Duel Protagonist have become my favourite trend Honestly Peter and Miles Arthur and John Kiryu and Ichiban Vincent and Leo Resident Evil 5 and 6 Chris and Sheva Leon and Helena Chris and Piers Jake and Sherry All these characters play off each other well and give a pretty unique experience, I really hope after the remake of Resident Evil 5 we see a rise of coop and duel protagonists games again.
@@Steoorernot in a conventional way, but it still counts since John gets a good amount of content. I wouldn’t count rdr1 tho since Jack only gets 1 mission.
i think the tlou2 wouldve benefited from beginning playing as abby between her fathers death and up until the confrontation with joel shifting to ellie to see the outcome. it wouldve given the player a much more conflicted feeling and fleshed out abbys motivations more making her less easy to hate as a protagonist. it also establishes the idea there is no 'right side' to be on with regards to abby and ellie as both of their actions are morally wrong but a response to what happens to the people around them.
I think they wanted it to be much like real life where actions have consequences and you never know when it will come back around. It’s not the best method of subversion in my opinion. Maybe the “in medias res” approach could have been a better choice to lead to that moment.
Yeah that would’ve worked much better. Think Naughty Dog just seriously overestimated their ability to make a new likable character, so much so that they thought they could shoot themselves in the foot and still pull it off.
Devil May Cry 5 letting the player see other players as the other characters through the cameo system is pretty neat, especially in the rare instances where players converge in one level (ignore how V is in the game and makes it not a dual protagonist game)
While not technically a dual protagonist, Shadow of Mordor/War has it's two protagonists who share the same body and I think it creates a unique perspective on the narrative's events.
the way little nightmares 2 makes collaborating with six so intuitive and fun makes you almost forget you are playing with an ai, shes so well programed to fit the puzzles, just makes thaf twist hit harder
The best dual protagoists games have the both protagonists bounce of each in great way during dialogue and each protagonists have variations in gameplay between each other
I see your previous uploads don’t include a lot of videos in this style. It seems to be something new that you’re doing (and it’s working). Please continue on. Videos like this are my favorite. I love people breaking t down game mechanics, story elements, systems, and general gaming talk like the previous video. Great job yet again!
New to ur content my guy keep it up but I enjoy it, me personally as a person whole may or may not have shed a tear at the end of TLOU 2 I think they did a good job with Abby, and how they had us play as both and the POV, duality.
I remember when I was a kid I played the PS3 game Folklore and I was like :0?!? As half of the story is told through one character’s eyes and the other half is through the other character. The game will let you choose which character’s chapter you play next after beat the previous chapter but the game does suggest that you play them alternating one chapter at a time. It’s phenomenal and the reveal at the end is so well done as you piece together the clues in both storylines as you go on.
Tlou2 should’ve been two games and the first should be Abby being a member of Jackson who befriends Ellie and Joel, only to at the end of the second game find out Joel is the killer of her father-from Ellie who just finds out. Then the third game can go kind of as it went and it would’ve been so much better recieved. I loved Tlou2 and actually played it back to back but your enjoyment depends on how much you accept playing as Abby.
Yeah but thats part of the emotional struggle the player was supposed to feel, to have a person they hate from the start and then as you get to know them you dont anymore. For those that it worked it worked great.
@@jackson43780 One of the best and fastest selling sequels in playstation history even after devastating leaks two months before release… Sure, we know for what group of people it didnt work ;) Also you people would hate Joel if you ever saw a story from the perspective of one of his victims, the fact that youre so easily emotionally manipulated by a videogame story and the way it was told, well it kinda shows exactly how well told and written it was and how emotionally weak you lot are that in the end you dont even care who Abby is, as long as she killed your daddy you cant get over the emotion of hate you have for her and thats why the entire sequel doestn work for you.
@@markedone494no, the story they were trying to tell does not work. especially because they had to retcon joel and ellie (make them stupid) to even have the plot happen in the first place. if somebody killed your daddy, would you ever forgive them? you’re crazy.
I really like your narration, dude, good job! Related to dual protagonists, I'm curious if you played A Way Out, and if you did, what are you thoughts on it. For me, that one was quite... unexpectedly good.
Awww that's so sweet of you ☺️ thanks so much! I HAVE played a way out years back and I thought it was good, though it didn't feel like there was much impact between the Co-Operation, they could have taken it a little bit further with maybe distraction tactics and how the two worked together, however the end was a fun twist to (spoilers for those reading) pit them together. It's like a little competition between the two players too.
When I played this with a close friend of mine and the game did the twist, we yelled at the screen, at each other, and then immediately dropped the controllers, paused the game, and went for a smoke. We didn't see it coming, it was such an amazing moment!
I was disappointed when the thumbnail version was 22:23 but happy the video itself was 22:22 😅 also glad someone noticed! 😂 It was literally by pure coincidence too.
Because I was only including 5, especially those that only released within the last decade (plus RDR2 isn't until the veeeery end). Also GTA V has 3, not 2, and the video is about Dual Protagonists.
