My goat Thrak the Legend. Fire proof, beast proof, curse proof with zero feats and vulnerabilities. He had Great Strength and Thick Skinned, and was 10-0 in the pit fights.
Idk, i got the Enchanted from the Elatriel Dlc and put him in the online fight pits, he has one over 200 fights in a row, hes retired now and became overlord, hes unstoppable lmao
It was Shadow of War, and I don't remember his name, but I found an orc who was terrified of Morgai flies, so for kicks I dropped a nest on his head and laughed while he ran away. He proceeded to come back as "of the flies" with practically no weaknesses and kill me two times in succession, level up to 70 something and get promoted to overlord of the keep I was trying to take down. Karma's a bitch, I guess.
Stories like these are what makes Nemesis system so great. It also has almost infinite replay value too, either just gaming the Nemesis system on purpose or jacking up the difficulty setting to let it happen naturally and see what happens to the orc captains when they best you many times in a row.
Dude I still replay this game this one orc had a humiliatior tag and we both died to each other twice but he killed me last then Everytime I was in his region doing a quest he ambushed me humiliated me and it gave me the kind of PTSD whenever I saw him ambush me I'd just run away. Even in the final fight I ran to the safety of the big bad lml
@@chartypeplays2396 This gave me an idea.. While popular culture references might not thematically fit these games very well, I think it would have been enormously funny to see such references as you described in there. Maybe some named orcs for which some events would trigger hard coded progression, Such as "Orcman of the flies" getting a friend mane "Zuka the Butler" or something like that, after the fear based promotion.
I always killed every single orc that could speak, only leaving those alive that only grunt and scream. It got pretty hilarious at one point, because not a single one of the Leaders was now talking anymore, just screaming at each other.😂
@@UsernameNotTaken2 This is not how patents work. You're allowed to make your own "nemesis" system in your own way. What a patent protects is people creating an exact copy of the systems and how they work. The concept of a nemesis system isn't and can't be patented.
One of my all time fave SOW moments was when I was leading my orc horde against a tough castle defense, and as I went through the carnage I saw my orc strong boy, who was a bloody wimp and scared of insects. As the Boyz are fighting for my glory, I see him screaming for his life running down an alley and away from the action. He disappears. I laugh and remark how it's totally in character for that to happen. I make my way to the grand amphitheatre of the orcs, and as I'm about to die, WHO OTHER THAN MY SCAREDY PANTS COMES TO MY AID (voiced by a goofball with some renown) he stops my death save by kicking a lit bomb down the bastard's throat! Tells me "look who saved ya!" And then runs off screaming again as I shoot a hanging hive nearby. Good times.
The nemesis system is porbably one of the most unique things a videogame has introduced. Brogg's journey was exhilarating and really did feel like an actual story inside a story. Thank you for this video, have a sub
@@Kryxx07 It doesn't naturally create stories though. The whole system is really dependent on the player being terrible at the game. Once you get good enough at the game, you never die to an orc captain again unless you do it intentionally. And if you don't die to an orc captain at least once before killing them, then there is a very low chance they'll "cheat death" and come back. That means you play the whole game without seeing any memorable orcs unless you make a deliberate effort to die to them.
@@Commodore22345 Yup. I said that same thing in a different comment. A big flaw of the system is that it requires the player to die, to fully engage with it. I was on the QA test team and we always wanted more difficulty settings or more ways the game would force the system to engage the player. Difficulty is one of the most difficult problems in game design because your player base will have such varied skill sets.
@@Kryxx07 The funny thing is they added difficulty settings for Shadow of War and it didn't really help because of other changes they made in other areas like the abilities and gear. By expanding those, they made it so players could easily min/max Talion and turn him into an unkillable god, regardless of difficulty.
I wish the nemesis system wasn’t trade marked because imagine more games with this. Like imagine a game like Ghost recon wildlands but when killed by a Narco they can become a Buchon. So many missed opportunities in game because of greed. (Even tho these games were amazing)
if you crossed this with the enemy counter system in MGSV, and a memorable IP with lots of namable characters (Say gi joe vs cobra?) you'd have a masterpiece.
Would have been perfect for Watch Dogs Legion where they already had this vast system for NPCs, would have been great to have some grudge enemies showing up to disrupt your plans or hack the hacker.
That isn't how it works, I think. There's specific rules governing games exactly because of that potential issue and I'm pretty sure Nemesis System-like things can be implemented into other games without violating anything. If that weren't the case, the video game industry would've probably died right off the bat because people would be calling foul on games being similar at all.
I had an orc named Horza who was the first guy I ever fought. He killed me about four times before I finally learned the game enough to kill him. Then he came back, his skin bright white and a rag around his throat. I killed him again, but.... He came back again. I don't even remember his title because eventually the game took his title away. I killed the orc 21 times, and each time he came back more and more incomprehensible. His power got up to 29, but.no orcs followed him. In fact, orcs attacked him on sight. He was a scarred mess of bandages and stitches holding his body together to the point where he stopped talking, I don't even know that he could anymore. He hunted me down relentlessly - I remember infiltrating an execution where one captain had three others that he was executing. I was already overwhelmed fighting them, but then Horza ran in from off screen and made everything so much worse. I fought that orc so many times that I never forgot him, and that was my favorite experience in this game.
