Why The Chris Paul & Blake Griffin Clippers Never Won An NBA Title | STORY MODE
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2024
- Dahntay Jones details the one reason why the Lob City Clippers couldn't win. #chrispaul #blakegriffin #losangelesclippers
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"If You Locked Deandre Jordan In A Gym By Himself Overnight And Told Him He Couldn't Dunk, He'd Have 6 Points In The Morning".
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im dying😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 chuck is ruthless
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Please get Blake griffin on the pod 🙏
Coming from a Long time clipper fan ..Cp3 , blake Had egos ...JJ redick talks about it on the podcast numerous times ..Jamal crwaford even said it himself Egos "everyone tryna be the man" ...and doc wasnt no help. Dosent adjust, dosent sub out nothing...LA clippers had TALENT ON TALENT...HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR MAKES IT ALL WORTH IT
#LAC
JJ and craw never said doc doesn't adjust.
Shaq said the same thing about them losing to the Pistons in 04,he said everyone wanted to get theirs. But,the Pistons defensive tactics against the Lakers were simple,yet effective.Plus,Malone wasn't 100%,,Horace Grant was in street clothes during the series,Rick Fox was also hurt. Gary Payton was-TRASH -the entire series-LOL.
-- Part of coaching is Xs and Os. AND sometimes...it's managing egos.
Case in point? Phil Jackson asked Kobe to tone down the scoring b/c they were losing Shaq's focus. Kobe could have gone for 40pts plus for nearly a dozen games in the 02-03 season so....Kobe obliged. It's not just the "triangle offense" but everything else as well.
Glenn Rivers? He blew THREE 3-1 leads and hasn't made it out of the 2nd round for 11 years straight.
Clips gonna clip lol don’t be to excited
CP3 is why the team took off, I was a season ticket holder and it was night and day. Blake should have realized that and let CP3 lead the team, instead his ego smashed it all and ended what could have been something great.
I remember a few years ago Austin rivers acknowledged this saying how their relationship was weird cuz they both had their egos and thought they were the alpha of the team
That's why Blake smashed Lana Rhoades too lmao
On God💯
@@DvineDragoon it was revealed a few months ago that the NBA player who smashed her was Bruce Brown not Blake
@@luke1804 at least she got to do it with an NBA champion....
They needed a good small forward
Better shooters and a defensive stud
I always said if kd would’ve went to the clippers that year he left okc they coulda won it all.
And that budget for small forward is sent to Austin rivers just because he is the son of Doc rivers, Austin rivers is almost pointless in that clipper's team. Doc river gave his son a 10 million dollar contract is ridicious.
Spurs and okc also was in the division
He said James Harden but the ones who know remember Howard, Brewer and Smith leading a comeback while Harden was on the benched in a closeout game!
that man don’t know ball
That wasn't game 7 tho, James balled game 6 and 7
@@thesocratescamdenJames was benched in Game 6 when Brewer & Smith went off in the 2nd half but yes he did ball in Game 7
People don’t realize Blake and cp3 didn’t like eachother at all and that’s why they never won
Or you just made that up cause we all know the real
@@dunkvondoom2392 dahntay says so too
@@Maxjuliann smh, you're slow...I'm speaking on you saying "people don't realize" how tf do you know what we realize?!
I think having Doc Rivers as a coach doesn't help either, he has never heard of the word "adjustments"
I could tell
Doc Rivers couldn't make adjustments per usual. Had the the rockets down bad and let a washed Josh Smith beat them.
He made plenty of adjustments. adjustments is just a buzzword i bet you have no idea what the clippers ran.
What about that OKC series stuff up as well?
You wanted them to double Josh Smith and Corey Brewer? GTFO of here with that. There's no adjustment for 25% three point shooters turning into Ray Allen and Reggie Miller. You just ride it out.
Sometimes sports just happens. It's no one's fault. Smith and Brewer hitting all those threes in a game Houston had already conceded is just bad luck.
Look Doc isn't Tom Thibideau or Erik Spoelstra when it comes to instilling mental toughness but ANY team would have been hard pressed to bounce back from that.
