The Pac 12 Presidents & Commissioner Have Left the Door Open for Big 12 Expansion | Realignment

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  • @drgat6953
    @drgat6953 Рік тому +67

    Honestly, this topic is getting exhausting.

    • @IOS336
      @IOS336 Рік тому +6

      It really is IDGF about the Pac-12 TV deal. A majority of there fans are calling The Big 12 the truck stop conference. I don’t want any of them in the conference.

    • @ardentlions6636
      @ardentlions6636 Рік тому +7

      Don’t listen. It’s that simple.

    • @luciusc2
      @luciusc2 Рік тому +5

      It’s the offseason… not much else to talk about

    • @crucewilkinson8907
      @crucewilkinson8907 Рік тому +3

      It wasn't exhausting whenever the big 12 was on the hot seat for the last decade. Lol!

    • @Alohanate2004
      @Alohanate2004 Рік тому +1

      ​@@luciusc2 Isn't there some basketball tournament starting?

  • @boomtothesooner7426
    @boomtothesooner7426 Рік тому +7

    You wouldn't swap conferences for $2 million more. You would move for security before everyone else bolts the conference and for future TV deals in my opinion.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому +1

      Yes and the fact that recruiting would dry up as recruits want actually play on TV to increase their NIL value. Can you imagine the talent level of the PAC football teams in 5 years if they take this deal?

  • @mikejohnson-cw3ol
    @mikejohnson-cw3ol Рік тому +12

    what's forgotten is that the Big 10 and Pac 12 was not even going to play during the covid year, and that would have bankrupted the entire system, but the Big 12 and SEC saved the day by having the courage to play their schedule and season, and then the Big 10 and Pac 12 had to follow because of peer pressure. The Big 12 and SEC saved college football from the abyss

  • @George-Kliavkoff4Big12
    @George-Kliavkoff4Big12 Рік тому +8

    Don't forget Houston. This could be a dream league for basketball with Arizona, Gonzaga, Kansas, and Houston. Then Baylor won it all two years ago, Texas Tech has been in the Final Four. TCU, Kansas St and Iowa St are formidable Cincy and WVU have basketball history. Scary good league

    • @scotttild
      @scotttild Рік тому

      Except football is what drives money not basketball unless you are the ACC with Duke and NC who bring in enough revenue for those schools.

  • @shallojalloh
    @shallojalloh Рік тому +6

    Its pretty simple. What I heard is: The B12 is the back up plan.
    If Zona is "forced" to the B12, they're go but its not their 1st choice

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      Am convinced now that based on what I have gleaned that no PAC team is going to jump to the Big 12. Yes they will stay together even if it means taking less money.

  • @WV-USAF
    @WV-USAF Рік тому +5

    pulling for the pac 10/12 to work out, but if not I would welcome those schools.. I simply like to see new matchups. I am looking forward to this new big 12, the conference is evenly matched power 5 schools and gonna be a fun conference to watch play out.

    • @scotttild
      @scotttild Рік тому

      My guess is Big 12 taxes six pac 12 schools and the others find their way into the Mountain West or maybe Big 10.

  • @orangehoof
    @orangehoof Рік тому +5

    And Crow was the guy who thought Larry Scott would make a great commissioner.

  • @troysilvester5791
    @troysilvester5791 Рік тому +4

    To believe that no one has opened discussions about options for PAC12 member, with all the uncertainty floating around is to say they must all be idiots. When things look rocky, or unstable you must know your realistic options.

  • @lastpme
    @lastpme Рік тому +5

    I think 20 schools is too big…I think 16 is a good number to make it profitable for all schools.

    • @showys1965
      @showys1965 Рік тому +1

      Agreed, but what 16 schools is the real question. Who gets the boot

  • @chrisskipper7014
    @chrisskipper7014 Рік тому +1

    If you are any Pac 12 school aside from Oregon and Washington, why would you want to be in the latters' league? Give me security and solid foundation in the Big 12 - provided there is an offer from that conference.

