If you believed black lives mattered you'd be shouting all lives matter. Instead of you know, championing the people quite literally oppressing and killing blacks in SA, or chicago. You should have known better from your fore father smith, or hume. But well, the slavers were your forefathers as well with a bunch of socialist slavers statues thrown in the river by the people following in their footsteps, so...
Alan Shields Hamilton South Lanarkshire. Yes 100% all lifes do matter. The better person puts all others before themselves. But charity starts at home we must look after our family first , then our friends then & only then shall we see fit to start investing our time & our lifes in others further a field because the ordinary person has only so much money to go around. Would I of sent the money back 100% yes because money is not everything values , freedom thought aswell as liberty of conscience are everything I value in a moral sense so buy sending the money back I would have my values intact. In a way we are all slaves because we are all slaves of the state The British state in my case because if you pay any kind of taxes then to me that is a kind of slavery it's not like they give you the freedom of choice about it now us it. Keep Safe.
“People will always find a convoluted way to justify a morally indefensible position if it’s convenient for them to do so.” Good god, man! This is quickly becoming one my of favorite UA-cam channels.
I’m descended from Scottish Covenanters who decided to exclude members who were slave owners. My ancestors moved from the US south to the north and congregated with others in western PA/eastern OH, some of whom were active in the Underground Railroad. I had never realized Frederick Douglas went to Scotland. What an incredible man!
Not all who owned owned for labor , some owned as Abolitionists and turned them to indentured and did training in reading and writing , after 7 years the contract was up sent on their way with their family free with money of 7 years wages to start off. My Family were Quakers who were those kind . We actually have issue with those who did not see evils of what had been done to us . My family is also Cherokee and Sauk . And Yes it was not just Western OH and PA we were all up and down the Blue Ridge and Appalachian range, my dad's family hails from Wise VA . \
I've served two Presbyterian congregations, one in Wellsville Ohio and another in Erie Pennsylvania, where members had homes which had safe rooms and tunnels for escaped slaves traveling the Underground Railroad. My own great X3 grandmother, Barzilla Jenkins, either escaped or was released from slavery in South Carolina, and moved to Xenia Ohio in the 1820's. Her mother was from Ghana, and her father, the white oppressor. Thanks Bruce for your "story" and history and reminders of how we still enslave others!
@ dna can determine where your ancestors came from. My family did this and had some surprises for sure. Nowadays you can find many resources to get to know more about your countries of origen. Such amazing and rich history is there to discovery. Good luck😊
I'll probably catch some flak for this, but as a black man... You've peaked my interest in Scottish history even b4 I watched this video.. This one's definitely the cherry on top.. Excellent job good sir.. 👍🏿💯
Thank you! My great great grandfather was an elder in the Presbyterian Church in Kintyre in the early 1850s. He joined the Free Church, and it was one of the reasons he and his family emigrated to Canada. I had just begun to understand the religious angle, and now you have opened up all these other injustices. I want to learn more. Thank you!
Thank you for covering all the bases and questioning all viewpoints in the light of Human Nature. "What would each of us have done - really - is food for introspection. My already high esteem for you went even higher today. Once again, Bruce; Thank you.
I only found my way to these videos you post yesterday, much to my disappointment that they took so long to show up on what UA-cam thinks I should see. I may be a white southern Englishman, but I've honestly gone from thinking simply that these videos you post are amazingly written and presented, to a feeling of, ‘this is a man I would vote for to lead Britain out of its current shameful situation’. Your way with words is a pure joy to listen to and to learn from. Your comments on the reality of a situation when people claim all lives matter struck deep into the heart. Thank you for such a beautiful presentation of history here.
My great great grandfather was a Church of Scotland missionary with David Livingstone and was an abonishionalist . He died in Africa and was buried next to Livingstone's wife. Once the Church heard of his demise they turned his widow and family out into the street.
You Sir, are a breath of fresh air!! I love that you question rationale and shake my moral compass to consider my actions more thoroughly. Excellent!!! 👏👏🥰
“People will always find a convoluted way to justify a morally indefensible position if it’s convenient for them to do so.” Good god, man! This is quickly becoming one my of favorite UA-cam channels. BTW, “woke” was a compliment that was perverted *by individuals who would adhere a aforementioned philosophical practice that I quoted from your video.
Scottish Social History is a fairly recent introduction to schools,educated before the 70's and you would only be taught the British historical narrative like myself.
Very interesting conversations at Thanksgiving and Christmas between my presbyterian(Scottish)and Catholic(Irish)families. I can tell you that!! A couple scotches and everyone calmed down! 😆
@@ScotlandHistoryTours That's because the ones over here are the ones that fled when they lost, I'm just lucky they decided they liked the cold better otherwise I probably would have a lot more slavery based guilt, unfortunately they became cops...in Detroit.
This video is so good I am allowing all the ads to run whilst I read the comments. I am part Scottish on my Mum's side (her maiden name is Liddell) and Ulster Scots by marriage- husband born and bred in NI, almost certainly from the Scottish plantation. We live in NW England, but have close relatives in Glasgow (my brother and his Chinese wife). Life is a fascinating mix isn't it!!
Salutations from the States, in particular NYC! Your postings are FANTASTIC and VERY informative. Bumping into your channel is one of the best things to come out of this dreaded pandemic. Thank you and please keep it up.
Your work is so important Bruce. I love every video you do. I often include some in my classes as a History Lecturer due to your brilliant way of storytelling. Thank you!
Thank you Bruce. I've been looking into my who and where my ancestors came from and where they went. I found that my ancestors was deported from Scotland to Antigua into slavery. I live in southern England after my parents come back in the Windrush years. Thank you for filling in some gaps. Bless
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Just wish you would not alienate your audience . The Term WOKE is used in the states by Politicians on the Left as being a badge of honor . Then the groups pushing it as a badge a neo communist in mindset . I am all for helping countries but throwing money at it does nothing . Our 4 largest carbon footprint countries are , China India Vietnam and wow you will not believe this Russia . American and Britain range in the mid teens on the list . The problem with these other countries is Corruption nothing more something we have dealt with since the beginning of civilization . Should we go to war with those nations to set them free how are we to know corruption one creep in again ? There are more issues there Socially Politically even Legally . My biggest question is would you be open to having a frank discussion on the realities of the issues or are you pandering platitudes for views .
One of my all-time favorite stories is from Frederick Douglas's autobiography, where he described tricking the master's children into teaching him the letters by challenging them as to what they knew. When my kids resisted learning to read, I would tell them about how Frederick Douglas risked his life, or at least imprisonment, to learn to read. Such an inspiring man.
I love learning about history. I never knew that Fredrick Douglas traveled to Scotland. I love What to a slave is the 4th of July speech from Fredrick Douglas. James Earl Jones ( my favorite actor) reads it. I always imagine that F.D. has the same dynamic voice as J.E.J. What a powerful speech.
It may seem like an easy question to answer because it's highlighted by today's society, but honestly it would be hard for us to answer when not only was it against the norm, but depending on how far you took it, punishable by law. Not making excuse, but what in today's society will they find morally wrong tomorrow? That being said, the Wesley. Brothers, William Wilberforce, and David Bernard are among a few men from history who I look up to who spoke out against oppressing others. I guess a good litmus test would be "do you stand on your conviction no matter the circumstances or how unpopular?"