TLOU knew alot us was invested in its world and its lore as ellie so when the abby switch happened even though i hated it i still was interested to see what going on in its world and the gameplay meshed together with the story of the biases that abby had towards the other factions which then allowed me to cut her some slack because of her perspective. I know many people couldnt see past joel death and thats why its such a fascinating and frustrating game to talk about...
I find myself typically disliking duel protagonists. I mean, if I'm enjoying a game, I'll go along with whatever it throws at me, but I find myself becoming almost possessive of the player character as I progress through an experience, particularly when my mechanical progression is tied to them. But again, I'm open to anything! TLOU2 is a perfect example of a game nailing the execution. Also, *wow*, your last video has completely exploded!! Keep up the great work, man!
That makes sense and totally understandable, I guess it depends on their personality though. Like out of Claire and Leon, I prefer Leon because Claire just feels a little... Googly for Leon, especially when it's an apocalyptic situation 😅 Also indeed! I got lucky, but perhaps my luck has now run out 😂
@@Kranitoko I actually never even went back and played Claire's campaign, I need to do that at some point. It's interesting to see RE2 tackle duel portags differently, in that there are actual separate campaigns as opposed to forced switches dictated by the narrative. The algorithm is rough man, so difficult to predict. But if you keep releasing stuff of this quality, the growth is a certainty!
i really dont get how people think the upgrades in AW2 didn't effect gameplay; they made a huge difference for me, particularly the ones about killing with a shotgun restoring health and flashlight charges. i literally never ran out of charges as alan again after that. AND, his stealth upgrades are hefty, you just have to turn the light off to take fully advantage. and omg have saga's rifle be able to shoot through the darkness shields was great, too!
@@Kranitokonot all of them were the most helpful but I personally found the charms to be less impactful than the upgrades but I also didn't experiment with those much lol
Frank and Chuck Dead Rising are the peak double protagonists in gaming and their campaign is stuck in a DLC stuck in the Xbox 360 store :'((((((((((((((((((((((((
In purely narrative games, I’m fine with it. For open world games where inventory management, skills, and leveling up are important, it takes away from my connection with a character
For writting accuracy It isnt possible to be 2 protagonists in a story without one of them taking the lead of the narrative, thats why I think that a game (although has 2 different playable characters) should focus only on the story's main leader (The protagonist ) and the main opposition (the antagonist).
@@Kranitoko Oh I know its out of topic but I was watching your other reviews about Alan wake 2, you got a new subscriber, would recomend Alan wake 1 for starters? Im starting on Alan wake now.
It has yet to fail me aside from TLOU2. That being said, I also enjoyed RE6 so it’s possible that I might be biased considering that game had 4 Protagonists.
I personally think tlou 2 gets too much hate for killing Joel so early. It was the way the developers wanted to start off the whole revenge story and I think it kinda worked
I guess it all depends on how attached to Joel the player is. To me he was always an ehh sort of character. Grizzled old man with dead family, I've seen tons like him in movies and other media. So when he got offed I was sort of indifferent to it. It made sense that his past would eventually catch up with him. I thought the story was 'good' overall but hardly some masterpiece. The gameplay, stealth and gunplay, was top notch though.
Dual protagonist can work if they actually tell you something about that protangist. In last of us part 2 we the player already know Ellie so her side is already strong cause we know who she is and what she stands for. Abby on the other hand is wasted not only do we play as her for 10 hours we know next to nothing about her and is somehow meant to care about her. Maybe if Abby was not only played first, got to see her reaction to all her friends dying real time, the flashbacks actually gave a f about her friends that wasnt owen, get too chose who you play as in the theater boss fight and the end of the game given the choice between sparing and killing her despite the weak writing the fans wouldnt have been so pissed playing it. Its still a video game it wouldnt be so hard tl have two endings and having the spare abby ending to be the definitive ending. Spiderman 2 also had the same problem however unlike Abby Miles is an establish character so even if he doesnt have much weight in thr story we know who he is and can have fun playing as him plus insomniac added changes to his powers
Back when splinter cell was going on there was 2 characters you played one was same the other his partner for that game and Sam’s pov is 3rd person where as his partner is 1st cool little switch but not the best levels for it
Removing the zapping system is basically my only qualm with RE2 remake. But as is, it's the best use of dual protagonists of these examples. Two, full complete campaigns. Alan Wake 2 is too convoluted, TLOU 2 created pacing problems, in Spider-Man 2, let's be real, Peter's story was more important, and Miles felt like a sidekick with nothing to do, and for GoW Ragnarok, claiming Atreus' few playable sections counts him as a dual protagonist with Kratos is kind of a stretch. I would have be interested to hear about the twins in Assassin's Creed Syndicate, how Dishonored handled it, or even Detroit Become Human, which stars 3 protagonists. Anyway, I can surely see Horizon splitting time between Aloy and Seika
Well I agree with your critique of last of us 2 but I think the flip flopping between the 2 characters should have been mandatory or you play two different campaigns like Sonic Adventure 2. On replays having the choice is great, but honestly I’ve only played it once, and I really enjoyed playing the game but the story was just frustrating. I think they overextended themselves.
