@@TheRemnantRadio well, just the main ones, if you just look at the main theological strands that there are, there are just 6 or 7 (like Baptist, Presbiterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Anglican, Pentecostal and everything in between)
Not a member of the AG however, member of an independent Pentecostal church and our aspirations concur with yours. Love the Lord and live according to His Word and will. 😀
My great great aunt was one of the first A.G. missionaries to Tokyo Japan in the early 1900s. Her name was Esther Kelchner Juergenson. She married the Juergenson's son and is buried there in Tokyo. My great grandpa(a brother of Esther) was H.B. Kelchner. He wrote the book "Living Your Christian Life Now in the Light of Eternity". He was an evangelist in the 60s early 70s. And also, my grandparents are retired, yet still working for the church, A.G. pastors for the past 50+ years.
I would have liked for him to talk about how the founders were mostly ministers ordained in the Church of God in Christ and the reason(s) why they decided to break away from it.
This right here!! I clicked on this video to see if he was gonna be truthful about the origin or gonna ignore that the AOG split from the COGIC because of a bunch of racists who did not want to be with blacks.
@@ihaveavintageheart that was 100 years ago. AOG is no longer racist, so what would be the point of bringing that up? I'm 66, and grew up in the AOG, not once have I seen any racism in the churches I grew up in or visited. So, at this point in time, it is a moot point. Not saying it was ok back then, it wasn't, but it's not something to get your panties in a bunch over any more.
@@terridickerson5294 Because no matter how pretty or ugly history is, its history and you cant just whitewash it. Thats like saying you can erase slavery from the USA history because you did not experience it and it was a long time ago. To not even mention that AOG was part of the COGIC is leaving out a crucial part of how it even started in the first place.
I really do hope the AG begins to fall more in love with theology. I went to their general conference last year, and there was no discussion of doctrine. I pray that begins to change
Seems like they are more interested in pragmatism and whatever fills the seats. I grew up AG and my parents pastor an AG church. So sad to see what is happening in the area they are affiliated with. There is no discernment in relation to doctrine and theology. This is partly what led me to dig deeper and eventually become more reformed and amillennial, though I'm still a continuationist.
@@GabrielMartinez-su8di it's what caused me to leave too. Along with the fact that I've realized that I was raised inside of the prosperity gospel movement, and I have been to so many AG churches in my life. It's gotta be a problem with the system, not just my few churches
As an individual who has grown up AG (and still serves and attends today), it's refreshing to hear a little rebuttal in regards to some of the core beliefs that often turn people away from the denomination (such as tongues, and end time beliefs). I ALSO would be curious to see where AG would be today if they changed the verbiage to "a" vs "the". I love AG for a lot of reasons, my only "eh" with them is their thoughts and emphasis on tongues which almost creates or separates the church into the haves and the have-nots. Mature christians and christians who haven't "tapped in to the power yet". I think that emphasis is their biggest flaw and I know a lot of people who have been hurt from this. Other than that, I find myself in agreeing with most of AG's beliefs compared to other denominations.
He actually was used by God to start a magazine and he was the one early A/G leader that opposed the miss use of water baptism using a formula of Jesus name. He understood the Bible and that in Acts Luke was speaking of salvation and not water baptism having to follow a formula. Smart man used of God to stop Satan from ruining the Pentecostal revival. Some still followed the oneness false doctrines.
I am really happy about your ministry. I hope that. You can be used to bring the body of Christ together . My heart grieves when the body of Christ fights about unessasary things. Sis Becca
This is so helpful!!!! Would love a history of Church of God and Nazarenes next! Love ya edifying the Body from Texas. I'm from Lubbock so y'all definitely had the Holy Spirit moving when y'all came back on us in football lol
Thank you for this video. I have been raised AG and even went to SAGU (years back). But hearing about our history again was great. Especially helped hearing about the diversity of each AG church. When looking to be an associate minister in a new church they are vastly different and your talk help give understanding to the diversity of each church.
Part of what Drew me to the assemblies of God is that I grew up as a Baptist and the Baptist churches. I went to were very big on the Bible. I went to an assembly of God Bible school anyways this is reminding me of some of the history of the Pentecostal movementclass I had in Bible school. Thank you for the review.