You had the Donald Sterling fiasco + an emotional 7 game series with SA + the Smith/Brewer game + all the baggage from years of playoff failures. It's too much. Even without a broken locker room that is extremely hard to come back from. With a broken locker room, forget it.
Lmfaooo you literally just heard a player on the team say they lost because their two best players hated each other and you think Doc Rivers is at fault because Josh Smith got hot from 3 stfu
He kind of sounds like Kobe😢
Chris Paul is the biggest jinx in league history!
I mean I haven't seen Blake do a single thing without CP.. So..
@@darkestnights9808what has CP done? 😆
@@Daniel_AurA Chris Paul without the Clippers:
7x All Star.
6x All NBA Team.
4x All Defensive Team.
3x Lead The League In Steals.
3x Lead The League In Assist.
3x Top 5 MVP Voting.
Rookie of the year (06)
Lead The League In Clutch Points (2019)
Lead The league In free throw % (2020)
Set 3 Franchise Team Records (HOU, NO, PHX)
x2 Western Conference Finals Appearance.
x1 Finals Appearance.
75th Anniversary Team.
@@darkestnights9808Damn, smoked him. That being said, one of these days CP3 gotta get his flowers cause he’s had a hell of a career.
@@darkestnights9808 all that to say he hasn't won a championship. He's in the same boat as Blake.
213 era also lost 3-1 with a completely different roster, not just Lob City. What's similar was Doc "It's not my fault" Rivers
Joe Ingles was the glue guy they needed to win a ring.
They cut him too apparently
@@eboooo indeed.
Man SO MANY ex-Clippers say the same exact thing, specifically about Chris Paul and Blake Griffin seriously not liking each other. The more it’s said the more it makes sense why they never made it out the 2nd round. No way a team can have playoff success under those circumstances
They were missing a good SF
He lied about James Harden. James got bencher in the 4th in one of those pivotal games. Jason Terry, Dwight Howard and Josh Smith went nuts out there and eventually James got his shit together.
Nah Dahntay didn't lie. He was talking about Game 5. Harden had a 26 pt triple double and got the Rockets back in the series.
Game 6 is what you are talking about. He started playing bad and got benched. Then fucking Josh Smith and Corey Brewer decided to go nuclear from the 3 and they came back to win Game 6.
I'll never forget it. Experiencing that as a Clips fan was horrible.
@@blitzy7961 His post has 11 upvotes and yours had none yet you have the correct account of what occured.
@@freddycalipari4242 agreed. but I acknowledge my bias as a James Harden hater 🤝🏾
@@blitzy7961I could feel the malice in your message for Cory and Josh bro 😭
Lying and being wrong are 2 different things lol.
Josh smith killled em cp got injured too
lol Zach Randolph stayed hoeing him 🤦♂️
Wow. Dahntay Jones is quite well spoken.
0:38 interiorally????
You mean internally fam? 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Playoff injuries killed their chances:
2012 2nd Round vs. SAS-Griffin out with severely sprained knee
CP out with groin pull.
2013 Playoffs 1st round vs
Memphis: Griffin out with ankle sprain
Limited minutes in gms 5&6.
2015 Playoffs 2nd round vs. Houston: CP out with hamstring injury. Crawford limited minutes.
2016 Playoffs 1st round vs. Portland: CP and Griffin both lost for the remainder of playoffs in gm4. CP with a metaparsel finger injury and Griffin with a quad injury.
2017 Playoff 1st round vs. UTA: Griffin suffers toe injury. Out for series.
Doc Rivers always said you got to be lucky to win a title
His Clippers never were!
2015 CP was out only for two games and they went 1-1 and stole home court, then went up 3-1 against Houston. That was their year but they blew it.
@@torpedospurs and 2016/17 we aint beating the Warriors.
@@Eric-zh6mcSteph was injured in 2016 we would of beat them
Sounds like fake players that can’t push though adversity when it matters the most
I mean I don’t know how much factor having “different personalities” was the demise of them not getting the championship. Kobe and shaq had different personalities, and they still managed to get to the finals 4 times and took 3 out of them. They were on another level I guess…And of course they weren’t being coached by Doc Rivers lol
Shaq and Kobe are the greatest duo in history. Hard to compare Blake and Cp3 to them, let alone any other duo in history. Add in arguably the greatest coach in Phil Jackson and you get a dynasty based on talent, skill and guidance. Doc Rivers is one of the most overrated coaches in history.
