Hasbro Just Ended Dungeons & Dragons Forever
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Fun Fact: WotC announced the end of D&D and Magic in portuguese on the eve of BRAZILIAN NATIONAL RPG DAY
In Brazil since 2018 on February 24th is celebrated THE NATIONAL RPG DAY.
The date was chosen to coincide with the birthday of Douglas Quinta Reis, founders of DEVIR Publishing and fundamental figure in the introduction and popularization of Role Playing Games in Brazil.
Douglas Quinta Reis and DEVIR Publishing organized the biggest RPG event in Brazil for more than 20 years. It started in 1993 and lasted until 2015. Encontro Internacional de RPG (International RPG Meeting).
Douglas died in 2017.
To abandon us (D&D and Magic communities) by making a few paragraphs with absurd justifications on the eve of "A sacred holiday" of the Brazilian tabletop community. it was not a very smart decision.
The D&D books were published by 'Galápagos Jogos', which is the largest board game publisher in Brazil. We really can't understand why WotC canceled its licensing rights to 'Galápagos Jogos' in 2022. WotC only said the production would turn to be made in house in U.S.A.. And when WotC republished the 3 main books, it cost almost double the price of the previous books by Galápagos. So why would us brazilians buy what we already have?
And they are mainly only available through Amazon because in the last 3 years WotC closed its Brazilian office in the city of São Paulo and also closed most of its offices in South America.
At first Closing the offices mostly hurt the Magic: The Gathering scene. Most of WotC's official tournaments and event presence have disappeared. Now all magic tournaments and events are run by local shops.
So there is no one here from WotC to work on distribution. If local stores want to get WotC books, they will have to import them themselves. What is not ease or cheap.
Same problems with Magic cards.
If WotC could not achieve the unreal selling numbers was only their falt.
Not to mention.. RPG was added as an optional for learning, in schools..
If it was just printing and taxes costs, it could be seen as competition with Galapagos, or, "wanting the money they got from selling those books here, yet at no cost from them", aka, "the same BS as on the OGL scandal".. alas, it is worse, far worse.. they canceled everything, including digital, alienating a large and promissing market with one single bad decision...
Yet another step down to oblivion.. all for blind immediate greed.
@@zebaklongfang9344 Magic the gathering have tax immunity in Brazil
Brazilian Supreme Court has decided that magic cards are didactic material comparable to books, since they help with the development of text interpretation and mathematic knowledge for kids.
And so MTG and other TCG have tax immunity as books, as provided for in the Brazilian Constitution. Of course the same goes for RPG books too.
But Hasbro doesn't care!
To have tax immunity WotC must properly fill out the documentation and description of products sold and exported from the U.S.A. to Brazil.
If not the product the products will be stranded at customs or, as commonly happens, they will be misidentified and taxed as toys.
Need i to say that Hasbro/WotC most of the time will not properly fill out the documentation?
Cara, no fim tudo gira em torno de dinheiro e ações. A Hasbro acabou com o time Latan do magic, era uma questão de tempo p fazer o mesmo com D&D. Preferem investir nos mercados gringos
@@DistantKingdoms so they literally made the worst decisions at every step and then they cry when it didn’t make them any money lol
Surprise surprise: Hasbro doesn't care about Black or Brown, they only care about Green!
Woke never cared about black, brown, women or trans. They are all just useful idiot stepping stones on their way to power.
I think that's actually a good thing. If you believe race is something that should be taken into account, that's racist. Now being greedy is also bad just not as bad as racism
Trust me they dont care about the Orcs either
@@brownboy534 Yep. Pretty tired of my race being a virtue signal for a bunch of corporations and hearing there's something wrong with me from non-minority activists if I don't think they're saving my life by celebrating the pandering. If they don't sell enough in a certain area, they're not going to sell them there. Also, just because you like a product doesn't mean you have any right to it or any control over it. The condescension and entitlement is nuts on this one.
I knew they only.liked orc and goblin races ... Err I mean lineage
Silver lining: less people playing D&D is good. They can play other better systems owned by better companies.
The huge amount of OSR and OGL material in English hopefully means there’s similar thriving content in other languages.
Anyone actually playing D&D is not giving Ha$bro a dime anyway. The crap they publish does not resemble D&D in the slightest.
@russellharrell2747 you don't have to rely on OSR and OGL compatible content to find a good TTRPG. D&D-likes are not the end all/be all in the market, so I'd also recommend looking towards other systems.
Tormenta + 3d&t seems great.
Or not owned by companies whatsoever
WotC trying to outdo Blizzard on the 'most F.Ups in the shortest timeframe' scoreboard?
I think they are competing with Broadcom and Boeing for company that wants to repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot with a nuke.
To be fair... hard to say who's in the lead right now.
@@Paehrin blizzard, judging by the ratings of overwatch 2 alone
Nah EA is holding onto that title
wait, that's Ubisoft's theme music!
Hasbro pulled the same crap with the WotC Stores. They shut down 100+ retail stores because even though they were having 10% growth, but it wasn't ENOUGH growth. 😢
That’s the nature of business. They have 50 million bucks, they can pull it out of retail and put it into design and get 12% growth. If you had 50 million bucks and didn’t care about the cultural impact, you want as much growth as possible. I just heard our host mentioned that WOTc care about growth of the hobby - it’s a lie and stop thinking that anything that they say is truthful.