So it was my first day of playing the game and I was not fully used to the controls so eventually I got killed by this random orc named Mormag of the Black Guards. He was tall and tough and became my number one enemy. Evertime I tried to do a mission he would always come on in and on of two things would always happen I would either kill him only for him to come back a few hours later or he would kill me and only get stronger. But eventually I unlocked the ability to dominate captains, so after roughly 20 minutes of fighting I was able to dominate him. And he was good... really good. He practically one tapped anybody we came up against. But then tradegdy struck. We had just killed this random captain and Mormag was injured to the point where I could one tap him. So I misclicked and MURDERED him. But this ain't the end the end of the story. It was about a day later I was cutting through some Ghouls, WHEN THE BASTARD CAME BACK. But there was an issue he was on the enemy side now because of my 'Betrayal' he fought me. And he killed me. So I tracked him down and I found him executing a random captain we fought for roughly 10 minutes until I finally cut him down and was about to rerecruit him. ONLY FOR THE DESCION TO BE BLOCKED. I was forced to kill him. And that was the last time I played Shadow of Mordor for two years because around this time Shadow of War came out. I practicaly forgot about Shadow of Mordor until in 2019 i cam back to it and guess what happend seconds after i went out and about in mordor...................HE CAME BACK AND HE MURDERED ME ATLEAST SEVEN TIMES JUST LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. But then one night I saw a mission it was an excution and Mormag was there excuting a guy name Ghorag the Mauler. Went down and enturupted it and I started fighting Mormag it was tough but i got him pretty low. But then coming from behind was Ghorag and he with his mace MURDERED MORMAG TO DEATH. at first i was not woried but after two days of him not returning I was woried. So i looked in the code and said next to Mormag's name IT SAID THAT HE WAS PERMANANTLY DESCEASED. I TRIED TO FIX THE CODE TO SAVE HIM BUT I ONLY MESSED UP THE GAME FURTHER. The game kept on crashing when i tried to start it up i knew the only way to play the game again i need to reinistal the game practiticaly making Mormag diseaper forever. And to this day i ahve never done that. It still remains at the bottom of my steam list never to be played again until the King of Mordor comes back...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................I am going to try my hand at fixing th code and resurect the king but we shall see if that works..... UPDATE I ACTUALY DID YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH UPDATE 2 HE KILLED ME ONE SHOT UPDATE 3 THIS IS GLOUROIUS UPDATE 4 I HAVE NEVER HAD SO MUCH FUN FIGHTING AN NPC IN A VIDEO GAME UPDATE 5 ANY TIPS ON HOW TO RERERECRIUTED HIM I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A WAY IF A SHAME HIM A LOT
I had a Nemesis in SoM that I remember practically hand crafting into a powerful enemy, I fought him at the end of the game, killing him, but when I booted up the Nemesis Forge there he was, missing an Eye. He followed me into SoW and was an absolute terror, I had created an orc that was too powerful and I only beat him barely. Then he decided he wasn't dead, and terrorized me in Minas Ithil, and actually followed me into Cirith Ungol (if I remember right). Either way, I didn't see much of him until I returned after getting the ring back, and he took over the Fortress, meaning I couldn't avoid him. I broke down the walls, killed his Orcs, but I couldn't bring him down, it was only through a Follower who saved me from a killing blow that took down Malmug Wrath-Breeder.
Wait, he literally followed you into the newer game (as in, you imported a save, which I didn't think you could do) or was it just another orc who coincidentally had the same name?
@@PapagenoX09 Yeah, before they shut down the feature you could go into Shadow of Mordor and boot up a new game mode called the Nemesis Forge, which imported all the Orcs in your save into a sandbox, and then from there you can interact with Orcs as normal but you could essentially choose two Orcs, one Ally and one Nemesis who would be sent into Shadow of War as a special enemy and ally respectively.
Cool, I had no idea of that. I didn't buy Shadow of War on launch but waited till the loot boxes and such were stripped out a few months later (bought it after the first Steam free weekend).
damn, it sucks i found these games too easy honestly i would've loved to have terrifying interactions like this, orcs who when they show their face your stomach just drops, they really should've made them just more and more and more busted, but unfortunately the games built around a sort of rock paper scissors mechanic where if they're resistant to this, use this, if they're resistant to that use this, sorta deal, so eventually if they did make them too busted it'd just feel impossible and frustrating until you found out what consistently damages them, sorta boils down to assessing each of your forms of damage and running down the list, maybe if they worked in more busted move sets and abilities for the orc's who knows
@@fobo3361 Gravewalker difficulty in SoW is pretty challenging at least in the early game, I'm sure if you have busted gear it's not a challenge but before then and before you have your own captains it can be pretty rough. Obviously at max level when you have good gear it's not challenging but they do at least put up a fight.
He died by arrow. No idea who shot it but I'm at 10:38 he's dying just off the screen but there's an Arrow that's above him traveling through where his bit box was when the death animation was triggered.
It was my brothers first game, and it was a archer named Hura the Tiny. He killed him before they even beat the slavers mission, the first mission in the game. He lasted until the very end of the game. If my brother died and he was even in the area, he got XP, he died, he came back. He came back at the end, when you attack the towers base. He didn't last much longer.
I still remember Azgrom the Elder. A small and tough bastard that kept coming back from the dead. Killed him once more just before going off to fight the final boss. Then he shows up once again when I'm storming Minas Morgal in Shadow of War, where I finally beheaded him.
The nemesis system is honestly amazing, cannot explain the frustration of losing to the same orc over and over again, each time getting these crazy dice rolls of some of the most powerful traits in the game, only to finally, defeat them, turn them and be betrayed by them, honestly hours of gameplay out of just one rivalry that ended up frustrating me so much I'd just run as fast as I could to get away from them rather than fight, as it was just suicide trying, even though I thought I was rather good at the combat system by that point
I remember this one orc that had all resistances, was enraged by everything and had poisonous weapon, he killed me like 3 times before i finally killed him after like a 25 minute fight, after which he came back to life. What an amazing game
I've never played this game in my life but I'm so glad this channel is active again. I shall now base all my knowledge of Shadow of Morder on this video
You could say that Kakas career got repeatably flushed down the toilet... but he just kept resurfacing. Great video, loved the humor and the edits. Keep up the good work!
I've been watching several LotR lore videos recently, so when I saw the thumbnail, before reading the title, I thought this was a video about what happens to the orcs after Sauron's defeat.
great video one nitpick: Lûgdash the Venomous wasn't dumb at all. He's called Lûgdash the Venomous, not Lûgdash the Poisonous. He was totally safe licking his blade since venom is meant to be injected into the bloodstream as opposed to poison, which is dangerous when ingested.
If you look closely, approximately 12 frames after the camera begins to zoom in for the interaction (or 4 frames before Lamlug's death), you can see a berserker's thrown axe fly through the ground upon which Lamlug is kneeling. I believe this to be the cause of death.
