I drive a Civic, and I'm more of a grip driver, but I like chucking it through a corner sideways a bit. It's not fast, but it's certainly fun, and that's the important thing.
Thank you Peugeot, Renault and Citroen for introducing your torsion beam rear axle and thus allowing millions of people on the planet to have fun in FWD vehicles.
exactly why I was actually pleased to discover that my VW Golf TDI here in NA has a torsion beam rather than IRS and it feels like it wants to rotate more. I love it. edit: N/A changed to NA as to not confuse Naturally Aspirated with North America.
Chris Harris! In nappies! Top tip: just put old hard tyres on the rear and you'll get a bit of action from your FWD. It'll swing around like an old Beemer...
Used to have a DC2 Integra myself a few years back and although fun it wasn't as entertaining as a RWD car. Started out in Mini's and had many on and off for years. But my second car was a Mazda RX3 and once I'd owned this and got used to RWD I never really liked FWD any more. After moving on to Mk2 Escorts, then Colt Lancer turbos for many years, I now enjoy the fun and simplicity of a MK1 MX5 - absolutely love it to bits and it only cost me £600. I'd thoroughly recommend one.
I attempted to use the handbrake method in my 06 Megane 1.4...and was greeted with a 'ping' from the dash with actually wouldn't allow me to apply the handbrake!!!!! What fuckery!
I seem to remember it worked fine in an Enterprice rental 1.5dCi circa '04 - the big-bum Megane with the aircraft style handbrake. I don't see how it could interfere with the manual cable of the handbrake?
yeah when you get liftoff oversteer the front end is travelling a shorter distance than the rear so speeding up the front will pull it straight. just like backing off in a rear wheel drive will make the car straighten up. its basic physics.
i thought when the car is sliding sideways, u need to be in throttle in both fwd and rwd so as the rear grips again and you exit that way. also in both cars u need to countersteer right?
I remember driving the socks of our Citroen Grand Picasso (Diesel!) on French country roads. Every decent corner was lift-off-oversteer candidates :-) That's how you make progress with a Picasso!
Good to hear... I really hope you still scare people at roundabouts with it. I was 50/50 buying my car.... I nearly went for an e39 M5. It's an almost diametrically opposed car to mine, except for the fact that it's quick and fun. My dream car is a Lancia 037. After that, something possibly faster and better, but less good, like a Lancer VI perhaps. Actually, that'll probably be my next car.
In most cases, this is true. However, I currently own an Integra type R, which you can get sideways almost at will. I used to drive a second generation MR2 and a BMW 1 series (and also an opel Manta when I was young). Getting stuff sideways has almost been the point of lots of my cars. I also used to own a couple of minis. If you didn't know about lift off oversteer with them, you didn't know how to drive them. The same is true with my Integra.
You are right. For the record, I own a multilink FWD, a VW Scirocco, and this car is very fun to drive round corners because it has a quite reactive rear axle. Pity that the ESP canot be fully deactivated and tries to correct the car acctitude once passed a certain angle, but as with an Integra R, you can turn 180º in a roundabout with the car in a constant tendency to a light oversteer, and this is really satifactory
@uditha01 I definately agree, I can do this even in my dad's minivan (Volvo 40 series chassis, multi link at the back) but generally the French-type torsion beam (not the shit used by *some* manufacturers in their small cars) is the first thing to spring to mind.
Comments about fwd eating sh*t just show a fundamental lack of knowledge or deliberate ignoring of facts. Compare everyday rwd drive cars of the 60s, 70s and 80s with today's fwd equivalents and see how they compare dynamically. The original mini proved the point... fwd can be fun, can be fast and has as many advantages as it has disadvantages. Rwd does not automatically confer some sort of magic ingredient that makes everything better and faster. As for calling drivers "muppets" , well that just shows the lack of respect for other road users. Your assumed superiority over the rest of us is laughable. And yes, I've had lots of fun in both fwd and rwd, but I'm not as narrow minded as some.
But, your points aside. A RWD vehicle is better than a FWD vehicle. Same engine and chassis RWD would be more fun and post better lap times all day. I didn't call anyone muppets, and am aware that FWD isn't all bad, But I firmly believe RWD is inherently better than FWD for an enthusiasts or track cars.
flavourboss The ONLY issue with a RWD car is that it inherently is more expensive (which to someone like me, who live in a very car-unfriendly country like Denmark with its 180% car tax). A RWD car while being fun is often so much more expensive that the price alone is a dealbreaker for me, so my only options would be a fun FWD car.