It’s not about business.
It’s about social engineering and social agendas related to narcissistic sociopathic social engineering networks facilitating those purposes and agendas.
They are attempting to “extinguish” RPG’s and eventually table top games in favor of electronic devices and computer systems.
Micro transactions and not owning anything is just the beginning...
Totally willing to force down load candy crush on your system using your bandwidth and your time since you might be trying to do something else at that time...
They are pirates consuming the intellectual property which they don’t care about... other than destroying the property’s.
They are deliberately attempting to extinguish D&D.
something something the free market.
In 1987 Hasbro cancelled the toy line Inhumanoids because it only made 60 million dollars in profit. Ironically the companion cartoon show was delayed and came out 6 months after the cancellation which lead to a show with merch that had been sold the previous year and no follow up. This isn’t a new thing with Hasbro.
@@Xplora213 That's the nature of corporations. Usually regular businesses are happy to be making a decent profit, as it's just pretty much printing money. When they get worried about the stock price, then they feel the need to screw up a good thing to raise profit margins and cut costs, because it's not about being a successful business, it's about being successful on Wall Street. Modern corporate thinking is just about short term stock price and basically nothing else, and it's the reason so many otherwise good products and services go to hell. Once they hit market capacity, the next step becomes "how low can we make the quality and still make a profit?"
I thought this was going to be about the ceo's AI comments!
My response is still the same:
"Oh no! My money printing machine isn't printing money fast enough!"
I guess we're a day behind on hasbro scandal news. Feel old yet?
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"Killing the bard, then the monk, then the cleric, then the fighter"
Thieves are still mad about the PC title change and having to earn the same amount of XP as all those useless part members to advance in level.
P.S. if you don't understand this you are a n00b.
"As if killing the bard impresses us."
*while dancing in One Shot Quester mode*
Fun Fact: D&D wasn't translated in japanese for a fucking long time. Therefore they made their own system after the success of the Record of Loddos War "Replay books" (were they played basic D&D ... which was only available in english) they made SWORD WORLD which is until this day the most successful fantasy RPG over there. It uses D6s since these dice were more easily available.
also... it's kinda good that D&D will not get translated anymore... that will loose them players and that might help some other RPG Makers to get out new games in their language.
Yep, and I just saw a few posts that Pathfinder apparently does exist in Portuguese. Let's shout this from the highest buildings -- tchau D&D! Tudo Bem!
There was a BTS clip on one of the Japanese Record of Lodoss War Laserdiscs where someone from the production is on stage showing off his copy of the Stormbringer RPG.
@@Kagatoamv Yeah as one person pointed out to me when I watched it... Lodoss uses a lot of same tropes as DnD.... but... not the way DnD uses them.
Sword World seems significantly less popular in Japan than Call of Cthulu. Like, clearly Sword World is a game there, but Cthulu content is massively more common.
@@guthetanuki4173 I thought the claim was that it was more popular than DnD?
Wizards/Hasbro has been a problem ever since I opened my RPG store back in 2009 in Berlin. And since then it has only gotten worse. I would not mind them going under completely.
Back in the day they claimed there will NEVER be a German translation of D&D5 - until a company offered to do it by themselves and paying Wizards fees....
When they saw they actually make cash on that translation - they recalled the license and subsequently frakked up German D&D completely ever since.
They also cut the money stores make off the books btw...
Didn't WotC, after Ulisses showed how it's done, took over and pushed them out?
tbh the ulisses translations were a joke at best and truly horrible at worst
That's more or less what happened here. D&D only arrived in Portuguese after Galápagos Games acquired a license with GF9. That was in 2019. In 2022 they revoked the license and said they would take over the translation from then on. But they fired all the employees involved, including with the translation of Magic. In the end, they won't be able to say that we are pirating their products, after all they don't exist...
Hasbro/WotC say they want to make money, but they really don't. (Watch actions rather than words.)
@@skexis1212 What? Do you mean that Algernon Schwarzholz wasn't a famous halfling bard?
I am no longer surprised with what Grand Wizards of the Coast do anymore.
I agree, I still use the stuff I bought before all this started though....
ether that is a super clever joke or a slip of epic proportions
You guys really are determined to make the concept of racism meaningless aren't you? You're really going to try to be cute comparing the shit the Klan has done to a company cancelling a product line that wasn't selling well enough? smh
That nickname is a bit much for what they've done, but also hilarious.
😂😂😂 wotc is now the kkk leadership 😂😂😂
they also cancelled polish translation but no one speaks about it
I see wut u did thar
Well most people see polish and say "white people, who cares." Ironically this video references Portuguese but did not mention Portugal once.
@@brownboy534 It is normal to think more often about (and care more about) regions nearby than regions elsewhere. I'm from Europe and first had to think for a few seconds where else Portuguese is spoken than in Portugal before I thought of Brazil. Therefore, it is no surprise that Americans (with their America-centric education system) do this mistake the other way round even more.
