I actually like that we don’t see the Blackwater massacre. I think the story stays a lot more interesting if there’s a mystery to it. Honestly, the only thing I really wanna know is whether or not Landon Ricketts was actually there.
Yeah, agree about Ricketts. It's strange that someone of his fame being part of it isn't at least mentioned, especially by John who was actually there. But it's said in RDR1 that he's *rumored* to have been there and he never said he was, so I personally think he wasn't really there and it's all just an Old West legend. IMO they shouldn't have made the Van der Linde gang part of the massacre and instead left the whole thing ambiguous.
Want RDR3 to be about Landon Ricketts and have a chapter that ties in to RDR2 with the Blackwater heist you could meet Arthur or Dutch in a mission obviously not John though.
@@Cyber_Smoke yeah that’s true since John doesn’t know him but I 100% agree. Personally, I want RDR3 to tell the story of all the gunslingers we saw in the gunslinger challenge like black Belle. Especially since both of the current red dead redemption games take place when the cowboy era is coming to a close so it would be really cool to finally have one that is set at the absolute peak of the old west. Or maybe during the actual Civil War. Can you imagine a mission that takes place during a full scale Civil War battle. Maybe even the battle of Bolger’s Glade!!! Goddamn, I just got myself all hyped up!!!!!!!!
I think not showing Blackwater actually benefits RDR2’s storytelling because it allows us to give Dutch the benefit of the doubt for the first half of the game.
@@Casshiotrue but the implications of a blackwater prologue implies that we, the audience wouldve been there to witness it also, denying us the benifit of the doubt
@@crolaa6137 True, but we only would've seen Arthurs side of things. The setup could be this: Introduction to the gang at a camp near Blackwater, including Jenny and the Calender Brothers, they are fairly likeable, you do one or two missions, you get to interact a bit with everyone, Dutch has a plan, Hosea has a plan too, Arthur goes with Hosea, they are in the middle of their scheme until everything suddenly turns to shit, you don't know why, you need to get the hell out of there, its chaos, Arthur and Hosea manage to meet up with the others, Dutch seems to know what happend, Micah and the others just stay very silent, but no one tells you thing, you can't really suspect anything, it's just a heist gone wrong, that's the way it goes, you manage to escape, but there were deaths, cue escape to the north. You'd really get to experience the confusion Arthur must've felt.
That would wreck the imagine of Dutch from the get go. Rockstar wanted to give him a clean slate. By introducing us as this inspiring figure in Colter, where he had his speech to uplift everyone. Instead of starting off as this rash and failing leader. @@Casshio
Guarma is INSANELY rushed for that reason it was Sopose to be a huge explorable region with a lot more added to the story. Also why we don’t have Mexico :(( if I’m being honest it in some ways seems like the entire game was rushed :/
The prologue being cut makes perfect sense with the evidence shown. It is always a shame when content is cut from games we love, but I trust Rockstar's judgment when it comes to this.
Trust with judgement when they sell shark cards, patching unharmful glitches and ruining game much more with more "patches" that breaks game more than before?
You bring up valid points and I think your theory is correct. I do not care how the game started, but it would have been cool to have these areas available for exploration later. The player could have tied the story to the locations themselves.
Agree, I hate having these mission-only areas, especially in OPEN world games, being locked to respective missions and not being open for exploratoin in any "legitimate" way
Just saying, the mission where you recue john from those wolves is actually outside of the map! You can see the path you take with Javier clearly from the map menu, and it cannot be accessed anymore after the mission
More evidence: 1) Pre-release screenshots & trailer footage that shows the gang in Great Plains & Blackwater 2) Story logic. There's Chapters 1-6 and an Epilogue, but oddly no Prologue? 3) Dialogue from Hosea in Chapter 2 states that "we had locations scouted out in New Austin (for a new camp)". This would likely have been a mission which introduces Arthur to NA, after which he could free roam in that area. Thus why he has specific drawings for POIs, Legendary Animals & Fish, and can complete A Test of Faith, all of which are inaccessible for him in the main game. 4) Narrative progression. The game revolves around the gang setting up, then having to flee due to being chased by Milton & the Pinkertons. This is for two reasons: the Blackwater Massacre, and Cornwall funding them after they rob his train in Chapter 1. Arthur wasn't involved in the Blackwater Ferry Heist and ensuing massacre but did come to help the gang when they were pinned down. Therefore, we can conclude that a Prologue chapter of the gang in Blackwater existed and would've let Arthur free roam in New Austin, then the massacre happens and the gang flee into the mountains, where the game starts as we know it.
Given the insane popularity of this game I'm genuinely surprised Rockstar didn't just throw together some half-assed 5 hour DLC and sell it for 30 bucks. They could have even done a DLC where you play as Sadie and Charles during the Guarma weeks. So sad how abandon this game was by Rockstar because of GTA Online. I subbed, great video. I have about the same view to sub rate as you even though I only have about 1/10th your Sub count.
From what I understand. They never planned to do single player DLC for RDR2. Not entirely sure why that was decided or when. I would assume it was early in the game's planning phase.
@@Lewis-jn8ry cause the era of dlcs for singleplayer games came to an end years ago (roger clark said that in an interview if im not wrong). rdr1 was probably one of the last games to have a dlc for the story mode.
That’s what you got. A directors cut doesn’t mean “extra stuff” it means the version as intended by the original creators. Afawk RDR2 as it is is just that
I think the way they opened with RDR2 taking place after the events was very smart and makes for a lot of mystery to set up the next Red Dead game. I know a lot of people want Rockstar to move away from the Van der Linde gang in the next Red Dead game, but personally I think one more entry with the gang, maybe showing some events building up to the Blackwater ferry job and finally showing how it went down would be a beautiful conclusion to the trilogy of the Van der Linde gang. By then, we'd basically know the fates of all the characters, have a surface-level understanding of all the major events in the most eventful part of the gang's history (1895-1899), all the stories would be concluded and there would be no more questions surrounding the gang still. In my eyes, I'd love for the story of RDR3 to be about some of the events we hear mentioned in RDR2, of course the infamous Blackwater Massacre, but others too like the snitch in the gang before Micah that Dutch kills in the camp, why Colm killed Annabelle and how Dutch killed Colm's brother, how Bessie died, and maybe we see how different characters entered the gang (which we know most of already, we just don't get to see it). Seeing the Van der Linde gang in the wild west would be so cool in my opinion, a group of outlaws and gunslingers in the criminal underbelly of outlaws and gunslingers is just too perfect to not get. Personally, I'd like the protagonist to once again be someone new, and a common suggestion I much agree with is Mac Callander, he's one of very few members of the gang we have no imagery of, but he's the brother of Davey Callander, the man who dies in the opening of RDR2. Almost all the gang members think of him fondly, and some stories show he was the best gunslinger in the gang, the scariest, but also one with a heart of gold described by Bill. Him or his brother Davey would honestly make for great protagonists in my opinion, and Rockstar could keep with the tradition of the protagonist dying in the end.
