Apple Watch Ultra vs Garmin Epix Pro - 5 Deciding Factors!
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00:00 - Intro / Overview
00:54 - What they have in common
01:57 - Do you own an iPhone?
02:19 - Cellular or Not?
03:43 - Out of Box Experience
05:11 - Offline Maps / Navigation
08:48 - Battery Life
10:44 - Flashlight
12:12 - Final Thoughts / Conclusion - Спорт
Epix pro is now the ultimate SPORT watch
I will describe my experience here, you people can judge me. I was using an Apple watch ultra for my running and strength training for 21k and I was very upset with the confusion of the Apple Watch to force me to use third-party apps to configure my interval runs and consolidate my information at the end of the day. I sold my Apple watch Ultra and move back to Garmin, bought a Forerunner 965. The out-of-the-box experience was excellent, I can connect my account with my trainer app on my iPhone and download my interval runs automatically. Better training status, better battery. I don't care about LTE or phone functions on my wrist. I want my training data being collected and consolidate efficiently.
Sounds like you've got the right tool for the job!
My exact experience, I'd argue if you take fitness seriously at all then just get a Garmin. I tried moving back to Apple Watch/fitness after being on Garmin since the 305 and it was an expensive mistake.
I had the same experience, but with swimming. On Apple Watch Ultra is impossible to make interval training. Sold my Apple Watch and got back to my Fenix 3 (!!!!)
I will not judge you but I will judge Apple.
What you described in nothing special, especially it is "just" running.
There is still no roadmap available from Apple in terms of their commitment to more serious semi professional weekend warriors, which I asspire to be one. :)
Did you sell your Garmin because it can’t answer your phone call or reply message? You dumb people bought Apple Watch but expect it to work like a sports watch, yet you never expect Garmin to work like a true smart watch. You fail the watch for being this dumb, the watch didn’t disappoint you and it does what it’s designed for.
Commenting for the algorithm and to mention that this video will crush. I love the fact that you’ve boiled this down to 5 key factors. 👌
Dave is pretty awesome and his videos are top notch but don’t sell yourself short Matt. Your videos are superb as well!
@@braddavister137 - Thanks so much!!! Yeah, I’m a huge fan of Dave’s channel. He does amazing work!!! 👍
I'm a huge fan Mr. legrand.
@@Tmacademia Thank you!
What were the 5 key factors - no way I have 14 minutes to spare.
Really excellent analysis with no BS filler. Keep it up! I have the Garmin Epix pro and Android. Will stay there.
Great video, I'd definitely go for the Epix pro simply because I'm an outdoors type and looking forward to a new S24 ultra next year.
Thanks for your time and amazing efforts!
Great job, again! Really appreciate the perspective you place on these products.
Nice one mate👍🏻 The most useful comparison I’ve seen!
great video. thanks. did you mention the price??
Really helpful boiling things down like that, and man that flashlight, it comes in very, very handy when you least expect it but its there and it works
Great review! Helped me a lot. I own a Fenix 6X and was considering to upgrade. But for me the key to upgrade is the cellular connection. So I guess I will have to wait, if Garmin ever brings this feature.
BTW was is your Greek tattoo on your arm?
Deciding factor #7 in Garmin's favor is their excellent customer service. I've started with Garmin with Forerunner 310 and even then when my wife's Forerunner broke way out of warranty they replaced it for a small fee with a re-certified unit. It just happened to me when my Fenix 6x Saphire broke, almost 3 years since purchase and they are replacing it with a re-certified unit for $150. Those watches are awesome but also pricey and having an option to get a replacement past warranty keeps me as their customer.
Yep, Garmin has replaced watches for me after the warranty has expired as well. Their customer service is top-notch! Apple's customer service, on the other hand, is non-existent. Problems with Apple devices only days after purchase and they were unwilling to help me. Garmin has earned a customer in me!
It's great that they are replacing it for minimal cost but breaking after 3 years is a bit of a concern. If you are spending a lot of money on something, I want it to last longer than 3 years before failing.