I am an Assemblies of God pastor and we have been doing Oktoberfest for 10 years… I’m in Portland Oregon, so that may explain a little bit as well. We have several microbrewery owners at our church and we make root beer specifically for Oktoberfest every year… I love being in the AG
wow, well said. I grew up baptist/non-denominational, and Ive just started dating a catholic, and I just started attending a non-denominational/first assembly church. So this was very helpful, and I just love learning the history of the church which we never talk about.
I found it interesting that racial divisions occurred during the early years of Assemblies of God before 1914. After Azusa, The Pentecostal church known as The Church of God in Christ was a interracial group, black and white Christians united together 1907. During the times of racial controversy they split and formed Assemblies of God. Tell the whole story
They won't any documentary about their history they never acknowledge that their denomination was born out of COGIC And it was because they didn't want to be under a black leader
I've never heard of this. I was saved in an Assembly of God. But not currently attending one. I have no problem as a white person attending Church with minorities. But I've seen the Church of God that I attended for years, have churches in the denomination that were all black or Hispanic, But not alot that are of different races. I've never understood why it's that way. It's like segregation in the church.
Wow! I so love this...to date, one of the best ones I’ve seen(just my opinion). I love and appreciate all y’all are doing out there...thanks Josh and that gentleman/brother that is speaking!
6:40 All Christianity was formed in Israel, the Mideast. Europeans altered it to fit personal beliefs. Also, there are Christian veins all over the world, still existing.
My mother wanted to make sure I pointed out that I misspoke at the start and said I got a masters at Austin Presbyterian Seminary when really it was a doctorate in historical theology. She doesn’t want to get cheated out of having a doctor son I think. 😂
I was born and raised in the AG. It’s important to do a large and thorough research of the roots, beginnings and look at the personal lives of the movers and shakers within the movement. You will be shocked. It will take courage to do this, but if you do, it open your eyes, and make you decide if you allegiance is to the LORD or is it to a movement. I was a licensed minister within the AG and had enough schooling to be ordained. Please do your homework. You will know the truth and it will set you free.
the split with the assemblies of God and Church of God came over sanctification, progressive/instantaneous sanctification that was what caused the split, people it is not one or the other it is BOTH.
I was saved in an Assembly of God Church. It was the most awesome day of my life. I was saved in 1979. Have been baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I grewup in a church that did not believe in the gifts of the Spirit. So I am pentecostal through and through. I don't currently attend one, but have in the past.
I was baptized in an Assemblies of God church. It was a Sunday night in January 1998 when they had Sunday evening services. It had Sunday evening services till 2018. I didn’t attend an Assemblies of God church after late 1998.
It is both. Some people in modern times have been given an actual language in tongues and the bystanders usually said it was,praise to God. My spirit talking in tongues that sounds gibberish also occurs. God can do what He wants@@robinchevrier497
great conversation about the AG! Really loved it. Sadly there's not a lot here on UA-cam about the AG but i wonder if some of that is because we are so diverse as ya'll just said.
Wow growing up AG - this was incredibly interesting.. always wondered where did this come from, many of the big AG pastors, how did these character types come to be .. very well done
For the last 10-12 years of my 42 as a believer, I've attended AG churches. Invariably my experience has been far less than rewarding. No teaching, none. Simply "prayer and share." It is as though the spirit of Socrates has possessed the place: district sends out "questions for discussion" and the sheep begin bleeting. "Well sister Snodgrass what do you "think/feel" this passage is saying?" My most recent pastor remarked, "well, I stay on a basic level and try not to wander to deeply theologically, because few of the members here are on that level..." Sir, that is what teaching is all about. The "worship" service invariably is a repetition of one or three very simplistic "experience-related" lullabies, sung over and over and over and over again. Yep, I'm outta' here.
I went to Assemblies of God Churches for about 4 years. I don't remember that they were very big on doctrine. I left and eventually went to a Church where the Pastor had been ordained by the Assemblies of God in Canada. They (at that time) had a Bible College inside the Church. (which was handy).
