Yes a lovely song. I think it really suited the 1073, it had a 70s feel to it. This was a time when the 1073 was the go to pre amp for those giant mixing desks. Giant Ashtray full of dog ends anyone!
Good lord I have used and owned a lot of 1073 pres including this one. Never could put a finger on what bothered me about them. I think they are too thick! Serious buildup in the low mids in this demo. That 88LRB sounds freaking amazing. Thanks for the demo! I am gonna order one. The mix is so musical and open with the 88. Night and day.
Great VDO man, thanks. I have owned the AMS Neve1073 LB and thought it sounded great until I got the BAE 73 MPL and much prefer the more vintage sounding (Warm or dull) BAE. Would love to try the 88R LB one day.
Hey Sam! Do you feel that Bae has smoother upper mids than Ams 1073lb? I had Ams 1073 dpa with u87ai and i thought that sound was too strident and sharp in the high mids.
I did use a U87ai with my 1073lb and found what you said to be true, hence why I prefer the BAE, but the U87 does have the mide range push. I now use a u47 clone from Nordic Audio with the BAE 73mpl, Ive gotten great results.
First off Alex, thank you for your very insightful videos. I know a lot of hard work was done behind the scenes. One additional thing I noticed is the transients on the 88R are faster on the drums vs the 1073 which has a little more relaxed sound. Though both are good, with my studio current setup with all ready having a Manley Voxbox and other gear, the 88R I am more attracted to.
Channel splitters usually cause impedance loading interaction between connected pre-amps. You can test your channel splitter by connecting something like a Cloud Lifter Variable Z to one pre-amp then passing a tone through the splitter into the connected pre's and listen when you vary the impedance on the pre-amp with the CL variable Z if it effects the other connected pre-amp(s). Very nice song by the way - very well performed.
Thank you so much! :) I would say they are similar in that they don’t get in the way. However the 88RLB the feels like it allows for more depth, slightly softer tone and an extended bottom end compared to the Audient. I’m a big fan of the tone of the 88RLB. :)
In your song you seem to have preferred the 88r for more transient sources and the 1073 for less transient sources. Can you explain why? Would love a follow up video actually A/Bing the two pres on the same instrument in solo
Hi Dean! :) thanks for commenting. I preferred the 88R on all sources, I found it had a little more of an open tonality that got me to the intended result quicker. Sometimes you want to have something that is a little softer, thicker and harmonically rich to soothe the upper mids of some more aggressive sources, and that’s where the 1073 comes in and really helps. I think hearing the full production is a healthy way of hearing the full effect of each circuit spread across a production, rather than isolated instances. But that’s just me! Hope this answers your questions Dean! :)
@@alecbrits I guess your demo really got me to spend some money - you should get some royalities from the manufacturers for your great advertisment ;-) Maybe I'll get the 88R LB too since it offers something different. I was thinking of the API 512c, but maybe I'll rather go with the 88R LB as alternative. For very clean stuff I already have an SSL 500 Six Cannel. It's great that Neumann re-launched the U-67. It's expensive, yes, but it's brand new and not used without a guarantee. And they exactly copied the original specs. This is very tempting.
Beautiful work, Alec. I've just watched several videos, and through my Dynaudio BM6A's and Klipsch sub, I liked every 1073 labeled product the best. Warm, punchy AND inviting, perhaps the closest to my old MCI JH116 two inch tape machine. I need to upgrade my computer and interface (currently Antelope Zen Studio and early 2015 macbook pro). After watching your videos, I'm leaning toward a 2020 M1 mac 64 gig ram and 4TB M. Thinking the 1073opx would be great as an interface (maybe the Neumann as a close second, sonically) Thank you for the fantastic music to help me decide!
I would love to see,How the new West-audio Phoebe 500 Series compared to api and NEVE 1073/88R PREAMP CONSIDERING - NEVE 88R/NEVE 1073/API 512V/Rupert Neve 511 and the new West-audio Phoebe I want to purchase my first preamp for tracking male vocals, My interface is a Apollo with the TLM 103 and to be honest im truly confident with your opinion, I love your videos, and look everywhere if you have a Spotify channel because I love your music. thanks you for giving us all this knowledge and top tier content.
I find your videos very useful, subbed. and you making some really great music as well. Very relaxing to watch your videos with lots of great information to..
88RLB is so much more dynamic and natural sounding. Always found the 73LB a lil compressed sounding, tho at times to it's benefit. The tops on the 73LB seems a tad more open due to less midrange and dynamics coming through, but the 88RLB is so much more lively and clear that I'll probably favor it 9/10 times.
Thanks Geoffrey! :) the biggest thing is having the flexibility of the EQ and the filters on the DPX, but sonically the two pre’s are pretty damn spot on!
Say I wanted to record analogue kick drum? Which one should I go for? Say I wanted to record the whole mix throught a few of these, which one should I go for?
It’s hard to give you an answer for both of these questions. If you are looking for a pre that is going to give you a lot of character and some tasteful distortion when pushed, then the 1073 is the way to go. If you would like to have a versatile pre with a lovely tone that’s well represented across a very wide palette of sources, then the 88RLB is the option out of these two. :)
Hello, I have a question. Could you explain why some people have two preamp or equalizer units while others only have one? Is it possible to record or mix audio with a single 500-series compressor or preamp?
