Throwing with shoulder pads should be used in all combines and pro days on all quarterbacks who are entering the NFL draft. This will show the true mechanics of ones throwing motion and touch on their passes. A little discomfort is worth it when one is considering you for the highest profile position in sports. Not to mention the millions that will be spent on them. Johnny put on a clinic! Good job young man.
It's really up to the players. The whole point of pro day is for the players to showcase their skills in a comfortable setting. Yeah it would impress if players wore pads, but think about it from a player position. If they had a lot to lose, ie potential 1st round picks, why risk it? Game Tape > Pro day. always. yes it impresses, but you have to weigh the pros and cons. If you do well with pads, maybe you move up a few spots. You do bad like Bridgewater, you get dropped off of a cliff in terms of stock. For 4th rounders and down, wearing pads will help them more than hurt them.
When I originally watched this 4 years ago i thought he had a little zip on the ball...watching it again after watching Darnold and Rosen I'm like what the hell was I thinking every pass seems to wobble.
I think he could’ve made it in the nfl if he went to a good organization, the Browns messed him up if he had developmental staff he would be in the nfl
The first freshman to win Hiesman, it really shows! Johnny is a TRUE TALENT, the likes of which Jacksonville has never seen! I'm not a fan of the Jags but if my favorite QB goes there I'll support em all the way thru. I pick my favorite NFL teams by my favorite players. But...I think when it comes to NCAA, u should have 1 and only 1 favorite team, and that should be the state where ur born and raised and will live out ur days. Mine being TN. I support em no matter what. Great talent, great job!!
Throwing a football consistently and accurately starts at your feet. If you have great footwork, which this guy does, you have the potential to be a great thrower. After seeing this I'm on board.
Marc Rover a lot of these passes were ducks which means he wasnt generating power through his hips enough thats why he never had a cannon also he can't read a defense
i only counted 3 incompletions: 1 drop, 1 outta reach, and 1 bobbled on the sideline but didnt get feet in. but very impressive proday, hope he has a great career
i'm from london and i can tell this kid has got potential. from videos i've seen his footwork is pretty damn good and he's accurate with his throws. he's arm will get stronger and if he's reading of the play progresses aswel then he's got the making to be a star. reminds me a bit of vick aswel imo but haters gona hate
I'm not a huge fan of some of his antics, but Johnny beasted his pro day. And I hope he's successful in the NFL because his play is pretty entertaining.
Hope he goes to either tampa, cleveland or minnesota. Especially minnesota, Ap n johnny pairing up would be like peas n carrots. Perfect or cleveland D is stacke and they got jordan cammeron and josh gordan all they need is another Wr which unbelivebly deep this year n bif on both O n D line
I am i the only one here who is not hating on Manziel. Personally I like the guy he just hasn't had many opportunity to show what he can do in the pros. Give him his time and stop hating on his unorthodox throw style.
He clearly lacks great arm strength. Those straight drop passes take a bit too long with his slow release and the absence of power. His footwork and speed are quite good. He'll make a good back-up QB and maybe a middling starter down the road. Look at an video of Bradshaw or Namath warming up. They are just standing there, talking to someone, and throwing laser beams. It's the ideal.
Not sure why everyone was so impressed w/ his last throw. When I was 14 years old I could throw a college football 50 yards. And I never played football. I'm sure I could throw a ball 65 yards even now. That said, he looked good over-all. I'd draft him in the 1st round. Around 12-15th pick.
he rely too much on his arm ti throw the ball. That's why his throws lack alil velocity. He probably can't make a 55 yard throw accurately. In a throw distance competition he would probably throw the ball 57-61 yards. He is very accurate tho and has good footwork. Also has a quick release.
I would pick him in the 2nd round. I think he is a good QB, however there is a lot of talent at WR and DLine coming out of the draft this year. If I was a GM, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to pick the next Bruce Smith, Lawrence Taylor, or Megatron 2.0 in the 1st round.
I can't believe how many haters Johnny Manziel got on this video. I mean if you would just go to the search bar and type johnny his name is popping up. Endless highlights what other proof does he need because obviously his freshman year Heisman didn't mean anything.
Tebow also looked great at his Pro Day.. just saying. And I know that Manziel measured in at just under 6 feet tall at the combine, but he honestly looks like he's 5'8. Still think he can be successful, even without the height and big arm, but it's going to be an uphill battle.