At the first Assemblies of God Church I went to, my "spiritual mother" had gone to Bible College. This must have been around the 1950's as she was kind of elderly. I think she might have had a "call" on her life, but they didn't ordain women in those days (that I know of). She was really pushy. (God bless her). So, instead of ordaining her, they made her a professional "Exhorter." She could do just about everything a Pastor could do, but they just called her something different, so they wouldn't go against the Scripture that says: Women can't TEACH men. (But they can EXHORT, which is basically the same thing). I thought this was a little strange. This was in 1969.
Some of them have gone back a way like that. I listen to Rodney Howard Browne, whom some if not many Assembly of God have in the past or still do look down upon. But ironically enough, the very things that Rodneys church has probably resembles Azusa street more than most Assembly of God churches have today which is sad. The a/g people to have rotten tomato’s thrown at them (so I heard in the past),for being Pentecostal . Now they are the ones throwing rotten tomatoes at rodney Howard Browne. Not all AG,THOUGH. I AM A GRADUATE OF AG BIBLE SCHOOL AND LOVE THEM BUT THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS,
I like the way the assemblies has the churches set up. In the Church of God, they own the church. You can't pull a local church out of the denomination. Also, the head can appoint your pastor, and unless he does something really sinful you can be stuck with him. The church members don't have much of a say, although their tithes support the church and pay the pastors salary. There is also way to much politics in alot of denominations.
This was a fascinating interview. I grew up in the UPC tradition so I have heard this history but from the other perspective. I now attend a Southern Baptist seminary though my theology is definitely more charismatic than SBC.
I believe in the 16 Fundamentals, except I don't believe that speaking in tongues is the ONLY INITIAL evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I believe it is AN evidence...When I went to their Church in 1969, I did not speak in tongues, but they let me be water baptized. I don't remember if they asked me or not. I was young, a new Christian, and I didn't understand "Pentecostal stuff" at that time...
If you really want to push the envelope you should do a podcast with Jay Dyer who used to be a Protestant and became Orthodox. Check out Jay Dyer's video on Protestantism and Evangelicalism Refuted. Not very many Protestants want to talk to Jay Dyer. He's an expert on church history and patristics.
Jesus has given me the gift of Teaching and evangelism or evangelist. Through my Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I am Hispanic and Portuguese and speak non of them but English. Yet I do not speak in a language different from English. I do pray in my closest in secret in tongues. Just as scripture says. And not all the time, but as the spirit moves.
I know this is a couple years old but I really appreciated this video. I would love to have heard more on the view of women in ministry and how that is playing out in AG right now, especially with female lead pastors/elders
Only people born in the 70s and 80s will catch the facts of life reference. You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have The facts of life, the facts of life looool
Brother, If your going to talk about AOG then you definitely need to talk about COGIC “Church of God in Christ and if you study 📚 your history we should all know that AOG came out of COGIC. Please include that in your next video. Thank you 🙏🏾.
I'm only 30 minutes in but I find it VERY disheartening when for whatever reason people don't tell the FULL HISTORY of the AoG, the good and bad. The Azusa revival occurred in 1906 and the assemblies of God formed in 1914. What happened in between those years? Those white ministers who went on to form the AoG in 1914 were apart of another Pentecostal Holiness group called the Churches of God in Christ lead by a black man Charles Harrison Mason. They were licensed and ordained by this black former slave and sat under his leadership until racial tension in the south caused them to not want to be under a black leader and worship with other black people, that is why the white ministers left he Church of God in Christ and met in Arkansas in 1914 to form a segregated group called the AoG. Charles Mason who had once lead this group traveled to Arkansas and despite the racial division that caused the white ministers to break away from his group he blessed them and their movement and even licensed some more of the white ministers so that they could license more white ministers, because his focus was getting the message of holiness and Pentecostalism out to the world. You can't mention AoG history without mentioning Church of God in Christ and Bishop Charles Mason
The sad thing is that you don't have to go all the way into modalism to affirm baptism in Jesus' name. If they had left it there, then we could still have fellowship, but they put themselves outside of orthodoxy and rendered fellowship impossible.
