What you’re describing as the retroactive plot for the endless is exactly how I feel about the banished. The covenant were the ultimate threat, pushed humanity to extinction in a 20+ year war. But the idea of “they never came close to stopping the banished”, when it’s ran by 1 guy.. that’s how that story sat with me. Love the content, keep it up!
That’s a good point. Personally I feel they should’ve been a group that relied on hidden bases and guerrilla tactics. Then, after the fall of the Covenant, they could have gained prominence as the UNSC rebuilt.
@@slumphub I agree. Ive played every game and enjoy the good with the bad. They are definitely bad ass, with their style of up armored vehicles and more mercenary style alliances and much more. That being said, to still say that the covenant posed No threat to them? When the covenant, within a few minute to, almost fired the halo rings from the ark whilst in the middle of a battle between all UNSC forces, the Sangheli AND the flood? It was just lazy writing in my opinion for them to say the banished were THAT good from the start.
Yeah, I agree with you completely. I actually really like the Banished as a faction, I love how they're made up of the same species that made up the Covenant but have a completely different philosophy and aesthetic. I love the movie The Road Warrior and the Banished remind me of Mad Max villains. If the Covenant were the Knights Templar then the Banished are the Hell's Angels. 😁 But they're so oversold as overly formidable opponents in Halo Wars 2. The idea that a single individual could go rogue from an organisation as large as the Covenant and within a few years amass his own army powerful enough to pose a threat to that organisation is pretty silly - even sillier is the idea that this could happen and humanity remain completely ignorant of it. The Banished are a great faction but their backstory was dumb. They should have just had the Banished become a thorn in the Covenant's side and remain that way until the Covenant fell. There's no need to do this whole "they were always bigger and badder than the Covenant" thing. I actually like the idea of facing a threat that is "smaller" than the original enemy faction in terms of size and numbers, but more ruthless and brutal. It doesn't always have to be "bigger."
The Endless being a continuation or enclave of the Precursors that survived was how it read to me in Infinite. Possibly it was a group of Precursors that survived, and when discovered by the Forerunners, were locked away/exiled as the Forerunners could not bear to exterminate them as they thought they had before. Unless it's a complete shoehorn on the part of 343, that's really the only narrative that works with the overall canon of everything else that I can think of.
I'd like to think that the Precursors had somehow wound up "Making" the Endless. Like, they're a lesser, "Mortal" form of Precursor. (If we think of the Precursor's having transcended temporal bounds as a sort of immortality) If the Flood is "Only" the undead zombie of the Precursors, then the Endless as a living version of them, with the potential to be reborn into full Precursors, then I could indeed see how Cortana could see them as being even more threatening than the Flood.
The amount of times she quotes the gravemind in the game and in the rubicon protocol leads me to believe the endless are nothing else other than precursor in origin
Precursors were said to each be eldritch gods that would sometimes reincarnate themselves as seemingly regular species in the galaxy. The primordial made itself into the flood. Some precursors became plantlike lifeforms after the flood war. Calling it now, the endless are a form of precursors too.
@@revolverocelot1380maybe the endless could be a splinter faction of the precursors that didn’t believe in becoming space dust and turned themselves into the endless
I have a theory that the Endless are a group of Precursors who, instead of turning into the powdered form that later became the Flood, would digitize themselves and become a digital species perhaps existing isolated outside of the Domain. Through the passage of time they end up creating several biological forms for themselves to inhabit and dissipate their precursor "consciousness" throughout the species with the intention of developing to the point they could overthrow the Forerunners. It's not a great or compelling theory, but it's the only thing that came to mind when playing Infinite with the information we were given in that game.
There was that one audio log where the Harbinger spoke to a Marine who in a different log is said to have become mute after their conversation which sounds like the logic plague.
Thank God somebody explained the endless because I wasn't even sure if the harbinger was even a part of the endless species, because they don't explain ANYTHING throughout the campaign
The Endless: "We're immune to Halo and the Flood" Precursors rewrite laws of reality with their neural physics magic to make them susceptible: *Surprise, mothafucka*
I wonder if the ship that crashed into the halo and contained by 343 guilty spark was an endless ship. If I remember correctly, it happened pretty early after the halos had fired. perhaps they were looking for their lost comrades
@@HiddenXperiaI have a theory if the endless if you humor me. It slight sound wild but hear me out. If the circle rings in the halo which symbolise a reoccurring loop. Perhaps atriox is the start of the loop starting again. The endless is not specifically a race or pre cursors. It’s a reference to an endless loop. Atriox setting in motion what’s happened many times before, loops as the previous ones had the flood u its galaxies. However something happened. In this universe the flood has not overwhelmed it. Maybe that’s the true test of humanity. To turn the tide and push them back in multiple universes. This species is clearly immune or are they? I think the flood choose not too. Like with humanity in the forerunner war. When they reseeded to trick the forerunners.
Who’s to say they’re not the Meddlers? Somebody crashed at Halo before we got there, it’s in one of the anniversary cutscenes, theres also that one Flood Map, that somebody changed the teleporters to not connect to the outside? The idea of a new species has always been hinted before
Not just knowledge, the Halo Encyc says they are “attuned” to it. This is the biggest piece of evidence that they are Reclaimers, as Living Time is described as “the Founding concept behind the Mantle of Responsibility” not only that, but the reason why the Forerunners gave themselves that name was because they knew they were the literal Forerunners of the next Species to weild Living Time…guess which species that is.
In Halo: Silentium it describes a Precursor artefact on the Didact's homeworld, Nomdagro. The Didact and IsoDadact have their back and forth there. The description of it is exactly like the ring statues on Zeta Halo in Halo Infinite. So far I seem to be the only one who's noticed this. 🤷♂️
The Encyclopedia where it said that "a few Xalanyn managed to escape from their species' imprisonment" also contradicts itself (since this would imply that the species is just another >Tier-2 species, as it also states that the xalanyn where "attuned" to living time itself, which would mean they where a tier-0 species.
PROBABLY deception + preptime caused this effect or its a WILD plot hole but if u give something. Time and opportunity I belive it ca make a box something se smarter or tougher CANT escape easily or without sacrifice
I know its off topic but The way you described the problems with the retroactive addition of the endless is almost an exactly perfect description of the problem with the timeless child in doctor who.
With the Doctor, it is dealing with a very old problem. It is saying what happens when the Doctor stops regenerating. The one thing we know, is the Daleks have declared their intentions are to kill anyone that has either met him, or been a Companion that is not dead yet, and then destroy everyone in a massive purge. The Timeless Child was a botched attempt to both avoid that story, and show the character keeps going.
The name Endless also implies a precursor origin, since theyre the only species who are immortal in their own way, or, put differently, the only species with an endless existence
Considering what the Precursors are, I'd love to see the Endless being like "We are immune to the Flood." Then an infected Endless just shows up as a giant "Lol you thought" moment because the Precursors made themselves able to infect them. They are builders of life down to the cells of life. They could do it.
I don’t want the Endless to just become a arbitrary power-up for the Flood. The Flood are cool but they will always do what we expect. The Endless have actual emotions, and I personally find a thinking and feeling antagonist much more interesting to explore.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 The Gravemind does get angry occasionally, so the Flood does have feelings. And they definitely think. Obviously. But I get what you mean.
