Why Ukrainian commanders want a range of aircraft - not just jets
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2024
- At some point this year, F-16s are expected to enter the war in Ukraine.
But Ukrainian commanders say they want a range of other aircraft too - not just jets.
While most are American, Kyiv’s wish list also includes an iconic French fighter.
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While I think the A-10 is hopelessly outdated in its intended role at this point (and as other posters have pointed out, the airframes are increasingly decrepit), it would be wild to see how Ukraine would innovate in their use. The USAF already looked at using them as drone/decoy motherships, capable of carrying more decoys than even the B-52. Also they played with a remote-piloted version. I feel like Ukraine could push that even further.
They should start training on them now. It will take a year or more to get them. By then F16s will be operational and have diminished RU air defenses to the point where A10s and Apaches only need to worry about SHORADs and MANPADs. A threat to be sure, but one that can be managed, and lets face it, this is war, risks are taken in every operation.
They have been upgraded so not exactly a 70s aircraft anymore.
@@JimCarner Yeah, but the danger is you never know where a manpad or IR based SHORAD might be, and you can't detect them as they are passive systems. You can think you know, but you can never actually know. You operate in the way you describe, but sometimes terrain or mission requirements dictates a different narrative.
they'll probably going to use the A-10 like they use their Su-25s as one-to-one replacement, fly all the way and come in low, pop up some rockets or atgms, and hit the deck again. Just because they have NATO gear doesn't mean they'll fight like NATO, and wether its a good thing or not they're fighting the best way they know how given their experience and circumstances.
Itwilll be wipe out just like su25 froghod with long rang anti air it will be challenge u have to fly low
Nobody tell the Ukrainians about the a10s friendly fire record.
Nice to hear the Ukrainians are possibly being trained on the Mirage. A Highly capable jet.
@@JimCarnerSCALP-EG is the storm shadow. France does most of the work for the project and Britain gets all the PR… Classic Brits!
@@JimCarnerIt's a joint effort. As I understand it most of the internal components were developed by British companies or French companies to British specifications. The French developed the basic airframe though, in the form of the Apache anti-runway submunition dispenser missile.
Half British casualties in desert storm here caused by the warthogs
The US has “retired” 47 F16 and 21 A10 Warthog.
France has, apparently, set aside 6 Mirage for Ukraine.
Australia is retiring its F18 of which 14 are still combat ready.
The UK is returning 14 of its older Apache to the US and “retiring” 21 Tranche 1 Typhoons.
Lots available for Ukraine.
For now I haven’t heard any hard evidence on Mirage 2000 deliveries. But they are definitely in back and forth talks…
When talking about Mirage 2000, the version is very important to assess role and capabilities.
Mirage 2000C RDI are have very limited use due to outdated sensors and (partly unavailable) weaponry. They’d only be used for training and maybe some basic interception duties in the rear. They are not in service anymore but exited recently enough to be available.
Mirage 2000D are ground strike versions which have a special terrain following radar and automatic low level flight. They can make use of SCALP-EG cruise missiles and the recently promised ASSM (Hammer) extend-range precision “glide” bombs (250 .. 1000kg) and also have access to MICA medium range air-to-air missiles for self protection (or fending of helicopters and Su-25 perhaps). France can maybe spare a few of those from their active inventory (low numbers).
Mirage 2000-5 are a multirole variant with roughly similar capabilities as early version of the Rafale. They can perform strike roles and air-to-air missions using MICA missiles (both IR or active radar homing versions available). Capable against MiG-29 they would likely struggle against newer Su-30/35 in Russian service. Qatar is selling some but Indonesia hasn’t been able to close the deal (or might back off) so those maybe available.
In general, Mirage 2000D (-5) would be a good complement to F-16 (Link 16) but would require a secondary logistics line since there a little similarities with US made weaponry. F-16 would then attempt (limited) air-defense as well as SEAD/DEAD mission with AGM-88 HARM whilst Mirage 2000 could fill in the ground strike role and close air support role of Su-24MR and Su-25 in Ukraine service as attrition and ware are affecting availability in the medium term. Obviously Ukraine would likely still operate asymmetrically due to disadvantages in quantity (they only have access to older western designs)and prolific air defenses.
Nonetheless these jets will contribute to strengthening Ukraine airforce and mission kill some fluids bomb sorties by Su-34s. They will also make Su-24M, Su-25 and helicopter missions much more challenging for Russia as these will get blown out of the skies when F-16 (or Mirage 2000s) would appear.
