The Problem With The "Whoniverse"
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Recently there's been a lot of talk about Doctor Who spinoffs. From UNIT adventures to animated anthologies, everyone has an idea of what spinoffs would work, but today I wanted to talk about how the "Whoniverse" could easily slip up and not fulfill the potential it actually has.
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The opportunity for the greatest ever spinoff has sadly past: Wilf with a Paintgun
Tagline: “it’s them aliens again I’ll bet my pension!”
I misread this as "Wilf with a Penguin" and imagined him travelling around with Frobisher
They honestly should’ve released it during the Moffat era, so we could still get something made by RTD during that period.
where is nathan gibson? is he safe? is he alright?
This is a very important question, I also need to know
I don't need sleep I need answers.
@Midtable1881 I don't need sleep I need Nathan Gibson
It seems in your lack of support, you killed him..
Also Boots. I liked Boots 😊
For some time now, I have thought the Shadow Proclamation could provide a perfect jump-off point for a spin-off. Exploring the machinations of this mysterious group is fertile soil.
They could make a horror spin off where random characters encounter aliens from doctor who(or new aliens or maybe just not aliens) and it’s proper scary.
I think a good spin off has links to the original program but it can stand up on its own to a extent you might not know its even a spin off. Frasier is actually a good example of this where it stood up on its own despite it being a spinoff.
You could even do a spinoff from a episode showing the aftermath of the Doctor's interference cause obviously those episodes universe keep going afterwards. You could even have the doctor's interference leading to a fixed point like the runaway green house effect for Venus
This is what I think Torchwood did perfectly, until Miracle Day (which I still think is great, despite the consensus).
I always think of NCIS and JAG. I always forget NCIS (the original not all the different NCIS: Insert City) is a Spinoff.
Already suggested it on X, but I would love to see a survival horror spin-off about the original crew of the ship in Wild Blue Yonder
Oh, yes!
Doctor who theoretically should be the easiest concept to make a universe for. Not only have you got the whole universe to play with but the entire length of time too. Why not have TV series’ that take time establishing and getting to know different society’s in different locations and times over more than one episode and not just one like we get in the main show
I demand a Horrible Histories type edu-tainment programme with Strax and the Time Shark
The problem is that all the interesting factions are too Doctor dependent. A universe is about the factions that make it up.
For example, Fallout has the Brotherhood, Vaulttech, Enclave, NCR etc.
Star Wars has the Republic, Jedi, Rebellion and Empire etc.
ASOIAF: has the Targaryens, Starks, Lannisters etc.
These universes can tell spinoffs because their faction has its own history and goals that have interesting stories to tell.
Doctor Who, in contrast, has the Daleks, Cybermen, Timelords and Santurans. These factions barely interact with each other. And when they do, they stories aren't compelling enough to tell great stories.
@@chase0300the Daleks and the Cybermen actually have a pretty interesting relationship considering their goals and idels, a one season show about a decent scale war between the two would be great
Note, non of these spin-offs have to be necessarily long lasting….but with so much to possibly be told, it seems like such a waste to hold off all these ideas for a DW episode specifically
I would like to see an anthology style show about how differnt time lords discovered the asteroid of house
I have an idea for a Dalek spin off that is set on an enter different planet. With the first series basically being the lead up to the Dalek invasion of the planet. Seeing this species literally going to have to defend their enter way of existence against the Daleks. Knowing that every episode they move ever closer. Then at the end of the episode before the final the Daleks arrive. Then the final is basically the Daleks conquering them. Seeing the people of this world desperately trying to hold them off but to no hope.
What makes it even more tragic. Knowing from the first episode that they lose. Because that doesn't make it, will they lose. It makes it when they will lose.
Also already thought of the characters I want for it.
Looking for to the David Attenborough documentary style spinoff which goes through the multiple species, their homes & histories
"And here we find the feral Dalek, in its natural habitat of Skaro..."