Lmao Phil Jackson was called the zen master for a reason
you’re taking his words too literal he’s just saying they didn’t get along at all
Well the other problem was Chris and Paul combined had nowhere near the talent level of Kobe and Shaq together.
So, when you're going up against stacked teams like the Spurs and Cavs, the margin for error is very slim.
And the other big problem was defensively they were quite bad. Which always prevented them from going much further than the second round.
@@italktocomputers1901 The question he was asked was what the biggest problem was on that team, and this was his main answer. I’m only going off of what he implied
Been a fan since 02’ man that lob city team was SPECIAL but it was also such a disappointing time. Before playoffs started clip fans knew we were either going to choke or our star players would be injured. Smh great highlights and moments but I wish we could have seen Jamal, Barnes, Dj, Blake and Cp get their ring as clippers.
They were always hurt every yr too, especially toward the playoffs
Yo this guy was apart of some crazy events in NBA history
Clipps sure did trade Blake at the right time, Detroit had 1 good year. He literally peaked at 28 and immediately declined. He is 34 now and out of the league. KG was in his 2nd finals at this age in boston. Dirk was 32 when he led Dallas to the finals. Timmy was 37 when he took the Spurs back to the finals back to back averaging 17 and 10. Clipps seen something everyone else didn't.
The craziest thing is that AFTER lob city, Chris saw success and consistent playoffs as a key part of the offense/defense while deandre and Blake saw little to none
Blake got injured in 2019....
@@charlescooks9360 and chris paul got injured in 2014? and again in 2019 and again in 2022 - but he still went to the playoffs and even the finals
@@Kingkillacruz the 2019 injury was really bad. Go back and look at him right before it and right after
@charlescooks9360 that doesnt matter, he stopped playing with chris paul in 2015? So where was he in 2016, 2017, 2018? CP3 was in the playoffs
@@Kingkillacruz 2016 out for the playoffs 2017 out for the playoffs 2018 almost made the playoffs but got on a struggling pistons team mid season and got a minor injury at the end that sealed their season also cp3 wasn't on the 2018 team. 2019 got hurt with 5 games left. 2015 he was the BEST player in the playoffs the first 2 rounds, only one you could argue is lebron. Go back and look and compare him to James harden and Steph
Doc Rivers is the reason they failed lob city is only good for regular season
Paul George need to get Blake Griffin on here. Episode would be so 🔥🔥🔥
Lob City always ran into some type of injury OR just a flatout better team.. yall forget the powerhouses that existed in the west at the same time.. OKC, Spurs, Warriors, Rockets etc.. Lob City wasn’t better than any of those squads back then, even at their peak.
They where up 10 on the thunder in game 5 and had a 25 point lead on the rockets also we beat gs 1 time that year every game was close
@@vincentvega9747 Bro I’m not saying yall wasn’t an elite team back then, Lob city definitely was.. but OKC, Spurs, Warriors, Rockets were just BETTER in that same time frame.. yall still an all-time great squad.. just wasn’t the best or top 3 during the early 2010s.. those other teams actually made it to the WCF, Finals or won it all…. the furthest Lob City went was the 2nd round.
They were all better than each other at one point or another. Those clippers were the next team up
This. Was CP3 fan since Hornets. Clippers had individual talent but they had the biggest roster construction flaws out of all the contenders (lacked good wing in wing during the era when the win was arguably the most important position at both sides of the floor) were coached the worst ouf of all contenders and had the worst teamwork and chemistry out of all contenders. Lob City were like C tier contenders while Spurs, Heat, Warriors were A and OKC were B (also some egos clashing and a bit worse coaching but not to the extent of Clippers). Their only very slim but somewhat realistic chance was 2015 if they were able to keep that snowball effect of that momentum that they were begining to build during and after Spurs series. 2014 Spurs and 2016 onwards Warriors were clearly better teams in pretty much every basketball aspect let alone mental.@@giiotm8272
If you think you're winning a title with CP3, Blake Griffin, and DeAndre Jordan as your best players in a stacked Western Conference. Delusion has kicked in heavily
CP is the Russel Wilson of NBA; great player, future HOF, but always team dynamic issues
Not true. He only had issues with Blake. Everywhere else he's been to, he has had great connections with people. OKC, Suns, Houston, Nola etc. And I'm not shitting on Blake either. I just think it was a bad pairing personality wise.