Yes. And Australia has 20-30 parts planes to go along with the ready ones
@@stephanvelines7006 You have a greater knowledge of Mirages than I but, to repeat, I heard French was going to provide 6 to Ukraine.
We shall see.
@@Whatisthisstupidfinghandle Even better.
Those are airplane that could go too Ukraine.
But to enable combat about different areas.
If you want to do ground support you do need multiple air planes
Lets say 3 or 5 A-10
4 F-16 for support and anti radar mission
6 F-18 Air Power and long range air combat
The apache would make sense as it would be in the same spot as the Russian Ka-50.
Absolutely zero chance that they'll get Apache. Mirage makes sense though. It's about time France made a contribution.
@@seniorslaphead8336 Why wouldn’t they get Apaches specifically?
Britain has barely any Apaches as it is not to mention arming them is incredibly expensive, too expensive to warrant handing them out. Personally we need to tell Ukraine to jog on. We've given them more than enough, and they've been losing a lot recently. Russia is bleeding them dry Ukraine can't replace its manpower Britain and the west needs to star preparing for a possible war scenario because it could be around the corner and if we aren't prepared because we gave all out equipment to Ukraine we are going to have a very bad time
@@fionagallagher984 Because there is a massive supply of other superflous junk in western (mostly US) arsenals that we can dump on them instead. Why would we disarm our own troops by giving Ukraine the stuff we will actually need in the event of a war? That's the only reason they have got f16 and some older tanks/ifvs... we don't need them any more.
The can't get Apache no need arguing about it. @fionagallagher984
With the A-10, I think it is more of a need to replace the Su-25 Frogfoot aircraft. Same role, and the A-10 can use the same tactics, perhaps with more survivable than the Su-25. What Ukraine is looking for is numbers. More physical aircraft, more sorties, more electronic suppression, more of everything to just get an edge.
No the su25 is stronger than a10 su25 is often referred as the flying tanker
@@prizefighter8699Lmao, clearly you don't know much about the A-10
The A 10 sucks and i can prove it
@@LunaticTheCatThe A10 is slower and less armoured than the Su25. It’s also much wider. A giant target. At least the Su25 can go fast enough to escape combat (relatively) quickly
May aswell lend them the 82nd airborne division aswell
It's going to happen at some point!
Give them the gear and the training and they’ll make their own one!
That would just start world war 3
All these aircraft sound great options, but the GRIPEN would be a great choice too!!!...its an awesome fighter jet with amazing manoeuvrability and speed, and very agile and can carry a useful amount of weaponry. 👌🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
The Ukraine seems to always get the best effect out of everything they get ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I think that's a fake comment
Mirages arnt exactly ideal, but you cant argue with its numbers and its history, It would definetly be a step forwards in aviation aid thats for sure, like how the mardar turned into leopards or the bradley turned into abrams. If ukraine can get enough planes aswell as harms missiles this could be enough to start tilting the battle in their favour. Once the anti air batteries start falling this is when Apache, Cobras, A10s will make every little difference.
@@JimCarner im not the man to ask i dont work at a US defence company.
@@JimCarner i dont think its exactly that simple. Or else we probably would have seen it being done by now.
Also harms isnt exactly a small missile either. It can easily be countered by other anti missile weapon systems so putting it on a slow drone is just a huge waste of money especially if its being used for anti air battery use case.
Same thing with it being used on ground, its hardly conspicuous and could easily be seen from satellite depending on what kind of system is chosen as a launcher and how quick it can be activated.
Although thinking about it now to be used from ground it would need a whole different guidance system. The reason why Harms is used at air is becuase you can imput a target destination, fire the missile and it will make a B-line to that area before engaging its targeting homing equipment to hone in radar systems. Its much easier from the air to use becuase its alot easier to pick up a radar signal from the enemy meaning you can react quicker. As where as on the ground you would have to somehow find where the radar is and shoot the missile like a conventional ballistic missile then let the radar honing systems take over. The process would be a little more complex from ground level.
At the end of the day US has been using harms the way it has for a big reason, im sure they have thought of every alternative way of using the missile way before the war in ukraine and during the war in ukraine.
@@JimCarner no offense, but thats way to long and i really cant be bothered to read. I didnt really come here for a debate.
