Me too Javi... would love to add a Grönefeld to my collection, and I've warned those who own one not to leave them unattended while I'm in the vicinity.😉 Take care, Bill
$400 is the entry point to true historic horological; the Bulova Lunar Pilot. Bulova built every single clock and timing instrument for the space program, both in the ships and on the ground; the 262khz movement in the BLP (and precisionist) is a call-back to the movements used in those instruments. The BLP is one of only two models to walk on the moon (we can’t prove the GMT, because the astronaut that took it never went to the surface, he said he gave it to another crew member to take). If you want a direct connection to horological history… $400 is your entry point.
Hey Vintage, that's one way to look at it. "Historic Horological" ... ok. Well actually...there is one little thing... what about the work that Waltham Watches did with MIT in the work they did on precision timing back in the late 50s and early 60s? Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci what precision timing? They worked on the gyroscope project and showed them how to do precision machining; nothing to do with precision timing. Now, you could go back and point out that after the Gettysburg Address, Lincoln was gifted a Waltham 1857. That would be a sweet piece of history to use as a bulletin point. :)
Hi Bill Have that Moser.....Top watch..I picked it myself in the factory and they introduced me the watchmaker who assembled it..... Unbeatable experience.
I'm totally amazed at the prices of watches today , a few years ago I got out my Datejust that I bought in 1974 cleaned it up and started looking on the internet for prices & was amazed at what they were charging back then i think they wanted 3,500 today one like mine Two Tone with a silver linen dial selling for 5 to 6 thousand . Thanks Bill 🙏
Hey Junior, while my wife wants to throw out everything of mine, I just know that Disco is coming back and they'll charge a fortune for bell-bottom Disco duds! Smart move keeping that Datejust! Take care, Bill
Hi Nef, the LF is one of my favorite watches to look at, but when I tried some on, they seemed very light. I prefer more 'heft' in my watches. Take care, Bill
Some Grand Seiko and CREDOR models with the Micro Artist Studio superlative hand-finishing sometimes pop up for great deals preowned. The SBGD202 in rose gold with the lacquered aventurine-like dial went for $32K on Sakura Watches preowned not too long ago. The Eichi ii sometimes is listed for a little bit under $40K.
The Moser heritage is the one there for me it has a certain Patek look about it which is neither here nor there but to me it's a great looking watch either way. That said massive thanks for the video. Great to listen to an expert with no axe to grind who takes each watch on it's own merits irrespective of brand value or perceived value thanks Bill a joy as always
Yes Rich, well said. Drives me nuts when collectors quibble over brands and not content, but brands are easier to comprehend than the complexities (and wonders) of a great movement. Take care, Bill
I think the Principia would be my pick out of the lot, amazing choices. Bill, do you think the Czapek Antarctique Passage de Drake is another good option within this class? Stay cool!
Hi Biggg Sal, the Passage de Drake is a cool watch but not Exceptional Horology. The movement may be by Chronode (an excellent movement), but not EH. The Principia definitely is, and I'd very much like to have one too. Take care, Bill
Great video Bill- I thought that really summed up your taste and the themes that have run through your video's. At this price point you seem to really get excited, and rightly so. For me, the early H Moser Mayu/Monard/Venturer's still represent great value. ( I still think the Henry is a step too far size wise). You can also get a Rolf Lang at decent price, but I am struggling to think of much that is less than $20,000. When I could buy a sports car for the same price as a watch, I begin to question my sanity.
Hi Paul, you could buy a mansion with servants for some of these prices...with a garage for a sports car. They've gone sort of nuts. Yes, Rolf Lang watches are truly hand-made gems, but $20k is a lot; but with the price of gas, Rolf Lang watches run for free! Take care, Bill
Hello Bill, As usual great video. H Moser is amazing company, I love the fact that they don’t include Swiss Made on their dials, since everything is made in house in Switzerland, Many Swiss companies source their parts from all over the world, and assemble everything in Switzerland and respectively include Swiss Made on their dials… Happy 4th neighbor!!!