I agree I think we should start with Mac with the rise of the van der Lin gang up to blackwater that would be the perfect beginning/ ending of the red dead series
Could also play as the snitch. Loads of ways they could go with it tbf. Basically a brand new character they have to real limits for because all we know is that there was a snitch who got killed but we don't know how long he/she rode with the gang, how immersed they were, close with all the members etc. you could easily play as them and not know your the snitch until you die. Even then they were ambiguous enough with it where you don't know if they were really a snitch and if they were is that why Dutch is obsessed that the gang will turn on him and essentially calls people out on it from the beginning of game 2, like it had a massive effect on his mentality. Of course the Callander brothers would feature heavy, as would Jenny. Can have the rats of the gang there, including Arthur even if not majorly centred around them. How Micah joins the gang and all the other stuff you mentioned. So much story to tell so I'd be happy with one last installment. Even if they wanted blackwater to remain somewhat ambiguous still, you could do the bairn and switch so when the snitch dies you then play Arthur (like you do John in no2) where you get all the Blackwater plans in the build up but don't actually go to Blackwater. Just add more lore but leave it up to the gamers to decide what they will.
the callander brothers didn't have any redemption, even charles said that in the mission where you resque eagle flies from fort wallace. the games are called red dead "REDEMPTION" for a reason. the best idea for another prequel to the saga imo would be showing the beginning of the gang, with dutch, hosea, maybe annabelle and bessie, and giving and introduction in the gang to either arthur or john, all of them obviously accompanied by some other side characters, and obliously a different protagonist (no dutch hosea arthur or john shit, the game needs some form of redemption to be called "RED DEAD REDEMPTION", arthur and john had their games, dutch and hosea had no redemption). the ambientation of the game could really vary, from the far west as some of the van der linde gang members recall it, as maybe even blackwater, cause as we know from arthur's journal dutch and hosea have been there before arthur joined the gang (and we know that arthur was one of the first members).
It’s possible that Dutch sent some of the gunmen to use dynamite to cause rockslides to block off pursuit. I’ve been hoping for a Prologue: Blackwater with Mac Callander as the protagonist and restricted to West Elizabeth for a long time. Doesn’t look like it’ll be happening though
I never understand the idea of people wanting the next game to end at the Blackwater massacre. It makes no sense since RDR2 takes place probably a day or right after it. How tf would the epilogue work? People suggest you play as Arthur Morgan at the end but then it will just be RDR2, what? What about a game that takes place during the early days of the gang OR a new story that takes place during the peak of the Wild West.
Epilogue could literally be pro-prologue about THE early days or us playing as a Pinkerton agent trying to stop the gang throughout it's journey and cutting off at their escape with the avalanche
My theory is that in rdr3 we handle Davey Callender until he dies after the Blackwater robbery and then in the epilogue we handle Mac Callender who managed to survive thanks to someone's help, just like what happened in rdr1 when Bonie Macfarlane saves John Marston.
Well, to be fair, the response to the Siant Denis job is pretty big. They show up to the new camp with dozens of Pinkertons, and a maxim gun. Many of the story missions they treat Saint Denis like it's off limits, but they unfortunately have nowhere else to run. There's also the point that Dutch deliberately murdered an innocent woman in the Blackwater job, whereas in Saint Denis it was strictly against Pinkertons. I think that's the boundary that makes Blackwater worse.
It's possible that they found out about the hidden money and were trying to catch them when they try to go back for it. With Saint Denis they had no reason to return so sending men there to lock it down would be pointless.
rockstar is definitely saving the gangs true orgins when they met each other for rdr3 and it will end with the blackwater heist and them running into the grizzlies
@@pastorsleep maybe, or maybe Lenny who joined recently and was on the run already then you could be taken in by the gang. Honestly wish they would make episodes about all the characters, I would buy :p
Maybe we could see the massacre from Landon ricketts prospective as the epilogue then we see him escaping black water and going to Mexico. Overall I’m so excited to see how rdr3 will be!
@@LaxenLarssonthat’s why I think the protagonist should be Davey, the guy who dies in rdr2 intro cutscene. The game can end with him being shot during the heist. Which is already confirmed to be his cause of death.
The fact that they let a lot of the pre-lore outside the gaming experience makes me really wanna buy a book of some sort capable of explain how Van Der Linde was born until the Blackwater outbreak
To be honest I would have really liked this to be in game, but I know how today gamers are, they would cry the hell out because "the game is too slow" at the beginning, thing that already happens with the standard prologue
I only cry over "mission-only" locations still being a thing in open worlds. Why tf can't we visit and freely explore them in some legitimate way (even with just a simple "freeroam mode" button in Main Menu)
It’s incredible that RDR2 was even more ambitious than what was delivered. Imagine how it would’ve been if they had the time to complete it, no cut content
There is a whole section of the map you cant access called tempest rim near ambarino too. Im fairly certain there was supposed to be somethings that were to happen there but it was cut
Someone told me on a video that it was probably to leave Players in the dark , like Arthur In one of my playthroughs I walked around blackwater as John and you could kinda guess how it played out and were the ferry was
I dont care what other people say about the game being fine as is, having this additional backstory would have been amazing as the characters were interesting and well written. At the very least if it wasnt included in the base game as the prologue, it should have been introduced as a DLC in the form of a flashback or recounting, like with Arthur having a drink with Kieran and telling him how the gang got to where they were now.
i want a 10th aniverssary rdr2 directors cut edition or a prologue dlc, not showing the massacre but showing arthurs perspective of it, just imagine this: he was at camp, when suddently tons of gun fires could be heard then, he rushes to blackwater to see tf is happening and is met on the way by the gang, all beat up and sayin that they need to run asap, then we rush back to camp and has to defend it from the pinkertons while the gang pack up, then, finnaly, we start to escape and do the route mentione on the video oh also having the online content (outfits, guns) on story would be cool
I think they cut the prologue down to a quarter of its size due to pacing. It probably started right before those rocks that block the map as a cutscene and then either had a brief shootout or cutscene that had an avalanche. I don't think there would be any missions in the extended prologue, maybe just some light tutorials, or it could've been mostly cutscenes. But the first chapter is pretty drawn out and while it might be cool on the first time having it even longer would probably turn off most casual players trying to get into the game. I'd imagine the game starts out in the evening without a storm and after the avalanche the storm picks up and it gets dark.
