makes sense when you try to make the missile as cheap as possible. the sidewinder series may actually be the most cost efficient Air to Air missile in the world
@@IronPhysik "The US Navy bought 185 AIM-9X missiles, in FY18 for $430,767 per unit. Belgium got theirs for $1.7 million each, but that includes equipment and support" quoted from the internets. Basically, it's very difficult to get aim-9x for less than 1 million per unit as part of larger contract.
It is.. a singular, "small" missile destined to destroy itself is made with finer craftsmanship and more expensive materials than the most expensive thing I have ever owned BY FAR. It's fascinating, but it makes me a bit sick edit: and to think that apparently *110,000* AIM-9 have been made and "only" 270 aircraft have been destroyed by AIM-9.. which is perhaps the most of any air-to-air missile. War is a monumental waste of time and life
Its only expensive in the beginning. Modern manufacturing is just repeating molds and assembly patterns it can all be automated and dirt cheap compared to if it was hand made one by one. Only magnificent to those that barely understand it, TO those who make it, its not more complicated than WE see a paper plane. Meaning, its complicated to us. But to them its like a paper plane is to us. Im not saying its the same as a paper airplane, im saying they understand it so well that its not a big deal to them; so they have no problem blowing it up. If I made a rocket, I would be so proud of it I wont want to blow it up. Because its hard for me to make. But the engineers that make the AIM9 have no problem making another one, and another one, and another one. Just like kids making paper airplanes, they can make it again and again and again.
Getting an extra manoeuvre boost from the exhaust is a great idea. I was thinking that it would not work for long.... but the lifespan of an air to air missile is by definition... short.
IT OBTAINS A DIFFRENCE OR DEVEATION THE GUIDENCE SUBSYSTEM USES THE DEVEATION TO GENERATE CORECTIVE COMMANDS TO DRIVE THE MISSILE FROM A POSITION WHERE IT TO A POSITION FROM WHERE IT ISN'T
Its all a trade-off. For rockets like this the motor only activates for a couple of seconds. The length shown in the video is probably about the full duration of its motor. The fins are still the vast majority of its agility potential, whilst the thrust vectoring is simply to provide agility at the very start of the launch (which then becomes its most agile phase now able to increase the angle at which it can attack very dramatically). That compares to orbital rockets which require very little agility and lasting as long as the rocket motor is lit, require agility outside of the atmosphere, and spend most of their flight outside of the atmosphere. Ultimately we have to remember that thrust vectoring is an incredibly inefficient way to gain agility and causes immense drag whilst it is operating. What is more surprising is that modern missiles utilise thrust vectoring so much at all when compared to the previous mentality and other similar missile types.
Amazing that those control surfaces can break all that ice but we Toads were failed on evaluation if we touched them while loading it to the launcher... Probably could have done more R&D on the umbilical attachment that was a constant fear of ripping off during the process too.
That umbilical was the definition of a strödinger question, how is something so fragile you can rip it just by looking at it wrong and yet strong enough to survive 9gs and mach 2.
I would think that a fully iced over rocket motor would be a bad thing when fired off.. I'm kind of thinking it only does this right before the rocket kicks off to break open the nozzle.
@@rite.3839 there is IR missile sensor in lots of plane now, it detects the smoke of the exhaust for example. Mirage 2000, Rafale, for example are equipped with this kind of sensor.
Does it perform that exercise before launching? If so, when? (If not, it's going to fly crazy for a few seconds.) There is a "cool down" for the seeker head, but I could see icing building up on it well after that's done.
Electric, with some rather impressive little geared torque motors! Do not put fingers in the way, but then if you were foolish enough to do so, the rocket motor would roast you pretty quick!!
@@sferrin2 In fact there is wa-ay more sophisticated and ingenius system! They powered by the pressure of slow burning gun powder in a special steel pressure chamber. That pressure actuate two pistons (X and Y axis) with a force about 300kg each and being regulated by electrically closing and opening small bypass holes in those pistons.
Titanium isn't all that heat resistant. More so than Aluminum, sure. But not more so than a good stainles ssteel or similar. if you want to be truly wowed, google inconel....
@@Zonkotron Google says titanium melts at 1600 C, and inconel melts between 1200 and 1400 C. Inconel must be cheaper anyway, so it's probably better suited for the application.
@@EddSjo I never realized it melts that early, which is amazing, because it means the crazy stuff, unlike titanium, doesnt burn and retains a good deal of strength up to about 1000°, almost the melting point. That is something most plain metals cannot do. In a jet engine, the compressor blades often are titanium and the turbine blades are inconel or worse. Very odd that it melts earlier but definitely operates better at a yellow heat.
