How Robert the Bruce Got On With The Scottish Church?

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  • Robert the Bruce may never have even been crowned at Scone without the Scottish church bishops who fought the War of Independence in Scotland. Truth is the links between the church and Scottish independence go back even further than William Wallace, Robert the Bruce and John Balliol
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  • @ianmacfarlane1241
    @ianmacfarlane1241 3 роки тому +37

    Great job by the special effects team to make it look sunny in Glasgow.

    • @jamestullett6215
      @jamestullett6215 2 роки тому

      The team appears to have received a BIG leg-up from the weather gods. I'd ask for my money back.

    • @georgejob2156
      @georgejob2156 2 роки тому

      Is it no jist, usually pishin doon..🌧️🌧️🌧️🌧️🌩️🌧️

  • @raibeartthehairypict4696
    @raibeartthehairypict4696 Рік тому +3

    Always wondered why the bishops backed the Bruce. This kinda cleared that up. "Freedom!"
    Cheers Bruce mate.
    Ps. Some lovely shots of the Cathedral btw
    PPS. Who would've thought a bushwhacker like me, would've been Baptised in such a cool setting?
    Cheerio Bruce.

  • @philipdemaeyer1665
    @philipdemaeyer1665 3 роки тому +9

    Watching the channel it feels like Robert Burns has returned to Scotland in the person of sir Fumey.

  • @eddie8900
    @eddie8900 2 роки тому +4

    There where a few sermons in my local church in 2014 (remember that time period?) preaching against independence. The memory of Bruce and Wishart surely lost to whoever penned those sermons.

  • @airdrieboy1984
    @airdrieboy1984 3 роки тому +5

    I am hooked. I have went through about 10 videos today and more last night. Someone linked you on reddit and what a find. I have found out more about Scottish history in the last 36 hours than I have ever done. What is great for me was I worked in a Prebyterian school in Korea in 2013-2014 and I spent my Monday morning sermons with a 2 day hangover from the Saturday night listening to some random jibberish about god in Korean. Turns out a lot of these sermons was about Scotland. My pupils were extremely enquisitive and many have visited here since.

  • @lloydforsyth1845
    @lloydforsyth1845 3 роки тому +14

    Just found the channel through the UA-cam algorithm and its great , I live near Aberdeen and have always had a love for the history of this country and in general so its right up my street keep it up mate

    • @ScotlandHistoryTours
      @ScotlandHistoryTours  3 роки тому

      Enjoy my friend

    • @georgejob2156
      @georgejob2156 2 роки тому

      You should learn about The Wolf of Badeoch.
      King James I. Brother who terrorised the North East..

  • @nollem41
    @nollem41 3 роки тому +3

    great story and again well shared Bruce!

  • @chugwaterjack4458
    @chugwaterjack4458 3 роки тому +7

    Thank you for the extra effort of providing subtitles. the earlier videos, which depended on UA-cam to provide instant captions, were, at best, challenging. The algorithms (no, not the tempo provided by Al Gore) were totally flummoxed at times by the slight accent you occasionally display. Good on ye, lad!

    • @ScotlandHistoryTours
      @ScotlandHistoryTours  3 роки тому +2

      You have my sister Paula Fummey to thank for doing the subtitles every week. Actually I don't have an accent. I think the problem is that the UA-cam auto type listens with an American accent. Pah!

    • @chugwaterjack4458
      @chugwaterjack4458 3 роки тому +1

      @@ScotlandHistoryTours Naw, it has a lack of accent. It is worse than auto-correct on the worst days. Names are the worst, but it can be flummoxed with the least contraction, let alone slang or localisms. Fortunately, growing up on a ranch owned by Scots, working with misplaced Southern lads,who were mostly unencumbered by much education, and with a jaw frozen half the year (Aye, it is cold there) I have no discernible accent, but everybody else around me does.

  • @80andybrown80
    @80andybrown80 3 роки тому +3

    Amazing work. Love this channel and the deep history within.

