God of the Orcs, the Daedric Prince Malacath | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #49
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- WELCOME to the Elder Scrolls Podcast with FudgeMuppet. In this episode, Scott, Michael & Drew discuss the daedric prince Malacath.
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Malacath: "It wasn't actually like that, it was all... Metaphysical and stuff."
Boethiah: "Nah, that's what actually happened, especially the part with the shit."
Bro nice
Boethia is incapable of chill lol
He quite literally got shit on by Boethiah
@@envoy2500 But Botethia is all about that ＰＬＯＴ
Boethiah Deadric prince of trolling.
"Except where the backbone is an actual backbone. Ever been to Malacath's realm...? Nasty stuff. But, back to the business at hand." Sheogorath
Its shame you guys to didn't mention the orc version of transformation of Trinimac to Malacath though, because unlike other versions of the myth, in the orcish version Trinimac transformed himself into Malacath by "tearing out the shame from his spirit" after he was banished to the Ashpit by Boethiah. This version has a lot of implications for Malacath as character. sure Trinimac most likely turned himself into Malacath out shame for getting tricked by Boethiah but what if it goes deeper? Maybe Trinimac also transformed himself into Malacath due to the shame and guilt he felt for for killing Lorkhan?
Trinimac, after "killing" Lorkhan, realised he was wrong in doing so, but continuing to lie to his people (Aldmer) by telling them they should be sad about their mortality was his shame. Boethiah caused shame to overflow from within Trinimac, forcing him to tell the truth, that he thinks Lorkhan was right, and after he confessed, the shame left him.
He felt ugly and like shit, having been revealed as a liar to his people, unfaithful to Auri-El, and bested by a Daedra. His followers that stuck with him, even after his public shaming, became as ugly as him, and joined him in self-exile.
That's my view of the events. Shame it wasn't deeply covered in the podcast.
@@jextra1313 I've always thought this the reason for his transformation as well. Trinimac was ashamed at what he had done after realizing after the fact that Shor/Lorkhan was right. And I think Boethiah piled on to Trinimac's guilt as well over what he had done to Shor/Lorkhan. Basically to compare it all to regular everyday religious terms and metaphors, Trinimac was the Judas to Shor's Jesus, and Boethiah was the Lucifer/Satan piling on to Trinimac's guilt and shame in betraying Shor and perpetuating the Aldmer lie. So to come to terms with his guilt and shame, he became Malacath and exiled himself.
Reachmen's worship of Malacath should have been expanded upon due to them being the deadra-worshipping outcast of men.
@Wirr Ling no they do actually worship the daedra
@@samuelbrockett7193
Well, some of them, at least. I suppose it's like the Khajit, they have some they do worship, other's that they don't, only learn from
theory: the term 'orc' has changed in meaning over time: it used to be a catch-all term for the remnant-races of the previous kalpa; trolls and goblins and giants, et al. When some Mer suffered a similar fate, their un-changed kin called them 'orcs' as a slur.
could explain the 'dwarf' called 'orc': he was named such whilst the term still meant something like 'corrupted one', although given the dwemer's unique world view, possibly, in their version of the Mer tongue it would better translate to 'changed one',
I like this idea, and it seems plausible considering the older texts say "oh we ran into orcs" well before the Orcs we know of today were a thing. Goblin probably went through a similar process too. It may not have been how it was originally thought of when it was written, but adapting it in such a way makes things make more sense.
After all, elves are beautiful men and orcs were created to be the contrast to elves. They r pretty much just what people called trolls for hundreds of years
Malacath has always been my favorite Daedric Prince, despite his origins and his back story, it reminds me of the orcs from LOTR cause can you imagine if Malacath commanded all orcs in an army, similar to how the hist can command the argonians, seeing 100 orcs coming at you head on with malacath running at you in their ranks would be terrifying!
Yeah cuz none of the LOTR orcs were mutinous or wanted a better dinner menu
Yeah I'd definitely trust an elder scrolls orc way more than a LOTR orc
LOTR Orcs are Coward and rotten, they represent Just that, there is no difference From "Goblins" there
Only Uruk-Hai that Saruman Created were more strong and Have less fear
People only remember those Orcs and think they were The true Orcs that Tolkien Created, The. The Orcs Became those "Brutes" we know From every Universe
Welp, I wouldn't be scared of 10000 or s if malacath was leading them..... I know the daedric prince already sealed everybody's fate who he puts his eyes upon XD. All u can do is pray
Malacath: You guys always act like you're better than me
Other Daedric Princes:
Other Daedric Princes: No shit!