Happy 4th to you too Alesksandar!...hot and muggy as it may be. Love my Mosers, and am tempted by the Heritage and the green dial Streamliner. Take care, Bill
Hi Alex, yes, really impressive engravings and models. Unique. Jochen Benzinger would seem to have the watchmaking talent to create a unique movement of his own with a constant force mechanism, and perhaps he will some day. Take care, Bill
Great video. Where would you consider Parmigiani Fleurier in the mix? I personally own an early H Moser Myu, one of the only Moser watches I can actually wear with my small wrists. I think that if Moser would create a new endeavour in a smaller size, that would be a huge hit! Moser is getting more popular but still has a long way to go I think. They are still somewhat under appreciated.
Daniel, I've always considered Parmigiani Fleurier exceptional horology. I have the center second version of the Mayu...I always forget what it's called. It was re-named the Endeavour Center Seconds. Fabulous underrated watches. I have 2 and wouldn't part with either one! Take care, Bill
Encyclopedic as always Bill. The Max Büsser and Friends is just simply modern art. Question: Why wasn’t the Czapek Quai Des Bergues on the list? Those retail and are available for under 20k. I love the Moser and would like to add one to my collection soon. Can we really and truly call these entry level? Adios from the Caribbean Bill. See you soon upon my return to CT in the late summer. CJ.
Hi CJ, it's almost an oxymoron to talk about entry level exceptions. Aren't Czapek's movements primarily Chronode? They're quite good and definitely high horology, but probably not exceptional. Take care, Bill
I would love a 6119 from my AD but that's just a pipedream for me. I'm thinking of a Vacheron Triple Calendrier 1942 you just reviewed, that's still obtainable.
That VC 3x calendar has haunted me for years. I know if I got it, I'd have to re-set 3 calendars instead of 1 (or preferable none), Truman, but still it is among one of my favorite watches. Take care, Bill
Good point Clyde. If you look at the www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/ definition of "High Horology" and knock it up a notch without the requirement for precious metals and disallowing silicon in the movement ... that's about it. Generally, we're talking about watches with movements made by master watchmakers but includes such companies as H. Moser et Cie because so many of the exceptional movements have a Straumann Hairspring by H. Moser's Precision Engineering it would be an oxymoron to exclude them. That's about 'The best I can do' for your excellent definitional query. Take care, Bill
Bill, I bounced around that website for a few minutes and didn’t see a definition. When I look around elsewhere online, it seems to be a pretty contentious topic, so I would like to hear your thoughts
Some lovely watches there, Bill. I very much like that Asaoka - unusual. I think the market for this level of watchmaking (and several below) has gone crazy. Investor money has utterly skewed the market making it all but inaccessible for the private enthusiast. You were very fortunate to be in this market a few years ago! It's definitely 'buyer beware' - I can't help but think there's a lot of 'smoke and mirrors' at play! The level I still see bargains is the traditional mid - entry Breguet and Blancpain. Nice FP movements and some exceptional traditional design and finishing. Breguet Classique for half the price of a Calatrava?! No comparison! OK, its unlikely to 'make' money, but you spent £15k less!
James, I think that some of the older Breguets may demonstrate horological value, but the newer ones under the Swatch banner...not so much. From 1980-about 1987, the resurgent Breguet was owned by the Chaumet brothers, and young talented watchmakers like Daniel Roth and Michel Parmigiani were creating the movements that reflected Abraham Louis Breguet's tradition of excellence. Then in 1999 when Swatch took over the brand the key watchmakers at Breguet were long gone. Now, every new Breguet has a silicon balance spring and escapement, and have lost all of the luster and talent of their namesake. Lest one be judged a 'Luddite,' standing in the way of progress-let me point out that quartz and smart watches represent the real timekeeping progress; not silicon in transitional mechanical watches. Classiques are pretty, and while I prefer the Tradition models of Breguet, none of the new ones have any appeal at all. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Very interesting, Bill. I appreciate your perspective on this. Tradition is my favourite model and surely does justice to the legacy of ALB. While I agree the modernised Lemania and FP (Blancpain) movements in eg Classique and Marine line aren't necessarily 'authentic' Breguet, I think other aspects of the watches such as enamel work, guilloche and case design are. I still maintain that a great watch is a combination of the engineering and the aesthetic - that is the sophistication. I dislike a brilliant movement in a hideous watch as much as a weak movement in a beautiful one. There is a balance in all watches, after all!
