We've All Been Duped by LED LCD's Input Lag vs OLED for Gaming - Here's the Truth [PROMOTED]
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2021
- We explain why although the input lag of LED LCD TVs is similar to OLED's in [Game Mode], the actual latency when playing games is different due to the respective pixel response times of these two display technologies.
WARNING: This video contains flashing images, especially from 5:02 to 5:07, so please avoid watching if you're someone with photosensitive epilepsy. Viewing discretion is advised.
We used an oscilloscope + photodetector to measure the pixel response time, a slow-motion camera to demonstrate the real-world impact, as well as NVIDIA's LDAT (Latency Display Analysis Tool) device to measure the total end-to-end system latency.
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Oups, too late, 😜🤪🙃😵😵💫🤤
Do you think you will do a IMAX enhanced Disney+ review/comparison to the original versions?
I really feel the new IMAX enhanced version are much better than the OG DoVi streaming versions. Some are claiming they’re literally the same. To me, they just look so much better. Like the resolution is actually better. Which even seems to make colors look better. At least Infinity War does, which is all I’ve had a chance to watch. The bigger size makes specular highlights look brighter too. Just due to the increased size. It’s just overall better!!! and I really hope this IMAX enhanced trend continues. It’s just makes the movies feel more cinematic at home. At least on my little 55” CX. Feels and looks much more like it did, when I saw it in theaters.
HdTV test Vincent I currently have a 2014 panasonic 50ax802b TV led TV and would like to get something newer at some point are there any led tvs that would have better picture quality than my current panasonic 50ax802b my dad has the dx900 Panasonic and its an awsome TV for led would need something that's 50 inch to 55 max that would have better picture quality than my panasonic 50ax802b or come close if not better than the dx900 I've seen many comparison videos on LEDs vs OLED and I'm still not convinced I prefer them yet as most off the time LEDs can look better at some points what's your thoughts on this are panasonic and Sony the most natural looking picture quality tvs because from what I've seen they seem to be the best stuck for choice in what tv to go for also if gonna upgraded I woldmt mind something witha little better motion flow
Hey Vincent, I can't find a video anywhere on UA-cam that covers the long term lifespan of OLED and how long they keep luminance over the years picture degradation etc, everything is just about burn in risks , but now that is not so much an issue, it would be interesting to hear your take on the total long term lifespan and performance of today's OLED's wether it's speculating or not consider this for a next video !?
Havent LG OLED been made a lot slower in pixel response times these last 4 generations.
Look at Rtings test on fx LG C7 55" and look at their waveform testpatterns.
2017 LG 55" C7 pixel response 80% = 0.1ms & 100% = 0.2ms. thats fast. and halleluja for PC or high framerate content but for general low framerate TV content, that is also to fast and can elevate panning stutter.
and OLEDs now a days are more like 1100% to 1200% slower with 80% around 1.1ms and 100% around 2.4ms.
Here is my 55" OLED under a macro ua-cam.com/video/PvVrIbOQbBo/v-deo.html (notice how only 3 of the 4 WRGB subpixels can be lit at once, not sure if that has been changed on later WOLED panels
Probly the most comprehensive demonstration of OLED v LED/LCD panels I've seen. Even better than the one done by Linus Tech Tips imo.
Did you notice the disclaimer at 9:18? Sponsored by LG, who makes OLED.
the one with the most BS certainly
@@marka.200 who
@@marka.200 Yeah, but, tbh.. I think he's provided enough concrete evidence to convince me, and LG isn't the only OLED manufacturer.
@@rameynoodles152 True, I'm not saying there's any bad info here, it just kinda bugs me the disclosure was a bit hidden. I prefer the upfront style many creators/influencers use by making it part of the oral presentation in the start of the video. I own a 65" LG OLED and love it, so I'm not a hater or something. More of an advocate for transparency and full disclosure in obvious and clear language and style.
My man busted out a full oscilloscope for this 😳
Had my C1 about 6 months now and could never go back to LCD/LED. OLED just looks and feels much more premium compared to other TV technologies.
@XLL38 any burn in problems? I use my computer on my TV. I’m afraid of burn in.