@ Michael M if you were picking 8th and desperately needed a Q.B. What else would you say, clearly the Vikings are playing there hand close to the vest, I do not envision Teddy Bridgewater, Bortles or Carr making it to Mn., however they did draft Ponder.
@HoustonTexans Please Take This Man as your 1st round pick. You don't get this kind of opportunity every day, he wants to,stay in Texas unlike Andrew luck Take this guy or we'll regret it.
Good footwork, and good accuracy. However, he has a weak arm compared to most and a slow release. Hopefully his athleticism makes up for that, but I personally wouldn't use my #1 pick on him.
I'm not counting, you can just eye it. Fast releases would be Peyton, Brees, RGIII, Romo, Rodgers. But if you want a time, Romo has a 0.35 release time and I just clocked Manziel his was 0.75 so twice as long, I consider that slow, but taking nothing away from him, he can improve and rely on his athleticism in his early years.
Funny NFL times from scouts and analysts usually talk about his quick release. Ever watch sports science. Tim Tebow, in college, threw the ball faster than .75 seconds @ about faster .60. I seriously doubt he throws faster than manziel. I doubt you can eye his release time especially with times that low. Especially since the average person reacts at about .2. So your time would be off by a good bit. That .35 you got on Romo I'm sure you've read somewhere and I doubt they eyed that time. If he threw the ball slower than Tebow I'm sure it'd be a glaring weakness talked about on the regular on ESPN.
Anybody else notice anything over 20+ yards is 1) rainbowed which would be fine for a 45-55+ yard ball but for 25-30 yards no... n the ball has 3 seconds or more hang time do u know what nfl safeties are going to do to this man
My question is, do they make him use a regulation NFL football on his pro day? I assume they do, but if not that would make a big difference. I cannot wait to see if he can do it in the pros. He is definitely worth the risk for Cleveland. And he would have been for Minnesota. But they're too stupid.
A lot of those deep balls and some of those short passes were interceptions instead of having unguarded receivers they need to put corners in on receivers
You can never know if one pass is going to be an interception without the WRs not being covered, but it shouldn't matter, if he's putting the on a dime 95% of the time with uncovered receivers he will go ham in the NFL. Granted that he has to make the correct reads with the defenses and the corners I understand that, but we all have seen some of the decision making by Johnny Manziel, it's just amazing, he is just that good.
But look at the hang time on the deep balls that's enough time for a corner to get a good angle and pick the ball but I won't judge till I see him in his first NFL game
I can't believe ppl think manziel has a weak arm and a slow release?! His arm strength and release time looks pretty good to me. But I'm not a professional scout like everyone commenting on here saying his arm is weak and slow release....LOL
Johnny had alot of problems in the NFL his arm wasnt the strongest, he wasnt very accurate, how are you throwing ducks at your NFL pro day this tells me alot of his power wasnt coming from his core, he was a running quarterback in college but he only ran about a 4.5 at best which is great if you're quarterback is a dual threat QB not for a running quarterback tho if a quarterback in the NFL was focused on being a wildcat qb ( imo opinion it would never work in the NFL ) he'd have to be at the very least in the 4.4s, alot of his passes in college were completed just because he had an enough time to wait and find an open receiver or because he scrambled and a receiver managed to get open, he's not going to pick apart a defense the way peyton manning Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers do and he's not fast enough to run all over a defense the way michael vick use to. He was very immature dude is a coke head literally, you can be a certain amout of jackass and be a successful NFL quarterback like Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Brett Favre. But Johnny was just too much let the fame get to him. And to top it off he was on the Browns which never helps.
russ wilson and cam had 4.5 something 40 times and rg3 was 4.4 something..cant get too much faster than 4.5 if you're a qb besides vick. i think he had all the right skills and arm strength imo. i agree i think being with the browns ruined him. but you should watch grudens qb camp with him a few years ago
Really? You're blaming the Browns? Look at the throws in this video. He's terrible and Merril Hodge was spot on in his evaluation. This kid had no business being drafted in the 1st round and probably shouldn't have been drafted any higher than round 5. He was a great college qb but he did t have the size or skill to play qb in the NFL.
John Haver i spoke briefly about him not being able to pick apart a defense and i spoke about his throws and not generating power from his hips. Its no question he wasnt nfl material but im saying being on the worst team obviously didn't help him, never had talented receivers never had a RB his line could also do some work.