Again if it's combined armed warfare like you said that they destroy the Sims before that then it's a calculated risk worth taking and when you have this firepower from the air their front lines become more vulnerable
F16 can do everything from bombing to air superiority missions there is no point in complicating logistics and there is so many of them available compared to any other platforms besides F16 Ukraine needs black hawks and Apache attack helicopters and few some transport aircraft. There is enough of logistical nightmare with mbts ifvs and all other weapon systems
Correct. People need to be real about what's practical for Ukraine. The F-16 is ideal for almost all roles and there are hundreds that could be provided. Over 4000 have been built after all and it's still in production.
Black Hawks make some sense, but I don't think we have a lot of spares. Apache's the same. We don't have any that we can really give I don't believe. They're either getting upgraded or are worn out.
@@mcblaze1968 what would you suggest Eurocopter tiger those things barely exist compared to their American counterparts if Uncle Sam don't have nobody does
I could be wrong but I think A-10s are on a black list of aircraft not to be sold to anyone
Worth noting that most of the kills the A-10s got were not using it's cannon
Its got 2 confirmed Warrior IFV kills though xD
The a-10 canon is very powerful but inaccurate and if you are close enough to use it, you're too close to a modern enemy. It's far more myth than substance.
@@meme4one it’s not powerful against tanks lmao. It was tested against M60’s and could barely penetrate them. The only effective way for the A10 to kill tanks is with its ground ordnance. The F111 ardvark got more kills than the A10’s in the Gulf war. This pile of overrated junk needs to go out of service
an A10 without air cover is dead
@@Rempai420 and an AAV-7 or two.
They want anything and everything to fight the war, theyre not being picky
The Ukrainian pilots would quite possibly need very little training to fly an A-10 WARTHOG Jet. In Iraq the US had many reservist pilots flying the warthogs and they were shooting at anything that moved including allied tanks and APC.
I don’t understand why Britain isn’t training their pilots too, it would help them and secure contracts for British aircraft and weapons in the future. Win win
Because the UK doesn't use F16's nor does it use any of the other jets being offered by other nations. What they need in training is people who know the F16 inside out and have many years experience flying them.
@@dc-4ever201 that isn’t stopping France training them on Mirage 2000’s. It’s a bad excuse, teach them on old Typhoon Tranche 1’s, Tornados, Harriers or Jaguars then sell them to the Ukrainians after the war…
EA6 Prowlers were retired so those would be worth their weight in gold🇺🇲🇺🇦👍
@@JimCarner correct, Prowler/ Growler is EW aircraft. Didn't catch auto correct
The A10s Airframe is the problem here. The A10s were designed to last 4000 hours, the bulk of A10 airframes already have 6000-8000 hours on them and when they get that old, they start limiting them to low G maneuvers (at least they do with fighter aircraft). I'm not sure what limits would be on the A10 when they get that old.
Design age is one thing but they do last much longer that's whey they will be retired step by step.
A10s: If they use them within the limits of their capabilities and don't try to fight them like it's a Spad in 1965 in Vietnam against ZU-23s, but using mostly PGMs, unless they have SEAD support, they could be a forward deployed asset. As long as Ukraine can keep them and their support teams hidden.
almost all the 10s are refitted with new wings and with new avionics in the cockpit.
All of the A-10C's in service right now have had entirely new wings built and fitted to them in the past 10 years. They have a ton of life left in them. That being said in a near peer fight like in Ukraine A-10s would get shot down left and right unless they used them to sling unguided rockets like they are using their SU-25's right now.
@@SCscoutguy The US would not send in the A10 unless the airspace is in a "Permissive" state. That entails air superiority which neither Ukraine or Russia has the technology to achieve. Heck the US wouldn't even send ground in until they achieved air superiority, but the Ukrainians have no choice.
I cant see them getting the cobra or Apache. but thee A10 warthog seems like a good idea to give them.
How the hell is an A-10 supposed to operate in an as contested an airspace as Ukraine?
F16 with the latest AESA radar and armed with AIM-120D missile would prove to be superior to any fighter jet that Russia has.
In 2019, Indian Su30mkis took a very bad beating from Pakistan's F16 blk 52s which were armed with AIM-120 C5.
We had to import Rafale and meteor missiles later to counter them.
They wouldn't win
A10s would make great defensive planes.
The A10 is useless against man pads
You don’t say how many U.K. tanks they took out in the gulf.
Apaches with FCRs and Lima Hellfires would pose a very serious threat to Russian armor.