Hey SP! Great to hear from you. With the recent jump in watch prices, you could probably buy a house with a garage to put that Porsche in...😉 Take care, Bill
Well seeing as how the holy trinity has been making the same watch for over 300 years I would say yes you can pick up some real bargains if you know where to look and aren’t too hung up on hype. But watch collecting was a much cheaper pursuit 30 yrs ago. The egos of the new “collector” and easy access to media platforms have pushed prices out to the stratosphere. They just couldn’t keep their mouths shut they had to show off their collections to the world. As always vanity leads to the fall.
The best watchmakers, does this still holds today! Don’t think you can’t buy that AP (which I don’t care for) anywhere near the retail price. Love the VC. Anyway.
Usually, Pierre, these are watches by very talented individual watchmakers, not by larger watch entities like AP, VC or PP (even though I favor VC.) Take care, Bill
They're good to know about what makes them exceptional, Claubėr. Then we look for those exceptional features in watches we can afford ... and then get it before we tell everyone else.😉 Take care Bill
Andreas, what I'd really like to see is a base movement by Marco Lang (who did the UWD 33.1) that I (or other watch companies) could buy and create watches with an excellent movement. Take care, Bill
Hey Bill, Would the Harry Winston you own be considered EH? I was wondering what all the criteria is other than price. Will make a video on what separates HH from Exceptional with some examples? Thanks.
I don't think it would be EH, and for that watch I really don't think it matters. Essentially, it's a gold watch with two exceptional features: 1) double retrograde; and 2) Swivel lugs. The design is quintessential HW, which is nice, the movement is an off-the-shelf GP automatic, and it's very well made. It's just a cool watch to have knowing that Jean-Marc Wiederrecht did the retrograde design. Take care, Bill
Good question Rog. The manual wind VC1400 is a 4Hz, VC design, and I don't believe it has a JLC base. It's one of their Geneva Seal movements, and all of those are in-house. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, how come alot of the nice entry level watches such as lange saxonia thin, vacheron constantin traditionnelle, and AP royal oak chose to only use a single barrel in their movement if double barrel in parallel or in series would be more accurate? Could it be that using more than a single barrel is more prone to breakage due to shock?
It depends on a lot of different considerations they're making. My Lang & Heyne Friedrich II only has a single barrel as does my Habring2. Good shock absorbers work with one or two barrels so I don't think it has anything to do with shock, Akmaster. Take care, Bill
Thank you for sharing this information. I have got a question for you! have you done a complete review of Laurent Ferrier! I'd like to hear your thoughts about them! Thank you in advance..
I have a Tissot Classic - square elegant stainless steel / and also Tag Heuer -Formula 1 Black and Red . Both watches are on quartz! Are them an Entry level? Thanks
@@watchartsci they are expensive...they need periodic rewinding- more expensive...I am NOT a millioanaire, or a rich kid...so...DOESNT make sense for a normal person to invest in such old fashioned...BUT! I ll be honest...I like them though! Cheers/PS For me those 2 watches are enough...one elegant and one sport! ...and good made in Swiss!
You can't put any 3 hander in an exceptional category. And their prices are more to do with marketing and snob value than actual value, over 50k for stainless steel 3 handers is a joke at half that price. That has to be reserved for incredible complications.
