Could low-energy Leafs fans be the reason behind their big game losses?
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2024
- Sid, Meredith and Devo chat about whether or not Leafs fans bring enough energy to the game.
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Can’t score on the PowerPlay, can’t stop the other team from scoring on the penalty kill, don’t have the killer instinct in the games… Let’s blame the crowd.
Them losing in the playoffs all these years was the fans fault all along, who knew??? 🤷♂
It’s been obvious all along lol
Come on,any fan base after all the hope,dreams,prayers,since 1967,Failure,upon failure,upon failure,How in Gods creation,how can anyone blame them,most of the real fans can not afford,to even think about attending,it is like that in a lot of venues!I attended,my first Blackhawks game,on 22 December 2023,against the Canadians,in more then 40, years,great view,even though we were way up high,but the prices,and they were lowered,because of the product on the ice,everything,was ridiculous,a working family is better off staying home,unless you are rich!DISCUSTING!
Exactly 1 for 11 I believe. Also I remember the crowds were so much better against the Ottawa Senators during those four years
I'm barely getting by and living in a small apartment. I'm sorry, Leafs. Must be my fault
When teams price out true fans at any sports event this is what you get.
1000% true
Exactly I'm not sure how much tickets in Toronto are in the lower bowl for the playoffs but at 600 plus per seat in Vancouver
@@BobSaxon-ou7wwthousands. 1200 to 1800 per.
100% correct. There are a bunch of rich suits in the crowd, and the passionate fans are at home on their couch screaming at the tv.
@@kingdiablo35 that is gross for ticket prices
I was at the game in the upper bowl section 321. The crowd was amazing up top, we cheered all night, starting go leafs go chants, booing the rat, hazing on Sweyman. The lower bowl is just suits and business deals, and that's where the arena mics are.
YES!!!!! We need more camera shots of the upper bowl fans! THE TRUE FANS!!!! I hope the Leafs realize this. Just like those amazing fans who travelled to Buffalo for that end of season game...those Leafs fans were a*m*a*z*i*n*g*. You could tell Matthews loved it!
I thought last year's playoff crowd was great. Heard constant cheering throughout the game and it made the games that much better. Was kinda disappointed that last night's crowd didn't have the same excitement and energy.
When you sell tickets for thousands of dollars you market the real fans out.
How much cheaper is it to watch a Blue Jays game in comparison to watching a Leafs game ? 🤔🇨🇦⚾🏒
Blame the fans. Okay. Laughable...
I blame the mayor
Not laughable. The TRUE fans are sitting in the 300 section and get zero camera time. The fans we’re mad as heck at are the corporate loser crowd sitting down below in the platinums and golds. They need to give their heads a shake!!! What an embarrassment!!
Fans aren’t loud enough it’s always in the upper bowl
I'm from Toronto and have never rooted for the Leafs. Problem is that Toronto is filled with idiots. A lot of em are my friends...but they're losers as long as they're leaf fans
I was thinking the same thing dumb topic to entertain
3:10 Maybe it is a good idea to have a second NHL team in the GTA. Hopefully, that team would offer more affordable tickets.
Definitely a great idea, the GTA could easily accommodate 2 more teams
And Toronto finally would get real hockey team !
The Leafs ownership won't allow it....not even in the Hammer...they aint having it. They want all eyes on their glorious product!
The Thunder Bay Clanidia's
Mississauga Mounties - definitely could work, they got the Hershey arena too!
To be fair, we took our son to the Sabres Leafs game where Matthews got his 60th. That’s where the true Leafs fans were. As a Sabres fan, I was furious but also impressed. They were so loud. It truly comes down to tickets being too expensive for any normal human to afford, unless they want to miss their rent or mortgage payment for the month 😂
100% correct.
And thus the need another GTA team. Will never happen unfortunately
Coming from a Bruins fan, I thought the leafs crowd was loud and into it, louder than Boston’s been. The local media is the problem not the fans.
I entirely agree here
haha the team is the problem
If you look at the old 2000s playoffs, even the 1993, 1994 playoffs, the crowd was much louder, and to start a 2nd or 3rd period with empty seats, it's a sad look.
well said. that's exactly the perfect comparison. if people actually go on YT and look at videos, the difference in fan energy is undeniable back then, compared to how antiseptic the fan energy is now.