Anything else😂. Not asking for much are they
Ukraine could us ex-usmc and Italian navy harriers
-No need for airbases
-Designed for this purpose
-Proven track record in air combat as well as attacking ground targets
I think it could be useful
True but extremely hard to learn to fly, take much longer to train pilots on.
@@deanfirnatine7814 that may be, but training infrastructure does exist. I think they could be used for attacking ground targets. I love the thing, but I doubt it’s chance against an su-33. I figure they can free up f-16s for air combat
A-10 is not being retired anytime soon and the US has never sold them to anyone so I doubt they will get any, better luck in getting Tornadoes. Cobras are a real possibility because those are being retired.
Give them whatever they want conventionally.
Just give them the aircrafts to go fight back without lame excuses to worry about the jets if promised if lucky to get them 🤺.
They don’t want much do they lol. Look at how much money and kit has already been given to them and what little difference it’s made.
And I want a GP appointment
I'm sorry to say it but the US' own military reporting highlighted how the A-10 failed to meet expectations of being a tank killer in the Gulf War vs F16s, Tornadoes and F111s using precision missiles.
It was towards the Iraq war after a slew of avionics and weapons upgrades - i.e. targeting systems that didn't rely on binoculars in the cockpit that the A-10 became a tank killer.....
Its good to want, Ukraine should be buying all these weapons, equipment, vehicles and aircrafts instead of freeloading.
Ah, a supporter of Russia I see..
Why, after a year, did Ukraine snub two squadrons of Australian FA-18s and Taipans?
@@JimCarner Major General Mick Ryan. The Australian Financial Review Nov 22 - Jan 24. Sky News. Australian Hansard.
@@JimCarner Yesterday’s Sky interview with the Ukrainian ambassador to Australia. Mick Ryan is freely available.
BTW the Ukrainian ambassador is clearly out of his depth, possibly quite dim, and isn’t doing his country any favours by staying in his position.
@@JimCarner Matter of Survival Ukraine Ambassador Requests Urgent Coal Shipment. In the interview he confirms that Ukraine made no request for Australia’s Taipans until after the decision was made to scrap them.
Nothing to do with Ryan who is everywhere.
@@JimCarner The Hornet tale is within AFR. The Sky interview absolutely confirms that nothing was heard from Ukraine (or any other country willing to help Ukraine ) for months before the decision to scrap them was finalised.
My query is how is it that 10% of the world’s operating Taipans, and virtually the only ones available, can go unnoticed, until there is a decision to pull them to pieces?Ukraine had months to engage with Australia and yet did nothing for equipment that they say that they urgently need and that are easily integrated into European logistics and maintenance. On top of that the Australian government is clearly lying because there’s no way that 45 Taipans have been dismantled in a few weeks over the Christmas holidays, that’s a rate of two choppers a day and leaves Australia with only three new Blackhawks that still aren’t commissioned.
Whatever the reasons are why Ukraine could not be bothered asking Australia for squadrons of available aircraft and instead is shopping around NATO is their business, but it is certainly deficient because all that NATO and now Argentina have delivered, is four antique rescue helicopters without spares. This is a WTF moment that questions who is really controlling the direction of Ukraine’s defence. Additionally why the hell is it that Budanov requested the Taipans? He has nothing to do with defence supplies and has never put a request in to a foreign government before.
Hey if Ukraine 🇺🇦 wants An Air Cavalry regiments sounds good for sales .
Ukraine isn’t going to get air superiority over Russia.
Is this journalism?
Cope harder.
Lol ukraine and there shopping lists , is ok if we can keep some for ourselves
First thing first, Ukraine needs more soldiers on the front line and equipment to fallow. But for some reason some of 🇺🇦 man, in the prime left own country and runaway abroad, personally I know few. It’s your home after all, make sure wife and kids are safe and stand for a fight.
Can't believe Ukraine will be receiving around 50 F-16s without the US sending a single one
Oh well.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Its bad enough Ukraine had to endure the logistic nightmare of so many different Western systems for the army, please not let their air force suffer the same fate.
The F-16 is a good choice as its plentiful in numbers n logistical support but it should act as an interim for the next 10-15yrs at least until a modern replacement (Grippen E?) comes along. Best to have a high n low fighters type combination in the future. Perhaps Grippen E(low) & F-15EX(high)? Getting another older platform like the Mirage just doesn't make long term n financial sense.
