This was cool, but I def wanna see a bigger shell for diplomacy. Copying stompers or titans of industry feels much more satisfying than making a couple drakes that die to a meathook
Yeah man, I faced a deck with mutate the other day, opponent kept casting all creatures individually, the one time he dropped a mutate over a creature I copied it and instantly won the game, it was hilarious
Was typing the mobile explanation for slow play when you mentioned it. I'm that frustrating guy so ty for catching yourself. I could go on for paragraphs about how many things get stuck under each other or ui elements.
I have a version of this that is brutal in the standard ladder. It runs the 1/1 double strike that connives whenever it is targeted and Dorothea, Vengeful Victim. Dorothea can be a good early blocker/removal fodder, or just fodder for a connive, and then the disturb side becomes a brutal win condition with Ivy. If you copy the disturb aura, it summons an extra 8/8 in flying angels each attack. Sadly, I think Duplimancy makes the deck too top-heavy, as most games end before you can really get any value out of it (ie. Ivy is better as an aggro build in my eyes). That said, Duplimancy has been absolutely brutal in my Yorion flicker EDH deck (it's stupid with Ephemerate), and is cool in my Niv-Mizzet deck (good luck ever removing Niv if I get them out together).
I gave that a spin, and it's sweet. Agree that Duplimancy is usually too slow to matter. One card that doesn't show up in this list that worked surprisingly well (both with Light-Paws and Dorothea) was Radiant Grace, having all creatures enter tapped really ruins hasty aggro's day.
I'm playing something similar as well, no Duplimancy as it is just too win more for my taste. The card that blew my mind he wasn't playing is the instant that grants shield to the creature. Can't think of the name at the moment, but it has been an all-star with Ivy and allowed my board to hang around long enough to get things wrapped up.
I appreciate you exposing the flaws in your decks and not hiding it to be something it's not or better than it is. Match 1 really showed how too many pain lands can basically cause suicide xD Would like to add that this was exactly the deck I was looking for to help me build something around Ivy and Vesuvan Duplimancy, thank you
10:45 Unlike the creature sagas, Dormant Grove just flips, it doesn't exile and come back. So it doesn't have haste, but that didn't matter. Interestingly, that means it mattered which of the two triggers resolved first.
"It could have been a trap" You really think somebody would do that? Just send the GGs when it is not actually game yet? I cant imagine what type of monster would do that.
I think adding slip out the back might be a great include to the deck, because it is the one spell that can save your creature from anything, and can help you stop some of there attacks.
note to self. shutting down Seth's card draw is just about the meanest thing you can do to him. just like in spiderman: THE HEART OSBOURNE, YOU GO AFTER HIS HEART! and Card draw truly is where Seth's heart is.
I'm legit starting to wonder if basics are better than the pain lands in most standard decks. the izzet decks might need them but other than that basics might be better
Hey, Seth! Love the theme of the deck, though I think Duplimancy is closer to a trap than a reasonable playable. I think I would prefer some mix of Shore Up and Slip Out the Back as additional ways to dodge removal. Slip is particularly good against sweepers.
Do a standard deck focused on Defenders. Nutty combo is Duplimacy with the Whiye defender that makes 1/1 birds. Another nutty combo is a White/Blue/Green standard Shrines with Duplimacy
Been experimenting with Wizard tribal and duplimancy, multiple triggers for aether channeler off of Naban, Dean of iteration is incredibly fun. Not to mention how crazy it gets with Vodalian Mindsinger retriggers
I think Ivy is a fascinating little Fae and a wonderful addition to the tribe BUT her strongest position is in Commander. She doesn't need too many Simic sources being so small and able to dupe small spells as easily as large and people should take advantage of that as there's just SO MANY FUN THINGS she can do. But not really in standard I think. ^^;;;
"People think Sheodred is bad." Wait what? Really? That card is not insanely good, but it certainly is good value and a solid counter to a lot of things.
45:00 Seth you're my favorite MTG content creator but I don't really know if you have any standing to criticize the opponent for playing slow when you constantly look away from the game and get distracted by chat while streaming. :P
This is actually pretty competitive archetype if you take out the Vesuvian non sense and just focus on protecting and growing the dorks Also the Cradle of Safety should just be Shore Up, 1 mana is a lot less than 2
Sheltering Bough : Bough is pronounced like bow, like bending at the waist, not bow, the thing that shoots arrows. Another example is bao, the chinese dumpling.
Nobody can explain what is supposed to be the purpose of running pain lands in your decks when there are similar mana configurations on other lands that don't make it mandatory that you take damage to tap for the mana.