I believe the Endless are the Precurosor's selected champion for inhereting the mantle this time and humanity are the forerunners'. The immuinity the Endless have to the Halo Rings is some kind of time slipspace ability to inherently not be affected by the Halo blast some kind of existing between dimensions similar to Cryptums, Shield Worlds. However , the Endless do not know the ultimate intent of the Precursors though, they just believe they're the chosen inheritors of this universe. On a story level, that way you don't directly dive into a precursor enemy faction and can still introduce the concepts of a bigger bad out there while giving humanity a challenge where they're not directly fighting the gods of the universe. This opens the door for client species , which I believe are referenced in the Encyclopedia (2022) and allows other creatures following them under their control of the Mantle.
I really hope you're right and that 343 takes the Endless in the reborn Precursors direction. When infinite first came out, I remember thinking that them being some form of Precursors was the ONLY way the Endless made sense in the greater halo story.
I think that the endless worship the precursors like the covenant worshiped the forerunners. They’re a space cult using the powers that their “gods” left behind. But the difference between the covenant and the endless is that the endless have actually been in contact to the precursors. The precursors made the endless to be immortal for a very specific reason. They are those who care for the the sacred cycle of creation and consumption. The precursors create, the flood devour, and the endless are meant to keep the cycle going. They care for the precursors. They were granted the gift of “life grafting” which allows them to re-write life which allowed them to turn the flood back into the precursors whenever they devoured all life in the universe. However the gift of life grafting was given with one simple rule. Do not use this power to create original life out of nothing. But when they broke that rule, and the precursors left them behind, right before the forerunners betrayed the precursors. Sot he endless were completely left out of the loop.
Man, 343 Industries just have to hire you or at least name you as the official Catalog of the Halo lore. You have a way to tell and record stories that could match the ones of the Forerunner rate. If one of its members appears someday in one of Halo Media, 343 should hire to voice it.
The head shape of The Harbinger is also reminiscent of the Primordial in the few pictures we have. The 2 flaps on the side of her mouth/head also look similar to the ones on the Gravemind.
Remember the dialogues released on delta halo about “meddlers” releasing the flood by accident…. If some of their species did escape and were roaming other installations, who is to say these meddlers are not the endless that escaped?
I actually really like the endless being tied to the meddlers and your old video on that topic has always been a HUGE favorite of mine! I actually think 343 did a good job of creating a mystery of a faction that seems beyond something we know. However it does mess with that amazing feeling that the meddlers gave back then. A completely unexpected mystery that made you be like woah wtf! However I think the endless (if done right) can prove to be something very special. But we need to keep a mystery to them that makes them feel very special. I want them to be this species that is truly unique to halo as we have had some subtle hints to something else out there that even bungie hinted at back in the day.
Not sure if you’ll see this but in the Halo encyclopedia in the back of the book it gives a little info on the endless and states “they somehow have the ability to manipulate various forces and energy types in unique ways including a peculiar attunement to elements of living time itself, though to what extent is unknown” I’m sure you already know this though but I think it could back up your way to fix them.
I’m so fascinated by your storytelling ability. You have a fantastical mind my friend, I thoroughly enjoy every video and learn so much from them. Being someone who hasn’t dived into the lore outside of the games.
To a lesser degree the Banished could also be applied to your retroactive addition critique. The way Halo Wars 2 establishes them as this new super faction that the Covenant never came close to defeating feels like an exaggeration at first because Isabel is scared. But then in Infinite they make mincemeat of the Infinity via an ambush and the game definitely wants to emphasize the Banished as the new big bad Covenant replacement. Now I like the Banished because space pirates are cool, but they do feel like the latest in a line of Covenant successors trying to fill the role for gameplay and story purposes.
I think the Endless just being another form of Precursors would also make the most sense.On one hand, it has that flood convertibility that would make them the most dangerous should they convert, and on another, the design of The Harbinger seems at least a little in line with the design of The Primordial.
14:05 EXACTLY! When I heard of The Endless, I was hoping they’d be a branch of the Precursors because: 1. why introduce a new race we never heard of? and 2. their name feels like something relating to Precursors, because they were omnipotent and trans-sentient.
The endless being the precursors makes logical sense to me we’ve been told of the crazy powers of precursors and to me the endless kinda looks like a smaller precursor
343: "Write that down, write that down!!!" I seriously hope this is the direction they take for the Endless. They should just hire you to write their stories lol
I prefer that one. And the idea of biased information regarding the Precursors because of all of it coming from the Forerunners fits too well to be entirely wrong.
Doesn't make sense after Outcasts revealed two living Precursors hiding away on Netherop, not a fan of theory overall tbh. The Flood being vengeance-reborn Precursors explains their motives very well
I think that The Endless are DIRECTLY connected to the Flood. If you listen to the audio logs in Infinite, the way she says "Now *I* shall talk and *you* shall listen." Literally has the same notes as Gravemind when he says it in H2.
Hidden, you COOKED with this video. If they really do this in the next game (which there seems to be a lot of evidence that that will be the case) then this could be huge for Halo
@Italkmadshitlol4 and infinite have good plots. And considering how far they’ve come along and have fired those empty promise makers, I think things should be looking up
If 343 had a actual plan for the endless they would have shown up in the game they are teased throughout. Imagine in CE you get to 343 guilty spark and just as you enter the room with the flood the game ends 😂😂😂 343 have dogshit writing
@@jamiiiedee3196 Lol if you think the Endless have no planning you just weren’t paying attention out of rage. All of their lore paints a consistent picture. They probably didn’t have the Full Endless in Halo Infinite (although that would be awesome) because they wanted to give a more conventional Halo experience.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 And ALL of their lore didnt exist before Infinite. "Planning" and Halo Infinite cannot be used in the same sentence. The story is Fucked if you dont read the books. And it has been for the past 3 games. Yea dude... Hectic "planning" xD
I genuinely hope the Endless are Precursors, as it would tie everything together very nicely. It would set up some potential final battles for the Mantle of Responsibility too!
The Meddelers were Endless. I’m so certain of it. The New Halo Encyclopaedia revealed that not all Endless were imprisoned. Some of them travelled the galaxy and *other Forerunner Installations* to try and find a way to free their kind. And 343 Guilty Spark himself said that the Ship that crash-landed on Installation 04 was basically “A small reconnaissance craft” with short-range flight capabilities… implying it came from a larger fleet..
@@HiddenXperia I know you won’t see this but, from the moment I saw the endless I called it that the endless were the meddlers. This was on a now deleted account, so I know you won’t believe that. If you see this you won’t believe me. So yeah.