Hi Kevin, over complications is like over engineering. A simple watch with a remontoir d'egalité would fill the bill, but very few watchmakers have the skill to create such a function. Take care, Bill
I will disagree. Most of the brands mentioned are mass produced albeit relatively low numbers. Exceptional horology has to be the handful made each year like urwerk in the modernist section and bovet and jp in the more traditional high complication watches. You might aswell add rolex to your list just on the grounds that they make a decently finished watch at a ridiculous price. At least theirs can be partly explained by their advertising bill, although they pay zero tax at source which rather cancel that out, and seiko GS certainly deserve to be in your list and possibly mine with their superb finish and spring drive.
@@kevinjamesdawes7223 I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. You think slapping on more complications like a Dagwood sandwich is exceptional horology? No. Simple and elegant solutions, like Remontoire, parallel double barrels. You don't have to worry about an oversupply of either. Take care, Bill
Its called the fetishisation of consumer products. What you have here are luxury goods, some gorgeous and brilliant examples of the craft, whose value are based on perceived scarcity. Whilst noting the absurdity of describing them as possible entry level I am left incredulous by them as a concept, their desirability made more fervent by a new apparent generations of so called horologists. Surely the mastery of longitude was the last hurrah of the mechanical timepiece and the fact that more than one wristwatch is competing for attention is indicative of a type of madness.
Hi Clive, I like to think of watch collection as a disease of layered bank accounts, and while $70,000 does indeed sound a tad banal as an 'entry level' expense, a friend of mine recently spend $250,000 for a bespoke Voutilainen; so $70k is indeed 'entry level' in the right context. Even more so, I believe are prices in the art world. The two Matisse signed prints my wife and I purchased in Paris some years ago are only unique insofar as the artist scribbled his signature in pencil. Prints can be run off by the thousands, each one costing no more than a few pennies ... even on good paper. As for the originals, the simple lines of the women's faces by Matisse could have taken no more than a few minutes to dash off can easily fetch $100,000 or more. So when I see a watch by a modern master of watchmaking with a hefty price tag, I consider that even for the best work, we're paying a pittance in terms of effort and talent. Take care, Bill
Every time you feature Grönefeld pieces, I’m always intrigued. Thanks Dr.!
Me too Javi... would love to add a Grönefeld to my collection, and I've warned those who own one not to leave them unattended while I'm in the vicinity.😉 Take care, Bill
$400 is the entry point to true historic horological; the Bulova Lunar Pilot.
Bulova built every single clock and timing instrument for the space program, both in the ships and on the ground; the 262khz movement in the BLP (and precisionist) is a call-back to the movements used in those instruments.
The BLP is one of only two models to walk on the moon (we can’t prove the GMT, because the astronaut that took it never went to the surface, he said he gave it to another crew member to take).
If you want a direct connection to horological history… $400 is your entry point.
Hey Vintage, that's one way to look at it. "Historic Horological" ... ok. Well actually...there is one little thing... what about the work that Waltham Watches did with MIT in the work they did on precision timing back in the late 50s and early 60s? Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci what precision timing? They worked on the gyroscope project and showed them how to do precision machining; nothing to do with precision timing.
Now, you could go back and point out that after the Gettysburg Address, Lincoln was gifted a Waltham 1857. That would be a sweet piece of history to use as a bulletin point. :)
@@vintageswiss9096 Wow! Now that's a piece of history to know!!! Thanks man! Take care, Bill
Yes ! My entry level is F p Journe ! 😎
Happy 4th watch community & Bill 🇺🇸
You're one of those famous FPJ guys now! Besides, you have my favorite CS! Take care, Bill
What a stellar selection of watches! The Grönefeld watches really appeal to me, especially the remontoire versions.
Hi Ced, thanks man! I'm with you on the Remontoire ... wish I could get my mitts on one! Take care, Bill
Beautiful horology, thanks for an exceptional array!
Take care!