@YT-Watcher lol cope harder
Oled is more natural, still rocking my c7. No burn in or color degrading yet
And i play at 1080p 120fps on ps5, no need for 4k120fps yet on console
Just don't play the same game too much. My OLED now shows Minecraft hearts on any red-dominant screen, after playing with my wife for a couple years many evenings. Went back to LCD. It's good enough, and cheaper. Worth the tradeoff for me.
3rd C7 checking in, unfortunately it does have a little burn in from gaming. Although I still love OLEDs, even got a CX!
I've been gaming on an LG CX OLED for over a year and it's been fantastic with zero burn-in issues. Your video helped explain why I noticed in motion sequences, especially in games, the image appeared to stay sharper compared to my last TV which was an LED TV. Keep up the great work, love all the puns.
Same here
Does your CX lag by any chance?
@@AUA-camChannelwithNoName Not that I would notice. Im not a esport gamer though but I have played since my first Amiga.
LG B9 for two years. Used almost exclusively for gaming. Still no burn in.
At this point, even if some burn in did now occur I don't think I could go back from OLED.
@@drkintobor2597 Same. Figure this set could hold me over until microLED becomes readily available.
The natural progression has been CRT - Plasma - OLED. After CRT, Plasma carried the torch as an emissive display with a fast response time and fantastic black levels. OLED was handed the baton and is also an emissive display with fast response time and infinite black levels. I was exclusively a Plasma supporter and have been watching/supporting OLED since 2008 when Sony launched a 15 inch OLED tv that cost $2500. I’ve been an OLED owner since 2017 (a B7, now have 2 C9’s - it was a crazy deal I couldn't pass up) and couldn’t be happier. Manufacturers can rebrand all they want (LED, SUHD, QLED, etc) but they were always just an LCD. Nothing wrong with those tvs but if you're serious about gaming, movie watching and your budget allows, there is no substitute for OLED.
I agree 100% I got a C7 and just got a G1. Once you go OLED you never go LCD
me too, I owned a B7, now a 55C8 for movies and a 48C1 for PC gaming and the picture quality is amazing.
Up next: Micro LED. Then we will finally have a no compromise TV.
Great comment!
CRT-LCD-OLED. Plasma was never mass adopted. LCD's are really good display. For what they can do and deliver at very low cost. Basically LCD/LED made TVs reach every corner of teh globe. You can buy one for as cheap as a full size pizza.
OLED feels so quick. It almost feels as responsive as when I used to game on a box CRT monitor back in mid 2000s.
It’s good but let’s not exaggerate.
crt was dope...what happen to crt?
@@pioneer2321 hence the wording, "almost as responsive", mate.
@Rev Max clarity setting on a90j's motionflow is quite amazing, almost crt level and doesn't even filcker that much (compared to my previous oled fz800)
@Rev You cannot really make an accurate comparison, since CRTs did not have clear pixels, whereas OLEDs do.
CRTs used a shadow mask to project pixels onto the screen, which made the pixels fuzzy-looking. CRT pixels were never crystal sharp, whereas OLED pixels are, as well as the pixels of any other display tech with a fixed pixel grid (LCD, MicroLED).
Did not expect the CG mid way through. Very good, appreciate all you do for the TV tech community.
CG?
@@BlackEagle352computer graphics, when he did the thanos snap he used computer graphics to make it look like he had the thanos effect
Thank you for your hard work Vincent. We really appreciate the results. No one else has put this level of effort into answering these questions.
Exactly the type of video I've been waiting for. Thank you Vincent.
Your videos are so helpful for people overwhelmed by all the tech in the TV space. I had no idea where to start, and 4 videos later I have one picked out
thank you for the hard work and breaking it down so simple.
please make the sponsorship by lg more evident in the video
Once you go Oled, you never go back. Now all we need is other manufacturers to have their gaming features on par with LG.
Especially the one that makes gaming consoles.
super facts
Sony and Samsung have then on par just about especially Sony Bravia OLED TVs.
@@18matts They have now all they need to do is put 4 HDMI 2.1 ports in 2022 Bravia TVs .Sony electronics doesn't make PlayStation that Sony Interactive Entertainment.
Once you go OLED, you only go back to the repair shop...
