Pip Torrens voice is just soothing. Also the terminology he has to use to explain to Her Majesty that Tony is somewhat homosexual is so damn hilarious.
@@iluop3623 after all, people never separate ever from their ONE partner, relationships don’t fail. good that tony was so much better then. single, and ready to mingle.
@@iluop3623 Call Peter what you choose, split hairs as much as you like but compared to Tony, he was much preferable. Divorced? Yes. A pervert who wanted numerous men and women both for sex who would never be faithful to Margaret, no.
Peter Townsend was DIVORCED! DIVORCED!!!! The scarlet letter that he could never, ever escape! Notice that's also the reason why Prince Charles was totally prohibited from wedding Camilla Parker-Bowles when he practically screamed at the Queen and Company that he loved her and not Diana. The hussy was DIVORCED!!! So better shove Prince Charles/Princess Margaret to persons who are superficially good matches. Because the surface level is the ONLY level that matters to the royal family. :D
Tommy being so polite to say the guy is a homosexual without saying it direct at 1:12 is so funny Tommy "the *narrow* path. The *straight Christian* path....not to his taste" Queen - visibly confused Tommy "Well here's these 3 women.... These are just the natural ones"
What would you have had her do? Deny her sister yet another marriage? That would have done so much damage between the two sisters, we'd have had a Harry/William situation decades earlier. You see how well that's working out today.
Remember this is a drama, not a documentary. We’ll never know how much the queen did or didn’t know about Tony beforehand and whether or not she conveyed any concerns to Margaret
She didn't really screw up. She didn't fully grasp that she was on the cusp of a radical liberal age that would've largely forgiven this kind of thing.
I dont get the love of Townsend here... Margaret met him as a teen, and then probably started up a relationship with him at 17-18. That's suspect....and then he goes on to marry a 19-year old....😑
I think they were about 37 and 21 when the relationship began. He acknowledged a mutual attraction between them before that, but it wasn't acted on. (It's possible he was massaging the timeline to get the breakdown of his marriage and the beginning of his relationship with her in a more appropriate order, but there is no real evidence to support that.) His second wife was 20 when they married and he 44. They appear to have had a long and happy marriage.
@@thomasdalton1508Her best friend (the one who was married to the beastly man who owned Mustique) revealed Margaret was 16 when she started with Townsend.
@@thomasdalton1508 Lady Glenconner aka Anne Cooke is not a supposed friend, neither is she an unarmed source, her bona fides are thoroughly well established.
It's a messed up system when a war hero and trusted equerry like Peter Townsend was denied because of a legal (and outdated) flaw, while a man like Tony, who was morally wrong in every way, was allowed to marry Margaret.
@@jeroen3468 for a royal Family, who’s firm about traditions and being Christian, this is pretty bad, and everyone knows that he didn’t stay faithful to Margaret during their marriage.
My favorite part was the surprisingly open-minded "live and let live" attitude to alternative lifestyles. It may not be much, but it was pretty surprising to hear the enforcers of the British class system express it lol.
That's because playing both sides of the sexual field is not uncommon in the British aristocracy. They've always lived by rules of their own, not everyday society's.
Elizabeth tried so hard to be able to let Margaret marry Peter Townsend. But her life would have to give up the luxury she was born to. And the government did all it could to keep them apart. Elizabeth tried to help this by promising things to Margaret and then got told no by those old rules that the Monarchy had to follow. It made a huge rift between them because of these rules. So she married Armstrong Jones who had horrific sexual relationships before the marriage and after too. He had impregnated his best friends wife and another while married to Margaret. They divorced because of it.
tried so hard, my ass. those secretaries of hers played her like a one trick pony, and when they put their foot down, she just did as instructed. the crown must always win after all. what must it win, though? and at what cost, even to its own meaning, if instead of exuding and exerting authority rightfully, it fears it’s own destruction and everything it does goes along that tune, of fear and groveling?
@@audreykennedy90 It's not all about her condition of privilege. She would have probably been estranged from her family too, just as it happened to her uncle who married Wallis Simpson.