Was anyone else disappointed by the fact that Halo 5's cliffhanger was completely disregarded by Halo Infinite and that most of its major plot points were resolved off screen? I was hoping for a more cohesive story
Ye it’s one of my biggest gripes with the game. They show us all these great character moments that could have happened on screen and made great levels. UNSC HQ getting blown up would have been a brilliant level. Leonodinas stations destruction could have given Locke actual character development. But instead we’re sat in the same boring environments all game. Grass Forerunner or Banished. Nothing else
While I didn't read Halo Epitaph, I have heard that it strongly ties off all the loose ends between Halo 4 and Halo 5. As for the Endless, eh, new fad, no idea. They may have to pull someone to pump out a novel to tie off Halo 5 and Infinite and release it 10 years from now or something. (Lmao my comment didn't manifest wtf UA-cam. Edit: now it does, but I deleted it now)
That's kind of the 343 strategy. Make a story, people have complaints, 343 has most plotholes cliffhangers and unfinished story covered in books, make a new game either barely referencing to the previous game and books or don't reference them at all, repeat cycle. I.E Didact books after halo 4, Created war books after halo 5
yeah infinite skipping over the guardians and cortanas defeat was really lame. it would've been much better and more epic if there was an actual fight against her.
I think that’s possible too. In Halo: Outcasts we learn that 2 Precursors hid from the Forerunners on Netherop, and while there, they advanced and guided the native species. I think the Xalanyn could be an much more successful case of that.
They basically pulled what they did with The Banished when they introduced them in Halo Wars 2 when Isabelle talks about The Banished and how they are worse than The Covenant.. but nobody has ever heard of them before somehow
another reason why the endless are worse than the flood is that they can access neural physics easier compared to the latter, as it needs at least a gravemind to distort local slipspace whilst a single endless can bend time on their own
The ring artefacts on zeta halo being precursor makes sense. If the halo rings functioned the same as shield worlds, the life on them surviving, then so would the precursor ruins. Although, we don't need to speculate about that, because we DO see surviving precursor ruins on delta halo in halo 2.
Honestly. The real reason the endless were created, in my opinion. Is that the game is rated T for teen. Losing that mature rating means losing the flood. I really think that’s why they did it.
I mean obviously the endless hasn’t been this thing they have been playing for decades. They just needed a new bad that wasn’t full on horror zombies and they added it. And they just say oh yeah the rings don’t affect them…
The Precursors feared the Endless because they’re immune to the Flood. After the last book DROPPED A BOMB on the lore, the Endless are the only species that can resist the ‘true purpose’ of life in the galaxy.
That's actually a really cool idea for multiple reasons. Some went down a one path (the flood), others to the endless. Oh there's so many cool things they could do with that dynamic. They could hate each other. They could work together. Either way, bad news for us. The Halos could be made an issue again because the endless want to sanitize the galaxy of their flood relatives. It also makes sense they would be immune because they had the ability to choose being flood in the first place.
They've got a fine line to walk when it comes to explaining the Endless. The "our truth" thing was annoying because there's no such thing. There's only the truth. So 343i has to explain the Endless without invalidating everything we've invested decades in with the previous games. What's destroyed so many other franchises already is putting down the things/characters that came before to make the new stuff seem more important or impressive when they aren't. Respect the fans and everything that's come before in the lore, and they'll do okay.
The ONLY way I see any of this making sense, is that if the Endless were a non-seeded species. We know that *ALL* life in Halo was seeded by the Precursors, but if the Endless evolved by random chance outside of the Precursor's seeding, that'd give them a hypothetical genetic immunity to The Flood, and potentiall the Halos. We know that while thw Flood can "corrupt" technology, it's not the same as organic assimilation, plus, the Halos don't affect technology either. So what if the Endless possess genetics that are independant, and don't use D.N.A.? They could still 100% be carbon based (maybe carbon and silicon HYBRID), but using WHOLLY incompatible genetic codes, and having a nervous system wildy different to all other life could prevent both thw Halos and Flood from affecting them.
12:55 this also the fact that we haven’t gotten any new material regarding the endless since infinite came out. I get if it wasn’t planned cause it clearly isn’t based on anything either studios have developed in the past, but like you said at the beginning of the video, we are coming up to 3 years since Infinite came out, yet we know next to nothing. If they are the next big threat, then it’s time to show it
I completely agree. I was actually discussing this with my friend after we finished the campaign. The only logical step is to make the Endless Precursors.
My brother in Christ, we all know that 343's Halo was a forced meme as we all know that the original intent was that the forerunners were actually themselves human which is the only way anything that Guilty Spark says makes sense.
gonna be honest I don’t care about the endless at all and literally would prefer *any* story during or before the covenant war, but I can see why they could be a fun shakeup of the lore “going forward” (in theory)
Wish we’d gotten an actual game about the battle for the blood moon or infinity’s fall. I feel like 343 depicts all of the major and action pact events in books or short stories and leaves the games for all of the irrelevant events
I was actually about to look into the Endless since I assumed enough time had past since the game released and new info has dropped. Perfect timing you iconic lad
@FireFox64000000 You all need to stop blaming Microsoft every time 343 fumbles the bag. 343 is the one who continues to destroy the franchise and the only fault Microsoft has is not having fired them yet
@Italkmadshitlol No they're just the ones that are actually forcing 343 to outsource everything. Literally telling 343 that Halo will get by on the brand alone and they don't need to worry about quality.
It is exciting to see where this could go! You are incredibly accurate with the old mystery of the forerunners! Exploring halo ce for the first time not knowing anything about the mysterious folks that built it or why the covenant hate us, I miss it
I'm gonna be honest I thought the endless were the precursors until watching this video. I just now realized it hasn't been said if they are. If they are not then that is ridiculous. I really hope they are 🙏
For me the only thing that could make the endless like legit and not just Shonen aded bad guy is, if the precursor are the reason of their existence like as a last tool for the flood to test or devour everything. BUT I would love for the ultimate bad guy in the Halo universe to be a Galaxy precursor consumed by the ancient flood that come back to our galaxy to finish the fight
I have never wanted one of your theories to be true as much as this one. Honestly the theory about the endless being precursors that didn’t become the flood would make a sick halo storyline. Imagine the flood vs precursors, two species derived from the original precursors with clashing ideals on the future of the galaxy with humanity stuck in the middle.
@mitwhitgaming7722 Including quick time events reminiscent of God of War 3 when Kratos claps athropdite except it's master cheeks in first person for the player's viewing pleasue. 😂
@@markricheard1870 If they go with the Endless being a spin off of the Precursors, they really need to make them a stronger threat, because the Harbinger wasn't really what I'd expect from a Precursor.
Precursors were kept because they have no nervous system to be exploited, so Forerunners saw them as rivals. They were capable of some tech, evident in looking at the Harbingers armor and powers
What if the endless are the actual chosen ones for the mantel of responsibility. History might have been re written along the line and what we know as true might not be.