Excellent summary and contrast. I think the Apple watch ultra looks to fulfill all the potential of what a smartwatch can be, and has fitness functions, while the Garmin is for competitive athletes or people serious about fitness, and has smartwatch functions. The garmin has many more metrics that track and analyze performance, and Garmin Coach and was a major reason for me to buy Garmin (not to mention the buttons). But the AWU looks much better from a UI perspective and can do a lot more phone things. Both great devices, but for fairly different purposes. The Garmin is probably narrower in its focus on fitness and advanced health/activity tracking. While the AWU is a mini phone.
Yes, but every outdoorsman will pick garmin just on battery.
Excelente comparación!!
Thanks Dave, I have the Apple Watch Ultra but really won’t longer battery life and some of the workout benefits of Garmin. Great review.
I use my watch a lot at the gym, probably the AWU will be the best option right?
Looks like your in the BayArea. Great video, theses are the two I’m looking into. I have Apple phone but then I have the Garmin InReach mini. I get tired pulling out my phone on a hike. So far I’m leaning towards the Garmin.
this was the best comparison on youtube of Apple Watch Ultra vs Garmin Epix, thanks a lot!!
Great comparison. I would add that the Garmin can be operated with real keys vs touch. Not sure if you can do everything on the AW without touch. Touch just doesn't work in water
Amazing review thanks!!
Keep up the great videos!
I think the reason one sees so many requests for comparisons is that the market is really fluid. New features are continually being added. The definition of what’s a smart watch is blurring. Ultimately that’s a good thing. Interesting times!
Great video. Thank you!
Excellent review - Thank You 🙏
Excellent job!
I tried the Ultra and moved to the Forerunner 965. Somewhat for map/nav features, but ultimately Garmin is so much better for multisport training integration, sensor support, interval and other workout types, and training and recovery metrics. It will be years before Apple is anywhere close on those things imo.
Me too
Yeah I don’t think that is Apple’s priority. Their model is to let the app developers come up with the killer features and meet that fitness demand for the pros, meeting the needs of the majority of people with their basic tracking.
Except that the integrated sleeptracking and heart rate monitoring has pretty bad accuracy compared to the apple watch. So if you want accurate data then you need a chest strap
@@OverEntusiastmine doesn't. Sleep stages are accurate and heart rate accurate compared to a HRM. Each user's experience will be different you can't make sweeping statements based on your own experience.
@@Fozzee.1970 Of course I do not make statements just based on own experiences. I have based them on this youtuber who does a way more in depth test than most tech reviewers. ua-cam.com/video/cNVV1PwwpmY/v-deo.html
Thank you brother!
Hi there, Dave! Quick question for you. Looking to get back into Garmin. Was considering the Epix Gen 2, as I cannot afford the pro. Thoughts on a watch that will soon be 2 years old? Honestly, I don’t train, I’m more of the every day exercise guy. But my old man eyes need the AMOLED screen, and the battery life is really one of the things that sells me on Garmin. I do use Maps, so that is actually kind of important to me. Also love round trip courses. Have also considered the 965, but I do love the look of the Epix. Hoping just for some advice. Thanks again! Great video as always.
The stand alone cellular capability sounds nice but I would never use it because I always have my phone nearby.
can you compare new running metrics like stride length and etc in comparison to ones from a strap like garmin hrm pro?
Подскажите, пожалуйста, на солнце на каком дисплее лучше читается информация, на epix pro или на fenix pro?
Both Apple Ultra and Garmin Epix Pro are huge rocks. Heavy and thick. I prefer light and slim watches. I hope Garmin releases a watch exactly like Furerunner 965 but with flash light! That could be an instant get for me.
Adding Garmin Messenger to the current capabilities (inReach) would take away any issue related individual’s connectivity while you’re out on the field, and most importantly worldwide, no conditions, no limitations. Having or not the iPhone with you, at that point become an individual’s choice. This is what makes Garmin watches insuperable for appassionate runners. Both Fenix 7 and Epix have great compatibility with IR, straight from the watch!
Great review! I was using the AWU since it was released and really enjoyed it. I did however recently move to the Epix Pro because a mate recommended it and I took the plunge after doing some research. I then went back to try out the iOS10 on the AWU and missed the fact I had to much more fitness data all centralised in one app and I didn’t have to charge it so often. I’m back on the Epix Pro and will prob stay there. 😊
That’s funny - my experience was the absolute opposite, I’ll probably never use Garmin again
How does it do for other generalist smart watch stuff? Notifications from texts, email, etc.? Does the Epix tie into Apple health and apple fitness?