I'll be honest, and I won't back this up with evidence so take it as merely an opinion, but slavery must be worse than ever right now, and so many people do just ignore it. When we hear 'sweatshops' 'blood diamonds' and other terms from the lesser developed countries it is so easy to dismiss it as far away and irrelevant to us, one might think ' oh well that's their governments issue to sort out'. If I go to M&S to get some clothes I see 'made in Taiwan' or 'made in china'... but then I've seen countless reporters going to places in Taiwan, and places in china where it is literally systematic slavery within these factories, let alone the children being used as workers. These reporters barely make the headlines, because the headlines want something new and relevant. I've heard and seen of slavery in Africa, millions of people enslaved in large mines and other industries, supplying china who inturn supplies the west. Of course people are taking action, but for me, I can so easily see people in a few hundred years regarding us the same way we regard ignorant people of the american slave trade. 'We are products of our time' or so to say, because it seems we are conditioned not to care about the slavery that goes into not our essential products, but our luxuries..
People have known that slavery was wrong for thousands of years before the European colonization of Africa. No one was ever happy when it happened to them. No one ever easily forgave someone who enslaved them. And there was always violent resistance to the prospect of enslavement as well as violent resistance from the enslaved against their slavers. "Slavery is wrong" is simply an obvious fact. That of course didn't stop people from doing it, or deluding themselves with justifications for doing it. All throughout the European colonization of Africa and North America did you have arguments, protests, and abolitionist movements fighting against the institution of slavery. And you had the mental gymnastics of an entire pseudo-scientific community working very hard on behalf of their aristocratic benefactors to justify what was obviously an atrocity. We have known that slavery was wrong as long as we have known that murder was wrong. People did it anyway when the perceived benefits overcame their moral resistance to the concept, just like they do with murder.
Brilliant video, Bruce! The schism is very well- known, but the funding of the first Free Church building is something about I knew hee haw. It’s these wee nuggets, and your fantastic commentary that put your videos head and shoulders above the BBC’s luvvy (we all know who I’m talking about- walks like he’s in an Orange Walk. Don’t believe me? Have a swatch at one of his programmes!) Moran taing 🏴
It is what it is. Great video, thank you. My dad would have enjoyed this and would love to talk to you about what he told us in the 60's/70's about slavery in relation to US and West Indies, and how it didn't just start there..
My grandparents bought a house in West Chester, PA. It had been built in the early 1740s, part of the Underground Railroad. They obviously didn't have a guest book for who came through, but I wouldn't be surprised if Fredrick Douglas was in that home at some point of his life. It was a beautiful home. I grew up in Maryland, near DC. And, being epileptic, Harriet Tubman, one of his coworkers, inspired me greatly.
9:35 “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal then others” Animal farm by George Orwell. Amazing how freedom and outrage follows a similar pattern of care.
its High Time you became more political, I can see which way your emphasis swings and with history showing us what our nation has endured, what a perfect knowledge you have in which to enlighten those who never got taught this. cause we all know history repeats itself and we don't want repetition.
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Radicals don’t like history, They are always rewriting it. But you are are right to point out that this people in power are always increasing their power if only a notch at a time. Look at the way that the “Conservative” Government is using the virus to increase its control over the people.
Always hate how anything educational and Enlightening never get enough views or subs unless their is some action like explosion, fires, crushing, any destruction I at least have seen. Very interesting 👌 channel sir.
Life is full of injustices and downright cruelties. As a younger person I objected strongly about the mistreatment of women, the homeless, the refugees, my Asian colleagues, my black colleagues. I have gained a reputation of being opinionated and sometimes it doesn't go down well with others who are misogynistic, cruel and thoughtless of the suffering of others, however, will it deter me from calling out the bigoted and the cruel? I think not. I still have the unfortunate habit (for others) of calling out the haters of colour, sexuality, women, minorities and difference. Love to ALL.
Jesus Christ came for everyone...all the oppressed that you so rightly named and the religeous folk of the day called for his execution as he outwitted them all knowing where they came from and even then He forgave them..I don't know if I could have done that...but as I've received forgiveness for my selfishness (& unconscious judgement of others) this greatly helped me to grow in tolerance and reach out as so many of us are locked in judgement from our own bloodlines and don't even recognise that...only real strong honest love will break down the walls of fear pride and denial. We cannot manufacture that on our own..it's supernatural from our Creator.
I am a white southern American whose family (one line) was deported for some reason from an island off Arran in 1740. They were “archibald mcgills” who were thrown in the hold of a ship with some of their bloodsucking enemies, the Campbells - whom they later learned to get along with until they could retreat further into the wilderness…) in fact, My folks were buried so deep in the Georgia wilderness by the civil war that I have McGill grandparents whom are the same couple on three lines of my family) and I am bedridden and dying from an hereditary disease now - which they say came (so they tell me at Mayo Clinic) from this one Scottish couple! And more Scots. Stewards, Wallace, - Butler, McCray, McDaniel, Spivey, Bryan, Bryant, Singletary,, O’Bryan…. 77 percent Scots and the rest mostly English and Roma dna. My Bryan grandfather’s DNA is only three off the irish sea skeleton. He matches every border Scot name I found in the reiver book on 12 markers up to 24, and In fact, my dna shows me so white and so Scottish (except with some fraction of E3B1 Roman dna) That most of my family died back then either of Indian Massacres or skin cancer, prompting me to look into family history if only to find out WHY a bunch of folks with sandy to red hair and virtually NO pigment in their skin thought it would be a good idea to move to the South Georgia -North Florida line (where the sun beats down without mercy 11 months out of the year and there’s only a few scrub pines and stunted Turkey oaks for shade…). There are other lines of my family with more Scots and then some great great, great grandmother and father who are so English they are 15th cousins to QE 2 according to some Burke’s peerage of Colonial U S immigrants (pre-Revolution). I found out the county of Colquitt GA voted against secession, had eight free black people out there in the scrub and county of Colquitt - but about 150 of them dutifully marched off to fight when they said “The Yankees invaded Virginia, NC and Florida. Think they were mostly Baptists and “shouting” Methodists. I think some of them were also Quakers., do not too much fans of slavery. But I used to here a few relatives from up there sats - you know - the “n” word. But because my border scot grandpa (who sounds a little like you with a southern US drawl and words I’m hearing you say now that I had no idea what they meant “bloody Orangeman (?)”, even .”hoos” (and what’s a “hoos-cow” (?). Know what a “hot trod is!!!” Not a “hot rod but a hot trod!!” And will say that here in Florida there were msn Scots who were Indian agents, Indian scouts and married “Indians” - native Americans, I know … I know they often turncoated and took up for the native Americans and we have several well-known Scottish names (like our neighbors, the Aurbuthnots), whose grandfather was hung by Andrew Jackson when he was military governor of Florida. I tired to study Scottish history but now but it became so convoluted and yn cplainabkw ;from my particular perspective on this earth) that I finally gave up. I confess also to feeling a little turned off with the way it seemed the Scots were always switching sides and covorting with the English. It kind of put me off. 12:11 But now I have discovered you! And I have been bing watching for days as I recover from a particularly rough bout of autoimmune flare and pneumonia. You are my new favorite historian because somehow - when you sound like my grandpa - one of the smartest men I known before. So far I am a rapt student! So many things you’ve explained that I thought I didn’t know!!! Or that I really didn’t know! I know you have little tune for answering, and that’s ok. But can I ask just one question? My grandpa never, ever said anything without it being “ironic”. And s there a Scottish thing? Thanks again. I can’t explain what all this really means to me but you are my new very favorite historian!!