idk what's cooler, you finding these landmarks and puzzling them together into an actual path that the gang would take, or the fact that rockstar added so many details as if they want you to explore outside the map
just west of emerald station and north of the train tracks is a farm that I get my ox & cow skins from. & Just north of that farm I think is what looks like the aftermath of a landslide. I'm not 💯 on that, I could be wrong.✌️
What i think wold be nice if there was a prologue, is if the player was playing as Davey, (the wounded/dead character you see in the opening cut scene) and storywise is the blackwater heist as the player (Davey) witness the masscre, the heist, the disapearence of Davey's brother Mac and then the esaping north, and Davey get shot some time before the storm. The player will see whats happening during the avalance and right after, then the you see Davey's eyes close and the screen turns to black and continues with the opening scene of the game. a short version of the story i have been thinking of a little while ^^"
The cut content prologue was probably the blackwater heist and it was likely because they felt it was too similar to the opening of GTAV which also opened with a heist gone wrong
It could be that the rocks blocking the way are the result of the gangs effort to slow down the pinkertons by blowing up the path with dynamite. The same explosion then triggered the avalanche. Who knows. :)
If a prologue existed, we still wouldn't see the ferry job. Arthur was with Hosea about to finish up an insurance scam (which was gonna be a lot of money apparently). Everyone else who was capable was on the ferry. I think it's in Arthur's journal and Hosea mentions it - the insurance scam would have been quiet, and a nice chunk of money (not near $150,000 like the ferry, but pretty good). So that would have been fun doing that with Hosea and scouting New Austin for camp sites.
Actually your theory isn't matching city area north in Grizzlies (town itself wasn't developed). And lots of middle developed areas in the Grizzlies, and interiors in Strawberry. So the more obvious 1st chapter scenario is: 1) the The game starts at the same place. 2) gang found some abandoned unpoliced town like Van Horn but in the mountains 3) meet O'Driscolls, fight with them 4) Arthur goes to rescue Micah, who got caught during the reconnaissance 5) train robbery. And some side missions. Also, train robbery in the 1st chapter should absorb the oil robbery, because it is pretty unmatched to chapter 2 vibes
I wish they released a Director's cut version of the game with cut content that alters a little bit of the story, and hopefully flesh out John's character to be a bit more like RDR1
I really hope RDR3 will become a prequel again set in the true Old West. By the end of the story the events of Blackwater and the great escape are shown tying the events to RDR2.
Never heard of a cut Prologue before, I like to think of myself as someone who keeps up with this. Alot of rumors I heard were people were asking where Dutch kept the Blackwater Riverfairy money was at the grave of his mother which you can find in Bkackwater cemetery... maybe that was apart of the Prologue to. If I remember correctly the money they got from the robbery was 140,000? The idea was that money would set the gang up for good. The funny thing is I donated to the camp funds over a million times with millions of dollars and we still never made it to Tahiti 😂😂😒.
always fascinating to see cut content like this but in my opinion i think this getting cut was for the better, it wouldve dragged on too long chapter 1 was already long enough
I just want to know where the gang were camped before the massacre. On one hand, they didn't really know the New Hanover/Lemoyne region, but going from New Austin into Blackwater seems risky. Also, John says he'd never been to New Austin. So either they were in Great Plains, in a region we can't explore, Mexico, or they were in New Austin and John has amnesia, which would go with the fact he didn't remember Heidi McCourt.
seems like theres so much cut content thats just outside the map. Theres a whole area of dead trees and black grass north of the map that looks halloween like.
I have no complaints with this cut content however wish they never cut the content that was supposed to be in Guarma and added more content in New Austin
It's similar to Hideo Kojima's Metal Gear phantom pain, it could be because both games like RDR2 and Phantom pain are meeting the Quotas so the result was it was a rushed game
People saying its good blackwater massacre went cut because of mystery but anything not seen always seems good in story telling. Imagine whole snow mountain prologue is cut and we are just told story of it in pieces, how we found sadie adler and john in mountains. I think original plan was starting in new austin where arthur interacts where john will be in rdr1, we will see mysteries like chlorea plague. We would have also seen already dead character in prologue chapter. Even if we play before blackwater massacre, as arthur we still wouldnt know what happened. Since arthur and hosea were planning to scam but micah tried to convince dutch to rob bank and it failed. We would only see it from auther's point of view suddenly getting attacked by pinkertons out of no where. That would be more effective start for a mystery.
Can you do a video talking about how we were supposed to have three playable characters. I totally believe we were supposed to play as Arthur, Sadie and Charles. Then towards the end of the game Arthur slot would have been replaced with John. It makes sense considering how the final mission American Venom played out.
I honestly wish we just knew what happened to Boedicea, did she die? Did she Run off? We never get confirmation, whilst we assume she got shot and passed away we never actually know for certain
just adding a few stuff of what I know or theories. btw good video. I like the fact that you mentioned the part of the map that happens in the opening scene is actually a hidden part. basically the map of RDR2 went through many many changes. the dev said it themselves that before the release the actually moved a lot of the mountains and whatnot for some reason. it can be seen from the trailer as well if im not mistaken. also from the data diggers lots of the beta maps have been found and this video does a fantastic job at showing them. ua-cam.com/video/3OEaK2tRpiM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BasementGamerBros im also guessing you either have or will make a video about Guarma as well since that places went through a bloody amount of cut content. if you look at the old maps of the game the snowy regions of the map is much larger than it is in the current game and it definitely also included the glacier cracks and the 3 lakes further down from it. even some of the loading screen images are either from the beta game or from the outer regions of the map and one in particular caught my attention which is a photo of those 6-7 trees at 5:53 above the frozen waterfall. on the image itself it has the word "thaw" written on it which could indicate something and I am somewhat convinced that this was probably the place where you could find the frozen Neanderthal. it does hurt that the area got cut so much considering how bloody detailed it is. a lot of people don't like the snow but for me thats the most fascinating part of the map. going through this website and looking at the concept arts shows how different the map was planned to be like Cumberland Forest being called Cumberland Falls and having snow BUT concept art is nothing too important because they are concepts. what is important is what is found within the game files rockstarintel.com/several-of-new-red-dead-redemption-2-concept-art-emerged-by-a-former-concept-artist/ yeah kind of a long read but I love these stuff for some reason. sad to see so much cut content. I've explored soooo many parts of the outter maps even gotten inside the glacier cracks using glitches.
it reminds me of zoopopia where we would have had a more hardcore story but it was scraped. stuff like this makes the originals lame when you realize they had a vision of a wider lens .
if they give the dev team enough time. if rdr2 wasn’t rushed and was released a couple years later it would’ve had all this cut content along with what they have now and it would’ve been even crazier
Blackwater massacre and history of the gang will be in RDR3. RDR1 talkt about the gang in de past. RDR2 was about that story... In RDR2 they talk about Blackwater and how they formt the gang. So RDR3 will be that story...