  • @danielbitzer652
    @danielbitzer652 Рік тому +2

    Well said. USC was already gone

  • @robrenaud509
    @robrenaud509 Рік тому

    Who pays the cost of B12 games on ESPN+? Is it the B12 or ESPN?

  • @Mattmooncfb
    @Mattmooncfb Рік тому +7

    Craig in the leather chair looks like a supervillain😂

    • @Alohanate2004
      @Alohanate2004 Рік тому +2

      I think you mean David

    • @SurfCityBill
      @SurfCityBill Рік тому +1

      Did he get a promotion?

    • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
      @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому +1

      @@Alohanate2004 David is his dad. Craig is the guy that always looks angry.

    • @Alohanate2004
      @Alohanate2004 Рік тому +1

      ​@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 David is the one sitting in the leather chair, not Craig

    • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
      @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому +2

      @@Alohanate2004 David is the oldest. They do have him sitting in the big leather chair and it suits his purpose. Craig is the youngest on the left of the Table. Paul sits on the right. They used to crowd them up. Now they don't.

  • @BoomerTex
    @BoomerTex Рік тому +1

    "It's heavily dependent on (commissioner George Kliavkoff) and his team negotiating a good media deal for us to stay competitive". Am I the only person that heard that and went "OMG! They still don't have a deal yet that would allow them to be competitive!" My assumption before this was that they were close to a good deal and just negotiating for ways to make it better, which is what these guys are saying after reading that statement. So am I reading too much into this statement? Like Craig was saying, this is the first statement from a President that "cracks the door a little bit" and I can't see a President doing that if the PAC is pretty close to getting a competitive deal. To me this shows frustration that they still aren't that close to a deal.

    • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
      @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому

      That was before someone brought up the fact that the MLS pays Apple 60M per year just to get on the smallest streaming service in the US, and the contingent universities would be on the hook for not only the 50 M they owe Comcast, but also the 60M per year (or maybe more) they would be charged like the MLS. More money paid for less exposure.

  • @kingbaldwiniv5409
    @kingbaldwiniv5409 Рік тому

    I graduated from ASU with one of my degrees, President Crow has a personal, political alignment with the Left coast. It's a shame because he's transformed the university into a soulless factory that thinks of itself above it all.
    He's moving toward them holding the bag when the music stops.
    Without the LA market, how does he think this is going to go?
    Washington and Oregon aren't going to stand pat.

  • @sirrobin4394
    @sirrobin4394 Рік тому +4

    I like the idea of the Big 20, or the BigPAC 20; however you want to call it.

    • @scotthamilton3469
      @scotthamilton3469 Рік тому +1

      No ...we don't mention the pac

    • @RexCrimson_
      @RexCrimson_ Рік тому +2

      I feel like many OG Big 12 school fans love this. But BYU and UCF passionately hate this idea.

    • @scotthamilton3469
      @scotthamilton3469 Рік тому

      @@RexCrimson_ ....no they dont

    • @jeffkilgore6320
      @jeffkilgore6320 Рік тому

      Call it the Wild West Conference.

  • @brettbingham3485
    @brettbingham3485 Рік тому +2

    I think the 4 corner schools and any other potential candidates in the PAC-12 for Big12 expansion are waiting until April for the Big10 to decide whether they'll call up WA, OR, Stanford, and Cal. I think the 4 corners schools don't want to be the ones known for the PAC-12 dissolving.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому

      I don't think the Big 12 wants more than the 4 Corner schools at this point, and I certainly don't think the B1G is interested in Stanford or Cal. By all indications, they only want Oregon and Washington and that at a reduced rate. The next round of expansion will be with the ACC implodes and the Big 12 will pick up 2-4 "leftovers".