Extraordinary explainmentation as always! This video alone contains more valuable knowledge about problematic than all those channels with millions of subs can/want to provide.
Guess I'll be saving up for an OLED TV for next year. Thanks Vincent for the great and informative videos as always!
There are great deals not only around Black Friday but after Xmas
Amazon has it so you can pay monthly payment for 5 months. If you use Amazon
Seriously, this video made the whole concept so approachable and easily accessible I can't imagine the work on the script. Thanks again
I love how you explain things in technical, then explaining in just ordinary ways. Subbed!
Thank you, Vincent for this video! You’re simply the best, funniest, and most knowledgeable person to help us understand the difference in these display technologies. We AV enthusiasts greatly appreciate your technical prowess and videos you produce that allows for us layman to make informed decisions on our AV purchases. Thanks again for providing such valuable information. Wish you unparalleled success! 🙏🏾
Interested to see input latency figures when BFI is enabled on both units, and how that compares to their standard modes. My understanding is that LG's BFI introduces a whole frame of input lag (presumably due to processing), and if that's the case I'd like LG to receive some very strong feedback about this processing delay for future televisions and monitors.
After having done human reflexes tests on my cx oled and my BenQ lcd i can confirm this, nothing scientific but there is a noticeable difference in the numbers.
You the best out here bro. Keeping it honest and clean. I returned the U8G and picked up the C1 and I can really see the quality and response difference. You got a new subscriber 👍
This is really fantastic content. This deserves far more views. Well done!
You're the man! I've been telling people that my Oled hits different when gaming but I wasn't exactly sure why when based on regular input lag numbers it didn't seem like a big difference on paper. It's so smooth when playing 4k@60fps and especially 4k@120fps when pairing with my 3080 gaming PC.
I would say my Oled even beats my 144hz gaming monitor by far in smoothness and motion clarity. There is just no smearing at all, even in the darkest scenes. No Lcd no matter how much hz is able to do that.
Hey man how do you find gaming on an OLED, I’m considering an oled but I’m on the fence due to burn in, I game a lot lol
@@ceezare3039 it's badass. I have over 4k hrs on my TV with zero burn in
@@ceezare3039 2017 LG OLED user here, no burn-in to report. TV sees daily 10+ hours of UA-cam, Movies and GAMING! Just remember to swap off your game to UA-cam for 30 secs, atleast once every 60 minutes of gaming or else you will end up with Burnt in Heart icons from LoZ Breath of the Wild. We played that game for 200+ hours, no burn-in; some chick on reddit did the same BUT never swapped screens while playing, Heart icon burn-in.
Only had an Oled (CX65) for a week now, so can't say anything about burn ins, but gaming is great. Played on a Samsung before and that was already nice. But the OLED quality...simply stunning.
might as well go watch the four play that is involved with this video. thanks, great explaination
This channel is a absolutely master piece when talking about displays
Wow, love the elevated production value in this video 😉😉😉 Great content as usual.
I’ve always attributed how jarring 30fps felt in games to me getting more and more used to 60fps games on consoles. However, I also felt like 30fps felt much worse since I got my first OLED TV and now I wonder whether the lower pixel response time of LCDs actually helped to „smooth“ out the 30fps picture since the transitions were still going on while they’re already completed almost instantaneously on an OLED? If so, that’s a very interesting insight I wasn’t aware of - thanks for educating us once again!
Yes, the OLED's pixel response time does accentuate the choppiness on 30fps footage.
When I locked DOOM Eternal to 30 fps, and then turned on motion blur, it actually looked great again and didn't look choppy whatsoever (my laptop has a 120Hz panel, I have no idea what its pixel response is). So yeah, near instantaneous pixel response might actually be bad for low framerate content.
Also double images when refresh rate doesn't match framerate feels worse on oled because of instant response Time. Matching them makes for a perfect experience.
@@bastol85 Any decent OLED display with FreeSync?
@@ObsceneSuperMatt My lg 65 cx is the best gaming display i've had since crt days.
Great Stuff! As always!
Incredible coverage of this concept. Seriously nice job. Subbed and liked.
