The Big 12 Almost Merged With the Pac-10 Back In 2010 | Conference Realignment | Pac-12 | Big 12
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- David Smoak, Paul Catalina, and Craig Smoak discuss their thoughts on why the Big 12 broke up back in the early 2000's, they discuss quotes from Nebraska Head Coach Tom Osborn, former Texas AD Deloss Dodds comments, and more.
With David Smoak, Paul Catalina, & Craig Smoak
Dan Beebe sucked as a commissioner and they bent over for Texas. Texas killed the Big 12 when I believe they were the best conference in the nation.
At that time, after the attempt for the Southern Six tried to go to Pac Conference, the remaining members after Nebraska and Colorado left, the Presidents of the Schools had a meeting to say they were committed to keeping the Big 12 for the long term. Missouri said they would be part of the Big 12. The absolute NEXT day, the President of Oklahoma said they had all options open. Missouri decided right then and there to explore the SEC with Texas A&M, who always wanted to go east for the SEC. Oklahoma and Texas were always ready to wreck the conference.
Missouri had one foot out of the door since Big 8 Days. The Big 10 had no interest in them. This is why they ended up in the SEC.
Texas has destroyed every conference it has been a part of. Good luck, SEC. Be careful what you wish for.
This Maryland alumnus is glad in retrospect Texas never joined the Big Ten. Austin is a wonderful academic institution, but athletically it has never learned how to play well with others.
@@VincentPaterno-hs2fv Never formally invited.......Texas are NOT team players. Gonna get hammered in SEC!
@@VincentPaterno-hs2fvTexas will get embarrassed when they join the SEC cause it's not the Big 12
@@juliansmith1951 No I think Texas will find it isn't so easy to win in the SEC they feel it might be.
@@VincentPaterno-hs2fv Texas and the Texas Legislature + the Governor of Texas did a lot to destabilize the SWC and the Big 12.
That would have been a cool conference straddling the Rockies.
I hate the Longhorns
Imagine if the Southwest Conference had merged with the Pac-10 (instead of the Big 8 Conference) in the '90s... paving the way for a Big Ten / Big-8 merger ... and an SEC/ACC merger ...
Texas almost ruined 2 conference's in 20 years. It will be interesting to see if they have money flex in the $EC. They won't be dealing with the kstates,, tex techs, Baylors, and iowa states this time.
Down to only 8 teams after Mizzou and TAMU opted for the SEC, the Big XII was unable to complete a round-robin football schedule and fulfill its TV contracts. Simultaneously, the Big East football conference became increasingly unstable with Pitt and 'Cuse announcing they would leave after their upcoming seasons. The Big XII needed two sports-worthy schools immediately. Alas, WVU went to court and settled for $20 million to exit the BE immediately. TCU reconsidered and withdrew its agreement to join the BE Conference in spite of its automatic-qualifier to BCS post-season play. The Big XII suddenly became a 10-team conference and was able to complete its football schedule and fulfill TV contracts.
Boston College was also in the Big East........West Virginia ALWAYS wanted to join the ACC. So did UCONN, but their academics lagged Pittsburgh, Syracuse and BC........Texas and Oklahoma leaving eliminates marque football names.......Kansas is the name in basketball! I live in the Northeast.......Its clear people outside the area are clueless about UConn......Enough!
There’s a reality that the big12 takes auburn and the sec gets wv
@@nickloughren1919When was Auburn ever a potential mover in conference realignment?
@@joeblow7407 If the ACC loses teams WVU and UCONN would make good additions, along with East Carolina and Navy. Kansas would make a good addition due to the ACC's basketball legacy but they may feel too loyal to the BIG 12 for that.
@@ExhaultedPoobah The ACC is NOT losing anyone....This realignment crap is now getting dumb!!!! Clemson and Florida State remain. Tulane would be a good ACC team. Navy is a member of the PATRIOT LEAGUE along with ARMY......They are in the AAC ONLY for football. Kansas and Oklahoma State could be next for SEC! LOL
Longhorns suck they killed every conference that were in Southwest conference Big12 and soon to be Sec ..
They may try to harm the SEC for their advantage, but I doubt that will ever work. Texas has gotten into a spot where they now have little real power to affect anything. SEC universities are already laughing at them.
Nebraska left for one reason…Texas! What crystallized it for Nebraska was they looked around the conference and every time there was a vote it was 11 to 1. None of the other schools would vote with Nebraska. They would always vote with Texas and Nebraska. Finally just said you know what we have an option. We have a great option and we’re going to take advantage of it! The conference became to Texascentric
A&M was supposed to go pac too. Loftin was told to sit tight, texas will take care of A&M. He instead researched a&m’s best option, and found out that texas was locked into the lhn and not divulging that info to the pac
The rumor was that the remaining Big 12 would merge with the Big East
Or that those left behind - Iowa State, K-State, Kansas, Baylor - would join that silly hybrid.
-West Virginia would be in the SEC
- the ACC and B10 would be the same
- The Big east might last longer with Football only schools with Bosie state, Utah, and others. Or Basketball only schools brake the same way they do, But the American athletes confrence is way “better” and have teams from California to Florida.
@@47knives Does ANYONE care!!!!!..........West Virginia ALWAYS wanted to join the ACC....but didn't cut it academically. Neither did UConn.....