@@RoughRidersTVnot really, but it stays on after a day.
@@princediesel1you are one of probably 20 who do that. AW can provide 20 % of health tracking, when Garmin can do 100% out of the box.
@@facerol7900 I have both - that is incorrect- AW does everything Garmin does
When I'm out running, the least thing I want is to have phone calls and messages coming in on my watch. I just want to run and listen to music. No outside world thanks.
How’s the faces options in the Epic compared to the Ultra?
It's a very nice comparison video! Good job! Now I'm going to buy Garmin.
looking at something different to Garmin epic..as my gen 2 really irritates my wrist where the pulse sensor is....
Is there any app or add-on for Epix that make possible to fallow Bitcoin price in real time with internet connection via wifi or bt?
Can you do a review between garmin descent mk3i and ultra 2
I’m using iPhone and I got Epix pro 51mm. Love the combination. I carry my iPhone everywhere, I like the bigger screen than Apple Watch. I ran Grindstone 100 two weeks ago, headlight dead, the Epix led light was my life saver.
Love the video chase .
Epix for the win. I came from a Galaxy Watch 5 Pro to the Epix Gen 2 Sapphire and for the things I like to do, it is well beyond my expectations of its functionality.
i ended up going with the EPIX PRO due to i am an avid golfer.....LOVE this watch and everything about it...cheers all
And for gym workouts? Which is better ?
Hi there, I have a question about Apple Watch. Is there a way to measure rest time while doing intervals on the track with the Apple Watch ultra (using the action button)? I understand that I can set an interval workout with the workout app, but sometimes I just want to freestyle a workout. Right now when I press the lap button within the stopwatch app, it will only show me the total elapsed time. Is there a way to see how much time has passed since I pressed the lap button so I know when to start my next interval?
PS. I do use the work outdoors app and I CANNOT use the action button to start a new lap which I thinks wastes the money that I spent to get that extra button ='(. This is why I specifically asked about the using the action button.
Super very good clear explanation very good 👍👍👍
Great video...👏🏽👏🏽
Why not regular AW 8 or 9?
Great Review
Finally someone helps in taking the decision to have a smart phone on wrist or a watch with fitness focus 🧘
Great video and very well done. I’m definitely locked into the Apple Watch ecosystem and currently using an AW7 with apps such as Athlytic and love the experience. But I’m patiently waiting for Apple to build an AW with longer than 5 day battery life.
I've been an Apple user my whole life and really enjoy the ECO SYSTEM of compatibility and ease of use. I trail run, mountian bike and play golf. The Ultra 2 was such a GIGANTIC dissapointment. I bought a Garmin S70 for Golf and fitness and could not be happier. Also text messages still come up on the display, and the view of details while working out is amazing on the Garmin. Not to mention the battery life.
The new modular ultra on Apple Watch iOS 10 makes it pretty easy to swap apps.
I own the AWU and am getting the the epix pro gen 2 because of the mapping. I find with AWU as soon as I lose phone signal, the mapping gets really bad, or just stops working. My friends instinct was still showing us where we where on a backpacking trip, when my AWU stopped showing it. Plus for back country stuff having to charge my watch all the time is no good. I love my AWU though. Its a great smart watch.
I have the AW Ultra and the Epix 2 (not Pro) and I completely I agree with your analysis. I use them both, but one is a much better smartwatch and the other a beast of a fitness and sports watch.
All of your points reflect exactly how I feel about them. Some people ask me about the differences and now I can point them to your video! Thanks :)
I'm curious, do you only wear the Garmin for training or also the rest of the time? I have an AW and an older Forerunner I'm thinking about upgrading. I have my eyes on the FR 965, but it is expensive and a little much if you don't wear it outside training and the AW does a better job there. Not sure I want to wear two watches.
@@Nyelands that is really a dilemma also for me. I'm currently using both, the Garmin with an extended band so I can use it on my biceps or ankle, but I agree with you that it's not the most practical thing. I really love the AWU capabilities as a smartwatch, but Garmin's analysis wearing it 24/7 is much more insightful. I don't want to lose the data that takes weeks to build like HRV status. It's not an easy decision and I understand your concern. I was even sleeping with both watches, which is crazy because both devices are big. I've decided to stop using the AWU for sleep even though syncing Connect to Apple Health does not transfer sleep stages. I'm sorry I don't have the answer for you. I will continue testing what's more convenient, but for now that's where I am.