Like Ben 10 started doing 😭 absolutely loved it
Planet New Earth.
I do see the potential for spin offs, it just depends on story and where they take it. I don't mind how they did it for Star Wars, but I don't think it would work for DW. I do like that Time Agent idea, mini series maybe? There is so much potential for the world of Doctor WHO
I literally just started rewatching Eureka a few days ago, didn't expect that to crop up here lol
I think all your ideas for spinoffs are pretty cool ones- I especially like the one with the early Timelord cast going on adventures ala Star Trek- maybe discovering Earth. Also the idea of the Walking Dead with Cybermen is pretty neat too.
Walking Dead with Cybermen is never something I thought I needed but goddamn I do
Basically The Doctor Falls but with more of a Cyberman focus, god I want that
I agree with you, Harbo.
If people can be invested in an Earth that is completely unrecognizable being invaded by Cephelopod robots (Mass Effect 3) people can be invested in a slightly different looking Earth.
Please if there is a God let there be a Jo Martin’s Fugitive Doctor spinoff.
So much potential there - imagine all the CIA / Division missions we could see.
Oh, that would be interesting.
I feel that's probably the most different 'Doctor Who but a bit different' concept you can have, where she's under the thumb of Time Lord agents, and the setting being a Dark Times universe where the fundamental forces and history itself have yet to be set in stone. Could be very strange.
Tbh a lot of people had watched The Sarah Jane Adventures without having ever watched Doctor Who which was really cool and the whole premise being ‘Life on earth can be an adventure too’ for the target audience was lovely and being able to envision real aliens walking on a normal street was great for the imagination. The present day Earth is a nice way for people to connect with the show because of its familiarity with the added sci-fi fun.
No point having a spin offs with earth-shattering events if its never canon. Didn't Torchwood once stop everyone on earth from dying which got ignored forever? Didn't the moon nearly crash into Earth, and every single person on Earth once dissapear in the Sarah Jane Adventures and there were no ramifications at all?
After then 6th alien invasion you stop being fazed by it.
If theres ever a spin-off 'team', they need to have an episode where the Doctor is the 'monster of the week', but ofc to his undisclosed perspective he's the hero as usual, (airing the same episode in the main show from the doctor's point-of-view), where the doctor lands on a planet, which has a big bad government figure, but during the story someone sends out a distress beacon, which calls the spin-off gang to the same location to deal with the big villain, the doctor. So both parties spend the story fighting one another til communication between the two parties saves the day before the inevitable teamup to defeat the proper villain or something
Andor is a great example, no one was asking for it and yet it's one of the best thing to come out of star wars
Consider: breaking bad but about the new earth medical stickers
The idea that did come up in discussion, I think including Russell T Davies actually, was that we could even see antagonist spin-offs. Specifically, for me, the idea someone had for a Daleks spin off. Even if just a single series, it means we could just stop bringing them back constantly in every series. Explore their development fully, maybe even have the series be a deep dive into Davros's journey of creating the terrifying creatures.
Something like that would be interesting, and would work. Look at Suicide Squad! The first was a flop for many, but the remake is often praised, and it's literally a movie where antagonists have to become the protaganists. The Dalek show could end with the Daleks having to do something similar - like how in Asylum of the Daleks when they needed the Doctor to help them.
Just. Something different, and frankly, there is some amazing opportunities in the Whoniverse to explore - proved already by the genius of Big Finish and their brilliant concepts for the audiobook series for the show
I personally would love a sabalom glitz Spin-off or spin-offs who are truly deep in the canon, like a spin-off about Faction paradox.
On the concern about “needing to watch absolutely everything to understand the next thing,” I kinda just don’t think that’s something that needs to be worried about - or at least not nearly as much as it’s brought up.
I’m not saying I don’t sympathize with viewers worrying about it - I’ve worried about that too in tons of franchises. But as someone who recently has gotten into comics, my main message to people concerned about that is: it really *is* ok to not know everything - you’ll probably still enjoy the new thing, and now you just know of something else you might enjoy later, too.