You have a great skill being able to break down complicated matters into easily understandable demonstrations. Thank you for sharing you knowledge
Here's an excellent video explaining how local dimming works.
ua-cam.com/video/SnrFE8kEeyQ/v-deo.html
Have my thumbs up. That Thanos part was great.
I had a feeling the Infinity Stones reference was coming when you did the snap analogy.
Thanks Mr Potter. You’re the man when it comes to proper TV reviews 👍
Thank you Vincent Theo for outstandingly clear demonstrations and explanations making me capture the significance in less than a millisecond!
Outstanding work, but I was always co concerned about oled degrading over time, burn ins, and inconsistencies over the space of the screen.
Linus tech tips recently had a video talking about OLED image retention. The TL;DR is that yes it does happen, and within a few years if it's heavy desktop use, but it's still a fantastic display tech that is still maturing
samsung microled, extremely expensive t.v, solved it. basically it has the attributes of oled without the burn in.
@@RChero1010 So basically wait until it's "older".
I don’t know. I have the Vizio OLED 55 and it does a much better job at not burning in after-images than my LG OLED. I use it as my main monitor and I am always shocked at how little after-image is left on the Vizio.
Been running a Sony Bravia master series for 2 years now. Not a single time have I had image retention.
4:10 = Best. Analogy. Ever.
Fantastically informative and well presented. As always. Thanks 👍🏻🙂
Thankyou vincent. I enjoy your videos. I must confess I was drawn to the brighter image of the led here.
this is why the screen on the iPhone 13 pro (oled 120hz) looks so much smoother and clearer in motion when compared to that of the iPad pro (LCD 120hz).
Now imagine seeing the difference on a real life size screen.
If the LCD on the iPad is anything like on the new Macbook Pro which I suspect it is, Apple aren't using panels in the same league as gaming IPS LCDs when it comes to response times, with rise times 10 times as slow as a typical gaming IPS. It's really not a reasonable comparison if you're expecting the iPad to be representative of LCD tech. The response times are so slow that they're not actually capable of fully displaying their 120hz refresh rate. Mostly fine for content consumption that isn't gaming but it's not exactly showcasing the best of LCD
Yeah I noticed this also. The 120hz has the fluidity of 120hz but not the motion sharpness. There's a lot of ghosting on the display. A 120hz oled like on a S21 look significantly sharper in motion.
Oled is just a better technology. LCD was never a great technology it's only now after decades of refinement that they're decent. They always had major draw backs, they only strength was efficiency and brightness and cost.
@@kendokaaa yeah my 27 inch 144herts 1440p LED $1,000 gaming monitor kills any OLED or LCD gaming tv in response lag
Even better explained than Linus Tech Tips. Good work!
Just to let everyone know that I followed Vincent and HDTVTest when they they still review TV on their website and when this channel was under 10K subscriber. Glad it grow this big in a matter of couple of years. Simply the best when it come to TV reviews.
Your expertise on display technology is astounding and your dry humor is always on point. This video was quite articulate and through, even a noob like me understood it. Outstanding work and thank you.
My god, your videos are most helpful I really appreciate your work. Thanks
“Infinity stones” 😆 I did not see that coming! Great video man! Keep up the good work 👍🏽
the vfx was actually really well done too lmao
That custom test pattern is hilarious! Also super informative
Great videos as usual... Great analysis with some fun parts! Congratulations!
Excellent video, super interesting stuff
Makes me want an oled
OLEDs are freaking awesome. Love it for my gaming and movie needs!
Gaming it's Russian roulette.
Dont forget to unplugg them from the wall after 4 hours cause they do Pixel Refreshing on Standbymode.
@@brucekazakos8647 why wouldn't u want pixel refresh
@@Real.384 Take a look at this (NEVER ! Do this with an LG OLED,here’s why) by The Tech Giant. Hope this helps.
@@Real.384 Or This (DON’T press this button on LG OLED,until you watch this!)
Holy crap. Excellent content! So well presented and thorough. Subbed, liked, great job!
Thank you Theo for this very interesting video. Excellent presentation and explanation.