Auchterarder! Long gone now, but one of the best aviation museums in the British Isles was there, Sir William Roberts' Strathallan Collection. At its peak it included examples of all the RAF's "big four" World War II icons: Spitfire, Hurricane, Mosquito and Lancaster. Among others. The collection was dispersed by auction in the 1980s. Never had any notion of this other history made in the same town.
Iain Banks famously said "Political correctness is what right-wing bigots call what everybody else calls being polite”, 'woke' just seems to be a variation of the same theme used as an insult against those who accept obsolescence and redundancy in ideas as well as their iPhone.
I love you. I'm going through an addiction phase with your videos, and I'm getting worried. Can you speed up? I'm going to run out soon. My favourite historian.
Fun fact: if Washington, DC gets statehood, the DC will no longer stand for District of Columbia but Douglass Commonwealth. His house in the District is open to the public.
The irony is that sending the money back wouldn't help the slaves one bit .But accepting the cash could potentially strengthened the free church ,so my thoughts are what was the ongoing thrust of the free church in the preceding years after pocketing the dosh?
It's a paradox of Christianity. Some Denominations encouraged Slavery. Some were silent about it, and a few, like the Quakers, had been opposed to Slavery for a long time (In America, the Quakers opposed Slavery at the Founding). Frederick Douglas was a great spokesman for the Abolition of Slavery. His writings are eye opening. His education, by his master's wife, was actually contrary to Maryland Law. Maryland didn't secede with the South during the Civil War, but Slavery permeated the State, as it did in a couple of other Northern States. The paradox in Christian support/opposition to Abolition shows up in the histories of these denominations. The Abolition movement in America though, grew from the Pulpits of certain denominations. Many of these churches Douglas and other former slaves spoke to the congregations, and without Douglas, and those in the pews, Abolition, in the US, wouldn't have happened. Americans, never do things by half measures. To end Slavery, we had to go to War over it, though there were other issues between the North and South, Slavery, was still a common thread tying these issues together. The South, seceded from the Union, and did so because they feared Lincoln would abolish Slavery. Lincoln hadn't made moves to do so, but they feared he would, and that fear, caused them to strike first. Lincoln hoped the issue could be resolved diplomatically, but after the attack on Fort Sumter, the South forced his hand. Though the Confederacy was initially successful, they had yet felt the full might of the Industrialized North. Once the North was fully up to capacity, the South's defeat was inevitable. Lincoln's Assassination, though celebrated by some in the South, wiser men were shocked and aghast at what the assassination would mean for the South. With Lincoln at the helm, reconstruction of the South and bringing it back into the fold would have gone a lot differently than it did. After Lincoln's death, Reconstructionn became retaliatory, and caused a lot of wounds that still remain unhealed. Neither side is without fault in this, but it led to the KKK, Jim Crow Laws, Segregation and worse. It would take nearly a hundred years to end a lot of what came about. Far too long in my opinion, but I can't change history, only make sure that we record it, both the good and the bad. Erasing it, only dooms future generations to repeat the mistakes. I have cousins that are of African descent somewhere back in time, Asian and Hispanic cousins too. I'm proud they're family members and will defend them until my last breath, because they are as American as I am, and deserve Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness just as much as any American does. America is not perfect. I know its faults intimately. But we must continue to strive for perfection, no matter how many times we fail in our attempt to reach that goal. If only everyone would reach for that, this world would be the better for it.
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Interesting that only 4 years after the 1707 act, they, passed their Church Patronage (Scotland) Act 1711, and yet it took another 134 years or so for matters to come to a head with the formation of the first free kirk. You brought this topic to life, with a great #BLM angle: "should they have sent the money back", and how we all still benefit today, in many unseen ways. End piece very thoughtful. Their is a crying lack of information on the corrupt international treaty of 1707. For obvious reasons. I haven't time to check but am interested to know if you think the 1711 act broke the international treaty. It would be nice to see lots on the 1707 act, and all the ways in which this international treaty has been voided to date. Thanks again. Fascinating :)
He came to Leeds, Frederick Douglass one of my heroes. Smashing siries this. The compensation paid to slave owners at slave abolition, was money that the government borrowed. That debt was only paid off in 2017. Scotland have made a start at restitution by helping in the fields of education in the Caribbean. More could be done by Britain. We are all benefiting today from slavery. Strongly Recommended is the radio 4 siries ,"DESCENDENTS" dealing with this very subject with a very suppriseing twist. Thank you for posting.
Someday I'm going to Scotland to follow your videos at their origins. Maybe I can go on one of your tours! What do you want me to bring you from Alaska?
I enjoyed this Fredrick Douglas lesson. I'm sorry for this long post to give an answer to your question. But this is a deep discussion in my opinion. I think a much deeper and appropriate question isn't "would we have sent the money back? The question is.... " Why was the wealth from industries such as the railways you mentioned, built by those slaves.... Never redistributed to the slaves or their following generations? ".... I get your question about money being sent back Collectively, by the masses, equating the problem to our collective benefit from slaves contributions to society. But see... This is a far more diabolical issue than just individuals or a whole society, benefiting from the use of a product or industry at the hands of free slave labor. This is an issue of a massive profit, from industry, produced by free labor, going to the elites of that era or the upper class who managed the slave labor and installation of that railway. To then establish extreme wealth for their families and generations all the way up until today. If we are honest.... Those class differences of people that existed then, still exist today. Then you had the wealthy industry owners, the middle class or lower middle class managers, supervisors of those slaves. Then the Slave... The free worker who was not free. So no.... The working class of today that can confirm they descended from slaves , who probably do not have the wealth that traveled through time and was handed down, from the exploitation of slavery, should not have to give money back. But those families who have received all the benefits of wealth transfer, from the industry of the railway, that exploited free labor to exercise maximum profits, that they then leveraged to extreme wealth that they built multiple generations of wealth on.... Up to present day..... Should give the money back. And they should give that to the families of the slaves who worked that railway.... For free or for wages that literally were not equivalent to what they should have been at the time. Speaking for The USA... Slaves were not paid to work. Not an wage for time or labor. They were given quarter , to breed, eat and stay healthy enough, to live long enough to turn a profit. In most cases, 4 millions slaves post Emancipation, those slaves weren't given any reparations for the 400 years of generational loss of wage and trauma. Hell, if they just gave the back pay alone, that they owed them for JUST THE LABOR,.... many of those family generations, from that 4 million slaves freed post Emancipation, would have established and sustained some level of transfered wealth to their future generations in the form of land at a minimum.