Of course there are examples of specific stories not done well, but I really think audiences, directors, writers, etc., need to learn that it’s ok to not know everything all the time. Writers have to trust their audiences and audiences have to trust the writers to explain *enough.*
Of course said trust can be broken and sometimes must be earned, but I just want to urge people that the way this sort of concern is so often presented is just overblown.
a inside no.9 style anthology show would be cool every episode different ability to explore every monster and species you want and every location
You could use the trap street from the Capaldi era with Me helping the alien refugees which could bring some interesting stories.
Other than the earth centric space police/ detective show, I think the simplest is to take an idea or concept from the show and make sure the Doctor isn't involved. The Cybermen zombie story is a great example. Take an overused villain or monster and tell the story without the Doctor. Many of these would probably work as self contained seasons but others as multi season epics.
What I personally want is a Space Western like Cowboy Bebop or Firefly or Trigun.
What was wrong with Mork and Mindy? It had precious little to do with Happy Days when it got started, and without it, no Robin Williams. It was his breakout role. Bloomin' cheek! 😉
a spin-off on the 1000 year war on Skaro would be great.
I really hope that there's a wide variety of spinoffs if we get them, but something tells me we're going to get a repeat of the so-called 'glory days' and with disney's involvement, I can also see it lended in with the mcu-style cinematic universes which is defo the wrong thing to do with dr who, but studios sometimes focus on trends instead of what's best for the show. idk, the longer it's been the more I worry about rtd as the showrunner again. but on a more positive note, I think a spinoff based on dorian maldovar and his spaceport-bar could be really good. it has a central location that's a set, and it's easy enough to create other settings - just like the main show, in a way - and it's not earth-centric. it also is a seedy place so inserting tension wouldn't be hard no matter the plot, and it's got the opportunity to be so loosely connected to the main show since who remembers this one character and location from a couple of episodes that aired thirteen years ago and frankly had much more interesting things going on in them to boot!
Ive always wanted a show about jamie in the 17th centuray akind to game of thrones. Or a show set on mondas before the cybermen.
We need a show about a Dalek going through space on wacky hijinks where every episode ends with him violently exterminating everyone he met during that episode. This would be a comedy spinoff, of course.
Maybe not a full series of Cult of Skaro sitcoms, but one episode in an anthology. Imagine that!
Ok. Spinoff pitch time: a-catch-me-if-you-can syle limited series set in a small town witness relocation site where everyone lives under an alias for safety reasons following one if the zygons that live on Earth. For the tiniest bit of fan service, you can have them using the form of a former companion to get an fan favorite actress/actor back.
9:20 an UNIT mockumentary mini series actually sounds like a fun idea if done well. I don't think it would work for a multi series show but maybe 4/6 not too long episodes. Focusing on the lowest rank employees posible, no high stakes at all, just some people doing paperwork and having to clean up and make up covers after alien invasions
Saying UNIT just because it's an already stablished organisation but honestly a completely made up one would work too. That one is just an easy tie to the original show without having to make it too explicit.
Also more mini series like children of earth would be good. And have it have big impact like the Doctor coming back after type of event have unit changing and being brutal and more authoritarian. Then have the doctor lead us to a better future
I think the what will happen is that they'll start with Space Cops shows, then maybe push into other genres and styles. As much as we all we don't really want that. Its a safe choice.
Loved the shoutout to the RCU as a massive Remedy Enterainment Fan, the RCU is really how you do a Connected Universe (granted there's only like 4 games in the RCU, more if you include Quantum Break and Max Payne). I feel like a good project needs to be a self contained within the larger universe.
I don't mind 1 spinoff like for UNIT that is what we expect, but I want at least 2 other shows that shake things up. I have vowed to never watch another police procedural, so I really don't want another Torchwood. It was ok, but no, that time has passed. An Anthology series focusing on random in universe species and places would be really fun.
