Why Hasbro Just Banned Elves in Dungeons & Dragons
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In a setting with real deities, who grant their followers amazing healing powers. There are no characters with wheelchairs. Characters that show that much direct defiance to them and their powers is a challenge that these powers will not allow. The situation would be as follows.
Wheelie- My character needs the fighter and ranger to carry me down the first flight of stairs.
Cleric- I lay my hands on you and heal your body. Now get up and walk down the stairs.
Wheelie- Im not accepting the healing. I want my wheelchair.
Deity- Smite
Cleric- What did we have the cripple along for?
Fighter- We were bullied into it.
Can you tone down the makeup in the future? It triggers my coulrophobia. I love your videos and how informed they are, but I have a hard time watching them due to my phobia.
The 1st wheelchair was invented in 1595 for King Philip II of Spain.
It was done so he could move around with his severe gout present in his legs from a near entire diet of meat.
Sorry to tell you & most people that the disabled were not treated well in the past with the exception of the highest nobility that could pay for any new fangled thing they pleased.
Rich political, media & social elite/celebrities are frankly still terrible making the nobility of the past look good by comparison.
Anyone with a basic knowledge of the high middle ages & prior know how ridiculous any consideration for disability is high fantasy.
Their was no allocation in any nation of the world till 17th century 'grand hospital' & the special education via various academies or church's in the 18th century.
If you are deaf, blind or crippled outside of the Anglosphere or select post ww2 western continental European nations even today you will likely not receive any education or education.
Go out side the western & those with disabilities are still treated worse then animals.
I was mute till 7 & many thought me dim which I wasn't referring to me as a animal when these foreign imports thought no one was present but I hurt them even as a child for I was not
Normal as my father quote: ''you were akin a shaved ch!mp as a nipper my son, as you terrified everyone even your mother followed by his usual laughter''.
Go out side of the Uk for even in the USA & Canada they would have be practising eugenics as they were before Axis nation put a damper on that position.
Technically speaking I walk with a cane/stick now so am disabled which no one really gives a fvck about me as I have had multiple youth attempt to attack me even one with a machete.
Funny how they were let of the hook for being of differing ethnicity.
It is animal instinct to exterminate that with an affliction or disability for genetic reinforcement & preventing illness or weakness in the group to exterminate that weakness.
Most people have not gone beyond their momentary passion being worse then a beast for an beast has an excuse but people have none.
Passion before mind is the norm even today more so then the mid 20th century ironically in the west.
In many nations with your weight that is the USA average you would be considered disabled in many nations.
If I was not as physically capable & familiar with combat as I trained by my elders I would not have likely lived to majority.
My grand father Jim gave me the best advise early at about 5 ''your life will be hard, your choices few & everyone will think you beneath them lad! so fvck em.''
I made myself greater then most even now & bloodied anyone till curled up husk on the ground that thought they were my better.
I am callous & my mother describes me as ''cut throat'' which I am not as I just learnt how vile most people are young which don't deserve kindness for they do not possess kindness!
Your views of the present much less the past are innocently oblivious at best like most all governments & corporations with pleasant words of flimflam but are empty false piety.
I'd rather most people do fvck all for others then pretend to care or feel compassion.
Alphabet people & sheep in the ground with virtue signalling to replace false piety that was more bearable are both distasteful leaving rancid taste to me.
It easy to pretend to care but few put any effort in.
People today want to be praised for nothing the vile sacks of tomtit!
Food for thought!
@@mordredstein9553 you really just asking someone to change things about themself for your sake?
@@NeXoN369 I can't control having a phobia. Let's try to show a little bit of empathy, please.
So, the TLDR of this video is...
A set of joke statements were taken waaaay too seriously by an AI, who then wrote a news article about some of those joke statements?
Man, that's wild.
Yeah, it's started creeping into the TTRPG space. A smilar thing happened earlier this year where a Chinese website broke the news that Hasbro were selling DND, but it turned out that an AI wrote the article based on a Rolling for Combat video X.X
If it makes you feel better, these types of articles are creeping into the pro wrestling space, too
Thank you, because that was going to be tank the game for a lot of folk
@@aduinoch Every day tons of AI spawns some kind of anti-AEW articles. Its hilarious and sad.
Those articles have been getting worst in the gaming scene since the sites need to get some revenue to not get axed
It's a bit late for April Fool's Day, isn't it?
Very out of season
Every day is April 1 for large language models
My thought exactly
For these clowns EVERY DAY is April Fools Day ! ! ! 😀😃😄😁😆😅🤣
Yet another failure by Cynthia Williams to leave in early March so this bot could produce this in mid March so this could land on April 1.
So A. I. mistook memes from VARIOUS RANDOM ACCOUNTS as official statements from a CORPORATION WITH WELL-LABELLED ACCOUNTS.
yeah the scale of failure here is pretty high
@@dungeonsanddiscourse Apparently the Twitter A. I. couldn't even tell accounts apart!!!
@@youtubeuniversity3638 Us humans are all same in the eyes of the A.I.
AI is at the point that trusting it to turn the lights in your house on and off on command is equivalent to trusting a 2-year-old to not only safely pilot a spaceship on a round trip to Mars, but also to land safely at both ends *and* do so consistently and repeatedly
Well, I could see why it (they/them?) got confused.
played a bard once, that managed to get the find familiar spell.... so i got a cat.. named it Thaco..... people in the game said ... "Thats an aswesome name where did it come from?" and i shook my head in shame becuase it turns out im the old guy
I memorized that chart back in the day. I still have my AD&D books after all these years.
Grognards unite! As fast as our mobility scooters will carry us towards the newly inaccessible dungeon entrance.
You could’ve said to the younglings “It’s from Ariana Grande. THAC0, next! THAC0, next!”.
