2020 Yamaha YZ125 VS KTM 125SX Two Stroke - Motocross Action Magazine
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2020
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This isn’t a shootout between the 2020 Yamaha YZ125 and the 2020 KTM 125SX; it is an unshootout. We will give you all the same facts as in a true-to-life shootout, but 125 two-strokes differ from 250 two-strokes, 250 four-strokes or 450 four-strokes in that they serve a different master. For the most part, these three groups of bikes are purebred race bikes. They have dedicated race classes where they have a chance of winning. Not so with a 125 two-stroke. Under the AMA’s convoluted double-displacement handicapping of four-strokes, the number of 125 two-strokes with a ghost of a chance of winning anything above the 125 Novice class is almost nil. That doesn’t stop guys from trying to race them. Even without racing acceptance, 125 two-strokes have found a unique audience. They have become the go-to bike of riders who just want to have fun.If you’re riding 125s for fun and pleasure, ride a YZ125. It offers enough bang for the buck to satisfy anyone looking to have fun on one of the greatest motocross machines ever made.
If you’re racing a 125 to improve your skills, win races and not give up an iota of performance to the competition, race a KTM 125SX. It is a better race bike than the YZ125-and any attempt to make the YZ125 as fast, light and svelte as the 125SX will end up costing more than the $700 price differential.
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If you are reading this, believe me that you can have any of these bikes. Never give up on your dreams and keep working hard! 🤙
This is the motivation i needed thank you
thanks man reading this made me think about how i never thought i’d get one anytime soon, and i actually go pick my 2020 125 up next week!
bro it's only $7000 lol
@@brandone957 nah just cause the msrp is 7200 doesn’t mean your gonna pay that lol getting a new one is around 10 grand unless you can get it from a dealer that doesn’t charge setup or extra fees, even then $7000 is a lot of money for most middle to low class people
@@joey-rj1ro setup and extra fees isn’t that much. At the end of the day it might cost you 7800-7900 not 10k thats almost 3k just for that which makes no sense
They're both winners in my book, at least they still make 2 strokes. Thank you Team KTM and Team Yamaha!
I'm a long time motocross rider and racer. I'm glad hearing that others still love the 2 stroke. Couldn't agree with you more Rick
Zjl
Both bikes look good but the blue wheels on the Yamaha look so GOOD
tacky junk
Nickolas White I disagree entirely
helo no they definitely need to go back to black
ktm crush they look great
TM actually started the blue rim thing and Yamaha copied! My last bike was a 2016 Yamaha YZ250FX and it was a blast cause I put a few thousand in engine parts, but my new TM EN300 is FAST as lightning and looks/performs better as well!!! TM for the win! Only 1500 bikes imported to the US every year - check em out if you've never seen or rode one. The engines are extremely rare, elusive, beautiful, wild - basically unicorns of moto! Lmbo
I'm 58yrs but have only been riding for around 5 yrs owning only 2 bikes, a YZ125 and an SX125, both new bikes. I'm not experienced enough to tell you which is the better bike but I can tell you that the YZ is far more resilient. The SX required constant maintenance, nuts & bolts required checking between laps where the YZ is 'ride, wash, put-away, ride again'. AB (UK)
Grew up on 2 strokes and will always have mad love for them but I’m older now and 4 strokes are easier to ride for me now. Glad 2 strokes are making a comeback. Braaaaaap
At 57 years of age now. I've owned several two stroke bikes as well as four strokes. I will always drift back too the two strokes
Grateful we still have these two strokes. I have a ktm 150
I'm looking to pick up a 150. Been a while since I had a 2 stroke. Time to come back.
I just got a 16 150 it’s fully pimped out
@@billybean5140 sweet. Did you get a good deal on it? I'm heading down to local bike shop here in Denver to look at a used 18.
The 150s are really fun. Grip and rip man
Me too
You'll be need fans there..We will not see anything from the dust of these rockets!!!
Long live 2 strokes
Yamaha and the Japanese have been building bulletproof 2 smokers for ever. I’ll take a Japan built 2 stroke any day. Long live the 2 smokers!