My most dangerous was this one guy I cut in half near the start of the game. Came back as The Machine and was immune to vaulting,executions, bashes, and ranged. Had a cursed weapon that absolutely demolished me every time I fought him. Hunted me in every region. Eventually ends up killing me while I'm mid battle with other orcs, and becomes the overlord of the region and gatekept me for a week straight
Gursha Hot Tongs was my first legendary captain.He killed me 20+times when I was still a freshly minted gravewalker.He was the orc that taught me the harsh reality of mordor.I just wish I could fight him again
I just returned to SoM again, discovered that if you die, new uruks are created at a lower level. In the Act 1 area I was getting steady Lvl 8-10 uruks until I died once, then started seeing Lvl 4-7. When I saw you were getting new uruks starting at Lvl 1, I was like... ah, that's why... Hilarious video though. As many times as I've played SoM and as many times as I've had unique nemesis uruks, this vid made it much more memorable.
At the end of SoM I put a goofy bard uruk in charge. Thought it would be a funny sendoff. Little did I know he'd follow me into SoW, become glitches with 7 legendary attributes, and end up going on a 50+ undefeated streak in arena.
I hope you upload more often, i been here since your first video and as soon as I see your videos pop up I immediately pick them, they are so funny and well done.
I still have wonderful memories of Zuun the thunderer, with his own explosive crossbow, combat master, and could bitch slap me with the crossbow for 2/3 my health.
My toughest nemesis so far (I haven’t made it very far) was folgum. He killed me at least 30 times but not without help, he had two captains with him (can’t remember their names but they’re dead now). Folgum was the only war chief that’s taken more than a few tries for me to kill so far so I started to get frustrated. Eventually I was able to set it up just right where the captains were busy with caragors and Morgai flies but folgum was still interested in killing me. I lured him away from every one else and sliced his head off. It was so satisfying
Thrak the merciless. some random orc, that got me in a lucky shot the first time became the bane of my first game. every though fight, he would show up and make harder. when i least exspected it, and was toying with random orc - thrak would come out of a bush with a folded chair and put me in the ground. I decided to end him. push him to fight one of my guys, and then ambush him. worked like a charm. to missions later he comes back with a new arm and a vandetta. now immune melee, stealth and archery - afraid of caragors. He really made my first playthrough a trip
I had one ork that was practically invincible as he was immune to stealth ranged melee and fire (although I’m not sure about poison I’d have to check) and his only weakness was his fear of morgi flies
My most memorable orc was from Shadow of War. In the game's opening region I ran into a spear-tossing orc early and died to him. A bit of intel gathering afterward to plot vengeance revealed that he was weak to fire, which made short work of him in the re-match. A while later he returns, burn-scarred but still afraid of fire, and is killed AGAIN by fire. This warped him into an insane orc whose biggest fear and weakness became his strength. When he returned again he had become the Flame-tongue, speaking of a fire goddess and his devoted worship to her, and he became the biggest thorn in my side throughout the rest of my time in that area (three fights, he killed me in two and I got him in one). At the end of my time in that opening act he appears one more time for a final duel and it took me ten minutes to fight through his horde AND fight off another orc and his gang that crashed our battle but in the end the Flame-Tongue fell, chopped in half and the first of many, many memorable rivals in SoW. He dropped a legendary sword that bore his title and it's been in my inventory ever since, and was one of my most heavily used flame weapons. This is about when I fell in love with the Nemesis mechanic. There's nothing else like it in modern gaming.
I have no idea who you are, but the algorithm suggested this. Watched it, loved it, subscribed! I’m glad that your channel is active again, your style is excellent You should do a Pokémon Nuzlocke run, the emergent gameplay would be perfect for you
We NEED a 1 Hour Special of this Series idk why but it’s so entertaining seeing captains kill each other, beefing , recruiting , killing talion and all the stuff Orcs do 😂
My favorite Uruk ever was Prak The Elder, he was the first Uruk to kill me and his catchprhase was to practically shriek " YOUNG MAN" Across the room for all to hear when he'd spotted me , he would murder me two more itmes before I'd finally get the upper hand . I slit his throat, shot out his eye , and killed him in an explosion only for him to come back again and again . I thought i'd killed him in the explosion yet one day while sneaking around a base I heard a loud shriek. YOUNG MAN from far behind me, Prak at this point was faceless from the burns he'd received and had a bad hastily thrown over the majority of what remained of his face. I ran as he caught me at a terrible time and I decided to finally kill him one last time and plotted. I would hunt Prak and we'd have an epic sword fight, when I finally made him yield and drop to his knees the eyes peering through the bag were big and he expressed a solemn " No Like this" before Talion shoved a sword through his face. Honestly one of my favorite videogame enemies ever.
My first playthrough I had one captain who refused to die. I swear I killed him at least 13 times, multiple of those being decapitations. He was more stitches and bandages than orc by the end, not to mention immune to almost all types of attack
I remember an uruk that was originally something like the "serpent" he had several title changes from me killing him, eventually I shamed him into oblivion so hard he became the shameless, and at this point we had killed each other a handful of times, he was basically covered head to toe in armor, pretty much no weaknesses, ended up recruiting him before the final mission, we had to have like 20 hours worth of fights at that point.
Azdush the stout I believe, I expected him to be a weak little detour as I went to do more important things, but then I saw his traits. He was immune to almost every way I could kill him, and could instantly kill beasts if he so pleased. So he just ruled until beat the game and dedicated 5 minutes to stun locking him, bashing his head into a wall until he finally died.
I also had an orc that would be killed by me or other orcs, even being decapitated, and he would still come back. I got him as one of my captains and he betrayed me, so I would kill him, he would come back, then I would kill him again and he would come back again...
I had an orc name Dugz the drooler.He is. Basic weapon orc with the drunk orc personality but this orc is literally unkillable.I sent like 4 enemy orcs at him once in shadow of war and he was chillin'
I once witnessed true Horror in the Form of one hooded Orc who just kept on adapting and becoming immune to almost everything, so he was impossible to beat in direct combat, with him evading almost every hit, countering frontal attacks, said immunity to Missiles, Execution and elven Light/Fist or how the stun move was called. He killed me more times than i can remember, showing up in fights with other captains and whatnot, ruining everything, so when i was finally able to finish him for good with one single stealth attack, the one thing he wasn't immune to, it was incredibly satisfying. (Not that i didn't tried this before, but every other attempt failed.) It's a wonder that he didn't even come back from the grave after all the trouble he gave me, but needless to say, guess who was waiting for me at the Black Gate?
