Zayne Graves That’ll be coming soon. It wouldn’t have been fair comparing L3 WP tubes with high FOM / specs in my DTNVG’s to my green L3’s with lower FOM/specs in my RNVG’s in this video. This one was all about housing features between the two.
MMA Hype Watch Gotcha. Polymer is still really tough. For the majority of people, DTNVG’s will be plenty tough enough and will likely withstand a lot of torture. I’ve personally yet to see a broken pair of DTNVG’s online whereas I’ve seen a handful of photos of broken ANVIS, PVS-15’s, and PVS-31’s. That’s not to say people haven’t broken them, I just haven’t seen a broken set yet is all. If you’re going to be putting your nods through hell on a consistent basis, dropping them on hard surfaces, whacking them on stuff, not using a retention lanyard, etc, etc. want a pair of nods that can be ran with a remote battery pack and don’t want/need a set that has articulation; the RNVG’s might be the better choice for you and that type of application.
MMA Hype Watch As for image quality stuff, it boils down to the image intensifier tubes and the specs of those tubes. The housing hardly has anything to do with that.
Great video, very informative. A few questions if you don’t mind. Which did you purchase first and what made you want to buy the second pair? Which do you find yourself using all the time? If you could only have one, which would it be? I want the RNVG for the durability aspect, but the articulation feature of the DTNVG seems really nice to have. I’m not a door kicker or high speed like that so i don’t see myself walking around with the nods flipped up and wanting them sandwiched to the helmet so i don’t hit doorways out when exiting vehicles etc, but seems like a cool thing to have if you are investing all this cash into nv
I had the RNVG’s before the DTNVG’s. I know a lot of people say they go with the RNVG’s over the DTNVG’s because of the ruggedness, and while, yes, there have been instances where the polymer has broken on the DTNVG’s, it is not a very common occurrence (unlike one of the other articulating bino options out there) so they will be plenty durable enough for 99% of people’s applications, even if you’re not necessarily “easy” on your kit. I will also mentioned this; I live in the Midwest where it gets really cold in the winter, I took both sets out hunting one year and it was extremely cold/wet. The RNVG’s aluminum housing ended up frosting over and wouldn’t turn on, Even with fresh batteries inside, until they basically thawed out, which was pretty concerning to me. My DTNVG’s didn’t have that problem at all that day. The RNVG’s also got extremely hot out in the sunlight before, too. Didn’t effect function in hot/sunny weather, but I feel like that’s important to note. After having spent a considerable amount of time with both sets, I would pick the DTNVG’s every single time over RNVG’s. I doubt I’ll ever go back to a fixed bridge bino as my main set of nods ever again as I love having articulation and it’s a feature that I’ll always want to have from here on out. When I’m in a car, indoors, or in an area too bright for nods with my binos on my helmet, I prefer to have them flipped down (instead of in the stowed position) with both pods articulated out of the way of my eyes until I need to swing said pods back over my eyes for use. However, when I do have them stowed, I really like the ability to articulate the pods downward/inward to get it closer to the helmet because it’s much, much more balanced and less strain on my neck. If I recall correctly, the DTNVG housing costs $1,000 or so more than the RNVG housing. I know that’s a factor that some people have to take into consideration, but assuming you can afford the extra cost since you’re already dropping thousands of dollars of nods, I would definitely recommend spending the extra to get what I would say is the better, more feature housing based on my personal experience with both options. At the end of the day; the choice is up to you, though. Hopefully that helps you out a bit. If you’ve got any other questions, just let me know, and I’ll try to answer them to the best of my ability.
Very helpful answered many questions I had. Next question I have 2 PVS-14s how hard would it be for me to swap into one of these dedicated housings? Keep in mind I have zero experience
@@maddivann I used to run dual 14’s, I sent them into Glynn @ Night Vision Inc and paid $1,500 for the RNVG housing. He took my tubes, eyepieces, and objective lenses and swapped them into the RNVG housing for me for a fee. People do it at home, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Your best bet is to send them off to be professionally repotted so they can be properly collimated and nitrogen purged.
Thanks for watching. I don’t have a video comparing the L3 filmed green phosphor tubes to the L3 thin-filmed white phosphor tubes, however, I did upload a video comparing L3 WP to Photonis WP tubes.
Good overview. I went with the RNVG. I have seen my share of broken 15's and 31's . Articulation is Gucci and all but I know I'm a clutz. Beefed up sentinals for the win (RNVG)
Eric Smith I’ve never owned or used PVS-15’s PVS-31’s, but I feel like I’ve seen more broken 31’s alone online than I have ANVIS-6/9’s which is pretty crazy.