Makes me sad how much cut content rdr2 especially in the snow. There is so much done in the outside of the map that we dont see sadly , im sure they intended to use a lot of the map considering how well modeled it is.
Now this was just on the Internet don’t trust it fully. I don’t even trust it, but apparently you were supposed to be able to go into Canada and if you think about it where the game starts it’s outside of the border and if I’m correct, that’s where Canada is, so maybe the camp that was talked about a lot in concept, art was where you was supposed to stay and then admission were you’d have to go scout out and then you leave coulter and then a cussing place and then that’s when chapter 1 officially starts off that’s just a little theory on my own or how it would work if the Canada theory or if the content with Canada and the old camp in snowy mountains happened
Idk, i doubt that canada is right above the Map, i get the states are small due to game restrictions but i imagine there are a few more states between the map and Canada
Spoiler Alert. Mac Callander did not die in Blackwater Milton told lot of shit during RDR2 to manipulate Dutch's Gang. Thats why they Cut the Prologue they gonna use it as Epilogue beginning for Mac.
That would be kind of bad like imagine having just a ferry job as the final mission I think they should go back in time and make us play only as Dutch and Hosea and add a different final mission like taking a rival gang down and making the ferry job as a post credit scene forseshadowing the vanderlines gang downfall with the ferry job just like red 2 with the law looking for John
@@Kabeer-bq6xr I mean a lot happened in the backwater massacre and they can just add more details to it if needed it was a big deal that the characters kept bringing up but we barley knew what happened, and in terms of characters the theme of red dead is playing a character that that dies in the end hence the name, Dutch can’t redeem himself and makes no sense to be a protag, and in an epilogue we’d play as Arthur just as we played John in 2 cuz they’d be the next chronological protag
I'm pondering if they might do a prequel to red dead 2, show how the gang got together, have you play perhaps one of the characters that died on the way to colter, and show everything up through the blackwater job. I think that could be really cool, because you'd have a trilogy, just told backwards with successive releases. Younger hosea and dutch, seeing young arthur, the earliest days of the van der linde gang.
And that would be too complicated even if you yokels wanna play as a younger version of Arthur. Plus, what's the goddamn point of ending RDR3 right before Chapter 1? Because that just doesn't make sense that in (supposed RDR3) epilogue that all of Dutch's pawns got stuck at the mountain with no way else to advance other than freezing your nuts.
very interesting analysis but I also think this escape mission from the Pinkertons could have been too complex for starting the game, be in some sort of gun fight while riding your horse in the deep snowy mountain. this mission was very complicated with lots of quick time events and made Rockstar to completely scrap the whole idea. it was better and ideal for chapter 1 to be a slow burner and learning the basic mechanics of the game. how to shoot, take cover, lasso and use deadeye. anyways. my biggest gripe with the whole game is how unnecessary it was to include. New Austin in the game after you start playing as John in the epilogue. New Austin barely has any content. I would have preferred if Ambarino was instead much better developed. for example have an actual living town or settled with NPCs, general store, gunsmith, saloon, etc. apparently Tempest Rim was supposed to be a settlement, a living town up in the snowy mountains. that could have been amazing. Ambarino deserved better. to be and feel.mucj more alive than so isolated and empty of life. Ambarino is basically empty of any human activity. you only find wild animals there. nothing else. hell, if Colter was back into a living town in the epilogue when you start playing as John and even have a story mission there with Sadie, searching for Micah's goons in some saloon, that would have been amazing to see. how the time passes and some locations on the map truly transform and become different. the time gap from chapter 6 to epilogue is something like 7-8 years. enough time to drastically change some locations. like for example how Cornwall Kerosene & Tar or Wapiti Reservation become completely abandoned. Colter should have had the exact opposite effect. make Colter a living town again. with NPCs and shops, saloon, gunsmith, trapper, etc.
There is also a horse buried and only showing its leg at the avalanche if you notice carefully
could be Arthurs horse
@@amirgh7772 the avalanche probably have a connection to RDR2 beta
@@call777forkennedy dude I have a feeling people will still be discovering little secrets and Easter eggs in this game for a decade or more.
@@ryanswaynow yeah, there's a lot of mystery from this game that hasn't been solved too
@@ryanswaynowits crazy how detailed it is
I actually like that we don’t see the Blackwater massacre. I think the story stays a lot more interesting if there’s a mystery to it. Honestly, the only thing I really wanna know is whether or not Landon Ricketts was actually there.
Same
Yeah, agree about Ricketts. It's strange that someone of his fame being part of it isn't at least mentioned, especially by John who was actually there. But it's said in RDR1 that he's *rumored* to have been there and he never said he was, so I personally think he wasn't really there and it's all just an Old West legend.
IMO they shouldn't have made the Van der Linde gang part of the massacre and instead left the whole thing ambiguous.
Nah we need to play as mac before blackwater would reveal so much lore/ questions
Want RDR3 to be about Landon Ricketts and have a chapter that ties in to RDR2 with the Blackwater heist you could meet Arthur or Dutch in a mission obviously not John though.
@@Cyber_Smoke yeah that’s true since John doesn’t know him but I 100% agree. Personally, I want RDR3 to tell the story of all the gunslingers we saw in the gunslinger challenge like black Belle. Especially since both of the current red dead redemption games take place when the cowboy era is coming to a close so it would be really cool to finally have one that is set at the absolute peak of the old west. Or maybe during the actual Civil War. Can you imagine a mission that takes place during a full scale Civil War battle. Maybe even the battle of Bolger’s Glade!!! Goddamn, I just got myself all hyped up!!!!!!!!
Ahh, now that makes sense why Jenny was buried so far north of Colter .
Lenny mentions giving her a proper burial when you play five finger fillet in chapter 2
I think not showing Blackwater actually benefits RDR2’s storytelling because it allows us to give Dutch the benefit of the doubt for the first half of the game.
We still could have that since Arthur wasn't anywhere near Dutch. He did his own thing with Hosea.
@@Casshiotrue but the implications of a blackwater prologue implies that we, the audience wouldve been there to witness it also, denying us the benifit of the doubt
@@crolaa6137 True, but we only would've seen Arthurs side of things. The setup could be this:
Introduction to the gang at a camp near Blackwater, including Jenny and the Calender Brothers, they are fairly likeable, you do one or two missions, you get to interact a bit with everyone, Dutch has a plan, Hosea has a plan too, Arthur goes with Hosea, they are in the middle of their scheme until everything suddenly turns to shit, you don't know why, you need to get the hell out of there, its chaos, Arthur and Hosea manage to meet up with the others, Dutch seems to know what happend, Micah and the others just stay very silent, but no one tells you thing, you can't really suspect anything, it's just a heist gone wrong, that's the way it goes, you manage to escape, but there were deaths, cue escape to the north.
You'd really get to experience the confusion Arthur must've felt.