It is to hit armor class 0. thac0... Also AI was nuts.
I still play AD&D with most of the same guys from the old high school gaming group from the 1980's. we know the system and see no need to change.
The general banning of anything in a roleplaying game is an impossibility. If I want demons drowning puppies in my campaign, you can't ban that as, I have them in my game. Just because they remove them from the game (puppies, of course, they would never remove demons) does not mean they are banned from the game. It just means they are removed from the rules. Since the rules are merely suggestions, there is no banning. Of course, this is all BS anyways.
In the first half, I was thinking, "This story was made by AI and people believed it, right?" And then there was an ad. And then it got worse.
Was it an AI-generated ad?
I want my baby dragon
agreed
Same. Like, I don't know if I'd make baby dragons standard for PCs. But giving each PC a pet sounds cool as something you try once in a while.
Yeah. Or giving the draconic subclasses like dragon blooded sorcerer or drake warden ranger a little drsgon sounds cool
If I'm elected I promise a baby dragon in every pot.
@@rwill156 Marcelle hated that
Okay, new setting where dragon owners are hunted ruthlessly to keep the world dragon free.
no newbies!!
@@dungeonsanddiscourse All you tell the characters during character creation is, "Good news, you all get to start with a dragon egg of your color choice!" Don't tell them they are all members of a world-wide hunted cult. They're just happy "dragon people."
You described Game of Thrones and the Maesters.
Yes! Dragons are oppressed! Smash the Playerarchy! Mandatory sensitivity training to avoid microaggressions! Reparations! Statehood for the District of Draconia!
@@RimeoftheAncientGamer I once wrote a setting idea for a world where the tenuous peace is int eh after math of something called the "Dragon War". In said war, all the dragons were supposedly banished or eradicated. Supposedly.... yeah, the real talk version hits differently.
It was a bloody apocalyptic war.... but not all of the dragons are genuinely dead. Some are merely sealed away hidden in places where they would hopefully never return. But then we find out that... well.. actually.... there's a dragon cult run by a dark elf vampire.
Said vampire tricks a greedy wizard into inadvertently freeing the dragon queen, hilarity ensues.... maybe... depends on what you think is hilarious.
The twist though... is that the general public has NO idea why the dragon war started. Or just how monumentous the return will actually be.
Also everyone who has dragon relics or fairy relics.... time to bend over.....
Here in the U.S.A. not just the water was (is) contaminated with lead, but also the air! Leaded gas was burned by most consumer vehicles until 1996.
Also our interior wall paint: a lot of leaded paint was used throughout the 1900s and never removed, just painted over in lots of houses and apartments all over the country.
So hey give us some slack we're all suffering from some level of long term lead poisoning which causes all sorts of neurological pathologies.
you can thank one man for both leaded gas and CFCs - someone described him as 'he had an instinct for the regrettable that was almost uncanny'
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
I only play ginger Dwarves with outrageous accents! And I have a wheelchair acessible Dragon!! Or something.....
Are you the prime minister of Wales?
Wht about a dwarf dragon in a wheelchair *eyebrow wiggles*
Nothing says “land mine” quite like an accessibility ramp into an evil lair.
Look! My Chaotic Evil BBEG is not going to comply with ADA laws because he’s chaotic and evil. If your his minions you should consider yourself lucky that the BBEG is the Load Bearing boss for your lair cause it could have been Tim from accounting, a department we all know is one heroic fireball away from no longer existing in this organization (They are the only Lawful department here. We might be a cult devoted to awaken the god of all destruction of the material plain but even we don’t fuck with the IRS!).
Back in 1991 I ran a campaign where the big bad was a lich in a wheelchair.
I mean it could be used as an interesting setup.... Like just because the dungeon was set up to be wheelchair accessible when it was NEW doesn't necessarily mean those features are still in good shape or working properly.... Imagine finding out that the elevator is not only out, but was the only way in for wheelchair users... Then finding a guy that died trying to crawl up the stairs because there was something bad down there and his party left him behind.... His wheelchair tipped over at the base of the stairs...
I mean if I'm going to include the concept of wheelchair using adventurers I'm gonna make it clear that their plot armor is no more potent than any other member of the party and bad things can happen to them if they don't work together to overcome whatever problems their differences in mobility are. (Same issue that people have with wheelchairs is basically the same issue they have with flying characters... Differing levels of movement ability can be bad for party cohesion as it increases the likelihood of the party splitting up. In the case of wheelchairs, the stairs are a cliff and everyone not in a wheelchair can functionally fly allowing them to traverse the obstacle faster.)
@@YeAuldGrumpI put a starting campaign boss against my players, he was a level 3 Wizard trying to sacrifice virgins at a sea henge. My players thrashed him and his minions and unchained the Virginia from the sea henge just as the tide was coming in.
My players decided not to arrest the guy, but shackled HIS feet to the sea henge. They came back at low tide and found only two severed feet.
Due to some bizarre actions the players caused the death of my original medium level campaign BBG. So I brought in the crippled wizard, hovering above the ground with no feet. He was a great rival right up until he became a lich.
My party isn't made up of snowflakes, so wheelchairs don't exist in my setting where the only way you'd end up in one can be healed by magic. And if you don't make it in time? You're no longer adventuring. Simple as.
It's terrifyingly upsetting to me (having only heard of the meme just now) that these points as digested and spat up by an AI sounds entirely like something I could see Hasbro/WotC possibly pulling.
NGL I was nodding along and thinking "Wow, they really lost the plot this time" without suspecting a thing.
It took me longer than I care to admit before I realized Discourse (and the boringly terrifying A.I. generated dystopia we all live in apparently) played a sneaky trick on ol' Uproar.
I'm possibly going senile.
As soon as I heard "Only Dwarves" I suspected this was a joke of some kind, didn't suspect AI though.