Shopping RNVG right now...would love 15s or DTNVG but man the price increase if you use the exact same tubes is seriously a lot. Like 20% more at least.
RNVG’s are still a great unit and has its merits. If you don’t mind a fixed bridge goggle that’s heavier than the DTNVG but more rugged, then the RNVG’s are for you.
Also want to mention that last year I took both the RNVG’s and DTNVG’s out with me on an extremely cold and snowy day, the RNVG’s had problems turning on and were frosted over and were extremely cold because of the aluminum housing, whereas the DTNVG’s didn’t have that problem. It could’ve been an issue with the battery in the RNVG, but I have my doubts. I personally love having articulation, too. A lot of times I will use my DTNVG’s or PVS-15’s flipped down but articulated away from my eyes instead of just completely stowed. Which brings me to the point of flipped up stowing, having the articulation makes them so much more balanced when in the stowed position, and it’s A LOT more comfortable both riding in vehicles and getting in/out of vehicles. That’s just my personal take on the goggles. I love them both and they have their unique advantages over one another, but for pretty much every single scenario I can think of being in, I’d pick the DTNVG’s over the RNVG’s. If you’ve got any more questions about them, feel free to ask me. Happy to help in any way I can.
Legit Christian Yes, both units have built-in IR floods, however, the RNVG has a focusable PVS-7D style IR illuminator making it actually useable in close range outdoor settings.
Legit Christian it’s an add on feature, if I recall correctly. When I bought my RNVG’s from Night Vision Inc, it came with the focusable illuminator, but I also told Glynn I wanted to go all out with the housing (CR123 battery compartment, Lemo port for external battery packs, sacrificial windows, etc.)
Yes. If you have tubes already in RNVG’s that means they’re they’ll work fine in DTNVG’s. 11769’s (manual gain tubes commonly found/used in PVS-14’s) will work, too, they’ll just either have to have the pigtails for gain control unplugged, or if they’re older 11769’s, said pigtails will need cut and have resistors installed on them via soldering. Hope that helps, man.
So, I don’t have experience with the F5032, but despite having the benefit of having IP stops, it appears as though the eyepieces and objectives are unique to that goggle, which tells me they aren’t as readily available as PVS/ANVIS/DEP Ether and likely more spendy. I noticed your initial comment said AB RNVG but was edited to BNVD-G, which I also don’t have hands on experience with. They seem like a decent housing, the benefit of having gain control and ability to use PVS optics is definitely nice, but can’t really give you an opinion on them. I would recommend checking out Nitewalker on UA-cam, as I believe he has a pair. The DTNVS is essentially the DTNVG Mk2, and since I do have more experience with the DTNVG than any other bino housing currently, I would have to say I’d pick those if I had to choose between all of those options. They’re lightweight, have a lot of articulation, can work off of a AA, CR123, or battery pack, can use 11769 or 10160 tubes, use the most common and readily available glass on the market, so if an eyepiece or objective were to break/fail, you could get it replaced rather quickly.
@@thegolflife7565 The color of the O ring on the selector. The latest version of the DTNVG’s, which I believe is the third and final iteration, have the standard PVS style power selector.
@@thegolflife7565 PVS-31A’s are probably my #1 dream set of binos, I’d just hate to break a set being a civilian and not in the “industry” and it’s commonly known that 31’s are fragile compared to other commercially available options on the market. The cool factor of 31’s is top tier, imo, but you can create a set of binos just as lightweight using the new DTNVS, and Ether ocular lenses. With the DICC, you can still run the PVS-31 battery pack if that’s your type of thing. I would also like to mention the fact that they have created IP distance stops for the DTNVS already, so that’s neat, as well.
I like the rnvg's, but the battery compartment seems to limit how close you can bring the tubes together. Looks like you need fairly wide-set eyes to use them
@@WheelchairOperator I haven't; I should've mentioned that in my comment. in fact, I looked it up, and the average pupillary distance for men is 64mm. The RNVG's can be adjusted for a pupillary distance of 51mm-73mm, which probably accommodates for the vast majority of people. I do have a question that I can't seem to find an answer for online. Do the RNVG'S automatically shut off when you flip them up on your helmet?
Creed Bratton Gotcha. Unfortunately the RNVG’s do not shut off when flipped up into the stowed position. You have to manually shut them off with the toggle switch.