@@paolaroblesgil Sounds like we have the same dilemma. I was thinking what I would prefer if I had to chose one or the other. A great smartwatch with so so fitness tracking or a great fitness tracking watch with so so smartwatch functionalities. One thing I love is being able to go to the supermarket right after running, Garmin Pay will work for that. Then we have music and LTE being able to answer to text message or take a call. I use it sometimes, but rarely. It would be nice if you are on a longer run and if you're not going straight home after afterwards, maybe enjoying the sun somewhere and not feeling disconnected and feel like you have to go home to check your phone. At the same time do you really need all the smart functions and notifications or is it really more a stress factor. I don't usually listen to music while running, on rare occasions I do, but then I could bring my phone, or wear two watches. Haha! Sorry for the long message, just thinking out loud.
One thing I like about Garmin, you can charge it off the wrist with a small powerbank and the cable especially on ultra runs while tracking your gps progress. I have the first gen instinct and the battery life isn’t what it used to be so i do this. Does the AWU have the same capability as well?
It can charge mid-activity but the charger is magnetic so it’s a little harder to situate in a backpack or running vest or the magnet will let go.
Great video! But why didnt you use the flashlight mode on AW Ultra when comparing?
Another great video!
I got both. I use both when I go for runs but for everyday tasks I use my ultra all day while I put away my Garmin in a drawer until the next morning when I need to go for a run.
Yeah that’s basically what I do too, Garmin for exercise and AWU for everything else.
Thanks for the good review. If I may say, they are two very different watches, each for its own unique purpose. Unfortunately, 3 days battery life kills the AW entirely.
Good review here, but would also point out that the price difference here is $300 with the Pro’s priced in north of $1k. I mention this also because WorkOutdoors and Athlytic are the two apps that make the AWU very comparable to Garmin for mapping and training readiness and they are both discounted here as having to be bought, extra.
The flashlight is a tie here, imo. They both have them and they both work for backups. If anything, Garmins torch is over the top.
The flashlight is not a tie! One has one, the other doesn't.
Garmin is my favorite for sure. I have a Garmin fênix 3 for a long time 😀 and yet it works pretty well 🇧🇷
Garmin all day everyday
Are you an iPhone user?
One huge factor for me is that I've been using Garmin Connect since around 2011 and I have a ton of data with it and I'm not sure that it could be imported into the AW.
It can not be imported!
Great vid
Nice review, thanks. upgrading from apple watch 7 to the ultra 2. also use everyday my garmin 7 tactix. awesome watch. i will use both, at various times. Camping, hiking moutnmain biking etc. garmin gets worn. weekly nornal activities , gym indoor cycling ill use the ultra 2 will be on my wrist.
What options are there for Apple Watch Ultra like one on Garmin ecosystem, particularly Garmin training calendar where you can add 5k,10 or marathon plans and it displays under Run activity for that day?
Maybe Nike Running Club app… I found it pretty seamless with AW. It’s pretty basic though.
I like to compare bought ihad a apple watch 4 series and I change for garmin epic 2 and so far I like the experience I have with garmin
Is it not the Gen 2?
For me I had AW then I went to Garmin but now back to AWU because I don’t’ need to carry my phone around. I still have cellular whether I’m on the run or working and since everything I have is in the Apple Ecosystem so it’s just convenient for me to use the AWU. I just run half’s, marathon, and hikes so AWU is pretty much all I need. Honestly at the end, just choose whatever device you like 😊 and Enjoy whatever activity you do!
Epix is a sport Watch, Apple ultra is a smartwatch! This is the difference. I love Garmin’s ecosystem! Thank you for this video!
Bought the Garmin as a flashlight with an added bonus of a smart watch
Excellent review and spot on. In a nutshell, Epix is for serious outdoor athletes / use while Apple is for everyday urban use. Period.
Mic drop
Integration with all my Mac devices is the key, I will give up feature’s the Garmin has for that
Isn't the Epix Pro (51mm) still actually just a 35.54mm (454 x 454 pixel) display?
really solid review, im choosing de garmin, for me in long term user experience garmin do last long !