Back then it was actually affordable for real fans not a bunch of rich people pulling up for clout
MLG was absolutely electric in the 90s era, with Clark, Gilmour etc. Sold out every game in the Garden, and for 20 years afterward. I think Leaf fans realise when we are being duped. This team is not good enough, not built correctly, and there is not much hope for the immediate future. This town is one of the best sports cities in N America. Give me a break. Well said Sid. Fans are not the problem.
As a fan who remembers and watched them win the last cup way too many years ago ,
these players making $10 11 12 Million dollars a year should not need the crowd to motivate them . There is a mysterious losing culture in that organization that boggles most fans minds . Many newer franchises have won cups and really isn't that what it is all about at the end of the day .. The average real fan can't afford to go to games because of the crazy tickets prices .. Having said that they keep filling the building year after year with hope they will win at least more then one playoff series .Year after year that doesn't happen and I think this is what frustrates people .. I hope this year is different believe me !!!!
Sounds like it will be different either way from the rumblings of the new MLSE CEO. If leafs don't make it past the SECOND round, Keefe and Shani are gone. So at least there will be changes regardless and people are going to start being held (somewhat )accountable
rich people dont cheer
hahaha!...true!
I thought your free health care would leave more disposable income for the only pastime you have? What happened?
😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣 Leafs cant get it done, so ya'll pointing the fingers to the FANS??!?!?!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Yes, blame the fans who paid hundreds of dollars to watch 40 million on forwards unable to score.
I cheer my lungs out for the leafs ! I also scream for Bill Gates and Warren Buffet . I'm crazy about rich people !
O for 5 on the pp will do wonders. Marner should go sit in the press box.
Completely agree. He is the ghost that haunts the Leafs in the playoffs. He needs to show up now.
Stadium is full of Business people that can afford the seats. Let the fans in that are outside (sell one game for $100) So real true fans can go!
Us leaf fans are very reluctant to show enthusiasm and excitement because it’s blown up in our faces to often. It’s a real thing
The fans were so hyped and excited last night it’s not right to blame the fans when the leafs are the ones who fell short. I would leave too after Boston scored that 4th goal
Does anyone realize you can ask the fans to bring the noise and say cheer louder and it doesn't mean you think that is why they lost? It's only a helpful thing to cheer loud, nobody in their right mind thinks it will truly effect the game in full..it's just showing support, helping build that momentum...causing confusion for the Bruins to hear roaring.
@@5IveNDlme the leafs fans were really loud during the first two periods i could hear them through the tv then the game went downhill and they got disheartened and stopped cheering loudly, can’t blame em I wish the leafs gave them something to cheer for
Crowd seemed fine to me, and I’m not even a leafs fan. Leafs media just has 48 hours to find weird stuff to talk about…Sid absolutely nailed it.
They seemed loud and proud right?? LIke cmon media, that was one hell of a rocking building...they should play just the same with crickets chirping regardless...right on the nail Sid...way to be!!!
Let me guess, you were sitting in the 'corporate' section.
Anything to deflect from the real issue: the Core once again being garbage in playoffs.
@@kermitfrog593 yep that’s fair. Can’t deny that at all.
Btw, Sid nails it at 4:30-5:07.
He is highlighting that fans are bringing decades of pain and nervousness to the building. He is right, and unfortunately thats what it feels like in there. A nervous quiet car dealership. Is that their right? Sure. Does it suck to be there? Yes. Suck to play there? Probably.
@@danweston6109 Exactly. It’s only natural, that the culture of defeatism within the team and organization, seeps into the fanbase as well.
TICKET PRICES! Real fans can’t afford to attend games
The fans are not the ones being paid millions of dollars to perform . If the players want the crowd to be excited and have a high energy output ,they have to give the crowd something to be excited for.
The Leafs fans who pour over the border to go to Sabres V Leafs in Buffalo (for way cheaper btw) are WAAAAYYYY louder than the fans at Leafs home games, inside the arena anyways. 👍👍
Sid does keep it friggin real
Get rid of the corporations for the playoffs and you’ll have a much better atmosphere at the playoff games because look at Winnipeg
Winnipeg can't sell out in the regular season.