The Golf Life It depends on what features you like. Personally speaking, I definitely prefer the DTNVG’s even though they’re not as rugged as RNVG’s. I would think that if you’re used to PVS-31’s, you’ll like the DTNVG’s. The only thing it might be weird getting used to at first is that unlike 31’s, the DTNVG’s don’t have manual gain and no interpupillary distance stops.
@@thegolflife7565 TNVC has a relatively long wait time, last I heard, but they are a very reputable retailer. The only other retailer I’d recommend out of sheer personal experience is Glynn Sziraki @ Night Vision Inc. He’s been a good friend of mine for a few years now and has built multiple sets for me and always been really on top of things. I do know he’s been advertising the DTNVS with24UA L3 unfilmed white phosphor tubes, so if you want something that’s top tier in terms of performance, that would be a great option for you,
@@thegolflife7565 You can most definitely hit Glynn up and let him know I sent you. I don’t get anything out of it, but I’m sure he’d appreciate that I’m sending clients his way! 😆
The place I buy from says they’ve never had a RNVG come in for warranty work. That’s all I need to know
That’s awesome. RNVG’s are definitely a great choice.
Could we get a video looking through and comparing the White phosphor and greenntubes?
Zayne Graves That’ll be coming soon. It wouldn’t have been fair comparing L3 WP tubes with high FOM / specs in my DTNVG’s to my green L3’s with lower FOM/specs in my RNVG’s in this video. This one was all about housing features between the two.
Good comparison match up! Great video 👍
NITEWALKER Thanks! By the way, you were my 100th subscriber! So double thanks! Lol
Wheelchair Operator Cool! I thought I had already subscribed
Sweet review man!
george prout Thanks for watching! I’m glad you like it! 🤘🏼
Hmm interesting to know about the difference. Can't wait for more info.
MMA Hype Watch What kinda info are you looking for? I may be able to help you out.
@@WheelchairOperator Polymer toughness really and an image quality demo. We're sure you'll get to it but we just thought we'd toss that in there. =)
MMA Hype Watch Gotcha. Polymer is still really tough. For the majority of people, DTNVG’s will be plenty tough enough and will likely withstand a lot of torture. I’ve personally yet to see a broken pair of DTNVG’s online whereas I’ve seen a handful of photos of broken ANVIS, PVS-15’s, and PVS-31’s. That’s not to say people haven’t broken them, I just haven’t seen a broken set yet is all.
If you’re going to be putting your nods through hell on a consistent basis, dropping them on hard surfaces, whacking them on stuff, not using a retention lanyard, etc, etc. want a pair of nods that can be ran with a remote battery pack and don’t want/need a set that has articulation; the RNVG’s might be the better choice for you and that type of application.
MMA Hype Watch As for image quality stuff, it boils down to the image intensifier tubes and the specs of those tubes. The housing hardly has anything to do with that.
Great video, very informative. A few questions if you don’t mind. Which did you purchase first and what made you want to buy the second pair? Which do you find yourself using all the time? If you could only have one, which would it be?
I want the RNVG for the durability aspect, but the articulation feature of the DTNVG seems really nice to have. I’m not a door kicker or high speed like that so i don’t see myself walking around with the nods flipped up and wanting them sandwiched to the helmet so i don’t hit doorways out when exiting vehicles etc, but seems like a cool thing to have if you are investing all this cash into nv
ETA: just read some of your replies to other comments and that answered a few of my questions.
I had the RNVG’s before the DTNVG’s. I know a lot of people say they go with the RNVG’s over the DTNVG’s because of the ruggedness, and while, yes, there have been instances where the polymer has broken on the DTNVG’s, it is not a very common occurrence (unlike one of the other articulating bino options out there) so they will be plenty durable enough for 99% of people’s applications, even if you’re not necessarily “easy” on your kit. I will also mentioned this; I live in the Midwest where it gets really cold in the winter, I took both sets out hunting one year and it was extremely cold/wet. The RNVG’s aluminum housing ended up frosting over and wouldn’t turn on, Even with fresh batteries inside, until they basically thawed out, which was pretty concerning to me. My DTNVG’s didn’t have that problem at all that day. The RNVG’s also got extremely hot out in the sunlight before, too. Didn’t effect function in hot/sunny weather, but I feel like that’s important to note.
After having spent a considerable amount of time with both sets, I would pick the DTNVG’s every single time over RNVG’s. I doubt I’ll ever go back to a fixed bridge bino as my main set of nods ever again as I love having articulation and it’s a feature that I’ll always want to have from here on out. When I’m in a car, indoors, or in an area too bright for nods with my binos on my helmet, I prefer to have them flipped down (instead of in the stowed position) with both pods articulated out of the way of my eyes until I need to swing said pods back over my eyes for use. However, when I do have them stowed, I really like the ability to articulate the pods downward/inward to get it closer to the helmet because it’s much, much more balanced and less strain on my neck.