@@nriamond8010 I disagree, when I hear Portuguese, I think of Brazil, Portugal, and the Congo. I am American, our American educational system is not America centric. It's just that people are too busy not giving a duck in school.
@@brownboy534 I would argue that, alas, our hit or miss education system usually IS more miss than hit. Which is to say that there are great teachers, and some great schools too, but unfortunately, more and more people fail to have access to that shrinking resource.
As a Brazilian and a physical book buyer I just interpret it as "they don't want my money". I have no problems whatsoever about reading the books in English, but I have players that are not so proficient with the language and it is more comfortable and convenient to read it I'm my mother tongue.
I'm totally thinking about dropping D&D 5e entirely and moving either to Pathfinder or any other third party ttrpg. Even though I love 3.5e, again, "they don't want my money".
Price was always a problem. Hasbro doesn't even care about their own product, they care about money.
Salaries here in Brazil vary from $1.200 to $3.000 (obviously those are rough numbers), with people struggling with less than it in poorer States (those will never be ttrpg consumers, probably). Currently the player's handbook costs here $260. Adding up all expenses, 1 hobby book at this price is inaccessible for mort of population. Then piracy is the only answer for most of the people.
I'm suprised that OSR hasn't taken off? Most OSR games are essentially free (as PDFs). Haven't some of the OSR games been translated to Portuguese?
In the U.S. you can for example download the 7th printing of Castles & Crusades for free -- just print out some of the more needed pages -- and a dice -- and you're golden. Actually, almost every OSR game has a free version or at least a free no art version available as PDFs.
@@quantus5875it mostly comes down to finding people to play with and having it in Portuguese. The majority of people that I know of here does not know where to look this up in the internet and assume that it is just piracy, and I have not seen OSR content in pt-br so far as well.
4:55 "Rising costs across the board" is true when you finish the rest of the sentence - the rising costs of the board members' salaries and the numbers on the investors' stock reports.
Plus, the current ceo fecked up some huge company deals, so he has to cut everyone else to save his job. Even though he could retire tomorrow and his whole family would never have to worry about $ for the rest of their lives
Eu não entendi nada do que essa moça falou, mas a luminária de lava de fundo é irada.
Coloca legenda.
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Send in the Pinkertons...
As a brazilian, thank you for talking about this ❣
Did you ever buy D&D books in Portuguese?
@@reactionaryprinciplegaming yeah, in fact I gifted one last christmas to my brother, I have multiple friends that don't speak english and play D&D, as well as magic
@@GuiMeloBass Interesting. When I was in Brazil, everyone I knew had D&D books had them in English (but it was probably a self-slected group of people).
I do have some of my books in english and others in portuguese, I usually buy the cheapest one I can find, because a D&D book costs more than 10% of the minimum wage here
D&D books in Brazil were released in 2019. If there had been a simultaneous release, you would only see them in Portuguese.
@@reactionaryprinciplegaming
You've just convinced me to have my next publication translated into Portuguese.
Brazilian here! (And paid freelance translator) hope you do! Great and diverse audience here, if I may, I’d ask what’s it about. Good luck ❤
@@bestbry1same ❤
@@bestbry1 The early bird gets the worm, eh? (Deus ajuda quem cedo madruga) 😆
Yep, right on!-- and if someone can translate one of the OSR games to Portuguese. Tudo Bem!
Please do! LOTS of RPG players down here!
Also, pretty sure they outsourced the translation, printing, and distribution to a third party based in Brazil. So . . . . they were not even the ones incurring those increased costs.
They used to, but they ended their contract with Galápagos Jogos. After which, WotC started selling the books themselves, but the bulk of PHB buyers already had their PHB, & Wizards wasn't selling other translated books.
Reminiscing about the Dust Bowl is my part of my job as a historian studying and documenting the Great Depression. I was honestly surprised you used that event as an analogy. So few people know about it and I hope some if your viewers look it up. Great video on an unfortunate subject. I really hope they pull their heads out and un-F themselves.
We can hope, but I'm afraid it's unlikely.
If you want people that know American history you just have to go outside of Americans….
What you talking about man? They shove us through like 5 years of American History in grade school, to the extent that talking about the history of compost is a relief.
@@jonathansandusky7446 I won't dispute the amount of American History you get in grade school, but the dust bowl was one of those blink-and-you-miss-it things in my textbooks. Part of why it's boring AF is because of the choices in what to focus on; it's not completely reliable, but the less time gets spent on it, the more likely it's actually interesting. (Like, you're lucky if there's even a mention of the Pig War, which was a total black comedy because basically the boots on the ground on both sides went "This is stupid" and told the politicians to stuff it when they whined about their militaries refusing to fight. Unless you count the pig, nobody died.)
I got into this hobby by the Danish translation of the red boxed set back in the mid 80'ies. Without it, I might never have started playing d&d and late many other RPGs.
Didn't they have anything else in Denmark? In Germany they had Das Schwarge Auge and Midgard in the 80s.
As Paizo leans in the room waving shyly at Portugal
Jambô Editora (BR publisher) translate Pathfinder to Portuguese. But Paizo could strengthen ties and really dominate the market abandoned by Hasbro.