MrFalconfly Well my friend I am sorry that in Denmark you cant afford a RWD car. Other people seem to be able to though, there is a huge scene there no? I personally know a guy over there who has v8 swapped e30. No one seems to just agree my point RWD is better is valid and they, like you throw up individualised arguments like 'I don't have enough money' or 'my country sucks with cars'. (even though thousands of people have RWD cars that they actively mod in Denmark) I can understand enthusiasts defending with FWD cars themselves as they might see my point as an attack. But in reality all I have said is RWD is better than FWD. Am I wrong. I understand in some instances people cant afford a car so realistically it's unfeasible. But in general RWD is a better option.
I always use the hand brake to drift w honda civic, it may be dangerous for the car but it's rewarding, it's just like how you initiate a rwd drift only you keep the kand brake up and use the throttle
Fiestas are sooooo good for this. Just about to sell my 2011 80hp 1.2 fiesta but it was a blast and lift off oversteer is so much fun! Especially good around a roundabout 😳😳🤔🤔
Think I’ll try that this winter, I’ve only done FWD “drift” by pulling my e brake on corner entry on snow covered roads, I think trying to do that on dry pavement wound just tear the car up unnecessary. 06 vibe 1zz with upgraded rear sway bar.
Surely he means that it's called oversteer because THE CAR 'over'steers not YOU (THE DRIVER) just the same as understeer means that THE CAR 'under'steers (the car doesn't steer as much as you've asked it to by turning the whhel because the front tyres can't get enough traction) no?
No, because you will overload the front tires. Front tires have maximum amount of group available, and while cornering fast, ideally you will be using of all the grip on turning. If you try to put even more weight on them and ask them to brake as well, you will have severe understeer. Left-foot braking in a corner is a technique, but definitely do not stomp on the brakes mid-corner.
You never "stomp on the breaks into a corner" you break hard just before a corner and as you are entering you have your foot on the accelerator to put down power and your left foot on the brake lightly applying pressure, this makes sure there is no sudden loss of traction due to a massive shift in weight and as you are exiting you fully disengage your brake and hammer on the power with the other foot to claw out of the corner as fast as possible...what I have explained is really difficult to illustrate through words, the technique is known as left foot braking
@@DinoHunter56 scandanavian flick? also god bless chrysler for making the pt cruiser able to handle tight corners at 35-40+mph, zoned out really bad and forgot to how tight it was and i could hear the tires squealing, after i got around the corner i fish tailed a tad bit but took it like a damn rally racer, lots of respect for that car. all i can remember was pressing my brakes gradually and death gripping the wheel and it turned out ok, if i would have done that in my wrx i actually don't know if i would have pulled that off,, proabbly idk
my GTI used to occasionally go a little sideways when I took a corner hard it's when it happened at like 90 that I got scared, the car followed the racing line but at the entry I guess I swung it too hard because it went like SKRRRRRRRT and then I was straight again. traction control saved my life and I'm not even ashamed of it lol getting this effect on a hairpin is fun, but getting sideways at like 90-100 on an on ramp will make you shit a brick (it was an on ramp from one highway to another intersecting highway, a really high speed corner) I smoked the guy trying to race me tho don't actively try to do this on the street either, all the times it happened to me were not on purpose. it just sorta happens. when you start getting lift off oversteer in a fwd car you're probably at or close to the limit
you can also get lift off oversteer if you are an idiot and hoon your car to show off and you start getting out of shape and to lift off the gas in a panic
My new Camry TRD has an electric "handbrake" and in its current state it cannot be used for anything but parking. I've heard of modifications to make it behave like a real one
to be honest, as long as your car isnt a wallowing soft suspension car this is easy. I learnt it by accident driving my mums 1.7 DIESAL vauxhall/opel astra, the MK5 version, with not a single modification. It all works on how stiff the chassis and suspension is, and engine breaking. Also a tiny bit of breaking is needed for the likes of a Clio, just to shift weight forward.