That would wreck the imagine of Dutch from the get go. Rockstar wanted to give him a clean slate. By introducing us as this inspiring figure in Colter, where he had his speech to uplift everyone. Instead of starting off as this rash and failing leader. @@Casshio
RDR2 sadly has a lot of cut content because Rockstar rushed to meet the October 2018 release date
Guarma is INSANELY rushed for that reason it was Sopose to be a huge explorable region with a lot more added to the story. Also why we don’t have Mexico :(( if I’m being honest it in some ways seems like the entire game was rushed :/
It was supposed to be released in 2017, then they restructured the map (it was originally bigger) and cut some missions to make the story flow better.
@@PassedcheckWhy do you want Mexico?
It was trash in original game.
It's souless and boring.
@@SeriousDragonify we are just discussing the games cut content and how it doesn’t really feel complete
Yep but in the other hand it probably saved us another 50 gb of storage lmao
The prologue being cut makes perfect sense with the evidence shown. It is always a shame when content is cut from games we love, but I trust Rockstar's judgment when it comes to this.
Still hate that New Austin had no content for Arthur, and the cut content of Guarma, and all the other cut content.
@@maazuponvelocity I agree
Trust with judgement when they sell shark cards, patching unharmful glitches and ruining game much more with more "patches" that breaks game more than before?
@@SeriousDragonify You bring up valid points.
@@SeriousDragonifyDifferent game and development team
You bring up valid points and I think your theory is correct. I do not care how the game started, but it would have been cool to have these areas available for exploration later. The player could have tied the story to the locations themselves.
Agree, I hate having these mission-only areas, especially in OPEN world games, being locked to respective missions and not being open for exploratoin in any "legitimate" way
Just saying, the mission where you recue john from those wolves is actually outside of the map! You can see the path you take with Javier clearly from the map menu, and it cannot be accessed anymore after the mission
More evidence:
1) Pre-release screenshots & trailer footage that shows the gang in Great Plains & Blackwater
2) Story logic. There's Chapters 1-6 and an Epilogue, but oddly no Prologue?
3) Dialogue from Hosea in Chapter 2 states that "we had locations scouted out in New Austin (for a new camp)". This would likely have been a mission which introduces Arthur to NA, after which he could free roam in that area. Thus why he has specific drawings for POIs, Legendary Animals & Fish, and can complete A Test of Faith, all of which are inaccessible for him in the main game.
4) Narrative progression. The game revolves around the gang setting up, then having to flee due to being chased by Milton & the Pinkertons. This is for two reasons: the Blackwater Massacre, and Cornwall funding them after they rob his train in Chapter 1. Arthur wasn't involved in the Blackwater Ferry Heist and ensuing massacre but did come to help the gang when they were pinned down.
Therefore, we can conclude that a Prologue chapter of the gang in Blackwater existed and would've let Arthur free roam in New Austin, then the massacre happens and the gang flee into the mountains, where the game starts as we know it.
Chapter 1 is like a prologue to me
Chapter 1 is like a prologue to me
Chapter 1 is like a prologue to me
Given the insane popularity of this game I'm genuinely surprised Rockstar didn't just throw together some half-assed 5 hour DLC and sell it for 30 bucks. They could have even done a DLC where you play as Sadie and Charles during the Guarma weeks. So sad how abandon this game was by Rockstar because of GTA Online.
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I think they should’ve invest more in sp RDR 2 and cut RDR 2 online completely, yet they probably thought it would be the same cash cow GTA online is.
From what I understand. They never planned to do single player DLC for RDR2. Not entirely sure why that was decided or when. I would assume it was early in the game's planning phase.
@@Lewis-jn8ry cause the era of dlcs for singleplayer games came to an end years ago (roger clark said that in an interview if im not wrong). rdr1 was probably one of the last games to have a dlc for the story mode.
@@lorenzoborri8760That’s just not true though, there are hundreds of games with sjngleplayer expansions
Rockstar was putting too much time into gta online and gta6. Which will likely get overshadowed by its multi-player counterpart
I want red dead redemption 2 directors cut✊
Me 2
We may get one in the 20th anniversary special edition
That’s what you got. A directors cut doesn’t mean “extra stuff” it means the version as intended by the original creators. Afawk RDR2 as it is is just that
I'm more than satisfied with the finished product.
I think the way they opened with RDR2 taking place after the events was very smart and makes for a lot of mystery to set up the next Red Dead game. I know a lot of people want Rockstar to move away from the Van der Linde gang in the next Red Dead game, but personally I think one more entry with the gang, maybe showing some events building up to the Blackwater ferry job and finally showing how it went down would be a beautiful conclusion to the trilogy of the Van der Linde gang. By then, we'd basically know the fates of all the characters, have a surface-level understanding of all the major events in the most eventful part of the gang's history (1895-1899), all the stories would be concluded and there would be no more questions surrounding the gang still. In my eyes, I'd love for the story of RDR3 to be about some of the events we hear mentioned in RDR2, of course the infamous Blackwater Massacre, but others too like the snitch in the gang before Micah that Dutch kills in the camp, why Colm killed Annabelle and how Dutch killed Colm's brother, how Bessie died, and maybe we see how different characters entered the gang (which we know most of already, we just don't get to see it). Seeing the Van der Linde gang in the wild west would be so cool in my opinion, a group of outlaws and gunslingers in the criminal underbelly of outlaws and gunslingers is just too perfect to not get. Personally, I'd like the protagonist to once again be someone new, and a common suggestion I much agree with is Mac Callander, he's one of very few members of the gang we have no imagery of, but he's the brother of Davey Callander, the man who dies in the opening of RDR2. Almost all the gang members think of him fondly, and some stories show he was the best gunslinger in the gang, the scariest, but also one with a heart of gold described by Bill. Him or his brother Davey would honestly make for great protagonists in my opinion, and Rockstar could keep with the tradition of the protagonist dying in the end.
I agree I think we should start with Mac with the rise of the van der Lin gang up to blackwater that would be the perfect beginning/ ending of the red dead series
Could also play as the snitch. Loads of ways they could go with it tbf. Basically a brand new character they have to real limits for because all we know is that there was a snitch who got killed but we don't know how long he/she rode with the gang, how immersed they were, close with all the members etc. you could easily play as them and not know your the snitch until you die. Even then they were ambiguous enough with it where you don't know if they were really a snitch and if they were is that why Dutch is obsessed that the gang will turn on him and essentially calls people out on it from the beginning of game 2, like it had a massive effect on his mentality.
Of course the Callander brothers would feature heavy, as would Jenny. Can have the rats of the gang there, including Arthur even if not majorly centred around them. How Micah joins the gang and all the other stuff you mentioned.
So much story to tell so I'd be happy with one last installment.