Nice deicing mechanism, however, this isn't a thrust vectoring motor. The vectoring mechanism adjusts simple fins which counter the airflow, not the thrust. True thrust vectoring missiles can be used in space, since the thrust itself is vectored. An AIM-9 in space would be unable to alter its trajectory.
>today's technology read this as a phonograph's voice... «The AIM-9 Sidewinder ("AIM" for "Air Intercept Missile") is a short-range air-to-air missile. Entering service with the United States Navy in 1956 and the Air Force in 1964, the AIM-9 is one of the oldest, cheapest, and most successful air-to-air missiles!»
How effective is the thrust vectoring system in practice? I'd imagine the missile would burn out before reaching the target in many realistic combat situations.
very effective! it means modern missiles (such as MICA, ASRAAM etc) can pull an extreme amount of G's, 50G in case of the two I mentioned. This means that the missile can end up pointing at the target (or where it needs to head to intercept it) much more quickly, maximising the amount of available rocket thrust that is available to propel the missile forwards, which thereby reduces time to intercept. net result being that you get a quicker kill, on a target that a missile without thrust vectoring would be unable to hit (as it would be too tightly inside of the missile's turn radius)
The 9X doesnt only rely on TV for guidance. It still has fins. The TVs maint purpose is to turn in really tight circles in dogfights. For almost any other engagement modern jets would use Fox-3s.
Nope. On previous models of the AIM-9 it was the nose fins that actuated and the tail fins were fixed. On the -9X variants though they are tail controlled with fixed forward fins. In the video above, the small yellow sections of the "fins" are vanes in the rocket exhaust for steering.
Remember: Switching to AIM-9 is faster than reloading.
now ram the watermelon
remember switch to AIM-9 is faster than obtaining a radar lock
how in the airborne do you reload
@@beaconblaster33 ask Ramirez
I’ll keep that in mind during a dogfight
Intresting how simplified the vectoring system is
makes sense when you try to make the missile as cheap as possible.
the sidewinder series may actually be the most cost efficient Air to Air missile in the world
V2 the same style system
@@IronPhysik as cheap as possible... while costing literally a million dollars per missile.
@@TealJosh AIM-9X does not cost a million USD per missile.
It's more around 100000usd
@@IronPhysik "The US Navy bought 185 AIM-9X missiles, in FY18 for $430,767 per unit. Belgium got theirs for $1.7 million each, but that includes equipment and support" quoted from the internets.
Basically, it's very difficult to get aim-9x for less than 1 million per unit as part of larger contract.
It's weird to think that this magnificent piece of machine is designed to explode itself
so much great engineering to blow each other to bits
war is the crucible of man's creation.
It is.. a singular, "small" missile destined to destroy itself is made with finer craftsmanship and more expensive materials than the most expensive thing I have ever owned BY FAR. It's fascinating, but it makes me a bit sick
edit: and to think that apparently *110,000* AIM-9 have been made and "only" 270 aircraft have been destroyed by AIM-9.. which is perhaps the most of any air-to-air missile. War is a monumental waste of time and life
Its only expensive in the beginning. Modern manufacturing is just repeating molds and assembly patterns it can all be automated and dirt cheap compared to if it was hand made one by one.
Only magnificent to those that barely understand it, TO those who make it, its not more complicated than WE see a paper plane.
Meaning, its complicated to us. But to them its like a paper plane is to us. Im not saying its the same as a paper airplane, im saying they understand it so well that its not a big deal to them; so they have no problem blowing it up.
If I made a rocket, I would be so proud of it I wont want to blow it up. Because its hard for me to make. But the engineers that make the AIM9 have no problem making another one, and another one, and another one. Just like kids making paper airplanes, they can make it again and again and again.
@@grmanstar I'm sure it still costs like a Lamborghini, also I've never seen any paper plains shake themselves to break ice on their butt
This is pretty neat.
This is Very neat
you could say
very *"COOL"*
...
You're pretty neat :>
How neat is that?! As me and Rodney would say: thats purty neat! Isnt neature neat?!
Getting an extra manoeuvre boost from the exhaust is a great idea. I was thinking that it would not work for long.... but the lifespan of an air to air missile is by definition... short.
That's especially good when leaving the rail and the missile doesn't have enough speed to properly maneouver using its fins.
Off bore sight does that to you (9X). It needs to turn like crazy in those circumstances
Certainly now with this way of putting fins in the exhaust, but as said no one needs it to survive long(and it has to handle very high G forces)
It worked for the entire duration of the V2 rocket motor burn. Besides once up tp speed aero manouevering does the trick.