John Haver Russel Wilson didn't have the size either still was a gem he went to a team that was in a bad situation and partied away as well I feel like he could have done alot more
+Metro Boomin "Only" ran a 4.5? A 4.5 is fast as hell for a QB and fast enough for most positions. There's not that many QB's running faster than that. Heck if you run a 4.4 you're just under the peak of acceleration for football which is a 4.3. Off the top of my head RG3, Vick, are the only QB's in the 4.3 range . Newton, Tannehill, Luck, Wilson, Gabbert, Kaepernick are all in the area code of 4.5, 4.6. Of course it means more for some than others. Newton being built like a Edge Rusher, but running a 4.5 is very impressive.
People say his balls are all INT's...have you seen him on game days? Sure its NCAA, but all great athletes can adapt to situations. And I think he can adapt to the NFL.
I'll admit I'm torn on his draft position too. I feel he's over hyped and would serve better as a late first rounder. This QB class is one of the weaker in recent years it seems. I wouldn't go with a QB with a high draft pick.
The only knocks i see are all coach-able. Crosses his feet some, tips off the deep ball by holding the ball higher and on deep balls he's finessing it too much trying to put in there perfect instead of driving it and making the WR go get it. He's going to be pretty good, lot of Mark Brunell in him
I'm not sure what to think about Manziel. I think his pro day was impressive, but his deep balls have some hang to it. But I don't think he lacks arm strength. You can really see him throw some zip most of the time. I also looked at his foot work. It's solid. Not the best, but could be improved. Also, the back pedal throws? Were they scripted? Most of the time those are INT in the NFL. Overall, I am still impress. I have my rankings of who the best will be in this draft. #1 Watkins #2 Robinson #3 Mack #4 Gilbert and #5 might just have to be Manziel.
Well everyone has their own analysis. I think Clowney's motivation issue will come back to haunt him in the end. I was a big Bortles fan, but looking at some stats, he threw a lot of come back routes in college. What I do love though, is that Bortles is willing to stay in the pocket and take the hit while delivering passes. Reminds me a lot of Big Ben. And Bridgewater, I think he's the safest pick of the QB's. His intelligence and hard working alone will assure he's successful in the NFL. But how I just ranked them, is what I predict will be their impact in the NFL. I'd like to hear yours.
hes goin to the jags most likely. I hope he goes to the buccaneers tho. that's would be tight. or Cleveland, they got kyle shanahan as their OC, they would go well together. and their defense is stacked. all they need is a quarterback to make a couple nice plays a game. and they are a play off contender.
yeah but hes the only one who had deep accuracy at his pro day and completed all he deep passes. are you an analyst who knows this guy personally and knows what he does everyday? I love how you sit there and act like you know for a fact what kind of person he is. I don't understand what you mean by he talks like you know he wont ever grow up. what kind of mistakes did he make? what did some partying in college and mack on some girls, like every 20 year old man does? probably just like every other prospect going into the draft? his is owning up to his mistakes. by admitting he was wrong and that he made wrong decisions and is maturing as a person. that's all he can do. if he wasn't so popular from playing football, nobody who of even known about him partying or any of that stuff. he became a celebrity cuz of what he did on the field. so of course the media is going to follow him and try to make him look bad bcuz hes popular. he seems pretty damn professional in his interviews. and he can throw the ball 60 years, which is plenty enough. the only time you gotta throw farther than that is if you get like 10 seconds of protection, which rarely ever happens. manziel can throw the ball 50 yards on the run, and was the only one who completed every deep pass in his pro day. teddy bridgewater is supposed to be the best qb in the draft and cant even throw the ball 50 yards when he drops back. quit hatin on the dude before he even takes a snap in the nfl. you don't know anything about him besides what these sports media people get paid to tell you on espn, which is mostly lies to spice up stories, make you think like them, and ruin athletes reputations
mike mcbride Teddy Bridgewater is not your best QB in the draft the best pick is Blake Bortles. I bet he goes before Manziel. Anyways, no I don't think we are professional analysts, but among my group of friends I have pointed out many draft picks that were superstars. It doesn't take a genius to see Manziel still needs work. He struggles on the deep ball, but that's not all he's only 5'11 most lineman in his face are 6'1 + with about 36"+ arm spans. He's way too over hyped and hasn't taken 1 snap in the NFL. Most college players don't even make the NFL and he will be playing against nothing but #1 NFL draft picks. Also, if you watch this video real closely he's easy to read on which area he will be throwing too. Manziel won't even be drafted to a team with a good defense and be expected to turn a losing team into a winning one.