@@acarguy3773 9 year old comment lol, that was my first year of driving. Safe to say I didn't have a clue. While that astra quite happily did it, I haven't driven much since that made it so easy.
you dont even have to have a 'hot hatch' to have fwd fun. my 99 1.6l nissan pulsar is the slowest and cheapest car I've owned. It is the cars later quality that enables me to give in to my childish temptations. Wet weather (or dry), rip that e-brake, quickly correct and then peel the wheel back straight and hammer the gas....nothing gives me an adrenaline rush like it, especially when it all comes together like beautiful choreography. My plans are to move up to a more powerful rwd/awd once im off my Australian P-Plates, i tell you what though, i will miss the lure of a cheap and beatable fwd :)
InDmand lol god this is old. yeah got my first fine in the first week of fulls, had a pretty good run i guess hah. 25 over, 1 month suspension, which honestly is fuck all inconvenience, just fucks with your insurance which sucks. if i'd copped it a week earlier i'd probably have wanted to neck myself haha
Slower cars are better for learning how to drive faster. They force you to use everything the car has and all your skill and concentration. When I had an '01 Volvo S60, even though it had back pressure issues and hardly had 160hp, I could keep up with turbo diesel trucks with more than 3 times as much power as me.
R Schwabe Exactly. If the car isn't responding to the steering input, and you have a lot of forward momentum, it's going to slide. As AESCULAPTORmark3 said below me, it isn't turning enough into the corner. Besides, I think you'll find a few ARDS instructors would disagree with that statement too...
@Mpayne lol, did the same in a Honda Civic, was like, "wtf, FWD do not drift, this is ridanculous" But apparently they do if you know what you're at.... or do it by accident :P
The term over-steer means that in a rear end slide the front end of the car turns in to the corner more than is normal. Same as with under steer, the front end of the car is not turning into the corner enough. Neither term describes anything to do with the steering wheel itself. Isn't Chris saying that the term is relating to the action of adding lots of opposite lock. That's wrong, because when you get under steer you are actually still turning the wheel a lot, into the corner. Anyway, the term relates to the cars angle in relation to the corner its travelling around. Not the steering wheel itself. Chris should learn that shit if he wants to avoid excessive solid object interfacing.
No, if you crack the sound right up (in windows or whatever) it's fine. Well, I wouldnt call it fine but the sound is there. The reason is simply just bad editing by Drivers Republic, it has nothing to do with my rip.
Probably over 60km/h in the dry, i've done it at lower speeds (~40) but the car straightens up almost instantly. I'd say hes going at least 80 in this vid. I am by no means any good at this btw. You can lift off in the wet alot slower but don't expect big mad slides.
Depends on the corner. Basically the faster the better. I can do it at cca 50 km/h in one of my favorite corners, but I prefers the ones that are 80-120 km/h at least. Basically third gear corners :)
unless you're in the snow, then you're fucked. FWD (and of course AWD) run circles around RWD in non-ideal road conditions.... just sayin. Unless you're considering actual track time on your daily driver... don't listen to this idiot. seriously dude, 6 years later and I still want to kick your teeth out for being that stupid.
I drive a Civic, and I'm more of a grip driver, but I like chucking it through a corner sideways a bit. It's not fast, but it's certainly fun, and that's the important thing.
Thank you Peugeot, Renault and Citroen for introducing your torsion beam rear axle and thus allowing millions of people on the planet to have fun in FWD vehicles.
... And crash them 😂
exactly why I was actually pleased to discover that my VW Golf TDI here in NA has a torsion beam rather than IRS and it feels like it wants to rotate more. I love it.
edit: N/A changed to NA as to not confuse Naturally Aspirated with North America.
Chris Harris! In nappies!
Top tip: just put old hard tyres on the rear and you'll get a bit of action from your FWD. It'll swing around like an old Beemer...
Used to have a DC2 Integra myself a few years back and although fun it wasn't as entertaining as a RWD car. Started out in Mini's and had many on and off for years. But my second car was a Mazda RX3 and once I'd owned this and got used to RWD I never really liked FWD any more. After moving on to Mk2 Escorts, then Colt Lancer turbos for many years, I now enjoy the fun and simplicity of a MK1 MX5 - absolutely love it to bits and it only cost me £600. I'd thoroughly recommend one.
Need one of these but where it show steering wheel handling, the footwork, and external view
God bless the Finnish
I attempted to use the handbrake method in my 06 Megane 1.4...and was greeted with a 'ping' from the dash with actually wouldn't allow me to apply the handbrake!!!!! What fuckery!
I turn off traction control so it can't bitch at me in my MKV gti
I seem to remember it worked fine in an Enterprice rental 1.5dCi circa '04 - the big-bum Megane with the aircraft style handbrake. I don't see how it could interfere with the manual cable of the handbrake?
yeah when you get liftoff oversteer the front end is travelling a shorter distance than the rear so speeding up the front will pull it straight. just like backing off in a rear wheel drive will make the car straighten up. its basic physics.
i thought when the car is sliding sideways, u need to be in throttle in both fwd and rwd so as the rear grips again and you exit that way. also in both cars u need to countersteer right?