If done well its can be very interesting if not then one character gets sidelined. AC Origins is the worst example of this since Aya is the most interesting of the characters with far more history in the series but you can't play her in the open world.
I dont agree with what you said about the pacing in TLOU2. I felt the same at first, but after some time I really let myself go and enjoy abby’s section. In fact more than Ellie because I did not side with ellie at all. Revenge was not the solution. And abby’s arch and gameplay situations were really impressive. For me abby was what catapulted TLOU2 to a masterpiece level. And if you played episodes like you said you would forget many details. In fact in my second playthrough I discovered more and more nuances. UA-cam and the sexist gamers community can rot. The game is a 10 and its gameplay, length and story and message is the best ps4 game. Now ps5 too.
I don't think you'd forget many details because you'd be constantly switching and therefore you wouldn't be forgetting long. As I mentioned it worked for AW2.
@@Kranitoko I think you get much more involved within each world by playing it as it is. So your opinion is just opinion. The “pace problem” in my opinion is worth it. In fact I think is necessary because it goes in tandem with the message: YOU MUST FIGHT YOUR FIRST INSTINCT TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE’S OPPOSITE SITUATION. I hate how this game has been treated. It makes me feel embarrased to be a gamer. You see how boring and dumb the new god of wars are compared to the originals? But you see, as it is “straight”, normative, and has no risk at all no one blinks an eye. Most Gamers are dumb like the new gow. Or they are sheep and let themselves influence by hatred towards the different or risky. 👎👎👎👎👎
@@Victorcolongarcia I mean your opinion is just as much subjective. I don't find the God of War games boring. Just because it doesn't do anything wildly out there like killing it's main character in the first hour in its story doesn't mean it's dumb or boring. Also you consider "God of War" straight normative when other demographics can get stuff out of it too. Kratos is Daddy to me as a gay man after all. Your argument also implies that the Last of Us is simply LGBTQ normative then. Are you saying straight people can't enjoy the Last of Us and LGBTQ people can't enjoy God of War?
@@Kranitoko he’s been hot since 2005 but the game is straight as f. And the gameplay has removed everything: plstforms, clever puzzles, the camera was incredible and perfect for beat them up, current gow has nothing but graphics. Total time waster. TLOU2 is art. Compared to gow especially. But look at the reception. As a gaymer I feel embarrased to see the hatred towards the best game this industry has seen in my opinion since forever. I’ve been a gamer since 1996 and few times I felt something was as good/clever. 👍
@@Kranitoko I dont see the point answering to your second paragraph. Did not say anything like it. English is not my first language but I think I was able to say what I meant and its not what you tried to imply. TLOU2 is diverse, like life. Thats why all those sexists and homophobes hate it. It opens the door to sth they despise, you know nobody has ever been beaten for being straight. But in my country only in 2023 around 150 cases of gay people being beaten up in the street. Hatred is real. And the TLOU had a homophobic campaign. They used several points to destroy this game. Luckily they failed and it won GAME OF THE YEAR AND 10 Mill sales. 🤟🎉
I’m surprised there was no mention of Yakuza 0. That game also kicks ass. Good picks though nonetheless. I like all of these games with the exception of GOWR and AW2. Not hating on them, I just personally never was that interested in them.
Two protagonist over complicates games, huh? Yet, Rockstar managed to make a masterpiece that endured not one, not two but three console generations with their 2013 tour-de-force "Grand Theft Auto V".
I personally hate dual protagonist games. Only Ragnarok and original RE2 is a good example of dual protagonist games in that list imo. Especially bad for games with RPG mechanics that wants you to commit to a build. People hated Aya sections in AC Origins because of that for example. You were taken out of your Bayek build and forced to play as a character with set build. Not only it takes you out of the game from a gameplay perspective but also takes you out of story, Alan's story is connected to Saga's for example but they don't overlap(heh) besides overlaps and ending.
I remember getting half way through that and for some reason I can't remember there being two protagonists UNLESS it happens at the very end (no spoilers) like with RDR1.
I'm novice to english, So please give me a excuse. From Sri lanaka, Good video man. Can you tell me, Do I want to play RE games in order like RE2, RE3, RE4 [Remakes]?
While I agree that the pacing for TLOU2 was bad ...what really made me hate the game was the way you, the player, were treated as stupid. Like you couldn't get what the game was trying to tell you if they didn't consistently spell it out for you. And then repeat it. And if course the way every single story beat was soooo predictable, that actually playing through it, to get to the "big reveals" or "emotional scenes" was utterly boring, followed by every line of dialogue ALSO being predictable...ugh They also really didn't know what to do with Ellie (+ friends), having her parts of the game severely lacking in growth and depth, while Abby's part only becomes interesting when she's with Lev...aka when it copies the first game... Add to that their marketing of the combat system, which turned out to be one of the most boring and most predictable things ever...and I really don't see how anyone can think this game was anything but a lackluster cash grap
Resident Evil 2 IS the best resident evil game out there. Not the remake, the original. Alan Wake 2 is utter garbage though. Which is why it failed miserably sales wise.
Alan Wake 2 hasn't failed and it's not garbage? It's Remedy's fastest selling game? It just had a bigger budget, and Remedy games always, and I mean ALWAYS takes longer to profit, that's how their business model has always been because they make unique games.