@@blitzy7961 Nah, there’s plenty of reports out there and quotes from numerous players about CP. Seems his leadership style doesn’t vibe well with players. Not saying he hasn’t had good connections or isn’t a great player. Just seems like we’re always hearing about issues with him and teammates. Same vibe as RW.
@@blitzy7961i watched david west yell at chris paul to shoot then ball when he was trying to stat pad assists his last season there.
Lmao😂 the question in caption brought me in and jacky gave me a
good laugh right away😂.
That team was never good enough 🤣
I hate that Lob City didn’t get a ring man. It was their mental weakness, not talent.
They were never the most talented team.
It was injuries mostly... Either Blake or CP3 was always out with injuries come Playoff time, or playing through injuries that affected their level of play... Obviously, once you're injured and losing year after year, then animosity starts building up... But when they were healthy, they were consistenly good and looked like contenders by a lot of metrics... And this is despite playing in a very tough period in the Western Conference... You had the Spurs, Thunder, Warriors, some decent Memphis, Utah and Portland teams too.
Can’t blame Cp3 injury because Doc Rivers overplayed him without any real back up pg. The best backup pg they had was Daren Collision which Doc blew too
@@haydotzero3372 I agree their backup guards sucked, but CP3 was averaging like 33-34 minutes in those years... It's not like he was playing high 30s or low 40s minutes, and he was 26,27,28 years old...
CP3 had injury problems before he got to the Clippers... He plays hard every game and doesn't take possessions off on either end of the court... It happens... It's not like we haven't seen an ungodly amount of talented point-guards being injured in the last 15 years... Derrick Rose, John Wall, Westbrook, Curry, Kyrie, Isaiah Thomas, Kemba, even guys like Rubio... The physical requirements of the modern game take a tool on everybody sooner rather...
The problem with CP3 is that his injuries flared up at the worst possible times... Guys like Curry and Kyrie could miss entire seasons or entire Playoff series, but their teams were still good enough to advance deep enough for them to come back and help out.. When CP3 was out for the Clippers it was a wrap... Blake wasn't good enough to lead an average supporting cast on his own offensively, DeAndre beccame completely useless without Paul feeding him... Everybody else was an old journeyman.
@@kb5509 I mean the Warriors themselves in interviews have come out saying they felt the Clippers had the talent to win 1-2 rings.. so I think their opponents have a better idea of this than you. They were absolutely in the discussion as the most talented. The Warriors dynasty being #1, them being a close #2.
The problem was they didn’t have a small forward
Glenn Rivers is the blame
Blake Griffin is the best player in franchise history for us idc what anyone says as a kid I watched him single handily changed the whole trajectory of our franchise ! Idc what any one says he did so much for the clippers as a franchise. No Blake no lob city no kawhi no 213 it’s a ripple effect. Love Blake to death. Until Pg and Kawhi bring us a championship Blake is the goat for the Clips
Yes.
Funny thing is that it wasn’t even harden who killed em in that series it was literally Josh smith and Corey brewer LMFAOOO
When I hear Dahntay talk I think of a NPC from fallout NV
😂😂😂😂😂 spot on
always thought blake was lacking a true skillset, if you take away his athleticism and energy those spin moves and flops only went so far
Ironically, the one thing he was underrated at skillwise was handling and passing the ball. But there isn't much room for that in their offense because they had one of the best passer and ball handlers of all-time.
@@user-dc7um4pr3f🎯🎯 and he became better at shooting 3s
Honestly Blake’s offensive skillset was pretty extensive he had a mid range jumper, could handle, pass, low post, Doc Rives just relegated him to a lob dunker
@@jimibeamon7316I feel like he didn’t get that in his game until Detroit
@@blaze031gshinehe added that to his game when he got hurt. A year before he got traded from LA they started using him as a passer form the high post because he had worked on his middy so much he was automatic. It's just in Det they didn't have a true pg so he was asked to create more and was allowed to extend out to the 3.