I know this is an old video, but I would like to say it's a shame it doesn't mention the feel of low framerate (30fps) games. There is much more noticeable judder (I hope that's the right word) than on LED LCD. The effect is shown in the Call of Duty clip, where the OLED picture looks jarring, but it doesn't make clear how it feels during actual gameplay. In fact, I didn't really find any info on this until after I noticed it myself on my new tv and specifically went looking for an answer.
I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn on PS5 at the moment, where performance mode at 60fps is a big graphical downgrade but resolution mode at 30fps feels very choppy. This is on my LG C1 but applicable to OLED as a technology and something that wasn't nearly as bothersome on my 10 year old Sony LED LCD. Thankfully it doesn't bother me in movies, though that might be due to Filmmaker mode.
So yeah. OLED seems to be great for games at 60fps or higher, but bad for those running at 30fps. I wonder how Ratchet and Clank fares at 40fps.
Yes this is true, 30fps oled gaming is unplayable, it happens in movies too on lateral panning scenes, lg uses trumotion to hide this but a true cinema lover Will disable all this crap
The Thanos Analogy killed me. I saw it coming but it was still hilarious.
Thank you, this was an amazing comparison!
Big thanks for Vincent, all this time I was thinking this "problem" @ 0:36 are attributed to "just" motion resolution alone.
I would love to see this comparison on the Nintendo switch vs the switch OLED, simple because the whole system is self contained. There is no input to computer to os to GPU to display in a traditional sense. As far as I know, the whole system operates on the same board essentially. But I could be wrong.
I’m so glad I got my LG GX earlier this year. It’s been an incredible experience
The difference is really obvious when you actually try both, but this explains WHY it's so different, even though the traditional numbers would seem to indicate it's closer than it actually is. Thanks for this video!
It really doesn't that much. That is coming from someone who use the TV as a PC monitor and pushed to the extreme. 4k 120Hz HDR Freesync and 8k.
The ding at the end…well done sir!!
This is a great explanation of why I’ll be selling my LG CX and buying a decent LCD TV this year (likely Sony X95K). The stutter is horrible at 24-60 fps, with only 120 fps looking smooth on my Xbox Series X.
Thank you for this video. This explains why I am so horrible at FPS games. It's not my fault. It's my LCD TV slow response time fault.
Yes. I can sleep in peace.
RIP... or so the FPS kids would say.
You need a Monitor to play competitive. Not a TV. Noob
@@REDxFROG I play for fun.
@@kevonmanuel and you say you're horrible at FPS games when you play them for fun? That's not even funny. Because 31 vote up since they take it serious.
Imagine the LCD Monitors we've had back in 2002. But people were still freaking awesome.
@@REDxFROG Are you insane? This is about video games. Why the heck are you taking this so seriously? I hope you are not a grown man because that will be worrisome.
Very impressive video. Super glad with my LG G1
Best tv UA-camr ever, your the reason I got the lg c1 for my ps5 👌 thanks for making my gaming experience excellent
I love my LG C1. I don't think I'll ever go back to LCD. OLED is the king for playing video games.
King of burn ins
@@dist221 yes
@@dist221 FUD. Keep your QLED and other LCD tech TVs, king of blooming and washed out blacks.
@@waynelewis9110 Go babysit your tv. Btw look for banding too
@@dist221 you’re missing out so much my man, burn in is non existent since c9
Amazing, we had the technology with 1 ms of lag, had nice colors, wide viewing angles, deep blacks, didnt need highest resolution to look good, and now we make videos to see which tecnology that replaced it sucks less while still sucking a lot.
But those large crt screens are heavy as.. bulky too. But I agree with the point you made. It's funny how backwards we have gone. I guess it's the trade off for larger screen sizes
@randomguy8196 -Geometry only was an issue if it was wrong. -
Weight yeah but you didnt had to have the biggest one.
-Flicker isnt an issue. more like a personal preference.
So yeah, crt had its own issues, but nothing that grants a comparative about how this crt sucks more or less than the other crt.
sorry, but I don't agree. The #1 criteria of a display should be the quality of the image. And no CRT to ever exist could compete with a 4k OLED display. Neither in regard of image sharpness, stability (flickering), colors or contrast.
So yes, CRT had and still has its advantages in some "secondary" traits but it sucks in the most relevant trait.