  • @ArcAudios77
    @ArcAudios77 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the further education, best wishes sent from an old Roman Town in East Dunbartonshire.

  • @HyltonMarkSmith
    @HyltonMarkSmith Місяць тому

    Have learnt so much so far about Scotland. I'm enjoying the channel.

  • @jayp6888
    @jayp6888 Рік тому

    Really nice filming quality on this one (aside from the great information of course). Thank you, good one!

  • @sharrongray
    @sharrongray 3 роки тому +3

    Not long found your channel and I’m well hooked. Absolutely loving it

  • @downhilltwofour0082
    @downhilltwofour0082 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you for the history lesson!

  • @ericharmon7163
    @ericharmon7163 3 роки тому +6

    I was kind of bummed that Wishart doesn't have a memorial marking his tomb in the Cathedral. It's just kind of there. In my opinion, it was a big deal to thumb your nose at Rome. It sort of set a precedent that people like Knox would follow.

    • @brucecampbell6578
      @brucecampbell6578 3 роки тому +3

      I would suggest we all pay vassalage to Rome or the legion will be at our door. This the crux of our history. Embracing the help of the Roman church was generally for the sake of a promise of independence and alliance against the power of the English Kings. Still hard for a Presbyterian Protestant to swallow whole.

  • @davidcaledonia5187
    @davidcaledonia5187 3 роки тому +2

    Brilliant as usual

  • @PFWoody488
    @PFWoody488 3 роки тому +2

    Every time you say "Great swathes of land", "She's got huuuge tracts of land." pops into my head.
    Time to wander off and quote Python references to myself for a while.

  • @gordonpeden6234
    @gordonpeden6234 2 роки тому

    "Why would these bishops make promises then break them?" Cos' you should never trust a Scottish Bishop? Or any Bishop?? Or any Scottish minister??? Rather; trust our duly elected politicians????? WTF??????????????????

  • @CS-zn6pp
    @CS-zn6pp 2 роки тому +1

    The question I have I is this.
    The church of Scotland was completely Roman Catholic at the point of the wars of Scottish independence, so how can that be used as the reason for the bishops behaviours?
    The desperate scramble to protect the Scottish church against either of the home grown claimants seems the more likely reasoning.

  • @mikecairncross4848
    @mikecairncross4848 9 місяців тому

    hi Bruce great video, why would I expect anything else. From my reading the Normans brought a direct rule from Rome. The Irish and Scottish churches were called the sisters of Rome ,as they had developed their own Christian church independently.
    The Welsh church was not liked by Rome as they claimed that Christianity arrived in Britain in the first century rivalling Rome as the first church. Constantine had spent time in Britain before becoming Emperor and making Christianity the official religion of the Empire?.
    Henry invaded Ireland and the Celtic church was supplanted by the English church. He had problems with the Welsh. His son Edward[boo] went on crusade which was unsuccessful but on the way home he stopped in Genoa? . He then returned to England with 10,000 men from the continent. Edward defeated the Welsh , and then had the Welsh language banned as the Welsh church was oral.
    The Scottish church wanted to keep its independence and wanted to be able to appoint their own bishops, when the time came they backed Robert Bruce . After Bannockburn , the crown of Ireland was offered to Robert Bruce who refused and it was then offered to Edward Bruce by the remnants of the irish nobility and Celtic church ,who accepted . Edward was defeated and slain in battle against the English , the last Celtic King of Ireland?.
    When we look at Bannockburn there were not just English knights but some from abroad all with the blessing of the Pope,
    it would appear that having been thrown out of the holy land ,the church then turned on those who were slightly different, the Cathars and the Templars . it would appear that through the centuries the Scots ,Picts have fought against the power of Rome whether it comes wielding a sword or wearing religious garments . Peace

  • @frankhancock2881
    @frankhancock2881 11 місяців тому

    I have a history degree and i wish my professors would have made history as interesting as Bruce does

  • @darransykes5703
    @darransykes5703 3 роки тому +1

    Bede born 673AD, died 735AD was mostly well known south of the boarder as the author of the book, The Ecclesiastical History of the British People or to give its latin name Historium Ecclesiasticam Nostrae Insulae Ac Gentis In Libris... And his works are still studied to this day....