@@Kranitoko calling out a bad game for being bad is not putting it down. And when did I put anyone down? Stop snorting so much soy, it is getting to your brain.
@@dannyd4339 it's not a bad game though? It literally has high 9's and 10's from the majority of critics and gamers who played it, AND has won numerous awards... You're putting people down by coming onto my video and talking shit about things I and others like.
There's the whole Diversity and Inclusion thing in a lot of these cases. It's because Californians have the main say in making these games (or in Remedy's case consulted by Sweet Baby Inc), and unfortunately we all know what's been on the rise in California in the last 10 years.
Here's the thing. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with diversity and inclusion. Literally nothing. Zero. Everybody wants characters to relate with, and if culture helps people relate, so be it.
@@daxmichael6855 The issue is that a lot of the game changes because they activists feel the need to push their message. Alan Wake 2 - Race-swapped Saga and made into the main character putting Alan Wake to the bench in his own game. A bit of a change would have been good, but I am almost certain it wouldn't have been to this extent without going woke. And of course, Saga has that beautiful, poetic "I hate white assholes" line. Spiderman 2 - Same thing, Spiderman got sidelined completely. Bonus progressive points - Make MJ look "realistic" (-ly ugly) The Last of Us - Make everyone lame and gay (and have you control them) while telling a pretty generic story. God of War Ragnarok - Haven't played it, heard a famous Nordic mythology character is apparently black now - thanks Sweet Baby Inc. This transfers to TV too - Geralt sidelined in his own show by girl bosses, making Galadriel into a (extremely unlikeable) warrior princess just so she can be the protagonist etc.
Yakuza 0 has to be my favorite Dual Protagonists game
It's a very good game! I played it earlier this year, I totally should have put it on this list too 😅
Duel Protagonist have become my favourite trend Honestly
Peter and Miles
Arthur and John
Kiryu and Ichiban
Vincent and Leo
Resident Evil 5 and 6
Chris and Sheva
Leon and Helena
Chris and Piers
Jake and Sherry
All these characters play off each other well and give a pretty unique experience, I really hope after the remake of Resident Evil 5 we see a rise of coop and duel protagonists games again.
What games they from?
Rdr2 isn’t really a duel protagonist game
@@Steoorernot in a conventional way, but it still counts since John gets a good amount of content. I wouldn’t count rdr1 tho since Jack only gets 1 mission.
arthur and john aren't a good example, john isn't really the protag, you play as him only in the aftermath of the actual story.
@thephoenix4093 maybe not in the usual sense. You're right but John does get like 3 and a half hours of play time, which is why I included RD2.
i think the tlou2 wouldve benefited from beginning playing as abby between her fathers death and up until the confrontation with joel shifting to ellie to see the outcome. it wouldve given the player a much more conflicted feeling and fleshed out abbys motivations more making her less easy to hate as a protagonist. it also establishes the idea there is no 'right side' to be on with regards to abby and ellie as both of their actions are morally wrong but a response to what happens to the people around them.
I think they wanted it to be much like real life where actions have consequences and you never know when it will come back around.
It’s not the best method of subversion in my opinion. Maybe the “in medias res” approach could have been a better choice to lead to that moment.
Yeah that would’ve worked much better. Think Naughty Dog just seriously overestimated their ability to make a new likable character, so much so that they thought they could shoot themselves in the foot and still pull it off.
@@kjh4496, If they were trying to make it realistic, then they failed miserably. Simply because Mel exist.
@@aleksandrsiv6099 wdym
Exactly or even play her first before the revenge side quest
Devil May Cry 5 letting the player see other players as the other characters through the cameo system is pretty neat, especially in the rare instances where players converge in one level (ignore how V is in the game and makes it not a dual protagonist game)
Well Devil May Cry 4 had this type of dual protagonist involvement but mostly you are playing as Nero with Dante being playable later on.
While not technically a dual protagonist, Shadow of Mordor/War has it's two protagonists who share the same body and I think it creates a unique perspective on the narrative's events.
Oooh that's a good one, if I ever make a sequel video to this I'll have to follow that one up.
A game that recently came out, Banishers Ghosts of New Eden, has the same premise
the way little nightmares 2 makes collaborating with six so intuitive and fun makes you almost forget you are playing with an ai, shes so well programed to fit the puzzles, just makes thaf twist hit harder
Alone in the Dark 2024 - Edward Carnby and Emily Hartwood
The best dual protagoists games have the both protagonists bounce of each in great way during dialogue and each protagonists have variations in gameplay between each other
I see your previous uploads don’t include a lot of videos in this style. It seems to be something new that you’re doing (and it’s working). Please continue on. Videos like this are my favorite. I love people breaking t down game mechanics, story elements, systems, and general gaming talk like the previous video. Great job yet again!
It's definitely the style I'm going for in future ☺️ fingers crossed it keeps working out a bit 🤞
New to ur content my guy keep it up but I enjoy it, me personally as a person whole may or may not have shed a tear at the end of TLOU 2 I think they did a good job with Abby, and how they had us play as both and the POV, duality.
