Great video! By the way, Multi-Band GPS means the device can receive GPS signals via multiple frequency bands, not that they can connect to two satellites (they natively receive signals from all in range). The multiple frequencies help to reduce errors caused by environmental interference. Also, our watches need at least 3 satellites to be able to triangulate location, but often use 4 or more!
@@adamluthfie7 255 has training load. But if even that is too much for a constrained budget runalyze will give you that and many more metrics for free. No real reason for a beginner to spend over £400+.
Press twice on the action button. With 1 or 2 seconds in between. Always works for me. I’d be very interested to see videos regarding Athlytic or Bevel as fitness application. Keep uploading Shervin!!!
I’ve owned the Apple Watch Ultra 1 & 2 and now the Ultra in the black version and I only had the orange screen of death one time and I think it was with the Ultra 2 grey titanium one. The battery life is not even close with the Garmin but the gps tracking and heart rate monitor is as good as any sports watch out there.
Servin you should do more of lifting based videos and how to track lifts on the apple watch effectively Also when to do lifts and when to do cardio during the week
Dude! As always… great video! Thank you for making them! I particularly enjoy these type of race / watch performance videos. I also nerd out with the data comparison! Cool stuff! Cheers! 🤘🏼
Your experience with the AW ultra matches mine. I love it for the smart features, but it is unreliable for serious running. So, I also wear the Coros Pace 3 as a backup!
The Apple Watch Ultra smoothing is interesting because while it’s not “accurate” to the distance your body moves, it is accurate to the distance you are concerned about. In other words, when running a marathon you don’t care about the zig zagging distance you run since the goal is the race length. That’s also why the pacing is more accurate. For example, if I run 400m on a track, I just care about the 400m time and not about any zig zags and the extra few meters I may run (in the case I can’t run straight haha). Great review(s) - really like this kind of video 👍🏾
@@MalcomJones Spot on! Running several marathons the bang on distance-pacing is what you need to hit your goal! Also regarding the track the Apple Watch Ultra is bang on with the track mode (several brands have a different take so many good)
Yes this is such a tough one to pick. Do you go with actual distance data or the distance data that best matches for a race Even if workouts are off - is it better to run a little more & faster just you’re ready for race day with zig zagging
agree. this means the apple watch ultra algoritm focus on the things that is important. but then again, if you track this very specific, that also cool
Great video. The math is off for whoever said that marathon majors should be 26.4 miles or greater. An extra 0.1% of 26.2 gives 26.2262, barely a difference in the grand scheme of things. In all likelihood you did run a quarter to a half a mile in excess just with all the weaving around and deviation from the shortest line however.
yes but when you're starting a race you want to make sure GPS is properly acquired and you dont want to tap the screen twice to get a working going - 2 things that Precision Start fixes
I don’t really run so the Ultra has been great for what I need. Hiking/backpacking/bikepacking along that sweet trail we have all the way to Canada is fairly well tracked through it. Compass/waypoint complication is great for when I wander through the woods. Brothers employee discount also doesn’t hurt lol. Sister is a runner and definitely prefers the Garmin. If it’s purely for running it’s pretty hard to beat. Battery life is insane on her solar. Meanwhile our 70yo father running or volunteering in every marathon around the city denies our offers for anything he wants. Wild considering he got us into tech/running/cycling. Man wants the latest iPhones but not a watch when he runs daily smh.
i'm still curious about people in reddit saying "buy HR strap" when you can actually get values from optical sensors from watches nowadays. i mean when they tell that, they tell it like smart watches' HR monitor is soooo bad.
yea. it's not 100% accurate but you get good range on where you're at. i sold my polar H10 monitor a year ago, i get very close values so i don't think it's worth it anymore
For marathon intensity which is steady state it's the optimal conditions for wrist HR, it's only when someone wants to integrate interval training, or some other sports with wrist flexion that strap is then considerably better.