@@ScotlandHistoryTours i know this comment was made a long time ago but i am a newcomer to this channel, i found this question and answer quite sad and very telling... isn't Scotland British? i ask this as an Englishman who has a welsh Grandmother and a family descended from the Clarks of Sotland (so i've been told) and my kids have an Irish Grandfather and i am proud to consider myself British above English. I truly believe that together we put the Great in Britain. as a side note i also have a French sister-in-law and a first generation Italian Australian son-inlaw...so i have every angle of the six nations covered
@Steven Clark I think you've got a wee bit caught up in your emotions and Rule Britannia (a song written by a Scotsman coincidentally).Robert has asked a question. I've answered it honestly, and I think accurately, without any emotional or political comment. It seems to me that the integration of post Culloden highland troops as cannon fodder in the British army was a key factor in building the British empire. Lots of folk come to the channel with emotional and political baggage that we all have. Some are misty eyed about Scottishness. You're misty eyed about Britishness. I think emotional attachment to a nation is a key part of human makeup. If we were all rational we would probably have an attachment to neither. Britain is no greater, or worse, than France, America, Germany... pick any other nation of choice
I know the way I watch your videos is all over the place instead of in order. But I was just thinking, have you ever thought or hell, have u ever done a haunted version of the places you visit? Idk if you have already,I just thought I'd ask. Still enjoy your videos just the same!
Very well presented and enjoy your videos. I live in America and am part American Indian. I can say that the reservations are awful. The rights are awful and history is worse. When I here "BLM", I wonder where did we (American Indian) get lost in history.
I agree that we can’t tackle US chattel slavery without also taking on the US’s appalling past and present with regard to the original inhabitants. This is just a guess, but one reason I think there is much less heard about the situation of indigenous peoples is because the government did such an effective job of isolating them away from everyone else. Out of sight, out of mind of the general population. The government, of course, paid attention to them because they still had resources on the reservations which the wealthy elite wanted. We see that at play today with pipelines. I do some work on reparations for the slavery era (where reparation means not so much writing checks but repairing the ongoing damage), and it is important work. BLM is important. It’s just that the lives and welfare of indigenous people are, too.
@@charleskramer7062 I still want to know why my check never came , why the current president halted the payment to the Cherokee , it was set to go out on the 22 of Jan . By the stroke of a pen it was reversed on the 21st put back in stasis for 4 more years , the previous admin had cleared the path for payment . Before that in 2008 it was a 12 year stasis hold on payment . I guess he was hoping the virus would kill us off and never have to pay .
I never knew you guys got lost in History. I do know black people are suing native tribes for excluding them from citizenship. Many natives owned slaves and like to scapegoat the fact, while being jealous of the BLM movement; the descendants of the same ppl natives enslaved. Many natives want empathy while holding separatist politics and refusing to uphold their promises to many black ppl who fought with them against colonizers. Here a video is about black Scottish history...and here you are, centering native identity and history. This is sad.
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 sorry you might not understand but he did a video on the forced migration after the Jacobite rebellions by the English my clan is Hay , sur name was Sinclair since the forced migration we had our name changed to Hayes . So forced migration is both on my European and native American. Look up Yester Castle.
The problem is that some say slavery allowed time for some people to think and therefore to develop learning, civilisation, etc etc as they the,selves were freed from labour Marx acknowledged that without it, the Industrial Revolution wouldn’t have happened, much as he abhorred slavery. Nothing is as straightforward as we may wish
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If you believed black lives mattered you'd be shouting all lives matter.
Instead of you know, championing the people quite literally oppressing and killing blacks in SA, or chicago.
You should have known better from your fore father smith, or hume.
But well, the slavers were your forefathers as well with a bunch of socialist slavers statues thrown in the river by the people following in their footsteps, so...
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Alan Shields
Hamilton
South Lanarkshire.
Yes 100% all lifes do matter.
The better person puts all others before themselves.
But charity starts at home we must look after our family first , then our friends then & only then shall we see fit to start investing our time & our lifes in others further a field because the ordinary person has only so much money to go around.
Would I of sent the money back 100% yes because money is not everything values , freedom thought
aswell as liberty of conscience are everything I value in a moral sense so buy sending the money back I would have my values intact.
In a way we are all slaves because we are all slaves of the state The British state in my case because if you pay any kind of taxes then to me that is a kind of slavery it's not like they give you the freedom of choice about it now us it.
Keep Safe.
“People will always find a convoluted way to justify a morally indefensible position if it’s convenient for them to do so.”
Good god, man! This is quickly becoming one my of favorite UA-cam channels.
"Power never concedes without a demand, it never has and it never will." ~ Frederick Douglass
An imperfect man, but a real American hero nonetheless.
The rich and the powerful are only manageable when they are running for their lives.
Their are no perfect men.
Is our Demand( will) strong enough 😏
I’m descended from Scottish Covenanters who decided to exclude members who were slave owners. My ancestors moved from the US south to the north and congregated with others in western PA/eastern OH, some of whom were active in the Underground Railroad. I had never realized Frederick Douglas went to Scotland. What an incredible man!
Not all who owned owned for labor , some owned as Abolitionists and turned them to indentured and did training in reading and writing , after 7 years the contract was up sent on their way with their family free with money of 7 years wages to start off. My Family were Quakers who were those kind . We actually have issue with those who did not see evils of what had been done to us . My family is also Cherokee and Sauk . And Yes it was not just Western OH and PA we were all up and down the Blue Ridge and Appalachian range, my dad's family hails from Wise VA .
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I've served two Presbyterian congregations, one in Wellsville Ohio and another in Erie Pennsylvania, where members had homes which had safe rooms and tunnels for escaped slaves traveling the Underground Railroad. My own great X3 grandmother, Barzilla Jenkins, either escaped or was released from slavery in South Carolina, and moved to Xenia Ohio in the 1820's. Her mother was from Ghana, and her father, the white oppressor.
Thanks Bruce for your "story" and history and reminders of how we still enslave others!
Well I am BLaACK American and have a Scottish last name but I find no history here about my family origins like others
@ dna can determine where your ancestors came from. My family did this and had some surprises for sure. Nowadays you can find many resources to get to know more about your countries of origen. Such amazing and rich history is there to discovery. Good luck😊
I'll probably catch some flak for this, but as a black man... You've peaked my interest in Scottish history even b4 I watched this video.. This one's definitely the cherry on top.. Excellent job good sir.. 👍🏿💯
Here to please
Aye, wur a' Jock Tamsons bairns 👍🏴
mochachino Monahan why would you catch flak for a perfectly innocent comment?
No flak at all... We've freedoms in Scotland that allow your sensible views to be aired. Stay well friend
Don't send flak my way but it's 'piqued' not 'peaked'.
“It’s not a judgement on our past. It’s a question to help us plan for our future.” Awesome! Going to say this to my 8th grade US History students.
You're a bloody good storyteller brother, casually brushing aside all the egocentric bleating.