5:05 what i imagine my drift/jizz/oversteer face looks like
lmao
OG Chris Harris!!!
I remember driving the socks of our Citroen Grand Picasso (Diesel!) on French country roads. Every decent corner was lift-off-oversteer candidates :-) That's how you make progress with a Picasso!
Good to hear... I really hope you still scare people at roundabouts with it.
I was 50/50 buying my car.... I nearly went for an e39 M5. It's an almost diametrically opposed car to mine, except for the fact that it's quick and fun.
My dream car is a Lancia 037. After that, something possibly faster and better, but less good, like a Lancer VI perhaps. Actually, that'll probably be my next car.
This has convinced me to get a 205 gti.
Let the fun commence!
Ah yes, I used to have this on VHS back in 95.
Streaming wasnt the best quality back in 2008-2009.. :)
In most cases, this is true. However, I currently own an Integra type R, which you can get sideways almost at will.
I used to drive a second generation MR2 and a BMW 1 series (and also an opel Manta when I was young). Getting stuff sideways has almost been the point of lots of my cars.
I also used to own a couple of minis. If you didn't know about lift off oversteer with them, you didn't know how to drive them.
The same is true with my Integra.
You are right. For the record, I own a multilink FWD, a VW Scirocco, and this car is very fun to drive round corners because it has a quite reactive rear axle. Pity that the ESP canot be fully deactivated and tries to correct the car acctitude once passed a certain angle, but as with an Integra R, you can turn 180º in a roundabout with the car in a constant tendency to a light oversteer, and this is really satifactory
What do you exactly mean by 'reactive rear axle'?
@uditha01 I definately agree, I can do this even in my dad's minivan (Volvo 40 series chassis, multi link at the back) but generally the French-type torsion beam (not the shit used by *some* manufacturers in their small cars) is the first thing to spring to mind.
Chris is one of the best reviewers of cars, and great teacher in driving !
Comments about fwd eating sh*t just show a fundamental lack of knowledge or deliberate ignoring of facts. Compare everyday rwd drive cars of the 60s, 70s and 80s with today's fwd equivalents and see how they compare dynamically. The original mini proved the point... fwd can be fun, can be fast and has as many advantages as it has disadvantages. Rwd does not automatically confer some sort of magic ingredient that makes everything better and faster. As for calling drivers "muppets" , well that just shows the lack of respect for other road users. Your assumed superiority over the rest of us is laughable. And yes, I've had lots of fun in both fwd and rwd, but I'm not as narrow minded as some.
But, your points aside.
A RWD vehicle is better than a FWD vehicle.
Same engine and chassis RWD would be more fun and post better lap times all day.
I didn't call anyone muppets, and am aware that FWD isn't all bad,
But I firmly believe RWD is inherently better than FWD for an enthusiasts or track cars.
flavourboss The ONLY issue with a RWD car is that it inherently is more expensive (which to someone like me, who live in a very car-unfriendly country like Denmark with its 180% car tax).
A RWD car while being fun is often so much more expensive that the price alone is a dealbreaker for me, so my only options would be a fun FWD car.
How is it more expensive?
flavourboss
The price is higher, that's how.
MrFalconfly Well my friend I am sorry that in Denmark you cant afford a RWD car.
Other people seem to be able to though, there is a huge scene there no?
I personally know a guy over there who has v8 swapped e30.
No one seems to just agree my point RWD is better is valid and they, like you throw up individualised arguments like 'I don't have enough money' or 'my country sucks with cars'.
(even though thousands of people have RWD cars that they actively mod in Denmark)
I can understand enthusiasts defending with FWD cars themselves as they might see my point as an attack.
But in reality all I have said is
RWD is better than FWD.
Am I wrong.
I understand in some instances people cant afford a car so realistically it's unfeasible.
But in general RWD is a better option.
I always use the hand brake to drift w honda civic, it may be dangerous for the car but it's rewarding, it's just like how you initiate a rwd drift only you keep the kand brake up and use the throttle
and now he becomes lead presenter of top gear!!
@Sensekhmet Would having fully independent rear suspension make it a little more difficult to oversteer?