Sorry Johnny but today's nfl needs pocket passers tall accurate qbs that will stay in the pocket looking over the head of a 6 ft 3 defender and making throws to recievers that are in stride so the potential of the hit coming is less influential and damaging, a receiver running back to the ball or sideways on a scramble exposes him to being hurt more often
This video proves one thing: Mike Evans will be an NFL stud
Dive Guys don't you feel smart now
Well you sir were quite fucking correct
Great call.
This aged well
He has a superbowl ring as well
His agent and lawyer 😂😂😂😂
Throwing with shoulder pads should be used in all combines and pro days on all quarterbacks who are entering the NFL draft. This will show the true mechanics of ones throwing motion and touch on their passes. A little discomfort is worth it when one is considering you for the highest profile position in sports. Not to mention the millions that will be spent on them. Johnny put on a clinic! Good job young man.
It's really up to the players. The whole point of pro day is for the players to showcase their skills in a comfortable setting. Yeah it would impress if players wore pads, but think about it from a player position. If they had a lot to lose, ie potential 1st round picks, why risk it? Game Tape > Pro day. always. yes it impresses, but you have to weigh the pros and cons. If you do well with pads, maybe you move up a few spots. You do bad like Bridgewater, you get dropped off of a cliff in terms of stock. For 4th rounders and down, wearing pads will help them more than hurt them.
As a quarterback myself, I find it more comfortable to throw it shoulder pads on for some reason, idk why 🤷
They had him do that to hide his narrow frame/cavity actually
To me the center had a great day
When I originally watched this 4 years ago i thought he had a little zip on the ball...watching it again after watching Darnold and Rosen I'm like what the hell was I thinking every pass seems to wobble.
Hes getting the ball out
It comes out quick, so yes it zips but it’s not a tight ball
All three qbs have one thing in common...
i still come back to this almost yearly & think what could’ve been😪😭
Yeah he could of been a 2.0 version of Jeff Garcia which he was a pretty good qb back in the day
@@kevonnoel13 i’m more thinking a gracious young scrambling romo who actually was given a chance at a D1 school
He's a boss for having rick ross on the speakers
oof, this comment is so early 2010s that it hurts
And he did it with style. Mad style.
Johnny Manziel will be something special
parnell saint preux true
I think he could’ve made it in the nfl if he went to a good organization, the Browns messed him up if he had developmental staff he would be in the nfl
I agree. Browns have ruined so many qbs careers. Like seriously u cant tell me all thisoe first round talents were all busts
@@deneshbhaskar3944 yup, he was still young he needed a real leader maybe could’ve sat behind romo but they smartly drafted zack Martin
He publicly came out saying he did all he could to get away from the NFL. Browns didn’t do anything to him.
put an actual defense in front of him with an intense pass rush, and hes SOOOO much better than when a broom is coming at him...
really dude no way
do I detect sarcasm???
no way
K then
jk i was sarcastic. everyone throws better when people aren't actually trying to tackle them EVERYONE
This guy will do real well in the NFL......
Lol
The first freshman to win Hiesman, it really shows! Johnny is a TRUE TALENT, the likes of which Jacksonville has never seen! I'm not a fan of the Jags but if my favorite QB goes there I'll support em all the way thru. I pick my favorite NFL teams by my favorite players. But...I think when it comes to NCAA, u should have 1 and only 1 favorite team, and that should be the state where ur born and raised and will live out ur days. Mine being TN. I support em no matter what. Great talent, great job!!
That's the most ignorant shit I ever heard lmfao 😂😂😂
You were just wrong about everything here lmao
He looks good. Amazing athlete. Him throwing on the run is going to be lethal.
You were right. He looks lethal playing on a beach with children
Great hip motion and follow-through very Marino like.
Lmao
@@ianburch3696 Hindsight is 20/20 man! HAHAHAHAHA! I'm glad I'm not a QB coach!
Throwing a football consistently and accurately starts at your feet. If you have great footwork, which this guy does, you have the potential to be a great thrower. After seeing this I'm on board.