The A-10's gatling gun's performance against tanks is overrated; most tanks destroyed in both gulf wars were by other munitions n, again, logistics support will be limited. The current Frogfoot is actually not bad already thou a COIN replacement needs to be found.
As for attack choppers, it need not be top of the line or expensive, even the AH-1Z Vipers will suffice... if its still in production in the far future.
We can all dream i guess 😂
Talking about aggression against a nuclear power as though it is no big deal. Like all totalitarian regimes, Britain has finally reached peak delusion.
the U.S should think twice or more before giving the A-10 to Ukraine because there's alot of features on that plane that not even the U.S air force will want to have fall into the hands of the Russians, because a lot of features in the A-10 are classified, the U.S should not even donate their top dog to Ukraine even if they ask for it...
Lol NO.
@@columnedfox5508
Cool story.
Put in your diary next time, princess.
They should start training on them now. It will take a year or more to get them. By then F16s will be operational and have diminished RU air defenses to the point where A10s and Apaches only need to worry about SHORADs and MANPADs. A threat to be sure, but one that can be managed, and lets face it, this is war, risks are taken in every operation.
I've been wondering if the Warthog would be of use to Ukraine if air superiourity is achieved.
That or keep to PGMs and hide the Hog in the mud, so to speak. Keep it close enough to be useful but low and outside MANPADS threat areas.
Ukraine will take anything as long as it's given to them for free. Someone should LOOK into all of those men of fighting age from the Ukraine that are doing nothing for their people and country. A few of them are in The Bahamas and other places doing nothing.
The Army using fortnite as a recruitment campaign 😂😂😂😂
The question is will an Airframe thats almost 50 years old really make a difference and change the outcome of the war or will it be another blow to perceived western military superiority
further emboldening our adversaries
Вы вот под словом "планер", что именно имеете в виду? Собственно, сам корпус (кузов) самолёта или же год завершения работ над всей машиной в целом и принятие её на вооружение?
Это вот не одно и то же: "планер" и "изделие".
Fairchild Thunderbolt II has been maintained properly by USAF and been upgraded to 'C' specification during its service. It's designed redundancy makes it survive small arms fire and anti-aircraft weapons. MANPADS being the obvious threat since the 'A' spec was built..
Top cover against RF fighters and HARM against SAM will be delivered by other aircraft especially F-16s.
Presumably ruzzia would say that Iraq war T-80 did badly because the Iraqi army wasn't good. So USA has the same get out with UA AFU use of their old kit.
You will notice that F-35 and F-22 are not going to Ukraine.
Additional Aircraft are important to maintain an be able to enact air supremacy for short durations. This will enable attacks and ground movement
Sorry, but your comment doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Tanks get destroyed in warfare. Western tanks tend to be better for the long term survival of their operators even when destroyed. Unlike T-72 or older in particular. And F-16s with expert pilots at the stick have survived AD threats even with malfunctioning air survivability equipment.
Given your logic, why is the US military using a rifle invented 60 years ago? The answer because it works.
I want an Aston Martin but I'm not going to get one😅 why give to Ukraine anyway, the losing side, what a waste of money😅😅😅😅😅
Ukraine is needy AF pay for it instead of donations, nothing is free smh
Oh the begging bowl gets bigger
If the French are giving Ukraine Mirage fighters then there is a case for the pilots to be trained on the Eurofighter platform. It’s still used by several NATO countries, so it’s available from a number of sources. Only Germany might prove to be problematic as one of the partner countries, as they have all sorts of issues due to historical reasons and certain parts of their constitution.
Yes and I want, lets start with some oh some of that, oh and that, yes and that. What? You cannot give it for free? How dare you!
MOM! I want that Apache. WHAT DO U MEAN I CANT
Wants?
Real question is: why they shouldn't?
I think we should give them everything they need and more. Western politicians dragging their feet have a lot to answer for, in my opinion.
Политики - всегда (и везде) таковы (медлительны).
@@michaelpezzullo3591We already have paid for it and expect to pay more to dispose too. Sending lots to Ukraine will shorten the war and reduce the total cost. Sending too little only prolongs the war and costs. Much better value for taxpayers to get it done with kit that we already plan to replace.
USA has sent less than 5% of annual Defence spending and overvalued legacy kit at the cost of buying it not the current value. Every business does value old kit differently to new kit since they are not the same.
Other countries in Europe are continuing to give support to Ukraine as they know the long term cost of ruzzian aggression.
