How Kevin Garnett & Chris Paul Were Almost Lakers With Kobe
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2024
- Brian Shaw reveals how the Lakers almost signed Kevin Garnett and explains what happened during the CP3 veto trade.
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Gilbert actually talked about this, he said Mark Cuban ran the numbers and the lakers would have been able to sign another max player potentially two in addition to paul basically lakers woulda ran the league for 6 plus years if the trade went through
Yeah I saw that. And what he said makes sense. Because in hindsight, a CP3 trade alone back then wouldn't have guaranteed Kobe another ring as some people think. That trade alone shouldn't have warranted the NBA going crazy to not make it happen. Kobe + CP in my opinion isn't a juggernaut. BUT Kobe + CP3 + 2 more active superstars? Heck yeah.
Would have been the second coming of the Dynasty after shaq. Kobe should of had 7 rings man at the least
All I hear is the NBA punishing the Lakers for being a well run Franchise.
40 mil+ in cap space....and the potential to sign two more players after CP3 trade
Gilbert was talking out of his ass. He was literally making up stuff
They stop kobe from becoming the greatest and stop cp3 from getting a ring
Even if Kobe had seven championships, he still wouldn’t be a top five players of all time he’s not that guy he got carried by Shaquille O’Neal for the first half of his career
@4ktkaram395 just curious what have you achieved in your life so far
You sound dumb @@4ktkaram395
@@Doggomorph Please thats such a bogus argument. While kobe is one of the greats his finals performances are high volume low efficiency for the most part.
@@cognitivedisability9864 huh simi lan jiao
Andrew Bynum was the rumored centerpiece of the Lakers offer for KG.
KG speaks on this in one of his episodes ! He tells the story of how Kobe was in China when he was deciding were to go next and Kobe took to long to respond back and KG had to make a decision.
Kobe knew if he won with KG haters would just say he needed another elite big men to win a championship. That's why he didn't respond
@@Chill_BrillBullshit, I doubt it’s that simple.
@@2H2521 KG said himself that's why he thinks Kobe didn't respond to the call...Go watch the video when KG and Paul Pierce visited the HOF
@@Chill_Brill KG was a great basketball player but dude is illiterate. That's not what he meant.
@@Chill_Brill Better it worked out that way. Garnett took a knee injury in 2009. Gasol was healthier throughout that 2008-2010 run
KG and Kobe on the same team would have been the most insane shit lol. Kobe had no filter and ive seen KG go nuts for no reason on his podcast
Nah man KG was a dawg on the court that teams energy would have been so crazy
Kobe and kg would have a 3 peat under their belt
That KG trade would have been back in like 2007. Thinking back to the NBA landscape back then barring injuries only the Pistons and Spurs would have stood in the way of Kob and KG complete domination and I don't think any of those teams could have stopped it. That CP3 trade happened after the Lakers got swept by the Mavs 2011. Trade sent Pau to the Rockets and L.O to the Mavs and the Lakers got CP3. If that goes through I think we finally get that Kobe Lebron Finals. Again it wasn't meant to be.
Lbj should've got there in 09 & 2010 when he had 66 & 61 win teams.
Pau was way better than KG at this time.
@@onlyfacts3178 Way better are you kidding me. Pau couldn't even win a playoff game back then. Kobe made Pau a H.O.Famer. Factz. Meanwhile KG had already been the league MVP. You obviously don't know basketball. Btw I was already in my mid 20 back in 2007 so I don't need youtube to revisit those days. I lived through it.
@@onlyfacts3178At no point in Pau’s career was he ever better than KG🤣🤣🤣
Damn ☹️ would have been legendary
Kobe and KG on the same team would have been exciting to watch.
I think its a blessing it didnt happen, because it cemented his legendary career leading that lakers team to a back to back championship.
Kg and kobe is a 3 peat my G, no 3 headed(4 if u include rondo) monster standing in their way
Rob D is on his way to the league. Super cold
I would have loved David West with the Lakers also. Another rough rider the type Kobe loved to play with. Him and Artest would of been bullies 😂
It wasn’t David Stern. It was Dan Gilbert and Mark Cuban
They didn't want kobe to surpass jordan in rings and also blite fake bron to come off age the system kobe was fighting the system of the nba
Stay off dah weeeeed!
I didn't want Kobe to surpass MJ in rings,his head was big enough already.
Yup. That's why he got cheated out of multiple MVPs also.
@@melvinhhcp3615how you getting cheated out of MVPS when you’re not in the top 3 or 4 seed lol
@@lorddj9910 Explain how Russ got his MVP after Kobe, as a 6th seed.