I’m just relishing all the dorklords out there telling everyone to believe such obviousness, collect their patreon money from their rubes subscribers, and never backtracking their own idiocy, possibly even quadrupling down on it in future videos.
That's probably why people were fooled. Businesses, particularly these businesses, have proposed dumb stuff before and for real.
Kind of just love we see Harsk, the Dwarf Iconic Ranger, from Pathfinder just show up for this D&D rant.
Wow, I'm surprised I've never heard about the Harlot random encounter table, given how dog-eared and sticky my custom hardcover print of Netbook of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge is.
Nothing sounds insane anymore.
Correction: everything is clearly insane, none of it is shocking anymore.
*** raising a toast for THACO***
there are DOZENS of us
@@dungeonsanddiscourse DOZENS!!!
Only if 0 is "no armor" and 20 is "godlike invulnerability" and that's IT. I miss the THAC0 days, but it was rather stupid.
I use THAC0 to this day. And I have to explain to my players every round. You take your THAC0 you minus their armor class and that’s what you need to hit. Every round. It’s one very simple, subtraction problem. When you slap the name, THAC0 on it, and it becomes unsolvable.
@@calvincasaday7690you know, if you have to explain it to your players every round then maybe it's not that good system?
If we get our own baby dragon, then I will not know whether How to Tame Your Dragon is a movie, new module or an euphemism.
I mean, I remember hearing all the hubbub about the idea of wheelchair accessible dungeons and immediately got the idea of an old mining town saving it's economy by converting the mine to a special dungeon that was set up for adventurers to come to town and try to complete challenges to win a prize in the style of Legends of the Hidden Temple and the entire town was basically a tourist trap. Therefore, if the whole point was to attract adventurers and their money, why wouldn't it be accessible to as many people as possible?
By the way, feel free to steal this idea!
And then there could be parts of the mine that weren't kept up with and are actually dangerous/closed off for fear of accidentally killing off said adventurers.... The real adventure being found in the closed off part at the bottom of a broken mine-shaft.... And now the locals are worried that whatever is in the sealed part of their tourist adventure trap might come up and threaten the town....
Don't worry I'm already working on it now.
If there was ever an excuse to go full murderhobo…
Also mines would have ramps in them for the minecarts anyway. So *any* dungeon made out of an old mine would naturally be wheelchair accessible, at least in the main corridor.
I mean, centaurs like tours, too.
Traps in D&D... Ah, memories of Grimtooth's Traps collections. If you know, you know. 😉
Probably not. Book was trapped after all.
💀💀💀💀💀!
Fun to read but unusable in actual game.
@@tuomasronnberg5244 If I remember there was a new reprint with stat numbers that were balanced. Can't remember if it was a kickstarter or just a project.
@@sea-envy3137 It's available from Goodman Games, check them out, they make good stuff.
Great to see strong stereotypes such as Dwarves being Adventurers and Corporate Management being Absolutely Insane 🤢👌 Glad to have it all cleared up 👍👍!
Lowkey though, a game based on Dwarven dragon tamers would be kind of sick! Maybe not specifically D&D or necessarily a TTRPG, it could be some board game based on that idea or something.
*Lich:* Soon the world will burn in emerald fire and I shall build a kingdom of Death, the bones of this world shall lay the foundations of my new undying eternal empire!
*Party:* Fould Lich, we are here to end your tyranny!
*Lich:* Hahaha, I must say heroes, I'm impressed you made it here so quickly!
*Party:* Well it helped tremendously that your crypt is wheelchair accessible.
*Lich:* Oh of course, I may wish to end all life throughout the planes of existence, but I'd never want to be considered an Ableist!
**pinching the bridge of my nose** Dare I fing ask?
I have played a 3.5 campaign where all of us got a Dragon Egg, and most of the baby dragons sacrificed themselves to defeat the BBEG!
Originally you had to gather and spend gold to level up. This was commonly referred to as 'The Leveling Orgy' (at least amongst those I knew). Typically this resulted in lots of food, alcohol, and prostitutes. So having a prostitute table actually did work well for us. I wouldn't call it important, but it helped.
Is any consummation roleplayed or does it just result in an Inspiration point gain?
@@commandercaptain4664 It was essentially how you leveled up. So now a days you might compare it to how some DMs require you to train with an expert for a few days to gain your level up bonuses.
Some groups would RP it. Some groups would just declare it accomplished. The really fun DMs would do things like roll to see if you got into trouble.
So maybe you are playing a fighter, and you roll into town loaded with money ready to do a pub crawl with your adventuring party. You start guzzling wine and hitting on the bar maids, but maybe you roll really low on your charisma check and get banned from that pub for a week.
So your character goes to an inn and flirts with the Inn keepers kid, only to get kicked out of the Inn. Now your out in the street, drunk, and get harrassed by the town guard. So you punch one of them out and end up spending the night in the drunk tank.
A few days later your party finds you waiting for them to pay your bail with the local sheriff confiscating 10% of your gold to "pay the aggrieved parties".
All in all it was an excuse to get into shenanigans, so long as you spent all your money you would get your level up. There are some harder rules on it (Gygax LOVED his charts :).
But it was more about, what does an adventurer do when they aren't adventuring? After all, once a character has 200 gold, they don't need to work for at least a year. So imagine having 20,000 GP. Why would your character ever bother adventuring? Well the answer was, they spent all their money!
@@commandercaptain4664 Pretty sure Inspiration was Not A Mechanic way back them.
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THAC0 is so easy!!! I never understood the complaints
100%
Combination of poor reading comprehension and bad math skills. The player was never meant to worry about it, they just had to tell the DM what they rolled, and then the DM was the one that did all the math.
Also people being bad at explaining it.
When used in conjunction with a long list of potential "to hit" modifiers. It does become tedious.