@@gertnood Although that required high quality graphite (and far different propellant)
THE MISSILE KNOWS WHERE IT IS
BECAUSE IT KNOWS WHERE IT ISNT
BY SUBTRACTING WHERE IT IS FROM WHERE IT ISN'T, OR WHERE IT ISN'T FROM WHERE IT IS
WHICHEVER IS GREATER, _OF COURSE_
IT OBTAINS A DIFFRENCE OR DEVEATION THE GUIDENCE SUBSYSTEM USES THE DEVEATION TO GENERATE CORECTIVE COMMANDS TO DRIVE THE MISSILE FROM A POSITION WHERE IT TO A POSITION FROM WHERE IT ISN'T
@@hyperbeara2069 THIS IS CALLED "ERROR"
LOUD NOISES!!!
Thanks.. I was just wondering if my iced up aim missile would be able to vector it's thrust .. now I know .
No you did not wonder about that.
@@Topper_Harley68 yes he did, did you not read the comment?
Oh good! I was hoping they'd take care of that.
Yeah, I hate it when my aim-9x thrust vectoring motor malfunctions during low temperatures.
@@coffeeman882 Fr
Oh it's just exhaust vanes I thought it was fully actuating nozzle like on orbital rockets.
Na fam they dont have the real need for the added mass and complex thrust vectoring systems
The Redstone missile used a system like this, and was the basis for an orbital rocket in Juno.
It's simpler this way because it also needs tail fins to have guidance during a possible post-burn approach.
Its all a trade-off. For rockets like this the motor only activates for a couple of seconds. The length shown in the video is probably about the full duration of its motor. The fins are still the vast majority of its agility potential, whilst the thrust vectoring is simply to provide agility at the very start of the launch (which then becomes its most agile phase now able to increase the angle at which it can attack very dramatically).
That compares to orbital rockets which require very little agility and lasting as long as the rocket motor is lit, require agility outside of the atmosphere, and spend most of their flight outside of the atmosphere.
Ultimately we have to remember that thrust vectoring is an incredibly inefficient way to gain agility and causes immense drag whilst it is operating. What is more surprising is that modern missiles utilise thrust vectoring so much at all when compared to the previous mentality and other similar missile types.
Holy fuck. I am not smart enough for this comment section.
This the the type of tech I need on my windshields
Amazing that those control surfaces can break all that ice but we Toads were failed on evaluation if we touched them while loading it to the launcher... Probably could have done more R&D on the umbilical attachment that was a constant fear of ripping off during the process too.
Agreed. -9X design eliminates the old umbilical.
That umbilical was the definition of a strödinger question, how is something so fragile you can rip it just by looking at it wrong and yet strong enough to survive 9gs and mach 2.
IYAAYAS
@@BlackberryTheMCPro If you aint ammo - you're waiting on them.
@@secondarycontainment4727 haha, love from Nellis
Very cool video One would think heat of the exhaust would melt the ice but it's incredible to see the fins break the ice
The exhaust and fins need to be firing at the same time, can't rely on the heat of the exhaust to melt it as that consumes precious time
@@OtherDalfite the exhaust isn't gonna melt it, it's gonna fall off due to the shock and vibrations, and the sheer force of the exhaust.
@@Katniss218 I wasn't saying the fire would. I was saying it's not a reliable method of dealing with the ice
I would think that a fully iced over rocket motor would be a bad thing when fired off.. I'm kind of thinking it only does this right before the rocket kicks off to break open the nozzle.
And there's me thinking a big-ass thruster with 1,000's of lbs of thrust, would probably fix any icing issue....
yes, but there is always the chance that it doesn't - also, there are forward fins, which don't have an automatic de-icer on launch.
HOBS. You need these fins to operate in case of a dogfight. I know...never gonna happen but apparently our government sees otherwise.
@@johng.2321 It would be awfully embarrassing if the enemy got within dogfight range, and you suddenly become useless.
@@britishsoldier1186 these days if you get close enough to use an aim-9 something has gone terribly wrong
What a clever design how the fins act as thrust vectors
German technology
Hardly German technology....these principles have were known long before thanks to ships. People seriously give the Germans too much credit...
@@852urkl Check out V2 rocket technology directing nozzle heat first time used by germans
@@ferhatyalcn5126 You completely and utterly missed my point.....
@@Josh-bs2zt oh sorry
I've always hesitated shooting off my Sidewinder missiles and icy conditions, now I know!
love it when hightech is filmed on a potato
Perhaps this being filmed 30 years ago might have something to do with it.
@@godlyghost3111 he’s saying its an old video
The video is from the 70s-80s probably, the missile is from the mid 50s
@@Nerthos not this vectoring variant, earlier ones like the 9b were though.