Marc Rover a lot of these passes were ducks which means he wasnt generating power through his hips enough thats why he never had a cannon also he can't read a defense
Lol
Marc Rover you in a front office yet?
Boy were you ever wrong
@@adamwittman982 To be fair, it was his decisions OFF the field that sealed his career. If he wasn't such a loser he might have been aight.
@LukasFekade-Sellassie The brooms simulate arms swatting at your throwing motion in passing lanes
i only counted 3 incompletions: 1 drop, 1 outta reach, and 1 bobbled on the sideline but didnt get feet in. but very impressive proday, hope he has a great career
i'm from london and i can tell this kid has got potential. from videos i've seen his footwork is pretty damn good and he's accurate with his throws. he's arm will get stronger and if he's reading of the play progresses aswel then he's got the making to be a star. reminds me a bit of vick aswel imo but haters gona hate
Welp.
4:30 "bad bitchhhh, htowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn" welcome home Johnny
Impressive. I hope he goes to the Texans. It'll be match made in heaven for him. Texas bread and good talent around him, he would succeed.
This kids going to be amazing in the NFL.
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Sky is literally the ceiling for him talent wise, whether he is a success or not is just dependent on his mind.
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Yikes who's gonna tell him😬
@@zsmith4681 he wasnt wrong...
I'm not a huge fan of some of his antics, but Johnny beasted his pro day. And I hope he's successful in the NFL because his play is pretty entertaining.
He looks good as I knew he would
This didn’t age well
Lookin good
He throwin that bitch on point, great accuracy!
Eddie G lol
Can’t believe he was throwing to his agent and lawyer because his receivers were too hungover to show up. 😂
He is definitely worth a first round pick.
Yikes
This didn’t age well
man if he could only keep his personal life drama free
Now that the season has been over for a while, we can see that Manziel has a lot of work to do on his game. Looks like my assessment was right
BOOM!
Johnny "Box Office" Manziel
Lotta wobbly ducks.
3rd/4th rd pick
Candy arm
Fire Browns GM
He can't throw spirals?
Sitizen Kane it not really a big deal
Love how hes listening to A$AP Ferg
This camera angle is deceptive. Looks like his arm is weak cuz you can't judge the distance the ball is traveling. He has an arm. Obviously
Hope he goes to either tampa, cleveland or minnesota. Especially minnesota, Ap n johnny pairing up would be like peas n carrots. Perfect or cleveland D is stacke and they got jordan cammeron and josh gordan all they need is another Wr which unbelivebly deep this year n bif on both O n D line
Whos here after the documentary
This kid had juice.
Where is he now? Exactly!
I am i the only one here who is not hating on Manziel. Personally I like the guy he just hasn't had many opportunity to show what he can do in the pros. Give him his time and stop hating on his unorthodox throw style.
Hes acting like Steve Young.
Johnny Manziel should go to Houston
release game on fleek dafuq
He clearly lacks great arm strength. Those straight drop passes take a bit too long with his slow release and the absence of power. His footwork and speed are quite good. He'll make a good back-up QB and maybe a middling starter down the road. Look at an video of Bradshaw or Namath warming up. They are just standing there, talking to someone, and throwing laser beams. It's the ideal.
damn this dude is little. I mean vick and Flutie were not big guys but damn...the helmet looks like Rick Moranis from Spaceballs with that thing! lol
Lol asap ferg in the background
WOw JOHNY football great. HE's like JOE NAMATH sayin " we are going to win the super bowl" good stuff here. Like FRAM TARkenton. Lets draft NOW!
He made it to the NFL for a reason ...its no secret the movie draft day is about the Browns ..they will have a great year...watch #1 in the North
Yikes
What's that guy doing with the broom?
What is the guy with the broom doing?
He was throwing to his ducking lawyer
Mike evens is a beast...those 2 balls were dropped because that WR sucks at catching
can anyone name all the songs in the background?
Gay gay and gay
I dont know how he will be able to see downfield.They need to make him a 4 inches high sneaker.
What kind of nike cleats are those
Jerry Jones TRADE up for him idc how many draft picks we give up he's worth it
This aged well
his face at 0:25,swears hes doin work
Manzail
Can y'all give him time to develope as an nfl player. The dude ain't gone deliver first year out. In 2-4 years he will be good.