Apologies in advance for this rant... but... I think this is why people generally don't like Halo anymore - they took it way too far with everything. In the original trilogy, the Forerunners being long gone were the awe-inspiring part of the game that made you feel like this is what Humanity's potential could reach. The Flood being the nightmare, the Covenant being your challenge. It was simple. It wasn't complicated in the slightest and it told a great story. The Precursor back-story to the flood was good for the lore, but it doesn't require any involvement of them in the game beyond being the flood... But now we have: The Banished - which is just a crap version of the covenant; too serious, and not cannon-fodder. The Prometheans The Didact (a living forerunner - which should never have happened) Four versions of Spartans... The Endless A rampant Cortana Ancient living Precursors It's like the writers of the Halo Universe games have absolutely no direction for the story or understanding of what made the original trilogy so great. They didn't need to add all this extra shit into the lore to overcomplicate it... not every new game has to introduce a new mega enemy that's an immense threat. The only reason I see why they've done that is so that they *can* release a new game, and as such because the original trilogy was tied up nicely, they decided to introduce several new threats just to try and surprise the player, and all it has done is push a very dedicated fan base away from their games. EDIT: I love how after posting this massive rant, and then continuing to watch your video, you've actually touched up on this. It does feel extremely forced, and I think it is, just so they can ship a new game with "Halo" in the title. What they should've done instead is created a means for humanity to travel intergalactically to quell the flood infestations that have been growing for millions of years in the other galaxies. You could quite easily write into the story new enemies and new threats in that setting without dwarfing the impact of the events of the original trilogy. Heading into battle with the new united species (Sanghelli, Unggoy, Human, Shan'shyuum) in a new galaxy to fight the flood? I'd be down for that. Fighting a half dozen new threats in the same galaxy you've just unified and saved? Yawn.
Let's be honest, with 343s track record on new games, the next Halo will be 1yr later, we've left Zeta Halo behind with No lore dump, the Endless have been stopped/defeated/kept sealed off screen, Infinity is back in space with a whole crew to restaff it, and we May get Lasky back..... Probably as a Spartan V
The problem with halos story is that you can only have so many “greatest threat” events before it gets silly. The covenant were the greatest threat, then the flood twist, and after both were defeated now what? Well actually there’s a new greatest threat, and a new one, and a new one etc. now it’s like a marvel movie with a new supervillain every 5 minutes
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the Flood also immune to the Halos? In CE at least the halos are stated to only kill the Flood’s food, starving them to death, but not actually hurting the Flood directly. Assuming that is true, and that the Endless are reincarnated Precursors, it would explain why the Endless survived the halos: the Precursors are immune to the Halos. The Endless survived where the Flood didn’t because the Endless still had food.
@Italkmadshitlolhey wait a minute, if 343 Hates Halo, how could they make FAN Fiction? Lol it makes sense that the Halo Array kills the Flood because the Flood aren’t true Precursors, they are deeply twisted and corrupted.
I really hope in future games or comics we get more dive into obscure places and races, like the underwater forerunner temple/maybe precursors from the dazreme underwater homeworld
I know this is a controversial opinion but I actually find the Endless a bit cooler than the Flood. We have seen the Flood many times and they will always do things that we expect. We know what they are and where they come from so they don’t have much “Eldrich and unknowable” feeling to me. I really find it cool how the Xalanyn can use frickin Magic and seems to have a big connection to the Mantle of Responsibility. What separates them from the Flood to me is that they have Emotions. The Xalanyn has wants, desires, feelings of pain, and even fear. We can’t really get that from the Flood. This is also why I grew to like the Created, because Chief having to fight and potentially kill the AI he loved is very emotionally powerful…. Until Halo Infinite killed her off with no Created Army confrontation or anything. Which is ultimately fine as I think the Endless are more fascinating and unique!
additional theory, the whole thing with the endless could possibly be that they were a warrior race created by some of the precursors who didnt become the flood dust or just run away. and as a result are technically precursor in origin with the aim of reclaiming the mantle through force but after discovering the forerunners plan they decided to bide their time by just ended up being captured, alot of holes in this theory but it would make it fit in a little more, or maybe they were intended to be a two pronged attack with the flood.
I spent way too long turning that Chieftain's Gravity Hammer into a clock
worth the funny
Bruh
Absolutely love your videos been a long time fan!
How would Master Chief play into that hypothetical scenario?
Was it time Consuming?
What you’re describing as the retroactive plot for the endless is exactly how I feel about the banished. The covenant were the ultimate threat, pushed humanity to extinction in a 20+ year war.
But the idea of “they never came close to stopping the banished”, when it’s ran by 1 guy.. that’s how that story sat with me.
Love the content, keep it up!
That’s a good point. Personally I feel they should’ve been a group that relied on hidden bases and guerrilla tactics. Then, after the fall of the Covenant, they could have gained prominence as the UNSC rebuilt.
If you played halo war 2 it makes the banished way more badass
@@slumphub I agree. Ive played every game and enjoy the good with the bad. They are definitely bad ass, with their style of up armored vehicles and more mercenary style alliances and much more.
That being said, to still say that the covenant posed No threat to them? When the covenant, within a few minute to, almost fired the halo rings from the ark whilst in the middle of a battle between all UNSC forces, the Sangheli AND the flood?
It was just lazy writing in my opinion for them to say the banished were THAT good from the start.
@Nbarri051 where does it say that? As far I remember, the lore of atriox coming to power is pretty good
Yeah, I agree with you completely. I actually really like the Banished as a faction, I love how they're made up of the same species that made up the Covenant but have a completely different philosophy and aesthetic. I love the movie The Road Warrior and the Banished remind me of Mad Max villains. If the Covenant were the Knights Templar then the Banished are the Hell's Angels. 😁
But they're so oversold as overly formidable opponents in Halo Wars 2. The idea that a single individual could go rogue from an organisation as large as the Covenant and within a few years amass his own army powerful enough to pose a threat to that organisation is pretty silly - even sillier is the idea that this could happen and humanity remain completely ignorant of it.
The Banished are a great faction but their backstory was dumb. They should have just had the Banished become a thorn in the Covenant's side and remain that way until the Covenant fell. There's no need to do this whole "they were always bigger and badder than the Covenant" thing.
I actually like the idea of facing a threat that is "smaller" than the original enemy faction in terms of size and numbers, but more ruthless and brutal. It doesn't always have to be "bigger."
The Endless being a continuation or enclave of the Precursors that survived was how it read to me in Infinite. Possibly it was a group of Precursors that survived, and when discovered by the Forerunners, were locked away/exiled as the Forerunners could not bear to exterminate them as they thought they had before. Unless it's a complete shoehorn on the part of 343, that's really the only narrative that works with the overall canon of everything else that I can think of.
And the only way Cortana's line about things "worse than the Flood" makes any sense
I'd like to think that the Precursors had somehow wound up "Making" the Endless.
Like, they're a lesser, "Mortal" form of Precursor. (If we think of the Precursor's having transcended temporal bounds as a sort of immortality)
If the Flood is "Only" the undead zombie of the Precursors, then the Endless as a living version of them, with the potential to be reborn into full Precursors, then I could indeed see how Cortana could see them as being even more threatening than the Flood.
Probably shoehorned in by 343…
The amount of times she quotes the gravemind in the game and in the rubicon protocol leads me to believe the endless are nothing else other than precursor in origin
Precursors were said to each be eldritch gods that would sometimes reincarnate themselves as seemingly regular species in the galaxy. The primordial made itself into the flood. Some precursors became plantlike lifeforms after the flood war. Calling it now, the endless are a form of precursors too.