@@rmaiabr Yeah, hope that happens. That would be awesome!
In Chess White plays First and Agressively, Black plays second, drawing from White's misplays.
What's interesting is that the streamer Pirate Software showed that by adjusting the pricing his game in certain markets, he ended piracy of his game in those markets to essentially zero.
I wonder if was a similar issue for WotC, seeing that their sales weren't the best because the price of the product wasn't localized but rather standardized...
Post Script:
From a very quick search, a Brazilian MTG website is selling sealed product for the same MSRP as English product.
So yeah, you're going to see less sales if you're selling stuff at the same cost in different markets that... hmmm idk... Aren't the US with how much buying power we have.
Yep this is the exact problem and should be highlighted/tagged up top.
Word up
Specially because 1 USD is like 5 BRL, I wanted to buy a 18 USD book about drawing on Amazon and would turn into 138 BRL , so I gave up.
This is exactly what it is. Hasbro don't seem to grasp the concept of world markets and instead just chase the almighty dollar.
Was about to comment the same thing.
The Goblin Lord really knows his shit.
LOL at 8 min in I got a spontaneous add for D&D with a guy opening up by saying “did you know you can play dnd anywhere in the world”. Well apparently not ANYwhere
What frustrates me the most is that they took the rights of the previous publisher in Brazil, made some overpriced books and quit. Now I see all my favorite books going out of stock and soon enough the second-hand books will be the same price or more expensive than they were before (if you can find them). As someone who DMs for beginners in the local game store, the language barrier might just kill the hobby for so many people. What's the point in DMing DnD if the player won't be able to pursue the hobby unless they resort to piracy? I might just change to Pathfinder, at least they publish more frequently in Brazil and don't ignore our market.
Yes, switch to Pathfinder! that's what I'd do. Actually PF is one of the games I play. 😂
Funnily enough, this was the same move they did against Gale Force 9 for making the (english) spell cards sets. They were selling too well, so WOTC first tried to cancel the license 2 years early, lost in court, and now that the GF9 license expired, WOTC has not made any moves to make the same product for the market at all.
Because the point is not to make money, it's to make ALL the money, and make sure nobody alse makes ANY.
I just want to point out that the Hadozee were not problematic before 3rd Edition, and that the problematic material about them was invented entirely by WotC.
I'd argue that they weren't even problematic in 3e. The only people who see anything "problematic" in the hadozee are people who are actively looking to be offended by everything.
Hadozee were never problematic. Period.
The new art was inspired by Angus Young from ACDC. The artist who made that was apparently harassed off the web too... good going, fandom.
This was part of the argument I made in my comment about how silly this is.
@@frocat5163People finding offense in these races are projecting their own stereotyping onto the creators.
As a brazilian, I was hoping so much that you would cover this topic. Thanks once again for this amazing video!
One of my last phone conversations with Dave Arneson in 2008 was about keeping our product line out of the hands of the big toy-maker corporations. He believed they would ruin it, because at bottom, they did not care about it. It was a piece of their pie which we ate for too long. That after all was done, we would go back to playing Battleship, Scrabble, and Candyland. We could all forget about rpgs. 😅
As a "mixed race" family with Brazilian roots I would take exception to both Hasbro propositions... Brazil is quite the big market to shrug off...
It's a big market of people with not a lot of spending power though, it's getting better but most brazilians still don't make that much money.
Also, privateering wotc content has been a long lasting custom around here due to wotc sometimes taking 7+ years to translate game modules for d&d and mtg. When they finally get here, prices are not localized, so we pay much more for the same product be it in English or portuguese. They haven't managed the market, just suckled on it until it stopped giving and are now flaunting away.
Me too. "We care so much about diverse people that we pretend they don't exist."
@@bluester7177Interesting how game companies like SEGA don't seem to have an issue with the "low spending power" of the Brazilian market and absolutely thrive there. Maybe the problem is that WOtC aren't willing to spend money on growing the brand in the region and not the people who live there.
Mind you, MtG and D&D absolutely were profitable in the market. WOtC is actively sabotaging any chances of taking advantage of how underserved and devalued Brazil often is as a market. I have a sneaking suspicion that Lorcana is going to explode there in MtG's place. The same thing happened with Cardfight Vanguard in Southeast Asia back in the day too 🤷♂️
@@bluester7177 Still though... it's also about market saturation. If the market only supports making 200 units of a product? ok make 200 units... don't just.. decide it's not good enough to be worth the effort. 'cause now those are going to get a different product.
I work with someone in Brazil who has produced a rpg based on Brazilian myth and folklore. It is available in both Portuguese and English - The Elephant and Macaw Banner (A Bandeira do Elefante e da Arara in Portuguese). English version from Porcupine Games, it won an Ennie award. Discourse, I know you like some indy games, you should check it out. It's also great as a sourcebook on the monsters and society. The author has used it with schools as a way to explore their local heritage and has been well received. There is a big roleplaying market in Brazil, and if Hasbro/Wizards don't fill it, others will step up (although having the big name involved helps introduce more people).
I do love your videos, but I must say that nearly every one recently has me saying "Oh ffs, what's happened now!??!"