I still believe they made this podcast to kill the conspiracies about them all being the same person
I agree with Drew that the story of Malacath could have been twisted in order to make the God himself and his followers look worse off than others, but I could absolutely see in the Elder Scrolls lore that he was infact eaten and then shat out. It would make you question how literal other stories are in the universe.
Leading to the ultimate redpill that vivec never lied or embellished
It’s really funny seeing you follow me around different channels I’m subbed to.
My thoughts about excrement being less literal is to do with daedra lords *being* their spheres. For example, it could be Boethiah corrupted him by twisting his mind towards the padomaic perspective, changing his followers view of him by speaking through him, before dragging his domain from aetherius intooblivion. His tranformation through bring devoured, changed, and ejected could make sense in lore when viewed more metaphorically.
nope just got poopied
To an entity that isn't fully physical, being forcibly changed in a psychological and/or metaphysical sense by a peer likely wouldn't be that different from being consumed and excreted...
38:06
If a goblin was taller than me, I would shit myself in fear.
Goblin Warlords in the caverns across Cyrodiil... _shudder_
I imagine that the "echo of something that once was" in the Ashpit represents Trinimac
It really is cool to see how much of Malacath's teachings are basically Malacath having a hissy-fit over being tricked and humiliated by Boethiah. "Society needs to be really simple so that honesty is obvious! The VICTIM gets to decide how bad the punishment is! You have to be strong so that people can't bully you!!!"
I think it makes more sense if you believe the story that mephala intervened in the fight, he was stronger than boethia and was beating her but lost and was humiliated because of secret planning, so it makes sense he would be obsessed with honor and strength above all
What if the connection is that Trinimac was a Dwemer god, and Dumac was an avatar of his similar to a Shezarrine? That would explain Volendrung and the Dumalacath thing at the same time.
Or maybe dumac retroactively became trinimac. It's interesting that dumac (2 + "Mac") and trinimac (trinity + "Mac") are so similar and dumac is also sometimes called dumalacath, dwarf-orc. It's a weird connection, for sure.
From what we know, Dwemer didn't worship any generally known gods.
I always thought about The Blood Prices of Orcs as a sort of Challenge, like they ask You "You Want to pay in Materials, or Blood Price"
I imagine like being a Challenge to fight, If You Could defeat The one you offended or robbed Then you would have The Right to do so, because he was weak
Podcast #49 and iets 49 minutes long. I love this.
That is one... big hammer. What do you aim to do with that hammer, friend? Knock down a house?
The Brutal Bands should be an artifact in TES VI. The unarmed skill needs to return
Feel terrible for Malacath, the spurned Trinimac, wronged and backstabbed and humiliated. Like, seriously, look at his short but action packed story in the Dawn/Early Meredith Era.
First his brother Lorkhan betrayed and lied to him, which he then defeated, tearing his treacherous heart from his Bastard chest, he saw Old Ehlnofey/Aldmeris sundered, and wept to see the destruction and desolate world of early Mundus.
Then the traitor Veloth lead Aldmer astray to the forces of Padomay, and he tries to stop them, and beats the Oblivion out of Boethia until Mephala comes and stabs him in the back. The he gets absorbed and then expelled as a less grand, Oblivion tainted self.
I hope one say an Altmer or something mantles the open spot Trinimac left behind, maybe with Malacath's help. And maybe the New Trinimac will fight Talos, the new Lorkhan, at the end of this Kalpa. And maybe revenge on Boethia and Mephala as well.
I like how Malacath is essentially an "Anuic" Daedra.
(Also;)
Sad to see you guys went over looking into the "Place that once was" in his Realm. Some say it's a part of the Original Aedric power within him, a place that shows what Trinimac "once was", at least that's how I see it. The leftover part of his more Aedric early days.
Trinimac defeated Shor in single combat. No way Boethiah alone took him down
@@idipped2521
Yep, exactly. It was said he was gonna strike a mighty blow against Boethia, but Mephala hopped in last minute and tag teamed him... Boethia was likely about to be seriously hurt, and that says a lot, since Trinimac was loosing power (as an Aedra, they were loosing power and can't be on Nirn for long it seems) and she was a Daedra, who had all her power, yet he was still kicking her ass
@@idipped2521 he defeated Shor using Boethia's sphere, secret plots of murder and conspiracy. If Daedra are strengthened when a mortal innacts their sphere it would make sense that the way Trinimac defeated Shor would've strengthened Boethia
@@ValeriaHoran666
But wasn't Lorkhan/Shor the one who betrayed and deceived the other Et'Ada? That's why Boethia takes a liking to him, and Fudgemuppet just made a video on it not too long ago.