I recall an epic Beastmaster Olog that had a party with him. When he called in a Graug (which epic beastmasters are wont to do) his party ended up summoning MANY more at the same time! I BADLY wanted him to by my bodyguard after that, but he ended dying in an offscreen duel
The offscreen duels are something I don't like especially when someone you really liked or had some kind of relationship with dies suddenly. You don't even get to see how they died you're just told they don't exist anymore.
Ain't nothing on my nemesis. That man was a monster I just avoided fighting. He got so sick of fighting me he just didn't show up when called by the black hand.
I had this one berserker orc who must have killed me a dozen times. He would just show up everywhere. Iirc he was immune to stealth and ranged, and was a combat master or something so would block attacks and counter and i couldnt jump over him. After killing me so much, i finally captured him by, iirc, some caragor and fire shenanigans, and he became my best champion. Just one shot everyone.
I had an orc called Olrok the stinger an archer who had greatly outlived his friend Luga the large he back from the dead once but then I ended the legend of Olrok the stinger permanently never to be seen again.
Very much enjoyed this. Between testing the game out in this way, and the editing and commentary, was very entertaining, and despite the silliness, oddly immersive. Magic of the nemesis system/effective entertaining chops for you. Highly recommend trying the same with Shadow of War, even better results there I'm sure.
if you wanna see someone put together a really compelling narrative with this system I'd recommend hitting up tearofgrace's shadow of morder series, he built up some of the most legendary and memorable nemesis's ive ever seen and still remember until this day
in Shadow of War, I had an Orc that had probably the strongest weapon i've seen an Orc have. A crossbow that shot wall-penetrating, poison rounds (IIRC, havent played in a while). He showed up during one of the colosseum fights, and on the bridge fight at the end where i managed to turn him onto Talion's side. I'm pretty sure he's still around, working as an overseer with his prized crossbow.
I have 2 favorite moments in these games: 1. An orc got the best of me multiple times and leveled up getting multiple perks, these perks ended being immunities to almost everything. He ended up being immune to executions, freeze, melee attacks, ranged attacks, and flurry finishers. I struggled very hard till I figured out I had to start the flurry combo, but stop mid way not triggering the finishing blow, and repeated this until he finally died. 2. I commanded 1 orc to fight another, then at the duel they got ambushed by a 3rd orc. My captain killed the ambusher, but turned out he was a blood brother of another one of my orcs, and the brother (orc #4) showed up betraying me to avenge him. Then another orc (#5) patrolled into the area joining the chaos. So I called in my bodyguard (orc #6) to help, and he killed one which also had a brother, so brother showed up to avenge him too (orc #7). In the end all 7 wound up dead several of mine included.
Through a series of unfortunate events and countless failures I managed to create an orc who was immune to all forms of attack except from sword swings which he was resistant against. I never managed to kill him and he'd usually turn up as I was close to killing another leader
10:32 Not sure if somebody already answered. but... Execution missions have a hidden timer. You need to save orc within a time limit. Otherwise he will automatically die. I assume you was hanging there for a while (for executor to kill other captured orks before coming to main one). So when you started the fight - time was already up and he.. died...
The first orc captain I killed came back TWELVE TIMES, I went on a bunch of chatting websites like Reddit to figure if he was like a key character or something but I could 't find any mention of him.
Hura solos all of fiction. No one can change my mind.
Prak "Bane" Jaws. You haven't lived in Mordor if you've never heard of THAT freak.
Real
My goat Thrak the Legend. Fire proof, beast proof, curse proof with zero feats and vulnerabilities. He had Great Strength and Thick Skinned, and was 10-0 in the pit fights.
Idk, i got the Enchanted from the Elatriel Dlc and put him in the online fight pits, he has one over 200 fights in a row, hes retired now and became overlord, hes unstoppable lmao
Facts
It was Shadow of War, and I don't remember his name, but I found an orc who was terrified of Morgai flies, so for kicks I dropped a nest on his head and laughed while he ran away. He proceeded to come back as "of the flies" with practically no weaknesses and kill me two times in succession, level up to 70 something and get promoted to overlord of the keep I was trying to take down. Karma's a bitch, I guess.
Stories like these are what makes Nemesis system so great. It also has almost infinite replay value too, either just gaming the Nemesis system on purpose or jacking up the difficulty setting to let it happen naturally and see what happens to the orc captains when they best you many times in a row.
LMFAO HAHAHA
"Flies scare me, I must become what I fear." I think you made orc Batman, haha.
Dude I still replay this game this one orc had a humiliatior tag and we both died to each other twice but he killed me last then Everytime I was in his region doing a quest he ambushed me humiliated me and it gave me the kind of PTSD whenever I saw him ambush me I'd just run away. Even in the final fight I ran to the safety of the big bad lml
@@chartypeplays2396 This gave me an idea.. While popular culture references might not thematically fit these games very well, I think it would have been enormously funny to see such references as you described in there. Maybe some named orcs for which some events would trigger hard coded progression, Such as "Orcman of the flies" getting a friend mane "Zuka the Butler" or something like that, after the fear based promotion.
Turns out watching the orc society is very similar to watching a soap opera except there's more dismemberment
Slightly more. SLIGHTLY.
* cries in orcish *
would make for much better entertainment than what we got now ngl.
And less pregnancies
I always killed every single orc that could speak, only leaving those alive that only grunt and scream. It got pretty hilarious at one point, because not a single one of the Leaders was now talking anymore, just screaming at each other.😂
Love this for them
Yea, i wonder if the hole Orc society did collapse in the background because no one was able to speak with each other. 😂
Haha, that's great.
Im sure this did wonders for battle tactics, pre-war strategy, coordination and especially morale during the war with Gondor!
I love this
If more games featured a Nemesis System, I’d feel less obligated to save scum when thing don’t go my way.
Indeed! I love it that even a random death may have a purpose that changes the game for hours, days and even weeks.
It's patented to Warner, people can't do it until the patent runs out or they'll need to make it noticibly different.
that's because the greedy publishers at warner bros are sitting on the rights
if only the publisher weren't greedy scum, (and if copyright/patent law weren't such a goddamn mess), we totally would have that
@@UsernameNotTaken2 This is not how patents work. You're allowed to make your own "nemesis" system in your own way. What a patent protects is people creating an exact copy of the systems and how they work. The concept of a nemesis system isn't and can't be patented.
