Thrust Vectoring F18 Hornet |The NASA Dryden HARV Project
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2020
- Thrust Vectoring - on an F18 Hornet! The Story of the NASA Dryden HARV Project:
The F-18 HARV or High Alpha Research Vehicle was a NASA testbed used to study performance at high angles of attack or alpha. The aircraft flew from 1989 to 1996 in a 3 phased research program that progressively added modifications to the Hornet. Let's take a look at the specifications of the F-18 HARV
Specifications
Length: 56 FT (17.1 M)
Height: 10 FT 6 IN (3.2 M) AT CANOPY
Wingspan: 37 FT 5 IN (11.4M)
Maximum speed: initially Mach 1.8 (1,190 MPH/1,915 KMH), subsonic with later modifications
Phase 1 weight: 31,980 LB, WITH 6,480 LB OF INTERNAL FUEL 14,506 KG / 2939 KG
Phase 2 and 3 weight: 36,099 LB ALSO WITH 6,480 LB OF INTERNAL FUEL 16,374 KG / 2939KG
Engines: Thrust Class
Each General Electric
EACH F404-GE-400 turbofan engines,
each producing 16,000 LB of thrust 71.17 kN WITH afterburner.
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The aircraft that would become the F-18 HARV was actually a pre production F/A-18 and the sixth one ever built. Having been assigned Bureau Number 160780, this particular F18 was chosen as a testbed because it had a spin chute installed as the NAVY had used it to evaluate spin performance and recovery. Under NASAs use the aircraft was designated number 840.
The HARV program was a joint effort between NASA's Dryden, Ames, Langley and Lewis research centers. By the time NASA received the aircraft, it had been cannibalized for spare parts so extensively by the Navy it was assumed that the aircraft would never fly again. In fact, the engineers cataloged 400 missing parts and virtually no documentation of the existing wiring system. To get 840 airworthy, the mechanics and technicians had to cut out the existing wiring, find substitute parts, assemble and rewire the aircraft. By the time they were done, the words "Silk Purse" were painted on the fuselage, a take on the expression you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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Footage and stills:
NASA Dryden Research Flight Center
www.nasa.gov/centers/armstron...
DCS World HARV Skin:
www.digitalcombatsimulator.co...
F22 and F35 footage courtesy of Lockheed Martin:
www.lockheedmartin.com/
HARV Museum Photos courtesy of Rod Bearden:
Rodbearden.com
#F18 #HARV #NASA
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I’ve seen Australian Hornets sitting at 50 degrees, almost hovering as they flew over us maintaining perfectly...
Can’t even imagine what 70 degrees would look like, that’s nuts!
Fancy seeing you here Mr Scottish Koala explains .
@thescottishKoala I tried flying 50 degrees in DCS...fun and challenging! Thanks for commenting and looking forward to a collab!
True, 50 degrees is eye catching, 70 degrees is nuts, but what is really mind blowing is the reported X29 89 degrees!!!!
Crazy how Americans research thrust vectoring and never apply it on their aircraft until the f22 but good for Russia they don’t need to research anything just let the Americans do the experiment we just apply it to our jet
William Jr There’s an old aviation adage that while the americans take years planing, projecting, developing; other countries are using it!
I have over 1500 hours in the Hornet, beginning in 1982. Some of the maneuvers I have seen in recent air show footage, the high alpha regime has indeed been expanded. Due no doubt to the testing performed at Edwards. We used to routinely fly to what was then relatively high alpha.
We obviously had only touched on the full capabilities of the Hornet. Thanks for this video. Made an old geezer remember the good ole days.
Nice
@@hughjass3266 just being able to trap onto a carrier makes you a beast of a pilot air, but that many hours makes you a true badass. Much respect from a former civil Air Patrol cadet.
They took this data and applied it to the F-22 project 2 decades later. The F-22 doesn't have 360° thrust vectoring, instead it uses two independent vertical thrust vectoring nozzles. It allows them to use thrust vectoring for fast roll maneuvers, or crazy pitch up or down maneuvering. It also doesn't prevent them from being able to go supersonic.
And combined with the massive fucking rudders and high T/W achieves the same maneuverability as 3d+ canards.
Yep it’s called 2D thrust vectoring
Yeah um that makes no sense... This plane flew AFTER the yf22.