@@Nerthos shoulda stuck to film then 😭
When war thunder gives the aim9x to all other countries than America in the next patch for some reason
The missle doesn't care that it is cold because the missle doesn't know it is cold. It's a missle, not a thermostat afterall.
Cool channel, gonna binge it later ;)
Huh... I see the video has no Audio but I hear is:
*BEEP* Missile! *BEEP. BEEP. BEEP.* Missile! *BEEP-BEEP-BEBEBEBE*
This is just a missile test with no missile warning so this more like just: bfffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttt
@@ranger6609 not only that, the aim-9 has no missile warning since it’s an IR tracker, not a radar tracker.
@@rite.3839 Yeah lol, forgot about that
@@rite.3839 there is IR missile sensor in lots of plane now, it detects the smoke of the exhaust for example. Mirage 2000, Rafale, for example are equipped with this kind of sensor.
*weird growl*
_EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_
Fortunately the thrust vectoring fins have a de-icing system that activates as soon as the missile is fired.
I wish this was 39 minutes longer
No wonder those things are so expensive. That's amazing.
That's amazing!
yeah this is very important feature since its going to be pretty damn cold while flying up there. But what about the wings on it?
so that thrust vectoring actually works lmao
you don't need the wings on it because it's a static test.
It's going to melt almost instantly due to supersonic heating
The 9X just has fixed forward canard fins, no wings. Any ice on these will not be there after a couple of secs of boost!
I am surprised, I didnt know toasters could film
AIM-9X Block 2 is between 300k- 400k. Not bad at all for one of the most capable close in air to air missiles
Does it perform that exercise before launching? If so, when? (If not, it's going to fly crazy for a few seconds.)
There is a "cool down" for the seeker head, but I could see icing building up on it well after that's done.
This will get me through morning traffic
nothing will stop the aim 9
Brother, i Crave the Forbidden Heat Signature!
Pretty neato
How long is the burn time of an aim 9? What material are the jet vanes made of?
The amazing part how it rings the door before it blows the house up.😂
Incredibly impressive
owo
How'd you solve the icing problem?
"So how'd you solve the icing problem?"
let's be honest nobody searched for this video
I did
@@ofish3582 dcs player moment
@@tobyadog no, i just have a hard-on for missile vectoring systems
@@ofish3582 ahaha i see
I can't wait till people stop posting this comment
Aw that's cute tbh like a bird all iced up suddenly breaking free and giving its wings a wiggle :3
what the fuck
gay
HOWD YOU SOLVE THE ICING PROBLEM?
But how do they get the ice out of the quantum teleportation device?
they solved the icing problem.
when mom tries to clean the sock
damn... now i wanna know how the mechanicals work
The missile solve the icing problem
It's for a missile, for those who don't know what AIM-9 is
Yep, "Air Intercept Missile".
I wish I could have heard what it sounded like when it broke free from the ice
Even without sound I could hear how loud this was
Wtf did they use for actuators? Those servos are stronger than I am
well no fucking shit they are stronger
Cool
Oh, I know this... it's like an old-fashioned ice tray!!
That method of thrust vectoring is the same method the V2 used
Yep. S-400 is the same. Tried and true, and simpler than gimballing the nozzle.
literally me 🔥
a perfect yabujincore post
What kind of actuator is used there?
Electric, with some rather impressive little geared torque motors! Do not put fingers in the way, but then if you were foolish enough to do so, the rocket motor would roast you pretty quick!!
Cool 👍
Talk about a cool missile
Is it hydraulically actuated?
I don't know. Probably not. Hydraulics would be heavy. Probably electric.
Fully electric....and it is not pure thrust vector like R 73...it is more like guide vane system.
No
@@sferrin2 In fact there is wa-ay more sophisticated and ingenius system! They powered by the pressure of slow burning gun powder in a special steel pressure chamber. That pressure actuate two pistons (X and Y axis) with a force about 300kg each and being regulated by electrically closing and opening small bypass holes in those pistons.
@@Zortorond Wwwhat? this sounds interesting, but I can't find anything about. Can you give some sauce, or keywords to search?
If your plane has that much ice on it, you’re still screwed.
Must use Titanium for those Tail Fins
Icy hot
Titanium isn't all that heat resistant. More so than Aluminum, sure. But not more so than a good stainles ssteel or similar. if you want to be truly wowed, google inconel....
@@Zonkotron Insofar as that titanium is actually outright flammable.
@@Zonkotron Google says titanium melts at 1600 C, and inconel melts between 1200 and 1400 C. Inconel must be cheaper anyway, so it's probably better suited for the application.