I remember when I was a kid I played the PS3 game Folklore and I was like :0?!? As half of the story is told through one character’s eyes and the other half is through the other character. The game will let you choose which character’s chapter you play next after beat the previous chapter but the game does suggest that you play them alternating one chapter at a time. It’s phenomenal and the reveal at the end is so well done as you piece together the clues in both storylines as you go on.
Obscure really made me fall in love with the multiple protagonist vibe
We sing is one of the greatest missions of all time 🤩
Agreed! 🎤
@@Kranitoko good music, good visuals, good action, good puzzles.
Can’t ask for anything more to be honest.
One could say Cyberpunk 2077 also has two protagonists in Johnny and V.
Can't say I've properly played cyberpunk to know that for sure.
Tlou2 should’ve been two games and the first should be Abby being a member of Jackson who befriends Ellie and Joel, only to at the end of the second game find out Joel is the killer of her father-from Ellie who just finds out. Then the third game can go kind of as it went and it would’ve been so much better recieved. I loved Tlou2 and actually played it back to back but your enjoyment depends on how much you accept playing as Abby.
oh shit a duel protag of GoT2 sounds AWESOME! though i would still be more than happy to just play as jin the whole time lol
Honestly they really shouldn’t had Abby kill Joel this early on in the story, since It literally killed players motivations to play her.🐱
Yeah but thats part of the emotional struggle the player was supposed to feel, to have a person they hate from the start and then as you get to know them you dont anymore.
For those that it worked it worked great.
@@markedone494 it certainly didn't work.
@@jackson43780 One of the best and fastest selling sequels in playstation history even after devastating leaks two months before release… Sure, we know for what group of people it didnt work ;)
Also you people would hate Joel if you ever saw a story from the perspective of one of his victims, the fact that youre so easily emotionally manipulated by a videogame story and the way it was told, well it kinda shows exactly how well told and written it was and how emotionally weak you lot are that in the end you dont even care who Abby is, as long as she killed your daddy you cant get over the emotion of hate you have for her and thats why the entire sequel doestn work for you.
@@jackson43780goty 2020 who?
@@markedone494no, the story they were trying to tell does not work. especially because they had to retcon joel and ellie (make them stupid) to even have the plot happen in the first place. if somebody killed your daddy, would you ever forgive them? you’re crazy.
I really like your narration, dude, good job!
Related to dual protagonists, I'm curious if you played A Way Out, and if you did, what are you thoughts on it. For me, that one was quite... unexpectedly good.
Awww that's so sweet of you ☺️ thanks so much!
I HAVE played a way out years back and I thought it was good, though it didn't feel like there was much impact between the Co-Operation, they could have taken it a little bit further with maybe distraction tactics and how the two worked together, however the end was a fun twist to (spoilers for those reading) pit them together. It's like a little competition between the two players too.
When I played this with a close friend of mine and the game did the twist, we yelled at the screen, at each other, and then immediately dropped the controllers, paused the game, and went for a smoke. We didn't see it coming, it was such an amazing moment!
Good job having a video about dual protagonists be exactly 22:22😏
I was disappointed when the thumbnail version was 22:23 but happy the video itself was 22:22 😅 also glad someone noticed! 😂 It was literally by pure coincidence too.
@@Kranitoko Nice😎
How can you forget about Halo 2 with Chief and Arbiter? Red Dead Redemption 1 or 2, or GTA V
Because I was only including 5, especially those that only released within the last decade (plus RDR2 isn't until the veeeery end). Also GTA V has 3, not 2, and the video is about Dual Protagonists.
@@Kranitoko Well I think Halo 2 is probably the best example of this since you literally play as a protagonist and antagonist.
The last of us part 2 in all honesty always felt like it would be executed better on a tv show
TLOU knew alot us was invested in its world and its lore as ellie so when the abby switch happened even though i hated it i still was interested to see what going on in its world and the gameplay meshed together with the story of the biases that abby had towards the other factions which then allowed me to cut her some slack because of her perspective. I know many people couldnt see past joel death and thats why its such a fascinating and frustrating game to talk about...
I find myself typically disliking duel protagonists. I mean, if I'm enjoying a game, I'll go along with whatever it throws at me, but I find myself becoming almost possessive of the player character as I progress through an experience, particularly when my mechanical progression is tied to them. But again, I'm open to anything! TLOU2 is a perfect example of a game nailing the execution.
Also, *wow*, your last video has completely exploded!! Keep up the great work, man!
That makes sense and totally understandable, I guess it depends on their personality though. Like out of Claire and Leon, I prefer Leon because Claire just feels a little... Googly for Leon, especially when it's an apocalyptic situation 😅
Also indeed! I got lucky, but perhaps my luck has now run out 😂
Tlou 2 does not nail the execution get over yourself.
@@Arrowzeditz please be respectful of people's opinions.
@@Kranitoko I actually never even went back and played Claire's campaign, I need to do that at some point. It's interesting to see RE2 tackle duel portags differently, in that there are actual separate campaigns as opposed to forced switches dictated by the narrative.