Ktm’ are great if you like throwing money away on over priced weak parts
@@quickturn66 or if you prefer better performing bikes that aren't 3 bhp down
@@quickturn66 I wish I saw this before I bought my son his first bike... ktm 85 🙄
@@riocronk3967 never understood that sentiment. Throw a bills pipe on you'll be at ktm level. Get a lesser known pipe like a scalvini and it basically mae's the yz into a ktm
Problem is that you lose Bottom end. We like to thing we're all pros. But when your tired that bottom end makes a difference. You have to be on point with a peaky motor
@@richracing7420 I got an lectron H series carb and a PC R304 shorty on my YZ125. I definitely feel a power increase. I’m about to get an aftermarket cylinder head and some vforce reeds. She’ll be a rocket ship in no time. KTM’s are amazing and beautiful bikes but man, they don’t have that Japanese build quality if I’m being 100% honest. They are also a hassle to work on at times because of weaker parts.
Excellent non bias professional review. Thank you.
2-strokes are real motocross bikes.
They take more skill to ride, that’s for sure!
Truth.....bags of attitude ,ruthless power delivery and kick arse sound ....if you can ride a high performance 2 stroke you can ride anything ....it's a shame that with the tech we have now they arnt abundant anymore. ....imagine a 2 stoke 500 that could be made nowadays ....they need to make 1 to appease the fans ...sales would be through the roof
I gotta 4 stroke 💔😪
Then why is the 4t the better performing bike. And why are all MXGP teams running 4t even tho they have the option for both
@@riocronk3967 the behave totally different, 4t have a higher rpm range, smoother power delivery and are heavier which makes them less of a handful.
2019 Yz250 owner. Two stroke is a way of life.
Yes
The YZ 125 is the best bike result wise than any bike I ever owned, including a KTM with tons of motor work on both
someone clearly didnt watch the vid
@@ktmcrush2290 He is speaking from personal experience.. Someone can't comprehend..
@@TerrickHarden u cant speak for him
ktm crush he wasn't speaking for him. He was telling you what he meant. And plus, you are clearly brand-biased lol
So im really looking at the yz 125, quad rider for years, tired of no place to ride them i can take this to the track that dont allow quads i ride a (yfz 450) will i like this. i know the change will take some adjusting but going to do it. im 5 11 190 lbs will it be powerful enough sorry for all the ????
Unreal that a 125 is $7,000 now.....ugh!!!!
That was 2 years ago!
they are not ashamed to ask for more money 🤣
4:40 that is the money shot!!!
Japanese reliability all the way..👍👍👍
Bist Yamaha kampani Japanese sains Bist
MXA - a good project is to dyno all (or most) available pipes/silencer aftermarket combos to see which one can make the YZ as close to the SX at peak, and still be very rideable.
All you need is a different ignition box and pow big power gains add the pipe...
@@billallen4793 - Bill, the Yammie has an excellent motor, so yes, the ignition box + pipe. 👍
I have a 125 sx and its a fun bike but like they said in the video u have to keep the rpm up wich is kinda hard when learning, iam just starting out
Can't remember if I ever saw a shootout between a bulit ktmsx 125 and a bulit yz125? Do you think the results would be the same? As you say the 700$ is better spend buying a stock ktm vs upgrading a YZ.
YZ125 just for the parts availability, KTM is super nice too. Accessory wise the KTM is far better, you get from the get-go better pipe, rims, clutch and arguably forks (even if the Kayaba are exceptional too).
What are the maintenance cost difference at race level?
@mxa, please do one comparing the 2020 Husqvarna TC250, KTM 250SX, and Yamaha YZ250. It would be amazing, and you guys would be the only ones with a Two-Stroke 250 shootout. Cheers!