Kids gonna be a bust watch
Depends where he gets drafted
Not sure why everyone was so impressed w/ his last throw. When I was 14 years old I could throw a college football 50 yards. And I never played football. I'm sure I could throw a ball 65 yards even now. That said, he looked good over-all. I'd draft him in the 1st round. Around 12-15th pick.
Maybe you shoulda played with a arm like that
Charles Smith
I agree 100% Charles !
Fricken idiots these days comparing themselves to the best of the best no you couldn't you gay boy
Back to Africa !!!!! Yahhhh
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he rely too much on his arm ti throw the ball. That's why his throws lack alil velocity. He probably can't make a 55 yard throw accurately. In a throw distance competition he would probably throw the ball 57-61 yards. He is very accurate tho and has good footwork. Also has a quick release.
You made all this up 😂
I would pick him in the 2nd round. I think he is a good QB, however there is a lot of talent at WR and DLine coming out of the draft this year. If I was a GM, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to pick the next Bruce Smith, Lawrence Taylor, or Megatron 2.0 in the 1st round.
I can't believe how many haters Johnny Manziel got on this video. I mean if you would just go to the search bar and type johnny his name is popping up. Endless highlights what other proof does he need because obviously his freshman year Heisman didn't mean anything.
What is the song at 4:02 ?
Trophies
Tebow also looked great at his Pro Day.. just saying. And I know that Manziel measured in at just under 6 feet tall at the combine, but he honestly looks like he's 5'8. Still think he can be successful, even without the height and big arm, but it's going to be an uphill battle.
I meant menziel
doesnt it look like his receivers always have to slow down for him
@ Michael M if you were picking 8th and desperately needed a Q.B. What else would you say, clearly the Vikings are playing there hand close to the vest, I do not envision Teddy Bridgewater, Bortles or Carr making it to Mn., however they did draft Ponder.
Aí chegou e fez porra nenhuma!
His release is definitely better than blake bortles
@HoustonTexans Please Take This Man as your 1st round pick. You don't get this kind of opportunity every day, he wants to,stay in Texas unlike Andrew luck Take this guy or we'll regret it.
Good footwork, and good accuracy. However, he has a weak arm compared to most and a slow release. Hopefully his athleticism makes up for that, but I personally wouldn't use my #1 pick on him.
Slow release. Really? When do you start counting and what do you consider fast.
I'm not counting, you can just eye it. Fast releases would be Peyton, Brees, RGIII, Romo, Rodgers. But if you want a time, Romo has a 0.35 release time and I just clocked Manziel his was 0.75 so twice as long, I consider that slow, but taking nothing away from him, he can improve and rely on his athleticism in his early years.
Funny NFL times from scouts and analysts usually talk about his quick release. Ever watch sports science. Tim Tebow, in college, threw the ball faster than .75 seconds @ about faster .60. I seriously doubt he throws faster than manziel. I doubt you can eye his release time especially with times that low. Especially since the average person reacts at about .2. So your time would be off by a good bit. That .35 you got on Romo I'm sure you've read somewhere and I doubt they eyed that time. If he threw the ball slower than Tebow I'm sure it'd be a glaring weakness talked about on the regular on ESPN.
Actually I'd say he throws about the same release time as Tebow.
Then why don't they bring it up. Because that's not true. If it was they'd talk about it all the time just like they did with Tebow.
Anybody else notice anything over 20+ yards is 1) rainbowed which would be fine for a 45-55+ yard ball but for 25-30 yards no... n the ball has 3 seconds or more hang time do u know what nfl safeties are going to do to this man
My question is, do they make him use a regulation NFL football on his pro day? I assume they do, but if not that would make a big difference. I cannot wait to see if he can do it in the pros. He is definitely worth the risk for Cleveland. And he would have been for Minnesota. But they're too stupid.
A lot of those deep balls and some of those short passes were interceptions instead of having unguarded receivers they need to put corners in on receivers
You can never know if one pass is going to be an interception without the WRs not being covered, but it shouldn't matter, if he's putting the on a dime 95% of the time with uncovered receivers he will go ham in the NFL. Granted that he has to make the correct reads with the defenses and the corners I understand that, but we all have seen some of the decision making by Johnny Manziel, it's just amazing, he is just that good.