The algorithm is rough man, so difficult to predict. But if you keep releasing stuff of this quality, the growth is a certainty!
Great Video! Would love to see a video about GTA 5 (three protagonists)
Idk if they necessarily work but Roxas and Sora in KH2 would be what I bring up when I think duel protagonists
Roxas in KH2 would fit the false protagonist trope though. You're still playing as Sora for 95 percent of the game.
i really dont get how people think the upgrades in AW2 didn't effect gameplay; they made a huge difference for me, particularly the ones about killing with a shotgun restoring health and flashlight charges. i literally never ran out of charges as alan again after that. AND, his stealth upgrades are hefty, you just have to turn the light off to take fully advantage. and omg have saga's rifle be able to shoot through the darkness shields was great, too!
Idk it just didn't feel impactful. Maybe 1 or 2 helped in some scenarios but mostly I rarely noticed a change.
@@Kranitokonot all of them were the most helpful but I personally found the charms to be less impactful than the upgrades but I also didn't experiment with those much lol
Frank and Chuck Dead Rising are the peak double protagonists in gaming and their campaign is stuck in a DLC stuck in the Xbox 360 store :'((((((((((((((((((((((((
Some day maybe 😢
Damn, no love for Threads of Fate. It's such an underrated video game. I'm mad we still haven't gotten a sequel.
Unfortunately older games get lost to time.
In purely narrative games, I’m fine with it. For open world games where inventory management, skills, and leveling up are important, it takes away from my connection with a character
I think Nier Automata does that really well. Especially after Ending B
And then there's yakuza 5 with 5 protagonists, god I love RGG
love that these are all "sequels"
That was the point 😅
The yakuza series does multiple protagonists often and that too mostly really well
I definitely enjoyed Yakuza 4 (though less so than Yakuza 0). Still got Yakuza 5 to play which has 5(!) protagonists!
@@Kranitoko don't forget infinte wealth aka yakuza 8 which also has 2 protags
Good content. Keep it up
Certainly trying ☺️
Great vid!
For writting accuracy It isnt possible to be 2 protagonists in a story without one of them taking the lead of the narrative, thats why I think that a game (although has 2 different playable characters) should focus only on the story's main leader (The protagonist ) and the main opposition (the antagonist).
I guess it depends. It works in Resident Evil 2 for sure since they have their own stories.
@@Kranitoko Oh I know its out of topic but I was watching your other reviews about Alan wake 2, you got a new subscriber, would recomend Alan wake 1 for starters? Im starting on Alan wake now.
Of all of these games, i only played re2, and i own a ps5.
And then there's My favorite game of all time: NieR Automata, Triple Protagonists!
Now that could be a different video altogether 😅
Like #700 for acknowledging Kratos and Atreus 😊😊😊
Thanks for a great video and hug your furbabies all 💙🐱💙
Love "Spider-Gents" and "Spider-Dudes", etc.
Finally someone noticed 😂 I tried to find different ways to say Spider-Man/Men
But the best game series featuring dual protagonists is the mario & luigi RPGs!
It has yet to fail me aside from TLOU2. That being said, I also enjoyed RE6 so it’s possible that I might be biased considering that game had 4 Protagonists.
I personally think tlou 2 gets too much hate for killing Joel so early. It was the way the developers wanted to start off the whole revenge story and I think it kinda worked
it working doesn't make it less trash
@@wgnd1614I think it not being trash is what is meant by “working” lmao
I guess it all depends on how attached to Joel the player is. To me he was always an ehh sort of character. Grizzled old man with dead family, I've seen tons like him in movies and other media. So when he got offed I was sort of indifferent to it. It made sense that his past would eventually catch up with him.
I thought the story was 'good' overall but hardly some masterpiece. The gameplay, stealth and gunplay, was top notch though.
@@DylanMarkTwo and im saying the story is trash
@@wgnd1614 Such strong criticism. 👏
Welp... You summoned The Last of Us fans. And the game wasn't even mentioned in the title. I knew it was gonna be here.
Dual protagonist can work if they actually tell you something about that protangist. In last of us part 2 we the player already know Ellie so her side is already strong cause we know who she is and what she stands for. Abby on the other hand is wasted not only do we play as her for 10 hours we know next to nothing about her and is somehow meant to care about her. Maybe if Abby was not only played first, got to see her reaction to all her friends dying real time, the flashbacks actually gave a f about her friends that wasnt owen, get too chose who you play as in the theater boss fight and the end of the game given the choice between sparing and killing her despite the weak writing the fans wouldnt have been so pissed playing it. Its still a video game it wouldnt be so hard tl have two endings and having the spare abby ending to be the definitive ending. Spiderman 2 also had the same problem however unlike Abby Miles is an establish character so even if he doesnt have much weight in thr story we know who he is and can have fun playing as him plus insomniac added changes to his powers
Yakuza 4 and 5 take it a step forward and have 4 and 5 characters respectively. 4 does this great in my opinion.
@DubDub-si8xs I still really like 5, but I bring up 4 more as a example due to its shorter length making all the plot points easier to juggle.