I am sorry seth. perhaps in current standard sheoldred overperforms, but overall i think she is just a decent card in pioneer and older formats. Your deck is sweet, but almost non- interaktive. I am not surprised you struggle against sheoldred. Still, nice vid as usual.
You're stuck on a rut... all of your mana bases look the same. You should really do more decks with the capenna sac lands, the +1 life is more significant than your giving it credit for.
This sadly mostly seems, to me, to be a story that Duplimancy is toooooo slow for this kind of build archetype. I could see it maybe doing over the top things well with more control in the early game? But it felt like you won most of the games in spite of your strategy not going off, or well before it could.
yeah... not a fan of the paid lands. almost think it is better to run a number of the common tapped dual lands instead of a full set of the pain lands.
That is really disappointing. It seems that Duplimancy is just a burden in your deck. That's unfortunate. It seems like it could be a really fun card. You have to build around the weaknesses in your deck created from having it and the mechanics required to make it good to begin with. I tried to make a Duplimancy/defender deck, but the standard defenders really suck at defending blocks.
I’ve now realized why you only play Arena formats after a new set is released: because the formats on Arena get so stale so fast that you only have a very short window in which to play creative decks before the formats are solved and the top couple decks completely dominate. I myself am thankful Arena doesn’t include good eternal formats like pioneer, modern & legacy, since Arena has just too much flair and is hard to follow from a viewer’s (at least this viewer’s) perspective. Looking forward to next week.
End of game one, not that it matters, but after you give Ivy indestructible you can choose to copy Fateful Absence on her for a free clue.
This is my favourite type of sweet, niche tech
The way Seth stares off into the distance in the first couple seconds kinda creeps me out... 😂
Hey reading from a script is hard ok.
Fun fact about tamiyo’s safekeeping, it actually says target permanent so it can actually protect your enchantments as well!
You can even cast it on a land for the life in a pinch.
This was cool, but I def wanna see a bigger shell for diplomacy. Copying stompers or titans of industry feels much more satisfying than making a couple drakes that die to a meathook
Seth I think you know what to do… duplimancy rhino in modern
Duplicate panharmonicons you mean?
@@peetftw3461 absolutely!
Look forward to every upload Seth. You're my favorite content creator!
To expound upon this, I think Thalia duplomancy stax would be hilarious.
Godspeed to the madmen making zur duplimancy decks.
I've been doing a similar concept with mutate instead of auras and it's a ton of fun
That sounds wild and I love it lol
@@jester5974 Duplimancy copies the whole mutate pile and hilarity ensues
Yeah man, I faced a deck with mutate the other day, opponent kept casting all creatures individually, the one time he dropped a mutate over a creature I copied it and instantly won the game, it was hilarious
Was typing the mobile explanation for slow play when you mentioned it. I'm that frustrating guy so ty for catching yourself. I could go on for paragraphs about how many things get stuck under each other or ui elements.
I have a version of this that is brutal in the standard ladder. It runs the 1/1 double strike that connives whenever it is targeted and Dorothea, Vengeful Victim. Dorothea can be a good early blocker/removal fodder, or just fodder for a connive, and then the disturb side becomes a brutal win condition with Ivy. If you copy the disturb aura, it summons an extra 8/8 in flying angels each attack. Sadly, I think Duplimancy makes the deck too top-heavy, as most games end before you can really get any value out of it (ie. Ivy is better as an aggro build in my eyes). That said, Duplimancy has been absolutely brutal in my Yorion flicker EDH deck (it's stupid with Ephemerate), and is cool in my Niv-Mizzet deck (good luck ever removing Niv if I get them out together).
I gave that a spin, and it's sweet. Agree that Duplimancy is usually too slow to matter. One card that doesn't show up in this list that worked surprisingly well (both with Light-Paws and Dorothea) was Radiant Grace, having all creatures enter tapped really ruins hasty aggro's day.
I'm playing something similar as well, no Duplimancy as it is just too win more for my taste. The card that blew my mind he wasn't playing is the instant that grants shield to the creature. Can't think of the name at the moment, but it has been an all-star with Ivy and allowed my board to hang around long enough to get things wrapped up.
Do you have a decklist ? :)
@@henry.daniels I tried to post a link, but don't see it. Maybe getting eaten by spam filter? Might show up eventually but here's the text list.
Deck
2 Vesuvan Duplimancy
3 Adarkar Wastes
4 Light-Paws, Emperor's Voice
2 Plains
3 Combat Research
4 Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief
1 Forest
4 Dorothea, Vengeful Victim // Dorothea's Retribution
3 Katilda, Dawnhart Martyr // Katilda's Rising Dawn
4 Brine Comber // Brinebound Gift
3 Tamiyo's Safekeeping
1 Radiant Grace // Radiant Restraints
4 Spara's Headquarters
3 Yavimaya Coast
1 Boseiju, Who Endures
3 Island
4 Overgrown Farmland
1 Otawara, Soaring City
1 Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire
1 Deserted Beach
2 Serra Paragon
2 Witness Protection
1 Raffine's Guidance
1 Security Bypass
1 Cradle of Safety
1 Nurturing Presence
I really love Ivy and want to see her work. If you have a decklist I would love to check it out.