I would really like for Verada's character to be from a far future Earth Colony with a setting like Blade Runner meets Andor or Firefly. Perhaps she's from a group of adventurers and decides she needs a break and goes with the Doctor, while we can pick up with rest of her crew in a spinoff of epic (unrelated to most of DW) proportions.
Wow I'd love to see a Weeping Angel horror movie. Does anyone remember that Zygon movie from a few decades ago?
I think my biggest personal issue with a "Whoniverse" extends to this "universe" concept. Or more specifically the need to market it as one super interconnected thing.
Personally i think Doctor who would be so much better off doing the same thing Star Trek does. SNW, Discovery, Picard, LD, Prodigy are all in the same universe but remain seperate. You dont need to watch a specific set of 3-6 episodes of Disco to watch Lowerdecks. The closest the modern shows have come to this requiremnet is SNW, but even then SNW does so much to allow the audience to realise, oh Pike has been through this thing and they dont need to watch discovery s2 for it.
So if i had to ask for one doctor who show, itd be a 6-8 episode shwo following the 24 years on Durilliam. Capaldi and river moving through time and space on their last bout. I doubt any of these characters have the ability to stand still in one place for 24 years anyway.
If people really want past Doctor's as well
you could do the War Doctor Degenerated into an older 8th Doctor fighting the Time War Temporarily
Doctor Who/Torchwood/Sarah Jane Adventures What If whether it be animated, live action or both
if you really want 14 back then have him trapped on another planet or in a completely new era/location with No Sonic or Tardis so it's still the 14th Doctor and he's still saving the day but it's a new way of doing it
The Cult off Skarro sitcom might've been a joke but I would watch it 😅
pond life sit com spin off would be fucking great
Did you just call ‘Mork and Mindy’ “Pretty awful” ?! 😮
how dare you sir! It’s a comedy classic! (I say having not seen an episode in about 30 years)
The problem with the Whoniverse is If the core show is not solid and very popular, any spin-offs are spin-offs from something that is on shaky legs. Rather than all the focus on the potential for a wider universe, RTD should really have focused on absolutely nothing but getting the core show right. You can't build your castles on a foundation of dust. And you can't commit money to the production of spin-offs from a show that is still in need of a second wind of growing popularity in its own right. Hints of possible spin-offs further down the road during the build-up to the launch of season 1 as they decided to call it, yeah, maybe that. Heavy-Handedly promoting an entire universe of spin-offs in an era when Star Trek, Star Wars, and the MCU, have all fallen foul of the pitfalls of trying to create shared universes seems more than short-sighted, it seems wilfully blindfolding yourself to the way the wind is blowing for the entire concept of shared universes.
Ultimately, the core show offers infinite possibilities, And focusing on that unique selling point above all else and exploiting that selling point above all else should have been the way to go. Maybe during the core show concepts that could provide a spin-off could be incorporated into the stories and have a tryout. Improvise the opportunity to have the audience ask for more. It seems a massive folly to announce plans for spin-off shows for interest in the court show has been properly rekindled
I still want a Strax spinoff.
Can we j get an overarching szn villain or the trixter plz, like I want spin-offs to, but I just want a good season with a story that goes from start to finish
I think you're right but then I feel, and this is my own opinion, I feel like the Doctor Who universe doesn't really have a consistent vibe like for example STAR Wars or even MCU? I can't really explain what I mean but it feels so all over the place so a spin-off that's more far off from DW would feel almost complete unconnected? I don't know I feel the lore is just too shallow somehow. But I would enjoy a time agent thing but then not like in doctor who where they only ever fight aliens in the past but real time travel shenanigans.