Depending on temperature, how tight you have it, and your skin colour (darker skin blocks the optical sensor more) it ranges from accurate to wildly inaccurate and actually tracking your running steps per minute. Before my most recent watch which is the fenix 7plus with the new hrm, every gps watch I used would not pick up my heart rate accurately at all no matter how tight or loose I have the band in non steady state slow run activities compared to my chest strap
I believe Garmin and Apple use different formulas for running power, but they're internally consistent. Elevation I believe has issues due to the bridge sections
Bro u nailed it ! awesome video really ! need to get my first watch, i do mostly trail (training and racing) and some HM with elevation too! never too flat :p so for me elevation need to be accurate, but when i compare it's crazy for my brain that's they cant have accurate metrics on official races in 2024 watches. as u said well 'a fitness tracker' yeah just to have some numbers but dont think too much about it since not one is fully accurate on distance and elevation, so all the datas r "wrong" with the algorithms. When i see that i m like i should just keep my strava premium account and still run with my iphone. strava is way less accurate than watch ? since they use the tech of a phone (better than a watch) im like maybe not that mucH? so yeah i guess when u have one, u have one u dont care anymore :) but for a first choice i dunno where to go! i have in my mind a garmin, pace pro or suunto race (s) if u have any advice im ready to listen and understand, thanks again for this top vid !
Your videos are always great and congrats on your NYC marathon run. Love my AW ultra for running outdoors and it is very consistent . I usually just tap the screen during the 3,2,1 countdown to get instant start. where I don't like it is running on the treadmill indoors. I have never been able to get it to even come close to the treadmill time. it always falls behind. frustrating.
Again very good video! Thanks! I have the apple watch ultra and always look at the fenix 8 for road cycling. Im just not sure if I can make the switch. Oh, and by the way, precision start on the apple watch is just a toggle you can activate...
Very cool comparison Shervin! Thanks for putting in the work to get all this data. Wouldn't the distance of Apple Watch Ultra 2 be least likely to be correct given the amount of weaving required in the race? Doesn't seem too likely that is only .06 miles over an entire marathon. It would seem the other distances, which were all very close, are more likely to be correct. Great video! 💪🏃
Yes it all depends on how you want to define “correct” if compared directly to my chip distance. AWU2 was correct. If we’re not using that & going by “true” distance. Then it might not be correct
Wouldn't Garmin use more battery because it has been connected to chest strap instead using its own sensor? Congratulations on the run and video. Great work
I was going to get the H10 chest strap. I guess I should forgo it, since your watch 10was nearly spot on. I have the 9. Thoughts? I have wandered if the pacing is correct though. When I run at what should be the same pace as what's clocked on the watch (for zone 2) on the treadmill, I have a much harder time keeping my heart rate low. From your results, I guess there must be something else going on. The watch 10 wasn't significantly off in your data.
I'm just getting back into running and I'm looking for a somewhat budget watch with good GPS and HRM and the Huawei Watch GT 5 caught my attention. Could you do a review for this?
GPS devices can interfere with each other if they are in close proximity. This can happen due to **GPS jamming**, where GPS signals are overwhelmed by unknown signals, leading to inaccurate or incomplete locations. So, devices that are close to each other can cause interference and affect accuracy. And not just your waches on your arms. There were lots of waches from other runners...
Great video. I actually find the trail loop on the Apple Watch Ultra to be the worst band for collecting data. The standard sport loops do a better job for me. Think it’s the width of the titanium lugs that push the band wider on my wrist. When I first got my ultra I was like it’s not great at reading heart rate but for me it’s actually this band style.
@3:14 the commenter messed up the math. They added 1% to the distance (multiplied by a factor of 1.01). The actual USATF guidance is 0.1% (AKA a safety factor of 1.001). So an actual marathon is about 42 meters longer than the official 26.22 distance (roughly 26.25 miles), not the 420 meters as their comment suggested.
The funny thing is, I would say it's safe to say all if not mass majority of runners and also viewers of this video period are not Pros. The fact that by your data the ultra 2 was only 3 seconds off shows how little the count down style actually matters overall. Pair that with the fact the apple watch is a much better smart watch period compared to the rest, I would say for most runners they should go for the apple watch ultra if they have an iphone.
Is it easy to go from Apple watches to a Garmin? easy to adapt to ? Thinking of switching.. Thanks for the video and congrats on another marathon finish!
Dude, great video! thanks for creating this, and showing the differences between these watches. I have to ask I just used the Apple Watch Ultra 2 on a hike up in the Appalachian mountains three days 30 miles and walking over known distances the Apple Watch each day 10 miles a day seem to be about a mile to a mile and a half greater distance than what was actual ... do you think the tracking poles made a difference versus just walking with the watch on my normal stride on my body? And does anybody know if there’s a trekking mode in the Apple Watch to ultra settings?