    • @scotttild
      @scotttild Рік тому

      That’s a good guess, OR may want the big to take OR state to keep that going and WA may want Wa state. May see six added to the Big 12, rest of the pac 12 folds and goes into the Mountain West or West Coast Conf.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому

      @@scotttild Oregon State offers nothing to the PAC, B1G, or Big 12. Neither does WSU, Stanford, or Cal. There is a reason that every network but ESPN told the PAC they weren't interested paying to broadcast the PAC conference games and ESPN only wants one game a week. All of this in the age of NIL in recruiting and an open transfer portal.
      PAC fans seem to ignore that but the rest of the nation picked up on it.

  • @curtisd316
    @curtisd316 Рік тому +3

    There are too many variables for the Pac 12 staying together the amount per school to all streaming and unequal revenue

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      Remember you heard it here first, the PAC takes less money, streams most of their games but ESPN comes in at the last minute and pays the PAC peanuts to televise late night games,

  • @dparks68
    @dparks68 Рік тому +7

    I heard that the $$ maybe closer to 28-30 Million. However, with that being said, I heard that a lot of the Pac 12 will be streaming a good chunk of it's games and that the schools are responsible for the cost of streaming, which I heard was around 6-7 Million per school. IF (huge IF) that is true, the figure goes back to the "22 million a team", i.e. a shitty deal.

    • @scotthamilton3469
      @scotthamilton3469 Рік тому +1

      I haven't heard anything close to 30

    • @scotthamilton3469
      @scotthamilton3469 Рік тому

      22 to 25. Minus production costs. 18 to 15 million. PAC is dead

    • @dparks68
      @dparks68 Рік тому +1

      @@scotthamilton3469 I heard it is being negotiated higher than 22 million (28-30) but, again, the bottom line would be 22 millionish due to the schools having to pay for their streaming, which is an estimated 6-7 million per school. A shitty deal no matter how you slice it up.

  • @TR-cp1fo
    @TR-cp1fo Рік тому +5

    How else is a radio show supposed to fill 3 hours about Big 12 talk? I am sure they are exhausted as well talkin about this but it brings in the ratings

    • @Alohanate2004
      @Alohanate2004 Рік тому +2

      But the Big 12 is such a great conference and the best basketball conference it should be easy to fill 3 hours of just Big 12 talk all day everyday.

    • @jamesbrann935
      @jamesbrann935 Рік тому +4

      @@Alohanate2004 Big 12 fan here, but that was funny!

  • @drochette1
    @drochette1 Рік тому +5

    As we guessed 9 months ago, the PAC12 will split up as soon as the B1G calls Oregon and Washington. Sure, there's a chance the 4 corner schools don't like the deal and decide not to wait for the B1G. That's a recent development, but I feel like it's clear now that this issue was over hyped. Our very first assumptions we made 9 months ago, were correct. Lol

    • @drochette1
      @drochette1 Рік тому +1

      @@ZAB734 it might be all 3.

    • @scotttild
      @scotttild Рік тому

      It also may be six and the other leftover pac 12 schools will have to fend for themselves or go to the mountain west.

  • @scotttild
    @scotttild Рік тому +1

    Football drives money and TV and Pac 12 just does not have enough. A full merger with the Big 12 is really the only way to go. If the Pac 12 does not merge its going to fold.

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      Not true. The 2 big networks don't want the two conferences to merge because there are x number of PAC 12 teams that are undesirable. The 4 corner schools either jump or they stay together and take less money. I say they take less money.

  • @markkim663
    @markkim663 Рік тому +4

    No PAC-12 team is going to Big-12 until Big Ten offers Oregon and Washington.

    • @joseamaya4445
      @joseamaya4445 Рік тому +2

      It’s not guaranteed that they’ll be in any time soon. I think the big target is ACC schools, I could see them pick up two more Pac schools for USC and UCLA, but that could be any of the combinations in Standford, Cal, Utah, Washington, and Oregon. B1G is really big on education and such, they’ve haven’t been performing at the SEC level by any means, and they’re brand is worth more than that of the SEC.

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      Another wise prediction.