Now I’m mad i know this 😂😂😂
wish they can talk about PG13 and the past potential of going to the lakers. Al a laker fan that was my dream that summer, glad he's here in LA though. Hopefully the Clips can get a chip this season!
& BUDDY PAUL GEORGE YOU NEED TO STEP IT UP COME PLAY OFF TIME NO CAPPING
Kobe and KG would've been insane
Kobe, Chris, and Kevin. All dogs. All first ballot Hall of Famers. In their prime at the time. That would have been the first 82-0 regular season, going into sweeps all the way to a chip. And then a couple more. Ah, well. Such is life.
WOW
Imagine KG Kobe and Chris Paul on the same team the more he speaks about it, the more I start to remember things about that era basketball wow that would have been the first big three instead of the Celtics with Alan KG and Pierce amazin
Kobe and CP3 have the most or tied for the most All-Defensive selections of all time for their positions. KG is top 3 all-time in All-Defensive selections, but behind Duncan in his own position. If that trio was together at once, it would've definitely been crazy.
Although, it's not clear that Shaw is claiming that the Lakers would've brought both in together. These may have been two separate moves that each used some overlapping trade pieces.
The NBA work stoppage was resolved in early December 2011. Both sides agreed to season start on Christmas Day, the All-Star Game in late February, and the Playoffs begin in late April 2012. One negative result would be a 66-game season with a larger percentage of back-to-backs than usual. Another negative result was the short free agency period between 8-18 December 2011 would shorten deal-making time.
In 2010-11 Season-end, Kobe Bryant was 1st Team All-NBA. Pau Gasol was 2nd Team All-NBA. Lamar Odom was 6th Man-of-Year. Entering 2011-12 Season, age 24 Andrew Bynum was an emerging All-Star Center. Age 32 Metta World Peace was still a good Defensive Small Forward who could make crucial shots in the Playoffs. The Lakers had a solid veteran bench.
Chris Paul (CP3) indicated to the Hornets GM that he would likely leave as a free agent after 2011-12 Season. When a Star informs his team a year in advance of his unrestricted free agency, they gamble that they can improve the team enough to convince him to stay OR they trade him for the best possible collection of rebuilding assets.
On 7 December 2011, the Heat, followed by the Lakers, were named NBA Finals favorites by Las Vegas oddsmakers.
Since the New Orleans Hornets had a lousy ownership situation, one of the lowest per capita incomes of any NBA city, and one of the lowest fan attendance rates, the team would not exceed the Luxury Cap to sign free agents.
Everyone knew that New Orleans was not a good free agent destination. Furthermore, age 31 free agent PF David West was healthy again and waiting to see where his Hornet teammate CP3 would be traded before choosing where to sign before 2011-12 Season-start.
On 8 December, a 3-way trade involving the Lakers, Hornets, and Rockets sent out Pau Gasol & Lamar Odom for CP3 and left about $10 million in Laker cap space. Chip-hungry David West would most likely sign with the Kobe-CP3-Bynum-Metta Lakers and the Lakers could pay his market rate salary of $10m/year.
Immediately after the NBA trade notice, Las Vegas sports books favored the Lakers to win the Chip.
By definition, the Lakers, Rockets, and Hornets approved the trade. The Heat, satisfied with their LeBron-Wade-Bosh super team were unlikely to object to the trade.
The Spurs, who had 4 Finals & 4 Chips between 1999-2007, were still an elite team led by Duncan, Parker & Ginobili. The Celtics were still an elite team led by Pierce , Garnett, Ray Allen, and Rondo. Both were attractive free agent destinations with no reason to object to the CP3-Lakers trade.
Fearing multiple Lakers Finals & Chips again, however, a majority of team owners pushed Commissioner Stern to immediately cancel the trade for “Undefined Basketball Reasons.”
When a player is traded, a GM no longer believes he improves their Chip chances. The canceled trade deeply hurt Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol. After the trade was canceled, Lamar refused to return to the Lakers. Lamar forced them to trade him on 11 December for next season’s draft assets. As a result, the Lakers were no longer an NBA Finals favorite.
The canceled trade forced Pau to return to a Team GM he no longer respected. We know this is true because later in 2011-12 Season the Lakers offered age 31 Pau a contract extension with a No-Trade Clause and more money than any other team could offer. He would not sign the extension and looked listless at times on the court. Pau left in 2014 free agency.
Once CP3 was traded to the Clippers, who had PF Blake Griffin in his prime, David West took the best offer on the table to remain a Starting PF. He signed with the Pacers for $10M/year on 18 December and became their starting PF.