Thank you! My great great grandfather was an elder in the Presbyterian Church in Kintyre in the early 1850s. He joined the Free Church, and it was one of the reasons he and his family emigrated to Canada. I had just begun to understand the religious angle, and now you have opened up all these other injustices. I want to learn more. Thank you!
Always, we need a reminder to look inward. Keep posting. Your videos make me think about my own history.
Thanks, will do!
Thank you for covering all the bases and questioning all viewpoints in the light of Human Nature. "What would each of us have done - really - is food for introspection. My already high esteem for you went even higher today. Once again, Bruce; Thank you.
Thank you sir
I only found my way to these videos you post yesterday, much to my disappointment that they took so long to show up on what UA-cam thinks I should see. I may be a white southern Englishman, but I've honestly gone from thinking simply that these videos you post are amazingly written and presented, to a feeling of, ‘this is a man I would vote for to lead Britain out of its current shameful situation’. Your way with words is a pure joy to listen to and to learn from. Your comments on the reality of a situation when people claim all lives matter struck deep into the heart. Thank you for such a beautiful presentation of history here.
I agree, I think these videos are some of the best on You Tube.
My great great grandfather was a Church of Scotland missionary with David Livingstone and was an abonishionalist . He died in Africa and was buried next to Livingstone's wife. Once the Church heard of his demise they turned his widow and family out into the street.
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So much for “Christian charity.” 🤬
You Sir, are a breath of fresh air!! I love that you question rationale and shake my moral compass to consider my actions more thoroughly. Excellent!!! 👏👏🥰
Thank you kindly
“People will always find a convoluted way to justify a morally indefensible position if it’s convenient for them to do so.”
Good god, man! This is quickly becoming one my of favorite UA-cam channels.
BTW, “woke” was a compliment that was perverted *by individuals who would adhere a aforementioned philosophical practice that I quoted from your video.
Thanks for getting on board Owen
Wow...heavy.....! Rreally liked it. more please about black scottih history please. We are learning so much from you. Thank you.
Thanks Bruce. I wish I had learned more about Scottish history at school. Glad my brother found this channel and pointed it out to me.
Me too😁
Scottish Social History is a fairly recent introduction to schools,educated before the 70's and you would only be taught the British historical narrative like myself.
Very interesting conversations at Thanksgiving and Christmas between my presbyterian(Scottish)and Catholic(Irish)families. I can tell you that!! A couple scotches and everyone calmed down! 😆
😂 It's normally the other way round
@@ScotlandHistoryTours That's because the ones over here are the ones that fled when they lost, I'm just lucky they decided they liked the cold better otherwise I probably would have a lot more slavery based guilt, unfortunately they became cops...in Detroit.
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This video is so good I am allowing all the ads to run whilst I read the comments. I am part Scottish on my Mum's side (her maiden name is Liddell) and Ulster Scots by marriage- husband born and bred in NI, almost certainly from the Scottish plantation. We live in NW England, but have close relatives in Glasgow (my brother and his Chinese wife). Life is a fascinating mix isn't it!!
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As a white conservative American Presbyterian (PCA), I appreciate your opinion on the matter. Keep the awesome videos rolling!
I am a new subscriber from America. this is a powerful video about the slave trade and it affects everyone to this day. thank you for this!
You're welcome
Salutations from the States, in particular NYC! Your postings are FANTASTIC and VERY informative. Bumping into your channel is one of the best things to come out of this dreaded pandemic. Thank you and please keep it up.
Yay
Your work is so important Bruce. I love every video you do. I often include some in my classes as a History Lecturer due to your brilliant way of storytelling. Thank you!
Wow, that's amazing thank you!
Thank you Bruce. I've been looking into my who and where my ancestors came from and where they went. I found that my ancestors was deported from Scotland to Antigua into slavery. I live in southern England after my parents come back in the Windrush years. Thank you for filling in some gaps. Bless
Wow. Great video Bruce. Learning makes a person knowledgeable, but a person is only intelligent with what they do with that knowledge.
Thank you, Bruce, for speaking some hard truths. Hope folks really ponder it- Most of us can do better.
I don’t know how I have never come across you before, but I’m very happy I have. You are an amazing story teller.
Welcome on board
Great video Bruce. The more you learn the less you know.
Aye, that's what my old school teacher used to say to me after every exam😁
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Just wish you would not alienate your audience . The Term WOKE is used in the states by Politicians on the Left as being a badge of honor . Then the groups pushing it as a badge a neo communist in mindset . I am all for helping countries but throwing money at it does nothing . Our 4 largest carbon footprint countries are , China India Vietnam and wow you will not believe this Russia . American and Britain range in the mid teens on the list . The problem with these other countries is Corruption nothing more something we have dealt with since the beginning of civilization . Should we go to war with those nations to set them free how are we to know corruption one creep in again ? There are more issues there Socially Politically even Legally . My biggest question is would you be open to having a frank discussion on the realities of the issues or are you pandering platitudes for views .
One of my all-time favorite stories is from Frederick Douglas's autobiography, where he described tricking the master's children into teaching him the letters by challenging them as to what they knew.
When my kids resisted learning to read, I would tell them about how Frederick Douglas risked his life, or at least imprisonment, to learn to read. Such an inspiring man.
I love learning about history. I never knew that Fredrick Douglas traveled to Scotland. I love What to a slave is the 4th of July speech from Fredrick Douglas. James Earl Jones ( my favorite actor) reads it. I always imagine that F.D. has the same dynamic voice as J.E.J. What a powerful speech.
Your insight is spot on and your humor is great.
That's an awesome sermon, Bruce. One worth listening to.
Thanks Allen
It may seem like an easy question to answer because it's highlighted by today's society, but honestly it would be hard for us to answer when not only was it against the norm, but depending on how far you took it, punishable by law. Not making excuse, but what in today's society will they find morally wrong tomorrow? That being said, the Wesley. Brothers, William Wilberforce, and David Bernard are among a few men from history who I look up to who spoke out against oppressing others. I guess a good litmus test would be "do you stand on your conviction no matter the circumstances or how unpopular?"
I'll be honest, and I won't back this up with evidence so take it as merely an opinion, but slavery must be worse than ever right now, and so many people do just ignore it. When we hear 'sweatshops' 'blood diamonds' and other terms from the lesser developed countries it is so easy to dismiss it as far away and irrelevant to us, one might think ' oh well that's their governments issue to sort out'. If I go to M&S to get some clothes I see 'made in Taiwan' or 'made in china'... but then I've seen countless reporters going to places in Taiwan, and places in china where it is literally systematic slavery within these factories, let alone the children being used as workers. These reporters barely make the headlines, because the headlines want something new and relevant. I've heard and seen of slavery in Africa, millions of people enslaved in large mines and other industries, supplying china who inturn supplies the west. Of course people are taking action, but for me, I can so easily see people in a few hundred years regarding us the same way we regard ignorant people of the american slave trade. 'We are products of our time' or so to say, because it seems we are conditioned not to care about the slavery that goes into not our essential products, but our luxuries..
@@bertiesaurus undoubtedly, human trafficking and sex trafficking is slave trading as well.
@@tibulcain4904 there is still a massive market in Libya again as well as one in Chad and yet they go on and on about now perceived slights .