@@revolverocelot1380maybe the endless could be a splinter faction of the precursors that didn’t believe in becoming space dust and turned themselves into the endless
Read the new books bro
I have a theory that the Endless are a group of Precursors who, instead of turning into the powdered form that later became the Flood, would digitize themselves and become a digital species perhaps existing isolated outside of the Domain. Through the passage of time they end up creating several biological forms for themselves to inhabit and dissipate their precursor "consciousness" throughout the species with the intention of developing to the point they could overthrow the Forerunners. It's not a great or compelling theory, but it's the only thing that came to mind when playing Infinite with the information we were given in that game.
There was that one audio log where the Harbinger spoke to a Marine who in a different log is said to have become mute after their conversation which sounds like the logic plague.
Thank God somebody explained the endless because I wasn't even sure if the harbinger was even a part of the endless species, because they don't explain ANYTHING throughout the campaign
The Endless: "We're immune to Halo and the Flood"
Precursors rewrite laws of reality with their neural physics magic to make them susceptible: *Surprise, mothafucka*
Bro 😂
@@Scourgeisoptimusprimeyt
I was cracking up as I was writing that, bro
😂💀
@@punishedvenomsnake716 yeah I can see why
Also the Endless: "NUH UH!!!" *starts using not-neural physics*
Meanwhile human: monkey noises planet nuke goes boom
I wonder if the ship that crashed into the halo and contained by 343 guilty spark was an endless ship. If I remember correctly, it happened pretty early after the halos had fired. perhaps they were looking for their lost comrades
I was literally just thinking about this yesterday and here you are with an endless video wtf
I telepathically read your mind and made this entire video in under 24hrs
@@HiddenXperiaI have a theory if the endless if you humor me. It slight sound wild but hear me out.
If the circle rings in the halo which symbolise a reoccurring loop. Perhaps atriox is the start of the loop starting again. The endless is not specifically a race or pre cursors.
It’s a reference to an endless loop. Atriox setting in motion what’s happened many times before, loops as the previous ones had the flood u its galaxies.
However something happened. In this universe the flood has not overwhelmed it. Maybe that’s the true test of humanity. To turn the tide and push them back in multiple universes.
This species is clearly immune or are they? I think the flood choose not too. Like with humanity in the forerunner war. When they reseeded to trick the forerunners.
@@HiddenXperia thats why you’re the goat
The Endless played with time to seemingly bring you this perfectly timed video about them.
@@alexw2794 makes sense. They seem to be psychic.
Who’s to say they’re not the Meddlers? Somebody crashed at Halo before we got there, it’s in one of the anniversary cutscenes, theres also that one Flood Map, that somebody changed the teleporters to not connect to the outside? The idea of a new species has always been hinted before
"Meddlers" has always been a generic term for "Random aliens that come from way too far away to have been affected by the previous plot"
It's also worth noting that in the 2022 halo encyclopedia, it is said that the endless have knowledge of the precurser concept of living time.
Not just knowledge, the Halo Encyc says they are “attuned” to it. This is the biggest piece of evidence that they are Reclaimers, as Living Time is described as “the Founding concept behind the Mantle of Responsibility” not only that, but the reason why the Forerunners gave themselves that name was because they knew they were the literal Forerunners of the next Species to weild Living Time…guess which species that is.
In Halo: Silentium it describes a Precursor artefact on the Didact's homeworld, Nomdagro. The Didact and IsoDadact have their back and forth there. The description of it is exactly like the ring statues on Zeta Halo in Halo Infinite. So far I seem to be the only one who's noticed this. 🤷♂️
The Encyclopedia where it said that "a few Xalanyn managed to escape from their species' imprisonment" also contradicts itself (since this would imply that the species is just another >Tier-2 species, as it also states that the xalanyn where "attuned" to living time itself, which would mean they where a tier-0 species.
PROBABLY deception + preptime caused this effect or its a WILD plot hole but if u give something. Time and opportunity I belive it ca make a box something se smarter or tougher CANT escape easily or without sacrifice
I know its off topic but The way you described the problems with the retroactive addition of the endless is almost an exactly perfect description of the problem with the timeless child in doctor who.
With the Doctor, it is dealing with a very old problem. It is saying what happens when the Doctor stops regenerating.
The one thing we know, is the Daleks have declared their intentions are to kill anyone that has either met him, or been a Companion that is not dead yet, and then destroy everyone in a massive purge.
The Timeless Child was a botched attempt to both avoid that story, and show the character keeps going.
The name Endless also implies a precursor origin, since theyre the only species who are immortal in their own way, or, put differently, the only species with an endless existence
The harbingers abilities and seemingly using the logic plague gives it away.
Endless is cringe, it doesn't exist
@@TurbanCatMccoy your face doesn’t exist
@@jakespacepiratee3740burn! 🔥
This scene of Cortana talking about the Endless after reading Epitaph hits different, poor didact can't catch a break
I wish he talked more about that in this video
Considering what the Precursors are, I'd love to see the Endless being like "We are immune to the Flood." Then an infected Endless just shows up as a giant "Lol you thought" moment because the Precursors made themselves able to infect them. They are builders of life down to the cells of life. They could do it.
The endless are likely another form of a precursor. Calling it if 343i doesn't just drop them from the story.
@@revolverocelot1380heck the endless story will probably be finished in 2 books between halo infinite and 7 then we have some new threat pop up
I don’t want the Endless to just become a arbitrary power-up for the Flood. The Flood are cool but they will always do what we expect. The Endless have actual emotions, and I personally find a thinking and feeling antagonist much more interesting to explore.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 The Gravemind does get angry occasionally, so the Flood does have feelings. And they definitely think. Obviously. But I get what you mean.
I believe the Endless are the Precurosor's selected champion for inhereting the mantle this time and humanity are the forerunners'. The immuinity the Endless have to the Halo Rings is some kind of time slipspace ability to inherently not be affected by the Halo blast some kind of existing between dimensions similar to Cryptums, Shield Worlds. However , the Endless do not know the ultimate intent of the Precursors though, they just believe they're the chosen inheritors of this universe.
On a story level, that way you don't directly dive into a precursor enemy faction and can still introduce the concepts of a bigger bad out there while giving humanity a challenge where they're not directly fighting the gods of the universe. This opens the door for client species , which I believe are referenced in the Encyclopedia (2022) and allows other creatures following them under their control of the Mantle.
I always assumed they were the precursors. There is so much that implies it in thr game, especially the audio logs.
I really hope you're right and that 343 takes the Endless in the reborn Precursors direction. When infinite first came out, I remember thinking that them being some form of Precursors was the ONLY way the Endless made sense in the greater halo story.
I think that the endless worship the precursors like the covenant worshiped the forerunners. They’re a space cult using the powers that their “gods” left behind. But the difference between the covenant and the endless is that the endless have actually been in contact to the precursors.
The precursors made the endless to be immortal for a very specific reason. They are those who care for the the sacred cycle of creation and consumption. The precursors create, the flood devour, and the endless are meant to keep the cycle going. They care for the precursors. They were granted the gift of “life grafting” which allows them to re-write life which allowed them to turn the flood back into the precursors whenever they devoured all life in the universe. However the gift of life grafting was given with one simple rule. Do not use this power to create original life out of nothing.
But when they broke that rule, and the precursors left them behind, right before the forerunners betrayed the precursors. Sot he endless were completely left out of the loop.