My pleasure John! Take care, Bill
Hi Bill
Have that Moser.....Top watch..I picked it myself in the factory and they introduced me the watchmaker who assembled it.....
Unbeatable experience.
Hey PC, that sounds like the richest buying experience possible. Love Mosers and their dedication to excellent horology! Take care, Bill
I'm totally amazed at the prices of watches today , a few years ago I got out my Datejust that I bought in 1974 cleaned it up and started looking on the internet for prices & was amazed at what they were charging back then i think they wanted 3,500 today one like mine Two Tone with a silver linen dial selling for 5 to 6 thousand . Thanks Bill 🙏
Hey Junior, while my wife wants to throw out everything of mine, I just know that Disco is coming back and they'll charge a fortune for bell-bottom Disco duds! Smart move keeping that Datejust! Take care, Bill
Laurant Ferrier would be my choice, I love every watch they make.
Hi Nef, the LF is one of my favorite watches to look at, but when I tried some on, they seemed very light. I prefer more 'heft' in my watches. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci great watches though. Yes light !
@@TimG-- Like an FPJ CS perhaps?😉
Some Grand Seiko and CREDOR models with the Micro Artist Studio superlative hand-finishing sometimes pop up for great deals preowned. The SBGD202 in rose gold with the lacquered aventurine-like dial went for $32K on Sakura Watches preowned not too long ago. The Eichi ii sometimes is listed for a little bit under $40K.
Hi Planner... was the Eichi one of Asaoka's early ones? Thanks, Bill
The Moser heritage is the one there for me it has a certain Patek look about it which is neither here nor there but to me it's a great looking watch either way.
That said massive thanks for the video. Great to listen to an expert with no axe to grind who takes each watch on it's own merits irrespective of brand value or perceived value
thanks Bill a joy as always
Hey Richard, thanks man! Take care, Bill
Another great video Bill… you definitely pick a great topic with great watches. & the MB & F is my favorite but you can’t lose with any of them
Yes Rich, well said. Drives me nuts when collectors quibble over brands and not content, but brands are easier to comprehend than the complexities (and wonders) of a great movement. Take care, Bill
I think the Principia would be my pick out of the lot, amazing choices. Bill, do you think the Czapek Antarctique Passage de Drake is another good option within this class? Stay cool!
Hi Biggg Sal, the Passage de Drake is a cool watch but not Exceptional Horology. The movement may be by Chronode (an excellent movement), but not EH. The Principia definitely is, and I'd very much like to have one too. Take care, Bill
Great video Bill- I thought that really summed up your taste and the themes that have run through your video's. At this price point you seem to really get excited, and rightly so. For me, the early H Moser Mayu/Monard/Venturer's still represent great value. ( I still think the Henry is a step too far size wise). You can also get a Rolf Lang at decent price, but I am struggling to think of much that is less than $20,000. When I could buy a sports car for the same price as a watch, I begin to question my sanity.
Hi Paul, you could buy a mansion with servants for some of these prices...with a garage for a sports car. They've gone sort of nuts. Yes, Rolf Lang watches are truly hand-made gems, but $20k is a lot; but with the price of gas, Rolf Lang watches run for free! Take care, Bill
Hello Bill,
As usual great video. H Moser is amazing company, I love the fact that they don’t include Swiss Made on their dials, since everything is made in house in Switzerland, Many Swiss companies source their parts from all over the world, and assemble everything in Switzerland and respectively include Swiss Made on their dials… Happy 4th neighbor!!!
Happy 4th to you too Alesksandar!...hot and muggy as it may be. Love my Mosers, and am tempted by the Heritage and the green dial Streamliner. Take care, Bill
Jochen Benzinger. Check out his watches. Beautiful. He uses ETA for his base but completely disassembles and re-creates the movement.