Even if they wanted blackwater to remain somewhat ambiguous still, you could do the bairn and switch so when the snitch dies you then play Arthur (like you do John in no2) where you get all the Blackwater plans in the build up but don't actually go to Blackwater. Just add more lore but leave it up to the gamers to decide what they will.
the callander brothers didn't have any redemption, even charles said that in the mission where you resque eagle flies from fort wallace. the games are called red dead "REDEMPTION" for a reason. the best idea for another prequel to the saga imo would be showing the beginning of the gang, with dutch, hosea, maybe annabelle and bessie, and giving and introduction in the gang to either arthur or john, all of them obviously accompanied by some other side characters, and obliously a different protagonist (no dutch hosea arthur or john shit, the game needs some form of redemption to be called "RED DEAD REDEMPTION", arthur and john had their games, dutch and hosea had no redemption). the ambientation of the game could really vary, from the far west as some of the van der linde gang members recall it, as maybe even blackwater, cause as we know from arthur's journal dutch and hosea have been there before arthur joined the gang (and we know that arthur was one of the first members).
It’s possible that Dutch sent some of the gunmen to use dynamite to cause rockslides to block off pursuit.
I’ve been hoping for a Prologue: Blackwater with Mac Callander as the protagonist and restricted to West Elizabeth for a long time. Doesn’t look like it’ll be happening though
I've thought about this, Would be really cool to see the Van der Linde gang form, with the game's big final mission being the famous blackwater heist.
I never understand the idea of people wanting the next game to end at the Blackwater massacre. It makes no sense since RDR2 takes place probably a day or right after it. How tf would the epilogue work?
People suggest you play as Arthur Morgan at the end but then it will just be RDR2, what? What about a game that takes place during the early days of the gang OR a new story that takes place during the peak of the Wild West.
Plot twist ..... you see mac , davey and jenny die then go back furthur in time to dutch and hosea founded the gang , young arthur, young john etc .
Epilogue could literally be pro-prologue about THE early days or us playing as a Pinkerton agent trying to stop the gang throughout it's journey and cutting off at their escape with the avalanche
@@BLET_55artem55no that’s a terrible idea lol
@@DeadX2 but an original one nonetheless
My theory is that in rdr3 we handle Davey Callender until he dies after the Blackwater robbery and then in the epilogue we handle Mac Callender who managed to survive thanks to someone's help, just like what happened in rdr1 when Bonie Macfarlane saves John Marston.
It would have been nice to have some dialogue From Davey Callander before he died at the start of chapter 1
I don't see how it could possibly have been worse than the saint denis bank job, yet you can go back to saint denis afterwards.
Saint Denis is bigger than Blackwater and it's 3 streets
Well, to be fair, the response to the Siant Denis job is pretty big. They show up to the new camp with dozens of Pinkertons, and a maxim gun. Many of the story missions they treat Saint Denis like it's off limits, but they unfortunately have nowhere else to run.
There's also the point that Dutch deliberately murdered an innocent woman in the Blackwater job, whereas in Saint Denis it was strictly against Pinkertons. I think that's the boundary that makes Blackwater worse.
It's possible that they found out about the hidden money and were trying to catch them when they try to go back for it. With Saint Denis they had no reason to return so sending men there to lock it down would be pointless.
Never knew those parts of the map existed mate, excellent analysis!
rockstar is definitely saving the gangs true orgins when they met each other for rdr3 and it will end with the blackwater heist and them running into the grizzlies
Maybe, kind of a boring ending, unless you play as a character who dies in blackwatter then arthur in the epilog
@LaxenLarsson yea i wouldnt wanna be arthur in that game till epilogue id wanna be dutch honestly he was the first until hosea came along
@@pastorsleep maybe, or maybe Lenny who joined recently and was on the run already then you could be taken in by the gang. Honestly wish they would make episodes about all the characters, I would buy :p
Maybe we could see the massacre from Landon ricketts prospective as the epilogue then we see him escaping black water and going to Mexico. Overall I’m so excited to see how rdr3 will be!
@@LaxenLarssonthat’s why I think the protagonist should be Davey, the guy who dies in rdr2 intro cutscene. The game can end with him being shot during the heist. Which is already confirmed to be his cause of death.
The fact that they let a lot of the pre-lore outside the gaming experience makes me really wanna buy a book of some sort capable of explain how Van Der Linde was born until the Blackwater outbreak
It would of been so dope to See the Black Water Massacre in The Game W Video Keep it up.
To be honest I would have really liked this to be in game, but I know how today gamers are, they would cry the hell out because "the game is too slow" at the beginning, thing that already happens with the standard prologue
Wow, you’re so cool and different. Can I get an autograph??
@@Angel-Otk nah
I only cry over "mission-only" locations still being a thing in open worlds. Why tf can't we visit and freely explore them in some legitimate way (even with just a simple "freeroam mode" button in Main Menu)
It is though lol it’s not crying just have the game be faster pace
@@DeadX2 ADHD
It’s incredible that RDR2 was even more ambitious than what was delivered. Imagine how it would’ve been if they had the time to complete it, no cut content
Thats y rockstar is the best. Goat
I LOVE the fact ur channel name is dedicated to a rdr2 mystery
I wonder if we were supposed to be John at first and then Arthur but the devs didn’t want to do that switcheroo?
Rdr1 has left the chat
There is a whole section of the map you cant access called tempest rim near ambarino too. Im fairly certain there was supposed to be somethings that were to happen there but it was cut
Someone told me on a video that it was probably to leave Players in the dark , like Arthur In one of my playthroughs I walked around blackwater as John and you could kinda guess how it played out and were the ferry was
I think that’s by design especially since like you said, Arthur wasn’t there to witness it unfold
I dont care what other people say about the game being fine as is, having this additional backstory would have been amazing as the characters were interesting and well written. At the very least if it wasnt included in the base game as the prologue, it should have been introduced as a DLC in the form of a flashback or recounting, like with Arthur having a drink with Kieran and telling him how the gang got to where they were now.
i want a 10th aniverssary rdr2 directors cut edition or a prologue dlc, not showing the massacre but showing arthurs perspective of it, just imagine this: he was at camp, when suddently tons of gun fires could be heard then, he rushes to blackwater to see tf is happening and is met on the way by the gang, all beat up and sayin that they need to run asap, then we rush back to camp and has to defend it from the pinkertons while the gang pack up, then, finnaly, we start to escape and do the route mentione on the video
oh also having the online content (outfits, guns) on story would be cool
I think they cut the prologue down to a quarter of its size due to pacing. It probably started right before those rocks that block the map as a cutscene and then either had a brief shootout or cutscene that had an avalanche. I don't think there would be any missions in the extended prologue, maybe just some light tutorials, or it could've been mostly cutscenes. But the first chapter is pretty drawn out and while it might be cool on the first time having it even longer would probably turn off most casual players trying to get into the game.