This sounds a lot like Star Trek Online’s treatment for the Preservers and Iconians.
Man, 343 Industries just have to hire you or at least name you as the official Catalog of the Halo lore. You have a way to tell and record stories that could match the ones of the Forerunner rate. If one of its members appears someday in one of Halo Media, 343 should hire to voice it.
Like Installation00 doesn't exist.
Sigh.
@IsuiGtz I'm subscribed to both, and I find Hiddenxperia a little more entertaining in his delivery.
Me too, but a lot less competent.@@crazy13alex
The head shape of The Harbinger is also reminiscent of the Primordial in the few pictures we have. The 2 flaps on the side of her mouth/head also look similar to the ones on the Gravemind.
Remember the dialogues released on delta halo about “meddlers” releasing the flood by accident…. If some of their species did escape and were roaming other installations, who is to say these meddlers are not the endless that escaped?
I actually really like the endless being tied to the meddlers and your old video on that topic has always been a HUGE favorite of mine! I actually think 343 did a good job of creating a mystery of a faction that seems beyond something we know. However it does mess with that amazing feeling that the meddlers gave back then. A completely unexpected mystery that made you be like woah wtf! However I think the endless (if done right) can prove to be something very special. But we need to keep a mystery to them that makes them feel very special. I want them to be this species that is truly unique to halo as we have had some subtle hints to something else out there that even bungie hinted at back in the day.
Not sure if you’ll see this but in the Halo encyclopedia in the back of the book it gives a little info on the endless and states “they somehow have the ability to manipulate various forces and energy types in unique ways including a peculiar attunement to elements of living time itself, though to what extent is unknown” I’m sure you already know this though but I think it could back up your way to fix them.
I’m so fascinated by your storytelling ability. You have a fantastical mind my friend, I thoroughly enjoy every video and learn so much from them. Being someone who hasn’t dived into the lore outside of the games.
Listen, Despondant Pyres audio logs are so good dude. I absolutely love the mystery we have in Halo again. Much better than the Created storyline.
The endless turning out to be the precursors is interesting and explains why the halos don't affect them nor why they can be infected by the flood.
You are a breath of fresh air when it comes to the lore of my favorite game series of all time. Thank you for all your videos!
To a lesser degree the Banished could also be applied to your retroactive addition critique. The way Halo Wars 2 establishes them as this new super faction that the Covenant never came close to defeating feels like an exaggeration at first because Isabel is scared. But then in Infinite they make mincemeat of the Infinity via an ambush and the game definitely wants to emphasize the Banished as the new big bad Covenant replacement. Now I like the Banished because space pirates are cool, but they do feel like the latest in a line of Covenant successors trying to fill the role for gameplay and story purposes.
No matter the state of halo infinite, hidden Xperia will still be dropping banger vids
I always thought the Harbinger looked out of place in Halo. She kinda looks like something out of Destiny or Mass Effect tbh.
Nah. Halo has always had relatively humanoid aliens. I’d be more surprised if she wasn’t humanoid.
I think the Endless just being another form of Precursors would also make the most sense.On one hand, it has that flood convertibility that would make them the most dangerous should they convert, and on another, the design of The Harbinger seems at least a little in line with the design of The Primordial.
14:05 EXACTLY! When I heard of The Endless, I was hoping they’d be a branch of the Precursors because: 1. why introduce a new race we never heard of? and 2. their name feels like something relating to Precursors, because they were omnipotent and trans-sentient.
The endless being the precursors makes logical sense to me we’ve been told of the crazy powers of precursors and to me the endless kinda looks like a smaller precursor
I initially suspected the Endless to be Precursor in origin, I mean that would explain their Immunity to the Flood.
343: "Write that down, write that down!!!" I seriously hope this is the direction they take for the Endless. They should just hire you to write their stories lol
16:10 What do you think of Installation00's theory that the flood aren't reincarnated/corrupted precursors but actually the precursors themselves?
I prefer that one. And the idea of biased information regarding the Precursors because of all of it coming from the Forerunners fits too well to be entirely wrong.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem I agree with AllMind, there's evidence in infinites NG++
Point of light disproved this with those 2 undlooded precursors.
Doesn't make sense after Outcasts revealed two living Precursors hiding away on Netherop, not a fan of theory overall tbh. The Flood being vengeance-reborn Precursors explains their motives very well
I think that The Endless are DIRECTLY connected to the Flood. If you listen to the audio logs in Infinite, the way she says "Now *I* shall talk and *you* shall listen." Literally has the same notes as Gravemind when he says it in H2.
Hidden, you COOKED with this video. If they really do this in the next game (which there seems to be a lot of evidence that that will be the case) then this could be huge for Halo
Solid theories behind the Endless, I really hope 343 has an actual plan laid out and aren't just making it all up as they go along.
@Italkmadshitlol4 and infinite have good plots. And considering how far they’ve come along and have fired those empty promise makers, I think things should be looking up
If 343 had a actual plan for the endless they would have shown up in the game they are teased throughout. Imagine in CE you get to 343 guilty spark and just as you enter the room with the flood the game ends 😂😂😂 343 have dogshit writing
@@jamiiiedee3196 Lol if you think the Endless have no planning you just weren’t paying attention out of rage. All of their lore paints a consistent picture. They probably didn’t have the Full Endless in Halo Infinite (although that would be awesome) because they wanted to give a more conventional Halo experience.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 And ALL of their lore didnt exist before Infinite.
"Planning" and Halo Infinite cannot be used in the same sentence. The story is Fucked if you dont read the books.
And it has been for the past 3 games.
Yea dude... Hectic "planning" xD
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother lol I understood halo infinite without books haha maybe you just didn’t understand because you’re simple!
I genuinely hope the Endless are Precursors, as it would tie everything together very nicely. It would set up some potential final battles for the Mantle of Responsibility too!
Endless on their KNESS!!!!!!! MEDDLERS FROM CE ON TOP!!!!!!!!
TOTAL MEDDLER VICTORY
Bro I just watched his old video on h 2 and that's what I commented
The Meddelers were Endless. I’m so certain of it. The New Halo Encyclopaedia revealed that not all Endless were imprisoned. Some of them travelled the galaxy and *other Forerunner Installations* to try and find a way to free their kind. And 343 Guilty Spark himself said that the Ship that crash-landed on Installation 04 was basically “A small reconnaissance craft” with short-range flight capabilities… implying it came from a larger fleet..
@@jakespacepiratee3740 nuh uh, forget endless, embrace meddler
@@HiddenXperia I know you won’t see this but, from the moment I saw the endless I called it that the endless were the meddlers. This was on a now deleted account, so I know you won’t believe that. If you see this you won’t believe me. So yeah.
Was anyone else disappointed by the fact that Halo 5's cliffhanger was completely disregarded by Halo Infinite and that most of its major plot points were resolved off screen? I was hoping for a more cohesive story
Nah it was garbage anyway
Ye it’s one of my biggest gripes with the game. They show us all these great character moments that could have happened on screen and made great levels. UNSC HQ getting blown up would have been a brilliant level. Leonodinas stations destruction could have given Locke actual character development. But instead we’re sat in the same boring environments all game. Grass Forerunner or Banished. Nothing else
While I didn't read Halo Epitaph, I have heard that it strongly ties off all the loose ends between Halo 4 and Halo 5. As for the Endless, eh, new fad, no idea. They may have to pull someone to pump out a novel to tie off Halo 5 and Infinite and release it 10 years from now or something.