The watch competition is tough , but in 2023 epix pro is the king 🤓
I have both and wear both all the time - well, not the AWU when I go to sleep. To me, they are totally different kinds of watches. The AWU is an extension of my iPhone and another very useful and compact/mobile endpoint for my Apple ecosystem. For running and other sports activities, there is no comparison: it's the Garmin Epix Pro 51. Now, I have no need to take the phone with me on my runs, gym workouts, hikes, or whatever other physical activities. The AWU handles my phone calls, Messages, Apple Music, other general stuff and general Health info and the EP51 handles all the detailed sports and health-related data.
They can each do some of what the other is best at, but not nearly as good. I also use the AWU with Stryd on my runs so that I can get another set of running data along with what EP51 is providing. So, to me, they are very complementary and I have two wrists, so why not both? I know that around $2K for both is a lot but is surely a lot less than luxury watches from the likes of Rolex, Omega, and Cartier, etc., a few of which I have and almost never wear except for a few stuffy social events every now and then when I have to wear a suit. I think both are great and love 'em. I have things set up so they don't overlap and each does what they are best at.
do you wear them on both hands or on the same hand? Is it convenient?
@@nazar_ua I wear the AWU on my left wrist and the EP51 on my right. It's not inconvenient or uncomfortable at all. Before I got the EP51, I had the Forerunner 745 and wore it on my right wrist but only for running. Now, I consider EP51 the main watch although the AWU has pretty much replaced my iPhone for any outdoor activities as well as the gym.
I don't even take the iPhone out with me when going out on short errands. The AWU has liberated me from having to take the phone wherever I go and that's a good feeling since I can take phone calls, receive and send texts, play my music library through the AirPods Pro 2, and handle a lot of the general phone stuff. I'm also using Siri and dictation a lot more now with the AWU when I didn't do that with the phone. It's so good to not have to have the phone with me all the time.
I've been wondering if I shouldn't do the same, so I have the best of both worlds.
@@fitdude If you have the budget, I say go for it. I also wondered if I actually *need* to have two watches on me most of the time but, now, I feel it's one of the best tech product decisions I've ever made. Now it feels weird if I don't even have one watch on me. Haha. But, seriously, having the best of both worlds is really great. They complement each other so well.
Being a city guy who walks for exercise, the iWatch is the ticket. Having cellular means I have full connectivity when out and about. That is important to me. In the evening I throw the iWatch on the charger and it's ready in the morning. I don't tend to hand-carry my iPhone around and it basically it sits on my desk at work or on my nightstand.
A very nice concise review of these watches. I my humble opinion the AWU and Apple Watches in general, including Samsung watches are trying to be a jack of all trades. For Apple it is about trying to capture the athletic market while still trying to cater to the non-athletic market. For Garmin it is all about the athletic market, which is obvious because they work on both mobile platforms. Apple has always been about drawing the customer into their ecosystem, hence it does not work on any other platform. That has been the negative factor in my opinion since I do not want to be tied down to one company and their ecosystem (i.e. "Apple Washed") as many people are prone to say. I have had Garmin and Samsung watches and my wife has an Apple Watch. I think the Garmin is the superior product since it works in both platforms and is factored to the athletic market. The Samsung and the Apple watches are just not there. The battery life on these watches is disappointing, especially using GPS or GPS while playing music as you run. I am glad that you did a very unbiased review as many reviews are biased, especially when it comes to Apple products.
I thought you had millions of subs. wow ... I definitely love your videos.
Maybe one day!
@@ChaseTheSummit wow you replied XD your videos are literally my favourite reviews. I have and Epix gen 2 and Ultra and even a Huawei Watch D for blood pressure. I am still confused what's best but you help out the most. I'm using the Ultra and D but I'm not exercising outdoors. But we are off for a holiday to Croatia for 9 weeks and maybe the Garmin will be better. I choose hr accuracy over features and I know the ultra is more accurate, I have accepted the low sample rates compared to the Garmin sampling every 1 second.
I’ve just traded my Fenix 7 SS for an AW Ultra 2 and I cannot be more disappointed at the moment, the out of the box experience is just disappointing sadly. I regret it a lot. I mean, great hardware, but if the software and experience is no different from the standard AW… I don’t see the Ultra justified. I’m trying so hard to give it an opportunity but the desire of switching back is there. Great video as always!