Regarding the Apple Watch Ultra 2… to achieve the most accurate heart rate (HR) readings, as close as possible to the Polar H10, I tried two bands: the Trail Loop and the Ocean Band. The Trail Loop is a soft, very comfortable band, but it causes more movement while running compared to the Ocean Band, which is stiffer yet still fairly comfortable and stays more securely on the wrist. This results in less movement that could interfere with HR accuracy. Therefore, I’ve found the Ocean Band to be much better suited for the AWU2 (which is heavier than the AW10) to obtain a more accurate HR.
uhm, you could put the chest strap on the watch you have on your hand. Trex2 should support external sensors. In this way you could check HR measurement of all other devices.
Out of curiosity do you know how big your wrist is. I'm considering the Fenix 8, not many stores here have any in stock so I need to order it. Is it noticable bigger than the Apple Watch Ultra 2?
The 3-2-1 on the Apple Watch can be over written by just double tapping the screen 😂. I’m surprised soo many ppl don’t know this and actually wait for the count down
Dude. I’ve heard you complain about precision start on regular Apple Watch and non action button starts multiple times. If you tap the screen as the countdown starts, it immediately starts the workout. You don’t have to wait on the countdown.
It’s not the same!! I want to see that GPS signal is acquire and I want to start the workout without looking at the screen (and tapping twice on the screen) Not ideal for the start of a race or start of a run with a group
Regarding the garmin fenix 8 you can set no notifications under the activity run profile. Dude I don’t know how uou ran with all those watches lol. I just tried to finish well. Also set reminders during the race to eat.
That’s good info, idk why I keep getting it. Maybe too many devices or something wrong with my iCloud. Because I’ve totally reset my iPhone & watch from a fresh install
I’m all about the metrics. That said, if you normalize things each device is roughly within ~10% of each other. For what matters for most people, battery length aside, there’s a lot of good options out there. Side note, sweat loss as metric will only matter to the 1% of athletes. Even then, following a steady protocol and intuition makes that micro analysis a waste of time.
Apple is most likely factoring the known distance data and route, then giving you that "merged" calculation with what you actually ran, which is cheating. That would explain the straight lines and the "distance". The other watches are giving mostly raw data which is more fair.
I combo the HRM Pro Plus with my Apple Watch Ultra, i get the best of both worlds there, I havent ever seen the orange screen of death... im kidna wondering if you should wipe your phone and watch and NOT do a restore, maybe some config somewhere is busted and keeps restoring. just do icloud syncing to get your messages and photos back... just a suggestion since it seems to happen alot more to you than i think most people.
I have! I’ve wiped both devices twice on Ultra 2 and Ultra 2 black I typically wipe everything once or twice a year (because I break my phone or software crashes it)
For me, as a runner who also wants my watch to serve other functions, I think the Apple Watch (or in my case the Galaxy Watch) makes the most sense. If you were ONLY after a running watch, would that change your decision?
I've been very curious about your HR data. From what your strap calculated compared to wrist watches, there's really not much a difference which leads to my argument that I feel these extra tech for hearts rate aren't really worth it especially if you go by a feel style training
Hello, my english is not perfect, so I have a question: To get the data (speed, distance,..), do the watches (focus on the Fenix) have to be connected to the cell phone or do these data also work without a cell phone? Many thanks in advan
I have Garmin Fenix 7x and Apple Watch 8. I have caught the Apple watch "cheating" at GPS tracking repeatedly. Where I live there are often walking dirt trails that follow along beside streets but are 15-20 ft over from the sidewalk. I've had the Apple Watch repeatedly show me tracking perfectly straight on the sidewalk when I am in fact running on the dirt trail a good distance over from the sidewalk. A video that catches the Apple Watch doing this repeatedly would probably get a lot of attention.
I have the apple 10 watch and im surprised how close your distance and pace was compared with the other watches. If i run 4 miles, my watch only says 3.5 with a longer pace time than my app on my phone says. And yes, it is exactly a 4 mile run. I had the SE watch a few years ago and it did the same thing. Made me feel slower than i actually am. I dont trust it for that. It doesnt matter where i run either. Mostly Im out in the country but have run in towns too and same result.
I have the 10 also. The Ultra 2 has better GPS, I know that for sure. I would love an ULTRA 2, however, when I try it on, it is just too huge on my tiny wrist.