People have known that slavery was wrong for thousands of years before the European colonization of Africa. No one was ever happy when it happened to them. No one ever easily forgave someone who enslaved them. And there was always violent resistance to the prospect of enslavement as well as violent resistance from the enslaved against their slavers. "Slavery is wrong" is simply an obvious fact. That of course didn't stop people from doing it, or deluding themselves with justifications for doing it.
All throughout the European colonization of Africa and North America did you have arguments, protests, and abolitionist movements fighting against the institution of slavery. And you had the mental gymnastics of an entire pseudo-scientific community working very hard on behalf of their aristocratic benefactors to justify what was obviously an atrocity.
We have known that slavery was wrong as long as we have known that murder was wrong. People did it anyway when the perceived benefits overcame their moral resistance to the concept, just like they do with murder.
@@tnatstrat7495 didn't say people didn't know it was wrong. Yes, every human being in the world had a conscience that tells them right from wrong.
Brilliant video, Bruce! The schism is very well- known, but the funding of the first Free Church building is something about I knew hee haw.
It’s these wee nuggets, and your fantastic commentary that put your videos head and shoulders above the BBC’s luvvy (we all know who I’m talking about- walks like he’s in an Orange Walk. Don’t believe me? Have a swatch at one of his programmes!)
Moran taing 🏴
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You've done a very good video here, one of the best I've ever seen on You Tube! You ought to be on Question Time!
"So they gave the money back ",,,,,,choked on my roll an cheese !
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Thank you for sharing my mums side is President and my dads side is Catholic. What people did to each other was despicable to say the least
Great video Bruce, really thought provoking.
I was hoping it would be
Frederick Douglass was a major supporter of the American Republican Party. He was a great man.
😂😂😂 Aye I doubt he'd recognise it today
It is what it is. Great video, thank you. My dad would have enjoyed this and would love to talk to you about what he told us in the 60's/70's about slavery in relation to US and West Indies, and how it didn't just start there..
Brilliant! Thank you for your thoughtful insight.
Cheers Bruce, great video. If only politicians were more like you.. when and where can I vote for you..? :)
Frederick was being taught by to read by my ancestor. The story is quite interesting.
My grandparents bought a house in West Chester, PA. It had been built in the early 1740s, part of the Underground Railroad. They obviously didn't have a guest book for who came through, but I wouldn't be surprised if Fredrick Douglas was in that home at some point of his life. It was a beautiful home. I grew up in Maryland, near DC. And, being epileptic, Harriet Tubman, one of his coworkers, inspired me greatly.
You certainly put out a challenge to world views and our roles in those views. Thanks for something to think on Bruce
9:35 “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal then others” Animal farm by George Orwell.
Amazing how freedom and outrage follows a similar pattern of care.
Your videos are just getting better! Top drawer
Ah no, I thought they were alright before🤔
You do good work Bruce.....a man who wears many hats. Thank you
Thank you kindly
its High Time you became more political, I can see which way your emphasis swings and with history showing us what our nation has endured, what a perfect knowledge you have in which to enlighten those who never got taught this. cause we all know history repeats itself and we don't want repetition.
😂 I've maybe let too much slip already. My purpose isn't to do politics, there are other places for that, but to tell the stories of Scotland
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I can agree with your intentions, as regards to Scotland History Tours, but I was thinking in an entirely different forum.
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Radicals don’t like history, They are always rewriting it. But you are are right to point out that this people in power are always increasing their power if only a notch at a time. Look at the way that the “Conservative” Government is using the virus to increase its control over the people.
Scotland has historians like this, England has assholes like Simon Webb from history debunked. Terrible channel.
You are an amazing speaker my friend, thank you.
Thank you Andrew
Watching these back films, it just gets better Bruce. Aroha
Thanks
Always hate how anything educational and Enlightening never get enough views or subs unless their is some action like explosion, fires, crushing, any destruction I at least have seen. Very interesting 👌 channel sir.
Thanks
Life is full of injustices and downright cruelties. As a younger person I objected strongly about the mistreatment of women, the homeless, the refugees, my Asian colleagues, my black colleagues. I have gained a reputation of being opinionated and sometimes it doesn't go down well with others who are misogynistic, cruel and thoughtless of the suffering of others, however, will it deter me from calling out the bigoted and the cruel? I think not. I still have the unfortunate habit (for others) of calling out the haters of colour, sexuality, women, minorities and difference. Love to ALL.
Jesus Christ came for everyone...all the oppressed that you so rightly named and the religeous folk of the day called for his execution as he outwitted them all knowing where they came from and even then He forgave them..I don't know if I could have done that...but as I've received forgiveness for my selfishness (& unconscious judgement of others) this greatly helped me to grow in tolerance and reach out as so many of us are locked in judgement from our own bloodlines and don't even recognise that...only real strong honest love will break down the walls of fear pride and denial. We cannot manufacture that on our own..it's supernatural from our Creator.
I so appreciate your and your videos, even when it's not super warm and fluffy. Thank you for your share.
Acht there goes ma invite tae tea, Great video as usual Bruce.
Ye were never getting an invite in the first place. No dressed like that😁
I am a white southern American whose family (one line) was deported for some reason from an island off Arran in 1740. They were “archibald mcgills” who were thrown in the hold of a ship with some of their bloodsucking enemies, the Campbells - whom they later learned to get along with until they could retreat further into the wilderness…) in fact, My folks were buried so deep in the Georgia wilderness by the civil war that
I have McGill grandparents whom are the same couple on three lines of my family) and I am bedridden and dying from an hereditary disease now - which they say came (so they tell me at Mayo Clinic) from this one Scottish couple!
And more Scots. Stewards, Wallace, - Butler, McCray, McDaniel, Spivey, Bryan, Bryant, Singletary,, O’Bryan….
77 percent Scots and the rest mostly English and Roma dna.
My Bryan grandfather’s DNA is only three off the irish sea skeleton. He matches every border Scot name I found in the reiver book on 12 markers up to 24, and
In fact, my dna shows me so white and so Scottish (except with some fraction of E3B1 Roman dna)
That most of my family died back then either of Indian Massacres or skin cancer, prompting me to look into family history if only to find out WHY a bunch of folks with sandy to red hair and virtually NO pigment in their skin thought it would be a good idea to move to the South Georgia -North Florida line (where the sun beats down without mercy 11 months out of the year and there’s only a few scrub pines and stunted Turkey oaks for shade…).
There are other lines of my family with more Scots and then some great great, great grandmother and father who are so English they are 15th cousins to QE 2 according to some Burke’s peerage of Colonial U S immigrants (pre-Revolution). I found out the county of Colquitt GA voted against secession, had eight free black people out there in the scrub and county of Colquitt - but about 150 of them dutifully marched off to fight when they said “The Yankees invaded Virginia, NC and Florida.
Think they were mostly Baptists and “shouting” Methodists.
I think some of them were also Quakers., do not too much fans of slavery. But I used to here a few relatives from up there sats - you know - the “n” word. But because my border scot grandpa (who sounds a little like you with a southern US drawl and words I’m hearing you say now that I had no idea what they meant “bloody Orangeman (?)”, even .”hoos” (and what’s a “hoos-cow” (?).