Sounds great. My preference is the 88 RLB. How's the clarity and depth compared to the 511? The clips I've head of the 511 sound much clearer and open than the 1073.
Fuller agree with you there. :) I’ve not spent time with the 511’s. But I can imagine them to be more open. They don’t have Two transformers, but you can dial in the saturation to match what you want. Big fan of the RND stuff. :)
am I missing something...was this an A/B shootout? different instruments were going through different preamps simultaneously, sooo...how do we differentiate per source? too much going on! 😢
Hey Bobby, hearing the cumulative effect is a really powerful and fast way to hear the character of a mic pre. In the future there will be a way to access the stems and make your own choices.
nice song and recordingfs, but in a nutshell i would like to know whats the real differene between neve 511 or neve 1073lb. being almost double priced?
The RND only has one transformer, more open tone with the open of dialling in how much saturation you want with the silk. The RND also has a great variable hpf. The 1073 LB is $300 dollars more. Two transformers. Not too sure why the prices are that far apart. :)
Very so much fantastic ,Me.Alec! May you indicate this preamplifier on livestreamings? It is honor learn upon sounds equiments with you-Master about on Studios. Lord bless you.
Hi Alec. I'm in a quandary - I've the 1073DPX and am looking to get another couple of pres. I'm torn between a pair of API 312s or Neve 88rlbs...any thoughts and insights are greatly appreciated. Love your work, my friend!
Totally different issues for both. I have purchased the 67’s first, but saving for a pair of 49’s next. The 67’s are SO versatile. I’ll do a review video on them soon!
@@alecbrits I am building up my mic locker as well buts it’s so much prioritizing to be done. Do I get good tube mics or maybe classic ribbons? Should I put that on ice and finally get a stereo set of distressors or should I spend som ekstra money on new fancy plugins? Hahah, luckily I own pretty good outboard and mics already, but I want MOREE.
We will never stop buying pieces of gear. Just figure out what will save you time and boost your creativity. That should always be the primary objective. :)
Nice one. Would love to hear the Neve 1073 next to a BAE 1073. There is surprisingly little out there with samples on how they are different and similar.
Thank you! :) I’m a little hesitant to go down the road of comparing units that are trying to do the same thing at the moment. I think the two companies both do great work, but I don’t want to start the whole “which 1073 is best” thing. It just gets nasty in the comments for no reason. There are so many different mic pre’s out there that I would love to try out first before doing shootouts between the same two designs. Hope this makes sense! :)
I feel the 88r pre’s have a more of an open tone, more forgiving on the top end. I really enjoy how tracks sound when they are stacked up, like BVS and drums. Big fan of the 88R.
I wonder how much EQ you did in post. did you leave everything raw? cause it sounds very tidy. I wonder because other than more lows and highs on the 88's I don't hear a lot of differences, and i'm missing that 3-5db boost 73 usually has on 5-6K. in fact is sounds like that boost is on the 88. I almost feel like you got the channels mixed up.
How do you think these compare with the phoenix audio Ascent? I know pheonix is sometimes described like a never but with a more open sound , how does it sound compared to the 88? Is the 88 thicker /brighter? Curious how you have experienced them and what you think of the 3 in terms of warmth / brightness. I am curious about these products myself Thanks for any help
Thanks for the comment! :) they are different beasts, the ascent also gives you the opportunity to EQ and tone shape on the same unit. I’d likely put the 88 closer to the ascent than the 73.
Would you say the 73, then 88, then ascent from darkest to brightest? I listened to your ascent video bs this one tough to say since they are not the same recording but it seems more open up top in general . Little more pointed on the high end, whereas these may be rounder. I like a warm rounded tone so idk maybe I’d prefer the neve. Though frankly I was lookin at the 517 . Have you ever tried the older Phoenix audio Pres? I saw those a big cheaper and idk if they are infact a lot noiser than the current ones, since noise reduction was apparently one of the benefits of the new ones
Hey Alec, am new to 500 series modules, could you suggest me a good EQ module (preferably passive EQ, am open to other types too) that is not too expensive?, my music genre is similar to what you do.
Hey Jasper! :) thanks for the question. I would lean towards an API 550A. It’s aromatic always what’s needed. You can of course go for a similar styled unit too.
@@alecbrits You mean something like a Class A 3 band EQ?. I have been eyeing a bit on the Lindell Audio PEQ-501a and the sound skultptor EQP-501. Do you know or have heard of these 2 modules ?
I have an APHEX USB 500 Lunchbox (4 slots) which too has an included A/D converter and USB like the Cranborne. I hope this isn't much inferior to the one in the Cranborne Audio R8.
I’m currently reviewing the R8. The video will be up soon, that way you can hear what you think and what the added workflows are in the R8. I hope you will enjoy it!