Back when splinter cell was going on there was 2 characters you played one was same the other his partner for that game and Sam’s pov is 3rd person where as his partner is 1st cool little switch but not the best levels for it
Video games feel a little less experimental now.
Also Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
funny how most of these have a 2 in the title
Almost like that was my plan aaaaallll aloooong 😜
Removing the zapping system is basically my only qualm with RE2 remake. But as is, it's the best use of dual protagonists of these examples. Two, full complete campaigns. Alan Wake 2 is too convoluted, TLOU 2 created pacing problems, in Spider-Man 2, let's be real, Peter's story was more important, and Miles felt like a sidekick with nothing to do, and for GoW Ragnarok, claiming Atreus' few playable sections counts him as a dual protagonist with Kratos is kind of a stretch. I would have be interested to hear about the twins in Assassin's Creed Syndicate, how Dishonored handled it, or even Detroit Become Human, which stars 3 protagonists.
Anyway, I can surely see Horizon splitting time between Aloy and Seika
Agree to disagree on some of your opinions.
Well I agree with your critique of last of us 2 but I think the flip flopping between the 2 characters should have been mandatory or you play two different campaigns like Sonic Adventure 2.
On replays having the choice is great, but honestly I’ve only played it once, and I really enjoyed playing the game but the story was just frustrating. I think they overextended themselves.
17:07 😂
I enjoyed sagas half more than Alan’s in Alan wake 2
resident evil 2’s second story was an afterthought that was added because of fan backlash that’s why it kinda sucked as a dual story
If done well its can be very interesting if not then one character gets sidelined. AC Origins is the worst example of this since Aya is the most interesting of the characters with far more history in the series but you can't play her in the open world.
wanna watch this so bad but i know im gonna hate myself when i play spiderman 2
You can skip the Spiderman 2 part ☺️
@@Kranitoko feel really stupid now you said that
I dont agree with what you said about the pacing in TLOU2. I felt the same at first, but after some time I really let myself go and enjoy abby’s section. In fact more than Ellie because I did not side with ellie at all. Revenge was not the solution. And abby’s arch and gameplay situations were really impressive. For me abby was what catapulted TLOU2 to a masterpiece level. And if you played episodes like you said you would forget many details. In fact in my second playthrough I discovered more and more nuances. UA-cam and the sexist gamers community can rot. The game is a 10 and its gameplay, length and story and message is the best ps4 game. Now ps5 too.
I don't think you'd forget many details because you'd be constantly switching and therefore you wouldn't be forgetting long.
As I mentioned it worked for AW2.
@@Kranitoko I think you get much more involved within each world by playing it as it is. So your opinion is just opinion. The “pace problem” in my opinion is worth it. In fact I think is necessary because it goes in tandem with the message: YOU MUST FIGHT YOUR FIRST INSTINCT TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE’S OPPOSITE SITUATION. I hate how this game has been treated. It makes me feel embarrased to be a gamer. You see how boring and dumb the new god of wars are compared to the originals? But you see, as it is “straight”, normative, and has no risk at all no one blinks an eye. Most Gamers are dumb like the new gow. Or they are sheep and let themselves influence by hatred towards the different or risky. 👎👎👎👎👎
@@Victorcolongarcia I mean your opinion is just as much subjective. I don't find the God of War games boring. Just because it doesn't do anything wildly out there like killing it's main character in the first hour in its story doesn't mean it's dumb or boring. Also you consider "God of War" straight normative when other demographics can get stuff out of it too. Kratos is Daddy to me as a gay man after all.
Your argument also implies that the Last of Us is simply LGBTQ normative then. Are you saying straight people can't enjoy the Last of Us and LGBTQ people can't enjoy God of War?
@@Kranitoko he’s been hot since 2005 but the game is straight as f. And the gameplay has removed everything: plstforms, clever puzzles, the camera was incredible and perfect for beat them up, current gow has nothing but graphics. Total time waster. TLOU2 is art. Compared to gow especially. But look at the reception. As a gaymer I feel embarrased to see the hatred towards the best game this industry has seen in my opinion since forever. I’ve been a gamer since 1996 and few times I felt something was as good/clever. 👍
@@Kranitoko I dont see the point answering to your second paragraph. Did not say anything like it. English is not my first language but I think I was able to say what I meant and its not what you tried to imply. TLOU2 is diverse, like life. Thats why all those sexists and homophobes hate it. It opens the door to sth they despise, you know nobody has ever been beaten for being straight. But in my country only in 2023 around 150 cases of gay people being beaten up in the street. Hatred is real. And the TLOU had a homophobic campaign. They used several points to destroy this game. Luckily they failed and it won GAME OF THE YEAR AND 10 Mill sales. 🤟🎉
I guess I'm the only one okay with the MJ levels....
I’m surprised there was no mention of Yakuza 0. That game also kicks ass. Good picks though nonetheless. I like all of these games with the exception of GOWR and AW2. Not hating on them, I just personally never was that interested in them.
what about dmc 5?
Never played it 😅
Bro rdr 2 john and arthur ?
i have platinumed all of them wow
Nice work!
Resident Evil was the best 100%
being a fan of the OG RE2 i hate the way remake does things, RE4R does it right.