One of my all time fave SOW moments was when I was leading my orc horde against a tough castle defense, and as I went through the carnage I saw my orc strong boy, who was a bloody wimp and scared of insects. As the Boyz are fighting for my glory, I see him screaming for his life running down an alley and away from the action. He disappears. I laugh and remark how it's totally in character for that to happen.
I make my way to the grand amphitheatre of the orcs, and as I'm about to die, WHO OTHER THAN MY SCAREDY PANTS COMES TO MY AID (voiced by a goofball with some renown) he stops my death save by kicking a lit bomb down the bastard's throat! Tells me "look who saved ya!" And then runs off screaming again as I shoot a hanging hive nearby. Good times.
This just made my year, god I wish I was there to experience that, that’s so.. I have no words bravo to you and this game
Hura legit did more to further the main questline than the literal main character
*Hura did more to further the main questline than the main character.
@@TheRealNumberSevenyou forgot the asterisk*
@@kingdragonthefirst4686 fixed 😂 thanks buddy
In shadow of war I was taking a fortress with two orcs. One titled the unashamed, and one titled the shamed. They seemed to get on surprisingly well
Sometimes a Chad's gotta help his bros gain some confidence.
Classic dom/sub relationship.
It's their kink really
This is not the head canon I expected
@@la_jefe9105LMAO
The nemesis system is porbably one of the most unique things a videogame has introduced. Brogg's journey was exhilarating and really did feel like an actual story inside a story. Thank you for this video, have a sub
Yeah, the way the system naturally creates these unique, personal stories, through gameplay and death is really cool.
@@funzy101they can’t because they legally can’t unfortunately
@@Kryxx07 It doesn't naturally create stories though. The whole system is really dependent on the player being terrible at the game. Once you get good enough at the game, you never die to an orc captain again unless you do it intentionally. And if you don't die to an orc captain at least once before killing them, then there is a very low chance they'll "cheat death" and come back. That means you play the whole game without seeing any memorable orcs unless you make a deliberate effort to die to them.
@@Commodore22345 Yup. I said that same thing in a different comment. A big flaw of the system is that it requires the player to die, to fully engage with it. I was on the QA test team and we always wanted more difficulty settings or more ways the game would force the system to engage the player. Difficulty is one of the most difficult problems in game design because your player base will have such varied skill sets.
@@Kryxx07 The funny thing is they added difficulty settings for Shadow of War and it didn't really help because of other changes they made in other areas like the abilities and gear. By expanding those, they made it so players could easily min/max Talion and turn him into an unkillable god, regardless of difficulty.
I wish the nemesis system wasn’t trade marked because imagine more games with this. Like imagine a game like Ghost recon wildlands but when killed by a Narco they can become a Buchon. So many missed opportunities in game because of greed. (Even tho these games were amazing)
if you crossed this with the enemy counter system in MGSV, and a memorable IP with lots of namable characters (Say gi joe vs cobra?) you'd have a masterpiece.
Would have been perfect for Watch Dogs Legion where they already had this vast system for NPCs, would have been great to have some grudge enemies showing up to disrupt your plans or hack the hacker.
That isn't how it works, I think. There's specific rules governing games exactly because of that potential issue and I'm pretty sure Nemesis System-like things can be implemented into other games without violating anything.
If that weren't the case, the video game industry would've probably died right off the bat because people would be calling foul on games being similar at all.
this might have been good for Everspace as well. Another live-die-repeat experience.
I need a Star Wars bounty hunter game that uses this.
I love how the orcs, fighting each other, all yell at you.
Ikr! It’s like bruh, especially when I came to help one of them
Kâka tried so hard to become a great and fearsome leader, but he will always and forever be number two
Underrated comment
Bono want biddy
I had an orc named Horza who was the first guy I ever fought. He killed me about four times before I finally learned the game enough to kill him.
Then he came back, his skin bright white and a rag around his throat. I killed him again, but.... He came back again. I don't even remember his title because eventually the game took his title away. I killed the orc 21 times, and each time he came back more and more incomprehensible. His power got up to 29, but.no orcs followed him. In fact, orcs attacked him on sight. He was a scarred mess of bandages and stitches holding his body together to the point where he stopped talking, I don't even know that he could anymore.
He hunted me down relentlessly - I remember infiltrating an execution where one captain had three others that he was executing. I was already overwhelmed fighting them, but then Horza ran in from off screen and made everything so much worse.
I fought that orc so many times that I never forgot him, and that was my favorite experience in this game.
He's Death, following you everywhere
"He's immortal because his wife is dead" Almost woke my wife up both times laughing
A man's only weakness is the woman he loves. Without it, he is invincible.
Lamlugs death was the funniest sh*t. Shadow of Mordor and War both have crazy moments nobody would believe unless recorded.
I 100% believe it was Kaka that killed him, bro is the definition of opportunist so I doubt he was perma dead
So it was my first day of playing the game and I was not fully used to the controls so eventually I got killed by this random orc named Mormag of the Black Guards. He was tall and tough and became my number one enemy. Evertime I tried to do a mission he would always come on in and on of two things would always happen I would either kill him only for him to come back a few hours later or he would kill me and only get stronger. But eventually I unlocked the ability to dominate captains, so after roughly 20 minutes of fighting I was able to dominate him. And he was good... really good. He practically one tapped anybody we came up against. But then tradegdy struck. We had just killed this random captain and Mormag was injured to the point where I could one tap him. So I misclicked and MURDERED him. But this ain't the end the end of the story. It was about a day later I was cutting through some Ghouls, WHEN THE BASTARD CAME BACK. But there was an issue he was on the enemy side now because of my 'Betrayal' he fought me. And he killed me. So I tracked him down and I found him executing a random captain we fought for roughly 10 minutes until I finally cut him down and was about to rerecruit him. ONLY FOR THE DESCION TO BE BLOCKED. I was forced to kill him. And that was the last time I played Shadow of Mordor for two years because around this time Shadow of War came out. I practicaly forgot about Shadow of Mordor until in 2019 i cam back to it and guess what happend seconds after i went out and about in mordor...................HE CAME BACK AND HE MURDERED ME ATLEAST SEVEN TIMES JUST LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. But then one night I saw a mission it was an excution and Mormag was there excuting a guy name Ghorag the Mauler. Went down and enturupted it and I started fighting Mormag it was tough but i got him pretty low. But then coming from behind was Ghorag and he with his mace MURDERED MORMAG TO DEATH. at first i was not woried but after two days of him not returning I was woried. So i looked in the code and said next to Mormag's name IT SAID THAT HE WAS PERMANANTLY DESCEASED. I TRIED TO FIX THE CODE TO SAVE HIM BUT I ONLY MESSED UP THE GAME FURTHER. The game kept on crashing when i tried to start it up i knew the only way to play the game again i need to reinistal the game practiticaly making Mormag diseaper forever. And to this day i ahve never done that. It still remains at the bottom of my steam list never to be played again until the King of Mordor comes back...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................I am going to try my hand at fixing th code and resurect the king but we shall see if that works.....