Thac0 is the superior system. D20 sucks ass
Not gonna lie, villain lairs without wheel chair access is logical, if the heroes can't even get to the lair it saves on money buying traps, hiring new henchmen and minions etc.
In addition it allows for the players to try to use their ingenuity to overcome the problem.
sounds like an all-around win to me.
Reece did say that "they're not too smart" and that "John showed us how to dust them." Now we all know how he did that. Awesome.
“It doesn’t have any concept of remorse or accountability or fact checking, and it absolutely WILL NOT STOP until you are fooled!” - Science Officer Harry Skywalker
Thaco did nothing wrong.
It existed. That is enough.
Worst idea ever
THAC0 was the easiest way for a person not versed in statistics to understand the relative growth differentials of each class. When they moved to the "just keep adding numbers" mode of d20, it made people try to max/min a character rather than PLAY A F*×>ING GAME.
@@CajunCatguy the concept that specialist wizards, the elf race, human dual-classing, and basically every option in one of those brown faux-leather class books in 2nd ed weren't catering to min-maxing because "number go down instead of up" is hilarious. Thanks, I needed that.
As I understand it, the issue with magical combat wheelchairs in D&D is that it would be cheaper and easier to just make their legs work again.
There's magic to fix any damage, there are magic items that replace missing limbs (common item at that), the artificer can make their armor function like an ironman suit and replace the functionality... They actually made it so a person could play a character with non-functioning limbs and still play a viable character.
What should combat against a person stuck in a chair look like? Enemy one uses the shove action to knock them over. Enemies two through five then have advantage. Players turn? They use their action to get their chair upright and climb into it. Enemy one then uses shove...
What should challenges look like? You get to the lich's tower. It's a hundred feet tall with a spiral staircase to his room at the top. After spending five hours getting your wheelchair up there, just before you leave the staircase, he casts grease.
What about basic adventuring? As you roll your way across the field, you notice the ground is getting a bit softer. You realize that there is a creak cutting through the field. It's roughly fifteen feet wide and five feet deep. If you try to force your way across, you may get stuck in the thick muddy soil and drown. Do you want to risk it or spend what is likely to be multiple days finding a place you can safely cross?
It would probably be more fun, as a DM, to come up with simple but incredibly annoying ways of screwing that player over than it would be to find ways to justify them getting dang near anywhere.
@@ImminDragonthats basically it, there is a thousand things a character in a wheelchair simply can't do. The problem is, making accommodations for that player makes the whole idea of the dangers of adventure go away. And reinforcing how much problems theyd have is considered an attack on the players decision, cause they made a bad decision.
@@ImminDragon Presumably a wheelchair bound adventurer would be used to fighting from a sitting position.... I'd say they should probably forget about the wheelchair and take stock of their surroundings for anything they can sit on.... and possibly take some feats to boost their move speed, I'd presume their crawl speed should still be half of what their walk speed would be if they could walk... so ten to 15, perhaps 20 if something like a monk or barbarian... If they get a climb speed from a feat or class feature they should presumably be able to use that in any situation in which they can say they are climbing... where there is a wall there is a way, and fun fact, most stairs are adjacent to at least one wall... (And if a caster would they be able to cast while prone? that's probably a good question to consider)
But yeah I guess I just figure that players of disabled characters should take stock of what their character should be able to do when not in their chair, and consider how class features and skills factor into their mobility... Because if you can build an iron man suit of animated armor you won't need the wheelchair. If you can convince the artificer PC or NPC to build you a suit of iron man armor if you're not that class you should also be good to go, at least so long as you avoid the gaze of a beholder....
This seems like the perfect item for a gnomish artificer to create : a steam-powered ( flying? Levitating ? ) wheelchair with built-in Arrow launchers and deflector Shields..😂
To paraphrase your point, the issue with hitting things with swords is that magic can just kill things easily from a distance, why would anyone ever use a sword?
The reason hitting things with swords is in the game is because it's fun and some people want to play that way. Some people want to play characters in wheelchairs because they relate to that and can have fun doing it. It ain't your job to rain on their parade or tell them how they can play their game, get over yourself. Quite why you think you get to be the police here I don't know.
Characters in D&D do "suboptimal" things all the time, because it makes for an interesting character, or an interesting story. People sometimes take the harder path BECAUSE it's harder.
(PS Before you start saying "but hitting things with swords is better than magic in some situations", just shut the eff up, the GAME MECHANICS are designed to (sorta) balance melee and magic, this is an entirely artificial construct to ENABLE people play both, arguing the other direction is putting the cart before the horse. The mechanics solely exist to allow people to play the game they want to play. If that means wheelchairs then that means wheelchairs.)
This is hilarious... also I need to start flooding twitter with the most unhinged tweets for it to summarize as "news"
As an old grognard, I am SO toasting to THAC0 now!
Hear, hear!
I want to know how someone came up with that system, it makes literally no sense, they rolled a dice and that was the best way they could think of determining if someone hits someone else 😂
If it hadn't played its hand and said "only dwarves" I could have believed it, even if I would not expect it. Hasbro would never do something so unfathomably based as making the game dwarves only though.
All the while, it’s sadder that the OGL scandal was something real.
I don't even know what is " racist" and or canon any more ... pandering everything?.... i`ll just play fan made homebrew stuff i pirate i guess.... everyone told me since 20d but i guess its its over. the hobby is dead. lol last cons ive been to they said no cleavage/armor/weapons/race pandering.... its gone. 80/90.2000/even maybe 2010`s...Last decade is is kill for anyone playing THAC0...
WTF? THAC0 is pretty simple. The number is what you need To Hit Armor Class 0. Subtract the AC of the target to get the number required to hit. Your THAC0 is 18. You need a 13 to hit an AC5 target. It's not that hard.