@@alecbrits Great, thanks for letting me know! I just subscribed. I only just recently got the Aphex USB 500 after a long research for a small lunchbox (not rack) with included converter since I love easy to use and portable stuff - and I found the Aphex. But unfortunately they discontinued this great device some years ago already. Then, by pure chance, I strumbled accross a dealer which still had a new one in stock, and I went for it. SOS has a very promising review of the box. Apart from the included AD-conveter and USB interface (which also allows you to insert the box in a DAW-session like a plugin) the box offers patch--switches on its back which lets you send audio from one module directly to the another one without using cables, which is fantastic imho. Like this you can set up a vocal-chain without using a single cable. It's everything I could dream of. I have no idea why Aphex discontinued this product. The converters seem good (they use the same ADC chip as used in the Apogee Ensemble), but if it's up to the Apogee (which also depends on the clock) I still have to find out. I do have an Apogee Rosetta, but it's another separate device, and I love to have all in one small package with direct connection to the computer via USB.
It does not mean you NEED two, if you are using two mics, then two pre’s will do the trick. You can compress in the DAW till you find what kind of compression works for you.
I have not done a side by side comparison, but I would imagine they are very similar. :) I felt like I was using my 1073 when using the 1073LB. It has the vibe that I’m looking for in spades.
I'm just curious: when you say the splitter has iso output then it sounds like that output has a transformer in the signal path. That might alter the signal. It is also possible to do this kind of configuration with just a y-cable. Then it is 100% sure that the signals are identical. Anyway, great video! Keep it up!
That 88R preamp is incredible... I've always heard great things about the preamps in those consoles but I'm really surprised at how great the 500 series version sounded. Such an underrated pre. In my opinion, it smoked the 1073 LB on everything (except for bass, where I liked the 1073's extra fatness). The depth and clarity of the mix took a quantum leap forward with the 88R. Maybe I'll have to pick myself up a few :)
Luckily, I've had an opportunity to work on both boards. I've always found going straight from the pre into the box is the best sound for guitars and bass. Very little e.q. just to pull extra stuff out, and usually a gate for the drums. Working on a handful of different consoles, imo the 88R is in a league of it's own, it's unfair in a way, because nothing else sounds like it.
Hello Alec! Would you say that there is a well defined difference between the U87 and the U67? I currently have a U87ai and was wondering if its worth to get a 67.
Hi Y Reyes! :) there is a pretty big difference between the two mics for sure. The 87 has a boost in the upper mids that sometimes makes the voice feel a little too forward or harsh. The 67 is a more forgiving or smoother sounding microphone. It’s a little more versatile because of that. :)
Hi! if you had to choose one pair to record mostly stereo acoustic guitars, piano and percussion , like ( bongos, cajon, etc ) which one do you recommend ? RND511 or Neve 88R lb ? thank you very much !
Love the video and really helped me decide to get both the 1073LB and 88R, into my 500r8, I'd love to get your opinion on this, I am single production artist who does majority guitar & elektron A4 tracking but mostly running samples from my DAW to my outboard for "refinement" do you think a single unit of the above pre's is sufficient? I am looking for a compact multi-use box and I am thinking of using the other slots for a zhal eq1 and some compressors and perhaps a reverb, any advice is appreciated.
Hey Lewis, thanks for the comment. I would potentially look into getting a pair of matched units to be able to process stereo stems. Running things through pre’s will help the effect, but perhaps not as much as eq/compression will.
I like your videos, but may I please make a small request. When doing shoutouts where your recording multiple different sources individually, could you please possibly either make some segments showing just the solo'd sources, or possibly include download files that we could download to listen to ourselves? If not I understand, I know videos like this are alot of work. But either way, great job and I still really like them!
Thank you for your great video! I’m thinking a lot about NEVE88RLB, because of versatility and open sound, but especially DI input. I have already quite a lot of mic preamps, and Today I would like to get a preamp with DI for bass guitar etc… (pop/rock) so do you think NEVE88RLB can be a good choice between (API/BAE/portico etc… )? Or any other recommendations ? Many thanks
I think there are a lot of great options really. The 88RLB will not let you down. If you already have a good selection of mic pre’s then I would look into some different DI box options. REDDI, Radial, Motown, RND and Avalon (there are a lot more, but I can’t list them all here!). This way you can pair them with different pre’s from clean to dirty and really get the tone you are looking for per production.
Thanks a lot for your answer🙏. i actually use radial active and passive DI, and BSS DI. Looks good the REDDI, and I didn’t know about Motown DI ! Thank you , Looks really cool. Yes it’s a good idea to get more « dirty» ones ! Thanks again for everything and your videos ! Very nice sound and nice songs !
Amazing review and song as always!! You're channel will be blowing up before you know it. Which do you prefer on male vocal, the Flea 49 or U67? Is the 67 a reissue? Cheers!!🍻
Thank you so much Phill! :) I don’t have a preference really. I have purchased the 67’s, but the next purchase will be a pair of 49’s. I am using the re-issue 67.
Great comparison! I own both pre’s (and a Manultec Orca Bay too!) and you really can’t go wrong with either one. Beautiful studio and great recording 👍
Great review! But honestly you need to tone down your writing skills for these vids. 😅 I totally forgot about the preamps…what a track! Amazing songwriting skills! Is it available anywhere? Couldn’t find it. All the best
Thanks so much! :) the tunes are starting to come out soon. Wrapping up the demo process currently, then it’s gonna be straight into record mode from there.