New Hasbro slogan!😁
"Hasbro, no!"
That's how it goes during the decline of a society or in this case decline of the planet.
Don't you mean "Has-no!"@@tuomasronnberg5244
Same! I mentioned to my gf that there was a new Dungeons & Discourse video out and she went "Oh God, NOW what have they done?" 'They' being Hasbro/WotC, obviously.
Your titles and thumbnails are clickbaity as hell (as you know) but that belies the outstanding content underneath. This is great info, and a well made video, thanks so much!
Thanks abyssal!! I think this is a really important topic that a lot of people won't think is that important and might just pass by, so I wanted to make sure folk would click :)
If you had added "in portuguese" to the end of the title, it would cease to be click-baity and lose little-to-no appeal. I almost didn't click as is because I knew it was more nuanced than that. Glad I did watch, but I would appreciate the addition.
I have to agree. I always have to remind myself that your titles are _the name of the discourse you're referencing,_ not what you're actually going to say about the topic
There are a lot of UA-camrs who just take any opportunity to bash D&D because it's popular. You are definitely not one of them -- hitting WotC for their failures is aiming true, so call it as you see it -- so it might be a good idea to consider video titles that don't make it sound like you're one of the rage-baiters. Which, I emphasize, you aren't. A lot of folks will avoid these kinds of titles, even clicking the "Don't recommend this channel" option, based solely on the titles. Bear it in mind, because I'd like to see your channel rise.
@@dungeonsanddiscourse Yes, great video! I loved youe comments about if you didn't speak English -- then why are you watching this video. Super entertaining! Thanks for fighting the fight to try and keep WotC honest!😂
Dungeon Craft made a video about why RPG video titles have to be clickbaity.
Thanks, Google algorithm!
Chaosium released CoC 7 in swedish. :) 9 million speakers and it still sold well.
10 million actually. Not counting the coastal areas of Finland and the state of Minnesota. :)
But it was not released by Chaosium, rather by a local Swedish game publisher with a love for Call of Cthulhu. Just like TSR never published D&D in Swedish, we did. So no risk is actually taken by the owner of the IP.
Dude, search for how much the average Brazilian makes for a living =(
Looking up how to add a Portuguese (and Japanese, while I'm at it) Kick Starter for "THE PROJECT" I've been working on.
You want to make by yourself?
You are so awesome I subscribed.
No wasted breath or air time. Rapid fire information that is clear and concise. You cadence and humour are fantastic. Keep up the good work.
thanks! :D
The captions keep censoring Cox and I find that hilarious.
Yea, UA-cam censorship bot is just being careful and trying not to let this person offend himself if he ever regrets getting his cut off.
Maybe if he changed his name to Dikenbals…
I agree. It is hypocritical and racist of Hasbro / Wizards of the Coast abandoning Brazil and Portuguese speakers by ditching support for Portuguese despite it making net income. While they could reinvest the money in an even more profitable opportunity it betrays their stated values and is bad for the market as a whole.
Dude you're going more than a bit far there calling it racist.
Tell me you don't know how the market works without telling me you don't know how the market works. They don't care about DIE. They care about that sweet ESG investment money. Unfortunately that tap has been turned off as those companies and funds are hunkering down for a global conflict. So now you see major companies trying to insulate themselves as best you can. Also, the only racism here is you thinking this is racist. It's about profit margin not melanin content.
@@BakaPopeHow good are the sales figures in France?
@@user-go4vz2ir6r Now this is an intelligent question that proves that Hasbro is the Disney of role-playing games…
@@BakaPope Yes, I'd just say it's hypocritical.
The problem here in Brasil is that they take too long to translate books. Some books took 3 to four yearts to translate. So most players do learn english or go for fan translations of the mechanics (class feats) kind of stuff.
Look into ai translators. You can even drop pdfs into them now and they'll just auto translate them. Honestly don't think the translation thing is that big of a deal unless you're wanting hardcovers.
Nah, man. Most ppl in Brazil don’t speak English, when they do, they kinda suck. They can’t even afford to learn it properly, it’s way overpriced. Yes, you’ll see many Brazilians playing D&D in English, but it’s obviously because it’s a game that 1 middle class plays the most 2 a minority that’s poor and actually made an effort to learn English sometimes even paying. That’s why so few people play it and now we’re gonna have even less. Thanks to the translations, I teached my mom D&D, how would I do that in English?
Also, everything is so damn expensive. One of the factors why I didn't got into tabletop D&D when I was a teenager was the handbooks (3rd ED at the time) were too costly, and I contented myself with pirated PDFs; nowadays, the situation is even worse there - but thank God for MTGA...
@@neetfreek9921yes, we want the hardcovered books.
@@neetfreek9921 You get some pretty suspect translations that way though, and a rule book needs to be pretty precise
WotC: We want to sell people a product...
Also WotC: We're ending the sale of certain localized products...
🤔🤔🤔
No this is the fundamental misunderstanding. WotC we want to sell a product at a profit margin that increases are overall profit to generate a bump in Hasbro stock price because that's where the market capitalization comes from.
@@billabonggolkpr whoosh
@@billabonggolkprSame as video games?