Well, husky and ktm are practically the same, so you only need one of them for the shootout. YZ has more down low, but less overall horsepower, ktm needs to be higher in the rpm's to go fast
You forgot TM mx 250 ktm and husky are almost the same
Yeah bring back the days of two stroke shootouts. Loved reading about them in MXA magazine
ej101 that is not true at all, the 250sx actually have a ton of low to mid power and actually fall flat on their face when in the higher rpms. I have ridden all the 2 stroke 250s and currently have a 250sx
@@enzojacobsen4349 same factory but completely different to ride to say they are the same thing is incorrect completely different rides different powerbands clutches
Don’t forget the yz is completely stock front factory and the ktm has performance parts from factory
I love both. Hope to have both and share with myb19 year old Nephew someday. I live in the space coast of Fla, so trail riding is on the agenda too.
Never pulled the holeshot ktm that was super easy on the YZ
Really helpful thanks
Where is this beautiful track !?
I bought Yamaha because is more easy to ride, MORE FUN, more reliable with better suspension.
KTM is a really good bike, not dought about it but is a matter of priorities.
If my priority was to brake my lap record instead of having fun i would buy a 250 2stroke or four stroke.
250 2 strokes are a shit load of fun
Yamaha yz are easier to ride fast thats about it
Buenos dias amigos como estan los megores videos de a Motoscross
Well needed video this was
2 strokes always good...
what gear are both of the riders wearing? Great vid by the way
Im not one to nit pick, a 2 stroke is a 2 stroke!! I have a 21 Husky 125 and I love that thing with all my heart, greatest machine Ive ever ridden
Absolutely even….Which ever one you can get don’t hesitate…..They are both a masterpiece of a dirt bike!!!
Best sound in the world don’t let these things die please
Every engine needs to warm up. 1 minute or so idling, then let it fly. Without warming up, you can have the piston seize in the cylinder. Expensive mistake, at the least. 2 stroke or 4 stroke, Warm the engine up before you rip on it. Just saying.
Kawasaki going all electric by 2035
I want this my dream bike :(
40 years of riding mx bikes makes think it should mandatory for every rider to spend a number of races on a 125 before being allowed to race a 250 f or 450f. There would be so many better riders as a result. Theres something about four strokes that ruin moto cross for me.
Maybe its because the track I maintained was closed 100% because of 4 stroke noise. Non riders hate the sound of thumpers.
I hear ya...And just think, electric is coming. ughhh
I hear you. Sound pollution is a bigger problem than air pollution. My buddy has a track a mile away from my house. I could bearly hear the two-strokes if everything was quiet. The next year everyone switched to four-strokes and it was like they were riding two doors down. We had two tracks get closed because of the sound.
@@justincoats7236 yup, because of the loud noise levels 4 stroke make, we may be at risk of losing alot of riding areas, here in Ontario Canada, loud pipes on snowmobiles are having extreme effects, property owners are closing sections of the OFSC trail system and theres no way to link the trail around these properties.
Ride unheard n leave as little destruction behind as possible is the key to our future of riding cool toys
Hey i thought that race track was close wat do they call it now?
I have no motorcycle , but i hope some day will come true .
2stroke for life
Great review🤙
WOOOOOOOW milestone right before they shut her down. RIP MSMX ; (
you should of included the TM MX 125
I imagine that if a brand does not have enough money to pay a media they do not present it. long live ktm and bribes
TM is a pricey,, but sweet ride
yeah and then they would be -16000 instead of -8000 haha all the 125 bikes are expensive
the ktm may be lighter but what’s the weight of the guy on the ktm and then they weight of the guy on the yamaha. since i’m 125 and the another dude was 150 i would be faster then.
We want a Video - Ktm SX125 2022🧡 vs. Yamaha YZ125 2022💙
Dommage qu il n y est pas les sous titrage en français
Mantap
Damn, those Yamaha's must have been absolute weapons in the mid 2000s! I'm so glad that both of these companies still produce smokers, KTM pushing development and Yamaha just pushing out the same quality product year after year. I really wish Suzuki and Kawasaki did the same thing as Yamaha, fuck Honda though. Just as a company not their bikes, some of them are the most iconic in history. Still I don't see why Yamaha can't just run their 250F and 450F bikes, with the cradle from their respective smoker. Then they only need to build a second, slightly different frame. Not reproduce an entire 2nd motorcycle. The Yamaha engine is still relevant. They wouldn't need to develop it and the chassis would see development just as a side effect, with no R&D. Seems like a cheaper way to produce them, that would only benefit the smoker?