Amen brother
To be fair, THAC0 did have a very twisted logic to it: they did AC backwards. Basically, your class and level set the target number, and the enemy AC was applied as a modifier to your roll (that is, an AC of +1 to +10 was a bonus, an AC of -1 to -10 was a penalty to your roll to try and hit your class/level target number). Thank Boccob someone realized doing it the proper way with the AC as the target and the class attack bonus as the modifier made more sense and fixed it.
Amusing in this case, absolutely terrifying in the ease by which this AI summary spreads misinformation.
Don't worry we know we can't replace you with AI yet, they still need some work on the dry humor. Once they have that though you should be worried!
NO one can ever replace you! Silence you, perhaps, but you are impossible to replace!👍👍
well i hope they don't do the silence thing either lmao
I have never even heard of the Harlot Table. I totally didn't just printscreen that frame and plan on using it the next time a player tries something.
There will now be a bounty on baby dragons in my games..
7:42 to be fair one of the most memorable quest from Baldur's Gate 2 starts if you try to get to the harlots of the Copper Coronet. Also, iirc, there were some quests to to into the brothel of the first Neverwinter Nights game.
THACO?! Hah! Now begins the erra of SPEEDFACTOR! MUA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
I loved Speed Factor and Weapon Type vs. Armor Type. Gives you more to think about when choosing weapons and weapon presidencies. Also makes historically accurate warhammers and pole arms relevant in the game.
Basic D&D used Thac0 as well! It has a clear scale from 9 meaning no armor up to 0 for suit armor and beyond for magical stuff.
It's really a not bad!
The worst part is that it felt a little believable. I mean, Grok did write it.
Note: I was using Grok as an example of such incompetence.
Thank you for bringing my attention to the Harlot table! I gotta dig it up immediately :D
This is beautifully unhinged. AND I DO CRY FOR THACO!!!!! except not really.
Controvery in D&D is the most ridiculous thing ever. 1st rule of RPG's DM/GM is god, everything else is suplimental.
People aren't really taught that anymore, I don't think.
@@Giomancer I'm old school, and the Forword in AD&D 1st edition is the only thing I cast in stone when I think of RPG's. Foreword, Mike Carr, TSR Games 1979. "Dungeon Mastering above all is a labor of Love", the books are guides "tools for creating your own world", creativity is key, " use the written material as your foundation and inspiration then explore the creative possibilities you have in your own mind to make your game something special"
@@Giomancer I pulled out the 1st edition DM guide and also found the 'Afterword', to be even more compelling in the ideal. Noteworthy is it is wrtten in all capital letters as to imply it's foundational value. Google it and you may also come to this as the only cast in stone rule of AD&D. Thanks for the opportunity to bring this to light. 🖖
and don't piss off your DM or you'll run in tunnels that seem to go on forever and in circles
Had my hopes up there for a minute. I can imagine a World without Elves.
Same, reason I clicked on this video.
Well at least there is always homebrew....
I've only seen someone actually roleplay a character as an elf once in my 40+ years of GMing. They're just humans with special abilities and pointy ears.
There is, it's called "Talislanta"... 😉
@@c.johnaustin4713 Their "Menagerie" is one of the best Monster Manuals on the market.
I'm so glad that WotC is helping encourage 3rd party TTRPG devs to advance their upcoming new play systems.
I love how Twitter's AI reads the meme and results in this video.
Great video but for the sake of defending the all-important THAC0 that made Baldur's Gate 2 such a nice game
You get a dislike today, sorry...
Still love you~~!
Clickbait-new WOTC CEO is a psycho
Actual story-Grok strikes again!
This has got to be a joke!
they got it wrong! :D
@@dungeonsanddiscourseit was entertaining!
As a long time D&D player. who learned D&D using THAC0, it wasn't that bad when people were taught better mathing.
As for Racial stereotypes, that never went away for alot of people. including like SUn Elves (high elves) being racist bastards towards others
WOTC is hiring, for what I don't fathom .
Drug induced orgies
Obviously they are starting by hiring comedians...
@@brettbridger362 . . . And CLOWNS ! ! !
@@stevenmcgrath5114 So, the Harpo Marx kind, or his cousin, Karl Marx kind?
@@brettbridger362 With THESE clowns, more like BOZO . 🤡
This doesn't sound like a version of D&D as much as a new setting. Not a setting I'm particularlly interested in playing in, but a setting still.
Fun fact: Lead water pipes are perfectly fine, so long as testing has been done to ensure the water isn’t corrosive and causes leaching.
Looking at you switching sources on a whim, Flint, Michigan
Ten years on and they're STILL drinking bottled water 😢
That “whim” was due to actual testing and cases leading to childhood cancer, but hey, what’s a few carcinogens?
lol, "non-corrosive water"
Is that like those perfectly spherical cows of uniform density?
smh, you guys really do live in a world of magic and fantasy. Free of things like salt or dust or grand canyons... just a static unchanging platonic model.
I switched to Pathfinder a couple years ago and didn't look back, its just better in every way.
So i get to play a cute draconic princling, running around with a minitaur barbarian guard?
every time I try looking up a dnd anything I just think: "why am I doing it to myself?" and go back to some wholesome pf2e news
2:51 pathfinder art spotted, the age of WotC has ended
gottem :D
It's your table... play how you want. Play a party of androgenous pony hybrids setting the world right through the power of a cancellation, or a group of social Darwinist chauvinists hell bent on colonizing every plane of existence using only their bootstraps. I've grown tired of the whole culture war crapola surrounding gaming. Would be nice if those so inclined would just find a way to exercise a little restraint and give it a rest.
Okay. About the Wheelchairs in D&D thing. I can explain this to you.