Hi Alex, yes, really impressive engravings and models. Unique. Jochen Benzinger would seem to have the watchmaking talent to create a unique movement of his own with a constant force mechanism, and perhaps he will some day. Take care, Bill
great showcase. I still lament that I will never own a rexhep rexhepi
Me too Mistable ... but you never know. Take care, Bill
MB in MB&F stands for Max Busser
Right Alexander! Thanks, Bill
As always Bill; you leave no stone unturned. Great content; keep fighting the fight. I love your passion 😀🙏🏼⌚️
Hey Mr. V! Thanks man! Take care, Bill
I used to feed local seabirds pot cookies and left no tern unstoned.
Ba-dum- bump
@@brinx8634 🙄
Great video. Where would you consider Parmigiani Fleurier in the mix? I personally own an early H Moser Myu, one of the only Moser watches I can actually wear with my small wrists. I think that if Moser would create a new endeavour in a smaller size, that would be a huge hit! Moser is getting more popular but still has a long way to go I think. They are still somewhat under appreciated.
Daniel, I've always considered Parmigiani Fleurier exceptional horology. I have the center second version of the Mayu...I always forget what it's called. It was re-named the Endeavour Center Seconds. Fabulous underrated watches. I have 2 and wouldn't part with either one! Take care, Bill
Encyclopedic as always Bill. The Max Büsser and Friends is just simply modern art. Question: Why wasn’t the Czapek Quai Des Bergues on the list? Those retail and are available for under 20k. I love the Moser and would like to add one to my collection soon. Can we really and truly call these entry level? Adios from the Caribbean Bill. See you soon upon my return to CT in the late summer.
CJ.
Hi CJ, it's almost an oxymoron to talk about entry level exceptions. Aren't Czapek's movements primarily Chronode? They're quite good and definitely high horology, but probably not exceptional. Take care, Bill
I would love a 6119 from my AD but that's just a pipedream for me. I'm thinking of a Vacheron Triple Calendrier 1942 you just reviewed, that's still obtainable.
That VC 3x calendar has haunted me for years. I know if I got it, I'd have to re-set 3 calendars instead of 1 (or preferable none), Truman, but still it is among one of my favorite watches. Take care, Bill
Great video, but did you define 'exceptional horology'?
Good point Clyde. If you look at the www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/ definition of "High Horology" and knock it up a notch without the requirement for precious metals and disallowing silicon in the movement ... that's about it. Generally, we're talking about watches with movements made by master watchmakers but includes such companies as H. Moser et Cie because so many of the exceptional movements have a Straumann Hairspring by H. Moser's Precision Engineering it would be an oxymoron to exclude them. That's about 'The best I can do' for your excellent definitional query. Take care, Bill
Bill, I bounced around that website for a few minutes and didn’t see a definition. When I look around elsewhere online, it seems to be a pretty contentious topic, so I would like to hear your thoughts
Some lovely watches there, Bill. I very much like that Asaoka - unusual. I think the market for this level of watchmaking (and several below) has gone crazy. Investor money has utterly skewed the market making it all but inaccessible for the private enthusiast. You were very fortunate to be in this market a few years ago! It's definitely 'buyer beware' - I can't help but think there's a lot of 'smoke and mirrors' at play! The level I still see bargains is the traditional mid - entry Breguet and Blancpain. Nice FP movements and some exceptional traditional design and finishing. Breguet Classique for half the price of a Calatrava?! No comparison! OK, its unlikely to 'make' money, but you spent £15k less!