@ I had a Garmin Venue 3 and that was accurate. I use Runkeeper and Strava for the runs. They are both exact. In the country, every road is a mile. My car says it’s a mile as well
Bro is collecting watches like Infinity Stones 😂 Nice video btw enjoyed it
Thanos: finally a worry opponent thus battle will be legendary 😂😅
watch out Avengers, i'm coming for you
@@ShervinShares Interesting. Who actually are the "Avengers of the running world"? I'd assume Goggins would be one of them.
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Great video! By the way, Multi-Band GPS means the device can receive GPS signals via multiple frequency bands, not that they can connect to two satellites (they natively receive signals from all in range). The multiple frequencies help to reduce errors caused by environmental interference. Also, our watches need at least 3 satellites to be able to triangulate location, but often use 4 or more!
The Garmin 255 or even the 55 are all you'll ever need in a running watch. Different story if what you want is a fashion accessory.
for training, i recommend the 965 or 955 since they monitor your training load.
which something i appreciate for beginners
@@adamluthfie7 255 has training load. But if even that is too much for a constrained budget runalyze will give you that and many more metrics for free. No real reason for a beginner to spend over £400+.
This was awesome! Congrats on the Marathon!!🎉
Thank you Dave!! We must run one day soon
Press twice on the action button. With 1 or 2 seconds in between.
Always works for me.
I’d be very interested to see videos regarding Athlytic or Bevel as fitness application.
Keep uploading Shervin!!!
Yes that’s on my list!
@@ShervinShares
Awesome!
HealthFit
Bevel
Athlytic
WorkOutDoors
The ones I use / I used to use.
Can’t wait to watch!
Cheers Shervin!
I love your videos! Keep up the great work!
I’ve owned the Apple Watch Ultra 1 & 2 and now the Ultra in the black version and I only had the orange screen of death one time and I think it was with the Ultra 2 grey titanium one. The battery life is not even close with the Garmin but the gps tracking and heart rate monitor is as good as any sports watch out there.
Lucky you! Only 1 time, it’s happened so many times that I have it on camera quite a few times
You should overlay onto satellite view on Google maps, sometimes the roads are off in that view.
Garmin battery life is fire but I’m gonna get the ultra 2 because of the speakers lol, I don’t wear headphones when I run
Your videos are really satisfying mate !
thank you!
Servin you should do more of lifting based videos and how to track lifts on the apple watch effectively
Also when to do lifts and when to do cardio during the week
I have 1 video on this! What else am I missing?
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Dude! As always… great video! Thank you for making them! I particularly enjoy these type of race / watch performance videos. I also nerd out with the data comparison! Cool stuff! Cheers! 🤘🏼
more data & nerd out videos!
Loved the detailed comparison!!! Would love to see a review on the Amazfit! I’m looking to upgrade and wondering if it’s a good choice overall.
Your latest videos have been awesome. Thank you.
@@ManuelAMartinez thank you - that means a lot!
oh yeah, congrats on the marathon and finishing it with all five watches on! 🎉
Love your content keep it up! I moved away from Garmin to AWU2 black. I just love it. Paired with Athlytic this is the perfect all in one watch
Love to hear it!
Your experience with the AW ultra matches mine. I love it for the smart features, but it is unreliable for serious running. So, I also wear the Coros Pace 3 as a backup!
Cool Test :) just missing the Galaxy watch Ultra. Would have been the perfect competitor to the Apple Watch Ultra 2
next round!
Been rocking my Apple Watch Ultra for my run. Might need to pick up the Garmin during Black Friday
Dig the video! Strong work and thank you!
thank you!
I thought I had it hard testing 4 watches at a time but this is just insane hahaha. Nice one mate, PEACE ✌🏽
im always trying to one up :)
@@ShervinShares 🤣 Love it! Won’t lie.. you’ve inspired me.. so I’m taking 6 watches out on the next 5k 😬
@@ActiveIdeas I see you & raise you to 7 watches at my next marathon 🤣
this is the content that keeps bringing me back to youtube. subscribed.