(Lmao my comment didn't manifest wtf UA-cam. Edit: now it does, but I deleted it now)
That's kind of the 343 strategy.
Make a story, people have complaints, 343 has most plotholes cliffhangers and unfinished story covered in books, make a new game either barely referencing to the previous game and books or don't reference them at all, repeat cycle.
I.E Didact books after halo 4, Created war books after halo 5
yeah infinite skipping over the guardians and cortanas defeat was really lame. it would've been much better and more epic if there was an actual fight against her.
The Endless felt like a last minute addition, a shot in the dark.
I just kinda figured they were another child species of the precursors. Cousins to the flood
I think that’s possible too. In Halo: Outcasts we learn that 2 Precursors hid from the Forerunners on Netherop, and while there, they advanced and guided the native species. I think the Xalanyn could be an much more successful case of that.
You just convinced me on the endless being precursors. Great job.
They basically pulled what they did with The Banished when they introduced them in Halo Wars 2 when Isabelle talks about The Banished and how they are worse than The Covenant.. but nobody has ever heard of them before somehow
another reason why the endless are worse than the flood is that they can access neural physics easier compared to the latter, as it needs at least a gravemind to distort local slipspace whilst a single endless can bend time on their own
The ring artefacts on zeta halo being precursor makes sense. If the halo rings functioned the same as shield worlds, the life on them surviving, then so would the precursor ruins. Although, we don't need to speculate about that, because we DO see surviving precursor ruins on delta halo in halo 2.
Honestly. The real reason the endless were created, in my opinion. Is that the game is rated T for teen. Losing that mature rating means losing the flood. I really think that’s why they did it.
I mean obviously the endless hasn’t been this thing they have been playing for decades. They just needed a new bad that wasn’t full on horror zombies and they added it. And they just say oh yeah the rings don’t affect them…
HiddenXperia you’re the most Evil April fools prankster.
April fools was 9 days ago.
@@v4skunk739some ppl joke until April is over with
Tbh last year was Arguably more evil cuz I was in limbo of either thinking it was fake or real. Because I always forget what day it is.
@eric8031 who tf does that?
@@Roy_Dudson civilized people
This was amazing boss you really give something to the halo lore even tho we have so much but still the endless. You might be on to something here
The endless is an unnecessary over cluttering of the forerunner era of Halo lore and undermines the core plot of the forerunner flood war.
The Precursors feared the Endless because they’re immune to the Flood. After the last book DROPPED A BOMB on the lore, the Endless are the only species that can resist the ‘true purpose’ of life in the galaxy.
Nice to see notifications working today!
I agree luke , the flood ARE the most important thing in halo , so not seeing them again because random dev said "nuh huh" really pissed me off
love how all the precursor art is from rythaze, at this point 343 should be commisioning him to make official art
How he doesn't work for a major AAA studio as head of concept art yet is beyond me, the dude is INSANELY talented
That's actually a really cool idea for multiple reasons. Some went down a one path (the flood), others to the endless. Oh there's so many cool things they could do with that dynamic. They could hate each other. They could work together. Either way, bad news for us. The Halos could be made an issue again because the endless want to sanitize the galaxy of their flood relatives. It also makes sense they would be immune because they had the ability to choose being flood in the first place.
They've got a fine line to walk when it comes to explaining the Endless. The "our truth" thing was annoying because there's no such thing. There's only the truth. So 343i has to explain the Endless without invalidating everything we've invested decades in with the previous games. What's destroyed so many other franchises already is putting down the things/characters that came before to make the new stuff seem more important or impressive when they aren't. Respect the fans and everything that's come before in the lore, and they'll do okay.
My guy, 343 already invalidated almost the entirety of Bungie-era lore.
@HiddenXperia Thank you for making the Precursor connection. It's been driving me nuts that I've heard nobody else recognize the narrative links.
You should make a video about the master chief surviving in the malevolent creek
you mean humancovenant cheeks
you mean nipple academy
*space ‘Nam flashbacks intensify*
YES! Back to form, really enjoying this video
The ONLY way I see any of this making sense, is that if the Endless were a non-seeded species. We know that *ALL* life in Halo was seeded by the Precursors, but if the Endless evolved by random chance outside of the Precursor's seeding, that'd give them a hypothetical genetic immunity to The Flood, and potentiall the Halos. We know that while thw Flood can "corrupt" technology, it's not the same as organic assimilation, plus, the Halos don't affect technology either. So what if the Endless possess genetics that are independant, and don't use D.N.A.? They could still 100% be carbon based (maybe carbon and silicon HYBRID), but using WHOLLY incompatible genetic codes, and having a nervous system wildy different to all other life could prevent both thw Halos and Flood from affecting them.
12:55 this also the fact that we haven’t gotten any new material regarding the endless since infinite came out. I get if it wasn’t planned cause it clearly isn’t based on anything either studios have developed in the past, but like you said at the beginning of the video, we are coming up to 3 years since Infinite came out, yet we know next to nothing. If they are the next big threat, then it’s time to show it
Im a simple man. I see a video about the Flood and I hit like 👌
I completely agree. I was actually discussing this with my friend after we finished the campaign. The only logical step is to make the Endless Precursors.
My brother in Christ, we all know that 343's Halo was a forced meme as we all know that the original intent was that the forerunners were actually themselves human which is the only way anything that Guilty Spark says makes sense.
God man, you need to get into 343 and their writing team. You'd do so much good for the franchise.
gonna be honest I don’t care about the endless at all and literally would prefer *any* story during or before the covenant war, but I can see why they could be a fun shakeup of the lore “going forward” (in theory)
Wish we’d gotten an actual game about the battle for the blood moon or infinity’s fall. I feel like 343 depicts all of the major and action pact events in books or short stories and leaves the games for all of the irrelevant events
I was actually about to look into the Endless since I assumed enough time had past since the game released and new info has dropped. Perfect timing you iconic lad
I will never forgive 343 for how badly they butchered Halo's story and worldbuilding
I think the exact same thing! I believe that the endless are definitely precursors.
Why are the endless stamped front and back with the marathon logo?
@Italkmadshitlol
Don't blame 343 for what Microsoft did to them.
@FireFox64000000 You all need to stop blaming Microsoft every time 343 fumbles the bag. 343 is the one who continues to destroy the franchise and the only fault Microsoft has is not having fired them yet
@@danilosardo1179 fr tho
@Italkmadshitlol
No they're just the ones that are actually forcing 343 to outsource everything. Literally telling 343 that Halo will get by on the brand alone and they don't need to worry about quality.
@@danilosardo1179 you haven't paid much attention to the news have you.
It's wild to me that you somehow manage to put good content out with such little news etc from the studio. keep it up!