UPDATE I ACTUALY DID YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
UPDATE 2 HE KILLED ME ONE SHOT
UPDATE 3 THIS IS GLOUROIUS
UPDATE 4 I HAVE NEVER HAD SO MUCH FUN FIGHTING AN NPC IN A VIDEO GAME
UPDATE 5 ANY TIPS ON HOW TO RERERECRIUTED HIM I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A WAY IF A SHAME HIM A LOT
It's like having an old friend in a coma. You must save him
@@danielorozco5686 yep
Nice
no, accept his death and raise a drink to the YEARS of entertainment this man brought you
dude was literally your homie forged in deathlessness
@@TheOwlMan8850 👍
I actually clapped when he said "big round of applause everybody" ...it was the loneliest moment of my life
You think that's bad? At least you're responding to a human being in a video. I respond to characters in video games, lol.
The loneliest moment in your life so far. :)
@@sarahwallace1103 True, true
@@sarahwallace1103Don’t worry, it always gets worse before it gets worse :)
I had a Nemesis in SoM that I remember practically hand crafting into a powerful enemy, I fought him at the end of the game, killing him, but when I booted up the Nemesis Forge there he was, missing an Eye. He followed me into SoW and was an absolute terror, I had created an orc that was too powerful and I only beat him barely. Then he decided he wasn't dead, and terrorized me in Minas Ithil, and actually followed me into Cirith Ungol (if I remember right). Either way, I didn't see much of him until I returned after getting the ring back, and he took over the Fortress, meaning I couldn't avoid him. I broke down the walls, killed his Orcs, but I couldn't bring him down, it was only through a Follower who saved me from a killing blow that took down Malmug Wrath-Breeder.
Wait, he literally followed you into the newer game (as in, you imported a save, which I didn't think you could do) or was it just another orc who coincidentally had the same name?
@@PapagenoX09 Yeah, before they shut down the feature you could go into Shadow of Mordor and boot up a new game mode called the Nemesis Forge, which imported all the Orcs in your save into a sandbox, and then from there you can interact with Orcs as normal but you could essentially choose two Orcs, one Ally and one Nemesis who would be sent into Shadow of War as a special enemy and ally respectively.
Cool, I had no idea of that. I didn't buy Shadow of War on launch but waited till the loot boxes and such were stripped out a few months later (bought it after the first Steam free weekend).
damn, it sucks i found these games too easy honestly i would've loved to have terrifying interactions like this, orcs who when they show their face your stomach just drops, they really should've made them just more and more and more busted, but unfortunately the games built around a sort of rock paper scissors mechanic where if they're resistant to this, use this, if they're resistant to that use this, sorta deal, so eventually if they did make them too busted it'd just feel impossible and frustrating until you found out what consistently damages them, sorta boils down to assessing each of your forms of damage and running down the list, maybe if they worked in more busted move sets and abilities for the orc's who knows
@@fobo3361 Gravewalker difficulty in SoW is pretty challenging at least in the early game, I'm sure if you have busted gear it's not a challenge but before then and before you have your own captains it can be pretty rough. Obviously at max level when you have good gear it's not challenging but they do at least put up a fight.
He died by arrow. No idea who shot it but I'm at 10:38 he's dying just off the screen but there's an Arrow that's above him traveling through where his bit box was when the death animation was triggered.
It was my brothers first game, and it was a archer named Hura the Tiny. He killed him before they even beat the slavers mission, the first mission in the game. He lasted until the very end of the game. If my brother died and he was even in the area, he got XP, he died, he came back. He came back at the end, when you attack the towers base. He didn't last much longer.
I still remember Azgrom the Elder. A small and tough bastard that kept coming back from the dead. Killed him once more just before going off to fight the final boss. Then he shows up once again when I'm storming Minas Morgal in Shadow of War, where I finally beheaded him.
The nemesis system is honestly amazing, cannot explain the frustration of losing to the same orc over and over again, each time getting these crazy dice rolls of some of the most powerful traits in the game, only to finally, defeat them, turn them and be betrayed by them, honestly hours of gameplay out of just one rivalry that ended up frustrating me so much I'd just run as fast as I could to get away from them rather than fight, as it was just suicide trying, even though I thought I was rather good at the combat system by that point
You had me at hierorchy.
I remember this one orc that had all resistances, was enraged by everything and had poisonous weapon, he killed me like 3 times before i finally killed him after like a 25 minute fight, after which he came back to life. What an amazing game
I love how they've made the killing of Talion into a game that determines who becomes a Captain.
6:26 Latbag's poetry combined with acting skills.
Dude your dry sarcastic form of humor is so fucking good lmao.
Time to binge all your content.
I've never played this game in my life but I'm so glad this channel is active again. I shall now base all my knowledge of Shadow of Morder on this video
this video truly answers the question: what happens to the orcs if you die a hundred times watching them? thank you
You could say that Kakas career got repeatably flushed down the toilet... but he just kept resurfacing.
Great video, loved the humor and the edits. Keep up the good work!
But who killed Uggu? the orc didn't even had a name?
Man he was my favorite
I've been watching several LotR lore videos recently, so when I saw the thumbnail, before reading the title, I thought this was a video about what happens to the orcs after Sauron's defeat.
great video
one nitpick: Lûgdash the Venomous wasn't dumb at all. He's called Lûgdash the Venomous, not Lûgdash the Poisonous.
He was totally safe licking his blade since venom is meant to be injected into the bloodstream as opposed to poison, which is dangerous when ingested.
Oh no, you're right
I love how in the end, regardless if his failure over and over again, it was he, Brogg, that lived longer than Uggu the Merciful.