The Lob city clippers made me fall in love with Basketball. Before watching im gonna say 1. Doc Rivers being both coach and GM. 2. Deandre Jordan being an overpaid roll player who refused to improve his game and see his true potential. And 3. Maybe holding onto Chris Paul for too long. Sure he is one of the greatest point guards to ever pick up the ball but at the same time U could always trust him to get hurt when u actually need him most. On top of that him being one of the greatest pgs of alltime stunted Blake Griffin's development and game as Blake Griffin was the best playmaking bigman of that mid 2010s era. Blake was increadibly skilled and came to the game with something new every year and had a more than reliable jumpshot by 14-15 but was forced to mostly play low and catch lobs. Griffin showed his playmaking skills during transition as well as when CP3 was hurt and he was statically the best player in the 2015 playoffs until the Clippers got eliminated, He did this in a series with Chris Paul and spearheading another without, only losing because Doc Rivers couldnt adjust and decided to add another alltime choke job to his resume.
How old r u?
Because Griffin wasnt allowed to play like himself. He was much more versatile than he got credit for. It wasn't until CP3 was injured for an extended period of time that he was able to put it on display.
Because CP3 only averaged 19 points (alongside 10.7 assists and 4.3 rebounds) despite clearly being the best player on the team. Old school point guards just don't work.
It's not like scoring point guards won anything. Kyrie's title is because of LeBron cause having elite wing is the key to winning the title. Curry is anomaly cause he is literally the best shooter ever and was lucky enough to be a part of very innovative and outside of the box thinking people that literally built full very smart and effective system around that based on ball and off ball movement.
@@lunacy5510 Jerry West has a ring, Zeke has 2 and only reached the finals when he focused more on scoring than assits. Curry has 4 (b-but anomaly) come on now.
I feel like the only one that never thought they could win it all lol
James Harden wasn't who dragged the rockets to win. He was having his yearly playoff disappearance and got benched down like 20 and the bench crew lead the way to the w.
Ego’s mixed with hitting the injury bug in the playoffs and they kinda got caught in the transition period to the 3pt shot being the most important. The warriors were their kryptonite I thought
So basically Doc Rivers didn't do his job. Media says he's tendering to egos of elite players.
So if he wasn't good at that and can't make adjustments come postseason.
What does Doc Rivers do?
He ruins players media perception
Like Ben Simmons, fell off once he coached
@@troylee4196 Gave most players their first 3-1, 2-0 blown leads
Those teams were fun on offensive, but they were always a step below the truly elite teams in the West. They reminded me of the Harden Rockets. You knew they’d never make the finals, but they’d make the conference finals every so often.
but the thing is that they were the true elites of the west from 2012 to 2015 lol they just simply choked thats it ... they had almost everything needed (maybe weak at the wing ) to win they had great series wins over warriors and spurs in those years they just folded when it mattered and they also was robbed of game 6 against okc they shouldve won that series but other than that they had enough to atleast make it to the finals and play the heat
They actually only came to west finals twice, and once is with Chris paul. Since James harden came to rockets in 2013, his track record is:
2013: first round off
2014: first round off
2015: conference final off
2016: first round off
2017: second round off
2018: conference final off
2019: second round off
2020: second round off
I was a Clippers fan back then and they clearly wasn't elite if you understand basketball. Maybe for casual fans or elite at highlights but that's it. They were never even given main contenders label by any analyst and were rightfully constantly doubted despite their regular season success. They were in position were they needed to earn respect firs. People and teams hated Clippers cause they felt like they are overrated and not that good. They almost proved everyone wrong in 2015 until the disaster happened. Being weak at the wing was also the worst possible position to be weak at as well. Every 2010s winner either had a wing that is top 5 player in the league or had really solid role players wing rotation (Mavericks). Matt Barnes is a great role player but he was the best Clippers ever had and just him wasn't enough, they needed more depth there.@@DGATOR86
BG ✊🏽
CP should’ve relinquished the reigns. As a leader sometimes you take a step back and step in when needed.