Know what a “hot trod is!!!” Not a “hot rod but a hot trod!!”
And will say that here in Florida there were msn Scots who were Indian agents, Indian scouts and married “Indians” - native Americans, I know …
I know they often turncoated and took up for the native Americans and we have several well-known Scottish names (like our neighbors, the Aurbuthnots), whose grandfather was hung by Andrew Jackson when he was military governor of Florida.
I tired to study Scottish history but now but it became so convoluted and yn cplainabkw ;from my particular perspective on this earth) that I finally gave up.
I confess also to feeling a little turned off with the way it seemed the Scots were always switching sides and covorting with the English. It kind of put me off.
12:11 But now I have discovered you! And I have been bing watching for days as I recover from a particularly rough bout of autoimmune flare and pneumonia.
You are my new favorite historian because somehow - when you sound like my grandpa - one of the smartest men I known before.
So far I am a rapt student! So many things you’ve explained that I thought I didn’t know!!! Or that I really didn’t know!
I know you have little tune for answering, and that’s ok.
But can I ask just one question?
My grandpa never, ever said anything without it being “ironic”. And s there a Scottish thing?
Thanks again. I can’t explain what all this really means to me but you are my new very favorite historian!!
Auchterarder! Long gone now, but one of the best aviation museums in the British Isles was there, Sir William Roberts' Strathallan Collection. At its peak it included examples of all the RAF's "big four" World War II icons: Spitfire, Hurricane, Mosquito and Lancaster. Among others. The collection was dispersed by auction in the 1980s. Never had any notion of this other history made in the same town.
Iain Banks famously said "Political correctness is what right-wing bigots call what everybody else calls being polite”, 'woke' just seems to be a variation of the same theme used as an insult against those who accept obsolescence and redundancy in ideas as well as their iPhone.
The current form of Enlightenment, perhaps?
No, it's authoritarian and involves hectoring and policing of the language/ terms others use.
Wow a fallacious argument when people start calling out your bullshit? who would have thought the mentally infantile would use such rhetoric..
@@groovydudeful You can't reason with the unreasonable lad.
@@nodruj8681 So there's two camps in the world? The reasonable and the unreasonable? Sounds like digital...@#&*
Your work is important. Keep it up.
Many many thanks
I love you. I'm going through an addiction phase with your videos, and I'm getting worried. Can you speed up? I'm going to run out soon. My favourite historian.
😂 I'm struggling to keep up as it is
Very thought provoking, thank you for making this video!
Self Interest is the only god anyone really worships - and its been that way since Adam bit the apple. Another outstanding video. Thank-you Mr. Fumey.
Fun fact: if Washington, DC gets statehood, the DC will no longer stand for District of Columbia but Douglass Commonwealth. His house in the District is open to the public.
The irony is that sending the money back wouldn't help the slaves one bit .But accepting the cash could potentially strengthened the free church ,so my thoughts are what was the ongoing thrust of the free church in the preceding years after pocketing the dosh?
Love this. SO important.
Aye, this is the next village to me and I doubt other folk in the area even realise
I always enjoy your videos 👍🏼
Another great question. Thanks for a power filled lesson.
My pleasure!
"All Animals are created Equal, but some Animals are more equal than others." George Orwell- 1984
Aren't there some early sound recordings of Frédéric Douglas? An amazing man!
It's a paradox of Christianity. Some Denominations encouraged Slavery. Some were silent about it, and a few, like the Quakers, had been opposed to Slavery for a long time (In America, the Quakers opposed Slavery at the Founding). Frederick Douglas was a great spokesman for the Abolition of Slavery. His writings are eye opening. His education, by his master's wife, was actually contrary to Maryland Law. Maryland didn't secede with the South during the Civil War, but Slavery permeated the State, as it did in a couple of other Northern States.
The paradox in Christian support/opposition to Abolition shows up in the histories of these denominations. The Abolition movement in America though, grew from the Pulpits of certain denominations. Many of these churches Douglas and other former slaves spoke to the congregations, and without Douglas, and those in the pews, Abolition, in the US, wouldn't have happened.
Americans, never do things by half measures. To end Slavery, we had to go to War over it, though there were other issues between the North and South, Slavery, was still a common thread tying these issues together. The South, seceded from the Union, and did so because they feared Lincoln would abolish Slavery. Lincoln hadn't made moves to do so, but they feared he would, and that fear, caused them to strike first. Lincoln hoped the issue could be resolved diplomatically, but after the attack on Fort Sumter, the South forced his hand. Though the Confederacy was initially successful, they had yet felt the full might of the Industrialized North. Once the North was fully up to capacity, the South's defeat was inevitable.
Lincoln's Assassination, though celebrated by some in the South, wiser men were shocked and aghast at what the assassination would mean for the South. With Lincoln at the helm, reconstruction of the South and bringing it back into the fold would have gone a lot differently than it did. After Lincoln's death, Reconstructionn became retaliatory, and caused a lot of wounds that still remain unhealed. Neither side is without fault in this, but it led to the KKK, Jim Crow Laws, Segregation and worse. It would take nearly a hundred years to end a lot of what came about. Far too long in my opinion, but I can't change history, only make sure that we record it, both the good and the bad. Erasing it, only dooms future generations to repeat the mistakes.
I have cousins that are of African descent somewhere back in time, Asian and Hispanic cousins too. I'm proud they're family members and will defend them until my last breath, because they are as American as I am, and deserve Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness just as much as any American does.
America is not perfect. I know its faults intimately. But we must continue to strive for perfection, no matter how many times we fail in our attempt to reach that goal.
If only everyone would reach for that, this world would be the better for it.
I absolutely love your channel. You open our minds and make us think Thank you 🙏
Very good content Bruce. As someone else said, thought provoking too..
I thank you 😍
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Interesting that only 4 years after the 1707 act, they, passed their Church Patronage (Scotland) Act 1711, and yet it took another 134 years or so for matters to come to a head with the formation of the first free kirk. You brought this topic to life, with a great #BLM angle: "should they have sent the money back", and how we all still benefit today, in many unseen ways. End piece very thoughtful. Their is a crying lack of information on the corrupt international treaty of 1707. For obvious reasons. I haven't time to check but am interested to know if you think the 1711 act broke the international treaty. It would be nice to see lots on the 1707 act, and all the ways in which this international treaty has been voided to date. Thanks again. Fascinating :)
Loved your take on "all lives matter". Absolutley spot on. Hopefully this message will find a broader audience and political uptake.
Marvelously put sir.
Powerful. Thanks for sharing this amazing documentary
Our pleasure!
Best one yet.
Thanks Robert. Please spread it as far and wide as possible
He came to Leeds, Frederick Douglass one of my heroes. Smashing siries this. The compensation paid to slave owners at slave abolition, was money that the government borrowed. That debt was only paid off in 2017. Scotland have made a start at restitution by helping in the fields of education in the Caribbean. More could be done by Britain. We are all benefiting today from slavery. Strongly Recommended is the radio 4 siries ,"DESCENDENTS" dealing with this very subject with a very suppriseing twist. Thank you for posting.