  • @DennisMay-vf9vi
    @DennisMay-vf9vi Місяць тому

    Robert the Bruce is my 20th time great grandfather

  • @adammac6386
    @adammac6386 3 роки тому

    Learnt more from this man and Neil Oliver about my own country and I ever did at school.

  • @stevecochrane5376
    @stevecochrane5376 3 роки тому +2

    Moran taing. Tha na leasanan eachdraidh air leth a 'cordath riumgur mor.

  • @andym7575
    @andym7575 3 роки тому +2

    Very interesting - thanks.

  • @keithljunghammar4946
    @keithljunghammar4946 2 роки тому

    Robert the bruce was the House if King David with the Covenant Blessing us the reason.

  • @danielcampbell9457
    @danielcampbell9457 2 роки тому +1

    that boo at 4 minutes scared the shiiiiiiit outta me.

    • @ScotlandHistoryTours
      @ScotlandHistoryTours  2 роки тому +1

      😂

    • @danielcampbell9457
      @danielcampbell9457 2 роки тому +1

      @@ScotlandHistoryTours love what ur doin tho. If only we had 1000 more like u teaching history the way u do more kids would want to learn it.

  • @jeffbosworth8116
    @jeffbosworth8116 2 роки тому

    Always follow the money (or power)

  • @jamesquinn7492
    @jamesquinn7492 2 роки тому

    Bruce , quality history lesson, 😅

  • @shawnthompson2303
    @shawnthompson2303 2 роки тому +1

    The Red Lion
    The King in the North
    ROBERT THE BRUCE.
    ❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⚔

  • @colinhart8495
    @colinhart8495 3 роки тому +2

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    • @ScotlandHistoryTours
      @ScotlandHistoryTours  3 роки тому +5

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      Now if you use the code SHIP I've given you $4 to reduce the effect of their delivery charges, which I think are a bit steep. Mines is a 3XL. I have a T-Shirt which is 2XL and fits comfortably, but not loose. The mugs are one size fits all... unless you have extremely fat fingers😅

  • @anarabrinmere739
    @anarabrinmere739 3 роки тому +2

    I've always been curious---why does "the" appear between Robert & Bruce? // I've never set foot on Scottish soil (no$$ for it), but it holds a deep pull in me. My middle name was McClaugherty, & as I understand it, my people on my mother's side hopped down to the Isle of Skye & then to Northern Ireland ( which holds no pull for me). As a back family fellow recants our heritage, the McClaughertys were a sub clan under the MacDonalds. My father's background is unknown to me, for I was sired by a Jewish man, were deceased before I got this great desire to know from where I came, which I didn't know until both the man I considered Daddy & the Jew and my mother died.

    • @ScotlandHistoryTours
      @ScotlandHistoryTours  3 роки тому +1

      I'm thinking 'The' Bruce would come from Barbour. I really don't know. Now I have to find out

  • @johnkelly3886
    @johnkelly3886 3 роки тому +6

    At primary school a teacher told us that Wallace was made an outlaw when he killed English soldiers who were attempting to arrest him for poaching fish. May be just another legend. There is a popular belief that Scottish Lowland feudalism was less repressive than English feudalism.

    • @michellearmstrong7903
      @michellearmstrong7903 3 роки тому +2

      The story of the fish comes from blind Harry's tale written nearly ,200years later The"bickering bush in Riccarton Kilmarnock was the supposed sight,even a pub named after it

  • @glypnir
    @glypnir 2 роки тому

    That's why the Orthodox church has a pope for each country. Have England and Scotland got competing, political saints? I read about a relatively new Catholic saint in Croatia, and 5 new Orthodox saints in Serbia to compete.