  • @charlespyle4336
    @charlespyle4336 Рік тому +2

    This sounds like a bunch of political posturing. I am still saying the PAC12 won’t survive. ASU Pres. Crow is one of the huge problems with the PAC. He might go down with the ship and ASU with it.
    We live in Arizona, but all my kids (ASU Grads), said non of my grandkids will go to a PAC12 school.

  • @graygrantham7029
    @graygrantham7029 Рік тому

    Given the (apparent) outcome of the Big 12'2 2016 beauty pageant that yielded no winner, it has been assumed that the only way the Big 12 could add value was to add other Power 5 programs. With the in mind I think most people ass/u/me that adding the Four Corners is a win/win. I don't believe that is the case. Given that much of the TV media/broadcast pie has been neatly carved up and put on full display, and given the public statements by Brett Yormark, it seems that spreading the Big 12 media/broadcast footprint over 4 times zones is maybe not as important as having the recruiting draw of the Big 10 or SEC, but it is nonetheless a very lucrative market ploy. Wit that in mind forget about 4 corners..Current Big 12 distribution is Eastern:3, Central 8, Mountain 1 Lets make it Eastern 4, Central 8, Mountain 2, Pacific 2 . This guarantees two Big 12 games in Eastern Time Zone, 4 in Central 1 in Mountain and 1 in Pacific Time Zone. I would prioritize the 4 additions as follows; (1) San Diego State, (2) Fresno State or UNLV, (3) FSU or ECU, (4) one of the Four Corner Schools (one not four). From a fan perspective (remaining 8 Big 12 schools) new venues of BYU, Cincinnati, ECU, Fresno State, Houston, San Diego State UNLV, UCF, USF, not only gives the Big 12 potential to maximize revenue across 4 times zones but I think it also re-energizes fan bases to explore new destinations, while giving BYU and Central Florida more localized scheduling partners.

  • @kevinmatthews7180
    @kevinmatthews7180 Рік тому +6

    All I can say to half of the PAC 12….welcome to the Big 12.

    • @phxmaster9684
      @phxmaster9684 Рік тому +3

      I appreciate the warm welcome

    • @Alohanate2004
      @Alohanate2004 Рік тому +3

      Yes PAC 12 schools, enjoy the $20 million per year and increased travel.

    • @dcbarrku4882
      @dcbarrku4882 Рік тому +4

      @@Alohanate2004 Yes PAC 12 programs can enjoy $10 million per year less than the Big 12 and vastly less exposure due to streaming.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому +1

      @@Alohanate2004 Well, it is reported that the streaming services will require the schools to produce games, as they will only stream what the school puts out, and that is estimated at $75 mil.

  • @craigkirsch6750
    @craigkirsch6750 Рік тому +4

    They have no deal, they have an offer. The problem is getting all 10 to agree to streaming, GOR, and equal/unequal revenue sharing.

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      They will all agree at the last minute. No hurry to get it done until the last week.Mark my word all the PAC stays together.

  • @mikem957
    @mikem957 Рік тому +2

    The only way the Pac 10 can survive and land a new TV deal is if they go with unequal revenue sharing.

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      They will due what they have to do to stay together.

  • @rynebozzell
    @rynebozzell Рік тому

    If the remaining conference members do not join the big 12, PAC12 football will soon be like Big East football: going, going, gone. Any profitable media deal will require more exposure in the central and eastern time zones.

  • @CreightonRabs
    @CreightonRabs Рік тому +2

    Does anyone think that if the PACifist 12 wouldn't have put themselves in this situation if they had extended their existing deals as the Big 12 did after TexU and nOU bailed? I think the big difference is that the Big 12 had new members lined up before the media rights extension, but I have a feeling that they're going to force the backfilling issue (read: hello, SMU and San Diego State) before *any* media rights holder agrees to a deal with the PACifist 12.

  • @shallojalloh
    @shallojalloh Рік тому +1

    The issue I see for Zona...
    A good size of the student population and alumni are from California (18%).
    Cali is the largest amount of out-of-state students.
    Moving to the B12 will hurt their student applications undoubtedly.
    It'll be interesting to see the impact if they were to move.