I was vibing so hard to the song that i forgot this was a preamp shootout.
Thank you so much!! :D
@@alecbrits such an emotional song that really had me in my feels..great music
Yes a lovely song. I think it really suited the 1073, it had a 70s feel to it. This was a time when the 1073 was the go to pre amp for those giant mixing desks. Giant Ashtray full of dog ends anyone!
I see beaches hearing this. ❤
Old pros know that what's going into the preamp is far more important than the preamp. Good mic amps just put some polish on good talent.
Honestly, this is the best audio channel on UA-cam
That is extremely kind! Thank you so much.
X2!
Good lord I have used and owned a lot of 1073 pres including this one. Never could put a finger on what bothered me about them. I think they are too thick! Serious buildup in the low mids in this demo. That 88LRB sounds freaking amazing. Thanks for the demo! I am gonna order one. The mix is so musical and open with the 88. Night and day.
Fully agree! Big fan of the 88rlb. :)
The 88R LB is amazing and I am glad I chose this over the 1073 LB as my home studio mic pre. Great review!
Thank you so much! :) the 88RLB’s are my choice between the two for sure. 👌🏽👌🏽
Bro so useful, please keep putting out content like this.. will def stay updated! Cheers
Thank you! :)
Holy smokes that music!! Stumbled upon this by accident and I’m blow away. Excellent voice and talent !!
Thank you so much for the very kind words! :)
Camden (with Mojo) vs 88RLB? Which one do you feel is more versatile and less harsh when driven hard.
I lean towards the 88rlb personally. :)
this was also a "u67 everywhere" demo. those types of demos are great, because you can hear what the mic sounds like.
Indeed! I was in the process of really finding what I enjoyed about the mic :) and now there is a full U67 review up to check out too.
The melody was stuck in my head all day lol 😂
😂👌🏽 that’s a good thing!
The first review I've seen where someone plays an actual song and it sounds great!
Thanks so much Aaron! :)
Great channel, and this Neve pre comparison deserves to be seen by more.
Thanks so much! :)
Great VDO man, thanks. I have owned the AMS Neve1073 LB and thought it sounded great until I got the BAE 73 MPL and much prefer the more vintage sounding (Warm or dull) BAE. Would love to try the 88R LB one day.
Thank you so much! :)
There are great options out there for sure!
Hey Sam! Do you feel that Bae has smoother upper mids than Ams 1073lb? I had Ams 1073 dpa with u87ai and i thought that sound was too strident and sharp in the high mids.
Hey Phillip, I think a lot of that comes from the U87ai rather than the 1073. :) but that’s not to say that the BAE might be a little darker.
I did use a U87ai with my 1073lb and found what you said to be true, hence why I prefer the BAE, but the U87 does have the mide range push. I now use a u47 clone from Nordic Audio with the BAE 73mpl, Ive gotten great results.
Came for the preamp shootout, stayed for the music. Incredible track dude !
Thank you so much! :D
First off Alex, thank you for your very insightful videos. I know a lot of hard work was done behind the scenes. One additional thing I noticed is the transients on the 88R are faster on the drums vs the 1073 which has a little more relaxed sound. Though both are good, with my studio current setup with all ready having a Manley Voxbox and other gear, the 88R I am more attracted to.
Totally agree. :)
I wonder how the 88R compares with some of the Portico stuff
I’m sure they will both be astoundingly good, but rather different for sure.
Came for the studio gear and geeky stuff, but gotta say your tunes are just delightful. Really hope you are releasing original tracks.
Thank you so much!! I’ll be working on finishing some of the tunes later this year! :)
Wasn't prepared for that absolute killer of a track and now I'm listening again trying not to think about my ex.
Thanks so much Stephen! You and me both!
Yah same, thanks a lot!
Channel splitters usually cause impedance loading interaction between connected pre-amps. You can test your channel splitter by connecting something like a Cloud Lifter Variable Z to one pre-amp then passing a tone through the splitter into the connected pre's and listen when you vary the impedance on the pre-amp with the CL variable Z if it effects the other connected pre-amp(s).
Very nice song by the way - very well performed.
Thanks for the insight. :)
Main difference for a electronics point, is one is I.C amps and the other is BJT transistors amps
Thanks for the insight Cam! :)
Love your channel and your studio. Are the 88r “close” to the audient console preamps?
Thank you so much! :) I would say they are similar in that they don’t get in the way. However the 88RLB the feels like it allows for more depth, slightly softer tone and an extended bottom end compared to the Audient. I’m a big fan of the tone of the 88RLB. :)
I agree with your results. I have four 88’s and two 1073’s.
They are such great units. And they compliment each other quite well in a production. :)
Danke für die sehr guten Vergleiche und Performance! Ausgezeichneter Klang!
Thank you so much Gabriele! :D
the 88 pokes in the mid focus great for a centre sound, and the 73s have smooth sub weight better for the background for sure
Yeah! :) they make a good team.