I'd imagine the game starts out in the evening without a storm and after the avalanche the storm picks up and it gets dark.
Micah also got sent to scout ahead and he found the adler ranch, as we know.
idk what's cooler, you finding these landmarks and puzzling them together into an actual path that the gang would take, or the fact that rockstar added so many details as if they want you to explore outside the map
just west of emerald station and north of the train tracks is a farm that I get my ox & cow skins from. & Just north of that farm I think is what looks like the aftermath of a landslide. I'm not 💯 on that, I could be wrong.✌️
What i think wold be nice if there was a prologue, is if the player was playing as Davey, (the wounded/dead character you see in the opening cut scene) and storywise is the blackwater heist as the player (Davey) witness the masscre, the heist, the disapearence of Davey's brother Mac and then the esaping north, and Davey get shot some time before the storm.
The player will see whats happening during the avalance and right after, then the you see Davey's eyes close and the screen turns to black and continues with the opening scene of the game.
a short version of the story i have been thinking of a little while ^^"
chapter 1 was supposed to be in tempest rim
The cut content prologue was probably the blackwater heist and it was likely because they felt it was too similar to the opening of GTAV which also opened with a heist gone wrong
It could be that the rocks blocking the way are the result of the gangs effort to slow down the pinkertons by blowing up the path with dynamite. The same explosion then triggered the avalanche. Who knows. :)
We wouldn't have seen the blackwater massacre, but the game would've likely opened near lake Isabella.
If a prologue existed, we still wouldn't see the ferry job. Arthur was with Hosea about to finish up an insurance scam (which was gonna be a lot of money apparently). Everyone else who was capable was on the ferry. I think it's in Arthur's journal and Hosea mentions it - the insurance scam would have been quiet, and a nice chunk of money (not near $150,000 like the ferry, but pretty good). So that would have been fun doing that with Hosea and scouting New Austin for camp sites.
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Actually your theory isn't matching city area north in Grizzlies (town itself wasn't developed). And lots of middle developed areas in the Grizzlies, and interiors in Strawberry. So the more obvious 1st chapter scenario is: 1) the The game starts at the same place. 2) gang found some abandoned unpoliced town like Van Horn but in the mountains 3) meet O'Driscolls, fight with them 4) Arthur goes to rescue Micah, who got caught during the reconnaissance 5) train robbery. And some side missions.
Also, train robbery in the 1st chapter should absorb the oil robbery, because it is pretty unmatched to chapter 2 vibes
I wish they released a Director's cut version of the game with cut content that alters a little bit of the story, and hopefully flesh out John's character to be a bit more like RDR1
Hah! You wish. Cockstar ain't the same Rockstar that made your favorite games no more. Go back to playin' GTA Online.
I really hope RDR3 will become a prequel again set in the true Old West. By the end of the story the events of Blackwater and the great escape are shown tying the events to RDR2.
Thank you for taking the time to go into so much detail 🙏
Never heard of a cut Prologue before, I like to think of myself as someone who keeps up with this. Alot of rumors I heard were people were asking where Dutch kept the Blackwater Riverfairy money was at the grave of his mother which you can find in Bkackwater cemetery... maybe that was apart of the Prologue to. If I remember correctly the money they got from the robbery was 140,000? The idea was that money would set the gang up for good. The funny thing is I donated to the camp funds over a million times with millions of dollars and we still never made it to Tahiti 😂😂😒.
Good job finding this, way smarter than i could have figured out
always fascinating to see cut content like this but in my opinion i think this getting cut was for the better, it wouldve dragged on too long chapter 1 was already long enough
Nice analysis… RDR2’s my fave game of all time.
I just want to know where the gang were camped before the massacre. On one hand, they didn't really know the New Hanover/Lemoyne region, but going from New Austin into Blackwater seems risky. Also, John says he'd never been to New Austin. So either they were in Great Plains, in a region we can't explore, Mexico, or they were in New Austin and John has amnesia, which would go with the fact he didn't remember Heidi McCourt.
Man i just hate how much got cut from this game. I would wish for a remaster/DLC epiloge
seems like theres so much cut content thats just outside the map. Theres a whole area of dead trees and black grass north of the map that looks halloween like.
That could have been undead nightmare😢
Starting stories in the middle of things, rather then the beginning, goes back to Homer. It makes it more interesting.
Basement gamer has made several videos about this, and the repositioning of some prologue locations. They completely cut tempest rim
Imagine RDO is still getting new big updates and RDO gets it's last big update featuring Blackwater Massacre.
I have no complaints with this cut content however wish they never cut the content that was supposed to be in Guarma and added more content in New Austin
It's similar to Hideo Kojima's Metal Gear phantom pain, it could be because both games like RDR2 and Phantom pain are meeting the Quotas so the result was it was a rushed game
As much as I would love more RDR2 content, chapter 1 feels perfect as the intro
People saying its good blackwater massacre went cut because of mystery but anything not seen always seems good in story telling. Imagine whole snow mountain prologue is cut and we are just told story of it in pieces, how we found sadie adler and john in mountains.
I think original plan was starting in new austin where arthur interacts where john will be in rdr1, we will see mysteries like chlorea plague. We would have also seen already dead character in prologue chapter.
Even if we play before blackwater massacre, as arthur we still wouldnt know what happened. Since arthur and hosea were planning to scam but micah tried to convince dutch to rob bank and it failed. We would only see it from auther's point of view suddenly getting attacked by pinkertons out of no where. That would be more effective start for a mystery.
in either the first trailer or 2nd, there is a scene where they are in black water
Can you do a video talking about how we were supposed to have three playable characters. I totally believe we were supposed to play as Arthur, Sadie and Charles. Then towards the end of the game Arthur slot would have been replaced with John. It makes sense considering how the final mission American Venom played out.
It's said that Arthur and Hosea had nothing to do with the Blackwater Massacre. They were doing another con while that happend.
I feel like the game could’ve started with the escape from black water, not the shooting though, straight into action you know what I mean
I feel like they went out of bounds somewhere before Ambarino
I just want a dlc showing us how Charles joined up
" Rockstar did this intentionally."
Rockstar: " Yeah!.... We sure did...."