Doc...egos will be there, gotta have a coach to get them to play together
Chris Paul and Deron Williams were always in a place the other was supposed to be at that particular moment in time.
what ??? “ the only other team i felt was on our level was the cavs”
What about the 2015-16 warriors that went 73-9 ????????
He actually said "the only other team I felt was on our level that year." The 2015-16 Warriors were the year after.
He was talking about the year before (2014-15)
@@back2back379The year he is talking about Warriors won 67 games. I guess clippers players didn't believe Warriors improved under Kerr.
@@UpShir67 they probably didn’t have their respect yet considering the Clippers had just beaten them in the playoffs the year before. They still looked at the Warriors as just young and upcoming that year. Players just don’t look at regular season win totals, they feel that you need to be proven in the playoffs.
Get blake on an episode asap !
Chris Paul is from Winston Salem Most never heard of it but its a Super Weird Little City!
Nobody was beating a healthy Spurs or OKC team back then with the exception of the Mavs in 2011
Clippers were playing checkers and the Warriors were playing chess.
“I’ve been poor and I’ve been rich. I’ve been fat and I’ve been skinny…and the Clippers have always sucked” - Charles Barkley 😅
Spurs vs Clip 2015 same time as floyd vs pacquiao
CP3 was that team.
It’s very simple why they didn’t win. Cp3s injuries and then this fact here. They had to either face prime KD and Russ, or the prime GSW team. Not to mention you still had the Heatles in Miami at the beginning. So basically they didn’t win bc of curry LeBron and Durant haha
Can we talk Avery Johnson
shows cp really shoulda been on the lakers with kobe 😢
“The only other team that was on our level was the cavs” as the warriors whooped yall ass for 5 straight years 💀💀💀💀
LET'S KEEP IT REAL!!
They kept running into *_🟩LEKRIPTONYTE_*
*🌊 SPLASH BROS*
He and they said it without saying it. Chris Paul was the problem but this shouldn’t surprise anyone.
That’s why cp3 doesn’t have a title. He’s had conflict with teammates everywhere he went.
CP3 is IQ. Blake/ DJ is athleticism ONLY. That’s why they aren’t that good when the athleticism dwindled. Gasol/ Zbo was bussin they ass lol.
The coach is supposed to be the one to fix personality mismatches. This tells me why Doc Rivers can get a team only but so far because there will always be different personalities to manage & he's clearly not good at that. Even his Boston team that won only won because all the guys were on the same page. Doc didn't get them on the same page, they got themselves on the same page. That team had to struggle to win every series in seven games because Doc is a horrible personality manger & game manager. If Paul Pierce, KG & Ray Allen all weren't hungry veterans that team would've lost too. That's why they only won one instead of two rings.
Throughout his career, there’s a lot of CP3 not vibing with people….
Lob city was Special crazy say they never one title.
Blame Doc and Blake.... CP went to the Finals leading a team sooo
Blake shoulda stayed in his lane. CP3 was the veteran, the floor general point guard setting everyone up. Blake must have believed his own hype. He was never a good shooter, but he had hops to get dunks. That's why he's out of the league now, while CP3 is crippling along at close to 40 but teams still want him.
Because their lack of wing players. They should’ve traded Deandre Jordan when he was at his peak.
Kobe and Shaq still won 3 not liking each other. Won 2 while they hated each other. Almost got 4 while Kobe publicly threw Shaq under the bus, saying he paid off women to avoid rape charges. Kobe started hating being in Shaq shadow and being “lil bro’d” by Shaq. The Lakers were Shaq’s team and Kobe hated it. He hated that the team gave all the plays to his fat lazy team mate and they only made him second option. Teammates can win if they don’t like each other, coach is responsible for making the team gel. Kobe never went to team dinners and didn’t even invite teammates to his wedding. He was a total jerk to his teammates. They still won in 01 and 02.
The team was good but it’s not like they were the most talented team. At all.
Doc Rivers as usual
Real reason== OKC and the Spurs was just better. Then when the Warriors came up, they were MUCH better.
Shit even the Grizzlies were as good as LA for a while.
