Steven Wilson’s Surprising Thoughts on Chris Martin and Coldplay
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2022
- Porcupine Tree front man Steven Wilson held nothing back as he reveals the truth about Chris Martin and the band Coldplay.
The King of Progressive Rock, Porcupine Tree founder, Steven Wilson. This is an honest and frank interview, with the ‘most famous non-famous musician ever!
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Steven Wilson has made more sense in this interview than all the progressional opinions I've heard in the last 5 years. We need more Steve Wilson's...
Don't leave us hanging! More Steve Wilson's what?
@@banehog I'm guessing rabbits.
I could listen to SW expressing his opinions on music and life in general literally for hours!
Fantastic comment about music falling down the list of importance for young people today. I’d always tried to explain that to people but couldn’t articulate it
"One of the wonders of the world is going down..." (Sound of Muzak)
I didn't expect to see Steven here but I'm here for it.
Did you watch the full interview yet?
I love Steven's point of view!! GENIUS
When Steven Wilson talks about music, you sit, shut up and listen. This man got it all right.
He was very open and respectful about his musical opinions in the interview but this clickbait title makes it seem like he was talking shit when he wasn't.
His take on the BTS collab was factually incorrect. Members of BTS said in 2016 they really wanted to do a song with Coldplay, that’s what sparked the collab. It wasn’t Coldplay approaching them first.
Well it's from the interview, so I don't really see how this could be made to be something it isn't?
How about these:
Steven Wilson Opens Up on Chris Martin & Coldplay
Steven Wilson’s surprising Thoughts on Chris Martin & Coldplay
What do you think reflects the content?
Or...King of Prog rock discusses mainstream Coldplay & Chris Martin
(Sorry had a lot of coffee this AM)
@@RobMooreDisruptors I like 'S.W's surprising thoughts on C.M. & Coldplay' - think that conveys the nature of the conversation.
You have intrigue about his thoughts, plus the quality of the discussion is just as surprising as the content! So you're not setting up people to roll their eyes at a misleading title.
The Weeknd is the main drive and influence in pop music today. In the 80s, Prince and Micheal Jackson were the drivers of pop but Phil Collins was right up there as well. He transformed from Prog to pop in a few short years.
I could listen to Steven Wilson for hours… great knowledge 👊🏻
Looking forward to watching this - bring on the coffee 🔥🔥🔥
Have you watched the whole interview yet?
Merci pour la traduction... j adore ce mec... pur génie clairvoyant.🙏🙏🙏
Love this discussion.
Interesting, thought provoking.
Always thought Lana Del Rey changed the pop landscape including in aesthetic as he was talking about. But the whole thing is that it kind of just happened without anybody really realizing it - it wasn't celebrating itself like similar events in the past.
I would like to see what Steven would say about Coldplay's Coloratura being categorised as a space/ progressive rock song (at least according to Wikipedia)
I remember how I was shocked listening Coloratura from Coldplay. It’s indeed prog!
@@green0peas This is what I think too! I really wish Coldplay changed the way they've been following the recent years.
I quite liked their last album - Chinese girl on a treadmill. It was right good, and it got airplay in continuum like a Russian TEFL teacher with a froggy gurn. It sort of reminded me of the days when we could live in squats, then do a push up and live in Korea with our personal trainer - Travis with Math.
Steven wilson always speaks such facts
Interesting watch. I would say that Royal Blood - undoubtedly rock - have emerged as a significant force since about 2014 in the UK. I'm guessing they are also popular in continental Europe but am not sure about North America.
Why this title tho?
Edit: he changed the title (thank you!), but it was something along the lines of "Steven Wilson EXPOSES Chris Martin of Coldplay"
amazing thoughts! he truly respects a band that in an obvious way haas nothing to do with porcupine tree, and still give a thoutful critisism
The world needs more Wilson! I would really be interested in his thoughts about the "talk talk" albums....