I honestly wish we just knew what happened to Boedicea, did she die? Did she Run off? We never get confirmation, whilst we assume she got shot and passed away we never actually know for certain
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The missing prologue will probably be the ending scenes of RDR3
Imagine if it was Mary and Issac instead of Jenny and Davey in the beginning 😳
just adding a few stuff of what I know or theories. btw good video. I like the fact that you mentioned the part of the map that happens in the opening scene is actually a hidden part.
basically the map of RDR2 went through many many changes. the dev said it themselves that before the release the actually moved a lot of the mountains and whatnot for some reason. it can be seen from the trailer as well if im not mistaken. also from the data diggers lots of the beta maps have been found and this video does a fantastic job at showing them. ua-cam.com/video/3OEaK2tRpiM/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BasementGamerBros
im also guessing you either have or will make a video about Guarma as well since that places went through a bloody amount of cut content.
if you look at the old maps of the game the snowy regions of the map is much larger than it is in the current game and it definitely also included the glacier cracks and the 3 lakes further down from it. even some of the loading screen images are either from the beta game or from the outer regions of the map and one in particular caught my attention which is a photo of those 6-7 trees at 5:53 above the frozen waterfall. on the image itself it has the word "thaw" written on it which could indicate something and I am somewhat convinced that this was probably the place where you could find the frozen Neanderthal. it does hurt that the area got cut so much considering how bloody detailed it is. a lot of people don't like the snow but for me thats the most fascinating part of the map.
going through this website and looking at the concept arts shows how different the map was planned to be like Cumberland Forest being called Cumberland Falls and having snow BUT concept art is nothing too important because they are concepts. what is important is what is found within the game files rockstarintel.com/several-of-new-red-dead-redemption-2-concept-art-emerged-by-a-former-concept-artist/
yeah kind of a long read but I love these stuff for some reason. sad to see so much cut content. I've explored soooo many parts of the outter maps even gotten inside the glacier cracks using glitches.
this is amazing
it reminds me of zoopopia where we would have had a more hardcore story but it was scraped. stuff like this makes the originals lame when you realize they had a vision of a wider lens .
Red dead redemption 3 is gonna be wild
if they give the dev team enough time. if rdr2 wasn’t rushed and was released a couple years later it would’ve had all this cut content along with what they have now and it would’ve been even crazier
Blackwater massacre and history of the gang will be in RDR3.
RDR1 talkt about the gang in de past.
RDR2 was about that story...
In RDR2 they talk about Blackwater and how they formt the gang.
So RDR3 will be that story...
I would have liked to have seen Davey Mac and Jenny
Makes me sad how much cut content rdr2 especially in the snow. There is so much done in the outside of the map that we dont see sadly , im sure they intended to use a lot of the map considering how well modeled it is.
i swear if one day time travel one day is real I'll make this be implemented, and yes i believe in multiverse theory
I would have loved to see a Prologue. Imsgine seeing Arthur crying over his dead son 😊
That part could be saved for the rdr3
Now this was just on the Internet don’t trust it fully. I don’t even trust it, but apparently you were supposed to be able to go into Canada and if you think about it where the game starts it’s outside of the border and if I’m correct, that’s where Canada is, so maybe the camp that was talked about a lot in concept, art was where you was supposed to stay and then admission were you’d have to go scout out and then you leave coulter and then a cussing place and then that’s when chapter 1 officially starts off that’s just a little theory on my own or how it would work if the Canada theory or if the content with Canada and the old camp in snowy mountains happened
Idk, i doubt that canada is right above the
Map, i get the states are small due to game restrictions but i imagine there are a few more states between the map and Canada
Does nobody know that if you go to the start of Arthur’s journal they explain the black water heist.
Yes. But we don't see it and there aren't any details.
Spoiler Alert. Mac Callander did not die in Blackwater Milton told lot of shit during RDR2 to manipulate Dutch's Gang. Thats why they Cut the Prologue they gonna use it as Epilogue beginning for Mac.
Cuz they have the brilliant idea of making another prequel and the final mission will be black water and end on the mountains
That would be kind of bad like imagine having just a ferry job as the final mission I think they should go back in time and make us play only as Dutch and Hosea and add a different final mission like taking a rival gang down and making the ferry job as a post credit scene forseshadowing the vanderlines gang downfall with the ferry job just like red 2 with the law looking for John
@@Kabeer-bq6xr I mean a lot happened in the backwater massacre and they can just add more details to it if needed it was a big deal that the characters kept bringing up but we barley knew what happened, and in terms of characters the theme of red dead is playing a character that that dies in the end hence the name, Dutch can’t redeem himself and makes no sense to be a protag, and in an epilogue we’d play as Arthur just as we played John in 2 cuz they’d be the next chronological protag
Its going to be rdr3!!!!!
We keep going back in time in each game
neat video
Why they don't just release all of the stuff they dint have time or money to do, it would be a smash hit, cos ppl still play it
The reason why it cut is because it’s going to be in rdr3😯
The lack of effort in this video is mind boggling, this whole channel is A.I godamn are some people greedy
guys we need a prologue chapter mod
Just want me some rdr2 undead nightmare ffs
I'm pondering if they might do a prequel to red dead 2, show how the gang got together, have you play perhaps one of the characters that died on the way to colter, and show everything up through the blackwater job. I think that could be really cool, because you'd have a trilogy, just told backwards with successive releases. Younger hosea and dutch, seeing young arthur, the earliest days of the van der linde gang.
And that would be too complicated even if you yokels wanna play as a younger version of Arthur. Plus, what's the goddamn point of ending RDR3 right before Chapter 1? Because that just doesn't make sense that in (supposed RDR3) epilogue that all of Dutch's pawns got stuck at the mountain with no way else to advance other than freezing your nuts.
They really need a current gen update. This game runs like shit compared to damn near every other game.
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very interesting analysis but I also think this escape mission from the Pinkertons could have been too complex for starting the game, be in some sort of gun fight while riding your horse in the deep snowy mountain.
this mission was very complicated with lots of quick time events and made Rockstar to completely scrap the whole idea.
it was better and ideal for chapter 1 to be a slow burner and learning the basic mechanics of the game.
how to shoot, take cover, lasso and use deadeye.
anyways. my biggest gripe with the whole game is how unnecessary it was to include. New Austin in the game after you start playing as John in the epilogue.
New Austin barely has any content.
I would have preferred if Ambarino was instead much better developed. for example have an actual living town or settled with NPCs, general store, gunsmith, saloon, etc.
apparently Tempest Rim was supposed to be a settlement, a living town up in the snowy mountains. that could have been amazing.
Ambarino deserved better. to be and feel.mucj more alive than so isolated and empty of life.
Ambarino is basically empty of any human activity. you only find wild animals there. nothing else.
hell, if Colter was back into a living town in the epilogue when you start playing as John and even have a story mission there with Sadie, searching for Micah's goons in some saloon, that would have been amazing to see.
how the time passes and some locations on the map truly transform and become different.
the time gap from chapter 6 to epilogue is something like 7-8 years. enough time to drastically change some locations.
like for example how Cornwall Kerosene & Tar or Wapiti Reservation become completely abandoned.
Colter should have had the exact opposite effect. make Colter a living town again. with NPCs and shops, saloon, gunsmith, trapper, etc.
I wish we could of done the blackwater heist and see it all play out with our own eyes