Imagine the kind of ghoulishness that looks at a part of your company's market, sees that it's only not making _as much_ profit as everywhere else, and deciding the only solution is to destroy that market. Like a person looking at their hands, seeing the pinkie fingers do the least work, and cutting them off to save the calories.
The ruthless pursuit of not merely profit, but _ever increasing profit_ at any cost, is a blight on our world. A force that emmiserates us all, and will eventually kill us.
This could be a window for a Portuguese company to make an attempt to work out a deal for publication of these products. Otherwise, a 5 finger discount publication could be produced locally. But I'm going to bet that Pathfinder will be selling product in that language and be willing to take on those customers needs with less drama.
My gf said a while back "Why does WotC Hasbro keep on being the best thing that ever happened to Paizo?"
We have Pathfinder 2ed in Portuguese by Jambô publisher.
@@rmaiabr Great -- we have to advertise that! Let people know -- get everyone in Brazil and Portugal and other Portuguese speaking countries to jump on the train and screw WotC.
Impressive clickbait title, you are probably the best one at this skill I've seen yet. Btw, Pro Tip: anyone can play a half-species character of any mix by using the Custom Origin from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything.
And yeah I am Brazilian and I think turning their back to my country that has been playing D&D since at least the 80s is effing bullshit.
Dang that Tarantino joke was 🔥🔥🔥. Well done, very well done.
@Discourse You had me at elf gangbanq hentai ... Finally my OF career can take off ... Thanks for the support
The heck I just read...
6:23 @@opscontaylor8195
I haven't thought about the wonderful movie Mouse Trap in ages, but then 00:16 happened and somehow it all came roaring back to my memory with total clarity. Thanks for the blast of nostalgia.
You should have titled this video as “Hasbro made a business decision.”
well that could be every video about Hasbro right?
Folks it's time to move to Paizo -- a few people in this post say that that Pathfinder is available in Portuguese.
@@dungeonsanddiscourse Great Video! So entertaining! Yeah, current WotC management are a bunch of idiots.
So, on the one hand, while I understand that in general, as long as you're covering your variable costs and eating into your fixed costs, you're better off than you were if you produced nothing at all, so it still behooves a company to produce a product even if it's making no profit AT ALL sometimes, let alone if it's making a certain level of profit, I also understand opportunity cost, where if a company has limited money to invest, it makes sense to invest it in the products and services that net them the best return. So if Peppa Pig dolls make Hasbro 20% ROI and DnD makes them 15%, they're better off making dolls.
The concept that they should just make anything that turns profit ignores that money is a finite resource and that they only have so much to invest.
To insist that they use some of these resources in one area presupposes that they cut resources from another and now you have the exact same "scandal" only now we don't see it because it's the Peppa Pig fandom that's up in arms, not the DnD fandom.
Also, to say that Hasbro is racist or problematic for cutting their Portuguese DnD line ignores any more profitable lines they may be making or would make in Portuguese with their, again, limited resources.
Your "Rank and Yank" allegory is also a little off because it's not like cutting the bard and then going into the dungeon a member short. That would be pointless. It's like cutting the bard and picking up an additional cleric because again, you have finite resources and you want to invest them in the best performing team you can. So eventually you end up with an entire team of clerics, because clerics are OP (so says the internet anyway).
I DO think there's a lot of merit to your argument for accounting for and predicting for growth of your lines before you axe them, but again you have to look at growth potential of ALL your lines, and then you're back to fattening up Peppa for market if her growth potential exceeds DnD.
Why does this video not have subtitles or voice dubbing in Portuguese?
Now this is an intellectual coup of a troll
Porque o público alvo do canal não são jogadores de RPG falantes de português, eu suponho. E está levando o tópico que aqui no Brasil estamos enfrentando há algumas semanas. Este vídeo só faz sentido se estiver em inglês mesmo (ou outra língua senão o português).
Se você teve dificuldade de entender esse comentário, agora pode ser empático com os jogadores de Magic e D&D falantes de português.
@@RaoniGodinho Do you realize this was a troll?
@@RaoniGodinho Asi que si lees ingles, intresante
@@israelmorales4249 Diferente da maioria das pessoas aqui.
11:32 - where is that picture from? It's familiar, but I can't recall where I've seen it before.
Thanks for this. I love Dungeons & Discourse videos! Let's all find a ttrpg from Brazil next time instead of Wizards.
11:20 Though Hasbro *is* the ghoul taking all the meat from the rest of the subterranean cave ecosystem. And it’s way past grown.
Paizo books in Portuguese coming soon. (If they are smart about it :) )
We have since 1st edition. ;-) We need all the catalogue now.
@@rmaiabr That's great to hear! You don't need the whole catalogue -- just a sizable catalogue. Go Pathfinder!
Wait. So you are saying the Brazilian market now has a hole in it?
Noted.
I love Dungeons & Discourse videos!
I love my weekly mad Irish yelling at me videos. Never knew it was something I need in my life
Ah, it's a good time to play pathfinder. I've gone to level 20, I've got my 20 books, so now I get to use all my three actions to not have to deal with Hasbro's.
Canadians, with their "Eh's" and "Don't you know"'s, wearing their blujean jackets and pants (Canadian Tuxedo). The exotic land of North America!