The notion that Chris Martin is solely responsible for the direction and sound of Coldplay is misguided. Yes Chris provides most of the songwriting power but the rest of the band contribute too hence equal songwriting credits and to an extent, equal pay. Will, the drummer, is actually the ‘anchor’ or ‘boss’ within the band who probably has the biggest say in the decision making rather than Chris. Coming from a diehard Coldplay fan, it’s hard to disagree with a lot of what Steven says (and he is certainly not as cynical or snide as the title suggests) but Coldplay are a 4 man band, not a one man show
Coldplay is the only band Brian Eno has made worse. I couldn’t get into anything after X & Y. Saw them live in 2006 and it’s one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen
@@babylemonade2868 Agreed X&Y was their last great album. Then it mostly went downhill.
Actually they have 5 band mates, one behind the scenes. Everyday Life was a masterpiece.
exactly!
I did read somewhere that Coldplay approached Bowie for something & he refused.
Aside from the understandable clickbait pandering - this is actually a really decent and thoughtful discussion, I won't forget it - great interview!
Thank you for tuning in, appreciate it
Very thoughtful and intelligent comments here by Steven. The elephant in the room, though, is the entrance on the stage of illegal downloads and then streaming services such as Spotify. Album sales have plummeted since he started out in the early 90s. As always, a development like that cuts off the bottom half of the economic pyramid, which means record producers are less inclined to take a chance on a new and untried artistic development by upcoming musicians. The ROI just may not be there and so the investment becomes too risky.
This is the most important reason why it's harder to become the next Bowie or Prince, and why the audience is sadly left with music "made by millionaires who are nearly twice your age" and engineered for "building cheaper thrills," as Steven himself has so aptly put it.
Agreed! The music is done and sitting on shelves. These music millionaires are picking the next pop star and giving them the song to sing. Producing the heck out of their vocal tracks and spending millions to get it out for the public to listen and see them in the media. It’s all about building a persons brand rather than good quality music.
The revenue streams from clothing to makeup. Making people their cash cow.
@@Staygoldfarms Yup. This development has all but killed musical creativity. It’s sad but true.
@@markvandenberg4606 I’m Stevens age and I’m sure you are in that same era.
What has transpired over the years in the music industry is a travesty.
I write and play many instruments. I can record for the enjoyment. I like many genres of music like Steven. I can sense many similarities of stuff we grew up listening to with his music and PT.
The pop isn’t there though.
@@Staygoldfarms Agreed! But I’m a LITTLE younger than SW. 😉
Back in the 90s, Steve Wilson used to trash, destroy and film iPods getting smashed - as they were the death of music. lol
Personally...I always thought CCR sing Great Balls Of Fire over and over again. But, that's Chopin, Wagner and a prison in a town centre for om - Frogs in classical piano mode. :D
What a garbage thumbnail and title. Talk about selling out.
How would you have done the title differently? I am always open to feedback so let me know your approach. I can always change things if it's the right thing
How about these:
Steven Wilson Opens Up on Chris Martin & Coldplay
Steven Wilson’s surprising Thoughts on Chris Martin & Coldplay
What do you think reflects the content?
6:05 he is so right here imo. My friends do not understand the joy i get when i go hunting for vinyl or CD's. A lot of music discovery stops on the top 50 spotify charts of metal, pop, rap etc. People just turn on shuffle and dont concentrate on what they are listening to.
The same could probably be said about movies now days as well.
Steve is so cool, he feels the music
Ahh man this is a genius i love his music.. so lucky i got to see him live..
Greatly enjoyed your interview with Steven, for which you deserve much praise. I considered subscribing to your channel afterward, but when this clickbait trash title/thumbnail is the first thing I see on your profile, I'm no longer interested.
What is disruptive about pulling the most potentially controversial piece out of a deep and engaging 2-hour conversation and slapping a TMZ-style headline with the name and photo of a more popular mainstream personality to game the UA-cam algorithm for fleeting views?