I currently attend am AG church and i grew up in one. I dont live everything about my church or what I've heard about things at the leadership levels above a pastor, however i dont know of a single major problem i know of that would make me want to leave. Im looking forward to hearing this as i do not know the history at all.
I totally agree that if you are a "Pentecostal Church", a Pastor must be filled with the Holy Spirit. If not your church can turn from a Pentecostal Church that has the gift of the Spirit operating, to a non Pentecostal Church.
This episode made me laugh out loud! It's a good thing I wasn't drinking something when he gave his "money and honeys" comment. It'd of come out my mouth...and nose! I may have to visit a couple of AoG churches sometime.
Currently I'm converting to Eastern Orthodoxy but i did grow up AG. I knew all the Azusa stuff but the schism stuff was new to me and pretty interesting! Thanks for the video!
I grew up Methodist, attended an Assembly of God church, for four years at their Bible college in Springfield, then became Greek orthodox for 25 years. We still are, but I just love Rodney Howard Browne on UA-cam and Heidi baker. I guess I came full circle and enjoy them all.
I meant to say I went to cbc in Springfield, mo for four years and graduated from there. I think the Azusa street revival is what began this countries 19th and 20th centuries’ religious life..
Man’s way is not God’s way. No such thing as a self claim, man man movement. One Lord, one Faith, one Baptism, Not everyone who say Lord! Lord! Will enter the Kingdom of God. And by the way AG, man who found this movement can change it to his way. The AG leadership is 85% white and the rest has to fit in we’re we can
Someday soon... I'm gonna know the answer to this question, but NOT yet. Nor does anybody else, truth be told. But I don't REALLY care right now, you know. I'm just working on making disciples and loving Him.
We speak of nothing of Evangelism in our assembly. I bring up discipleship. And counting the cost and Sunday school teacher shunned me. They ask me not to bring up the Scripture's that deal with, Jesus saying not everyone who says Lord Lord. They say don't speak of those Scripture's.
When my AG church split when I was in jr high it was over the pastor’s affair. I’ve also heard of them splitting over the color of carpet. I didn’t even realize some people didn’t believe in the Trinity until I was much older. And I never saw a trace of Arianism.
Terima kasih atas penjelasan sejarah gereja assembly of god. saya pendeta gereja sidang jemaat Allah (assembly of god) di Samosir island Sumatra Utara Indonesia.
@@nickspitzley8539The passages in I Corinthians passages clearly describes the public gifts of the Spirit and not the initial Baptism. In spite of the insistence of some at least 3 passages indicate tongues as the evidence of that experience. Paul covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues. It is people like the above commenter who twist the scripture and omit verses that go against their ideas.
The pentecostal movement formed primarily through those that were Jesus onlyist. Although the AG settled as triniterian you can't ignore the same movement lead many to deny the Trinity! Even today the AG list the Trinity as a crucial doctrine but then what are they to say of their UPC tongue speaking Trinity denying brothers? They have the sign of the Spirit according to Pentecostals but then deny the bases of how God has revealed himself? After all, the basis of Jesus being true is his heavenly witness seen clearly in his baptism. The Bible says there is one baptism. But Pentecostalism teaches two. One with water and one of the Holy Spirit. If the baptism of the Spirit is a secondary event not tied to the water we have two classes of believers and another sacrament. A sacrament is God doing something in us with an outward sign. But as Paul says... One Lord one Spirit and one baptism and elsewhere Paul says we've all been baptized into one Spirit and then goes on to say do all speak in tongues? That's why the mainline churches weren't having this. John 5:31 ESV If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true. Ephesians 4:4-5 ESV There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call- [5] one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 1 Corinthians 12:13 ESV For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slaves or free-and all were made to drink of one Spirit.1 Corinthians 12:30 ESV Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
Our fathers were all baptized into Moses and into the cloud and into the sea. 1 Cor. 10:2 The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Body of Christ. Jesus baptizes us in the Holy Spirit. The disciple baptizes us in water. Three baptisms in one, just as God is three Persons in One.