I think the problem we have is that audiences like the familiar. That’s why shows like Law and Order or CSI and Even Game of Thrones are popular. Truth is different doesn’t necessarily mean good. I think some good “What if “ quality animation for former Doctors could work, if it’s done like the short trips novels. Also there was a fantastic story from the 90’s about a cyberman from the future who looks human and is send back into time to contemporary earth. Imagine a show featuring this character but done in the style of the old Incredible Hulk tv series. No alien bad guys all human scum bags out smarted by a good future cyberman. (A bit terminator I know). I did have an idea about a troop of rogue dishonored Sontarans on the run from their own people. All they want to do is to left alone but get dragged into helping other Aliens as they’re trying to find a new safe home.
The only problem with spinoffs is the lack there of.
The perfect spin off for me would be a shadow proclamation spin off that is similar to ncis
This show would not go any where near earth nor would it feature characters from the main show how ever charters from this new spin could end up in the main show
I gotta be honest, and avoid some pitchforks, but I despised Class from the first episode, and I grew to loathe Torchwood after a while as it just became such a downer at every turn (despite good drama). For me, you need a few things to launch a successful who spin-off:
#1 a compelling lead, someone preferably established in Who, but not necessarily a huge named star. See: Bernice Summerfield and how River was expanding early on.
#2: Familiar elements. Part of why Class never worked for me was they missed perfect opportunities like having one of the cast tie in closer to an existing Who creation (IE: 1 is a zygon, or a time displaced survivor of a previous adventure, etc.). The show shouldn't be structured entirely around this, but make good use of the ideas that exist in the universe already where appropriate.
#3: It needs to be distinct from Who but not go so far as to alienate fans. Torchwood was the butt of much criticism early on for how juvenile the "mature" part of the show was at first, where as SJA was well received even though it skewed towards a young audience.
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I am just the most annoyed at the fact that I will only be able to enjoy the first episode of the new series and will miss half of it cus I will be on a tech free adventure holiday in Canada for most of May.
Id like set on another world, or time and have maybe on alien or something but a random story where people dont know the dr
Have to say Mork and Mindy was brilliant.
I know it goes completely against the point of the video, but i really want an 8th doctor spin-off
well since DOCTOR WHO is going more of a fantasy show apparently
the ideas for spinoffs are going to be limited
Dick wolf?
You mean like BAD WOLF?!
part on me loved the older who spinoffs but ngl the disney-marvelfication of it all makes me cringe for future spinoffs
But if a unit spinoff is just a military cop show
The Arrowverse is a great source for inspiration.
one word, Jenny
Are you attending the proms?
I have an idea of a UNIT spinoff series(it’s not in the way you expect):
UNIT: GREYHOUND
this show would revolve around a young Colonel named Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart joining a new organization called UNIT dealing with rising alien threats and extraterrestrial activities. It would also be about Alistair struggling to live up to his family legacy and honor.
You need to watch The Web of Fear.
@@mayotango1317the show would be set WAY before “The Web of Fear”
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Tbf a spin off for kids ef Shara jane, doctor who for everyone and abult like torchwood
My suggestion? Make a totally new show don't even mention its from doctor who and then in like the second or third last episode you reveal the big bad who we haven't seen is a doctor who canon alien
Doctor Who: 2099
To be honest and in my opinion I don’t think that doctor who should spin off the last spin off that was made was class and I thought was awful and it has put me off doctor who spin off shows
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I thought the series count was resetting?
Well not in fans' hearts plus its season 40 to be precise.
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Spin offs that would be real cool would be limited series examining the specific worlds of enemies. A "Saving Private Ryan" type of show would be awesome in exmaning the Daleks. Showcase why the daleks are so scary, and not to sound moody, but introduce characters to kill off, Rogue One style, to really show how powerful the Daleks are and show that these are enemies not to be messed with. Or do a "Last of Us" type show exploring the apocalyptic aftermath of mass upgrading to cybermen. The characters dont need to be heroes, but be eyes to explore the villains and threats.
The cybermen are a type of zombie (in my opinion), so, yeah, that could be interesting.
Why would you want limited series when you could have the same show but with multiple series? Don't stop at one, milk the thing.