This is the opposite of disruption, and the opposite of many of the points that were raised in your conversation with SW about personal integrity, going against cultural norms, winning in the end despite doing things the "wrong" way, etc... This kind of gimmick is more akin to the criticisms levelled at Coldplay than allowing one's work to succeed on its own merits as in the cases of SW, Radiohead, Pink Floyd, etc..., as discussed in your conversation.
I suspect whatever attention you draw to your channel from this tactic isn't worth the lost interest and goodwill from those who actually enjoyed the heart of your work in the larger interview. With that said, only you know what's best for your work and your channel. Much respect and best of luck to you, but I'll be seeking out content (theres that dreaded word again!) that resonates with more integrity for me. Cheers. :)
Yeah, I’m not a fan of this kind of attention seeking to gain viewers either. It obscures the truth even before the viewer hears a single word spoken.
It was a great interview, though.
I do think in part music has also disappointed for a lot of people
Inwardly
Great in many ways but just not having that depth enough of the time for enough people I’d say
One of the wonders of the world is going down and that no one cares enough
I like SW immensely however how did he feel about Eno working with Coldplay
Chris Martin actually wants that level of success and goes for it, he’s nakedly ambitious which is better than pretending to hate the fame while pursuing it.
I think the media has become more and more intolerant over the years when it comes to different styles of music. For me, this made the published music more and more boring. To put it bluntly, the sophisticated and creative music that I like to listen to is not boring enough for the radio.
I watched the whole interview yesterday, this clickbait title doesn't reflect what SW was talking about when referring to Coldplay, he didn't expose anybody.
I guess that depends on how you define the word expose. Because it means to 'show' or 'reveal'. Feedback taken on board though, and you are not the only one who has expressed this
How would you have done the title differently? I am always open to feedback
How about these:
Steven Wilson Opens Up on Chris Martin & Coldplay
Steven Wilson’s surprising Thoughts on Chris Martin & Coldplay
What do you think reflects the content?
I really appreciate your response to my comment. I thought this was a great interview and an intelligent conversation about what the music industry is like today and what it means to be a musician now compared to the past. I just felt the title of this video doesn't reflect the eloquent personal opinion SW has on Coldplay, as stated in the video, that's all.
I see you are very serious about the content of your channel, and it's refreshing to see how you care about your audience's opinion; for that, I thank you again.
Cheers!
@@RobMooreDisruptors Steven Wilson quipped…
Steven Wilson mused…
Honestly I’ve always thought of porcupine tree as prog Coldplay
Maybe some of their material, but PT is so much more and explored more music styles. Don't get me wrong, I like Coldplay (mostly their older material though). Radiohead would be a better comparison IMO.
Your t shirt sums it up in a nut shell mate 😎👍
Such a low blow!! He opened up honestly to you and in return you pick this shitty title for your video?
I listened to the entire interview yesterday, you put Steven in a bad spot by picking that bit from the 2 hr long video, and making a video out of it to get more eyeballs. I guess your questions also pushed him in direction to name a few bands as examples. S.W was balanced in his answers, he didn't "expose" or talk down on any artist.
Thank you for the feedback and watching the interview. I don't think the content itself makes Steven look anything other than what he is. But I hear you re the title. How would you have done it differently?
Thank you for changing the title, now it sounds better! And also thanks for a great interview with S.W!
What does the bottom of his shirt say about demonic possession
Invigorates
He's a weirdo. Ignore him. Anyone who shows up to a gig dressed like THAT?
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow Nobody asked
@@greatcoldemptiness awwww. Poor baby. No demons, no incubi, no succubi exist. You're a child.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow are you suggesting he is a satanist?