    • @joseamaya4445
      @joseamaya4445 Рік тому +2

      I doubt most Cali students will even know about the conferences. Cali people don’t prioritize sports.

    • @shallojalloh
      @shallojalloh Рік тому

      @joseamaya4445 | I think so. Zona and ASU are basically full of kids who couldn't get into USC or UCLA. I doubt that kids would want to go to a school that didn't play teams in Cali.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому

      @@joseamaya4445 Exactly, which is why the PAC is dying. So very few on the west coast are actually watching CFB on TV, which is why ESPN is the only network wiling to be a part of the TV partnership & that on a very limited basis.

  • @woofwoofdoggo
    @woofwoofdoggo Рік тому

    The Pac 12 is going to stay together and add SMU and SDSU. Writing is on the walls.

  • @shallojalloh
    @shallojalloh Рік тому +1

    I do like your guys' spin though...
    Yall never seem to amaze me....
    But I digress

  • @rickolson-51
    @rickolson-51 Рік тому +2

    Let's remember that the new Oregon president wouldn't comment about changing conferences...

    • @Letsg0brand0n
      @Letsg0brand0n Рік тому +2

      Yea he wants to go to big 10 not 12 😂😂

    • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
      @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому

      @@Letsg0brand0n We never had any expectations toward getting Left Coast universites anyway.

  • @immaculate5784
    @immaculate5784 Рік тому

    It's not just about 2-3 million dollars more. Its also about being showcased on Fox and ESPN or being showcased on a streaming service. If streaming services were considered the superior route to go then The Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 would have agreements with streaming services in their overall Package. They don't, the only reason The PAC is entertaining such offers is because they cant get offers from the Networks that they would prefer to deal with. So, a $25-30 million dollar deal with a service like Apple + is not of equivalent value to a $25-30 million deal with the likes of Fox or ESPN, both of which had a deal with PAC and have decided they no longer wish to maintain that relationship.
    Talk about equivalent money numbers without any explanation of where that money comes from is simply put an insincere argument. It's cherry picking and incomplete.

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      In the end out of desperation the PAC will remain together, add SDSU and SMU and be paid peanuts by ESPN to air a few late night games. You can bet your dipper on it.

  • @crucewilkinson8907
    @crucewilkinson8907 Рік тому +4

    Arizona will have a better deal in the big 12!

    • @Alohanate2004
      @Alohanate2004 Рік тому +1

      Then why don't they leave now?

    • @joseamaya4445
      @joseamaya4445 Рік тому +1

      Because the new B12 deal doesn’t start till 2025, so for one year Arizona will be making far less.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому +1

      @@Alohanate2004 I don't know. All of this makes me seriously doubt all this academic talk.
      One conference is in the 2 times zones that has 80%+ of the CFB TV viewers, has a nice TV deal, and will play on TV each week to help with recruiting in this age of NIL, while the other is not in the 2 times zones that has 80%+ of the CFB TV viewers, supposedly about to announce a TV/streaming deal, and will only have 1, maybe 2 games a week on ESPN & 1 game a week streamed, which will seriously hinder recruiting in this age of NIL.
      If the ADs voted instead of the presidents, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

  • @jeffkilgore6320
    @jeffkilgore6320 Рік тому

    Unlikely, but call the B12 and Pac12
    The Wild West Conference.

    • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
      @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому

      I too thought this would be a great idea- at first, but Kliavkoff,Wilner, Canzano and Utah changed my mind.

  • @robheld1965
    @robheld1965 Рік тому +7

    Sorry Big 12. It was a fun exercise but just unrealistic. NO POWER 5 team has left their conference to join the Big12. None. Money is one factor but there are others as well. However Big 12 schools have left for the Pac12, Big 10 and SEC. It goes the other way. Anyway, 365 Sports had fun speculating.