Did this by accident in my MK8 Fiesta last night, had to make sense of the whole situation 😂
Fiestas are sooooo good for this. Just about to sell my 2011 80hp 1.2 fiesta but it was a blast and lift off oversteer is so much fun! Especially good around a roundabout 😳😳🤔🤔
@DarkDragon9275 Civics and old CRXs are light on the back end too so that will make it quite easy for it to oversteer :P
Classic Mini, Falkens, Wet Roundabout = Fun.
Brought to you in finest 30P.
Think I’ll try that this winter, I’ve only done FWD “drift” by pulling my e brake on corner entry on snow covered roads, I think trying to do that on dry pavement wound just tear the car up unnecessary. 06 vibe 1zz with upgraded rear sway bar.
@Mpayne I know, lol, crazy. lotsa fun though, now I can do it on purpose :P
Surely he means that it's called oversteer because THE CAR 'over'steers not YOU (THE DRIVER) just the same as understeer means that THE CAR 'under'steers (the car doesn't steer as much as you've asked it to by turning the whhel because the front tyres can't get enough traction) no?
What about the technique where you stomp on the brakes into a corner to transfer grip to the front?
No, because you will overload the front tires. Front tires have maximum amount of group available, and while cornering fast, ideally you will be using of all the grip on turning. If you try to put even more weight on them and ask them to brake as well, you will have severe understeer. Left-foot braking in a corner is a technique, but definitely do not stomp on the brakes mid-corner.
You never "stomp on the breaks into a corner" you break hard just before a corner and as you are entering you have your foot on the accelerator to put down power and your left foot on the brake lightly applying pressure, this makes sure there is no sudden loss of traction due to a massive shift in weight and as you are exiting you fully disengage your brake and hammer on the power with the other foot to claw out of the corner as fast as possible...what I have explained is really difficult to illustrate through words, the technique is known as left foot braking
KwRc Balkan Power thank you brother
KwRc Balkan Power is this the same for a mid engine car?
Weight is about on the rear axle, so why not transfer that to the front into a corner?
@@DinoHunter56 scandanavian flick?
also god bless chrysler for making the pt cruiser able to handle tight corners at 35-40+mph, zoned out really bad and forgot to how tight it was and i could hear the tires squealing, after i got around the corner i fish tailed a tad bit but took it like a damn rally racer, lots of respect for that car.
all i can remember was pressing my brakes gradually and death gripping the wheel and it turned out ok, if i would have done that in my wrx i actually don't know if i would have pulled that off,, proabbly idk
my renault 19 16v chamade is bosssy at the lift off ;)
my GTI used to occasionally go a little sideways when I took a corner hard
it's when it happened at like 90 that I got scared, the car followed the racing line but at the entry I guess I swung it too hard because it went like SKRRRRRRRT and then I was straight again. traction control saved my life and I'm not even ashamed of it lol
getting this effect on a hairpin is fun, but getting sideways at like 90-100 on an on ramp will make you shit a brick
(it was an on ramp from one highway to another intersecting highway, a really high speed corner)
I smoked the guy trying to race me tho
don't actively try to do this on the street either, all the times it happened to me were not on purpose. it just sorta happens.
when you start getting lift off oversteer in a fwd car you're probably at or close to the limit
naughty boy! still awd or rwd for me.
you can also get lift off oversteer if you are an idiot and hoon your car to show off and you start getting out of shape and to lift off the gas in a panic
holy shit chris harris youngin
@Sensekhmet Renault in first place..they make the best FWD cars in the world
My new Camry TRD has an electric "handbrake" and in its current state it cannot be used for anything but parking. I've heard of modifications to make it behave like a real one
to be honest, as long as your car isnt a wallowing soft suspension car this is easy. I learnt it by accident driving my mums 1.7 DIESAL vauxhall/opel astra, the MK5 version, with not a single modification. It all works on how stiff the chassis and suspension is, and engine breaking. Also a tiny bit of breaking is needed for the likes of a Clio, just to shift weight forward.
Works just as well in soft cars, the weight transfer is more pronounced, they're just a little less predictable.
@@acarguy3773 9 year old comment lol, that was my first year of driving. Safe to say I didn't have a clue. While that astra quite happily did it, I haven't driven much since that made it so easy.
@@JOCOracing haha fair enough
Can't wait to get a rear anti-roll bar and some lower springs so I can abbuse the shit out of my car.
Ok, so how it's going?