Another fall-out of the canceled trade conditions that influenced Kobe to play hurt. sooner than he should have. Kobe tore a wrist ligament on his shooting hand 6 days before 2011-12 Season start on 25 December. Doctors preferred that Kobe get surgery and let it heal before returning to play after 8-10 weeks. A non-surgical alternative that doctors would accept was to let the wrist ligament heal for 3-6 weeks without playing.
Kobe missed the 2005 Playoffs. He was determined not to miss them again. So he took injections to play the first 56 games of 2011-12 Season.
Doctors finally convinced Kobe to rest 7 games (games 57-63), before playing 2 more (games 64-65) in the season. Since Kobe valued Playoff health more than another PPG title, he DNP Rested the last game, allowing Kevin Durant to win the PPG title.
Despite a “Less Than” Pau Gasol and no replacement for Lamar Odom that season, injured Kobe averaged 39 MPG leading the team to 41 wins in 66 games. That was remarkable because the Lakers exceeded 36 wins in the revision projected by Las Vegas bookies after Lamar’s forced exit from the Lakers and Kobe’s wrist injury.
In the Lakers’ 2012 Semi-Finals loss to OKC Thunder, Pau underperformed and journeyman starting Point Guard Ramon Sessions was overmatched. The Lakers Playoffs ended as expected on 21 May 2012.
The Should-Have-Been Lakers would have gone to the 2012 Finals and most likely won.
But they let LeBron, pick whoever you wanna pick
Factz. It's sad. Plus he has an active sports agency. His level of cheating is unparalleled.
How?
Yall just believe anything. If that’s the case, why did Westbrook end up playing with LeBron?
1:32 Paul George wasn’t no damn kid when that Chris Paul trade was about to go down. Dude was already in the league when that happened. Pretty sure it was his rookie year or around that time.
I mean he wasn't a _little kid_ , but barely 21 is definitely still a kid in grand scheme of things even if you're a professional athlete.
Kevin McHale was GM of Minnesota at the time. There's no way in hell he was trading KG to the Lakers, especially with Boston available as a trade option.
The timeline on this is way off. A potential Garnett trade would have been in the summer of 2007 and the CP3 ordeal didn’t happen until December of 2011
What’s off about that? He said they didn’t get KG and got Pau instead and then they started talking about the CP3 trade. He’s not saying it was around the same time
Correct, timeline and trade details were off
I’m going to order a Lakers #21 Garnett jersey off the STRENGTH
🤡
Every once in a while, I'll be chillin having a great day, and I randomly remember that David Stern blocked that CP trade and I get angry all over again! And Shaw was a little fuzzy on the details, but that trade happened AFTER they won the 2010 finals; this would've put Kobe in contention for 6 or 7 easy. Also there would have been NO chance Phil would get dissed by Jim Buss like he did with this kind of squad on hand, so you wouldn't have had D'Antoni out here running his stupid 7 seconds offense all year and Kobe probably avoids that achilles tear lol I blame him for that haha
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It worked out for both players for Kobe and KG
Am i theonly one tired of forgetting to skip the damn prize picks script at the end 😅
I wonder if the lakers could have taken stern or even the nba to court for that veto
Y’all should stop the Prize pick ads on these short videos and just make them UA-cam shorts without the ad. Ads are annoying especially on shorter videos. Just make a long UA-cam short lmao
Gil brought this up as well, that Mark Cuban said the money didnt add up, LAL was going to be able to add another max player in 2 years after that trade and who was hitting free agency? LBJ
Pau for Kwayme was just 3 first rounds and the players to match the salaries
I greatly and sincerely appreciate P’s interviewing skills in moments like this, as he absolutely already knew the inner workings of the CP veto but let B-Shaw tell it from a directly “THERE” perspective 🫡🤙🏾
@theregoesmiller389 I heard the same. My belief is that Kobe wanted help but didn't want to create a superteam. So took stars as opposed to superstars. A Kobe - KG and god forbid CP3, would have been a disaster for the league.
I think there was a scandal in New Orleans as to why the former owners lost the franchise
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B-Shaw got it wrong! KG wanted a trade and obviously pairing up with Kobe was priority numero uno, for Kevin in 2007, but we didn't have the pieces Minnesota wanted for KG! Chris Paul wanted out of New Orleans around 2011 or 2012 we ended up with Steve Nash and Dwight Howard, Paul would've been great as he was prime CP3, but the Clippers got him!!
nba was just hating on kobe and didnt want him to dominate the league
Damn I wasnt even on the Lakers and I know the trade better than B Shaw. CP3 was going to the lakers, Pau was going to the Rockets and Lamar was going to NO and the Rockets were going to give up Scola and some pieces to NO to make room for Pau salary.