The crowd was fine until that Marchand goal in under 30 seconds after the Leafs tied it. The Leafs once again showed their 2013 lack of killer instinct and let down ways all over again and the fans are sick of it.
After living in Winnipeg and watching many games in the rink, I was in TO and the jets were playing the TML. I went to the game well actually a couple of games and was blown away by the crowd, I bought tickets off the street and sat with a lot of suits around me. They were so quiet it was annoying. When some one did get loud, no BS, it was to berate a Leaf for some bad play or missed play or penalty. me and my friend actually talked about, no wonder they never win, too many people have tickets as a status symbol and are not die hard fans. Go Figure.
Winnipeg does't even sell out. No one cares about a meaningless mid-season game against the Jets. The building was out of control loud in Game 3 until Marchand scored. Sick of this Winnipeg narrative because they wear white.
The Leafs have long catered to the corporate crowd, the demure stands last night shouldn't come as a surprise. If you're privileged enough to attend a leafs game, let alone a Leafs playoff game, chances are exuberance isn't your forte. It's been said for years that only a fraction of Leafs tickets are available to the public, most is tied up in season tickets for fortune 500 companies and their ilk. A crowd of suits will never be as loud as Boston, Florida or Tampa fans because their die-hard fans can get reasonably priced and reasonably available tickets. The vast majority of die-hard Leafs fans accepted the fact they will never have the financial means to attend a Leafs game. In fact, everyone I know who's been to a Leafs game doesn't care about the Leafs or hockey or sports in general and the tickets were always gifted to them by some law firm/investment firm as an enticement/bribe/perk. I'm a middle-aged life-long Leafs fan that couldn't fathom watching in person. Those who watch at home and those in the stands are of two different worlds. I even caught myself thinking last night 'Leafs crowd is so old and white it doesn't look like Toronto'.
@@Julia_Hammels apologies if you think it's racist, I couldn't help but notice the skewed demographics. It looked like a Muskoka/Kawartha crowd, not Toronto.
So the crowd is to blame for their loss? The team lacked the ability to motivate themselves? What a defeatist mentality. Smh.
Omg stop blaming the fans 0-5 pp 0-6 on home ice last 6 is pathetic, can't score more than two regularly last 2 series wether on the road or at home, this team sucks period that's not on the crowd that's on management, coaching and ownership build a Fing winner, Sid is right here period 1959, 1967, 20 years yeah it's the fans...f off.
Habs have losing season,...but the fans tear down the house with support❤
💯 true the loudest fans don’t have enough money to attend the games
Maybe they should play their home games in Buffalo. More affordable prices and when Matthews scored his 60th goal there this season, it felt like a home game. Some even argued at the time that it was better he got 60 in Buffalo because the crowd at home wouldn't have popped as crazy as they did. So what's the difference? The leaf fans who made the trip to Buffalo are more loyal/committed? Or is it that we pay through the ear for tickets in Toronto that anything less then excellent play from the team makes it feel like it was a huge waste of money/time. Whatever the case is, this fan base needs a reason to cheer proactively and history hasn't helped in that regard.
I was there at the game last night... it was not the crowds fault the boys didn't play to their full potential. There was plenty of Go Leafs Go chants and lots of noise. The boys just let the Bruins and the refs get in their heads and lost any momentum they had shortly after gaining it. The PP going 0 for 5 and taking bad penalties at the wrong time is what did them in.
Leafs just need to play the entire 60 minutes like they're down a goal. They have the skill and the will, it's all mental
Okay Sid has a point…although most fans know this team has been struggling since 1967. However, to blame the fans for the team’s loss is inexcusable. For as long as fans can remember this team has been taking fans on this chaotic rollercoaster ride every season. As much as we rant on them after getting eliminated year after year…it’s an ironic truth that we do have a loyalty to our home team because they represent our city.