James, I think that some of the older Breguets may demonstrate horological value, but the newer ones under the Swatch banner...not so much. From 1980-about 1987, the resurgent Breguet was owned by the Chaumet brothers, and young talented watchmakers like Daniel Roth and Michel Parmigiani were creating the movements that reflected Abraham Louis Breguet's tradition of excellence. Then in 1999 when Swatch took over the brand the key watchmakers at Breguet were long gone. Now, every new Breguet has a silicon balance spring and escapement, and have lost all of the luster and talent of their namesake. Lest one be judged a 'Luddite,' standing in the way of progress-let me point out that quartz and smart watches represent the real timekeeping progress; not silicon in transitional mechanical watches. Classiques are pretty, and while I prefer the Tradition models of Breguet, none of the new ones have any appeal at all. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Very interesting, Bill. I appreciate your perspective on this. Tradition is my favourite model and surely does justice to the legacy of ALB. While I agree the modernised Lemania and FP (Blancpain) movements in eg Classique and Marine line aren't necessarily 'authentic' Breguet, I think other aspects of the watches such as enamel work, guilloche and case design are. I still maintain that a great watch is a combination of the engineering and the aesthetic - that is the sophistication. I dislike a brilliant movement in a hideous watch as much as a weak movement in a beautiful one. There is a balance in all watches, after all!
Impressive list of "entry" exceptional level pieces. You could buy a vintage Porsche for the price of some of these!
Hey SP! Great to hear from you. With the recent jump in watch prices, you could probably buy a house with a garage to put that Porsche in...😉 Take care, Bill
Well seeing as how the holy trinity has been making the same watch for over 300 years I would say yes you can pick up some real bargains if you know where to look and aren’t too hung up on hype.
But watch collecting was a much cheaper pursuit 30 yrs ago. The egos of the new “collector” and easy access to media platforms have pushed prices out to the stratosphere. They just couldn’t keep their mouths shut they had to show off their collections to the world.
As always vanity leads to the fall.
Yeah Ivan, the prices went nuts. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci well we all know where the blame lies.
The best watchmakers, does this still holds today! Don’t think you can’t buy that AP (which I don’t care for) anywhere near the retail price. Love the VC. Anyway.
Usually, Pierre, these are watches by very talented individual watchmakers, not by larger watch entities like AP, VC or PP (even though I favor VC.) Take care, Bill
Amazing watches. It is just a shame that most of us can only see one of these, but not own one.
They're good to know about what makes them exceptional, Claubėr. Then we look for those exceptional features in watches we can afford ... and then get it before we tell everyone else.😉 Take care Bill
puh that Hektor is great...i would like to have one...but only 99 pieces 😒😒...
Good choice Bill 👍👍☺☺
Andreas, what I'd really like to see is a base movement by Marco Lang (who did the UWD 33.1) that I (or other watch companies) could buy and create watches with an excellent movement. Take care, Bill
Great video Bill
What are your thoughts on caliber G-06 compared to RR-01 (Rexhep Rexhepi)?
Anything by Rexhep Rexhepi, Gidi, is a work of horological art. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill. MB&F = Maximilian Büsser & Friends
Hi O Bud, thanks man... I really tripped over my shoe laces mumbling out MB&F;s source name. Take care, Bill
Maximilian Büsser of MB&F.
vingt 8 (28)),
vingt-huit (pronounced: varn tweet)😉
Hey E Whyte, thanks for those clarifications. Now I'm going to be saying "varn tweet" all day because it sounds so cool!😎 Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci 😀,You’re welcome!
Hey Bill,
Would the Harry Winston you own be considered EH? I was wondering what all the criteria is other than price. Will make a video on what separates HH from Exceptional with some examples? Thanks.
I don't think it would be EH, and for that watch I really don't think it matters. Essentially, it's a gold watch with two exceptional features: 1) double retrograde; and 2) Swivel lugs. The design is quintessential HW, which is nice, the movement is an off-the-shelf GP automatic, and it's very well made. It's just a cool watch to have knowing that Jean-Marc Wiederrecht did the retrograde design. Take care, Bill
The entry level VC Patrimony used to have a JLC movement. Do they still use it in the current model? (MB Maximilian Büsser)
Good question Rog. The manual wind VC1400 is a 4Hz, VC design, and I don't believe it has a JLC base. It's one of their Geneva Seal movements, and all of those are in-house. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, how come alot of the nice entry level watches such as lange saxonia thin, vacheron constantin traditionnelle, and AP royal oak chose to only use a single barrel in their movement if double barrel in parallel or in series would be more accurate? Could it be that using more than a single barrel is more prone to breakage due to shock?