I mean... Trinimac would've lost to Boethia and Mephala considering that he as an Aedra was loosing power while in Mundus, whereas Boethia and Mephala don't have any energy being sapped by them, since, well... they're Daedra, so I mean, they're Et'Ada at full strength.
So really, right off the get go, he's already at a disadvantage. I don't see how he was the one who "murdered" or had been the one conspiring against Lorkhan, given that he was the one who took the other's power
@@thalmoragent9344 whether or not Shor deceived the other depends on which point of view you trust. But either way his Deception wasn't a plot of murder where as Trinimac clearly was involved in a plot to kill Shor, which falls under a daedric sphere. It may be that he would have lost either way but there's no doubt he fed into their power
23:30 - This DOES make sense for the small-scale tribal lifestyle that the orcs do live though. These tribes have very limited resources. So making sure that only the strongest people survive and reproduce makes sense because they only have so many resources to expend and in that case it makes sense the expend them on the strongest.
24:20 - Yeah, the old orcs going out to die in combat follows the same logic. Very limited resources so the tribe can't afford to expend them on old orcs who can't fight anymore.
Thank you guys for this podcast. Perfect timing, I must say. I am currently writing a fanfiction, short story based in Elder Scrolls universe and I had some problems you've just cleared with this Malacath video.
For those interested here is the synopsis: a nord woman became a victim of sexual assault, the offender is jarl's brother (he is also a judge in this case) and he has a good reputation. She couldn't prove him guilty and people started gossiping about her, you know, how she lost her honor doing such a baseless accusations, how she wanted to posses jarl's brother's money etc. She became an outcast, withdrew from public life and prayed to the Divines for justice, but noone answered until Malacath heard her prayers (in the first conception it was Boethiah, but now I see that Malacath is a much better option). She is going to get her revenge with his help.
One of the “Good” Daedra, just not to the Chimer/Dunmer.
Exactly. I don't see how Daedra ESPECIALLY like Mephala are "Good Daedra"... like, Boethia isn't good either but you could see her as a "tough" Daedra, sure, and Azura is the only "good" one that they worship.
Now, if it was Malacath, Jyggalag, Azura (maybe even Meridia) those I can see as good or decent Daedra to be called "good".
@@thalmoragent9344 I think the Dunmer would argue Boethia and Mephala are necessary. They follow the Psyjic Endeavor which requires trails to overcome in order for successful apothiosis.
@@matthewrawlings1284
Of course they'd like her, they're the ones who went with those 3, betraying the other Aldmer and Trinimac.
Boethia I can understand, but Mephala inherently leads to a lot of internal conflicts, trials that she brings about may help, but plenty of them have died rather sad deaths, all in her name.
They may not be as malicious as most other Daedra, but I have to ask you... how many Dunmer have actually achieved Apotheosis? Over 4,000 + years under their guidance, and for what? Only 3 of them to actually achieve a state of semi-godhood? Through means those 3 Daedra didn't actually agree with? Morrowind did better under the Tribunal than the Daedra, in all honesty.
I get that achieving Apotheosis is hard, and only a few Mer like Phynaster, Xarxes, Vivec, Mannimarco, and even quite a few Snow Elves, or at least we're alluded too. Notice, only one person there can boast any claim of Dunmer blood... that says a lot 🤷🏿
@@thalmoragent9344 i think it's more that their spheres are conducive to achieving chim. Whether or not a person is successful relies on the individual.
@@matthewrawlings1284
Fair enough, although if you're willing to the a chance with the likes of Mephala, and to an extent Boethia, then perhaps grabbing Hermaeus Mora for his knowledge may have proved just as beneficial for them, who knows.
I’d love to see a podcast episode or perhaps a separate podcast going through the 36 sermons in depth
Something I really love about the Elder Scrolls is that no race is really inherently evil (saving maybe the Sload, but they're outliers lol). I feel like a lot of fantasy worlds just go the Tolkien route and make Orcs straight up evil bloodthirsty savages, and I appreciate the sort of sympathetic role the orcs here get. I've always found their sort of despised position in society and Malacath's origin story interesting.