Thank you 🙏
The Apple Watch Ultra smoothing is interesting because while it’s not “accurate” to the distance your body moves, it is accurate to the distance you are concerned about. In other words, when running a marathon you don’t care about the zig zagging distance you run since the goal is the race length. That’s also why the pacing is more accurate. For example, if I run 400m on a track, I just care about the 400m time and not about any zig zags and the extra few meters I may run (in the case I can’t run straight haha). Great review(s) - really like this kind of video 👍🏾
@@MalcomJones Spot on! Running several marathons the bang on distance-pacing is what you need to hit your goal! Also regarding the track the Apple Watch Ultra is bang on with the track mode (several brands have a different take so many good)
Yes this is such a tough one to pick. Do you go with actual distance data or the distance data that best matches for a race
Even if workouts are off - is it better to run a little more & faster just you’re ready for race day with zig zagging
agree. this means the apple watch ultra algoritm focus on the things that is important.
but then again, if you track this very specific, that also cool
Great video. The math is off for whoever said that marathon majors should be 26.4 miles or greater. An extra 0.1% of 26.2 gives 26.2262, barely a difference in the grand scheme of things. In all likelihood you did run a quarter to a half a mile in excess just with all the weaving around and deviation from the shortest line however.
I want to run with a measuring wheel next time to see my exact distance 😂
18:39 you can tap on the countdown it will start immediately
yes but when you're starting a race you want to make sure GPS is properly acquired and you dont want to tap the screen twice to get a working going - 2 things that Precision Start fixes
@@ShervinShares yea even I too felt that
@@ShervinShares there is a company called BOAT in India kindly test that one too.
Great content man
Man two apple watches but no Galaxy watch 😞
I don’t really run so the Ultra has been great for what I need. Hiking/backpacking/bikepacking along that sweet trail we have all the way to Canada is fairly well tracked through it. Compass/waypoint complication is great for when I wander through the woods. Brothers employee discount also doesn’t hurt lol.
Sister is a runner and definitely prefers the Garmin. If it’s purely for running it’s pretty hard to beat. Battery life is insane on her solar.
Meanwhile our 70yo father running or volunteering in every marathon around the city denies our offers for anything he wants. Wild considering he got us into tech/running/cycling. Man wants the latest iPhones but not a watch when he runs daily smh.
i'm still curious about people in reddit saying "buy HR strap" when you can actually get values from optical sensors from watches nowadays. i mean when they tell that, they tell it like smart watches' HR monitor is soooo bad.
yea. it's not 100% accurate but you get good range on where you're at. i sold my polar H10 monitor a year ago, i get very close values so i don't think it's worth it anymore
For marathon intensity which is steady state it's the optimal conditions for wrist HR, it's only when someone wants to integrate interval training, or some other sports with wrist flexion that strap is then considerably better.
Depending on temperature, how tight you have it, and your skin colour (darker skin blocks the optical sensor more) it ranges from accurate to wildly inaccurate and actually tracking your running steps per minute. Before my most recent watch which is the fenix 7plus with the new hrm, every gps watch I used would not pick up my heart rate accurately at all no matter how tight or loose I have the band in non steady state slow run activities compared to my chest strap
Most of the time it’s not worth it. You’re getting pretty good HR data with modern sensors and small watches
The NYC Marathon looks fun. I am going to join next year! :)
SO MUCH FUN! highly recommend
Congrats on the marathon! Really interested to see more on the core sensor, especially if you have a way to make it work with the Apple Watch
Great video and must’ve taken allot of work in addition to running a marathon!!! Congrats dude!!
Thank you!!
You should do an ultra marathon or triathlon! Youre a beast!
Iron Man coming soon?! I want to sub3 the marathon first!
Nice one Shervin
Ty!
Just awsome to find other fitness data freaks out there 😂 Great vid!!
thank you!
Great video. Congrats!
I believe Garmin and Apple use different formulas for running power, but they're internally consistent.
Elevation I believe has issues due to the bridge sections
What do you think bridges causes to the elevation?
You are literally the only person I know that gets the orange screen problem on your AWU 😂
Thanks for the vids Shervin! Great help in my running journey.
thank you for commenting!
Nice to see that these watches mostly align with numbers here. I would have no problem getting an amazefit vs a $1200 watch.
It’s crazy the value you can get
I love this kind of experiment
Bro u nailed it !
awesome video really ! need to get my first watch, i do mostly trail (training and racing) and some HM with elevation too! never too flat :p
so for me elevation need to be accurate, but when i compare it's crazy for my brain that's they cant have accurate metrics on official races in 2024 watches. as u said well 'a fitness tracker' yeah just to have some numbers but dont think too much about it since not one is fully accurate on distance and elevation, so all the datas r "wrong" with the algorithms.