The issue with wheelchairs is not them by themselves. They make perfect sense in the same way they are applied today. As a cheep way to make people who can't move to move around.
The issue with them is when they are starting to become part of the character, and said character travel around a dungeon and adventure with a wheelchair.
This is extremely impractical for obvious reasons. If you explore Strahds castle and you have 120ft of stairs to walk up, you are not getting a ramp to move that wheelchair up. Not being able to move around is in fact so impracticable that there is no reason for someone who requires a wheelchair to even become an adventurer in the first place. So what people have done to "resolve" this fact is to invent stuff like magical wheelchairs so they have no reason to prevent anyone from doing anything an adventurer is required to do.
The issue with this is that is done only to treat a disability as an aesthetic choice. These people do not care about the fantasy. They care more about the political narrative such as "inclusion" rather than focus on what is normal for that fantasy world. This is in fact pretty insulting to many people who have disabilities. I know of no one who has a disability and do not want to get rid of it if the possibility existed.
Remember that D&D is a world where magic is prevalent. It is everywhere. Your basic thug is level 3, a common priest is level 5 and a knight is level 8. Your unskilled laborers earn 104gp a year, and a carpenter earns 1040gp a year. Resurrecting someone who has died, cost around 500gp and getting a prosthetic limb cost 100gp. If you do not have a way to resolve a broken or damaged limb by the end of the early game, your DM is not playing in the setting the book is written in. Even if your damage is something like nerve damage, lesser restoration (that every single priest/cleric knows as they are level 5) will resolve that. If your disability is due to a curse, you have remove curse or dispel magic by the same level. A common cleric can handle that just fine.
If you choose to buy a magic wheelchair over all other possibilities that are cheaper. You are doing that buy choice. You make the choice to be disabled rather than not being. A normal wheelchair make sense, but a magical one that can climb stairs does not.
It has absolutely nothing to do about being against wheelchairs. What it is about is that outside virtue signaling and logic from the real world is infecting a fantasy setting where it does not belong.
If you can invent a magical wheelchair, you can also create a magical set of leg braces that allow you to use your legs as normal. Or magic prosthetic legs. Or magically heal the fucking legs. Basically, THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON AN ADVENTURER SHOULD EVER BE IN A FUCKING WHEELCHAIR.
Allright, it's been a while since I explained a down-vote. -.-
The definition of disability is broad, including sensory (sight, hearing, touch taste smell), physical (losing your hand in a fight) and congenital (not having something to begin with)
Let a professional advocate illustrate a few things, icluding people's prefered solutions to disability:
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Some people switch off their hearing aids to enjoy the quiet.
ua-cam.com/users/shorts4ZNcgmgyzJo.
It's easier to find footage of mechanical limbs than the carbondioxide cylinder-powered limbs because the latter were so diaappointing:
ua-cam.com/video/ihh9EluajBY/v-deo.html
Greater Restoration can be looked up (thanks Roll20 ^,^) and you'll see that it's geared to restore conditions inflicted on people during their adventures. Degenerative conditions, missing / malfunctioning body parts you were born with, neuro-diversity? Not covered.
If you read the web comic The Gods of ArrKelaan, you'll see there's a story about a group of adventurers that take their dead friend to several temples for ressurection. This is due to their case for bringing him back not meeting the plans, business interests or whims of the gods. This is absolutely in keeping with the slew of DnD deitys that are either not powerful enough to heal you on the spot, need help to pull off a miracle, or will get annoyed if you so much as have lunch with a follower of another faith, or opposed gods from the same pantheon.
Wtih that in mind suddenly pacts with otherworldly beings, striving to bring converts or treasure to a god or a temple or retrieving dangerous artifacts for a wizard seem like viable paths to full physical accessibility. Yet if a well-meaning atificer offers you a low-risk alternative that can climb stairs and get you around a LOT faster?
A.G.
tl;dr: Ignoring how EASY and relatively CHEAP it is to WALK in D&D, even if your character CHOOSES to never address their non-working legs, it's a FANTASY world with INFINITELY BETTER CHOICES THAN A CHAIR WITH WHEELS! Floating chair, strong upper arms, be a flying race, be a knight with a squire who carries you everywhere, reduce person and mage hand, Artificer Armorer or Battle Smith, Ranger with a mount, Druid, JUST TO NAME A FEW THINGS THAT ARE BETTER THAN A CHAIR WITH WHEELS!
@@timberwolfbrother You missed a pretty big part. You missed the disability as aesthetic part.
@@Cloud_Seeker I just don't care as much about that part. There's plenty of stories that make characters incredibly badass in spite of disabilities, such as blind warriors, people with missing limbs, deaf characters. each going by whatever reasoning they have. In an almost ironic sort it can add to the power fantasy.
My bigger problem is that it's not so much treated as an aesthetic as it is a factor of "Main Character Syndrome" where the people playing characters with disabilities expect the worlds to be adjusted for their characters.
No, I think this demonstrates the need for fewer real-life humans behind these articles. This is a hell of a lot more entertaining than the slop IGN, Kotaku, and other rags put out. A lot less racist too.
There is nothing difficult about THAC0. (That is a zero, not an oh.) Roll, add bonuses, subtract FROM THAC0, that is the AC you hit. Alternately, subtract the opponent's AC FROM THAC0, that is the number you need to get.
I didn't mind THAC0 and I actually miss have a negative AC. It sounded so badass to have a neg4 AC tbh :). Maybe I'm just nostalgic for being 11yo?
i wish the system would stop showing me your content.
im not going to go as far as saying you shouldnt make it. i think you should do what makes you happy.
but this is the 3rd video ive tried watching and i cant even finish any of them...
like best of luck to you.. but this isnt for me
I agree, no handicap accessible dungeons. That is just good dungeon design. In fact also make it hard for capable people to get through the dungeon.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying!