Maybe we need to do some kind of fundraiser and donate as Nathan Gibson to restore his honour.
I think the Sarah Jane Adventures is a good example for future spin offs. That show could easily stand on its own.
It kinda did tbh I knew alot of kids back at school who loved the show and either didn't know anything about doctor who or just didn't watch it
100% agree! It definitely stands on its own
@@SkuldugWhat did they think when the Tenth Doctor, the Eleventh Doctor, the Brigadier, a Sontaran, Slitheen, Judoon, the Graske, and Jo Grant all showed up across the show's run?
They probably weren't affected by it since they didn't understand the references
You've got so many good ideas! Personally I just want a Torchwood revival as that show still has so much potential. And I want the Doctor to actually appear in it.
Also Joe's video is brilliant too. The Andor praise is deserved.
_Mork and Mindy_ wasn't any more awful than _Happy Days,_ I have to say, and was Robin Williams' breakout role.
Just a side note: (I'm sure you don't mention this because it's outside your theme here, but) Freema Agyeman was on _Law & Order: UK._
I think I have to watch _Class_ now.
Interesting video.
i never said this before or thinked about this but what about a younger master spin off starring milo parker or Alexander molony ,and we see the experience about growing up in gallifrey since his point of view ,and also his start of darkness ,implied about how it happened but never really explained,i mean how him and the doctor became enemies in the first place
The inner wishful fan in me would love a limited mini series starring Paul McGanng either leading up to the time war or the end of his life.
Or something like an animated what if style show that could include a mix of the classic/modern/previous spin-off shows as a bases for it's what if stories.
Yeah, I always was a bit annoyed when people would forget about the previous aliens that had been in the news in universe.
Dalek Invasion Of Earth - a drama that looks at the invasion before the Doctor turned up.
or Dalek Empire: dark action sci-fi, humans vs daleks
ah cool, weve never seen what a dalek invasion of Earth would look like :0
I loved the big finish dalek empire series tbh
I think Doctor Who series 4 did this approach to spin offs and crossing over well.
The Stolen Earth and Journey's End are one hell of a two parter that has The Sarah Jane Adventures along with Torchwood to crossover into the main series. Characters and elements from each spin-off it utilized as a means of helping the Doctor against the greatest threat the Daleks have ever posed.
However, it also involves aspects that few wouldn't be able to catch on quickly. I hadn't seen The Sarah Jane Adventures since it never made it to the States as far as I know. However, I knew that Sarah Jane was still investigating alien phenomenon as "School Reunion" showed. Of course, she'd have a supercomputer in her attic. I also assumed that Luke was a boy she adopted before learning his origins in "Invasion of the Bane."
Kind of wish we saw Maria and Clyde when Luke called them with their actors on the sets of their homes. Maybe have them gawk at the Daleks from afar and hold on as the Earth is towed back. Maybe a cameo of Rani if they felt bold enough to promote SJA Series 2.
Torchwood, on the other hand, I had seen in full before Series 4 and as such, I was able to appreciate some nods to the spin off such as Gwen calling her husband, Rhys, or telling Ianto that she'd rather go down fighting like Owen and Tosh.
However, I wouldn't have needed to have seen the spin off since I'd have known that Jack had a team in his sect of Torchwood since Series 3. We're just meeting them in the main series proper.
Additionally, we don't need to know about Rhys to understand that Gwen's calling her loved ones during this worldwide crisis. "Owen" and "Tosh" are easy to identify as previous members of Torchwood that had died in their dangerous line of work. Their two seasons of adventures are just self-contained enough to be basically backstory for them.
As such, Series 4's finale feels less like you had to have seen both spin-off to understand and more like they pique your interest in them. What was Jack up to during Series 3 and 4? What's going on with Sarah Jane these days?
That's really what the new Whoniverse should take a cue from. The Main Series crossing over with the spin-off should have us feeling less like we missed out and more like, "Cool, I know what I'm putting on my watch list ASAP."