    • @josephmelendez8370
      @josephmelendez8370 Рік тому +2

      A Big 12 school left for the Pac-12, but it was just 1, that 1 was Colorado. Don't try to compare what the Pac-12 got to what the SEC and the Big Ten got. Pac-12 fans have absolutely no room to be arrogant when it can't even attract any kind of an audience despite being the only major conference in almost the entire western half of the country.

    • @jeffkilgore6320
      @jeffkilgore6320 Рік тому +1

      It’s been a decade since th Pac12 has won a football game in the CFB playoffs. So, easy on the pride.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому +1

      That was then, this is now, how the fact that almost no TV network wants to air PAC conference games goes so unnoticed to PAC fans is beyond me. If the PAC survives with this TV deal, it will be in worse shape in the next negotiation as recruiting will fade tremendously. Again, having half your games streamed instead of TV & not every game on TV is going to seriously cut into recruiting. Again, how do PAC fans not care about this?

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      You are right. All wishful hopes and thoughts by the Big 12.

  • @billyweller2573
    @billyweller2573 Рік тому

    Why not the bigger pac 12 then everone is happy.

  • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
    @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому +1

    I can only see Colorado and Arizona having any interest in the Big 12.

    • @joseamaya4445
      @joseamaya4445 Рік тому

      That’s because those two might be the only two getting full membership pay. I could be wrong, but it seems fox doesn’t want to pay extra for Utah, and maybe that’s the reason why Utah feels offended.

    • @vernonsheldon-witter1225
      @vernonsheldon-witter1225 Рік тому

      @@joseamaya4445 From what I hear Utah fanbase is just made that way. They are not the academic giant they claim to be. Kansas, BYU and Baylor all rank higher according to trusted international ranking sites ( all 3 US Ranking sites have been discredited due to the use of faulty metrics) and not having them with us doesn't make a lot of difference to me at least. They remain in the antagonism mode.

    • @henrymoore7899
      @henrymoore7899 Рік тому

      Agreed

  • @danielbitzer652
    @danielbitzer652 Рік тому

    Face value!!! The media deal was said it sucked!!! What can Georgy boy do to get more money? Streaming is not competitive

  • @josephsinohui8007
    @josephsinohui8007 Рік тому +1

    Pac 12 sucks AZ brand is a perfect fit for big 12

  • @Asylumlord
    @Asylumlord Рік тому

    40 million was the quote

    • @scotthamilton3469
      @scotthamilton3469 Рік тому +1

      LMFAO.....no it wasnt

    • @Asylumlord
      @Asylumlord Рік тому +1

      @Scott Hamilton the original promise to the pac by George was 40 mill per team. Then, they got the 25 mill offer from ESPN. Everyone else said no. Then they separated the streaming, and the deal went to crap. 9 months later, the hopes and dreams are about to face reality.

  • @becks89
    @becks89 Рік тому

    These guys’ heads would collectively explode if Yormark leaves to take Big 10 job. That won’t happen but that would be funny

    • @Alohanate2004
      @Alohanate2004 Рік тому +1

      Why not? Yormark has more than proved himself and the Big 10 could offer him way more money.

    • @raleighsanford5111
      @raleighsanford5111 Рік тому

      That is interesting & I thought about it, but I don't think Yormark is the kind of the B1G wants. Also, he hasn't been here a year.

  • @taylorcrouse668
    @taylorcrouse668 Рік тому +1

    It’s like all they have to talk about.

    • @petewilcox3354
      @petewilcox3354 Рік тому

      All CFB has become is realignment...don't blame the messenger.

  • @penfish200
    @penfish200 Рік тому +2

    Boy you guys sure like to flog a dead horse topic!

    • @CharlesFosterMalloy
      @CharlesFosterMalloy Рік тому

      And yet here you are, first in line to watch & post. You're a hypocrite.

  • @1185AspAve
    @1185AspAve Рік тому

    Cant wait till P12 to B12 clicks disappear much in the same way OU UT to SEC clicks did. Find new topics already. Get back to promoting yourselves...