CP3 trade was vetoed because Kobe was at 5 chips and was never gonna be allowed to get too far ahead of Lebron. Also tying or passing MJ at 6. You know what that means.
They are still trying so hard to help LeBron pass Kobe now and its killing the league.
Man... if kobe and gasol was a great one.. imagine kobe and KG... even better
You know they couldn't give kobe that much firepower to play with he woulda passed up m.j. and then some
This has been well documented….why Paul George acting like he doesn’t know 😂
Stern had to veto it as the owner of the Hornets
I'm probably the only one agreeing with Stern decision. Lakers had enough favors and Chris Paul and Kobe wouldn't have worked out anyway.
Gilbert Arenas was right. David Stern vetoed his own trade lol
KG and Kobe 3 peat 2007-2010. D Fish was good enough, lakers didn’t need Cp3
Kg Kobe and cp3 wouldn’t have played together on the same team tho
NBA and league made sure Kobe didn't get past MJ or match MJ when their homeboy Lebron had 0
Can Kobe get as many FMVP as LeBron first? How many times was LeBron the 2nd best player on his team? How many times was Kobe? I found you giri, your best bet is to block me 👀
KG had the option of LA or Boston bc he had a no trade clause. KG CHOSE Boston between the two. CP3 was turned down by the league. I remember these days clearly. I remember commercials trying to recruit KG.
Gasol more skilled then garnett
The Lakers won back to back then this trade came up is why it got vetoed
Davis stern was a Weasle
We know the league hates the lakers and that CP3 veto proves it
Why even tell the story if you don’t remember
I wish Stearn was still commissioner. The league has been on a downward spiral since.
Kobe/CP3/KG/David West? Thats 2 or 3 rings easy
If CP3 wasnt veto by Stern Kobe would have 2 more chips easy
The lakers would’ve lost odom and Pau gasol. Two key players for those championships so I don’t see them winning with CP3 due to the lack of interior presence as a result
@pallani8471 Bruh they winning multiple chips they never lost a Allstar Game together David Stern saw the future that's why he Vetoed it Duh
@@lamar1990lg the all star game my guy? Lol, not a great example. The league owned the team at the time and were trying to market the franchise. Getting rid of their own star player wouldn’t have been a step in the right direction for them
CP3 went to a big market anyway AND they got a worse deal from the Clippers 😂
0:58 that Chris Paul situation still bothers me till this day. Absolute BS tbh. Just some hating sht on sterns part
casuals in the comments saying shaq carried kobe meanwhile kobe finished with more rings than shaq 🤣
Mark cuban stopped co3 not David stern
Why wouldn’t stern want cp3 to the lakers the lakers win the nba is making money
If they got kg in 08 they would’ve 3 peated possible could’ve got 4 in a row if they got cp3 they could’ve got one more n kobe wouldn’t have tore his Achilles
Get that photoshop of KG in a Laker jersey tfoh that sh*t looks horrendous lol
This is how you know they hated Kobe. Lebron wade bosh and all these players could play in the same team garnet Paul Allen could as well but not Kobe cp3 and garnet couldn’t play??? Haters they never liked that man
Nah they were all free agents at that time so that is different.
Kobe could of had KG, Cp3 or Melo. 😭😢
Stern biggest gangster
FIRST OF ALL KEVIN MCHALE WAS NOT GOING TO DO A DEAL W/ THE LAKERS AS GM FOR THE WOLVES MCHALE IS A CELTICS GREAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO TREAD GARNETT FROM THE WOLVES TO THE LAKERS HELL NO
For people that dont understand why the trade was declined by Stern. The NBA owned the Hornets at the time amd was trying to sell it. CP3 was a up and coming star. He was the face of the team. The trade that was offered was the Hornets would get Pau who was on a expring contract. If you trying to sell a team the last thing you want to do is trade your main star for a aging player on a expiring contract that is not going to resign. It had nothing with them hating on Kobe. It was not a business move!!!
it was a 3 team trade - The details of a three-team trade are as follows: Paul to the Lakers, Odom, Kevin Martin and Luis Scola to New Orleans, and Pau Gasol to the Rockets.
MCHALE WOULD NEVER HELP THE LAKERS OUT & WIN CHAMPIONSHIP PLEASE TREADING GARNETT FROM THE WOLVES TO THE LAKERS IT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ON KEVIN MCHALE WATCH
Kobe still got to keep Pau who'd have been gone in the CP3 trade, and they ended up with Dwight and Steve Nash. So he still got his superteam.