Been waiting patiently for this, didn’t want to go to sleep before the podcast dropped. Honestly I get more excited for the episodes of this than I do of any episodes for any tv show.
Edit: Hearing Drew back track so that Scott could talk about his point that Drew remembered was so fucking wholesome ❤️
YES. Summaries of the book videos please.
I like that you used the most scuffed version of Malacath for the thumbnail.
Doesn’t drew look like a guy who’ll break your heart so he can go play elder schools and I want to see Scott to grow a beard 🥺😂
I am surprised you guys did not speak of the Sworn Oath and the Bloody Code. The Sworn Oath means do not scorn the already scorned. The Bloody Code offers strength to those who seek righteous vengeance. When Trinimac tried to prevent the Chimer from leaving Summer Set, he made the fatal error of arrogance. For all his might, he forgot humility, and thus Boethiah punished him. Malacath embodies a more matured form of honor, and that honor is not complete without humility. It has been said that the battlements of the Ashen Forge extend infinitely, all the way into Aetherius. Malacath is the weakest when arrogant in strength, and the mightiest when vengeance is done in the name of justice. Also, Volendrung can rip through castle walls. At its finest it is a seige weapon.
On the subject of the advantages of having a god for a King, Molag Bal was the chief of the Dreugh Kings when they ruled over the whole of the mortal world.
When Michael mentioned the “parent living vicariously thru their child” idea, I couldn’t help but look at my own mother lol
Drew remembering that Scott was saying something was very wholesome.
It's possible that Malacath's connection to Volendrung is not just a claimed Dwemer hammer, but that he actually helped make it. With the Dwemer view on Daedra, there's no reason they wouldn't work with him, and if he was directly involved in helping the Rourkens smith Volendrung, it would make sense that with them gone, he'd be the rightful owner of it.
The Trinimac-Malacath & Boethia myth needs a parallel interpretation in another TES religion. Cause we only have the Aldmer version atm.
Other deities have way more interpretations in the series which enriches them.
Yeah like another religion says malecath is the love child of trinimac and boethia or another may state that that trinimac was never actually an aedra and was just malekith was just pretending
Orcs, proof that some people would rather be literal shit than High-Elves.
I don't blame them.
@Wirr Ling Also getting cucked by some cave man humans with a big robot.
@Sanguine who got killed by just turning it on
@@kalebb1226 well, we don't /know/ that they're dead lol
@@envoy2500 EXTINCT IS EXTINCT!
Dwemer could be elves that chose to throw the gods aside after the transformation from trinimac to malacath
About the name of Malacath:
It's interesting to me that Malacath's name in Japanese can be spelt as "ma-ra-ka-su"(マラカス) just like death can be spelt like "de-su" (デス).
Because the letters r and l are interchangable in Japanese, either we get 'marakas' or 'malakas'. The latter is Filipino for 'strong'. Interstingly, since Malacath ,being one of the Four Corners of the House of Troubles according to the Dunmer is there to test physical weakness, you could say he also tests the strength of the Dunmer as well.
His titles "Daedric Prince of the Bloody Oath" and "Keeper of the Bloody Curse" could be one and the same. In Filipino, the word "sumpa" can either mean a curse or a promise; an oath.
And Malek literally means "king" in Arabic.
Just my two cents
Maybe some Orcs existed before the corruption. But then after the corruption more came into existence. Then eventually they mated together.
Additionally I respect and accept the Tribal/Stronghold system of the Orcs for the most part.
Malacath, patron of the extra-sized
Alway wondered what it was like when Boethiah and Malacath went to Daedric ComicCon and had to hang out
The last time I was this early cyberpunk2077 had a bright future and was going to be released in September.
Oof
OOOHHHHHH! 🔥
Wouldn't it be fun if the dwemer were a third party of Mer that bore witness to Trinimacs corruption and had their articles of faith essentially broken because of the fallability of THE spirit of strength. Im not saying thats my headcanon necessarily, but I feel like it would fit in to the long term connections between the dwemer and chimer, and the dwemer and orsimer. The dwemer could have been the ones that saw the actions of the Anticipations and the Chimer's faith in them as distasteful and horrific, felt that they couldn't be protected and led by one so easily defeated, and that their best bet was to find power of their own in a place where they couldn't be snuck up on like Trinimac had allowed himself to be as he projected his faith onto all of them. If they had been part of the Chimeri diaspora or Trinimac's followers or a mix of both even, given their early schism into clans, it would explain their obsession with the doom drum and the basis for their future efforts to harness the Heart of Lorkhan.
i liked the part when old man sheo tricked the other daedra
When doesn’t he?