In your song you seem to have preferred the 88r for more transient sources and the 1073 for less transient sources. Can you explain why? Would love a follow up video actually A/Bing the two pres on the same instrument in solo
Hi Dean! :) thanks for commenting. I preferred the 88R on all sources, I found it had a little more of an open tonality that got me to the intended result quicker. Sometimes you want to have something that is a little softer, thicker and harmonically rich to soothe the upper mids of some more aggressive sources, and that’s where the 1073 comes in and really helps.
I think hearing the full production is a healthy way of hearing the full effect of each circuit spread across a production, rather than isolated instances. But that’s just me!
Hope this answers your questions Dean! :)
quality conversion of the cranborne audio r8 compared to the apollo?
Seems really solid so far. Been working at 96kHz and have not had any issues. :)
Same or slightly better than Apollo X6 as the Master clock in my case so can’t go wrong.
first time watching you. as soon as the song started i liked and subscribed
Thank you so much Elliot. :)
what a beautiful music dude... also nice comparison
Thank you so much! :)
OMG, this recording simply sounds outstanding! I really must get myself an U-67 and a Neve 1073. This is pure magic.
It’s a fantastic combo! :)
@@alecbrits I guess your demo really got me to spend some money - you should get some royalities from the manufacturers for your great advertisment ;-) Maybe I'll get the 88R LB too since it offers something different. I was thinking of the API 512c, but maybe I'll rather go with the 88R LB as alternative. For very clean stuff I already have an SSL 500 Six Cannel. It's great that Neumann re-launched the U-67. It's expensive, yes, but it's brand new and not used without a guarantee. And they exactly copied the original specs. This is very tempting.
what a freaking great song for the example.and great review and overall video
Thank you so much! Had a great time writing that one! :)
Beautiful work, Alec. I've just watched several videos, and through my Dynaudio BM6A's and Klipsch sub, I liked every 1073 labeled product the best. Warm, punchy AND inviting, perhaps the closest to my old MCI JH116 two inch tape machine. I need to upgrade my computer and interface (currently Antelope Zen Studio and early 2015 macbook pro). After watching your videos, I'm leaning toward a 2020 M1 mac 64 gig ram and 4TB M. Thinking the 1073opx would be great as an interface (maybe the Neumann as a close second, sonically) Thank you for the fantastic music to help me decide!
Sounds like a good plan to me Brandon! :) thanks for the super kind words.
Nice song!
I’m feeling it.
Thanks so much!
Caramba... nunca vi um vídeo com tamanha qualidade, no you tube!!! 😱
Thank you so much!! :D
Beautiful! Great work
Thanks Ethan! :)
I would love to see,How the new West-audio Phoebe 500 Series compared to api and NEVE 1073/88R
PREAMP CONSIDERING - NEVE 88R/NEVE 1073/API 512V/Rupert Neve 511 and the new West-audio Phoebe
I want to purchase my first preamp for tracking male vocals, My interface is a Apollo with the TLM 103
and to be honest im truly confident with your opinion,
I love your videos, and look everywhere if you have a Spotify channel because I love your music.
thanks you for giving us all this knowledge and top tier content.
Thanks so much for the comment. I’m super curious about the Wes Audio Phoebe too!
Great video Alec! You are one heck of a talent sir. All the best ✌🏾
Thank you so much Warren! :)
I just came here for the music ;) Great video, as always. Are you planning to review the Manultec EQ?
Thank you so much Mateo!
I am indeed!
Hey Alec, great video as usual. Have you been able to try the Neve 88M interface and compare the preamps to the 500 version?
Working on the video as we speak. :)
Is that mic spitter available?
Thanks
It’s not, but there are so many great units that do this! :) by radial and ART.
I really like the UAD 88RS channel strip, so I am really interested in this
That makes sense! :)
Wow it’s such a great video
.... as for the song blew us away. 👏👏
Thank you so much!! :D
so whenever it indicates the name of the preamps that's all sources going through it or just the specified instrument? i loooove the song btw
All the instruments. During the full song demo. :) thank you!
Beautiful song. Absolutely love it!
Thank you so much Daniel! :)
How's the low-end in those amazing atcs
So. Dang. Solid. 👌🏽
I find your videos very useful, subbed. and you making some really great music as well. Very relaxing to watch your videos with lots of great information to..
Thank you so much! :)
88RLB is so much more dynamic and natural sounding. Always found the 73LB a lil compressed sounding, tho at times to it's benefit. The tops on the 73LB seems a tad more open due to less midrange and dynamics coming through, but the 88RLB is so much more lively and clear that I'll probably favor it 9/10 times.
Agreed! :)
Amazing video, unreal amount of effort went into this
Thanks so much Sam! :)
Really dig your reviews man.
Thank you so much! :)
Another excellent review bro. Do you notice a difference between your Neve 1073DPX and the Neve 1073LB? Vocals would be my primary application.
Thanks Geoffrey! :) the biggest thing is having the flexibility of the EQ and the filters on the DPX, but sonically the two pre’s are pretty damn spot on!
Great Video...two AWESOME pre amps. Very cool to hear them together.
Thank you so much! They are wicked units! :D
How do you think that compares to the SSL6 500 series preamp?
I’ve not spent much time with the SSL mic pre’s so I can’t really shed any light on that sadly! :)
Say I wanted to record analogue kick drum? Which one should I go for?