When i see that i m like i should just keep my strava premium account and still run with my iphone. strava is way less accurate than watch ? since they use the tech of a phone (better than a watch) im like maybe not that mucH?
so yeah i guess when u have one, u have one u dont care anymore :) but for a first choice i dunno where to go! i have in my mind a garmin, pace pro or suunto race (s)
if u have any advice im ready to listen and understand, thanks again for this top vid !
Your videos are always great and congrats on your NYC marathon run. Love my AW ultra for running outdoors and it is very consistent . I usually just tap the screen during the 3,2,1 countdown to get instant start. where I don't like it is running on the treadmill indoors. I have never been able to get it to even come close to the treadmill time. it always falls behind. frustrating.
AW Ultra allows you to turn on Precision Start! It’s only the Series watches that do not support it
I love data. It's so satisfying.
@@EBoone503 #satisfying for sure
I came here to see the heart rate accuracy of the fenix 8 and it was on your hand lol
hahaha fenix 8 vs AWU2 coming soon!
Great video! Just be mindful that the Pace Pro’s multi-band capability has been turned off by Coros whilst they’re fixing a bug.
Thanks for the info!
Again very good video! Thanks! I have the apple watch ultra and always look at the fenix 8 for road cycling. Im just not sure if I can make the switch. Oh, and by the way, precision start on the apple watch is just a toggle you can activate...
It’s only a toggle on the Ultra! Not available on Series
Very cool comparison Shervin! Thanks for putting in the work to get all this data. Wouldn't the distance of Apple Watch Ultra 2 be least likely to be correct given the amount of weaving required in the race? Doesn't seem too likely that is only .06 miles over an entire marathon. It would seem the other distances, which were all very close, are more likely to be correct. Great video! 💪🏃
Yes it all depends on how you want to define “correct” if compared directly to my chip distance. AWU2 was correct. If we’re not using that & going by “true” distance. Then it might not be correct
I’ve been waiting for this video 😂😂😂
wooo
Excellent content!
Thank you!
Nice work with this
Happy training
Thank you!
I'm not surprised the HR data was off with your sweat band being under the side of the watches.
I tried to make sure it wasn’t underneath the watches. Just kept them far enough apart for GPS accuracy
Nice overview. It would be great to see you run this with the Coros footpod also to see if/how it affects distance :)
And Stryd foot pod! Great idea
@@ShervinShares My own observation with the Coros footpod is it significantly improves accuracy. I'm seeing surreal accuracy on the treadmill.
Would love to see you do a trail running Ultramarathon.
oh nooo... i guess next challenge. Leadville 100
Nice video 🙂 Yes cold you please test Amazfit t rex 3 more.
yes coming soon!
Wouldn't Garmin use more battery because it has been connected to chest strap instead using its own sensor? Congratulations on the run and video. Great work
Great content.
Thank you!!
Yo, any plans of making a more in depht review of the Fenix 8 amoled?
yes coming soon!
I was going to get the H10 chest strap. I guess I should forgo it, since your watch 10was nearly spot on. I have the 9. Thoughts? I have wandered if the pacing is correct though. When I run at what should be the same pace as what's clocked on the watch (for zone 2) on the treadmill, I have a much harder time keeping my heart rate low. From your results, I guess there must be something else going on. The watch 10 wasn't significantly off in your data.
I think you have too much time on your hands 👍😁
FUNNIEST COMMENT. Your wit is unmatched
I'm just getting back into running and I'm looking for a somewhat budget watch with good GPS and HRM and the Huawei Watch GT 5 caught my attention. Could you do a review for this?
GPS devices can interfere with each other if they are in close proximity. This can happen due to **GPS jamming**, where GPS signals are overwhelmed by unknown signals, leading to inaccurate or incomplete locations. So, devices that are close to each other can cause interference and affect accuracy. And not just your waches on your arms. There were lots of waches from other runners...
Great video. I actually find the trail loop on the Apple Watch Ultra to be the worst band for collecting data. The standard sport loops do a better job for me. Think it’s the width of the titanium lugs that push the band wider on my wrist. When I first got my ultra I was like it’s not great at reading heart rate but for me it’s actually this band style.
Interesting! Maybe I’ll have to test the sport loop!
@3:14 the commenter messed up the math. They added 1% to the distance (multiplied by a factor of 1.01). The actual USATF guidance is 0.1% (AKA a safety factor of 1.001). So an actual marathon is about 42 meters longer than the official 26.22 distance (roughly 26.25 miles), not the 420 meters as their comment suggested.