I think CP3 can rub ppl the wrong way bc he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and there’s no one who can tell him he’s not bt there’s also a thing called listening to your teammates and them telling u what they are seein and what coverages are coming and things of tht nature and we also know CP3 is definitely a shit talker and Doc isn’t a coach tht knows how to keep ppl in line and keep it a team he relies upon his leaders and captains to do tht bt when your leaders and captains are arguing what do u think is gonna happen it’s not gonna go well
Like Matt Barnes said, CP was an acquired taste. You wouldnt really like him at the beginning.
They were coached by Vinny Del Negro and Doc Rivers? That should be enough reason
They try to blame it on Doc smh
All this personality stuff I'm sure played a role... but I feel like people overrate the fuck out of those Clipper teams.
They were NEVER the best team in the West.. so idk why people think they were supposed to win.
They had garbage wing play (the most important position at the time), a terrible bench (PLEASE don't talk to me about Jamal Crawford.. entirely overrated gunner that could get you some Sixth Man awards.. but ask him to actually win games and be a plus player on the floor and that's a totally different story).. and they also had TERRIBLE injury luck.
Through the whole Lob City era, they only lost one series to a team they should have beat.. and that was 2015 against Houston (a series where CP missed the start, and played hurt though the rest).
But yeah... there was never a time when they were better than San Antonio, Oklahoma City, and then later Golden State. They were never the best team in the West at any point.
Also, their two star players overlapped in skill.
What made Blake special as a PF, outside of his athleticism, was his ability to run the offense through him... but when your PG is Chris Paul... it doesn't matter how good you are as a Point Forward.. the optimal play 9/10 is still to run the offense through a Top ~5 PG of all time. Any decent GM would have broken up the CP+Blake pairing by 2014, and gotten good wing play instead.. but Doc kept a core together that was never gonna win.
People have finally come around to the fact that Doc has been massively overrated as a coach.. but GM Doc is a whole other level of terrible.
Well you’re wrong about them never being better than Spurs cause they were able to beat the Spurs in a game 7 with a CP game winner in 2015 and that was right after the spurs had won the chip and obliterated the Heat the year before. So the clippers were that good that they were able to beat the defending champs in the first round.
To me the Clippers had all the talent and skills to win but when crunch time came they always chocked or they got injured. They were so many games where CP and Blake just couldn’t deliver when the team needed them the most. Blake never developed an offensive skillset other than lob dunks and fast breaks. When the game slowed down, the paint is clogged and you needed a tough bucket Blake didn’t have the skillset to deliver, CP does but proved he ain’t that guy cause he never delivered. That’s why they got Jamal Crawford cause he’s clutch but he also never delivered when needed in crunch time. You put Kobe, Kawhi, Lebron, Wade, Melo or KD on that team and they win the chip. They needed a star of that level, a closer. And they didn’t.
Later James Harden with cp3, he’s proven that as great as he is offensively he’s not a closer and that’s why they could never get it done. Later CP3 had a closer with Booker but the coach failed in making adjustments for Giannis on that final. And then with KD they just lost to a better team in the Denver nuggets. But CP3 as great as he is, he’s not a closer, he can have moments but he’s not your go to guy for every late game situation.
@@brandonsantiago2298 that's why I said "later Golden State" because I was trying to give a sense of time. Chris Paul got to LA in 2011. The Clippers didn't "surpass" the Spurs until 2015 once SAS got too old. So for the first 3 years, the Clippers were NOT better than San Antonio or OKC.. then for the next couple of years, they were NOT better than Golden State or OKC. There's just no way to argue that even just on paper the Clippers were EVER a Top 2 team in the West. It just was never the case. So all the talk people have about them choking, or not meshing well.. yeah.. there may be *some* truth to it.. but even if they played 100% optimal, they just were never on THAT level regardless.
Everything else you said is kinda trash tbh. Just super basic understanding of the game.
Jamal Crawford throughout his entire career was NEVER the answer to the question "who should we get if we want to win playoff games". He was a chucker off the bench who played zero defense, and had no clue how to run a team offense. Fans love that shit, but it never wins anything.