@@zoolz8l You want static pictures. Motion is the #1 criteria, and CRT beats the crap out of OLED. And quality wise, OLED still lack the contrast of CRT as well as a very different dynamic range. Wouldnt be surprised at all to know you use motion interpolation.
@randomguy8196 The CRTs in the early 2000's were much better than the average CRTs in the 90's. I get more eyestrain from LCD than a CRT it its set to at least 85hz. LCD has inversion artifact, the screen constantly flickers between different colors, you just dont see it because the brain filters it out, but it still causes eyestrain. Its a gamble if you get a good LCD or not, i owned plenty LCDs that gave me horrible eyestrain, much worse than any CRT.
I bought a CX 65 after researching and watching your videos. I've had it about a year now and it still amazes me now. It wasnt cheap but its the best thing I've bought in a long time. No problems with it whatsoever
Got tons of problem with the tech.
- Yellow that looks green
- VRR flickering
- horizontal white line glitch with GSYNC
- horizontal banding on peak brightness
- pixel overshoot
- dark tone light variations in grainy movies (really distracting)
- tv makes a high pitched sound when turned off
It's far from being a perfect tv and I had much less problem with lcd.
At the end of the day it still looks really good and I enjoy gaming on it in specific condition (no vrr, not too bright) but I'm always distracted when watching a movie there.
Also I was happy with the peak brightness until I tried hdr on the new macbook and now I really know why people said that the TV isn't bright enough.
Hdr on that tv barely feels hdr.
Amazing video and I love that you added the asterisk with "sponsored by LG" when giving your conclusion.
I would however like to point out that the difference in the end on 10ms that and OLED is faster in terms of total latency isn't what I expected. That's still fairly high, and it's 25% slower on an LCD but that's still only 10ms more.
10ms feels like a lot. I had a monitor for a while that had a 7ms response time, but every other feature on it was fantastic so I chose it anyway. Gaming on it gave me a headache after a few minutes, every single time. I've never bought a monitor with lower than a 4ms response time since, and it's changed the way I perceive a few milliseconds when it comes to features on my displays.
We just got 2 LG OLED C1's in the house, and my Gawd!!! What an incredible display. It feels like everything I play is running at higher graphical settings than when I play the same content on my nice Samsung LED LCD display. The jump in quality is insane!
Agreed! I jus got the C1 also and it definitely takes gaming a level or 2 up!
The CX is one of the best investments I have done for my gaming hobby.
Have the LG A1, was concerned about screen burn in but no issues so far and love the response time and colours it produces.
I watched all this video even when i got the info i needed just to support this channel! Great concise and informative. Thank you sir. Like and sub earned.
I have LG oled B9 since its release with hundreds of hours of gaming, even static layouts like FIFA or COD Warzone, and do not have a single burn in at all. For me, OLED is still a king and once I get the bun in I will not hesitate to buy OLED again.
My LG OLED C7 had a little burn in after 2 years and I found a Pixel Refresher in the menu. It totally worked and brought the screen back to normal. No need to buy a new one. Peace.
I ended up getting a QN95 a few months back, and definitely super happy with it, but pretty sure I'll switch to OLED for my next TV in 4-5 years or so. (Unless MicroLED is better & affordable then)
Yea im hopeing micro becomes a thing in 5 years. If not I will get the OLED. For now since I can only have one tv and playing alot of games with static huds (fighting games) i am sticking to the QN90a. I have a few gripes with it but for the most part its the best picture i have ever seen.
@@theelusivememe1772 i had the c1 and switched it for a qn90a, brightness is a lot more important than i originally thought. Even in a darker room the c1 under performed as the brightness of the qn90A just demands your pupils attention. better design IMO aswell.