💖 yamaha 2 stroke, YZ 125 and 250.👍🏼
Dreambike yz125. Hope can buy someday
What would you say is the best all around bike
I went yz, I love my 2020 yz125
Me too
The 125s should limit their racing to flatter courses with long straights. They can go to 50+hp 125 road race engines.
“Which one of these is the fastest on the track” !? The bike with the RACER on it , who has the skill, stamina, and training to keep it wrung out, and in the meat, for an entire 15-20 minute f’n race ! These bike tests are all smoke and mirrors, to get your track days and free demos ! You guys are CNN for motocross !
The question is not which racer is the fastest, but which bike is the fastest for a given racer...
You know exactly what I mean. And I know exactly what the video is about. And it’s all a crock of shit. The champions are in the history books because of skill, determination, and training. Not because of a magazine articles bike brand shootout !
Not because of a red, yellow, blue, orange, green, or white bike.
But hey, if that’s what your into, what helmet brand is going to get the quickest lap times for a “given” racer !? Bell or Shoei !?
where is the Tm 125 mx ?? ah yes i forget... people Will only buy expensive ktm "ready to race" and the old YZ. you're right. dont give money to the italians. the only true people in 2020 who make dirtbike with the heart. do not support the last enthusiasts who still make real fast motorcycle reliable like honda and well equipped with 40HP
the KZ125 engine is enbreakable, they are made in house like every Tm engine since 70'. they even made engine for 7 other brand at the time like gasgas. you get 80cc 85cc 100cc 125cc 144cc 250cc 300cc enduro/mx/supermoto. you find parts in 48h in Europe (idk for USA)
and man.. just ride one you will see. the more you know the brand the more you fall in love. you can make the setting you want. they love their customers, they love bikes 💙Tm forever
TM are the hardest dirtbike in the industry to get a hold of if they produced more people would buy them and I think MXA have reviewed them.
Good luck finding a TM in the USA..... Also, I wasn't seeing any TMs anywhere near the front at MXDN....
I own a yz85 but I am moving to a tm85 I just love the whole look and the fact they are hand built
you lost me at honda and reliable..now we know your talking from your azz. for a 15 year old yz design it runs well with the ktms. yamaha has always been top notch with the 125 class especially after 96. wouldnt trade my japanese machine for a gas gas. and i understand your frustration towards the ktm 125sx its the best bike on the market and your too broke too afford one so you go on youtube and bash it lol...keep your chin up little guy mommy might buy you a real bike one day.
The prize of the YZ125 should be lower for every year. Its the same bike for the last 15 years, production cost low, and no money is spent on r/d.
and still better than anything honda suzuki or kawi put out. why change something that works very good
Will Walton but why make it more expensive?
@@tyriekovco711 yamaha has never been cheap. and like i said before it was the best production 125 with the frame, suspension and the power horse at one time. and your limited on 2t choices, its the only japanese company still making them. ive personally owned 4 of them 97, 98, 01 and my current 07 which is a huge upgrade from my older models way more power and for me atleast the best handling bike ive ever ridden.
Will Walton You also pay for really good build quality. Especially on the 2006-2009 models.
3:39 i can hear someone say wow
Husqvarna got a 40hp 125 so it’s kinda surprising the ktm has 37hp.
What is is supercharged 125?
maybe the ktm is from th wheel and the husky is from the crank?
Peak power means nothing
I'll take an 06 rm 125 over both but any 2 stroke will do :)
Meh 99' rm was better. Yz pretty much wraop
good night friends these bikes are all good, and my dream of consumption, a pity that they are very expensive in brazil. the more we are going. and a very good dream they exist.