I grew up AG. Im not inherently against them by any means but I will say im more outspoken of how its unbiblical to have dozens of people shouting in tongues.
I grew up AG and it was not perfect but the people really loved the Lord; and the music was the best part. But now, like the vast majority of churches of all Protestant denominations all the leadership really care about is growth. Just like you two say the growth is so amazing; but growth is not what is most important in a Church. Following Christ without becoming corrupted by the world is what is most important. Purity, holiness, the fruit of the Spirit is what is most important. In my opinion the AG denomination has lost its way, and is going way into pragmatism. It’s a shame.
I have attended many AofG churches as a new believer and they are all over the place with their services. Running around with streamers, falling on the floor, all speaking their gibberish at the same time, twisting Scripture and claiming all kinds of stuff. Not for me.
A lot of things we do are pure tradition. I'm not a "Jesus only" type but it is easy to prove that the early church baptized in water in the name of Jesus only. Not our religious formula. And where do we get the idea that to immerse believers in or into the name of the Father, and the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Spirit means to repeat those very words. If I was instructed by the government to register an account in the name of my father, and the name of my mother, and the name of my brother, what would that mean? To fill out the form by repeating those words? To repeat those words to the clerk at the counter? It is not even a logical or proper use of language, but that is what we do. Does it not mean to use their actual names? Because "baptism" is such a religious tradition word, the only thing we think of is water baptism. The word means to immerse. And immerse does not only mean the religious ritual of the water tank. Jesus instructed his disciples to immerse those who believe into the name of the Father. Probably meaning immerse them into the name of the family of the Father by new birth through repentance. Immerse them into the fellowship of the death and resurrection of Jesus through water baptism. And also immerse them into fellowship of the Holy Spirit through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. All this is what they did, but never once is there any mention of someone repeating the instructions that were given as a formula over those baptized in water. "In the name of" does not mean something that is said, but the authority by which it is done.
He's usually not a lead character. I think he is usually kid friendly. He's a comedian. I don't know. I give up for now. This is going to take up my morning devotional time if I keep going. Someone post a picture if you figure it out.
So if God in His infinite wisdom and mercy baptizes a person in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and that is scriptural and accepted in Pentecostal Churches... then why isn't Water Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ for the Remission of sins isn't accepted as scriptural when it it clearly recorded in the Book of Acts and is the historical of the Apostles Doctrine? Whether Trinitarians or ONENESS?
Your mention of the oneness water baptism formula in 1916 shows an early weakness. If only some one there had actually studied the way Luke mentioned salvation way baptism in Jesus name, and spoke up it would have stopped the oneness foolishness at the start.
Education is an execellent power to have, but what about the Anointing? Today's churches don't look for anointing, they want a 25yr old with a Doctorate degree, with 20 years of experience. Then they accept you for a Internship. No thought of God's Anointing anymore!
Are you going to do a history of all the different Protestant groups? That’d be so interesting!
I think it would be nearly impossible to do every denomination. But I think we could do most of the mainline denominations
@@TheRemnantRadio Yeah that’d be tough. Endless content tho🤣
@@MiracleWhit yeah there’s hundreds of thousands of denominations that would be an endless supply of content
@@TheRemnantRadio well, just the main ones, if you just look at the main theological strands that there are, there are just 6 or 7 (like Baptist, Presbiterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Anglican, Pentecostal and everything in between)
Proud to be an AG member. We are not perfect though but we desire to live according to God's will and according to His Word.
the AG has come a LONG ways that's for sure
Not a member of the AG however, member of an independent Pentecostal church and our aspirations concur with yours. Love the Lord and live according to His Word and will. 😀
I’m Assemblies of God
If you mean having to submit to corrupt, narssistic leadership. I can honestly say it's not for me. YWAM and hillsong come to mind.
Aren’t the Assemblies of God dispensationalists? Future great tribulation, rapture and all that nonsense??
My great great aunt was one of the first A.G. missionaries to Tokyo Japan in the early 1900s. Her name was Esther Kelchner Juergenson. She married the Juergenson's son and is buried there in Tokyo.