But look at the hang time on the deep balls that's enough time for a corner to get a good angle and pick the ball but I won't judge till I see him in his first NFL game
I can't believe ppl think manziel has a weak arm and a slow release?! His arm strength and release time looks pretty good to me. But I'm not a professional scout like everyone commenting on here saying his arm is weak and slow release....LOL
Good thing all those people you mocked were more knowledgeable than you. Also why you’re not a scout
evans and manziel are going to jags
Do the jags have 2 first round picks?
i think evans might go to 2nd round or they trade for another 1st rd pick
wrong and wrong
i don't see any mustard on any of those throws.. you gotta have mustard on your throws in the NFL
Johnny had alot of problems in the NFL his arm wasnt the strongest, he wasnt very accurate, how are you throwing ducks at your NFL pro day this tells me alot of his power wasnt coming from his core, he was a running quarterback in college but he only ran about a 4.5 at best which is great if you're quarterback is a dual threat QB not for a running quarterback tho if a quarterback in the NFL was focused on being a wildcat qb ( imo opinion it would never work in the NFL ) he'd have to be at the very least in the 4.4s, alot of his passes in college were completed just because he had an enough time to wait and find an open receiver or because he scrambled and a receiver managed to get open, he's not going to pick apart a defense the way peyton manning Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers do and he's not fast enough to run all over a defense the way michael vick use to. He was very immature dude is a coke head literally, you can be a certain amout of jackass and be a successful NFL quarterback like Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Brett Favre. But Johnny was just too much let the fame get to him. And to top it off he was on the Browns which never helps.
russ wilson and cam had 4.5 something 40 times and rg3 was 4.4 something..cant get too much faster than 4.5 if you're a qb besides vick. i think he had all the right skills and arm strength imo. i agree i think being with the browns ruined him. but you should watch grudens qb camp with him a few years ago
Really? You're blaming the Browns? Look at the throws in this video. He's terrible and Merril Hodge was spot on in his evaluation. This kid had no business being drafted in the 1st round and probably shouldn't have been drafted any higher than round 5. He was a great college qb but he did t have the size or skill to play qb in the NFL.
John Haver i spoke briefly about him not being able to pick apart a defense and i spoke about his throws and not generating power from his hips. Its no question he wasnt nfl material but im saying being on the worst team obviously didn't help him, never had talented receivers never had a RB his line could also do some work.
John Haver Russel Wilson didn't have the size either still was a gem he went to a team that was in a bad situation and partied away as well I feel like he could have done alot more
+Metro Boomin
"Only" ran a 4.5? A 4.5 is fast as hell for a QB and fast enough for most positions. There's not that many QB's running faster than that. Heck if you run a 4.4 you're just under the peak of acceleration for football which is a 4.3. Off the top of my head RG3, Vick, are the only QB's in the 4.3 range . Newton, Tannehill, Luck, Wilson, Gabbert, Kaepernick are all in the area code of 4.5, 4.6. Of course it means more for some than others. Newton being built like a Edge Rusher, but running a 4.5 is very impressive.
People say his balls are all INT's...have you seen him on game days? Sure its NCAA, but all great athletes can adapt to situations. And I think he can adapt to the NFL.
Boy were you ever wrong
I'll admit I'm torn on his draft position too. I feel he's over hyped and would serve better as a late first rounder. This QB class is one of the weaker in recent years it seems. I wouldn't go with a QB with a high draft pick.
Well
Jamarcus russel lasted longer than this guy lol
I love reading all the comments by people that never played the game. Tuesday afternoon Quarterbacks.
The only knocks i see are all coach-able. Crosses his feet some, tips off the deep ball by holding the ball higher and on deep balls he's finessing it too much trying to put in there perfect instead of driving it and making the WR go get it. He's going to be pretty good, lot of Mark Brunell in him
gary coe lmao
Check the attitude at the door and you might have a chance at being a good pro. Manziel can be another Doug Flutie and better.
Manziel doesn't wow me throwing the football. Needs to throw better after setting the feet. Doesn't throw many spirals
His time will come
+Mongo1778 when?