I’m 36, don’t you old me! I don’t even remember who you are!
I don't even remember who I am 🤔
@@Kranitoko memory is overrated!
@@jameskingman1227 now if you'll excuse me, it's 7:30 and past my bedtime.
@@Kranitoko are you my soulmate? Lol
Two protagonist over complicates games, huh? Yet, Rockstar managed to make a masterpiece that endured not one, not two but three console generations with their 2013 tour-de-force "Grand Theft Auto V".
GTA 6 about to have two protagonists too.
Should of had co op in re2 remake
I mean maybe? May have taken away from the story a bit.
you missed Devil may cry 4 and 5
Never played them 😢
I personally hate dual protagonist games. Only Ragnarok and original RE2 is a good example of dual protagonist games in that list imo. Especially bad for games with RPG mechanics that wants you to commit to a build. People hated Aya sections in AC Origins because of that for example. You were taken out of your Bayek build and forced to play as a character with set build. Not only it takes you out of the game from a gameplay perspective but also takes you out of story, Alan's story is connected to Saga's for example but they don't overlap(heh) besides overlaps and ending.
Alan's and Saga's stories don't "directly" overlap but they are still connected in many ways.
Yakuza 0?
It's certainly one of them for sure.
i recommend you try red dead redemption 2 its really a masterpiece its story is really amazing
I remember getting half way through that and for some reason I can't remember there being two protagonists UNLESS it happens at the very end (no spoilers) like with RDR1.
@@Kranitoko yep it's the same with RDR1
You just fucked up, I missed #1 game. But It had 3 protagonists, GTA V
What do you mean I fucked up?
I'm novice to english, So please give me a excuse. From Sri lanaka, Good video man.
Can you tell me, Do I want to play RE games in order like RE2, RE3, RE4 [Remakes]?
@@Karthick18143 yes, that would be the correct order.
Thank you, You doing great man. Keep it up.
The controversy of TLOU2 is still one of the most pathetic things I have ever witnessed
No yakuza 0 nice
There are many dual Protagonist games, I couldn't mention them all.
While I agree that the pacing for TLOU2 was bad ...what really made me hate the game was the way you, the player, were treated as stupid. Like you couldn't get what the game was trying to tell you if they didn't consistently spell it out for you. And then repeat it.
And if course the way every single story beat was soooo predictable, that actually playing through it, to get to the "big reveals" or "emotional scenes" was utterly boring, followed by every line of dialogue ALSO being predictable...ugh
They also really didn't know what to do with Ellie (+ friends), having her parts of the game severely lacking in growth and depth, while Abby's part only becomes interesting when she's with Lev...aka when it copies the first game...
Add to that their marketing of the combat system, which turned out to be one of the most boring and most predictable things ever...and I really don't see how anyone can think this game was anything but a lackluster cash grap
The last of us part 2 did it the best
Resident Evil 2 IS the best resident evil game out there. Not the remake, the original. Alan Wake 2 is utter garbage though. Which is why it failed miserably sales wise.
Alan Wake 2 hasn't failed and it's not garbage? It's Remedy's fastest selling game? It just had a bigger budget, and Remedy games always, and I mean ALWAYS takes longer to profit, that's how their business model has always been because they make unique games.
@@Kranitoko nice cope
@@dannyd4339 says the one trying to bring other people and games down?
@@Kranitoko calling out a bad game for being bad is not putting it down. And when did I put anyone down? Stop snorting so much soy, it is getting to your brain.
@@dannyd4339 it's not a bad game though? It literally has high 9's and 10's from the majority of critics and gamers who played it, AND has won numerous awards...
You're putting people down by coming onto my video and talking shit about things I and others like.
There's the whole Diversity and Inclusion thing in a lot of these cases.
It's because Californians have the main say in making these games (or in Remedy's case consulted by Sweet Baby Inc), and unfortunately we all know what's been on the rise in California in the last 10 years.
Here's the thing.
There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with diversity and inclusion. Literally nothing. Zero. Everybody wants characters to relate with, and if culture helps people relate, so be it.
What's the issue with diversity though?
@@daxmichael6855he doesn’t know, just repeating what he heard other UA-camrs say
@@daxmichael6855 The issue is that a lot of the game changes because they activists feel the need to push their message.
Alan Wake 2 - Race-swapped Saga and made into the main character putting Alan Wake to the bench in his own game. A bit of a change would have been good, but I am almost certain it wouldn't have been to this extent without going woke. And of course, Saga has that beautiful, poetic "I hate white assholes" line.
Spiderman 2 - Same thing, Spiderman got sidelined completely. Bonus progressive points - Make MJ look "realistic" (-ly ugly)
The Last of Us - Make everyone lame and gay (and have you control them) while telling a pretty generic story.
God of War Ragnarok - Haven't played it, heard a famous Nordic mythology character is apparently black now - thanks Sweet Baby Inc.
This transfers to TV too - Geralt sidelined in his own show by girl bosses, making Galadriel into a (extremely unlikeable) warrior princess just so she can be the protagonist etc.
I hate it when games specifically Remedy games try to be edgy for no apparent reason.