@@chadnelson1777Interestingly, the Ruzzians also use 2D thrust vectoring. They just vector the engines at a 45° angle to simulate 3D vectoring. The F-15 ACTIVE and the F-16 with thrust vectoring used true 360° nozzles which the Ruzzians couldn’t replicate.
I'd still love to see an F18 with thrust vectoring. I think it would basically make it into the American SU37
You’re definitely right, it was a golden age for these experimental aircraft back then! Makes me wonder what kinds of experimental projects they’re researching nowadays. On a completely unrelated note, for the Ace Combat fans out there, this era was likely the inspiration for AC7’s EASA, and Mihaly’s Su-30SM. The orange wingtip paint scheme, dry lakebed test facility, and even the Worm logo are extremely similar. Also another interesting note - the CFA-44 Nosferatu design has a converge nozzle inside the three paddle thrust vectoring module, which explains why it’s capable of supersonic speeds.. they really thought things out for the design! Anyway sorry for going off topic but thanks for making this video, really interesting topic! I remember seeing the black F-18 HARV on a poster that I got from an air show at Ames back in 2003. So glad to finally get to learn a lot more about the design. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the excellent points on the Ace Combat crossover...I am planning on livestreaming through an Ace Combat 7 play through and AC related videos in the future. Stay tuned!
CNN after reading praise to Russian technology: _"ORANGE WINGTIP BAD!"_
Political commentary aside: XFA-27 and CFA-44 were my favourite Ace Combat designs because they seemed well thought and relatively realistic. It's a shame the Falken and especially the Wyvern have become the most iconic fictional planes in the franchise when the first seems barely capable to lift-off with its abysmal wing area and the later would cramble apart at g 5 with its retarded retractable reverse wing design.
An F/A-18E with HARV technology and a railgun sounds like my default setting. ;)
@@nickkorkodylas5005 Funnily enough, the Falken is capable of flying on the X-plane aerodynamic simulation... But yes. Most of the original aircraft are the classical case of "function follows form".
@@DonVigaDeFierro Funnily enough, the Falken is based on an existing design.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL-230_Skorpion
It's just that the real one was planned as a light CAS-aircraft and not a supermaneuverable dogfighter (and the engines did not stupidly protrude way past the wing/lifting body area).
This research looks like the precursor to how the Su-35 and -37 has become so agile.
This aircraft, the F-15 ACTIVE, and the thrust vectoring F-16 were more maneuverable than any Sukhoi, as the basic airframes were better to begin with, and because they developed true 360° thrust vectoring (at least on the F-15) which was superior to what Ruzzia uses. However, the US decided against putting thrust vectoring on future aircraft besides the F-22 (which was already in production), because it tempted pilots to get into turning fights instead of sticking to the US tactics that have been effective since 1942 and continue to be superior.
@@bluemarlin8138 wasn’t the thrust vectoring on the F-16 MATV better? It was also 360° and performed the kulbit and flatspin maneuvers effortlessly.
@@PegasusTenma1not sure but it sure could have been.
Being into aviation my whole life, thought I seen them all,
Never knew of a TVC F-18, how cool!
Now I want to see an TVC Supertomcat...
Watch Robotech ! Lol
@@ozzy7763 Hahaha seriously, they really made an animation of it? Will check, thanks XD
IV EV it’s an old Japanese Anime from back when I was a kid ! Lol. Not really a Tomcat but the Veritech was definitely inspired by the Cat ! Lol. You should google Rick Hunters Veritech !
XFA-27
@@ozzy7763 hahahaa
will do thanks bud
Imagine the type of experimental aircraft they're testing in 2020
Maneuverability isn't as important in the age of stealth. Don't expect much
@@karlsinger4760 hate to tell you but you are very wrong in that regard. Stealth does not make you invisible and the Air Force as well as aircraft manufacturers know this. Maneuverability in regards to fighters and multi-roll future air craft is still key.
Its just AC7
Probably nothing with a pilot onboard😐😐
The U.S. Air Force announced they tested a prototype of a 6th generation fighter yesterday.
Don't forget the F-16 CCV/AFTI! That thing could yaw like a racecar and freak everybody out.
Indeed! I plan on a VISTA video and depending on how much source material I can find will either include the CCV/AFTI as a separate video or combine them. Thanks for commenting and for being a subscriber!