Say I wanted to record the whole mix throught a few of these, which one should I go for?
It’s hard to give you an answer for both of these questions. If you are looking for a pre that is going to give you a lot of character and some tasteful distortion when pushed, then the 1073 is the way to go. If you would like to have a versatile pre with a lovely tone that’s well represented across a very wide palette of sources, then the 88RLB is the option out of these two. :)
@@alecbrits : Any idea if the 88RLB is closer to the Focusrite ISA One?
Excellent
Thanks! :)
I like the 88R…. Sounds amazing…Great video!
Thank you Ernesto! :) it’s a great piece for sure.
Hello, I have a question. Could you explain why some people have two preamp or equalizer units while others only have one? Is it possible to record or mix audio with a single 500-series compressor or preamp?
Mono is one channel, stereo is two. :)
Sounds great. My preference is the 88 RLB. How's the clarity and depth compared to the 511? The clips I've head of the 511 sound much clearer and open than the 1073.
Fuller agree with you there. :) I’ve not spent time with the 511’s. But I can imagine them to be more open. They don’t have Two transformers, but you can dial in the saturation to match what you want. Big fan of the RND stuff. :)
@@alecbrits I've got an 88 and a R8 on the way. Can't wait to start messing around with them.
am I missing something...was this an A/B shootout? different instruments were going through different preamps simultaneously, sooo...how do we differentiate per source? too much going on! 😢
Hey Bobby, hearing the cumulative effect is a really powerful and fast way to hear the character of a mic pre. In the future there will be a way to access the stems and make your own choices.
nice song and recordingfs, but in a nutshell i would like to know whats the real differene between neve 511 or neve 1073lb. being almost double priced?
The RND only has one transformer, more open tone with the open of dialling in how much saturation you want with the silk. The RND also has a great variable hpf. The 1073 LB is $300 dollars more. Two transformers. Not too sure why the prices are that far apart. :)
Amazing work as always!
Thank you so much Jaume!
Very so much fantastic ,Me.Alec!
May you indicate this preamplifier on livestreamings?
It is honor learn upon sounds equiments with you-Master about on Studios.
Lord bless you.
Thank you so much Felipe! I’m sending them back sadly! But I’ll be looking into live streaming from around august. :)
@@alecbrits Many thanks Mr.Alec.
I am thankfull learn preamps.Because Do not this informations.
That is great music!
Thanks again Dimitrios!
Another great video, Thank you again. Would be great to see a similar comparison of the full size 1073 and Shelford pre's THAT would be EPIC !
Thanks again! :) absolutely, that will be a fun one to shoot for sure.
Hi Alec. I'm in a quandary - I've the 1073DPX and am looking to get another couple of pres. I'm torn between a pair of API 312s or Neve 88rlbs...any thoughts and insights are greatly appreciated. Love your work, my friend!
Hey Michael!
I would highly recommend the API 512V as a complimentary pre to the neves. :) they are right at the top of my “To Get” list.
Both sound great but 88 is a bit brighter ,thanks for this nice review and good luck!
Agreed! :) thanks so much.
49 or 67? Which is your favorite
Totally different issues for both. I have purchased the 67’s first, but saving for a pair of 49’s next. The 67’s are SO versatile. I’ll do a review video on them soon!
@@alecbrits I am building up my mic locker as well buts it’s so much prioritizing to be done. Do I get good tube mics or maybe classic ribbons? Should I put that on ice and finally get a stereo set of distressors or should I spend som ekstra money on new fancy plugins? Hahah, luckily I own pretty good outboard and mics already, but I want MOREE.
We will never stop buying pieces of gear. Just figure out what will save you time and boost your creativity. That should always be the primary objective. :)
@@norwegiansniper9713 one distressor and a quality tube mic.
Great vid. Pretty awesome song too.
Thanks so much! :)
Great music bros!
Thank you so much!! :D
Out of curiosity - why did you use the Radial DI instead of the built in DI inputs of the preamps? (Bass)
This allowed me to use the splitter so that we could hear both pre’s at the same time.
@@alecbrits ah, makes sense :)
Nice one. Would love to hear the Neve 1073 next to a BAE 1073. There is surprisingly little out there with samples on how they are different and similar.
Thank you! :)
I’m a little hesitant to go down the road of comparing units that are trying to do the same thing at the moment. I think the two companies both do great work, but I don’t want to start the whole “which 1073 is best” thing. It just gets nasty in the comments for no reason.
There are so many different mic pre’s out there that I would love to try out first before doing shootouts between the same two designs.
Hope this makes sense! :)
Great review and a big thank you. Question, how similar is the AMS Neve 88R pre to your Auident pres on your desk?
I feel the 88r pre’s have a more of an open tone, more forgiving on the top end. I really enjoy how tracks sound when they are stacked up, like BVS and drums. Big fan of the 88R.
what do you think has more punch and clarity between 1073 lb and api 512c ? cheers
I think the 512C has more clarity. :)
API 512c and API 512v.. but I like the lows on the NEVE 88’s.. I might place some behind the 512v’s and tweak then both
Nice tune man
Thanks Doc! :)
I wonder how much EQ you did in post. did you leave everything raw? cause it sounds very tidy. I wonder because other than more lows and highs on the 88's I don't hear a lot of differences, and i'm missing that 3-5db boost 73 usually has on 5-6K. in fact is sounds like that boost is on the 88. I almost feel like you got the channels mixed up.