@@Diftonez I've had 5 cars since lol
you dont even have to have a 'hot hatch' to have fwd fun. my 99 1.6l nissan pulsar is the slowest and cheapest car I've owned. It is the cars later quality that enables me to give in to my childish temptations. Wet weather (or dry), rip that e-brake, quickly correct and then peel the wheel back straight and hammer the gas....nothing gives me an adrenaline rush like it, especially when it all comes together like beautiful choreography. My plans are to move up to a more powerful rwd/awd once im off my Australian P-Plates, i tell you what though, i will miss the lure of a cheap and beatable fwd :)
Hope you made it off your Ps mate! I feel ya but, i get tempted every time i see a big wet empty roundabout.
InDmand lol god this is old. yeah got my first fine in the first week of fulls, had a pretty good run i guess hah.
25 over, 1 month suspension, which honestly is fuck all inconvenience, just fucks with your insurance which sucks. if i'd copped it a week earlier i'd probably have wanted to neck myself haha
lol i have 2.5 years of P plate bs left.. kill me
Slower cars are better for learning how to drive faster. They force you to use everything the car has and all your skill and concentration. When I had an '01 Volvo S60, even though it had back pressure issues and hardly had 160hp, I could keep up with turbo diesel trucks with more than 3 times as much power as me.
thanks for the info. For a FWD wouldn't a larger rear sway bar help for oversteer or no...???
@Mpayne join the club :) "luckily" for me, a police car was around, which granted me a little interview :D
2023 gang
@D7SUP, understeer = front end slides out, oversteer = back end slides out
.... what? No.
Understeer: Car does not respond to normal levels of steering input.
Oversteering: Car over responds to steering input.
R Schwabe Exactly. If the car isn't responding to the steering input, and you have a lot of forward momentum, it's going to slide. As AESCULAPTORmark3 said below me, it isn't turning enough into the corner. Besides, I think you'll find a few ARDS instructors would disagree with that statement too...
@Mpayne lol, did the same in a Honda Civic, was like, "wtf, FWD do not drift, this is ridanculous" But apparently they do if you know what you're at.... or do it by accident :P
The term over-steer means that in a rear end slide the front end of the car turns in to the corner more than is normal. Same as with under steer, the front end of the car is not turning into the corner enough. Neither term describes anything to do with the steering wheel itself. Isn't Chris saying that the term is relating to the action of adding lots of opposite lock. That's wrong, because when you get under steer you are actually still turning the wheel a lot, into the corner.
Anyway, the term relates to the cars angle in relation to the corner its travelling around. Not the steering wheel itself.
Chris should learn that shit if he wants to avoid excessive solid object interfacing.
Any videos of the Finnish bros hes referring to
@lionpress999 elaborate
hello i couldnt hear the last bit????
I accidently did that round a corner and shat myself! XD
sound at 5:25+??
Chris Harris Of Top Gear
he looks like that actor from french comedy taxi taxi
LOL 205 gti levels of oversteer - i hear that
is this baby chris harris?
@Gauntletbloggs flawed
he forgot to release the handbrake on the second try....hehe
fuck this guy can drive
No, if you crack the sound right up (in windows or whatever) it's fine. Well, I wouldnt call it fine but the sound is there.
The reason is simply just bad editing by Drivers Republic, it has nothing to do with my rip.
tribes of Finnish, lol
how fast do you need to go to get the life off oversteer?
Probably over 60km/h in the dry, i've done it at lower speeds (~40) but the car straightens up almost instantly. I'd say hes going at least 80 in this vid.
I am by no means any good at this btw.
You can lift off in the wet alot slower but don't expect big mad slides.
Depends on the corner. Basically the faster the better. I can do it at cca 50 km/h in one of my favorite corners, but I prefers the ones that are 80-120 km/h at least. Basically third gear corners :)
Accidentally did a short skid above 60 kph on dry asphalt, so about right.
2:13
kansei dorifto
Lol at 5:05
but theres allways the risk of flipping over with FWD DRIFTING
In answer to the initial question - just don't bother with a FWD car, buy a RWD car, it's far more satisfying.
unless you're in the snow, then you're fucked. FWD (and of course AWD) run circles around RWD in non-ideal road conditions.... just sayin. Unless you're considering actual track time on your daily driver... don't listen to this idiot. seriously dude, 6 years later and I still want to kick your teeth out for being that stupid.
He shuts up and gets on with it at 2:55.
You're welcome.
FF cars can't dri-
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Not much fun as a rear WD with a limited slpi diff. The conclusion: RWD = more fun. Goodbye.
Just cut the jabbering and show us how it's done, for ducks sake!