@@audreykennedy90 the question is: why did she have to give up anything? for a stupid reason that the guy was divorced? charles is divorced and he’s king. anne divorced once or maybe even twice, don’t remember exactly. and frankly, if the monarchy is so anglican and purist and cannot separate true authority and justice from religion, and if divorce is such a morally wrong act, then not only should all english subjects be exclusively anglican, they shouldn’t be able to divorce either. if the anglican religion is to be absolutely obeyed and not rethought. because a monarchy who imposes absolute rules on some but does not live as an example to be followed by all has no purpose and is self-contradictory. on the other hand, the monarch rules over the commonwealth too, and over a multicultural and of multiple religions country. suddenly, it’s all about tolerance and how good we are to our subjects. look, we even talk to black people as if they’re human beings on our very level, how generous and tolerant of us. who is then in the wrong, not just obsolete, but plain illogical, and perverse?
@@monicad99different times. Anne divorced once. Over 30+ years had passed since Margaret was given the choice to marry Townsend or keep her HRH status and all the perks. In the interim the church lost its’ influence and divorce became more easily available, and more importantly, acceptable. Even so, Charles didn’t marry Camilla in a Church, but in a registrars office as Camilla’s first husband, Parker-Bowles was still alive (if PB was already dead, they could have married in a church as they’d be considered widowed, not divorced🙄). The registrars office was a work-around so not to flout church law. FYI my cousin, married in the Anglican Church, divorced her Peter Pan husband, had to marry her second husband in a Methodist Church in order to have a church wedding. Because husband #1 was still alive, she was still considered `married’ in the eyes of the church.
@@WilfBond55 indeed. The way he is portrayed in the show, he served the Crown & the principles of the monarchy selflessly which allowed him to speak the truth to the monarch's (and everybody else's) face.
Notice how they treated Princess Margaret's first love--Peter Townsend. He was an upstanding military man, a straight shooter, organized, decent. But Peter Townsend was DIVORCED! DIVORCED!!!! The scarlet letter that he could never, ever escape! Notice that's also the reason why Prince Charles was totally prohibited from wedding Camilla Parker-Bowles when he practically screamed at the Queen and Company that he loved her and not Diana. The hussy was DIVORCED!!! So better shove Prince Charles/Princess Margaret to persons who are superficially good matches, leading directly to bitter, loveless marriages. Because the surface level is the ONLY level that matters to the royal family.
I agree with you about Charles and Camilla, particularly because it was the 70s and by then a whole cultural movement had shifted a lot of public perceptions. They should have been allowed to marry... it would have saved a lot of grief all around. As for Townsend, yah, the divorce issue seems bizarre to us now, but I suppose back then, so soon after the abdication, it might have looked pretty hypocritical. Also, he was way older than Margaret... he seemed to have a thing for much younger women.
@@graphiquejack It is not correct that Charles and Camilla were not allowed to marry. That issue did not have to be decided.. Charles went off on his career in the navy. Camilla was not in love with him at that stage, she was in love with Andrew Parker Bowles and chose to marry APB..
Turns out Lascelles was a peter puffer. Google 'Alan Lascelles gay'.Who would have guessed? I wonder if the producers of The Crown knew? (this wasnt definitively discovered until 2024)
Queen Elizabeth looks so uncomfortable I feel bad for her, she is really far along isn't she. And Tommy always rains on everyone's parade. I don't think he wanted Margaret to be happy at all, he got rid of Peter and now he is dissing Tony. He only liked The queen and that is it.
Anthony Armstrong-Jones, famous photographer and later Princess Margaret's husband and Earl of Snowden. He never stopped his string of affairs, treated her shabbily, cheated on her almost as openly as Charles cheated on Diana. Eventually, she divorced him.
Apparently so. DNA testing decades later proved that the daughter from the menage a trois was his, so - can't quite remember the timeline - but his lover either was pregnant or had just given birth at the time of his marriage. He was asked to choose another best man!
@markmed9091 you're okay with the deaths of millions pf people and your cheer for it? What's wrong with you? Advocating for genocide openly just for skin color?
What would you do in this situation, keep quiet or ring the bell?
I would ring the bell because I myself absolutely hate being kept in the dark!
Pip Torrens voice is just soothing.
Also the terminology he has to use to explain to Her Majesty that Tony is somewhat homosexual is so damn hilarious.
I just about lost it at “the straight, Christian path” 🤣
@@vcp365 Jeez tell me about it 🤣
i was sitting there like just call him the f slur and get it over with like ffs lol. i know you want to say it
@@cee_ves omg your comment sent me reeling 🤣
@@vcp365Your bigotry against Christians and ignorance regarding them, is now on public record in the most obscure way possible.
"Jackie Chan" and Robin Banks" LOL nearly a tea spitting over the laptop moment🤣
"Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage the incomparable, the inimitable Mrs Robin Banks"
Tommy always shows up with the tea.