It’s all raw. :) the 88R is much more open.
Hi Alec, what camera 📷 do you use? Thanks..
Hey Daniel! :) it’s a canon 5D MKiV.
Thanks!
How do you think these compare with the phoenix audio Ascent? I know pheonix is sometimes described like a never but with a more open sound , how does it sound compared to the 88? Is the 88 thicker /brighter?
Curious how you have experienced them and what you think of the 3 in terms of warmth / brightness. I am curious about these products myself
Thanks for any help
Thanks for the comment! :) they are different beasts, the ascent also gives you the opportunity to EQ and tone shape on the same unit. I’d likely put the 88 closer to the ascent than the 73.
Would you say the 73, then 88, then ascent from darkest to brightest?
I listened to your ascent video bs this one tough to say since they are not the same recording but it seems more open up top in general . Little more pointed on the high end, whereas these may be rounder.
I like a warm rounded tone so idk maybe I’d prefer the neve. Though frankly I was lookin at the 517 .
Have you ever tried the older Phoenix audio Pres? I saw those a big cheaper and idk if they are infact a lot noiser than the current ones, since noise reduction was apparently one of the benefits of the new ones
Excellent video
Thank you so much Roland. :)
Nice desk! Is it from chunkystudiofurniture ?
Yeah!! :D
Hey Alec, am new to 500 series modules, could you suggest me a good EQ module (preferably passive EQ, am open to other types too) that is not too expensive?, my music genre is similar to what you do.
Hey Jasper! :) thanks for the question. I would lean towards an API 550A. It’s aromatic always what’s needed. You can of course go for a similar styled unit too.
@@alecbrits You mean something like a Class A 3 band EQ?. I have been eyeing a bit on the Lindell Audio PEQ-501a and the sound skultptor EQP-501. Do you know or have heard of these 2 modules ?
@@jasperdany I have heard of both. :) go with your gut and try stuff out.
I have an APHEX USB 500 Lunchbox (4 slots) which too has an included A/D converter and USB like the Cranborne. I hope this isn't much inferior to the one in the Cranborne Audio R8.
I’m currently reviewing the R8. The video will be up soon, that way you can hear what you think and what the added workflows are in the R8. I hope you will enjoy it!
@@alecbrits Great, thanks for letting me know! I just subscribed. I only just recently got the Aphex USB 500 after a long research for a small lunchbox (not rack) with included converter since I love easy to use and portable stuff - and I found the Aphex. But unfortunately they discontinued this great device some years ago already. Then, by pure chance, I strumbled accross a dealer which still had a new one in stock, and I went for it. SOS has a very promising review of the box. Apart from the included AD-conveter and USB interface (which also allows you to insert the box in a DAW-session like a plugin) the box offers patch--switches on its back which lets you send audio from one module directly to the another one without using cables, which is fantastic imho. Like this you can set up a vocal-chain without using a single cable. It's everything I could dream of. I have no idea why Aphex discontinued this product. The converters seem good (they use the same ADC chip as used in the Apogee Ensemble), but if it's up to the Apogee (which also depends on the clock) I still have to find out. I do have an Apogee Rosetta, but it's another separate device, and I love to have all in one small package with direct connection to the computer via USB.
Sounds like a great box!
I’m doing vocals and guitar, do I need two pre-amp/ compressors?
It does not mean you NEED two, if you are using two mics, then two pre’s will do the trick. You can compress in the DAW till you find what kind of compression works for you.
Thanks so much !!! Such a great channel. Do the 1073 500 series and rack sound the same ?
I have not done a side by side comparison, but I would imagine they are very similar. :) I felt like I was using my 1073 when using the 1073LB. It has the vibe that I’m looking for in spades.
Does anyone know if the 88rlb gain is stepped or has any notches so you can match stereo mics or line levels?
The 88RLB has continually variable pots.
@@alecbrits Thanks ✌🏻
Hey bro. One Question. Which would you recommend to use on you mix bus running into a bus compressor?
Hey man! :) thanks for the comment, I’d likely just go for a compressor first then see if you need anymore saturation.
@@alecbrits Thanks for the reply brother.
Could you make vid on aqua plug-ins
By acoustica audio thanks 🙏
Big fan of the Acoustica plugins! I’ll look into more plug-in reviews in the future. :)
@@alecbrits you really stand out as a most talented musician Alec !!!
@@lukecolledge5950 thank you so much!! :D will keep working on it.
I'm just curious: when you say the splitter has iso output then it sounds like that output has a transformer in the signal path. That might alter the signal. It is also possible to do this kind of configuration with just a y-cable. Then it is 100% sure that the signals are identical. Anyway, great video! Keep it up!
Great piece of advice here! I’ll look into a high quality Y cable for future comparisons.
The 1073 is a little thicker, and the 88 is clearer providing more detail but still having character.