I appreciate you exposing the flaws in your decks and not hiding it to be something it's not or better than it is.
Match 1 really showed how too many pain lands can basically cause suicide xD
Would like to add that this was exactly the deck I was looking for to help me build something around Ivy and Vesuvan Duplimancy, thank you
10:45 Unlike the creature sagas, Dormant Grove just flips, it doesn't exile and come back. So it doesn't have haste, but that didn't matter. Interestingly, that means it mattered which of the two triggers resolved first.
"It could have been a trap" You really think somebody would do that? Just send the GGs when it is not actually game yet? I cant imagine what type of monster would do that.
Can anyone find the video where Seth did that now that you reminded me lol
I think adding slip out the back might be a great include to the deck, because it is the one spell that can save your creature from anything, and can help you stop some of there attacks.
I pulled off one of these in a prerelease and it's some of the most fun I've had playing magic
note to self. shutting down Seth's card draw is just about the meanest thing you can do to him. just like in spiderman: THE HEART OSBOURNE, YOU GO AFTER HIS HEART! and Card draw truly is where Seth's heart is.
14:05 it pains me to see you let your enchantment die then cycle safekeeping
He just valued more the draw than the enchantment
I think all the runes would be a great addition to this deck for constructed formats. With all the pain lands, rune of sustenance would help a lot
Not in standard anymore
@@eatachodeutube unfortunately
I'm legit starting to wonder if basics are better than the pain lands in most standard decks. the izzet decks might need them but other than that basics might be better
3 to 5 no more than that
@@domri4203 exactly, 3 to 5 pain lands and no more
Hey, Seth! Love the theme of the deck, though I think Duplimancy is closer to a trap than a reasonable playable. I think I would prefer some mix of Shore Up and Slip Out the Back as additional ways to dodge removal. Slip is particularly good against sweepers.
Do a standard deck focused on Defenders.
Nutty combo is Duplimacy with the Whiye defender that makes 1/1 birds.
Another nutty combo is a White/Blue/Green standard Shrines with Duplimacy
The way he goes from high pitched Muppet voice to old guy who smokes too much growl...I mean how could you not love this guy 😆
I honestly wonder if you'd be better off building this as basic Simic Tempo? Splashing into White seemed really painful.
A one of mirror box could be fun
The time stamp for match 3 is wrong in the description
Well that has been the greatest amount of crabs I've ever seen Channelled.
I was looking for this right when the video popped up!!
This card is edh madness material
Sheoldred gonna wreck a lot of fun deck ideas
What a nice deck.
Seems like a quite good replacement for simic magecraft/orvar copy.
I think this will be my new favourite deck. Thanks!
Been experimenting with Wizard tribal and duplimancy, multiple triggers for aether channeler off of Naban, Dean of iteration is incredibly fun. Not to mention how crazy it gets with Vodalian Mindsinger retriggers
I think Ivy is a fascinating little Fae and a wonderful addition to the tribe BUT her strongest position is in Commander. She doesn't need too many Simic sources being so small and able to dupe small spells as easily as large and people should take advantage of that as there's just SO MANY FUN THINGS she can do.
But not really in standard I think. ^^;;;
This deck is absolutely hilarious in the mirror match.
"People think Sheodred is bad." Wait what? Really? That card is not insanely good, but it certainly is good value and a solid counter to a lot of things.
Can you pls do a short from your lose reaction in game 3 match 2 @31:18
mh uhuhuhuuhh 😂😂😂 love it 🤙🏼
Duplimancy and Naban, Dean of Iteration, Naru Meha could be pretty janky fun.
I am definitely going to be building a Duplimancy deck, I don't even care if it's viable.
I think lightpaws should be luminator virtuoso
A month later and those who thought Sheoldred was bad now have data that she is Legacy-good level XD
45:00 Seth you're my favorite MTG content creator but I don't really know if you have any standing to criticize the opponent for playing slow when you constantly look away from the game and get distracted by chat while streaming. :P
the lighting on the camera was so orange, Seth looked like he was about to be elected as president of the US
Awesome video as always!
Also, for the Ebb and Flow play mats, when are they expected to ship out?
Thanks!