Curse me once, shame on me.
Leave me be, shame on you :p
Orc woman don't need social media to express their strength. They force the men to prove they deserve The luxury of what woman can offer. And once won: stupendous spoils go to the greatest man. That concept is so beautiful. You work as a man for the PRIZE of a woman. Not Money, or arrogance, or bravado amongst others. We men have to WORK for that Puuh. I love Orcs.
@@chisasa9509 I bet you probably want some orc PuUuh
Great 2-step that could greatly benefit Malacath’s power:
1. Pitch him as a 2-headed, 2-sided god. Malacath the warrior, the survivor, the avenger, and Trinimac the builder, the defender, the arbitrator. Switch between the two as your growing civilization requires.
2. Convert the modern Falmer to the veneration of Malacath as their chief spirit.
14:23 I will remind you all that the other daedric princes drove sheogorath insane to stop him from defeating them all. Fair is fair.
i’m pretty sure the sealing of Jyggalag was before Trinimac was corrupted and also even if it wasn’t, i guarantee you the other Daedric Lords wouldn’t have asked Malacath to help; nor would Malacath help them since he was first corrupted by them and then constantly belittled and insulted by the other lords
That childish laugh at 48:14 is hilarious.
I'm curious about the orc naming convention of ------ gro -------- . A bit of dialogue from an orc out of the stronghold south of Markarth would suggest it means "of" but I've never really figured it out.
I ask because for the longest time I'd name my orc characters after the ancient king Gilgamesh. Rather recently I've adopted a more Tamrielic adaptation but I'm not sure if it fits the naming convention.
It's a minor thing but there are people whom are more familiar about this than I (hence why I am inquiring).
This is a gender marker. Gro means a male and gra a female. I assume that male and female orcs can have the same names with the gro/gra gender marker making up the only difference. I guess it is possible for some orcs not following this naming convention at all thou.
I assumed gro means "son of..." and gra means "daughter of..." In real-life there's a lot of identifying people with same or similar names based on who their parents (to be honest; usually their fathers) were, and in a tribal society like the Orcs, that would make a lot of sense, because kinship matters a lot in those societies.
City-orks, who longer live among their clans, might drop this convention, because a) with fewer orcs around, there's less potential for confusion, b) kinship ties don't matter that much in cities and c) because they no longer identify as much with orcish traditions.
Thank you all for the informative replies. Much appreciation. Based on the replies I think the changes I made to my orc's identity makes sense and is cogent with the lore. I noticed the gra difference but never really made that connection based on sex (though I probably should have I thought it was like the "romantic" languages inwhich the words meant the same thing but is different based on the sex of the speaker). Thanks agian, it's good to know that my head cannon is generally harmonious with the actual game cannon.
The intro song is my pavlovian conditioning to a Fudgemuppet podcast 👊🏻
You guys should have expanded on the Malacath-Orkey-Arkay connection in the Nordic pantheon.
Common imagine a 18th daedra Prince, we have 9 spokes but 17 gaps.
Can we get a podcast all about Lorkhan and the creation of mundus and lore of him?
Also, also: You can find Volundrung in the Museum in Mournhold in the Mournhold DLC in Morrowind. Just thought I'd throw that in. Cheers!
That's Stendarr's Hammer. Volundrung is with Yagrum Bagarn in Tel Fyr.
Great podcast. I always listen to these in my Monday mornings at work. I want to see the Thalmor use some elder scroll shenanigans to separate Trinimac and Malacath. I then want to see a Thalmor agent mantle Trinimac to wage war on man in TES6 to take hold of Direnni Tower. Yet, that is just my fantasy for a TES6 plotline. I would like to know more about Volundrung and the Dwemer connection. Do you think that these particular Dwemer could reach out to Malacath for aid? Not as worshiping a god but requesting a pact with a powerful entity? The Daedric Princes do not just assist their worshippers they seem to help any and all people if they align with their purpose. That coincides with how the player character in all games seem to be able to make pacts and deals with all princes. Also going back to TES6, you think we will ever be able to get multiple Daedric Artifacts? Like do a intro quest for a Prince and get a minor artifact abd then if we pledge to a pact with them we go on a larger quest to get their best/more iconic artifact?
The book plan is NICE
My favorite podcast
I'd be super down for summaries of the novels, bc i'm never gonna read them but they sound interesting
I bet Malacath would love outlaw country.