The whole "they need a star" thing misses it. Notice every player you named there... they were strong WING players. It was the most important position in the league at the time, and the Clips had NOBODY there throughout the entire Lob City run. THAT'S a huge reason why they weren't as good as people acted like they were. They had nobody playing in the most important spot. They didn't need a "star" necessarily. They just needed somebody strong. They coulda had like prime Nic Batum or something in that spot and made it work, but they were running old-ass Grant Hill and Caron Butler and shit. Had Danny Granger playing real minutes at the 3. There's just no way to win like that. And at least if you were gonna have a suboptimal player at the 3, they could have at least been strong defensively. They didn't even have that. They just had absolutely nothing coming from the most important spot on the court.
As for CP.. the biggest reason CP has zero rings is injury luck. If he didn't fuck up his hamstring in 2015, they likely beat that Houston team. He got hurt basically every year after that in LA. In Houston, if he doesn't get hurt, they likely win a ring... in PHX even, if he doesn't get hurt, they stand a much better chance in 2021. And really the biggest problem in Houston was that 'Antoni and Harden were too bought into each other, and would have done better letting CP operate more, instead of playing Harden Ball, which is a volatile style of play.. exactly what you don't want deep in the playoffs.
But yeah.. people spend way too much time going back and forth about a Clipper team that, at their very best, was never better than third best in the conference. They weren't ever supposed to win. GM Doc failed that team so bad.
@@TizOnly1 “super basic understanding of the game” 😂 whatever you say Phil Jackson. James Harden has proven in the playoffs that when he’s most needed he hasn’t delivered. CP has not delivered multiple times in his career when needed as well. Yes, he’s had a lot of injuries that have prevented him from winning like 2018 I believe when they had a 3-2 lead against the KD warriors. Had he not gotten injured they beat the warriors. Yet Harden could not close on either game and having an nba record of 31 straight misses from 3. Then they chocked against a warriors team without KD.
Again Jamal Crawford was not the dude they needed to close, but they got him because of that. Yes, the league turned more guard wise. The (more versatile) big men era is coming back. But you still always need an elite player that can close. The guys I had mentioned were that type of player. CP, Blake, Deandre Jordan, JJ redick, Jamal Crawford, none of them were that type. CP is(was) a complementary superstar player. He can’t be the main dude and win, and when his main star was Harden, Harden didn’t deliver. I blame the 2021 finals in coaching adjustments, and again Denver was just the better team.
You think the Clippers weren’t good enough to beat the top teams and make it to the finals even if they played “100% optimal”. I disagree. I think had they played their best basketball they could’ve definitely beaten anyone and reach the finals if not for injuries, bad coaching at times and their own star players not coming thru when needed. But they had the talent.
@@brandonsantiago2298 please tell me when they were a Top 2 team in the West.
They always had a puncher's chance.. but they were NEVER a Top 2 team in the West, so all the talk about them disappointing is silly.
Chris Paul is the leagues biggest choker in NBA history..... next question
The issue was the Golden State Warriors. Simple 🤷🏾♂️
The one year lob city matched up with GSW, they beat them in a 7 game series wdym?
@@JqlenByeah before coach kerr took over the team and then they ascended into the stratosphere. They wouldn’t have stopped a Kerr led warriors team.
Blake's ego and laziness is why they never want anywhere. DeAndre let Blake drag him down too.
cp somehow makes teams fall apart.
Bruh said the only team more talented was the cavs lol how funny considering the warriors owned the clippers the entire decade he needs to let that salt out his tank
I'll take the clippers team with catino mobley and sam Cassell over lob city
Clippers GOAT #32
Team should be called the "LA BUSTERS"
The reason clippers fail due to steph curry's greatness
Everybody want to blame Doc. There are some things out of a coach's control.
Because Doc Rivers
Blake was one of my favorite clippers ever names my 13 year old son after him
Lmaoooo
A lot of cp3 teammates didn’t like him 😂
People need to get with the reality that CHRIS PAUL WAS NEVER THAT GOOD
blame cp3
They under achieved because JJ Reddick was their 2 guard. Stop Mr Jones
injuries and Doc.......
Chris Paul is a team killer
They was suppose to win one
In hindsight, Doc Rivers was the worst coach for that team
Doc Rivers
jesus christ he was barely on the team