And cookies.
You mean biscuits
Bri-tea-ish
Or to spill it. Delicately.
Literally at tea time with the tea😂 delivered in such eloquent use of euphemisms. 😂
2:17 "This we should add... are just the natural ones" lol
Good old homophobia
@@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190 so you think its wrong
@ i do not think being gay is wrong. that's the point. its sarcasm
This is a Real Housewives of Buckingham Palace moment. Peter’s spilling the tea as only he could to HRH. ☕️
Pip Torrens, playing Tommy Lascelles, was absolutely magnificent!
My favorite character of the whole show
Absolutely agreed
He is ah-mazing. ❤
So authoritative!!
when asked how The Queen was doing, Princess Margaret once replied: "Wich one do you mean? My mother, my sister or my husband?"
1:15 “I see ☺️☺️☺️”
Narrator: Elizabeth, in fact, had no idea what Tommy was referring to.
1:55 "What?" She delivers that perfectly.
"A Miss Jackie Chan"
lol what
The irony is they forbidden Princess Margaret to marry a clean,solid and loving men ,then let her marry the pervert who made her life miserable !
Peter Townsend was, dare I say, a married/divorced man. Therefore, not a clean, solid, and loving man.
@@iluop3623 after all, people never separate ever from their ONE partner, relationships don’t fail. good that tony was so much better then. single, and ready to mingle.
@@iluop3623 Call Peter what you choose, split hairs as much as you like but compared to Tony, he was much preferable. Divorced? Yes. A pervert who wanted numerous men and women both for sex who would never be faithful to Margaret, no.
@@monicad99 Lol!
Peter Townsend was DIVORCED! DIVORCED!!!! The scarlet letter that he could never, ever escape! Notice that's also the reason why Prince Charles was totally prohibited from wedding Camilla Parker-Bowles when he practically screamed at the Queen and Company that he loved her and not Diana. The hussy was DIVORCED!!! So better shove Prince Charles/Princess Margaret to persons who are superficially good matches. Because the surface level is the ONLY level that matters to the royal family. :D
Tommy being so polite to say the guy is a homosexual without saying it direct at 1:12 is so funny
Tommy "the *narrow* path. The *straight Christian* path....not to his taste"
Queen - visibly confused
Tommy "Well here's these 3 women.... These are just the natural ones"
She conveys such emotion intuitively through her face.
Because Andrew in utero overheard this conversation is why the way he is😂
What ? Liking them too young and getting Mummy to pay up and stop it all coming out ?
Jackie Chan... I had no idea he was tied up in this.
I was normally on Elizabeth’s side throughout the series but she screwed up huge here. She knew all this but let her sister marry him anyway.
What would you have had her do? Deny her sister yet another marriage? That would have done so much damage between the two sisters, we'd have had a Harry/William situation decades earlier. You see how well that's working out today.
Remember this is a drama, not a documentary. We’ll never know how much the queen did or didn’t know about Tony beforehand and whether or not she conveyed any concerns to Margaret
She didn't really screw up. She didn't fully grasp that she was on the cusp of a radical liberal age that would've largely forgiven this kind of thing.
@@jasonkoch3182princess Harry is so happy and free, I’m so happy for him
@@susandoran9129: "princess Harry?" Well, yes, I suppose there's some truth in that.
Has anyone stopped to realize she was pregnant with Andrew, at this time? Ironic.
Good catch!
0:37 Very kind of you, Tommy 😏
Thank you for putting name, Season and episode in the description! Good job!
"Catchin', not pitchin'?"
Any kind ya like.
I dont get the love of Townsend here... Margaret met him as a teen, and then probably started up a relationship with him at 17-18. That's suspect....and then he goes on to marry a 19-year old....😑
I think they were about 37 and 21 when the relationship began. He acknowledged a mutual attraction between them before that, but it wasn't acted on. (It's possible he was massaging the timeline to get the breakdown of his marriage and the beginning of his relationship with her in a more appropriate order, but there is no real evidence to support that.)
His second wife was 20 when they married and he 44. They appear to have had a long and happy marriage.
@@thomasdalton1508Her best friend (the one who was married to the beastly man who owned Mustique) revealed Margaret was 16 when she started with Townsend.
@@lekis5975 I always take things supposed friends of royals leak to the press with a pinch of salt.