Thanks, Bruce.
Very welcome
Someday I'm going to Scotland to follow your videos at their origins. Maybe I can go on one of your tours! What do you want me to bring you from Alaska?
A poloar bear!😎
@@ScotlandHistoryTours lol, there's an old joke about kissing a polar bear is one of the three things you have to do to be an Alaskan. Pucker up?
The wind was playing havoc with you're hair but that section under the tower was brilliant. Kudos to the other one with the camera
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Wow! Glad I stumbled onto this wee gem of a channel!
Me too😁
Now...there's a thought to be left with...thank you Bruce 😁
You are very welcome
Wonderful channel! Already sending out notifications (in Canada) to watch your UA-cam channel.
Guid lad. Welcome on board
I enjoyed this Fredrick Douglas lesson. I'm sorry for this long post to give an answer to your question. But this is a deep discussion in my opinion. I think a much deeper and appropriate question isn't "would we have sent the money back? The question is....
" Why was the wealth from industries such as the railways you mentioned, built by those slaves.... Never redistributed to the slaves or their following generations? ".... I get your question about money being sent back Collectively, by the masses, equating the problem to our collective benefit from slaves contributions to society.
But see... This is a far more diabolical issue than just individuals or a whole society, benefiting from the use of a product or industry at the hands of free slave labor. This is an issue of a massive profit, from industry, produced by free labor, going to the elites of that era or the upper class who managed the slave labor and installation of that railway. To then establish extreme wealth for their families and generations all the way up until today. If we are honest.... Those class differences of people that existed then, still exist today. Then you had the wealthy industry owners, the middle class or lower middle class managers, supervisors of those slaves. Then the Slave... The free worker who was not free.
So no.... The working class of today that can confirm they descended from slaves , who probably do not have the wealth that traveled through time and was handed down, from the exploitation of slavery, should not have to give money back. But those families who have received all the benefits of wealth transfer, from the industry of the railway, that exploited free labor to exercise maximum profits, that they then leveraged to extreme wealth that they built multiple generations of wealth on.... Up to present day..... Should give the money back. And they should give that to the families of the slaves who worked that railway.... For free or for wages that literally were not equivalent to what they should have been at the time.
Speaking for The USA... Slaves were not paid to work. Not an wage for time or labor. They were given quarter , to breed, eat and stay healthy enough, to live long enough to turn a profit. In most cases, 4 millions slaves post Emancipation, those slaves weren't given any reparations for the 400 years of generational loss of wage and trauma. Hell, if they just gave the back pay alone, that they owed them for JUST THE LABOR,.... many of those family generations, from that 4 million slaves freed post Emancipation, would have established and sustained some level of transfered wealth to their future generations in the form of land at a minimum.
Very interesting as always.
Excellent video, Bruce!
Many thanks!
Excellent discussion, very spot on! Thank you!
Wow! This went a dire3ction I definitely did not see coming, but I'm glad it did. very eye-opening and challenging. Thank you!
You're welcome
this is so good on many levels.
Bruce, I've heard the saying "the building of the British Empire was built by the blood of the Scottish soldier " How true is that?
I don't think they'd have done it without them
@@ScotlandHistoryTours VERY TRUE!
@@ScotlandHistoryTours i know this comment was made a long time ago but i am a newcomer to this channel, i found this question and answer quite sad and very telling... isn't Scotland British? i ask this as an Englishman who has a welsh Grandmother and a family descended from the Clarks of Sotland (so i've been told) and my kids have an Irish Grandfather and i am proud to consider myself British above English. I truly believe that together we put the Great in Britain. as a side note i also have a French sister-in-law and a first generation Italian Australian son-inlaw...so i have every angle of the six nations covered
@Steven Clark I think you've got a wee bit caught up in your emotions and Rule Britannia (a song written by a Scotsman coincidentally).Robert has asked a question. I've answered it honestly, and I think accurately, without any emotional or political comment. It seems to me that the integration of post Culloden highland troops as cannon fodder in the British army was a key factor in building the British empire.
Lots of folk come to the channel with emotional and political baggage that we all have. Some are misty eyed about Scottishness. You're misty eyed about Britishness. I think emotional attachment to a nation is a key part of human makeup. If we were all rational we would probably have an attachment to neither. Britain is no greater, or worse, than France, America, Germany... pick any other nation of choice
I know the way I watch your videos is all over the place instead of in order. But I was just thinking, have you ever thought or hell, have u ever done a haunted version of the places you visit? Idk if you have already,I just thought I'd ask. Still enjoy your videos just the same!
Best breakdown of "all lives matter" that I've ever heard.
Brilliant 👏 Well done man your on the spot as always 🙏✌
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Very well presented and enjoy your videos. I live in America and am part American Indian. I can say that the reservations are awful. The rights are awful and history is worse. When I here "BLM", I wonder where did we (American Indian) get lost in history.
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I agree that we can’t tackle US chattel slavery without also taking on the US’s appalling past and present with regard to the original inhabitants. This is just a guess, but one reason I think there is much less heard about the situation of indigenous peoples is because the government did such an effective job of isolating them away from everyone else. Out of sight, out of mind of the general population. The government, of course, paid attention to them because they still had resources on the reservations which the wealthy elite wanted. We see that at play today with pipelines. I do some work on reparations for the slavery era (where reparation means not so much writing checks but repairing the ongoing damage), and it is important work. BLM is important. It’s just that the lives and welfare of indigenous people are, too.
@@charleskramer7062 I still want to know why my check never came , why the current president halted the payment to the Cherokee , it was set to go out on the 22 of Jan . By the stroke of a pen it was reversed on the 21st put back in stasis for 4 more years , the previous admin had cleared the path for payment . Before that in 2008 it was a 12 year stasis hold on payment . I guess he was hoping the virus would kill us off and never have to pay .
I never knew you guys got lost in History. I do know black people are suing native tribes for excluding them from citizenship. Many natives owned slaves and like to scapegoat the fact, while being jealous of the BLM movement; the descendants of the same ppl natives enslaved. Many natives want empathy while holding separatist politics and refusing to uphold their promises to many black ppl who fought with them against colonizers. Here a video is about black Scottish history...and here you are, centering native identity and history. This is sad.
@@gawdzuniqorn7269 sorry you might not understand but he did a video on the forced migration after the Jacobite rebellions by the English my clan is Hay , sur name was Sinclair since the forced migration we had our name changed to Hayes . So forced migration is both on my European and native American. Look up Yester Castle.
Another brilliant one Bruce
Woke definition, - no I have never bothered about its reasoning or meaning either. Love your videos.
Brilliant...! Thank You!
You're welcome!
So interesting, love your channel x
Amen Brother!!!
You have a great mind, I love your videos and this one in particular
Ah thanks
The problem is that some say slavery allowed time for some people to think and therefore to develop learning, civilisation, etc etc as they the,selves were freed from labour Marx acknowledged that without it, the Industrial Revolution wouldn’t have happened, much as he abhorred slavery. Nothing is as straightforward as we may wish
Well spoken!