@@Top-NotchRentals haha no it's not. Contrast is more important than anything. Blasting several thousands nits in your face at night, while ruining image quality, is not what you want to get a good image. OLED beats LCD TVs with ease in tests and OLED is used for reference testing for this exact reason. Not a single LCD even comes close and even Samsung goes OLED now, because LCD can't compete, at all. OLED has better image quality by far, better pixel response and less smearing, way better than LCD on pretty much every aspect and it's way more healthy for your eyes too. LCD blasts your retina with blue light, this has been proven tons of times. Besides, my OLED can get plenty bright. 77 inch G1. Samsung has milked its customers for years at this point, selling expensive LCD trash. Lipstick on a pig, while talking OLED down because they could not produce it. Samsung praises OLED for mobile/tablet hahaha. This changes now, Samsung releases OLED for TOP-END LINE at CES 2022. LCD is finally only mid-end stuff even in Samsungs eyes. LCD in the future will only be entry to mid-end stuff. OLED and MLED (in 5-10 years) will have high-end locked down, you won't see a single LCD TV in the flagship segment.
@SlobberChops one day it will burn in and he will cry heh
@@Dr.WhetFarts as someone who has had both the qn90a and the lg c1, both do things better than the other tv. Especially when it comes to sdr gaming, qn90a destroys it.
i now a lot about TVs, difference and so on, but this is next level. hats down to you!
What a detailed work , man !
WoW ! 👏👏👏
I am very happy with the A80J.
I am still gaming on CRT, still much superior to LCD/OLED, especially for old classic games.
Great videos, keep it up . We need more of this honest reviews 👌
I have to whole heartedly backup E. Rice's comments, took my words and sentiments completely out of my mouth. Well written and absolutely perfect critique of yourself and your brilliant channel.👍👌😍🏆🏅( 5⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐'s).
It's no doubt you're an academic.
May you always continue to be Blessed.
Warmest regards always JOHN. 🇿🇦RSA.
I have 3 oled TVs, C6/B7/CX ranging from 55” - 77”. The technology has improved so much that burn in really isn’t an issue if proper precautions are taken. I have also gamed on all 3 TVs for long periods of time along with streaming app menus constantly on screen.
I will say, I’m purchasing a QN85 exclusively for gaming. Why? Peace of mind and not having to take so many precautions. I know the Qn85 will be abused and picture quality is pretty good. Input delay is also phenomenal and as a competitive gamer that’s all that matters.
Today’s technology is so good that there really is no need to bash one over the other. Prices are also affordable to where you can have a tv to fit every need.
What a surprise LG Display is the sponsor and Vincent manages to mention his two favourites from this year, LG C1 and G1 yet again!
An amazing informative video. Thank you for doing it. As a layman, I learned a lot watching this.
I love this guy's content! So damn funny, entertaining, and logical!!! Just watched one video last week and I am hooked.
That slow mo capture is a great demonstration of the OLED stutter effect as well. The LCD smearing the content often feels more natural to most people rather than the slide show like stutter. Definitely better at 120hz I'm sure. It'd be interesting to get some pro gamers to test them side by side. Honestly the smoother smearing might actually feel more natural and easier for aim based games than OLEDs instant frame by frame. It's like built in motion smoothing even if slightly slower. Our brains might predict the directions etc better. Would be a fascinating experiment.
Also keep in mind that I believe on a VA panel coming out of black will be the slowest response time. This is why the most thorough gaming monitor reviews will measure the response time coming in and out of a variety of shades, where on VA black will always be the worst (a reason that IPS or TFT is the choice of pro gamers in some cases) but it's not the whole story.
There's a reason monitors aimed at gamers have settings to reduce response times.
Thank you that I found another reason to be happy that I bought LGC1
Great Video Very Informative I just purchased a LG C1 Earlier today and will be receiving it next week so I'm doing some research And trying to learn more about OLED TVS Before I get it
I still remember playing some horror game on my Q9FN a few years back. The smearing was so extreme I just couldn't play the game. Not wanting to accept it was my fancy 2.3k costing tv I checked everything, but to no avail. TV review sites claimed it was one of the best tv's for gaming...it was not.
Bought a Oled for its quick response time. Never going back.
Wait til oled is able to do 240htz like some led 144 monitored can now
@SlobberChops I doubt the motion handling is improved over any other led.there is alot of ghosting smearing in an LED ,even a oled has some ghosting.yes there are motion enhancments but they introduce lag and picture is oversly smooth so I prefer having it off at all times so that's why led is crap compared to oled
@SlobberChops
q9fn:
80% Response Time
3.5 ms
100% Response Time
15.5 ms
QN90A:
80% Response Time 3.3 ms
100% Response Time
8.9 ms
Better, but still pretty bad compared to a under 1 ms 100% transition for an OLED. QN90A still cannot finish a 100% accurate image under 1 frame(8.3 ms).