Thanks for confirming that Remedy is indeed based. I love their games xD
A parallel universe for example were we follow a team of characters who correct an event that was changed by the Doctor in his “timelord victorious era” and this pushes him over the edge and you do a limited series of this team of characters getting hunted by a relentless,cold blooded ego driven Doctor from a horror perspective.
Another you could do a Game of Thrones style show with Galifrey as the setting and could have the odd cameo from a young Doctor, Master or Rassilon.
Last option off of the top of my head would be a Doctor Who universe version of the suicide squad. Could have a team of different aliens, creatures, robots etc we’ve seen over the years being controlled by one of the many corporations we’ve seen based in universe and could set that in space giving the opportunity to travel to diverse planets and settings and different run ins with old characters or places previously been established.
Give it three Gatwa episodes in, then you'll know if there's any real chance of spinoffs, or a "Whoniverse". The new series has to make the show mainstream television again, before anyone will be greenlighting any substantial spinoff.
Incidentally a good way of keeping the older fans who are less enamoured of the new more child-friendly, fantasy Doctor Who is some form of darker spinoff, like Angel was to Buffy,
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Shut the front door.......did you call Mork & Mindy a bad show?
You're lucky that isn't enough for me to give this video a thumbs down, but I'm wondering about your judgement at this point Mr. Wholmes.
I would watch a show about the goblins attacking another planet. We’ve seen other planets with full societies, and how would they handle their own invasions without the Doctor.
Just want a dalek cookery show, "WOULD YOU CARE FOR SOME TEA ☕ "
Bedtime Stories is canon, you cannot change my mind
CAREFUL THERE'S A DALEK BEHIND YOU!!
It’s plunger is pointed right at the back of his head 😬
“…especially in an admittedly niche media property that fans tend to believe is valued a lot higher than it actually is.” - one of the most pragmatic statements I’ve ever heard from a passionate UA-camr fan. Thank you for maintaining that passion while also staying in touch with reality.
My favourite spinoff:
The War Master.
A series set in the distant future during the early years of the CyberWar might be interesting
I had an idea for a spin-off being a political drama being about Gallifrey and time lord society before the time war. We could even see young doctor and young master as cameos but the character we follow is an original Time Lord. We get to see Rassilon, Omega, The General and etc
Honestly, I loved Class and it's probably my favourite DW spinoff. When I saw the trailers I thought it was going to be like an aged-up Sarah Jane Adventures but as you said, it was unique enough to make it work. The morally grey characters made the show feel fresh and it felt like less of a Defenders of Earth type concept and more like a bunch of kids trying to their best (in a good way!). It also successfully addressed a lot of social issues (racism, homophobia, colonialism) without it feeling (too) forced. All the characters were interesting and their relationships felt real and nuanced. In eight episodes they showed more development and complexity than some characters in long-running TV series.
Annoyingly, I fear any spin off will be pitched to Disney who will give their "opinion".
I know that it was said, Disney's involvement was just because of Disney+ and they were giving a little bit of money to the BBC and such BUT after hearing that Disney did screenings of the Church on Ruby Road and told the BBC to do reshoots because originally the Doctor came in too late of the episode and Disney wanted him in from the start. Like with that Snowman head falling scene, apparently that scene was put in due to Disney's "opinion" after a apparent poor screening. And while I like the scene, I fear that Disney's involvement is more involved than I first thought especially after all this time zone nonsense, prioritizing American Audiences over the UK.
And I can imagine any spin off will need some seal of opinion from Disney if these spin offs related to Ncuti's Who will go to Disney+ too.
Series 9 fans are still waiting for a spin-off series with Clara and Ashildr, who have their own Tardis. I know this could be considered as a spin-off just like Doctor Who but it could be different in style and genre from the main show to make it stand out even just a little.
You need the single-character bridge otherwise you end up with Class which no one watched. The link to the main show can't just be "It is the same universe, promise"
Hellooooo there