Ultimately the cost in money is low compared to the cost in blood that Ukraine is paying...
It's not the Western world's war. Zelensky needs to front up with some spondoolies if he wants more aircraft instead of expecting handouts all the time.
@@michaelpezzullo3591by the sounds of it he is. Still cheaper than sending our own troops, which would be the alternative.
@@Monkey-ud8bwwhy is that an alternative?
It's not our war.
And whose paying those? 😂😂😂
ruZZianZ are.
With their lives and soon their overseas assets.
Boop.
One simple easy question for all those saying we should give them all this kit... WHO is going to pay for it all and all the support kit and spares required??? Don't forget that the cost comes from our taxes and or defence budget, and at a time are military is already stretched too the limits with regards to kit and budget.
Stuff has already been paid for next stop for most of this kit was the bone yard, might as well give to the Ukrainians also NATO and allies get a glimpse of how their equipment works in a peer to peer war.
🤣
You wonder sometimes whether the purpose of all this is to leave Europe utterly defenceless
Europe is in better shape than a year ago as the defense industry is ramping up - that takes a long time.
@@RobC1999 Why on earth would we want to risk a war with Russia?
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpwhy on Earth would we just watch as Russia do what they want? Are you totally ignorant of how WW2 started? Germany was allowed far too much freedom before the UK and allies reacted.
@@matjov WW2 bankrupted this country and we lost our empire
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp pfff, so you would have preferred it if we allied ourselves with Nazi Germany? We "lost" our Empire because we actually believe in democracy and the right of countries to self-govern. What you're suggesting doesn't sound too good mate.
Sadly they still won't win
Russia hasn’t a hope of winning the war it started.
Really a Russian spy on UA-cam
Just why
Who are they going to lose to exactly?
Russia
Brandon planned to expanded the war.
Russian forces have hit Ukraine’s German-made IRIS-T radar station, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.
"Russian tactical aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile and artillery forces inflicted damage on enemy troops and equipment, including a German-made IRIS-T radar, in 118 areas" the statement reads.
In the Knerson area, Russian troops, backed by artillery forces, made the enemy lose up to 35 troops, two motor vehicles and a US-made M109 Paladin self-propelled howitzer.
Believe everything russia tells you, its all true when it can’t be questioned😢
@@JimCarner WARGASM on UA-cam has lots of lovely videos for you.
i am afraid f-16 wont help ukraine russian air protection systems are way too much and powerfull for f-16.
Bit of a clueless comment, since the F-16 can carry ARMs and the ones that Ukraine will get have AN/APG-66 radar, which gives them 150km view. Combined, Russian air defences are in big trouble.
@@luciussander8217 ground based systems are more powerful and can see further than anti radiation missiles
@@luciussander8217 😂 U people said something like this before supplying patriot air defence systems, leopards, Bradleys etc and what happened? Did it stop the Russians? seems like u don't know what the Russians are capable of lol.
@@ashfaquezskv4558Not caring about huge casualties is a choice not a capability. The resulting low morale of mobiks is a reason why RF has low combat effectiveness. So far kaputin has hidden the reality with his all going to plan lie and nobody in Moscow cares about people from the east dieing in Ukraine...
@@ironman8257 AFU have proven effective against ruzzian SAM systems destroying the Crimea air defence and so the airfield and ports are unsustainable for ruzzians who have run away to Rostov-on-Don and ports to the south.
No black sea fleet nor helicopters KA-52...
I don't support Ukraine.
Do not think about it, give it to the Ukraine
The title should be " why Ukrainian govt want every modern stuff from the US and the rest of the world at the expense of US taxpayers money"
If everyone had an attitude like yours, we'd all be speaking German. Get with the programme, Russia needs to be stopped. Like many millions of people, you're sitting at home with no concept of what war is really like. I'm more than happy that some of my taxes are supporting Ukraine in their fight to regain their land.
@@luciussander8217 threatening Russia with a NATO membership to place NATO missiles in its border pointing at Moscow wasnt a good idea. Also, war is not only meant for the US.
@@ashfaquezskv4558 russia will lose and ukraine will be in NATO. Russia shouldn't have any questions to other states
@@ironman8257 Russia will lose, only in ur dreams. Even with hundreds of billions alone from the US Ukraine is losing its territories to the Russians😂. So keep dreaming
@@ashfaquezskv4558 if i will remember to reply back in few years, i will and i will laugh