Great info that my kids, one in the Navy, didn't know. Now they will. Their WW2 Grandpa was with P47s. Thanks
Thank your kids for their service and I plan a video all about the P-47, hopefully it will do their grandpa proud. Thanks for commenting and glad you enjoyed the video.
I really appreciate that you show units in metric and imperial, it really helps me to actually understand what's being talked about.
Thank you glad to do that and thanks for commenting!
Great video, there are so many interesting planes I didn’t know about
Glad you enjoyed it and more on the way!
I hadn't even heard of the HARV until an earlier video where you discussed it in brief. This was an excellent overview of what was clearly a critical program in the development of the US's fifth generation fighter aircraft.
Many thanks!
Former Navy jet pilot, trained in F-9F, A-4H, and crashed in A-3D---well sure! Loved it, just want to know where that technology is NOW for us---I know Russia and China use it.
Thanks for your service and looks like you had a great career...glad you survived the A-3D crash...I met someone who flew them as well and he told me the nickname was All Three Dead....ouch!
Canada has not stopped
Amazing video, thank you for taking the time to explain the physics and history behind the jet. I always lean something new from every video
Great job dude. So much hard work was obviously put into this and is appreciated. Please keep more coming
Thank you much appreciated!
Another great one! Info dense, well thought out, straightforward. These NASA demo planes are inspired and you do such a good job.
I've been here watching your journey when it comes to these types of videos. Very informative and educational! They've helped me consider whether or not on joining the Air Force, Navy, or Marine Corps to become a pilot. I hope your success can lead to more people to understand the majesty of these great aircraft!
Great video Ive been waiting for this video since you asked if we would watch it and let me say you didnt disappoint. Awesome job.
I've been waiting for this!
Your channel is really great and reliable! 🙏🏼
What a terrific video. Can't wait for the next one. Excellent research. Thank you!
Great job again! Been looking forward to this video. I've been watching videos on the x planes for years but I don't remember ever seeing a video on this aircraft. Thank you
Your videos about these more obscure aircraft are truly gems!
Thank you, glad you enjoy them!
By following your normal subscriber progression, I'd say here comes 20K subscribers! You earned that for sure. Good job sir!
High quality content bud. I love the videos and detail you provide. Thank you for what you do, it's appreciated!
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank you for your work. I love these experimental aircraft. They really make me wonder about the future. Please keep doing this.
Thanks, will do and glad you enjoyed the video!
Great video, I remember watching this a/c taking off during that time out at Edwards AFB. Being stationed out at Edwards AFB was amazing being able to see A/C most don’t ever get to see fly.
I'm really glad I found this channel I enjoy all your videos can't wait for the next one
Absolutely loving your channel! Fascinating stuff! You’re covering stuff I’ve never seen anyone else cover. 👍
Greetings from Colorado! More please-all of your ideas. This was FAscinating. Thank you.
Outstanding piece of work man - keep this up Sir
Outstanding job! Loved it! Encore, encore!!😂👍👁👁🇺🇸
Awesome work from the HARV, and the lessons are priceless; thank you Juan for another great piece of work, and I'll be waiting on the F-16 video!!👍
Thanks Juan, and thanks for your ongoing support! Working on the VISTA video as well as the X-32
@@PilotPhotog Thank you too, I wish I could help the channel but my situation is hard at the moment!!
@@juanarce6900 no worries and I immensely appreciate your comments and continued support!
Thank you for making the video also I can't wait to see the F 16 Vista video.
Yay! You got it out
Nice mate. Good job. Loved it. Look forward to that F16. Didn't know about that one either. Salivating
@PilotPhotog Another great video on another great plane mate. Thanks for posting
i cant wait, love your work!!
Thanks for the all the awesome content ! Really good stuff..
Glad you enjoy it!
Your work is awesome on the researching of the HARV (Hornet), every new technology has years of research behind it. We have not been privy to the actual programs for years. Your presentation allowed many to see the evolution to todays gen 6 platforms. When the P-51 design hit the world, it was unheard of... Yea, Top Secret and all that, but the actual designers never got the benefits of years of development. Rushed into production for the war effort, it was found lacking after actual experience of veteran combat pilots, changes were designed and implemented along the way. And the world had the first true air dominance platform. (my humble opinion). Kinda sounds like the F-35... The F-16 was the modern P-51.
You did an outstanding job putting this together!
Thank you much appreciated!
Amazing video....its too powerful and great abilities of these aircrafts which shows in this video...thanks for sending video...