+Mongo1778 lol he's out of the league
I'm not sure what to think about Manziel. I think his pro day was impressive, but his deep balls have some hang to it. But I don't think he lacks arm strength. You can really see him throw some zip most of the time. I also looked at his foot work. It's solid. Not the best, but could be improved. Also, the back pedal throws? Were they scripted? Most of the time those are INT in the NFL. Overall, I am still impress. I have my rankings of who the best will be in this draft. #1 Watkins #2 Robinson #3 Mack #4 Gilbert and #5 might just have to be Manziel.
Well everyone has their own analysis. I think Clowney's motivation issue will come back to haunt him in the end. I was a big Bortles fan, but looking at some stats, he threw a lot of come back routes in college. What I do love though, is that Bortles is willing to stay in the pocket and take the hit while delivering passes. Reminds me a lot of Big Ben. And Bridgewater, I think he's the safest pick of the QB's. His intelligence and hard working alone will assure he's successful in the NFL. But how I just ranked them, is what I predict will be their impact in the NFL. I'd like to hear yours.
jimmy c
If you think Manziel has a weak arm, then you need to go back and re evaluate him. Seriously.
LOLLLLL this is his pro day bro...you funny
jimmy c
Well unless you put in a more concrete analysis with evidence, I'll disagree. But we're all entitled to our own opinion.
jimmy c U need to look back on tape of Johnny's arm.
I can hardly wait for him to throw long to Josh Gor....oops. Uh, better let him learn on the sidelines until we get adult wide receivers in Cleveland.
Texans
Puts a better spin on the ball than manning
The GOAT college football quarterback
Russell wilson is as short as him if not shorter and now he has two rings on his fingers....(marriage ring and superbowl ring)
hes goin to the jags most likely. I hope he goes to the buccaneers tho. that's would be tight. or Cleveland, they got kyle shanahan as their OC, they would go well together. and their defense is stacked. all they need is a quarterback to make a couple nice plays a game. and they are a play off contender.
He will get destroyed in the NFL I saw about 6 interceptions thrown.
yeah but hes the only one who had deep accuracy at his pro day and completed all he deep passes. are you an analyst who knows this guy personally and knows what he does everyday? I love how you sit there and act like you know for a fact what kind of person he is. I don't understand what you mean by he talks like you know he wont ever grow up. what kind of mistakes did he make? what did some partying in college and mack on some girls, like every 20 year old man does? probably just like every other prospect going into the draft? his is owning up to his mistakes. by admitting he was wrong and that he made wrong decisions and is maturing as a person. that's all he can do. if he wasn't so popular from playing football, nobody who of even known about him partying or any of that stuff. he became a celebrity cuz of what he did on the field. so of course the media is going to follow him and try to make him look bad bcuz hes popular. he seems pretty damn professional in his interviews. and he can throw the ball 60 years, which is plenty enough. the only time you gotta throw farther than that is if you get like 10 seconds of protection, which rarely ever happens. manziel can throw the ball 50 yards on the run, and was the only one who completed every deep pass in his pro day. teddy bridgewater is supposed to be the best qb in the draft and cant even throw the ball 50 yards when he drops back. quit hatin on the dude before he even takes a snap in the nfl. you don't know anything about him besides what these sports media people get paid to tell you on espn, which is mostly lies to spice up stories, make you think like them, and ruin athletes reputations
mike mcbride Teddy Bridgewater is not your best QB in the draft the best pick is Blake Bortles. I bet he goes before Manziel. Anyways, no I don't think we are professional analysts, but among my group of friends I have pointed out many draft picks that were superstars. It doesn't take a genius to see Manziel still needs work. He struggles on the deep ball, but that's not all he's only 5'11 most lineman in his face are 6'1 + with about 36"+ arm spans. He's way too over hyped and hasn't taken 1 snap in the NFL. Most college players don't even make the NFL and he will be playing against nothing but #1 NFL draft picks. Also, if you watch this video real closely he's easy to read on which area he will be throwing too. Manziel won't even be drafted to a team with a good defense and be expected to turn a losing team into a winning one.
Michael M Bortles is not the best QB
parnell saint preux You are right he isn't, but he is the best pick for QB in the draft. He is the most NFL ready.
Sorry Johnny but today's nfl needs pocket passers tall accurate qbs that will stay in the pocket looking over the head of a 6 ft 3 defender and making throws to recievers that are in stride so the potential of the hit coming is less influential and damaging, a receiver running back to the ball or sideways on a scramble exposes him to being hurt more often
Anyone else yelling out the routes the receivers were running? #footballplayersunite