Agree with everything Steven says regarding Chris Martin and "The centre of the Universe". Don't agree with him as regards Coldplay being a cool band, or that they ever wrote any great songs. Just can't listen to them, as the music makes me cringe. Don't know if Steven was aware of David Bowie being approached by Chris Martin a lot of years back, asking Bowie if maybe they could do something musically together? Bowie,s reply was very telling.... "Well, you,re last album wasn't very good." This was a Chris Martin interview l seen years ago, and this story was related by Chris Martin himself. Martin,s reply was also telling.... "With Bowie having told me that, l realised, well, that's the level you have to get to, in order to do an album or single with David Bowie." For me, having watched this, it wasn't just a case of Chris Martin having to up his game in order to reach Bowie,s level. It was more a case of... Sorry Chris, you never will. And this is what Chris Martin didn't understand. David Bowie didn't want to touch or be associated with Coldplay, in the same way as he had with Queen.
Source of that David Bowie situation?
@@saintjabroni Chris Martin! 😂
@@21st_Century39 🤣🤣🤣
Coldplay have a very unique sound which is why I like listening to them. Their wall of sound guitarwork gets me in every time. But I can't listen to them too many times in a row.
Bowie didn't say 'your last album isn't very good' all he said was the song offered to him is 'not one of your best work isn't it?' Stop twisting stories just because you don't like Coldplay's music. You can froth in the mouth all you want but Yellow,The Scientist and Clocks are all gaining modern classic status and Viva La Vida will be as well. Hating a band as a part of your personality is MAJOR CRINGE. I bet you don't have many friends because of this trait. Snobby music nerd like you is a turn off.
Hm how about Ghost? They are rock-based and quite successful internationally
Agreed, I was also thinking about the Foo Fighters.
Many things wrong with this. BTS approached Coldplay and said they dreamed of collabing with them. Not the other way around. Chris never even walked a red carpet with his ex wife, he lives a very low profile life outside of concerts. Only one member has an indivdual social media page and that’s Guy berryman not Chris. For you to suggest he wants to be the center of the universe is ridiculous.
Well said! Even while he's dating Dakota he isn't vying for everyone's attention about it. When he's doing Coldplay he is really marketing it as the face of the band for obvious reasons, but outside of that he isn't a pompous celebrity walking red carpets. He often takes a backseat during their hiatus from touring. We hardly ever hear about him during that time. He also isn't dressing extravagantly or creating headlines like stars of the past. Coldplay have adapted will and they write for both old and new fans contrary to what these experts think.
Completely agree, Chris would get cross in early interviews and tell people that she was just a person like anybody else. He meets creative people, that’s why he dates them. I heard a lot of jealousy in this interview, if she doesn’t know Chris personally perhaps don’t surmise on why he does things.
When did he say otherwise? Also, people who like k-pop should be thrown from a very high plane without a parachute. Good job were not on twitter, you could spam me with a crowd cam
Lmao
I have never been a Coldplay fan, and have enjoyed far more releases from Porcupine Tree, in comparison. However, replace the name “Chris Martin” here with “Steve Wilson” and what he says would apply the same and still make sense (minus marrying a movie star, etc. which was a pretty dumb point, anyway). Wilson may be less known, but his music has shown no less abundence of ego at times and certainly contrivance, to the point where it made this Porcupine Tree fan into a loyal fan of albums he re-masters or produces but someone who either avoids or yawns majorly at his often cringe-worthy solo releases. This could just as easily be Steven in a therapy session, talking about his own insecurities. Pot, kettle, and so forth.
An abundance of ego is a different thing to wanting to be at the centre of things, which is what he said about Chris Martin. It's a given that all great artists have a strong ego - you'd never do anything great otherwise. And to quote the memorable Skyhooks lyric, "ego is not a dirty word"!
Clearly never heard royal blood :)
Steve Wilson is kinda like England’s Steve Albini. Super smart and articulate. But always kind of makes an off-handed comment about an artists credibility. Then immediately after says “don’t get me wrong I respect them”.
I mean, he’s being honest. I also get the feeling from Coldplay that they make music to sell, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
He's just saying that every artist has a different focus. And what's implied is that every choice has consequences and trade-offs.