If you look closely, approximately 12 frames after the camera begins to zoom in for the interaction (or 4 frames before Lamlug's death), you can see a berserker's thrown axe fly through the ground upon which Lamlug is kneeling. I believe this to be the cause of death.
I see it now too. Thanks for pointing it out. Mystery solved.
My most dangerous was this one guy I cut in half near the start of the game. Came back as The Machine and was immune to vaulting,executions, bashes, and ranged. Had a cursed weapon that absolutely demolished me every time I fought him. Hunted me in every region. Eventually ends up killing me while I'm mid battle with other orcs, and becomes the overlord of the region and gatekept me for a week straight
Gursha Hot Tongs was my first legendary captain.He killed me 20+times when I was still a freshly minted gravewalker.He was the orc that taught me the harsh reality of mordor.I just wish I could fight him again
So he was your mentor in a way.
I just returned to SoM again, discovered that if you die, new uruks are created at a lower level. In the Act 1 area I was getting steady Lvl 8-10 uruks until I died once, then started seeing Lvl 4-7. When I saw you were getting new uruks starting at Lvl 1, I was like... ah, that's why...
Hilarious video though. As many times as I've played SoM and as many times as I've had unique nemesis uruks, this vid made it much more memorable.
Kaka makes the biggest splash in our hearts
Unfortunately his reign quickly went down the drain.
At the end of SoM I put a goofy bard uruk in charge. Thought it would be a funny sendoff. Little did I know he'd follow me into SoW, become glitches with 7 legendary attributes, and end up going on a 50+ undefeated streak in arena.
I hope you upload more often, i been here since your first video and as soon as I see your videos pop up I immediately pick them, they are so funny and well done.
Dude became so unhinged even Death did not want anything to do with him
That they could patent this system is beyond insane.
I still have wonderful memories of Zuun the thunderer, with his own explosive crossbow, combat master, and could bitch slap me with the crossbow for 2/3 my health.
My toughest nemesis so far (I haven’t made it very far) was folgum. He killed me at least 30 times but not without help, he had two captains with him (can’t remember their names but they’re dead now). Folgum was the only war chief that’s taken more than a few tries for me to kill so far so I started to get frustrated. Eventually I was able to set it up just right where the captains were busy with caragors and Morgai flies but folgum was still interested in killing me. I lured him away from every one else and sliced his head off. It was so satisfying
Thrak the merciless. some random orc, that got me in a lucky shot the first time became the bane of my first game. every though fight, he would show up and make harder. when i least exspected it, and was toying with random orc - thrak would come out of a bush with a folded chair and put me in the ground. I decided to end him. push him to fight one of my guys, and then ambush him. worked like a charm. to missions later he comes back with a new arm and a vandetta. now immune melee, stealth and archery - afraid of caragors. He really made my first playthrough a trip
I had one ork that was practically invincible as he was immune to stealth ranged melee and fire (although I’m not sure about poison I’d have to check) and his only weakness was his fear of morgi flies
1:51 - thats for sure pick toilet humor ever! I watched that video during toilet visit...
My most memorable orc was from Shadow of War. In the game's opening region I ran into a spear-tossing orc early and died to him. A bit of intel gathering afterward to plot vengeance revealed that he was weak to fire, which made short work of him in the re-match. A while later he returns, burn-scarred but still afraid of fire, and is killed AGAIN by fire. This warped him into an insane orc whose biggest fear and weakness became his strength. When he returned again he had become the Flame-tongue, speaking of a fire goddess and his devoted worship to her, and he became the biggest thorn in my side throughout the rest of my time in that area (three fights, he killed me in two and I got him in one). At the end of my time in that opening act he appears one more time for a final duel and it took me ten minutes to fight through his horde AND fight off another orc and his gang that crashed our battle but in the end the Flame-Tongue fell, chopped in half and the first of many, many memorable rivals in SoW. He dropped a legendary sword that bore his title and it's been in my inventory ever since, and was one of my most heavily used flame weapons.
This is about when I fell in love with the Nemesis mechanic. There's nothing else like it in modern gaming.
I find the orcs who don’t talk, but just scream and stuff so much funnier
Man, I subbed after the first 10sec. Loved this!! Upload more! I need you in my antisosial life
07:33 is a uruk expression that means: "that was a great fight my lord, best luck for the next time!"
Would love to see this Re-done with Shadow of War.
The increased variety would be cool to see.
That would be interesting.
I have no idea who you are, but the algorithm suggested this. Watched it, loved it, subscribed! I’m glad that your channel is active again, your style is excellent
You should do a Pokémon Nuzlocke run, the emergent gameplay would be perfect for you
We NEED a 1 Hour Special of this Series idk why but it’s so entertaining seeing captains kill each other, beefing , recruiting , killing talion and all the stuff Orcs do 😂
My favorite Uruk ever was Prak The Elder, he was the first Uruk to kill me and his catchprhase was to practically shriek " YOUNG MAN" Across the room for all to hear when he'd spotted me , he would murder me two more itmes before I'd finally get the upper hand . I slit his throat, shot out his eye , and killed him in an explosion only for him to come back again and again . I thought i'd killed him in the explosion yet one day while sneaking around a base I heard a loud shriek. YOUNG MAN from far behind me, Prak at this point was faceless from the burns he'd received and had a bad hastily thrown over the majority of what remained of his face. I ran as he caught me at a terrible time and I decided to finally kill him one last time and plotted. I would hunt Prak and we'd have an epic sword fight, when I finally made him yield and drop to his knees the eyes peering through the bag were big and he expressed a solemn " No Like this" before Talion shoved a sword through his face.
Honestly one of my favorite videogame enemies ever.
This is a great video man, I never really became intrigued in a channel after watching one video but you have a great sense of humour
Thank you! :)
My first playthrough I had one captain who refused to die. I swear I killed him at least 13 times, multiple of those being decapitations.
He was more stitches and bandages than orc by the end, not to mention immune to almost all types of attack
This made me realize how useful the "nemesis system" would be in a sports game
I remember an uruk that was originally something like the "serpent" he had several title changes from me killing him, eventually I shamed him into oblivion so hard he became the shameless, and at this point we had killed each other a handful of times, he was basically covered head to toe in armor, pretty much no weaknesses, ended up recruiting him before the final mission, we had to have like 20 hours worth of fights at that point.