1) "Doncha know" is Minnesotan/Dakotan. Minnesota is honourary Canada, but still.
2) The Canadian Tuxedo was invented by an American.
@@mbg4681 Oh take off eh you hoser!
Go get your bunnyhug and a Toonie get some Poutine with yer name on it eh!
Oh come on now you know the Canadian Tuxedo is at home as Hockey and Beer.
@@vickyguarnieri9385 Fair, although the Canadian Tuxedo and the _chemise carotée_ seem to swap popularities every decade or two.
We are all enriched by more people in the hobby!
Apparently not.
Not enriched enough!
More seriously, if D&D never had an attempt at Japan (to lose out to Call of Cthulhu, ultimately, as far as TTRPGs originating from the English market go in Japan iirc) we'd be in a world without Dragon Quest, and that would have had seismic impact on video games.
Speaking to your comment about the international nature of the TTRPG community - The first GM I played in voice with online was Brazilian.
I don't even know if its much of a loss. The books already took years to come out and when they did the prices were always absurd (specially compared to our purchasing power). As a Brazilian DM with players that can't read in english (which is like>90% of our population), I always relied on... external means to get the rules.
Eu sei inglês mas não compro mais material que não em português. Quando eu chego em casa e vou ler algo de RPG, se não tiver em português eu dropo.
Wait til everyone gets a load of 6E gouging. Hasbro is already upping the prices of new 5E books.
1I love all of Dungeons and Discourses videos!
Funny thing is that first they revoke third party rights to translate (in Italy there was Asmodee that made egregious translations) then they replace them doing horrible translation themselves. Then stop translate at all. No words.
That's Very Strange... Wild Card : Ark Survival Ascended also Canceled Portages translations and the Spanish and Portages Paid Mod Team this winter..
corp being corp, thankfully we have more options to play rpg besides D&D, Tormenta, Old Dragon, as well as translations of other games.
After years of dealing with our Brazilian market, they finally abandoned what they never cared about.
Not familiar with that market -- but from a few other posts it sounds like Pathfinder is available in Portuguese as well. If I were you all, I'd just move on and play Pathfinder or one of the games you mentioned.
@@quantus5875 There is no shortage of options, we have a national d20 version, which I actually believe gives more access to TTRPGs, we have a cool production. The losers are a portion of content producers and another portion of collectors.
Old school animes like Record of Lodoss Wars and The Slayers definitely had been influenced by D&D, so you can't deny the benefits of spreading out internationally. Dropping their plans to translate in Portuguese is also like leaving money on the table.
Also what was the title of the hentai manga you used for that comic panel? Asking for a friend ;-P
Ingoku by Sagano Yuuji
wait..isn't brazil like a MASSIVE and rapidly expanding market for gaming?
Hey! I'm one of those Canadians you played with lol, glad to know I'm.... exotic?
Some well needed laughs in the midst of another great video. Way to keep WotC's honest.
1) Rank 'n Yank was good, but I had no idea the visual gag of Buckcake existed, so thank you for that!
2) This...I kinda 'get' it, but it's also really fucking dumb. Outside of Japan, the Portuguese speaking market is where I see a _lot_ of stuff coming from in terms of not only D&D but other RPGs too. You were spot on in regards to how many indie designers get their start with D&D, and a not insignificant number of OSR, artpunk-y, and general indie RPGs have very South American names attached to them. Did printing costs really jump so much that they decided to cut off those markets? Not even going to do PDFs for them? Fucking hell.
The price of paper has skyrocketed since 2020. from about 110 to 140. compare that to 100 in 2007.
Costs in general have skyrocketed, yes. And decent translations are not cheap, either, least of all with something as technical as D&D.
yup to hell with them.
I just come for the octopus cosplay
*D&badD* _wants to know your location_
Same thing happened to City of Heroes back in 2012. Literally over night, the company fired the entire department assigned to the game. The crew got no warning. They were never warned that the game was on the chopping block. They weren’t even given the dignity of being told in a meeting. They were told in an email that they didn’t have jobs any more. The players were told a few hours later.
The game was still profitable, just not profitable enough. The bulk of their players were in Japan, South Korea, and other east Asian nations. City Of Heroes didn’t have the same level of following as those games, and was primarily played in the US.
Again, it was still profitable, still making money, just not enough.
The same as how Spider-Man 3 and Batman v Superman were profitable… just not enough.
It's called "virtue signalling."
Is that American for "Being Hypocritical"?
@@llewelynshingler2173 Pretty much.
I love all Dungeons & Discourse videos.
This just proves, the biggest threat to HASBRO/WOTC/D&D will always be HASBRO/WOTC/D&D
In a nutshell - D&D cancelled Portuguese translations stating the demand does not warrant the cost, and some people are upset.
The move to cut off a part of your business that is bringing in profit makes about as much sense as expecting your business to only ever grow to ifinity. Like after a record growth caused by a pandemic to expect your business to keep growing more than ever before.
happy weekend mrs discourse
Lots of people here in Florida that came from Brazil. They speak Portuguese and not a lick of English. So this affects people in the US too. How expensive is it to hire a guy to translate a book?