Totally agree! :)
That 88R preamp is incredible... I've always heard great things about the preamps in those consoles but I'm really surprised at how great the 500 series version sounded. Such an underrated pre. In my opinion, it smoked the 1073 LB on everything (except for bass, where I liked the 1073's extra fatness). The depth and clarity of the mix took a quantum leap forward with the 88R. Maybe I'll have to pick myself up a few :)
It’s unreal! :D absolutely love what it does. The 1073 has its place for sure, but wow, that 88R. 👌🏽👌🏽
Luckily, I've had an opportunity to work on both boards. I've always found going straight from the pre into the box is the best sound for guitars and bass. Very little e.q. just to pull extra stuff out, and usually a gate for the drums. Working on a handful of different consoles, imo the 88R is in a league of it's own, it's unfair in a way, because nothing else sounds like it.
Hello Alec! Would you say that there is a well defined difference between the U87 and the U67? I currently have a U87ai and was wondering if its worth to get a 67.
Hi Y Reyes! :) there is a pretty big difference between the two mics for sure. The 87 has a boost in the upper mids that sometimes makes the voice feel a little too forward or harsh. The 67 is a more forgiving or smoother sounding microphone. It’s a little more versatile because of that. :)
Hi! if you had to choose one pair to record mostly stereo acoustic guitars, piano and percussion , like ( bongos, cajon, etc ) which one do you recommend ? RND511 or Neve 88R lb ? thank you very much !
Not too sure! I have not spent much time on the 511, so I can’t comment. Love the 88rlb though.
Love the video and really helped me decide to get both the 1073LB and 88R, into my 500r8, I'd love to get your opinion on this, I am single production artist who does majority guitar & elektron A4 tracking but mostly running samples from my DAW to my outboard for "refinement" do you think a single unit of the above pre's is sufficient? I am looking for a compact multi-use box and I am thinking of using the other slots for a zhal eq1 and some compressors and perhaps a reverb, any advice is appreciated.
Hey Lewis, thanks for the comment. I would potentially look into getting a pair of matched units to be able to process stereo stems. Running things through pre’s will help the effect, but perhaps not as much as eq/compression will.
@@alecbrits Thanks for the advice! i think that's a good call it's appreciated
I like your videos, but may I please make a small request. When doing shoutouts where your recording multiple different sources individually, could you please possibly either make some segments showing just the solo'd sources, or possibly include download files that we could download to listen to ourselves? If not I understand, I know videos like this are alot of work. But either way, great job and I still really like them!
Thanks for the feedback! :)
Fuck the preamps, great song!
Thanks Victor!
Nice tune!
Thanks so much! :)
Thank you for your great video! I’m thinking a lot about NEVE88RLB, because of versatility and open sound, but especially DI input. I have already quite a lot of mic preamps, and Today I would like to get a preamp with DI for bass guitar etc… (pop/rock) so do you think NEVE88RLB can be a good choice between (API/BAE/portico etc… )?
Or any other recommendations ?
Many thanks
I think there are a lot of great options really. The 88RLB will not let you down. If you already have a good selection of mic pre’s then I would look into some different DI box options. REDDI, Radial, Motown, RND and Avalon (there are a lot more, but I can’t list them all here!). This way you can pair them with different pre’s from clean to dirty and really get the tone you are looking for per production.
Thanks a lot for your answer🙏. i actually use radial active and passive DI, and BSS DI. Looks good the REDDI, and I didn’t know about Motown DI ! Thank you , Looks really cool. Yes it’s a good idea to get more « dirty» ones !
Thanks again for everything and your videos ! Very nice sound and nice songs !
Amazing review and song as always!! You're channel will be blowing up before you know it. Which do you prefer on male vocal, the Flea 49 or U67? Is the 67 a reissue? Cheers!!🍻
Thank you so much Phill! :)
I don’t have a preference really. I have purchased the 67’s, but the next purchase will be a pair of 49’s. I am using the re-issue 67.
@@alecbrits :) Awesome! Thanks Alec!
@@alecbrits that’s basically my set up now, pair of FleA 49s and a custom U67. Really want to pair my U67 off.
Great comparison! I own both pre’s (and a Manultec Orca Bay too!) and you really can’t go wrong with either one. Beautiful studio and great recording 👍
Thanks so much Mark!! :D they are great units. Been loving the Orca, what a great piece of kit. 👌🏽👌🏽
So talented
Thanks Nicolas! :) really appreciate that.
anyone got a used fredenstein bento 2 or any lunchbox selling or want to trade?
Hey Yaadiiboy, maybe check some Facebook groups or Reverb in your area. :)
subscribed and I'll be looking for your music on Spotify. Wow man. Very impressed!
EDIT: peeped the tube driver in the back. I've got one as well :)
Thanks so much!! :D
Thanks so much!! :D
Great review! But honestly you need to tone down your writing skills for these vids. 😅 I totally forgot about the preamps…what a track! Amazing songwriting skills! Is it available anywhere? Couldn’t find it. All the best
Thanks so much! :) the tunes are starting to come out soon. Wrapping up the demo process currently, then it’s gonna be straight into record mode from there.
Good luck with that and looking forward to hearing it!
太美好了吧！有评测设备 还有音乐听！
非常感谢你 ! Thank you very much! :)