When you have guys being paid $11 million a year and run by a league that gouges their loyal fan base with ridiculous ticket prices and questionable management you can understand the frustration. At the end of the day it’s the players that need to take accountability for their wins or losses. Yes, fans pay to see these guys play even if the energy dies down during the night it shouldn’t stop them from doing the job they’re paid to do…play the game.
The fault lies not in the Leafs players but in the Leafs' fans...?
Rare W for Sid. He's speaking facts
People not on the ice are responsible for millionaires playing poorly on the ice? Huh?
Agree with Sid. That said, millionaires in expensive seats could show some engagement.
@asharpbflat7179 My day is complete that I now know you agree with Sid. Thank you for telling me.
@@chrisministerofsmartarsery3322 Well I thought you and Sid had the same point. So what's your problem now?
@asharpbflat7179 LOL. Don't have a problem? Pretty sure I thanked you for your input?
@@chrisministerofsmartarsery3322 thought you thanked me sarcastically, so why? but my native language is german so maybe I just don't understand something.
Shame on all of us for not being able to afford tickets 😂
I remember back in the 70's and 80's when opposing players where pooping in their hockey pants when ever they had to play a game at the Boston Garden, Philadelphia Spectrum and Chicago Stadium just because of the crowd in those buildings.
Brett Hull when playing with the St.Louis Blues said it best when ever they were playing against the Blackhawks at Chicago Stadium : "My teammates were standing on the ice for the National Anthem and they were shaking in their boots".
True! I used to love watching the Flyers and my all-time favourite Bobby Clarke playing in the Spectrum. Those 'Broad Street Bullies' were amazing to watch. Playoff hockey was insane.
The ‘real’ fans can’t afford tickets to be in the building. Your energy is in the restaurant watch parties.
Watch a Winnipeg game and you’ll see what a home crowd is suppose to look like. It is NOT what we get in Toronto.
Leaf fans aren't at the game. A playoff game ticket is $2k. An obstructed view ticket is $400. Leaf fans aren't buying those. This is on MLSE for the lack of cheering
The fans? What about the three ghosts, one who’s injured, who combined make over $30M so there’s little cap available and the team’s left with a shoddy defense and average goaltending?
Exactly. Leafs would win without fans, just like 2020 and 2021.
How is this team still a thing? Their own fans hate them and they hate their fans. Oh, wait, this is a toxic codependent relationship built on a foundation of mutual hate and ever-fading hope.
Blaming leaf fans? Finally we hit the bottom of the barrel for leaf losses. Fans can't score.
Don’t allow a goal seconds after you tie it.
The visiting teams can easily read it and take advantage of it .
Was the crowd pro active for them in boston gm2
I thought the crowd was not that bad but then again...I wasn't there, on TV it didn't seem not so bad. I guess if you need excuses...
The crowd was awful last night. I did hear the faraway chants of GO LEAFS GO on television from the 300 section and they rocked!
@@B.Jewels Yes, you certainly do.
i didn't think they were that bad either but i guess some like to exaggerate
I’m always disappointed in Leafs crowds. That’s what happens when ticket prices are too expensive for the working class, who are the actual fans. It’s most of the time suits. I always laugh at the people that are at the bar, not watching the game, buying $15 drinks. It’s a shame that someone can’t take their family there. No it’s not the reason they lost but it’s a problem and always has been. The raptors crowd is leaps and bounds more energetic.
maybe lower the price of beer
57 years of playoff failure does not deserve a proactive crowd. By now, it's darn lucky anyone buys a ticket, let alone, cheers.
hard to get all hyped up when your team has lost the series before it starts
Now we're blaming the fans??? Isn't it enough that the fans fork over huge money, just to go to the game? The product is not nearly good enough and it's discouraging to continue watching the Leafs fail, year after year after year with little accountability. Put a better product on the ice and the fans will respond, accordingly.
I can't believe I am going to defend Maple Leafs fans but I am. Listening to Joe Bowen on the broadcast complaining about how quiet Leafs fans are is not fair to them. Earlier in the broadcast they read the stat that The Leafs are 9-17 at home during the playoffs during this era. Now 9-18. Last season they were 1-5 at home. No wonder the fans are quiet. They are scared to death!