Malacath and his orcs have zero plot armor but they can take all the crap thrown at them.
I request a summary on the Lusty Argonian Maid, please!
I forgot which vid of yours it was... since I watch so ridiculously much of you guys. But the faces of Masser and Secunda does not look like it's a copy of a real world moon. Ganymede from Jupiter comes closest to Secunda, but has a different surface. Just wanted to let you guys know! Keep making my live a littlw bit better by posting these amazing vids! Thank you!
Scott looks better with the mustache imo
You think orsinium will be in es6 like a place to travel to or a dlc
If 6 is in Hammerfell, I could see Orsinium as a DLC
I would like that.
A DLC for it would be nice, because I would imagine it would allow it to be more fleshed out and unique.
@@CyberController- As long as it's not a copy and paste of the ESO DLC.
Plot Twist : The Dwemer disappeared because they dug straight down.
😂😂😂😂😂
How is this POV?
POV: Youre on yt trying to leave a funny comment but dont understand the POV meme 😫😫
The Dwemer Rick Rolled themselves into playing 4D Minecraft but they didn't know the rules.
@@EinFelsbrocken sorry, I changed it to plot twist!
Your all kinda off about the poop story and it's kinda funny that you take the side of a Prince that goes by the title of deceiver aka Boethia.
I think it would be cool if you guys had your character builds be follower mods.
I am enjoying these Sunday rants
Beer and a donut on a crisp morning watching my favorite lore lords lol
A real winners lifestyle you've got going on there
@@alexbrowne9566 only way to do it lol
These podcasts are just the best thing. Twice a week! twice a week! Jk y’all do you, but we’d eat them up!!
LETS F*CKING GO DUDE I was not expecting this Malacaths my favorite prince I didn’t think you guys would make a podcast on him since u already made one on the orcs. THANK YOUUU
For me it will always be:
God of curses, hear my prayer! Lord of the betrayed, give me strength! Keeper of the grudge, harden my heart! It's time to butcher some elves!
Every time my Orc Smith takes up his sword and shield or Warhammer to slay some Aldmeri Dominion asses xD
Oh so I read a Reddit post in which somebody theorised the story is actually really literal to fit into a simplified mythos. What actually happened was that when Auriel and Trinimac realised Lorkhan had tricked them into giving up power to create Nirn, Trinimac who was the paragon of unity, strength and protection was mantled by Boethiah when he betrayed Lorkhan and tore out his heart, as Boethiah is the daedric prince of plots, sedition, overthrow of lawful power etc, this really was boethiah’s moment. Trinimac was basically an oath breaker and because his aspect had been marred by Boethiah he became malacath. My only issue with that theory is how did Boethiah go back to being Boethiah? Or did Boethiah corruption of Trinimac sort of tear Boethiah and Malacath back into being separate entities?
Kind of a Jamie Lannister season 1 to Jamie Lannister Lannister season 9 or whatever
fudgemuppet, elder scrolls lore and fallout nv perfect sunday
While listening to the Podcast some thoughts about the metaphysical stuff came to my mind, maybe someone can tell me whether they make sense or not:
So assuming that there is truth in the Trinimac = Poop = Malacath story (in whatever variation) it would be interesting to know if it actually took place in the early merethic era or the dawn era when the gods quite literally walked Tamriel. I mean, it is known that the aedric spirits had to invest a big amount of their power to create the mortal realm, whereby they got caught in it right? There was the Ehlnofey war where the gods took sides with men or mer, there was the convention at Adamatia, then the Aedra fell into a comatose state, because of which they cannot act as freely with mortals as the daedra can, the realm stabilized, linear time began. So assuming that when the Chimer made their way to Resdayn, Trinimac, then still being an Aedra, was still quite able to put up a fight, I ask myself how it is even possible for this story to have happened in the Merethic Era, since Trinimac, by then, should have been quite less capable of acting in the way he obviously did. Additionally, how can it be then that he is transformed into a mighty, if shunned, daedric prince with full power and concousness, when, at this point of time, he should be drastically weakened?
I thought of three possible reasons for this:
1. All of this story happened in the Dawn Era, when time was not yet linear nor stable. Then, Trinimac could easily have been in a much better shape, also it was more plausible for him to be literally there in an incarnated form.