If you make ivy indestructible I like how you get to fateful absence your opponents creature copy absence and make a free clue 👍
Chapter bookmarks in the video have match 2 (vs mono red aggro) and 3 (domain bs) combined
Gala greeters seems like a neat include to a deck like this
I think I need to add 2 Serra Paragon to my enchantment deck. Looks like that cars just grinds so well.
So my buddy and I are brewing an ivy legacy deck because modern is tough but to be good in legacy is some true against odds
Ah yes, nothing I love more than sitting in the shade under the sheltering BOWS of a tree...
This was sweet!
This was great 👍 👌 👏 🙌 😄 🤣 👍
Nice one Seth!
Am I the only one who noticed Seth’s “3rd eye “ opening” around 17:54-17:55
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building an ivy edh deck atm. :D i hope it will be as crazy as this vid
I am still not sold on Pain lands outside of a way to gain that life back.
*Thanks for the Content* !
I`d go with Masters Rebuke rather than tailswipe. You get a +1+1 counter but it limit`s who you can fight with.
ok... this deck looks sweet.
If you're running serra paragon you should run the hideout lands. Replay a fetch and gain 3 life
This is actually pretty competitive archetype if you take out the Vesuvian non sense and just focus on protecting and growing the dorks
Also the Cradle of Safety should just be Shore Up, 1 mana is a lot less than 2
:cheer: :cheer:
SaffronOlive, the Squee in Best of Three, let's goooo
Sheoldred is why i'm playing witness protection in mono u
sign in blood with Sheoldred is nuts.
Sheltering Bough : Bough is pronounced like bow, like bending at the waist, not bow, the thing that shoots arrows.
Another example is bao, the chinese dumpling.
what UI card tracker are you using Seth?
25:45 was hoping to see opp play Drag to the bottom 😅
Nobody can explain what is supposed to be the purpose of running pain lands in your decks when there are similar mana configurations on other lands that don't make it mandatory that you take damage to tap for the mana.
im just curious why you never targeted ivy while duplimancy was on the field. could have had so much more value with 2 ivy's on the field
"I think our opponent is just a fan of ropes" 😳
my notes after watching this is "-4 diplomacy"
This makes me miss Fizz decks on LoR
I feel like this is more of a shell for some sort of light paws bogle deck
Both Ivy and Duplimancy also work with Mutate
this is quite reminiscent of feather decks but simic
my favorite land Ay-Jano lol
I am sorry seth. perhaps in current standard sheoldred overperforms, but overall i think she is just a decent card in pioneer and older formats.
Your deck is sweet, but almost non- interaktive. I am not surprised you struggle against sheoldred.
Still, nice vid as usual.
I think this deck is misssing a couple of katilda, dawnhart martyr
What happened to match 3?
It's kinda painful to see you play Otawara as a land and then the opponent resolves a must-answer creature.
Tail swipe targets two creatures sadly, it wouldn't work for me at least
You're stuck on a rut... all of your mana bases look the same. You should really do more decks with the capenna sac lands, the +1 life is more significant than your giving it credit for.
Maybe an Illuminator Virtuoso?
you know safekeeping could of saved your enchantment in game 1 right? sure no card draw but i think its fine
Yea arena on mobile rn is really laggy no idea why. My phone is no slouch either
This sadly mostly seems, to me, to be a story that Duplimancy is toooooo slow for this kind of build archetype. I could see it maybe doing over the top things well with more control in the early game? But it felt like you won most of the games in spite of your strategy not going off, or well before it could.
yeah... not a fan of the paid lands. almost think it is better to run a number of the common tapped dual lands instead of a full set of the pain lands.
Vasevy Duplimancy
That is really disappointing. It seems that Duplimancy is just a burden in your deck. That's unfortunate. It seems like it could be a really fun card. You have to build around the weaknesses in your deck created from having it and the mechanics required to make it good to begin with.
I tried to make a Duplimancy/defender deck, but the standard defenders really suck at defending blocks.
How many copies can you make? I can tell you right now, 250. I hate the Arena token limit.
whoooo!
I play this with jin gataxias tho
Did I play you last night?
🎉
You can’t compare everything to panharmonicon seth, this card is nothing like it lol
I’ve now realized why you only play Arena formats after a new set is released: because the formats on Arena get so stale so fast that you only have a very short window in which to play creative decks before the formats are solved and the top couple decks completely dominate. I myself am thankful Arena doesn’t include good eternal formats like pioneer, modern & legacy, since Arena has just too much flair and is hard to follow from a viewer’s (at least this viewer’s) perspective. Looking forward to next week.
would vesuvan duplomacy be good in the illuminator virtuoso phase out deck from this video ua-cam.com/video/rxssEQJ5sL0/v-deo.html
What's wrong with his voice?
I hate that the mana bases are always skipped over...
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