@@thomasdalton1508 Lady Glenconner aka Anne Cooke is not a supposed friend, neither is she an unarmed source, her bona fides are thoroughly well established.
@lekis5975 Real friends don't usually talk to the press...
It's a messed up system when a war hero and trusted equerry like Peter Townsend was denied because of a legal (and outdated) flaw, while a man like Tony, who was morally wrong in every way, was allowed to marry Margaret.
What was he morally wrong in?
@@jeroen3468 Did you not watch the video or the show?
@@bricktamI didn't hear anything that was really bad, as long as he's not in a committed relationship with any of them
@@jeroen3468 for a royal Family, who’s firm about traditions and being Christian, this is pretty bad, and everyone knows that he didn’t stay faithful to Margaret during their marriage.
@@bricktam for a royal family, sure. But I don't think he was "morally wrong in every way".
The initial handshake is so underrated.
Love Miss Foy since "First Man" with Ryan Gosling ❤️
Jackie Chan and Robbin Banks !????
Oooh, very good !!
One ponders at how Mr. Armstrong Jones actually had time to do work given his "other" commitments in time.
that British euphemism
he’s… yknow… 💅
Bisexual?
My favorite part was the surprisingly open-minded "live and let live" attitude to alternative lifestyles. It may not be much, but it was pretty surprising to hear the enforcers of the British class system express it lol.
That's because playing both sides of the sexual field is not uncommon in the British aristocracy. They've always lived by rules of their own, not everyday society's.
how do you think these enforcers kept warm during the cold damp months at Eton?
Yes, but you had to follow the "rules": the further into the upper classes you lived, the more discreet you were supposed to be.
Ninguém imaginaria que a família inteira ia amar ele no final.
Not to mention his wife.... Pleeeeeease 😂 it kept getting worse when your jaw was already on tge floor 😂😂😂
Elizabeth tried so hard to be able to let Margaret marry Peter Townsend. But her life would have to give up the luxury she was born to. And the government did all it could to keep them apart. Elizabeth tried to help this by promising things to Margaret and then got told no by those old rules that the Monarchy had to follow. It made a huge rift between them because of these rules. So she married Armstrong Jones who had horrific sexual relationships before the marriage and after too. He had impregnated his best friends wife and another while married to Margaret. They divorced because of it.
tried so hard, my ass. those secretaries of hers played her like a one trick pony, and when they put their foot down, she just did as instructed. the crown must always win after all. what must it win, though? and at what cost, even to its own meaning, if instead of exuding and exerting authority rightfully, it fears it’s own destruction and everything it does goes along that tune, of fear and groveling?
Margareth wanted it all. Being mrs Townsend wasn't enough for her. Being HRH was most important.
@@audreykennedy90 It's not all about her condition of privilege. She would have probably been estranged from her family too, just as it happened to her uncle who married Wallis Simpson.
@@audreykennedy90 the question is: why did she have to give up anything? for a stupid reason that the guy was divorced? charles is divorced and he’s king. anne divorced once or maybe even twice, don’t remember exactly. and frankly, if the monarchy is so anglican and purist and cannot separate true authority and justice from religion, and if divorce is such a morally wrong act, then not only should all english subjects be exclusively anglican, they shouldn’t be able to divorce either. if the anglican religion is to be absolutely obeyed and not rethought. because a monarchy who imposes absolute rules on some but does not live as an example to be followed by all has no purpose and is self-contradictory. on the other hand, the monarch rules over the commonwealth too, and over a multicultural and of multiple religions country. suddenly, it’s all about tolerance and how good we are to our subjects. look, we even talk to black people as if they’re human beings on our very level, how generous and tolerant of us. who is then in the wrong, not just obsolete, but plain illogical, and perverse?
@@monicad99different times. Anne divorced once. Over 30+ years had passed since Margaret was given the choice to marry Townsend or keep her HRH status and all the perks. In the interim the church lost its’ influence and divorce became more easily available, and more importantly, acceptable. Even so, Charles didn’t marry Camilla in a Church, but in a registrars office as Camilla’s first husband, Parker-Bowles was still alive (if PB was already dead, they could have married in a church as they’d be considered widowed, not divorced🙄). The registrars office was a work-around so not to flout church law. FYI my cousin, married in the Anglican Church, divorced her Peter Pan husband, had to marry her second husband in a Methodist Church in order to have a church wedding. Because husband #1 was still alive, she was still considered `married’ in the eyes of the church.
Tony was son of a Countess. That’s the difference.