All you have to do is stand on any random street corner during a busy time of day to hear just how far we've fallen in terms of musical taste. It's a travesty.
🔔end
I just did Body Balance with several Chinese pianists after watching that. Can you imagine the power of 1.3 billion Coldplay fans trolling about in a shopping mall with SiFu mong_mong. Me neither.
2:51 disappointing... People who criticize others.... especially those they've never met... I'll be one now... How do you know what Chris Martin loves? Even if you're correct, what is so wrong about feeling a certain way? What do you care? I remember someone telling me something like that while I stood next to them feeling insignificant and thinking I didn't even deserve to talk to them. How can you talk about somebody so carelessly while being a center of the progstream at some point in time? The choice of his wife? Pffffff. Just incredibly shallow.
horrible clickbait. [update: way much better title. Thank you for listening]
What title would you have used?
@@RobMooreDisruptors When you have almost 2 hours of conversation and the first thing you need to do is create a short clip attempting to gain attention by using an opinion not really that controversial but trying to look like it is, that is not good. There are a lot of possibilites for a much better title.
I love Steven Wilson's music, in two days actually I will hear Porcupine Tree live in Chile, but I don't understand why people (Wilson including) says that your music is good if you are low profile, unknown person. You have to be a nun of music to be a good musician and made a definite type of music, if you are out of all that, you are cynic and you music is losing credit. No! Everyone is free to make the music that wants to do, and if your music is massive listened you become famous. This is like say that a football player have to play whit smart passes and intelligent play to be a good player, and if he becomes a dribbling player whit triks and golden globes, he is not too good like before.
You're not really getting the point... It's about sacrificing the integrity of your music/art to appeal to a certain/wider audience, and be very conscious and delibrate about trend and all that... i agree with Steven that i think Coldplay is a case where most of the music didn't come from the art/music anymore in the first place...
Coldplay: 🤡👉🎪
Porcupine Tree: 💪😎 (Gigachad)
Stupid clickbate title, not a fan.
how would you have titled it differently?
Cold play is brilliant
The national
Coldplay first two albums were brilliant. After that they lost that charm.
yes, i agree with this, from a rock music perspective anyway
Listen to something truly awesome, like King Crimson, Led Zeppelin, Porcupine Tree indeed, Pixies, prime Sonic Youth, Tool, you name it. Then put the first Coldplay album and feel all the power drain out of your arse. It's totally enervating.
I disagree
I thought the first 3 were great. After that there are a few pop hits that are decent to pretty good, but otherwise I'd agree with you.
Yeah .. the best has been and gone...!!!! OR HAS IT...???
I hope these guys eat Coloratura for breakfast. His comments clearly show he never met the band, including Chris.
In terms of modern acts, I would say Bring me the Horizon.
Clickbait bruhhhhhhh.... come on... You can do better.
How would you have titled it differently?
" I've never met the guy, but let me tell you who he is" lol
I don't know who this person is, but why is he wearing a t-shirt that says 'demonic possession invigorates' - very strange!
Very creepy.
Listen to his music first then talk. Read his latest album The Future Bites quotes and then give you opinion please.
I probably should have asked him this shouldn't I
@@RobMooreDisruptors just leave this guys rob. They don't know anything about Steven's authentic music and just wanna comment by just reading the title and not even wanting to watch the whole interview. Great interview btw keep it up! ❤️
@@kunalkumar8217 bhai duniya velli hai chill maro, steven rocks
Why not talk about coldplays Masonic symbolism?
As a truther and a massive Coldplay fan i cant help but feel a tinge of sadness with their symboloism on their most recent album. But i guess they have to tow the line..if they refused to include the symbology then their career in the music industry would be all but ended.
Could you give any examples?
@@user-pr5qj7ts9e alot of the album art looks just like a virus. Also the infinity symbol which is absolutely everywhere right now.