Yea and they powerful to😭I rode a 2 stroke for the first time today a yz125 I went down a curb and hit the gas I thought i was done I’m usually on a crf 150rb
What brand of 2t oil u used? Thnk u
Yahama all the life, i have an YZ125 2012.
Yesss....i like it. 1 day my dream is come true...and don't give up😉😉😉
what really needs to be said here is the KTM is more set up for pro and the 125 Yamaha is more for semi pro Rider
im 5’4 90lbs will i fit in the ktm 125sx with suspenion lowered 2 inches and im gonna race tho will i still be able to jump with it that low?
@motocrossactionmagazine
85 first. Move on to 125 after. Trust me
Yaseen Ali i have a 150r rn
Have to say YZ on this one.
7.5 pounds lighter, and 2-3 horsepower lighter? Bruh how? Because of $700? That's like a week of work at most.
@@samoliverio7455 suspension, parts price, resale value, reliability.
@@caydenthompson126 I'd argue the WPs are just as good as KYBs. Parts are cheaper I'll give you that. Resale value is completely off, I've seen nice mid-2000's KTMs go for $5000 while I can pick up a YZ for $3000. Reliability may be a bit more towards the YZ, but KTMs don't break for the most part. There's some that have flaws but overall they have good European build quality.
@@samoliverio7455 WPs offer adjustability, but if you want the best suspension period than it's KYB SSS. Everyone knows it. YZs definitely have better resale value because they are reliable solid machines that are not changed.
@@caydenthompson126 I think suspension is debatable. And you just destroyed your own point, YZs haven't been updated in almost 2 decades. Who wants a 20 year old machine? It's like wanting a 2000 honda civic, it's reliable, but who wants it?
Yamaha makes most of my favorite bikes
I just bought the yamaha today. My first bike at 16. Im so excited. Any tips?
Enjoy. That's my favorite dirt bike.
Take lessons and have the suspension revalved for your weight. The better you ride the more fun it is
@@jrod1076 yeah ive gotten pretty good. The suspension i do need tuned tho
@@devinn5306 did you change anything on suspension? en did it make a diffrence?
Can it still do singletrack trails?
yamaha can better
@@paahtopro3950 did you watch the video? no, it doesnt
Keren
Stfu
Note the yz is from 2006 pretty much as well
You have 800 dollars to recut the head, fix the jetting, buy a pipe, tires AND springs.
$800 start on a 145 kit. Makes power differences moot.
Not to mention is 125 parts are dirt cheap. Throw in a fresh piston every season and you'll easily get 5 years out of the bike with nothing major
if im 5 foot 7 and 128 pounds with riding experience but have never owned a bike. what bike would work
Yz 125 for you
really it's my dream motorbike
🤘
If only honda brought back the crf125r it would be the most popular dirt bike ever
what is the best bike for a 14 yr old coming off a klx 140 trail bike
Kx100
its funny 20 years ago number plates were so big they provided some protection for the silencer now they are so small it has no protection
While saying the stats you should put a chart on the screen
Roger that, especially when comparing the power curve. Where the power comes on is important. At most of my local tracks, the low end is ideal. Not likely gonna have long hills like glen helen or budds.
yo tengo la ktm sx 125 de 2015 y salgo con amigo que tienen la yamaha yz 125 2018 y va practicamente igual y deverda que los xavales me disen que como la va y como suena la ktm no va la yamaha y las 2 estan de serie pero no ai nada que envidiar y el sonido muxo mas mas bonito el de la ktm que no lo digo por tenerla que me lo dicen los xavales yo estoi contentisimo con ktm no la cambio por ninguna. KTM POWER💪🤤 son las mejores en cross en enduro y en todo aunque tambien influye el piloto ai xavales con motos mas viejas y van como una bala yo creo que los motores varian muy poco lo mas cambia es el chasis suspension y demas saludos
yo tengo una 150 2017 y suena muy bien, a todos les gusta como ruge cuando abres todo el gas, muy ligera y potente, no le pide nada a la 250 4 tiempos.