Would have been pathetic!
@@joeblow7407 WVU will always lag academically until it changes its mission statement, as a land grant university, to admit any WV resident who wants a college education with minimal admission requirements. Establishing a feeder system of branch campuses that admit marginal students would be a great start. However, the current state government is more focused on cultural issues.
Its funny seeing these dudes with a texas size blind spot. These big 12 homer dudes associate the beginning of the recent era of realignment with nebraska and a&m.
The obvious beginning of the recent era was with miami and BC, and VT/notSyracuse leaving the Big East. This move was way more significant than A&M and Nebraska
Good point.....because a group of schools moved to the ACC whereas Nebraska and A&M were individual teams.....I like the Big 12.........but with Yormark so clueless they are in trouble........A big push by the ACC eliminates the Big 12 from relevance.........If the ACC wanted to they could probably poach both West Virginia and TCU who would BOTH absolutely wanna join the ACC..........Big 12 in trouble!!!! Playing a very weak hand.......
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@@joeblow7407You think TCU wants to join the ACC and get stuck with their TV contract until 2036? I try to be charitable with hot takes but that’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard all week
Longhorns will be Middle of the pack Nobody cares about Tu most underrated team in Texas
@@joeykelly5642 Not to mention that half of the ACC schools recently were trying to figure out a way to get around their current GorR because they know that by 2036, there will be a huge gap in $$$ between them and everyone else. Heck, I think even UCF will be making more money than Florida State and Miami.
So it was actually the Big 12 South that was going to merge with the Pac 10 (not the entire Big 12).
There was never a chance that any university outside of UT would have even been accepted by the PAC due to low academic standards.. All of this is just urban legend.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 I hear the academic argument and it makes sense to a degree, but in my time at Iowa State (mid to late '90s), I never heard anyone say that the school's academic prestige was enhanced by being in the same conference as AAU members Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Texas and Nebraska. Including ISU, half the conference was AAU members, but I only remember how the conference was a mid-continent conference that was strong athletically. I don't see Pac schools in a lesser academic light because non AAU members Oregon State and Washington State are in it. Pac schools stand on their own academic merit based on how difficult it is to get into them, etc., but I will admit being in the same conference as 9 other AAU members moves the needle, just not as much as maybe we are made to think.
Tech & OSU got played
I like that 365 Bears ball cap. How can I get one?
If I'm reading that quote correctly, that means that had Nebraska knew about the LHN sticking point killing the deal and making the whole thing fall through, they would have stayed in the Big 12?? I guess they're at 11 instead of 10 in that scenario and the Big 12 could have taken BYU instead of watching BYU go indy for a decade plus.
It's almost certain that the PAC would've commanded better TV deals and GORs had the Oklahoma schools, Texas, and TTU joined. Especially now that the PAC is still waiting for a tv deal to be done, had those four schools been in the conference, they'd not only have a TV deal, but they may have had one that rivals or possibly even dwarfs the one the B1G has. The LA schools would not have left a conference that had OU and Texas. too much brand power and pipelines to CA and TX recruiting would be too much to leave.
The PAC would never have taken either OU or OSU for academic reasons. Tech was caught in the same spot. Texas was able to leave but was convinced by the Legislature in Austin not to do it. There is no evidence supporting your claim.
Wait.. the Longhorn network saved the Big12? It kept the Big12 south in the Big12??
It also divided Texas from the rest of us. It was a stumbling block that convinced Nebraska and Colorado to look elsewhere.
That was then, this is now.
Back then BU would have been our. Pac wanted Texas, OU, Tech and OSU!
Usc didn't want to lose to osu, was another problem
They need to change the name of the conference from the pac-12 to the woke 12
Thank GOD we didn't
Don't you worry, Kansas. You've been irrelevant for so long, you were never part of the group that was potentially going to the Pac 10.
@@CRS253Cant fault the guy for believing in myths. The dude roots for make believe birds. Any notions of a P2 conference willing to stomach KU football for BBall and AAU status are purely mythical and pipe dreams at best.
@@CRS253 Even though football is a big money-maker, Kansas is one of only 4 Bluebloods in basketball (with North Carolina, Duke, and Kentucky - maybe UCLA which has re-emerged recently, and UCONN is making some noise). Things go dark without basketball in the sports world after the bowl games in early January, and then you have the NCAA BB tournament being maybe the premier event in sports. You may claim Super Bowl, but the flag-kneeling stuff is off-putting and has pushed a lot of folks away from the NFL. Ditto for the NBA.
@@ExhaultedPoobah If basketball mattered that much, Kansas wouldn't be such an afterthought in all the conference realignment for the past 15-20 years.
Also you trying to claim the NFL or NBA is hurting is silly considering the NFL continues to print money, the networks broadcasting their games see viewership increases (although viewership as a whole is down due to Amazon games), and even terrible franchises are selling for $6.5 billion.
Additionally, you getting all up in your feelings about player's stances combined with saying that there is a sports wasteland after football season ends indicates you weren't watching the NBA anyway. So telling all your friends on Facebook and Twitter that you will never watch doesn't change anything.
Lastly, everyone is saving up because they know the NBA contract is about to come up, so the NBA is about to start making even more than they already were.
@@CRS253 Good, we never wanted in the PAC anyway.