2. The decline of the Aedra into their unconcous state did not conclude with the end of the Dawn Era, but rather endured into linear time, maybe did not stop at any time at all. So Trinimac, him being one of the most powerful spirits, could have been alive and well while the others lay already at least semi-dormant. In that case it would be far more plausible for him to be consumed, corrupted and well, pooped out while still being very powerful and thereby being, like, "ripped" from his connection to the mortal realm that would have caused him to lose power over time. Therefor, Malacath is still very powerful in modern times, if consumed by bitterness.
3. The reason Boethia could defeat and consume Trinimac at all is that Trinimac has already been very weakend at the point when the two clashed and *tin-foil hat time* Boethia only quite consumed the rest of the power that was left of the once-great warrior. Then, knowing that it was necessary for the new folk of the good deadra to have an opponent that tests their physical strenght, he/she actually infused some of his/her own power into the remains of Trinimac, thereby "reviving" him and giving him back a lot of his former dawn era power, and obviously also disgracing him within that process. Continuing that thought, with former Trinimac being fully oder maybe only partly aware of this, he grew bitter and resentful, knowing fully that he is only a chess figure in Boethia's plan for the PSIJIC Endeavor. Or he does not realize this at all and sees himself as, well, what now-Malacath is percieved to be - dishonored, laughted at, resented. OR maybe Boethia's power infusion twisted his mind to a certain extend, thereby twisting this new gods character and treatment of his followers. Assuming all this it could be that the true Trinimac is really dead, similarly to Lorkahn, and revenge has been taken for the loss of Boethia's maybe-lover. *tin-foil hat off*
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I brushed but I think I caught what's in your text. If we go by Boethiah's logic, you could agree that Trinimac was made to be Malacath, nymic changed, as a testing god not to carry general concepts of plots, but rather a compliment to it, revenge and curses. The daedric prince of revenge was supposedly Lorkhan, but Lorkhan died and did not remain but his earth-bones, heart, blood, etc. With this in mind, Boethia did what he/she could to fill in the gap, using an elven war god. Even in the face of dishonor, the strong drive of revenge can turn battles around, esp when it favors the Orsimer, that is why Orsinium remains in High Rock.
@@oujimandias6485 I can agree but could you explain to me what it is with Lorkhan being the daedric prince of revenge? I mean in the nordic aspect of him I could agree to that to a certain extend, because of his taking sides with the wandering ehlnofey who were shunned by the old ehlnofey, but if don't think this alone would make "revenge" to Lorkhan's sphere. (of course if you would establish that Lorkhan indeed was a daedric prince in his own right in the first place and not just a, let's say "et'Ada with padomaic preference" )
In case you misunderstood and this thought comes from there, what I meant in my post's last sentence was that Lorkhan seemed to have a good relation to Boethiah, but was, let's say "murdered" by Trinimac when he ripped out Lorkhan's heart, and by changing/dishonoring/digesting Trinimac to Malacath he/she exacted revenge for this, additionally to this corruption serving a purpose for the Chimer.
(sorry if i'm writing overly complicated i just have problems finding the right expressions from time to time)
@fudge can you do a podcast explaining the real world nations/races/ethnicities of which the races of TES are based on?
Yay, thank you for my Sunday morning lesson! ❤️💜💙
I don't believe the actual eating part. It's been documented that these princes can open "their jaws to oblivion".
"She smiled. And the gates of Oblivion opened between her teeth." - Boethiah's Proving
So it makes sense to me this could a half literal AND half metaphorical sense, I'd say Trinimac was "swallowed" into oblivion where he was corrupted into Malacath.
As for the part where the Orcs rubbed themselves with ****, these stories always seem to be couched in metaphor I couldn't quite guess what this could be a metaphor with though...
Love from the UK lads keep up all the work!
Since a lot of sources on the dwemer are chimer in origin, and since early elves tended to use orc as a catch all term for non-elf, I think that explains most of the orc-dwemer stuff. Like its an insult to these deep elves who are barbaric in the sense that they don't revere anything the other elves do
Could there have been orcs that existed as goblinkin before the corruption of trinimac. Then the aldmer that chose to follow him became orcs because orcs were already considered outcasts
If you don't worship Malacath, you ain't Orsimer
@Wirr Ling they ain't Orsimer, simple as
@@thth-sv4bt luv me daedra, luv me clan, luv me wives, 'ate boeth, 'ate mephala, simple as
@Wirr Ling losers that's what they are
Scott continues to make me question my sexuality
Feels gay man
Him signing the pact makes sense to because He is kinda anti-Daedra
I wish the next scrolls has a side campaign of pro malacath traditionalists and like metropolitan orcs making an orsiniom. Pick a side and see the self sabotage of malacath keeping his people down.