Miss Jackie Chan 😂
Robin Banks too.
“Jackie Chan and Robyn Banks”.
Are these Bart Simpson fake names?
Possibly
Jackie Chan.... Jackie Chan... has anyone seen Jackie Chan. Why you little.
No wonder why her labor broke
AAJ was like a round peg in a round hole in the Winsdor family 😂
did she cry or did her labor start?
Both
Pip Torrens played such a loathsome, arrogant and pompous sycophant that I will never see him any other way.
Not a sycophant. The ultimate royal straight shooter, told it as it was or at least as he saw it. Devoted to the crown and its protection.
@@WilfBond55 Exactly.
@@WilfBond55 indeed. The way he is portrayed in the show, he served the Crown & the principles of the monarchy selflessly which allowed him to speak the truth to the monarch's (and everybody else's) face.
Notice how they treated Princess Margaret's first love--Peter Townsend. He was an upstanding military man, a straight shooter, organized, decent. But Peter Townsend was DIVORCED! DIVORCED!!!! The scarlet letter that he could never, ever escape! Notice that's also the reason why Prince Charles was totally prohibited from wedding Camilla Parker-Bowles when he practically screamed at the Queen and Company that he loved her and not Diana. The hussy was DIVORCED!!! So better shove Prince Charles/Princess Margaret to persons who are superficially good matches, leading directly to bitter, loveless marriages. Because the surface level is the ONLY level that matters to the royal family.
I agree with you about Charles and Camilla, particularly because it was the 70s and by then a whole cultural movement had shifted a lot of public perceptions. They should have been allowed to marry... it would have saved a lot of grief all around. As for Townsend, yah, the divorce issue seems bizarre to us now, but I suppose back then, so soon after the abdication, it might have looked pretty hypocritical. Also, he was way older than Margaret... he seemed to have a thing for much younger women.
@@graphiquejack It is not correct that Charles and Camilla were not allowed to marry. That issue did not have to be decided.. Charles went off on his career in the navy. Camilla was not in love with him at that stage, she was in love with Andrew Parker Bowles and chose to marry APB..
1:56 Well, now we know how Jackie Chan got this start in movies.
Turns out Lascelles was a peter puffer. Google 'Alan Lascelles gay'.Who would have guessed?
I wonder if the producers of The Crown knew? (this wasnt definitively discovered until 2024)
so Pete Townsend was not too bad after all!
Why do the invest and then not act on it
Queen Elizabeth looks so uncomfortable I feel bad for her, she is really far along isn't she. And Tommy always rains on everyone's parade. I don't think he wanted Margaret to be happy at all, he got rid of Peter and now he is dissing Tony. He only liked The queen and that is it.
He was asked to provide information, and he did so. You're providing a lot of "thinking" but nothing to back your thoughts.
Given Margaret’s taste in men it’s a good chance that Peter Townsend had some dark secrets. Likely a predilection for teenagers.
Any evidence, or you're just slandering him based on . . . ?
He was in love with PM who was a teenager. Then after that was over he married another teenager? So . . .?
Which Tony? I'm not familiar
Anthony Armstrong-Jones, famous photographer and later Princess Margaret's husband and Earl of Snowden. He never stopped his string of affairs, treated her shabbily, cheated on her almost as openly as Charles cheated on Diana. Eventually, she divorced him.
@WilfBond55 thank you
is it true?
Yes - Tony was a right old shag bandit! 😊
Apparently so. DNA testing decades later proved that the daughter from the menage a trois was his, so - can't quite remember the timeline - but his lover either was pregnant or had just given birth at the time of his marriage. He was asked to choose another best man!
Censorious ?
Is this about tony Blair?
No. Anthony Armstrong-Jones and Princess Margaret
Now, think: Tony Blair was PM when Diana died. Here, the young queen is pregnant. Not the same time frame. You see?
Polyamory is a wonder, everywhere except the royal family.
this wasn’t polyamory, because margaret hadn’t a clue, and was wanting monogamy with tony, not f-ing every piece of ass one could find.
Yes, it makes me wonder how the polyamorous keep all their details in order.
God riddance now that she's inside ⚰️
“ God riddance” ? You’re happy a person died ? What’s wrong with you ?
@markmed9091 you're okay with the deaths of millions pf people and your cheer for it? What's wrong with you? Advocating for genocide openly just for skin color?
Bloody hell, the guy had relationship with Jackie Chan!?!? What did they do, martial arts on beds???!? 😂😂😂