My great grandpa(a brother of Esther) was H.B. Kelchner. He wrote the book "Living Your Christian Life Now in the Light of Eternity". He was an evangelist in the 60s early 70s.
And also, my grandparents are retired, yet still working for the church, A.G. pastors for the past 50+ years.
Glory to God
I remember HB Kelchner and have used that title in reference to Bible Prophecy teaching as a pastor for many years
Im from Philippine General Council of the Assemblies of God..the blessed and unique Christian believers..glory to God
Same!!
This episode was too much fun! What a great guest! I could listen to y'all talk for hours. Hoping for a part 2!
I would have liked for him to talk about how the founders were mostly ministers ordained in the Church of God in Christ and the reason(s) why they decided to break away from it.
This right here!! I clicked on this video to see if he was gonna be truthful about the origin or gonna ignore that the AOG split from the COGIC because of a bunch of racists who did not want to be with blacks.
@@ihaveavintageheart that was 100 years ago. AOG is no longer racist, so what would be the point of bringing that up? I'm 66, and grew up in the AOG, not once have I seen any racism in the churches I grew up in or visited. So, at this point in time, it is a moot point. Not saying it was ok back then, it wasn't, but it's not something to get your panties in a bunch over any more.
@@terridickerson5294 Because no matter how pretty or ugly history is, its history and you cant just whitewash it. Thats like saying you can erase slavery from the USA history because you did not experience it and it was a long time ago. To not even mention that AOG was part of the COGIC is leaving out a crucial part of how it even started in the first place.
I really do hope the AG begins to fall more in love with theology. I went to their general conference last year, and there was no discussion of doctrine. I pray that begins to change
Seems like they are more interested in pragmatism and whatever fills the seats. I grew up AG and my parents pastor an AG church. So sad to see what is happening in the area they are affiliated with. There is no discernment in relation to doctrine and theology. This is partly what led me to dig deeper and eventually become more reformed and amillennial, though I'm still a continuationist.
@@GabrielMartinez-su8di it's what caused me to leave too. Along with the fact that I've realized that I was raised inside of the prosperity gospel movement, and I have been to so many AG churches in my life. It's gotta be a problem with the system, not just my few churches
I would agree with your statement
@@nathanweisser I'm hearing that from more and more people who have left...its across the board
@@GabrielMartinez-su8di agreed, one of the reasons why i left AG. The leader, somewhat stopped me to dive into theology..
As an individual who has grown up AG (and still serves and attends today), it's refreshing to hear a little rebuttal in regards to some of the core beliefs that often turn people away from the denomination (such as tongues, and end time beliefs). I ALSO would be curious to see where AG would be today if they changed the verbiage to "a" vs "the". I love AG for a lot of reasons, my only "eh" with them is their thoughts and emphasis on tongues which almost creates or separates the church into the haves and the have-nots. Mature christians and christians who haven't "tapped in to the power yet". I think that emphasis is their biggest flaw and I know a lot of people who have been hurt from this. Other than that, I find myself in agreeing with most of AG's beliefs compared to other denominations.
This was a brilliant interview. He was informative, engaging, clear, understanding, open and fair. Learned a lot.
This Channel should have a million+ subs
Agreed brother. They produce alot of fair, balanced, informative stuff.
I’m actually J. Roswell Flowers great, great, grandson, so it’s cool to hear about him from other perspectives.
He actually was used by God to start a magazine and he was the one early A/G leader that opposed the miss use of water baptism using a formula of Jesus name. He understood the Bible and that in Acts Luke was speaking of salvation and not water baptism having to follow a formula. Smart man used of God to stop Satan from ruining the Pentecostal revival. Some still followed the oneness false doctrines.
I am really happy about your ministry. I hope that. You can be used to bring the body of Christ together . My heart grieves when the body of Christ fights about unessasary things. Sis Becca
This is so helpful!!!! Would love a history of Church of God and Nazarenes next! Love ya edifying the Body from Texas. I'm from Lubbock so y'all definitely had the Holy Spirit moving when y'all came back on us in football lol
Thank you for this video. I have been raised AG and even went to SAGU (years back). But hearing about our history again was great. Especially helped hearing about the diversity of each AG church. When looking to be an associate minister in a new church they are vastly different and your talk help give understanding to the diversity of each church.