Um... that's pretty much word-for-word the plot of Elder Scrolls Online: Orsinium
Malacath and Mephala being allies never made sense to me since the story of Malacath losing to Boethiah involved Mephala sneaking up and stabbing him in the back. Also you could have a city state under Malacaths beliefs, the Orcs issue was the civil war over beliefs. He also doesn’t want his people to be separated, it’s just stronghold Orcs like being in strongholds. Based on stories and even seeing him make sure revenge is dealt out for his followers, Malacath is one of the few princes that actually cares for them.
"Matters that weigh only years to mortals weigh on gods forever" - Azura. Due to this mental timelessness, Malacath's failure will always feel just as painful as the moment it happened. He is a pariah, self-exiled from civilization, actively avoiding it. Without some big lore event changing his mind (tes6 pls), he will always be against his children's return to glory. Orsinium existing goes against his sphere.
@@jextra1313 That’s only one Princes belief, we’ve seen plenty of Princes not care about things that happened in the past. Hell according to lore Malacath and Mephala are allies despite Mephala being the reason he lost to Beothiah. You’d think the Prince that’s known for hold grudges against those that fuck him or his people over would hate the Prince that started the whole thing. There was also nothing about Orsinium that was against Malacath aside from the Trinimac worshippers. If Malacath wanted complete exile than the Strongholds would be against his beliefs and all Malacath worshippers would live alone in caves.
Pretty sure Malacath and Mephala being allies comes from Daggerfall era lore, so I think it is most likely outdated lore and probably isn't the case in the lore now. The only Daedric Prince I can see Malacath being allies with, is Hircine due to them both being the more honorable princes with connections to more tribal cultures but except from Hircine, I cant see Malacath being allies with any Daedric Prince.
Here come the poop jokes.
PHH, please it’s the Orcs, poop jokes are like knock knock jokes. The risqué ones are all about Altmer.
@@mesektet5776 haha. Dead babies.
When are you going to cover Sanguine? Best Daedra
EPISODE 49 IS 49 MINUTES LONG!?!?!?!?!? IT'S THE HARBINGER OF THE END TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always has been
that sounds wrong lol
0:42
...prince of the bloody oaf
I'm curious can men follow Malacath is there a tribe of men not orcs that follow his code ???
The men of the reach worship Malacath, along with the other daedra. They don't necessarily live by his code, they kinda have their own thing going on. They consider him one of the 'great spirits'
@@alexbrowne9566 Interesting however I mean men who follow Malacath and his code no other Daedra
@@shadowdwellerconwis2057 no that doesn't exist
@@shadowdwellerconwis2057 it's kinda like asking why men don't worship the dark elf tribunal. It's because they exist for the dark elves. Malacath is all about the Orcs, and men have much better options than malacath when choosing which gods to worship. He's kind of a trashy god in elder scrolls
@@alexbrowne9566 Yh I agree with that he is a bit trashy lol
We need a podcast on Arkay. What's going on with that guy anyway?
The problem about an Arkay podcast is that it turns lively, and then it dies down.
Coffee and fudgemuppet good morning
I've never been on time for a Video before
I really want to watch this and the Peryite video, but bruh, I dun have that level of patience to sit through 50 minutes of video lol. Keep them to 7~10 mins lol.
That's the point of the regular vids the podcast is supposed go be longer because it's a much more more in depth and covers more
Imagine es6 a quest line is the last sacking of orsinium and malacath reverts back to trinamac
And becomes a present aedra
Heil Malacath! I am an Orc right now and I love it. 😉
Brother orc, are you not ashamed to worship the shit of my Lord? Leave the weakling Mauloch - he's not worthy of our kind. Come to Boethia with me - he's strong. Don't be deceived by cowards. If your heart is strong, then you will join the ranks of the mighty. If not, then we may condescend to put you out of your misery.
@@yojishinkawa378 Don't be like Heimskr, my brother. My heart belongs to Malacath. Maybe Hircine if I become a werewolf. 😏
Last time I was this early Malacath was still Trinimac
I'm calling it now: episode 69 should be reserved for discussion of marriage customs and the erotic subtext of the Elder Scrolls.
Yes
Crassius Curio special episode
37:55 you can see how irritated Michael is on how Scott always has some input And is always taking over the conversations
I’ve always seen it the other way
Wow first time being this early 😂
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