If I recall correctly, the DTNVG housing costs $1,000 or so more than the RNVG housing. I know that’s a factor that some people have to take into consideration, but assuming you can afford the extra cost since you’re already dropping thousands of dollars of nods, I would definitely recommend spending the extra to get what I would say is the better, more feature housing based on my personal experience with both options. At the end of the day; the choice is up to you, though.
Hopefully that helps you out a bit. If you’ve got any other questions, just let me know, and I’ll try to answer them to the best of my ability.
Very helpful answered many questions I had. Next question I have 2 PVS-14s how hard would it be for me to swap into one of these dedicated housings? Keep in mind I have zero experience
@@maddivann I used to run dual 14’s, I sent them into Glynn @ Night Vision Inc and paid $1,500 for the RNVG housing. He took my tubes, eyepieces, and objective lenses and swapped them into the RNVG housing for me for a fee. People do it at home, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Your best bet is to send them off to be professionally repotted so they can be properly collimated and nitrogen purged.
@@WheelchairOperator thank you very much, I just emailed them.
Killer video, thanks for the info. Do a video comparing both units and their respective tubes!
Thanks for watching. I don’t have a video comparing the L3 filmed green phosphor tubes to the L3 thin-filmed white phosphor tubes, however, I did upload a video comparing L3 WP to Photonis WP tubes.
could you post the weight of each one? Which is lighter?
Tom Cody RNVG’s are 20.1oz and DTNVG’s are 18.8oz
Good overview. I went with the RNVG. I have seen my share of broken 15's and 31's . Articulation is Gucci and all but I know I'm a clutz. Beefed up sentinals for the win (RNVG)
Eric Smith I’ve never owned or used PVS-15’s PVS-31’s, but I feel like I’ve seen more broken 31’s alone online than I have ANVIS-6/9’s which is pretty crazy.
Eric Smith And I agree with your points. RNVG’s are a killer set of binos for the price and have tons of great features.
I pickup a used pair of tnvc Sentinels. They seem pretty tough.
Shopping RNVG right now...would love 15s or DTNVG but man the price increase if you use the exact same tubes is seriously a lot. Like 20% more at least.
RNVG’s are still a great unit and has its merits. If you don’t mind a fixed bridge goggle that’s heavier than the DTNVG but more rugged, then the RNVG’s are for you.
@@WheelchairOperator yeah I ended up getting some with 20UM tubes.
@@davidtrumpy4908 Nice! That’s a great combo!
if you could have have one or the other which would you pick?
DTNVG’s every time, personally speaking.
Also want to mention that last year I took both the RNVG’s and DTNVG’s out with me on an extremely cold and snowy day, the RNVG’s had problems turning on and were frosted over and were extremely cold because of the aluminum housing, whereas the DTNVG’s didn’t have that problem. It could’ve been an issue with the battery in the RNVG, but I have my doubts. I personally love having articulation, too. A lot of times I will use my DTNVG’s or PVS-15’s flipped down but articulated away from my eyes instead of just completely stowed. Which brings me to the point of flipped up stowing, having the articulation makes them so much more balanced when in the stowed position, and it’s A LOT more comfortable both riding in vehicles and getting in/out of vehicles. That’s just my personal take on the goggles. I love them both and they have their unique advantages over one another, but for pretty much every single scenario I can think of being in, I’d pick the DTNVG’s over the RNVG’s. If you’ve got any more questions about them, feel free to ask me. Happy to help in any way I can.
So the rnvg has a build in IR??
Legit Christian Yes, both units have built-in IR floods, however, the RNVG has a focusable PVS-7D style IR illuminator making it actually useable in close range outdoor settings.
@@WheelchairOperator is that standard or something u or another added o
Legit Christian it’s an add on feature, if I recall correctly. When I bought my RNVG’s from Night Vision Inc, it came with the focusable illuminator, but I also told Glynn I wanted to go all out with the housing (CR123 battery compartment, Lemo port for external battery packs, sacrificial windows, etc.)
Possible to move rnvg tubes to dtnvg housing?