@@magyararon6918 so typical.
@@wingedhussar1453 you are incapable of even a shred of objectivity
Great information! Put the final nail in the coffin though... do the same tests...but between the C1 and a "Gaming" PC Monitor. While not as convenient for computer use (no CEC control to power the C1 on and off from a PC, should use motion wallpapers, hide task bar etc)...I have tried to explain to others how I can not see an advantage to my 165Nz MSI MAG274QRF-QD over the C1 in motion clarity...and the MSI monitor is no slouch when it comes to response times. But no one believes me! For my use case though I have a lot of retro and modern gaming systems as well as my PC all hooked up though my C1 so it makes sense to use the C1 as my primary PC monitor as well (gives me the option to scoot my chair back for full screen 16:9 PC games with a controller, and up close gaming like battlefield in an Ultrawide resolution so the HUD is still in my FOV.
That's just becuse 99% of people playing on PC monitors haven't tried to game on a TV since they were teens trying it out on their parents early 1080p or early 4K VA TV's where even game mode still added 80-120ms input lag compared to monitors :p That's... usually the reason.
And the average monitor still smokes the average TV. But once we get to the high level midrange and high level products, things change. OLED is simply a different beast alltogether.
@@KindOldRaven My Point Exactly :) but compare one of these "Gamer" 42" 4k Monitors from Gigabyte or Asus... they are practically the same price as an C1, Cx, C9 OLED... but still not as good!
@@KindOldRaven Monitors are ridiculously overpriced.
I just got my LG c1 65 inch yesterday. I'm in love. Glad I went with an oled.
Always amazing videos. Thank you
What was the GTG and rise and fall timing of the led you tested? The black to white transition of led is know as being slow but with content on screen where the crystals are active the transition time is typically significantly reduced.
Even your sponcored stuff is more filled with knowlegable stuff, than most of orhers "unbiased" reviews.
350,000+ subs Vincent! doing well I hope. Great Vid on this love my OLED.
Man this was great info. It’s something I know but always have trouble explaining to other people.
If setting the ldat to 4k 120 hdr instead of 4k 60 hdr would we have seen a similar time (ms) difference in total system lag between oled and led LCD ??? Thanks Vincent 😊
lg promotions aside, this is a clear cut video which explains why OLED is superior technology.
still not happy about 40 ms end to end, but thats probably at least twice as fast as consoles.
i would also like this same test done on a CRT
Not to be rude, but delays in hardware mostly stack up (or do you mean that?).
@@Hyper1555
oh yeah, i understang the entire pipeline had multiple areas which add latency
i wonder if its possible for there ever to be a situation with actual instant response
i guess its impossible unless you had an infinite refresh rate
@@documentthedrama8279 It's called the matrix
Love this video! Thanks for the education 🙏
Oled all the way on my next TV 📺
Very thorough video. Well done. ❤️
I was actually impressed with how fast and smooth everything seemed when I got my LG BX OLED. Combine that with the inky blacks, it made the colors look a lot more vivid due to contrast.
Oled is awesome. Love my C9
Same here I’m enjoying playing on my 55 inch C9
@@5562397 best tv I've ever had
C 9 G a n g 👊
I only have a B9. 😪😪😪
Still better than any LED on the planet ! 😁😁😊... at least in a dark room .... 🥴
....and 10 percent brighter than a C1 in SDR !
But I have QN90A in my gaming room ! 😝😝😝
Excellent video. Would you mind sharing which camera you used for the 1000FPS footage?
This is amazing! Thank you for your explanation of the difference. I would imagine that OLED more similar to CRT than LCD hence the lag from non-HDMI gaming consoles on LCD. Understandably, some knock-off systems quality is lower therefore they cause their own latency no matter the display technology.
*LCD, not LED.
@@Tomazack my phone “corrected” a typo that wasn’t a typo. Thanks!