I'm a bit surprised that someone actually used their brain in regard to using an aircraft, purpose-built, for high angles of attack, for this project.
In the 90's research was still going Cold War full bore. Edwards was busy as could be. After the collapse of the Soviet Union focus shifted, but still had to address evolving threats.
you're surprised that world class NASA engineers and scientists used their brains?
What a very instructive video!
Great information.
Beautifully made video bro!
Super nice video of F-18 hornet also other aircrafts which had technical relationship with F- 18 hornet and steps of developing each versions of these air crafts...too interests video thanks....amazing shapes and colours
I’ve always enjoyed all of your videos, however your content keeps getting better and better, you pick some really incredible subjects PilotPhotog!
Me: impatiently waiting for F-16 vista video.
I appreciate that! I try to get a little better with each video...sourcing footage for the VISTA video and the....X-32 video as well. Stay tuned!
Thanks for this video. Never knew about this plane. The planes on the nose are a very interesting feature.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for commenting
Love it . Looking forward to the falcon video. Subscribed.
Thanks for this fantastic video...
Great video! Thanks so much.
Awesome vid!!!!!
awesome. it was the blacksmiths solution to the thrust vectoring problem ....... it got better later but it needed weight to prove it in the beginning, i salute you engineers
Great video!
What a Great Video,,,I seen the short takeoff F - 15 fly at endwards,,,and the SR - 71 ,,,,one of my all time favorites demonstrations was the SR 71 with one engine flyby....keep up the Good Work
Very good, love your vídeos! Congrats from Brazil!
Thank you so much! Greetings from Texas!
That was fascinating!
those back to back handbrake turns by tht pilot in the middle of the video are mindblowing when u consider the year it was
Thank you for this. I remember seeing footage of a fighter doing insane manurers a while back but couldn't recall what the plane was and assumed it was Russian - it wasn't, it was the HARV.
Another great video thanks for that all these planes are the reason we have our current and future aircraft like you commented would be nice if the were all at one museum! Not spread out but still it’s nice to see how much research goes into aviation
Thanks for watching, and it would be amazing if these were all in one place!
So I went on to SimplePlanes and put on a quasi-thrust vectoring system on the stock F-18. Manoeuvrability was indeed excellent, but the thing bled energy faster than a decapitated turkey. Welp, time to add those cool looking strakes I guess.
Another thing I should add is that I had the luxury of enlarging the wings to counter the shift in COM in the game, while the chaps of NASA probably had to make do with counterweights irl.
Good point and thanks for commenting, let me know how those strakes work out.
_>the thing bled energy faster than a decapitated turkey_
An understatement, "the thing bled energy faster than a Super Hornet" would be a more accurate comparisson (still beat the F-22 in mock dogfight though).
This is why F-22s don't use thrust vectoring all the time and why thrust vectoring Sukhois are air show meme planes.
@@TK-_-421
t. pre-TOPGUN USN loosing 2 Phantoms for every MiG
8:29 perfectly in sync
Thank you, much appreciated!
Great video sir
Sweet paint job!!
Very impressive presentaton-- full of details which other publications gloss over,. presuming viewer disinterest. That makes your series a definite subscription magnet, and thanks for the effort and investment in quality research.
Awesome video! and I can't wait to see the F-16 Vista, the F-16 is still my favorite plane since childhood. It helped that I saw them fly out from Spangdahlem AFB regularly while I was growing up in Germany (military Family).
Thank you and glad you enjoyed the video! I am researching the VISTA now and will have the video out as soon as possible. Thanks for commenting and for being a subscriber!
F 16 is kinda boring if compared to F 18 HARV or F 15 STOL/MTD but still F 16 is also one of my favorite aircrafts although not most favorite but still it's exciting
Awesome video again!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great coverage!!
Thank you!
this was cool , thank you
Amazing video. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Fascinating research.
I'm sure they learned a lot from it.
Great video. Very cool.
Thanks for commenting
I cant wait to see your future vids
Thank you, new one on Monday with an Eagle pilot who flew in Desert Storm
Love the F/A 18. Yes please make more videos on the research aircraft for TV.
Awesome video, awesome plane! And thanks for the metric numbers
Thank you, I will include both units of measure from now on...thanks for commenting!