I keep reading the 1999 yz super Evo was a great bike .
Both bike are the best.The problem sits between the handlebars and the seat.If you can't ride don't judge.
awesome i wish yamaha make a new stronger engine for the yz 125
even the STIC metering block (from www.sticsupertorque.com/) would bring them closer, without even doing porting and other stuff
You'd be surprised at how fast a YZ125 can be! Properly ported cylinder, modified head and pipe, with an 8 ounce flywheel weight, Lectron carb and Cam2 leaded 110 octane race fuel! They smoke ANY other 125, stock or modified!
Doug Grotler Not only that, They are still cheap to run even with those modifications. You also can’t beat the legendary SSS suspension when properly set up on the YZ. I still think the KTMs are great but the Yamahas are just really tough bikes to beat.
@@douggrotler8277 honestly I just popped on a Lectron H series and a R304 shorty on mines and I feel a good amount of power increase. Might do all of that porting shit in the future if I get bored of the current setup which I doubt I will.
How is the best bro?
😍😍😍
I need a 125 bcs 85 is small
Both bikes are sick, but me no likey the smokers, 2019 yz450f oh yeah.
then why are you watching
So he could stick his 2pence in of course 😂
Where’s the tc?
basically a ktm
bruh they ride different and got different airboxes and the plastics make u sit different
@@brandonlayne6906 woah very impressive.. what about a real husqvarna ? i yes its true... ktm killed the oldest motocross brand in the world cause they have no respect for bikes
U for got husky and tm as well
husky is literally KTM
Thanks this review is helpful. I'm moving my son up from a KX100 to a 125 and this is a great comparison to help us make a choice.
Go with the yz
I made the switch from a kx100 to yz125 and it was a good transition for me.
Yamaha Yz 125 2020 THE BEST 🔝👍
Next cr250 vs yz250
Parts, price, and availability goes a long way with a 125... most will have best luck here with the YZ
Now 250 2 stroke shootout including the tc
Yamaha YZ 250 -2 stroke
Can a 15 years old still compete with the newer ones?
Like RM125, CR125 and KX125?
the yz 2020 is 15 years old
Yes I’m not sure about the other brands but the kx puts out more power then the ktm and lighter
@@zayneriess634 ?
Zayne Riess and good luck finding parts to keep it running.
@@zayneriess634 2008 KX 125 is 191.8 pounds(dry). The 2020 125 SX is 192 pounds(dry) according to both manufactures. I've ridden both bikes and the KTM handles better compared to the KX on the track with the more modern suspension and is obviously better despite having an air fork. Kawi btw claimed 40 PS at the crank(39 HP) which is more than the SX(37.8 HP), but it doesn't feel like it when you ride it. It was the best 125 back in 08 imo and I wish Kawasaki kept making and developing the bike. It would be incredible today. I wish all the Japanese manufactures would have kept on developing 2 strokes.
Good..
And tell us again the reason why the other Japanese manufacturers do not make a 125 2 stroke racing bike? Go ahead... Will wait. They don't have a reason. Just make the dang thing and people will buy it. It's just that simple. It doesn't even have to be all that great and updated and Technology. Just ask Yamaha. They have done almost nothing to their 125 and it still is a good bike that sells pretty well. So just make the thing Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki. And people will buy it. How much more simple does it need to be for you guys...
Let’s be honest here. If Yamaha actually decided to try, they would make the best 125 hands down. I mean think about it. Yamaha’s engineering is one of the best in the game, if not the best. They legit made the Lexus LFA lmao.
@@YaseenAli-zn9ej Lexua LFA is not that special beside that it has a great sound
Honestly I’ve been riding dirt bikes since 2013 I was 4! I prefer the yz125 Cause I’m a yahama guy
2 strokes ftw, both winners.
If racing we know Pro Circuit can make the YZ as good as anything out there, good thing Pro Circuit are still green and not on Orange or it would be game over and the end of all 4t and 2t if that ever happens, be unbeatable🤘
Ktm is my dream bike brand