(not defending wizards in the slightest) but there is more than goes into it if you take into account, editing the translated copy, printing a second version, distribution, storage etc. but it is still just a shitty move to appease blood sucking share holders rather than the actual customers, because the shareholders take priority over staff, business partners or customers.
Have to say that apparently a former employee of diverse background at WotC working in D&D spoke up about their experiences a while ago. As you can imagine they were little more than a checkmark on WotC's list and many of their ideas were ignored if not had others claim responsibility for them. It really sounds like working as anything less than management in Hasbro/WotC has been hell for most people and is a constant attempt at short term gains at the expense of... well anything be it morals or long term health of the company.
They drank the cool aid after 3.5
people have finally began to smell the corpse.
Cocks wants to use AI now for D&D and MTG... Ugh this guy sucks.
Dicebreakers has the article.
Dungeons & Discourse another scandal video for next week! Please! Yeah, upper management at WotC, what a bunch of fools.
So it doesn't make monetary sense to make things in Portuguese any longer? Sounds like a business decision that a corporation might make.
Kinda my thought too. I don't see the outrage here. Disappointment, sure, but this isn't shady in and of itself.
This was the exact argument I made. It's almost like if you have Marxist ideology you can't possibly understand how the free market works.
I don't think you're familiar with this channel -- it's lighthearted entertainment -- and a riot. She's just poking fun at the idiots that are in upper management at WotC. This channel is a blast to watch!
There's no way Hasbro executives aren't killing the company on purpose. They, like Disney, are making TOO many bad decisions to brush off as mere incompetence any longer.
This is the 9th time I’ve seen a similar title like this lol
Is anyone really surprised that diversity and inclusion weren't more than just marketing schemes? Maybe I'm too cynical. Maybe you're not cynical enough?
I can't speak english and have no idea what she's talking about, but I'm here for the weird images. :D
I love ALL Dungeons & Discourse videos!
14:11 actually, the button didn't light up for some reason lol.
My playgroup calls them the Grand Wizards of the Coast
As much as I dislike wizards and hasbro , I dislike the over exaggerated click bait title even more.
The delicious irony is that the button does did NOT light up.
:( it used to!
@@dungeonsanddiscourseUA-cam betrays its creators once again. Ú_Ù
Another thing to consider, given the digital emphasis WoTC is putting on D&D, is that this decision "helps" put pressure on these now under-served markets to buy into the D&D Beyond microtransaction business model in order to continue playing any "new content".
Ding ding ding! That's exactly it. I'm convinced they're gonna end physical publishing in the US too because they've sunk so much money into D&D Beyond that they literally can't afford to have it fail--especially since most of the people who cancelled their subscriptions haven't gone crawling back (which honestly impressed me, I'm not used to people on the internet sticking to their guns about boycotting something.) A Bob the World Builder video recently broke down the 2023 statistics for how D&D Beyond is being used and even the people who stayed aren't participating in the microtransaction economy to the extent that WotC hoped they would--sticking to the core races, for example, which are free. So even in that sense they're not making a lot of money. In fact, the Bob the World Builder video noted that they included NPCs as individual characters in order to inflate the numbers of over all 'player' characters created. Given the average number of NPCs per game, I'm sure that boosted the numbers quite a bit. But yeah, this whole thing is a blatant attempt to funnel people into D&D Beyond and it's not going to work.
Meanwhile paizo is strangely
1. Woker
2. Better
I wonder why
Woke and Better don't belong in the same comment.
@@DarthPoyner it was by definition woke to abolish slavery, are we worse off because it ended?
@@mogscugg2639You wouldn't by any chance be the kind of person to use the term MAP would you?
@Ykesha can you explain what that means and why it's important here?
@@Ykesha This is such a stupid fucking comment.
Thank you for covering this story!
*Cries in City of Heroes* “Not profitable enough.”
Isn’t City of Heroes back, though? Or was that a different superhero game? Personally, I miss Marvel Heroes or, Marvel Heroes:Omega, if you must…).
@@Wolf359inc Yes it is, sort of. Homecoming has secured a License. However in the theme of the video, City of Heroes was shut down essentially for “not being profitable enough.”
Thank you for talking about it! As a part of your brazilian audiences, its important that english content creator speak about our issues to a wider audience!
Totally expect daggerheart to announce Portuguese release concurrent with English
Honestly I would not be surprised if CR has their ears opened to what people are upset about and are in turn fulfilling the opening opportunities thanks to Hasbros stupidity xD
Yeah the system is in beta, but I feel like as it smooths out and becomes officially released they are going to spread it wide and far or at least I hope so. They are quite business savvy after all.
@@houndgirl7365The Paizo technique
Digital platforms have a one time cost for language internationalization. And that cost would be Google Translate, followed up by fan corrections. Not so easy with physical books, and we all know if it's not quick & easy cash, companies don't want to do it.
Ope, when the chips are down, Hasbro shows its true self... 😬 Oof.
8:35 - They're literally not putting their money where their mouth is
Great video. It really sucks that WotC continues to do things like this. I can only assume they're trying to tank Hasbro's share price so they can get sold off to someone else.