@@PilotPhotog Appreciate that :)
The video is cool as usual
Love for your videos
May i suggest, for next video, try mig 1.44 or su 47
Nice job on a well done overview of the HARV program. I was assigned to this program to help install many of the unique flight test and research components you mentioned. As a side note, NASA almost got the VISTA aircraft to do additional aerodynamic work.
Bob
Thanks for commenting and I always appreciate your feedback from someone who was there! Can you imagine what NASA could have done with the VISTA?
Liked the video, hoping for a future video on Rutan's ARES project, and its recent resurrection and successor
Great Video!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for commenting!
Fascinating!
Thank you! Subscribed!!
Facinating, even as a laymen I love this stuff.
Wow something new to learn everyday!
Glad you think so!
It looks really cool
Love to see the x29 as well. Great video.
Thanks for commenting and I plan on doing all of the X planes, including the 29
20 years of working on F18's. I did not know about this aircraft. i have worked alphas to Foxtrots and this was new to me
WOW that was a pretty informative vid. I’ve always been fascinated with combat aircraft but have barely scratched the surface of learning about them. The more i learn, the more fascinated i become. I wish sometimes i had begun this learning process in my teen years so that i’ may have directed my career path in college to be a Marine Aviator (or any combat aviator). C’est la vie i suppose. Lol but yeah, had no idea about this thrust vectoring research done with the f-18 & also didn’t fully appreciate the limitations that are overcome when TV is part of fighter plane’s profile! 👍🏻
fun fact: Malaysian Air Force still prefers their Legacy Hornet over their top of the line Su-30MKMs. The Sukhois can pull more stunts, but the Hornet can pull enough alpha to keep up with everyone in a dogfight (and way easier to maintain too!)
Good to know and thanks for commenting!
@deadfrontier240 no, but i do hear a lot of approvals of the Hornet from these people. They really like the Hornet, the last AF chief even said he wanted more Hornets and no more Russian jets. It's the least problematic jet in their service.
@deadfrontier240 yeah something like that. Supply issues + how the jets itself are designed.
it is true that Flankers have (way) better on paper specs and performance. Another thing is Western fighters have more intuitive man-machine interface and more versatile weapons than Russian systems.
If you put a new fighter pilot or a pilot who flew old Russian jets in a Flanker, he'd think it's great, but if you put a Hornet pilot in a Flanker cockpit he'd prolly think it's somewhat horribly designed lol. You can mitigate this with more training or modifications but then again you'd rather have something with less workload during combat.
I saw one flying while over decade ago during my teaching practice. It was far away but I could still recognize it's silhouette and the dark gray skin(the MIG 29s were lighter gray) against the bright blue sky. I saw another much closer just over a year ago as it flew in front of my hotel. I thought another one flew past my village a couple of months ago but sadly it turned out to be just a steam roller clanking about at high speed in front of my house.
Several years there was an incursion of sort by some foreigners and the country's military response was spearheaded with a bombing run with F/A18s. I was surprised by this because I expected the new MULTI-ROLE COMBAT AIRCRAFT SU-30MKMs would be chosen.
@deadfrontier240 I know it's anecdotal but USN technicians have told me that F-18As were major hangarwhores and the -C models weren't significantly better.
Wow, very interesting documentary!
Thank you!
Excellent information 👌🏻
Thank you and thanks for commenting
I cant wait for the video on the Vista. Hard to find any content on it. Great job bud. 👍
Thank you and working on sourcing info and footage.
@@PilotPhotog thats a tall order im thinking. Look forward to it.
Love this guy. I wish you good fortune 🙏
Thank you much appreciated!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
I was a civilian Firefighter at Edwards during that era. I miss being around those programs
Glad this plane is still around!
Annnd we are past 20K subscribers! Congrats Sir!
Thank you and thanks for all of your support!
New sub, awesome channel keep it up 👏👏👏
Thank you very much!
Great test bed
That time period was fantastic. I was able to visit Edward's in the nineties. It was after the f22 and f23 trials during the c17 trials, the b2 was based there for a bit (couldn't get anywhere near it. The f23 was sitting on the flight early without any security nut there armed guards at the special hanger the b2 was housed. They were also doing some testing on the ac130 as a couple were in the hangar. I missed the x planes though. Thanks for finding these treasures bring back a lot of good memories for me.
awsome,absolutley awsome.
Man, that murdered-out Hornet is badass lookin’.
Love NASA's love for blacked out planes