Thx for clarifying! I kind of want to run a marathon with a measuring wheel next time
Have you looked into the Stryd Pod? I just purchased one, would be interested to see your perspective on it.
I have one! I do need to make a video about it
The funny thing is, I would say it's safe to say all if not mass majority of runners and also viewers of this video period are not Pros. The fact that by your data the ultra 2 was only 3 seconds off shows how little the count down style actually matters overall. Pair that with the fact the apple watch is a much better smart watch period compared to the rest, I would say for most runners they should go for the apple watch ultra if they have an iphone.
Is it easy to go from Apple watches to a Garmin?
easy to adapt to ?
Thinking of switching..
Thanks for the video and congrats on another marathon finish!
There is a small learning curve. But after a week it’s easy to switch
I recently did it - then back to apple for a week... and went back to garmin within that week... Garmin is amazing at fitness tracking
@ thank you!
Dude, great video! thanks for creating this, and showing the differences between these watches.
I have to ask I just used the Apple Watch Ultra 2 on a hike up in the Appalachian mountains three days 30 miles and walking over known distances the Apple Watch each day 10 miles a day seem to be about a mile to a mile and a half greater distance than what was actual ... do you think the tracking poles made a difference versus just walking with the watch on my normal stride on my body? And does anybody know if there’s a trekking mode in the Apple Watch to ultra settings?
Congrats on the race! Did you wear your Oura ring? If so, how did it perform?
I did not as I was scared I might lose it since I was already wearing so many things. Maybe next big run!
Regarding the Apple Watch Ultra 2… to achieve the most accurate heart rate (HR) readings, as close as possible to the Polar H10, I tried two bands: the Trail Loop and the Ocean Band. The Trail Loop is a soft, very comfortable band, but it causes more movement while running compared to the Ocean Band, which is stiffer yet still fairly comfortable and stays more securely on the wrist. This results in less movement that could interfere with HR accuracy. Therefore, I’ve found the Ocean Band to be much better suited for the AWU2 (which is heavier than the AW10) to obtain a more accurate HR.
Interesting! Maybe I’ll do an Apple Watch band HR test
uhm, you could put the chest strap on the watch you have on your hand. Trex2 should support external sensors. In this way you could check HR measurement of all other devices.
Out of curiosity do you know how big your wrist is. I'm considering the Fenix 8, not many stores here have any in stock so I need to order it. Is it noticable bigger than the Apple Watch Ultra 2?
My wrist is approx 172mm
You can turn precision start on and use the action button to start when ready.
Not on Series 10!!
You said the same for the ultra . It works for me just fine
@@ShervinSharesneed to enable it in settings
The 3-2-1 on the Apple Watch can be over written by just double tapping the screen 😂. I’m surprised soo many ppl don’t know this and actually wait for the count down
Dude. I’ve heard you complain about precision start on regular Apple Watch and non action button starts multiple times. If you tap the screen as the countdown starts, it immediately starts the workout. You don’t have to wait on the countdown.
It’s not the same!! I want to see that GPS signal is acquire and I want to start the workout without looking at the screen (and tapping twice on the screen)
Not ideal for the start of a race or start of a run with a group
Review that Trex!
Regarding the garmin fenix 8 you can set no notifications under the activity run profile. Dude I don’t know how uou ran with all those watches lol. I just tried to finish well. Also set reminders during the race to eat.
I do it for you haha. Also I did a few runs with it before to get comfortable
Interesting. I’ve had an Apple Watch Ultra 1 since it came it came out. I’ve never had the “orange screen” issue. I do a 200-250 runs a year
That’s good info, idk why I keep getting it. Maybe too many devices or something wrong with my iCloud. Because I’ve totally reset my iPhone & watch from a fresh install
Shervin you're the man! I love your channel -- watched a bunch of your cold plunge content. Congrats on the marathon! (-Sveinn from AppFolio days :)
Great one 🏃♂️ so if I Run New York someday it will be on my right arm 😅
Hahahaha
I’m all about the metrics. That said, if you normalize things each device is roughly within ~10% of each other.
For what matters for most people, battery length aside, there’s a lot of good options out there.
Side note, sweat loss as metric will only matter to the 1% of athletes. Even then, following a steady protocol and intuition makes that micro analysis a waste of time.