I'm sorry but it's the playoffs if you play for that team and you're one the guys getting the 10+ million dollars you shouldn't need the crowd to motivate you regardless of the situtation you're on. Even if the loudness of the crowd was a factor, it is way down on the list of reasons the Leafs lose.
1: Powerplay: It sucks, they can't score on it.
2:Penalty Kill: It sucks, they can't stop the other team from scoring when on it.
3: Goaltending: Average at best. Sammy, you never know what you're gonna get from him shot to shot, yet alone game to game.
4: Top 4: Sometimes they show up, other times they're completely invisible.
5: Coaching: Keefe gets out coached a lot and puts stupid lines out at the wrong times.
Right there, there's 5 reasons before you even start to get to how loud the fans are.
Here’s a thought, why don’t the multi-millionaire players who want loud fans pay for young leaf fans to come watch the games and sit at ice level.
How the hell can anybody with a straight face say the entire crowd is the problem?
Leafs have no "big moment" players. Marchand is a "big moment" player, I mean his game winner was a work of art. What, did he have 4 points? Who would you rather have as a captain, Marchand or Tavares? Love him or hate him, Marchand is the kind of player the Leafs lack. We have "Marshmallow" Mitch. Plus, no clutch goaltending, I mean Samsonov let in a softy at a key moment. The Leafs PP and PK are ice cold. What more needs to be said?
Give them something to cheer for. The crown was electric during that one play when Benoit and Reaves landed those big hits back to back... but when you go 0/5 on your power plays and give up the gwg seconds after you just tied the game up late in the 3rd... yea that’s just going to suck the life out of the fans.
Leaf Fans are still in therapy for their Leaf Playoff PTSD. So please be silent when it comes to Leaf fans at home games.
Not Matthews but Marchand was the super star in game #3
Matthews only generates between 33% to 50% assists of the current top NHL assist leaders. That is a significant weakness of the Leafs first line centre. 😀
I’m just wondering how we got from those quotes of Leafs players saying, “You lose the ability to think in TD garden,” to Sid sitting here saying, “Home ice advantage doesn’t exist,” within less than a week lmao. Also, cmon sid, you are like the overacting strawman manufacturing king, so don’t try to act like you’re one of the good guys in Leafs media🤣
Leafs are in trouble with this chaotic Boston team
Quantum Sports, the play on the field is affected by the observer?
@@Julia_HammelsHome ice advantage means nothing statistically speaking.
Sid is awesome! preach brother!
the players and coaches know they gotta be better and hopefully we'll get a little luckier on the bounces.
Go Leafs Goooooooooo!
Can't wait for Sid's take Monday after Game 4.
Everyone relax. Lots of playoffs ahead. Keep the ship steady and focus on the real prize. We are all in the same boat.
Sid was 1000% spot on . That's exactly what's wrong with the team
It’s the team and organizations job to give us something to be cheering for. Instead they’ve given us anxiety over the past 3 or 4 decades.
I’m no longer comfortable to smack talk my friends about games until they’re over because you never know even if the Leafs are up 4-1 with 5 mins left.
People talking sports who look like they've never played any sports in their entire lives.
stop it - don't blame the crowd, blame the players
It's not the crowd that Toronto lost the game It's their power play that's not scoring you have to score on your power plays
the nerve to blame the most loyal fan base is reprehensible. The core four are paid millions to perform and they can't get past the first round.
I'm betting this is Joe Bowens final year on planet earth. Win for the big guy
Too many suits in the lower bowl. It’s the extremely sad reality. They didn’t lose because of the crowd that’s for sure. But we def don’t have a home crowd advantage like almost every other team in the league. Buffalo and Ottawa are louder for leaf games. Which is so sad.
If you’re not going to cheer don’t go. How bout that Sid?
Yeah, try mandating paying customers to cheer. That's now it works. The only one who shouldn't have to do any thing is the one who paid money to rent a seat for a few hours. Everyone else in that building should be grateful that those seats were paid for.
Most lower bowl ticket holders didn't even pay for their tickets - their job did. Lower bowl is only fair weather fans, die hards are the ones outside the arena standing in the cold without food, drinks, and bathrooms.