It depends on a lot of different considerations they're making. My Lang & Heyne Friedrich II only has a single barrel as does my Habring2. Good shock absorbers work with one or two barrels so I don't think it has anything to do with shock, Akmaster. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci considerations as in cost cutting? and/or planning to leave it for their future releases?
@@akmaster001 I don't know to what extent multiple barrels, parallel or in series plays in any specific decision.
Thank you for sharing this information. I have got a question for you! have you done a complete review of Laurent Ferrier! I'd like to hear your thoughts about them! Thank you in advance..
Hi Rez, check this out: ua-cam.com/video/l__zhXUJXCg/v-deo.html Take care, Bill
I have a Tissot Classic - square elegant stainless steel / and also Tag Heuer -Formula 1 Black and Red . Both watches are on quartz! Are them an Entry level? Thanks
Just mechanical (no quartz) watches, BeFree. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci they are expensive...they need periodic rewinding- more expensive...I am NOT a millioanaire, or a rich kid...so...DOESNT make sense for a normal person to invest in such old fashioned...BUT! I ll be honest...I like them though! Cheers/PS For me those 2 watches are enough...one elegant and one sport! ...and good made in Swiss!
@@watchartsci 20-30 k ...I ll have a super nice car....SO! Cheers
I would like to stress Moritz Grossmann!
Hi Jens, some time ago I did a video on MG (ua-cam.com/video/xiXJVTE8v_8/v-deo.html), and I've always liked them. Take care, Bill
You can't put any 3 hander in an exceptional category. And their prices are more to do with marketing and snob value than actual value, over 50k for stainless steel 3 handers is a joke at half that price. That has to be reserved for incredible complications.
Hi Kevin, over complications is like over engineering. A simple watch with a remontoir d'egalité would fill the bill, but very few watchmakers have the skill to create such a function. Take care, Bill
I will disagree. Most of the brands mentioned are mass produced albeit relatively low numbers. Exceptional horology has to be the handful made each year like urwerk in the modernist section and bovet and jp in the more traditional high complication watches. You might aswell add rolex to your list just on the grounds that they make a decently finished watch at a ridiculous price. At least theirs can be partly explained by their advertising bill, although they pay zero tax at source which rather cancel that out, and seiko GS certainly deserve to be in your list and possibly mine with their superb finish and spring drive.
@@kevinjamesdawes7223 I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. You think slapping on more complications like a Dagwood sandwich is exceptional horology? No. Simple and elegant solutions, like Remontoire, parallel double barrels. You don't have to worry about an oversupply of either. Take care, Bill
Its called the fetishisation of consumer products. What you have here are luxury goods, some gorgeous and brilliant examples of the craft, whose value are based on perceived scarcity. Whilst noting the absurdity of describing them as possible entry level I am left incredulous by them as a concept, their desirability made more fervent by a new apparent generations of so called horologists. Surely the mastery of longitude was the last hurrah of the mechanical timepiece and the fact that more than one wristwatch is competing for attention is indicative of a type of madness.
Hi Clive, I like to think of watch collection as a disease of layered bank accounts, and while $70,000 does indeed sound a tad banal as an 'entry level' expense, a friend of mine recently spend $250,000 for a bespoke Voutilainen; so $70k is indeed 'entry level' in the right context. Even more so, I believe are prices in the art world. The two Matisse signed prints my wife and I purchased in Paris some years ago are only unique insofar as the artist scribbled his signature in pencil. Prints can be run off by the thousands, each one costing no more than a few pennies ... even on good paper. As for the originals, the simple lines of the women's faces by Matisse could have taken no more than a few minutes to dash off can easily fetch $100,000 or more. So when I see a watch by a modern master of watchmaking with a hefty price tag, I consider that even for the best work, we're paying a pittance in terms of effort and talent. Take care, Bill