@@EddSjo I never realized it melts that early, which is amazing, because it means the crazy stuff, unlike titanium, doesnt burn and retains a good deal of strength up to about 1000°, almost the melting point. That is something most plain metals cannot do. In a jet engine, the compressor blades often are titanium and the turbine blades are inconel or worse. Very odd that it melts earlier but definitely operates better at a yellow heat.
Now they throwing gold chains n bling on this deadly missile? Damn..
it just works
$380,000 for just one! Ill make them cheaper!
Nice deicing mechanism, however, this isn't a thrust vectoring motor. The vectoring mechanism adjusts simple fins which counter the airflow, not the thrust. True thrust vectoring missiles can be used in space, since the thrust itself is vectored. An AIM-9 in space would be unable to alter its trajectory.
Pretty ingenious putting the bottom of the fins in the actual thrust stream.
Yay war and killing machines!
The missile knows where you are.
Clever af....
Neat
When you turn on the windshield wipers before removing the ice.
My toilet could use a new one of these
Pretty cool
Hehehe get it.... cool..... yeah I know it
Wasn’t pretty good...
Vectoring test results in ice?
Have to make sure it's still going to work if it ices over in flight.
So a rocket motor burns through ice. Today's technology never ceases to amaze ;).
Go back to school kid.
>today's technology
read this as a phonograph's voice...
«The AIM-9 Sidewinder ("AIM" for "Air Intercept Missile") is a short-range air-to-air missile. Entering service with the United States Navy in 1956 and the Air Force in 1964, the AIM-9 is one of the oldest, cheapest, and most successful air-to-air missiles!»
Quite simple I’m surprised
Now i am wondering how many humans would it take to pull a aim-9x
The balloon poper 9000
POV: You fire an AIM-9X and it does a 360 degree turn and hits you.
Glad to know that it works.
THE MISSILE KNOWS WHERE IT IS BECAUSE IT KNOWS WHERE IT ISNT
BUT WHERE IS IT ??
YABBA! MY ICING!
0:12 spicy burrito ate last night
It just straight-up doesn't care.
How , when it was literally frozen solid?
Actuators are stronger.
Wont exactly be icy for long if its in flight..
Must be titanium fins
The next warthunder leak is here.
I was wondering if I could beat someone to this
Now encase it in a block of ice :>
that's one hole I wouldn't want to stick my hand in
I don't know why I clicked on this
I don't understand a single word in the title
I click
It's a system of a missile which changes where the rocket fires to help the missile make quicker turns
How effective is the thrust vectoring system in practice? I'd imagine the missile would burn out before reaching the target in many realistic combat situations.
very effective! it means modern missiles (such as MICA, ASRAAM etc) can pull an extreme amount of G's, 50G in case of the two I mentioned. This means that the missile can end up pointing at the target (or where it needs to head to intercept it) much more quickly, maximising the amount of available rocket thrust that is available to propel the missile forwards, which thereby reduces time to intercept.
net result being that you get a quicker kill, on a target that a missile without thrust vectoring would be unable to hit (as it would be too tightly inside of the missile's turn radius)
The missile continues to guide after burnout until it stalls, and in cases where the range is too great then things like the AMRAAM will be used.
9X engine is actually really good, the missile can be into certain extend used as bvr weapon
The 9X doesnt only rely on TV for guidance. It still has fins. The TVs maint purpose is to turn in really tight circles in dogfights. For almost any other engagement modern jets would use Fox-3s.
love the picture quality. What is it, about 1p?
Go find a higher rez one and I'll post it. Oh.
Two different theories of mass flow design...
AIM-9X: 1
Chinese Balloon: 0
i amma leak this to war thunder so they will make aim 9 even more op
Can’t wait to see this in war thunder....
No, screw you and your game breaking shit, leave the community and never come back
@@eliaslundstedt5607 I was being sarcastic buddy
@@chickennugg3847 Oh I hope you were
Hightier is already missile thunder enough
@@standardheat-fs8159 No put it on the Po-2
The fins in the first part of the video, is that the ones mounted at the "seeker" at the front?
Nope. On previous models of the AIM-9 it was the nose fins that actuated and the tail fins were fixed. On the -9X variants though they are tail controlled with fixed forward fins. In the video above, the small yellow sections of the "fins" are vanes in the rocket exhaust for steering.
No high tech garbage here, just simple solutions to make air combat as cheap as possible
Making air combat as cheap as possible isn't a thing lmao. They're not trying to save us money.
@@ColHogan-zg2pc cheap is spammable
I've no idea why I'm watching this or how it is in my front page.
You and me both buddy. For some reason it's getting a lot of traffic for being about as obscure as it gets.
Aww it's hatching.