My good sir you have the insanity of a manatee, I like the video 😎
I like that phrase
@@HiddenXperia 😎
It is exciting to see where this could go! You are incredibly accurate with the old mystery of the forerunners! Exploring halo ce for the first time not knowing anything about the mysterious folks that built it or why the covenant hate us, I miss it
too bad Microsoft gave up on Halo or we could be hyped for a new one soon
I'm gonna be honest I thought the endless were the precursors until watching this video. I just now realized it hasn't been said if they are. If they are not then that is ridiculous. I really hope they are 🙏
For me the only thing that could make the endless like legit and not just Shonen aded bad guy is, if the precursor are the reason of their existence like as a last tool for the flood to test or devour everything. BUT I would love for the ultimate bad guy in the Halo universe to be a Galaxy precursor consumed by the ancient flood that come back to our galaxy to finish the fight
I have never wanted one of your theories to be true as much as this one. Honestly the theory about the endless being precursors that didn’t become the flood would make a sick halo storyline. Imagine the flood vs precursors, two species derived from the original precursors with clashing ideals on the future of the galaxy with humanity stuck in the middle.
Halo 7?
Mabey 343 is just having us find out about the endless as the master chief is
Halo 7 gonna be about Jimmy Rings
With 50% of the gameplay being sex scenes...
@@mitwhitgaming7722 and the other 50% being cutscenes or fighting around without armor
@mitwhitgaming7722
Including quick time events reminiscent of God of War 3 when Kratos claps athropdite except it's master cheeks in first person for the player's viewing pleasue. 😂
Nah it’s likely that Halo7 will be called “Halo: the Endless” which is a great sign they aren’t abandoning the current story.
What about Dustin Echoes? Huh!?
Their outfit design look like Makyr race in Doom Eternal.
Pretty awesome right?
I love how the entire halo community is completely dogging this clown. 😂😂😂
I hope that someone, somewhere in 343i’s campaign/writing team got a notification on their phone today for a new HiddenXperia video. 😔😭
Alright now we just have to hope they keep the story going and not start over again 😭
Good thing they haven't started over at all with the story
Damn, this was such an interesting lore video and so well made man. Thanks for uploading!
Somehow Endless Survived.
that's what bothers me about them, it's too similar.
Lol man yall are obsessed with that line...like somehow it actually is something bad. But hey, hating it has become your life
I really hope they handle their story well
Quite Expectedly, the Endless Survived. We have seen from the Primordial that Precursors on their own can survive the Halo Array.
@@markricheard1870 If they go with the Endless being a spin off of the Precursors, they really need to make them a stronger threat, because the Harbinger wasn't really what I'd expect from a Precursor.
Precursors were kept because they have no nervous system to be exploited, so Forerunners saw them as rivals. They were capable of some tech, evident in looking at the Harbingers armor and powers
What if the endless are the actual chosen ones for the mantel of responsibility. History might have been re written along the line and what we know as true might not be.
19:00 oh hey you agree 😂
Apologies in advance for this rant... but...
I think this is why people generally don't like Halo anymore - they took it way too far with everything.
In the original trilogy, the Forerunners being long gone were the awe-inspiring part of the game that made you feel like this is what Humanity's potential could reach. The Flood being the nightmare, the Covenant being your challenge. It was simple. It wasn't complicated in the slightest and it told a great story.
The Precursor back-story to the flood was good for the lore, but it doesn't require any involvement of them in the game beyond being the flood...
But now we have:
The Banished - which is just a crap version of the covenant; too serious, and not cannon-fodder.
The Prometheans
The Didact (a living forerunner - which should never have happened)
Four versions of Spartans...
The Endless
A rampant Cortana
Ancient living Precursors
It's like the writers of the Halo Universe games have absolutely no direction for the story or understanding of what made the original trilogy so great. They didn't need to add all this extra shit into the lore to overcomplicate it... not every new game has to introduce a new mega enemy that's an immense threat. The only reason I see why they've done that is so that they *can* release a new game, and as such because the original trilogy was tied up nicely, they decided to introduce several new threats just to try and surprise the player, and all it has done is push a very dedicated fan base away from their games.
EDIT:
I love how after posting this massive rant, and then continuing to watch your video, you've actually touched up on this.
It does feel extremely forced, and I think it is, just so they can ship a new game with "Halo" in the title.
What they should've done instead is created a means for humanity to travel intergalactically to quell the flood infestations that have been growing for millions of years in the other galaxies. You could quite easily write into the story new enemies and new threats in that setting without dwarfing the impact of the events of the original trilogy.
Heading into battle with the new united species (Sanghelli, Unggoy, Human, Shan'shyuum) in a new galaxy to fight the flood? I'd be down for that. Fighting a half dozen new threats in the same galaxy you've just unified and saved? Yawn.
Let's be honest, with 343s track record on new games, the next Halo will be 1yr later, we've left Zeta Halo behind with No lore dump, the Endless have been stopped/defeated/kept sealed off screen, Infinity is back in space with a whole crew to restaff it, and we May get Lasky back..... Probably as a Spartan V
The problem with halos story is that you can only have so many “greatest threat” events before it gets silly. The covenant were the greatest threat, then the flood twist, and after both were defeated now what? Well actually there’s a new greatest threat, and a new one, and a new one etc. now it’s like a marvel movie with a new supervillain every 5 minutes
Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the Flood also immune to the Halos? In CE at least the halos are stated to only kill the Flood’s food, starving them to death, but not actually hurting the Flood directly.
Assuming that is true, and that the Endless are reincarnated Precursors, it would explain why the Endless survived the halos: the Precursors are immune to the Halos. The Endless survived where the Flood didn’t because the Endless still had food.
That's what I thought too... because the Precursors are themselves immune, just not their "food".
@Italkmadshitlolhey wait a minute, if 343 Hates Halo, how could they make FAN Fiction? Lol it makes sense that the Halo Array kills the Flood because the Flood aren’t true Precursors, they are deeply twisted and corrupted.
I really hope in future games or comics we get more dive into obscure places and races, like the underwater forerunner temple/maybe precursors from the dazreme underwater homeworld
I know this is a controversial opinion but I actually find the Endless a bit cooler than the Flood. We have seen the Flood many times and they will always do things that we expect. We know what they are and where they come from so they don’t have much “Eldrich and unknowable” feeling to me. I really find it cool how the Xalanyn can use frickin Magic and seems to have a big connection to the Mantle of Responsibility. What separates them from the Flood to me is that they have Emotions. The Xalanyn has wants, desires, feelings of pain, and even fear. We can’t really get that from the Flood. This is also why I grew to like the Created, because Chief having to fight and potentially kill the AI he loved is very emotionally powerful…. Until Halo Infinite killed her off with no Created Army confrontation or anything. Which is ultimately fine as I think the Endless are more fascinating and unique!
The banished were also never mentioned before Halo wars 2.
Who wins? The Started or the Endless?
Endless definitely.
additional theory, the whole thing with the endless could possibly be that they were a warrior race created by some of the precursors who didnt become the flood dust or just run away. and as a result are technically precursor in origin with the aim of reclaiming the mantle through force but after discovering the forerunners plan they decided to bide their time by just ended up being captured, alot of holes in this theory but it would make it fit in a little more, or maybe they were intended to be a two pronged attack with the flood.