Coros i like
COROS is nice
17:54 maybe the bug got transferred from previous backups. Maybe restore it and give it a fresh setup.
The Apple Watches are shocking good with battery life. I mean 83% against 60% is not a huge deal. Apple seems to improve a lot
Apple is most likely factoring the known distance data and route, then giving you that "merged" calculation with what you actually ran, which is cheating. That would explain the straight lines and the "distance". The other watches are giving mostly raw data which is more fair.
Yes they’ll all run algorithms on the raw GPS signal. So they’re interpreting it in different ways too
Will the amazfit trex 3 doing good with those expensive watches. I think its a good choice and it saves a good amount of money 🙌🏽 it looks good too 👍🏻
Surprisingly great, esp for its price!
I combo the HRM Pro Plus with my Apple Watch Ultra, i get the best of both worlds there, I havent ever seen the orange screen of death... im kidna wondering if you should wipe your phone and watch and NOT do a restore, maybe some config somewhere is busted and keeps restoring. just do icloud syncing to get your messages and photos back... just a suggestion since it seems to happen alot more to you than i think most people.
I have! I’ve wiped both devices twice on Ultra 2 and Ultra 2 black
I typically wipe everything once or twice a year (because I break my phone or software crashes it)
Congratulations on the marathon Shervin. More power to you
Thank you so much!
Review the Fenix 8!
video is being edited!!
Why did you use the Galaxy Ultra watch? You used two apple watches. I would have loved seeing how the Ultras did.
Next experiment!
I’m curious why you didn’t compare the Whoop given you had the data available? Apologies if I missed the explanation in the video.
i briefly compared the HR data, but that was the only data that is specific to WHOOP. everything else was pulled in from Apple Health
For me, as a runner who also wants my watch to serve other functions, I think the Apple Watch (or in my case the Galaxy Watch) makes the most sense.
If you were ONLY after a running watch, would that change your decision?
Yes Apple Watch is the best everyday + running watch. If you’re using it just for runs I’d pick one of the running watches
It is a good idea video!
thank you! Inspired by HellaGood
I've been very curious about your HR data. From what your strap calculated compared to wrist watches, there's really not much a difference which leads to my argument that I feel these extra tech for hearts rate aren't really worth it especially if you go by a feel style training
Yes optical sensor in most watches have gotten pretty good
please test out the euduro that’s the watch for everyone….4life
Hello, my english is not perfect, so I have a question: To get the data (speed, distance,..), do the watches (focus on the Fenix) have to be connected to the cell phone or do these data also work without a cell phone? Many thanks in advan
Can’t you just click anywhere on your screen during the countdown to skip counting and start workout? On Apple
I have Garmin Fenix 7x and Apple Watch 8. I have caught the Apple watch "cheating" at GPS tracking repeatedly. Where I live there are often walking dirt trails that follow along beside streets but are 15-20 ft over from the sidewalk. I've had the Apple Watch repeatedly show me tracking perfectly straight on the sidewalk when I am in fact running on the dirt trail a good distance over from the sidewalk. A video that catches the Apple Watch doing this repeatedly would probably get a lot of attention.
Interesting! I need to find a place like this to go test this on
does it affect somehow data collection when wearing watch on a hand instead of wrist?
I have the apple 10 watch and im surprised how close your distance and pace was compared with the other watches. If i run 4 miles, my watch only says 3.5 with a longer pace time than my app on my phone says. And yes, it is exactly a 4 mile run. I had the SE watch a few years ago and it did the same thing. Made me feel slower than i actually am. I dont trust it for that. It doesnt matter where i run either. Mostly Im out in the country but have run in towns too and same result.
I have the 10 also. The Ultra 2 has better GPS, I know that for sure. I would love an ULTRA 2, however, when I try it on, it is just too huge on my tiny wrist.
What other watches are you comparing them to? Or apps that you’re using to track on other devices?
@ I had a Garmin Venue 3 and that was accurate. I use Runkeeper and Strava for the runs. They are both exact. In the country, every road is a mile. My car says it’s a mile as well
@ I need to come out there and do some testing!
Hey. I am inspired to run a marathon. I have an Apple Watch Ultra 2. What is the best app that you used to track all of your runs?
I use the native Workout app on the apple watch
i have a corospace3
nice function watch
If my watch tells me my marathon distance = course distance, then the watch is wrong. Course assume apex turns, shortest route. Most are 26.5 mi
Yes most likely!