Another great video. Which watch do you find you wear daily? If you’re not making a video and just using it for your normal day?
Lately it’s the Forerunner 965
@@ChaseTheSummit I’m a little surprised. 😊 I thought it’d be the epix. 🤷♂️. Trying to decide between these is proving difficult. I have the apple ultra and it’s fine but I just really want to track more and the battery life is a factor. My training runs are split between road and trail and all of my races will be trail. I also swim a few times a week and attend CrossFit classes 2-3 times a week.
Battery life is better on the Garmin or so I thought. When programmed with the always on display ON, brightness at peak, and listening to music while working out. The Garmin’s battery isn’t great. I have my Apple Watch ultra on those settings as well.
i think my favorite part of this video is how daves brand new 51m Epix Pro looks like it survived navy seal hell week, then did 1 tour of active duty military service, followed up with 2 spartan races, a leadville 100, 14 yards mowed, 2 oil changes and tire rotations, then 2 weeks fire jumping out west to keep wildfires at bay.
😂 “durability testing”
When you talk about the AW requiring apps to do certain things "at an additional cost", I think it's important to note that while that's true, there is an upfront cost difference between the two, with the Garmin costing more.
So Garmin wins the fitness side. What about general smart watch type features? Things like notifications for messages, key apps? Does it tie into Apple Heatlh and Apple Fitness?
I only have the instinct, but I do have the ultra, and for casual exercising and work I like my ultra, but for long distance touring on my bicycle or pretty much any multi day outdoor activity I prefer my Garmin. Would love to get a fenix or epix. Probably get one when I’m instinct starts acting up.
the emergency services for me is what sealed the deal. though in the back country with no cell reception then you're screwed either way lololol
What watch are you wearing currently as your daily wear?
I like this channel much better rather than the other ones which just cherry pick all the negatives about everything
I have an iPhone (and a Macbook) but I'm more attracted to Garmin due to the fact that I don't need smart features.
I use to receive few calls and messages per week, if I'm doing sport I don't want to be disturbed at all, it's a moment only for me so I enjoy the lack of connection.
Apple Watch is a good looking smartwatch that makes me think about tech/fashion/nerd/generic fitness etc.
Garmin is a solid sport watch device that makes me think about athletes/sport/professional healthy tool etc.
I want to buy and try one of this watches ans this is for me a difficult choice because at one side i already used apple system and like this environment. The idea of the apple wath is to provide the ability to keep a user to be connected to a real phone functonnalites but there is some sport approch that need to be simplify and for me the battery life seems to be to short. On the other side we have a dedicate watch to a sport and a brand with a real great experiences in user needs. This video is Absoltutly very useful because it help to make decision for me probably garmin. but i have to admit that the idea of answering or paying with my watch would obviously interest me. Thank you for your feedback!
The good news , hopefully soon , we will have a watch who can do a little of both watches strong points .
I think Apple Watch Ultra is a great watch but I prefer the Epix ... the cellular feature I really like to see on the Garmin.
In my case the dive capabilities of the AWU have huge value.
Excellent Dave. Thanks a lot for the comparison. I am also checking the Huawei Watch Ultimate which is almost half the cost of the Epix Pro and also quite cheaper than the Apple Watch. It’s a very premium watch with a 14 day battery life (claimed) and well built with exotic materials. Could you also compare that with the Garmin Epix pro 51 ?
It's on my list. Unfortunately Huawei watches are somewhat limited here in the USA.
@@ChaseTheSummit noted. I saw it in Dubai and it looked awesome 👌
Garmin Epix Pro Gen 2 51mm ❤❤
Great review. I’ve had both and they are both great but the Apple Watch is basically a small phone which is great if you use it instead of your phone. If you run with a cellular Apple Watch you’ve basically got a phone on your wrist. You’re connected and you haven’t got a huge phone in your pocket. I settled with a Garmin because I can ride over 100 miles and I can run a bit and I use a Garmin for cycling. If that’s got a problem I have a Garmin on my wrist. The Garmin is a tool for training with a long battery life the Apple Watch is a small extension of a iPhone.