@@orlandotrustfullandhiscosm4110 I see. And also the idea of unity (New World Order maybe), prevalent among many of the more recently released songs.
@@user-pr5qj7ts9e idk about 'unity'..i mean we do NEED unity. Just not in the globalised way the ruling class intend 'unity' to be. I will give Chris Martin and co the benefit of the doubt because theyve always been such lovely human beings.
Shitty title, tbh.
What would you use as a title?
Thom yorke is a different league to Chris Martin. I don’t even get the comparison.
yeah thom yorke only has to be compared with the greats jhon lennon , brain wilson, bob dylan
I find Coldplay boring.They did a gig recently and put on one hell of a light show, a guy I know is a fan but not for me.
Don’t listen to them then, plank🙄
I would recommend you listen to Major Minus live in Paris/Madrid and also Chinese Sleep Chant. Hopefully u will listen to them and get back to me and tell me what u think.
@@NH-bz9jv you are a wise man. Nobody should listen to Coldplay
@@Stringer13ell nobody forces you to listen to them. Plank🙄
@@NH-bz9jv I never said they did, and therefore you appear have implied i said something I didn't. Ironically, you questioned my intelligence when you don't seem to be able to read. I'm just going to presume you're a complete s p a c k e r
I don't know this guy, and I don't know Coldplay, other than I find the singer annoying so you can interpret my comment in that light. I found his somewhat respectful criticism of Coldplay's singer to be interesting and accurate. It was subtle but he definitely gave him a little jab there, but great interview.
Love SW and pretty much everything he's done but he's a bit pretentious.
The bland talking about the bland.
Muse first album was a masterpiece but then they slowly got worse and Coldplay are quite awful they have a few good songs .
Showbiz wasn't better than Origin of Symmetry or Absolution.
@@miralex67 it was better it had that raw live sound origin of symmetry had cover songs and sounded a bit computerised bollox .
Inspired by Echo and the Bunnymen Coldplay started off cool but ended up making music for sheep 🐑
Coldplay and Ed Sheeran sold out sometime ago.
Music in the 70’s and 80’s was so much better than the drivel that Coldplay, Muse, Sheeran etc churn out. T Rex, Slade, The Police, The Beat, The Specials and the kings of them all, XTC are far superior bands compared to what’s out there now
That's just your opinion. Coldplay, Muse, Radiohead - they're incredible musicians who have written songs that have defined the millennium and a new generation of music listeners. You just cannot deny it. They have some of the most iconic and recognisable songs in modern music
@@planeguy95 I haven't really followed Radiohead throughout their career, but we can safely say that the artistic heydays of Muse and Coldplay are well behind us. Muse's first four albums are among the best I own, but each album after that got a little worse. Their latest is just terrible. They've followed the same path Wilson describes about Coldplay in this video. I can't blame them for staying relevant and raking in the cash, but that's the reality.
@@markvandenberg4606 I do agree with you for the most part - and I do also unfortunately agree with you on the new Muse album. But their talents still can’t be denied, which is what my original comment was referring to.
Defo check out Radiohead btw, they have actually stayed consistent over their whole career. In Rainbows and A Moon Shaped Pool are 2 of my fav albums of all time
@@planeguy95 Yeah, I enjoy Radiohead! They just haven’t remained consistently on my radar over the years.
The elephant in the room is illegal downloading and later streaming, of course. Bands like Muse are trying to keep the revenue stream flowing in an age of collapsed album sales. And record labels are just not willing to dump a million dollars into a new venture any longer unless they can be safe it’s going to appeal to the masses…
I'll give that guy a 6.5 in IELTS.
Steve Wilson talks about contrived this is fucking laughable!
Why is this laughable and what do you mean?
And then you go back to make pop… Disguised as prog 😂
Chris Martin is so dull.
Martin is more talented than him
arctic monkeys is rock?
Not anymore
I’d say they’re soft rock/lounge now
But they could completely change their sound the next album, how about we stop putting artists in a box…