  • @WillowLeeWaters
    @WillowLeeWaters Рік тому

    😆👏 that was so fun

  • @karenmanderville154
    @karenmanderville154 Рік тому

    The head of the Church was always in control it appears

  • @jeffbosworth8116
    @jeffbosworth8116 2 роки тому

    I've watched almost all of your videos - but my big question is how you get to visit all these cool places, yet never have any tourists in the background?

  • @jockwishart5226
    @jockwishart5226 2 роки тому

    We Wisharts can trace their ancestry in Scotland back over 800 years.There is still some debate how we got there originally.
    "Guischards" are a Norman family.
    However it is sure that Bishop Robert Wishart was appointed one of the Guardians of Scotland who made the mistake of inviting Edward The First to decide on a new King.
    He was " legged over" and we Wisharts whose DNA is extremely straight "never forget" a wrong and I think this reflects on Bishop's Wishart.s behaviour afterwards.
    He counselled Wallace and Bruce but sadly the "Warrior Bishop's" impact has never been properly recognised. A fact that was pointed out by family historian David Wishart when we visited Bannockburn in 2014 for a Family Gathering.
    "Outlaw King" does not recognise this neither does "Bruce" .
    Without being absolved from killing the Comyn on Holy Ground Bruce could never have raised an army as his followers would have been condemned to "hell and damnation".
    He took a big risk and has legend has it the Bruce was crowned At Scone in the Bishop' s robes and afterwards Edward the first was forever complaining to the Pope about him.
    Taken in battle as a hostage he was eventually released blind and frail after Bannockburn.
    300 years later George Wishart also stood for what he saw was right and was martyred for his beliefs in St Andrews.
    As a family who lives in the "shadows" we are still trying to make sure that the best happens for Scotland!!

  • @knyc2580
    @knyc2580 Рік тому

    Thursday, October 20, 2022- 1.1 k likes and 16,412 views

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 3 роки тому +1

    MacBeth was fae Dingwall

  • @Athabina
    @Athabina 10 місяців тому

    Pardon my ignorance as one born in Aberdeen long ago but lacking in the knowledge of Scottish history, but what church did these Bishops represent? Was it the Catholic church and its pope or another church?

    • @ScotlandHistoryTours
      @ScotlandHistoryTours  10 місяців тому +1

      There wouldn't be any other church in Europe would there?

  • @darcybissonpullen7125
    @darcybissonpullen7125 5 місяців тому

    Mcbeth was of the the mcmillans so was king McNeil of irland had mcmallan root

  • @schwadevivre4158
    @schwadevivre4158 2 роки тому

    So, essentially, an ecclesiastical turf war enabled by the Venomous Bede

  • @faithhowe6170
    @faithhowe6170 3 роки тому +2

    King Robert The Bruce was my 21X great granduncle on my dad's side, the man he killed, John "The Red" Comyn", was my 21X great grandfather on my mom's side., so you cab see that family disfunction goes way back.

  • @tibulcain4904
    @tibulcain4904 3 роки тому +3

    Tha Gàidhlig agam ort Bruce?

    • @ScotlandHistoryTours
      @ScotlandHistoryTours  3 роки тому +3

      You mean A bheil Gaidhlig agad?

    • @tibulcain4904
      @tibulcain4904 3 роки тому +2

      @@ScotlandHistoryTours answers my question 😂😂😂 thank you

  • @karencannon9415
    @karencannon9415 Рік тому

    Can you slow down when you speak Scottish?

  • @christianfreedom-seeker934
    @christianfreedom-seeker934 Рік тому

    Great job but you got Bede wrong. He told the truth. Remember that he could have lost a hand for writing a false document! He managed to keep his limbs intact. The reason why modern historians don't like Bede is because Bede correctly points out that the Saxons are a distinct people from the Celts. Mic Drop.