Yes. If you have tubes already in RNVG’s that means they’re they’ll work fine in DTNVG’s. 11769’s (manual gain tubes commonly found/used in PVS-14’s) will work, too, they’ll just either have to have the pigtails for gain control unplugged, or if they’re older 11769’s, said pigtails will need cut and have resistors installed on them via soldering. Hope that helps, man.
what did the rnvgs set you back to get them converted?
Sharif Elomrabi Honestly can’t even remember. Glynn at Night Vision Inc did the conversion for me when I bought the RNVG housing from him.
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Josh Hill One like on this comment and I’ll do a video showing my feet
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So DTNVS or F5032 or NVD-BNVD-G
So, I don’t have experience with the F5032, but despite having the benefit of having IP stops, it appears as though the eyepieces and objectives are unique to that goggle, which tells me they aren’t as readily available as PVS/ANVIS/DEP Ether and likely more spendy.
I noticed your initial comment said AB RNVG but was edited to BNVD-G, which I also don’t have hands on experience with. They seem like a decent housing, the benefit of having gain control and ability to use PVS optics is definitely nice, but can’t really give you an opinion on them. I would recommend checking out Nitewalker on UA-cam, as I believe he has a pair.
The DTNVS is essentially the DTNVG Mk2, and since I do have more experience with the DTNVG than any other bino housing currently, I would have to say I’d pick those if I had to choose between all of those options. They’re lightweight, have a lot of articulation, can work off of a AA, CR123, or battery pack, can use 11769 or 10160 tubes, use the most common and readily available glass on the market, so if an eyepiece or objective were to break/fail, you could get it replaced rather quickly.
@@WheelchairOperator how do I know if a set of DTNVGs are the mk2 version or not? Also what about the Eotech AN/PVS-31A-UNFILMED WHITE PHOSPHOR?
@@thegolflife7565 The color of the O ring on the selector. The latest version of the DTNVG’s, which I believe is the third and final iteration, have the standard PVS style power selector.
@@thegolflife7565 PVS-31A’s are probably my #1 dream set of binos, I’d just hate to break a set being a civilian and not in the “industry” and it’s commonly known that 31’s are fragile compared to other commercially available options on the market. The cool factor of 31’s is top tier, imo, but you can create a set of binos just as lightweight using the new DTNVS, and Ether ocular lenses. With the DICC, you can still run the PVS-31 battery pack if that’s your type of thing. I would also like to mention the fact that they have created IP distance stops for the DTNVS already, so that’s neat, as well.
I like the rnvg's, but the battery compartment seems to limit how close you can bring the tubes together. Looks like you need fairly wide-set eyes to use them
Creed Bratton Have you gotten to use the RNVG’s yet? I haven’t necessarily found that to be true, but I do prefer articulation.
@@WheelchairOperator I haven't; I should've mentioned that in my
comment. in fact, I looked it up, and the average pupillary distance for men is 64mm. The RNVG's can be adjusted for a pupillary distance of 51mm-73mm, which probably accommodates for the vast majority of people. I do have a question that I can't seem to find an answer for online. Do the RNVG'S automatically shut off when you flip them up on your helmet?
Creed Bratton Gotcha. Unfortunately the RNVG’s do not shut off when flipped up into the stowed position. You have to manually shut them off with the toggle switch.
Everyone is telling me to go ACT in Black now that I’m back in the civilian world but I’m used the to PVS-31
The Golf Life It depends on what features you like. Personally speaking, I definitely prefer the DTNVG’s even though they’re not as rugged as RNVG’s. I would think that if you’re used to PVS-31’s, you’ll like the DTNVG’s. The only thing it might be weird getting used to at first is that unlike 31’s, the DTNVG’s don’t have manual gain and no interpupillary distance stops.
@@WheelchairOperator What about Getting the DTNVS? Also should I buy from TNVC?
@@thegolflife7565 TNVC has a relatively long wait time, last I heard, but they are a very reputable retailer. The only other retailer I’d recommend out of sheer personal experience is Glynn Sziraki @ Night Vision Inc. He’s been a good friend of mine for a few years now and has built multiple sets for me and always been really on top of things. I do know he’s been advertising the DTNVS with24UA L3 unfilmed white phosphor tubes, so if you want something that’s top tier in terms of performance, that would be a great option for you,
@@WheelchairOperator Sounds perfect thank you. Should I drop your name so you can get a referral fee?
@@thegolflife7565 You can most definitely hit Glynn up and let him know I sent you. I don’t get anything out of it, but I’m sure he’d appreciate that I’m sending clients his way! 😆
Im too much of a klutz, i ordered rnvgs!
Nice! RNVG’s are definitely tanks!
um um um um um so annoying
Lmao