A throwing axe killed Lamlug you can see it if you look very very closely , this death was funny af tho
“Heirorchy” nearly gave me a hernia from laughing.
Azdush the stout I believe, I expected him to be a weak little detour as I went to do more important things, but then I saw his traits. He was immune to almost every way I could kill him, and could instantly kill beasts if he so pleased. So he just ruled until beat the game and dedicated 5 minutes to stun locking him, bashing his head into a wall until he finally died.
I also had an orc that would be killed by me or other orcs, even being decapitated, and he would still come back. I got him as one of my captains and he betrayed me, so I would kill him, he would come back, then I would kill him again and he would come back again...
The loving legend has returned!
I had an orc name Dugz the drooler.He is. Basic weapon orc with the drunk orc personality but this orc is literally unkillable.I sent like 4 enemy orcs at him once in shadow of war and he was chillin'
I once witnessed true Horror in the Form of one hooded Orc who just kept on adapting and becoming immune to almost everything, so he was impossible to beat in direct combat, with him evading almost every hit, countering frontal attacks, said immunity to Missiles, Execution and elven Light/Fist or how the stun move was called.
He killed me more times than i can remember, showing up in fights with other captains and whatnot, ruining everything, so when i was finally able to finish him for good with one single stealth attack, the one thing he wasn't immune to, it was incredibly satisfying. (Not that i didn't tried this before, but every other attempt failed.)
It's a wonder that he didn't even come back from the grave after all the trouble he gave me, but needless to say, guess who was waiting for me at the Black Gate?
Great opening pun. As a new father, you love to see it.
I wish we could see more of the nemesis system in other games. Its pretty cool.
has the edit and humor to tear of grace
I recall an epic Beastmaster Olog that had a party with him. When he called in a Graug (which epic beastmasters are wont to do) his party ended up summoning MANY more at the same time! I BADLY wanted him to by my bodyguard after that, but he ended dying in an offscreen duel
The offscreen duels are something I don't like especially when someone you really liked or had some kind of relationship with dies suddenly. You don't even get to see how they died you're just told they don't exist anymore.
I remember cutting an orc in half 3 times before I beheaded him. He just kept coming back.
I love how this game is so much better when the player is genuinely terrible at it. At last a game dev truly understands the modern need for content.
Ain't nothing on my nemesis. That man was a monster I just avoided fighting. He got so sick of fighting me he just didn't show up when called by the black hand.
I had this one berserker orc who must have killed me a dozen times. He would just show up everywhere. Iirc he was immune to stealth and ranged, and was a combat master or something so would block attacks and counter and i couldnt jump over him.
After killing me so much, i finally captured him by, iirc, some caragor and fire shenanigans, and he became my best champion. Just one shot everyone.
I had an orc called Olrok the stinger an archer who had greatly outlived his friend Luga the large he back from the dead once but then I ended the legend of Olrok the stinger permanently never to be seen again.
The return of the king!
voice acting for this game must have been such a blast !
0:22 unsubbed
Good riddance only good fans here 😂
Bye. Really lol
😢😢😭😭😭😰😰😰
Lol he was so disappointed in himself for making the Hierorchy pun.
He's back!
Very much enjoyed this. Between testing the game out in this way, and the editing and commentary, was very entertaining, and despite the silliness, oddly immersive. Magic of the nemesis system/effective entertaining chops for you. Highly recommend trying the same with Shadow of War, even better results there I'm sure.
if you wanna see someone put together a really compelling narrative with this system I'd recommend hitting up tearofgrace's shadow of morder series, he built up some of the most legendary and memorable nemesis's ive ever seen and still remember until this day
This is the fan fiction I never knew I needed
Return of the king
God I want more LOTR games
(they don’t have to have the nemesis system to be great, but we can all agree that Nemeis is freaking awesome)
THE MAN RETURNS FUCK YES
in Shadow of War, I had an Orc that had probably the strongest weapon i've seen an Orc have. A crossbow that shot wall-penetrating, poison rounds (IIRC, havent played in a while). He showed up during one of the colosseum fights, and on the bridge fight at the end where i managed to turn him onto Talion's side. I'm pretty sure he's still around, working as an overseer with his prized crossbow.
I have 2 favorite moments in these games:
1. An orc got the best of me multiple times and leveled up getting multiple perks, these perks ended being immunities to almost everything. He ended up being immune to executions, freeze, melee attacks, ranged attacks, and flurry finishers. I struggled very hard till I figured out I had to start the flurry combo, but stop mid way not triggering the finishing blow, and repeated this until he finally died.
2. I commanded 1 orc to fight another, then at the duel they got ambushed by a 3rd orc. My captain killed the ambusher, but turned out he was a blood brother of another one of my orcs, and the brother (orc #4) showed up betraying me to avenge him. Then another orc (#5) patrolled into the area joining the chaos. So I called in my bodyguard (orc #6) to help, and he killed one which also had a brother, so brother showed up to avenge him too (orc #7). In the end all 7 wound up dead several of mine included.
I see a tough orc every day at work. I call him "boss".
Rewatching the beginning answered my question: Was your first death at Hura's hands? He was linked to you as your 'personal' nemesis it appears.
Through a series of unfortunate events and countless failures I managed to create an orc who was immune to all forms of attack except from sword swings which he was resistant against. I never managed to kill him and he'd usually turn up as I was close to killing another leader
10:32 Not sure if somebody already answered. but...
Execution missions have a hidden timer. You need to save orc within a time limit. Otherwise he will automatically die. I assume you was hanging there for a while (for executor to kill other captured orks before coming to main one). So when you started the fight - time was already up and he.. died...
I didn't know that. That's really interesting.
Nah it was Hura with the crossbow from downtown again.
Oh this video is too good. Especially since I am about to play both games back to back again.
Another banger Mr. Hardmode
Damn, like those literary geniuses of orcish descent, you are quite witty.
Subscibid
*died at hierorchy*
The first orc captain I killed came back TWELVE TIMES, I went on a bunch of chatting websites like Reddit to figure if he was like a key character or something but I could 't find any mention of him.
the shadow of war system is better no? would be interesting to try it there
GamesOnHardMode's Hura the Hell-Hawk vs TearOfGrace's Prak Jaws
Match of the century