"What do you *mean* there's no ramp to get out of this pitfall trap?!"
That dungeon is how I *got* handicapped. I'm not going back in!
“How am I supposed to get through a door that’s secret? I have eyes! I should be able to just see all doors!”
My dwarf paladin with my baby red dragon is ready for the new edition!
Disappointing that the return of THAC0 is fake. Long live THAC0!!!
D&D was waaaaayyy BEFORE Indiana Jones, and a world with healing magic makes wheelchairs ludicrous
THACO RULES
SECRET TOASTS TO THE ONE TRUE ARMOUR SYSTEM
UA-cam wants to know if I need your comment translated into English
GRAPPLING DROOLS
Fans need to create and fund a Trust to buy up intellectual property to prevent it being abused this way.
GOD DAMMIT, GROK
Nice one! And regarding changes to D&D: wee talk about a system including acting god and magic. So what is *not* thinkable/possible in D&D? We can let our imagination run wild. And if a Hero needs a wheelchair? Than it might be self driving, able to fly... why not?
The problem is the obsession with wheels, I think. A real, functional, non-magical wheelchair is a pain in the ass (to build, I mean: it has to be light enough, and the front wheels need casters). A flying magical chair/carpet/wagonbed? Much better! I honestly don't get why a discussion about wheelchairs ever started, but that's me, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Giomancer Of course a real Wheelchair would be next to useless in a real medieval world. The bad streets alone would make moving around hand powered near impossible.
But D&D has magic, that was my point.
It could be a nice new revenue stream for Necromancers. "Get help from your Family, a newer tiring wheel chair pusher. Send the gold and the grave location to this dungeon. Perfume optional"... :)
@@clausbitten Actually, now that you mention necromancy: Palanquins! A zombie chair! (ew?) Though I will say an undead chair-pusher would be pretty cool too. Why pay a servant or aide that will simply get hungry or tired, possibly being incapacitated just when you need them most! 😄
@@Giomancer It might also be a great job for Golems. I like that idea of Pratchett's Discworld Golems that can work more or less tirelessly and for ever. :)
lol if you watch the entire video, you’ll find out that it is
Nerds were worried about Jocks.. But it was the Drama dweebs who ruined DnD.
The idea of a dungeon filled with traps having wheelchair accessibility just seems silly. If you don't want people entering you secret evil lair, why provide wheelchair accessibility? Which is only made more confusing by the fact that most medieval/fantasy settings don't have disabled people because those kinds of societies would usually leave someone to die if they couldn't take care of themselves.
Because it means more foolish goody-two-shoes can look upon your genius traps and despair
Great video. Thanks for aggregating all that nonsense so we can see just how silly things are getting out there.
Thank the Gods Thaco is back and I am no longer a DM.
A random prostitutes table? Did Gygax get help from Frank Miller?
Also I am actually planning a campaign where all the PCs have pet dragons (probably going to use savage worlds rather than d&d though).
One of the best changes between dnd 2e and 3e was the elimination of thac0.
Because 2nd grade math is so hard
@@adampender2482 The math wasn't hard, it was just a stupid system.
@@adampender2482
The math is exactly the same, or have you not noticed the trick?
AC10 is just Thac0 in disguise...
But if you want to do this, lets:
My issue with Thac0 comes from a game design perspective, and not the rule itself.
First, let is acknowledge Thac0 has different ways to be calculated based on class. It wasn't as easy as using your level and a bit of math... you had to know your progression track. If you where not really well versed in this progression track? Then you had to break out a chart and look that up... and heaven forbid you have bad memories. While some out there might crow proud about this gate-keeping measure, those casuals needing charts... if newer players can't grok your rule set without constantly looking up facts in books... you failed.
Second, notice that subtraction within the math itself. While it might not seem very big, it is something to be avoided within most systems. Unless you design said system to use all subtraction, and why would you do that you monster, you have unnecessary complications within your game. Slowing it down as players have to switch back and forth between adding and subtracting. As for being a monster - brains like when numbers go up, work with it and not against it.
Third, Thac0 didn't deal with stacked numbers very well. It was entirely possible to get characters with AC's of -1, -2, or even -10 on them. While negative numbers might not seem that problematic in a math class... this is a gaming system we are discussing. Having numbers like that just forces the people to snap further out of immersion to deal with added complexity.
I don't have many memories of using Thac0, but it stood out as... the odd rule... for a reason. Our current AC10 system is superior because it addresses these game play issues and makes the math fit our expectations. It is the reason why you have to add 10 to your AC, after all....
I haven't giggled like I did at this for a hot minute, so thank you. I needed it!
I think I'll just keep running a campaign for adults. No offense to younger players, but a cute game is not what my players and myself want. And I really hate THAC0.
LOL, Ai assisted misdirect. Oh, technology.
So, jokes aside, THAC0 is not the same thing as hit tables. It is, like ability tests, actually a homebrew / fan thing (and the whole acronym was a joke), and it was made official only in one only edition of the game, namely AD&D 2nd edition, you know, the one when they wanted to create more modern version of D&D and they failed. And it was, well, a hit table reduced to one number, because these big complicated hit tables were pretty linear and somewhat pointless. So the creators got more space for pretty full-colour illustrations which are apparently more important in rulebook than actual rules.
Also, if you think "the complicated math" is subtraction (instead of addition which is, well, everywhere in D&D), I guess I must suggest you to create a character for HERO system, where they have square roots. Dunno why, the theory is whenever you try to create "balanced" and "fair" game mechanics, sooner or later you'll get square roots and the system still will be sh*t. So, let's see what actually next D&D edition will have...