@@victoria3241 Lol right? look at other commments, ppl are like I paid for it, can do whatever I like..of course you can! I could buy a Ferrari and not drive it...but I would represent someone stupid if I did that...IDK
@@5IveNDlmeLol….you’re making me think of the “Ferrari” in Ferris Buellers day off…. Cameron says of his father …..”He never drives it, he only cleans it with a diaper ‼️”
@@trainfire2008 hahahahahaba
I think it goes both ways. The players can inspire a crowd with their play, and vice versa. But I agree that having to be extremely wealthy to be there is not a good thing for the atmosphere.
I think it's a nervous crowd, and with good reason. The team hasn't exactly done much to give the home fans much confidence. If the Leafs ever get a 2 or 3 goal lead, they'd likely be less nervous and be louder
People disgust me, dudes are making millions, and millions of dollars to blame the crowd and refs? Lol
Sid hit the nail right on the head with this one!
Sid is great, but his co-hosts can be difficult to listen to.
It's all about the team itself. Give the fans something to get excited about.
Leafs arena has always been quiet one of the worst in the league because most actual fans can't afford tickets. It's always been like this stop pretending it's not. It's filled with season ticket holders who don't really care and give there tickets away to business people or whoever completely killing the vibes of the arena. Remember the recent buffalo game? We had louder fans in Buffalo and Detroit then at home. Something has to change. Sid is so used to a quiet building that he thinks that was actually loud.
This guy spells Bonesie as Bonsie. He ain't too sharp, or else he does Bonsai to relax
Brilliant analysis 😐 This finally explains why the Leafs have never won a home game in the playoffs and never lost a road game
Few in the crowd cheered on Marchand, he put two in and helped on another!! When when 20+ players making between $1M and $10M per year the crowd showing to cheer should not be a factor on their performance.
I've watched every game. Almost everytime the crowd cheers the Leafs get scored on. Especially when the crowd celebrates a Leaf goal. The team cant play under loud circumstances. The crowd doesnt want to mess them up anymore than they already are.
Yes! MLSE traded off platinum seat ghosts for lots of money. Quietest and easiest barn to play in. Score early, take the crowd out and cruise to a Win. That's why I was glad Toronto didn't get home ice advantage.
When your corporate focus is not on those who want to go to games but is instead on those who can afford to go to games you get what you get! Such franchises do not win championships.
Sid is a prize possession to Leafs Nation and media as a whole, we need to worship this man.
Why aren't we talking about Matthews silencing the crowd in Boston on Monday?
Sid, Sid, Sid, TML have a full rink because they have "Celebrity" players, their identity is the 69 goal man. The handsome Swede, the venerable home town Captain, and the lovable Marner. They have not gone to great lengths to build a winning team, just the appearance of one. A cast of players earning near minimum wage. You don't let Hyman and Kadri, go, or pass up Jakob Chychrun if winning is your aim, passing up players for the future and constantly signing reclamation projects. I'll say it again, Marner and Nylander, could not care less about the TML, they get 10M win or lose.
Only the high middle class and rich can afford to go! Alot of money for them to have a good time. Average cost for two 500!!
Tell them Sid. Your 1000% right.
Leaf tickets, for the most part, have been corporately owned and for who attend for business and status. The real fans are the ones standing in the cold in Leaf Square, or screaming in their living rooms. You're not going to get "proactive" cheering from those who can AFFORD to attend the games...
As a mature human being, you hold yourself accountable first before even thinking about pointing fingers to others. Next game Leafs loss, they expect us the clean the toilet bowls too.
This is not the first time our fans have been lack lustre. Let’s get some real fans in the gold and reds. The crowd can help pick a team up when they need it. When someone lays a big hit they hope they are getting the crowd into it. I’ve seen louder leaf fans at a Hab game in Montreal or even a sabre game in buffalo
The home record in the playoffs is brutal. It's all about special teams the PP and Pk were terrible. The crowd was quiet compared to Winnipeg fans!!!
Need I remind anyone of the bubble? Leafs knocked out by Montreal despite being massive favourites, NO FANS. Also, I completely agree with Devo. Too many corporate business men in that barn who don’t know icing from offside while most of the REAL fans watch from home unfortunately