Steve Nash 😂 was old and not the same Dwight was hurt not close to a super team
@@tellymcneal2743 get out of here dude if Bron played with them they’d be a super team 1000% 🤦♂️ Jesus if Bron just played with Nash and Pau they’d probably be called a superteam 😂 Nash was old but Nash was always old. No one even cared about him when he was young. He led the league in assists and basically shot 50/40/90 the year before he joined the Lakers ffs so it’s not like he was old Vince Carter or anything 🤦♂️ and Dwight was the best big man in the league by far 😂 in fact the second best big man in the league was probably Bynum who they traded for Dwight. and they still had Pau, Artest and Kobe and that ain’t a super team? 🤦♂️ even the Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton team was a super team. Yeah Malone and Payton were old but they still both put up 20ppg the previous season and were joining a team that threepeted. So Kobe has had numerous superteams it’s just no one talks about them because they lost 👌
@SonnyK248 ain't no get out of here.....Nash AND DWIGHT were hurt, they weren't healthy like carmelo,westbrook,Anthony davis,rondo. Lebron fans really kiss his soft ass
@@jt9172 You don't get to make excuses for being hurt pal Lebron couldn't have any excuses in 2015. He just lost with a superteam 😂 I'm not even disagreeing with you that 2020 Rondo or 2022 Carmelo Anthony makes a team a superteam. But if that is true and you seem to think so then of course those Kobe teams were superteams 😂😂😂 How can you even deny it?
Pau Gasol WAS NOT a superstar player. 🤦🤦🤦
KG would have been cancer for the lakers
The league helped lebron get rings with the CBA. NBA STOPPED kobe from getting more rings
If that’s the case then explain the KD trade to golden state. The NBA stopped LeBron from having the same amount of rings as MJ
@@pallani8471 How does that comparison work? The nba literally vetoed a trade that would help Kobe. The nba did not intervene to stop lebron.
@@Anchor7the NBA did absolutely nothing to stop another top 3 player in the world from joining the 73-9 warriors that had back to back finals appearances. LeBron doesn’t have the power of getting who he wants, this was confirmed by cavs management. You think he wanted Westbrook to the lakers? In regards to Kobe, the NBA owned the hornets at the time and didn’t want to get rid of their star player for their team, it had nothing to do with Kobe
@@pallani8471 Cuban admitted it had everything to do with Kobe AND the Lakers. (cuban led the way to push for a veto) Because after getting CP3 they had the cap space to sign two more guys that were all star caliber players. Also, the lakers wanted deRozan and bron pushed for westbrook. He wanted a ball handler. This isnt some secret.
@@Anchor7 LeBron pushed for Westbrook? I haven’t seen light of that before. And the league owned Charlotte’s team at the time. Any additional salary the team takes back would mean the league would have to pay that higher salary. They were trying their best to sell the team, and having a luxury tax team with veteran players who wouldn’t sell tickets wasn’t the best idea. I never heard any mentions of Kobe during that time. And let’s say the lakers do acquire CP3, they’ve now lost Gasol and Odom who were crucial for the inside presence of the championship teams for the lakers
People thinking this would work are clearly kids who think this is a PlayStation game.
KG wasnt better than Gasol at this time and he wasnt even close.
L.Odom was a perfect fit 6,10ft SF/PF who didnt need to shoot the ball 20 times and have the ball on his hands, unlike CP3 who needed thr ball .
Who cares. Kobe got swept by jj barea 😂😂😂😂😂 goat convo over right
You ain’t never lie😂😂
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The Lakers need to be bad for like 10 years so Laker fans can understand how most fanbases have felt for ages.
Nah keep dreaming
We still got 17 banners & several statues outside of Staples Center. If you ever visit here, you should walk in & let the franchise history sink in... Lakers & Sparks on one side. L.A. Kings on the other. We are a championship city. That's what we do! 🙂
Ain't no way they would have let KG play with Kobe LOL 🤣
Chris Paul wasn't even that bad tbh, not sure why that was worth blocking. The Pau for Kwame trade tho…
There was always some underbelly of the story as to why the league didn’t want CP3 and Kobe playing together. It’s possible MJ didn’t want Kobe to surpass his titles and, well he does have pull in the league. Just a hunch. But I always wondered what the deal really was.
@@Dan-dl7tzlmao that most definitely wasn't it 😂😂😂
KG was about to go but Boston had the better trade package and sent half the team to Minnesota for him
Bean and KG on the same team.. They win 4 rings 💯
@@Dan-dl7tzMJ had nothing to do with the Laker CP3 deal. That was all Stern & the various NBA owners that wrote letters in outrage.
If you have Chris Paul, you never win a championship.
He def wins with Kobe, Phil, and DFish. No doubt about it.
KG only got 1, with Pau you got 2 i know your athletes but 2 is more than 1