THAC0 was ported to BECMI, that’s how I learned about it. Also, Hero System allows a GM to create anything to a micrometric degree and have it all make sense, whereas D&D is a pure guessing game to achieve any semblance of balance. The square roots are only for those who want to go full Minecraft with it. Now GURPS Vehicles on the other hand… I hope you like calculus with your calculus, cuz that’s the default for that book.
@@commandercaptain4664 interesting, I've never seen becmi books, in cyclopaedia there's all about hit tables, the thac0 is mentioned only in one place to make sense of published adventures (AD&D adventures I guess).
As for HERO and GURPS, that's what I'm joking about. There is a lot of dividing, multiplying and such (in GURPS you also have all that skill defaulting sh*t which doesn't make things easier) and a lot of calculations that were seemingly about balancing the game but makes system borderline unusable. We can discuss that for a long time, but my take is, that is not what RPG system should do. There were a lot of convoluted systems of '80s and '90s and I played many of them, none was especially fun and it worked mostly because we were that particular type of old school gamers who use any rules or rolls sparingly, mostly when there are no other way to solve the scene...
@chakravant I’ve only read Hero 5E, aka The Bullet Stopper, and as involved as it was regarding world building, the square roots and fractals never interfered or were ever in use with actual gameplay.
That’s even truer about GURPS, whose basic ruleset was playable with a free 32 page Lite version (or 4 pages for the pamphlet sized Ultra Lite version). Fractions were sparingly involved regarding ranged combat and other rarer miscellany, but they could easily be circumvented with alternate rules, as opposed to AD&D 1-2E, which utilized a multitude of resolution mechanics vastly unrelated to each other (roll low ability checks vs roll high attack rolls against lower and better ACs vs Save against Wands Staves and Rods vs different XPs for leveling certain classes over others… etc etc). GURPS only had a couple standard resolutions for everything and a frightening amount of options upon options for customizing a group’s preferences.
It’s only when designing a GURPS vessel wholesale using the Vehicles supplement that required a full MENSA committee to even glance at that morass. I mainly grabbed that book out of equal curiosity and astonishment about how that designer thought any of that book could apply to such a simple system as GURPS. It was truly an an anomaly to behold and I’d never used it, for fear that my brain hole would go full Ark of the Covenant while reading a restaurant menu.
@chakravant As a side note, if you want 80s complexity, absolutely nothing came close to Rolemaster. Every instance in that game seemed to require its own rule. I still enjoyed playing it, but I could never buy it for myself.
@@commandercaptain4664 I don't. I know rolemaster but one thing is overabundance of minutiae rules and other is mathematical complexity. RM seemed pretty tame on the math level (unless there were some formula to calculate these tables, never read actual books so maybe I'm wrong, I only played that monster). It had specialised hit tables for every weapon available in the rules though.
Ok, you can stop with the rage bait now. Please.
AI is and Algorithm Imitator and not Artificial Intelligence, for now, and it should not be used in place of a human yet.
2nd time I have reported your channel for click bait. Making half your video click bait to say “This isn’t really happening.” Is no different to saying “I wasted 5 minutes of your time for money.” Shame on you.
It's not that serious, I just wanted to get people laughing about a funny story :)
Adding back in the harlot miscibility table might have some niche applications…
Gary Gygax made tables for Everything, chances for randomly contracting a disease? Table for that... also made a table for how much damage you take for trying to transform as a lycantrope while wearing armor, sorted by armor and lycantrope type. Random gemstone value table... Henchman/hireling loyalty tables... A pummeling table because sometimes your attempts at asskickery needs a random result table to determine the outcome of your murderhobo activities! A random noise table... for when you need to insert a sudden noise but don't know what to go with.
a personal favorite: Random Monster Encounters: Temperate and Sub-Tropical Conditions: Uninhabited/Wilderness Regions: Frog Sub table.
The possible options are Giant(frog), Killer(frog) and Poisonous(frog). There are NO normal frogs in the swamp!
I took me until my 39th year on this Earth to realize I have the same outlook on life as a dwarf. *🌈The More You Know🌟*
rock and stone brother ⚒🪨
Re: Cynthia Williams. WotC to file paperwork with the FCC and the fact that they do not have a replacement ready to go means that they probably did not fire her or ask her to resign. She probably has an offer somewhere else and she gave her two weeks notice.
There would certainly be disabled commoners in a fantasy medieval setting.. but adventurers? I mean, a simple restoration spell and presto! no more disability! Maybe low level adventurers but if I can get raised from the dead, then I can certainly get an arm restored after that pesky gelatinous cube disolved it off....
Not everyone can afford to get healed after taking an arrow to the knee
@@towelgirl21that’s what becoming a town guard is for.
The reasons the combat wheelchair annoys me are as follows:
Fighting from a seated position (especially when your legs dont work) is insanely difficult. Your movement is very restricted, and you lose so much leverage.
Another reason wheelchairs annoy me in D&D is because magic to fix such disibilities can very easily be found in any large city - almost making being disabled a choice more than anything. Its especially egregious in settings like starfinder, where we not only have common restoration magic but accessable and abundant cybernetics with plenty of doctors to install them.
Nothing like some bad faith click bait over nothing so you an shill for a company and try to hide the add in the middle of the useless video.
i thought this was a fun video, can't be super intense all the time :)
I almost cried before I clicked the video, I didn't think I could cope with my favourite race being removed from my favourite game. I am already dealing with enough. Glad to hear it was just an AI having an apoplexy over a joke, and yet at the same time, f@ck AI!
even if this was true you know wizards of the coast can't make you do anything put whatever you want in your game it's your game you paid for it you're running it do whatever you want with your property and your time don't let corporations/public opinion dictate to you what you can't do or how you should do something
When you have to check if it is April Fools day and it's almost May...
The trick is Fool’s Day was always in May!
Okay, I want the "Blackjack and Hookers" starter set, which I totally read in Bender's voice. 😄