Part of what Drew me to the assemblies of God is that I grew up as a Baptist and the Baptist churches. I went to were very big on the Bible. I went to an assembly of God Bible school anyways this is reminding me of some of the history of the Pentecostal movementclass I had in Bible school. Thank you for the review.
I am an Assemblies of God pastor and we have been doing Oktoberfest for 10 years… I’m in Portland Oregon, so that may explain a little bit as well. We have several microbrewery owners at our church and we make root beer specifically for Oktoberfest every year… I love being in the AG
Former UPCI member here. Fascinating to hear about the split between the groups from AG side of history. Thanks for sharing! ❤
wow, well said. I grew up baptist/non-denominational, and Ive just started dating a catholic, and I just started attending a non-denominational/first assembly church. So this was very helpful, and I just love learning the history of the church which we never talk about.
I found it interesting that racial divisions occurred during the early years of Assemblies of God before 1914. After Azusa, The Pentecostal church known as The Church of God in Christ was a interracial group, black and white Christians united together 1907. During the times of racial controversy they split and formed Assemblies of God. Tell the whole story
They won't any documentary about their history they never acknowledge that their denomination was born out of COGIC And it was because they didn't want to be under a black leader
I've never heard of this. I was saved in an Assembly of God. But not currently attending one. I have no problem as a white person attending Church with minorities. But I've seen the Church of God that I attended for years, have churches in the denomination that were all black or Hispanic, But not alot that are of different races. I've never understood why it's that way. It's like segregation in the church.
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Wow! I so love this...to date, one of the best ones I’ve seen(just my opinion). I love and appreciate all y’all are doing out there...thanks Josh and that gentleman/brother that is speaking!
I am also proud to say that, although we are an independent church, our roots and confession of faith comes from the Assemblies of God.
6:40 All Christianity was formed in Israel, the Mideast. Europeans altered it to fit personal beliefs. Also, there are Christian veins all over the world, still existing.
My mother wanted to make sure I pointed out that I misspoke at the start and said I got a masters at Austin Presbyterian Seminary when really it was a doctorate in historical theology. She doesn’t want to get cheated out of having a doctor son I think. 😂
Thanks guys, this is fantastic! I just did the AG governance and history course - this was so nice to have as a recap on everything.
Pastor Scoma! I remember you from your days at JRC. We’re still attending there and really miss you. God bless you and God bless Texas!
I was born and raised in the AG. It’s important to do a large and thorough research of the roots, beginnings and look at the personal lives of the movers and shakers within the movement. You will be shocked. It will take courage to do this, but if you do, it open your eyes, and make you decide if you allegiance is to the LORD or is it to a movement. I was a licensed minister within the AG and had enough schooling to be ordained. Please do your homework. You will know the truth and it will set you free.
the split with the assemblies of God and Church of God came over sanctification, progressive/instantaneous sanctification that was what caused the split, people it is not one or the other it is BOTH.
I get tired of youtube comments about "AG doesn't care about doctrine." What nonsense. Yes. Yes we do! We talk about it all the time. Sheesh.
False doctrines don't count.
@@swissb64 perhaps so.... So it's a good thing the AG doesn't hold doctrines outside of orthodoxy.
I was saved in an Assembly of God Church. It was the most awesome day of my life. I was saved in 1979. Have been baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I grewup in a church that did not believe in the gifts of the Spirit. So I am pentecostal through and through. I don't currently attend one, but have in the past.
There is no evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit it was a language. Get your dog in straight read your Bible Bible all this stuff is gibberish
I was baptized in an Assemblies of God church. It was a Sunday night in January 1998 when they had Sunday evening services. It had Sunday evening services till 2018. I didn’t attend an Assemblies of God church after late 1998.
It is both. Some people in modern times have been given an actual language in tongues and the bystanders usually said it was,praise to God. My spirit talking in tongues that sounds gibberish also occurs. God can do what He wants@@robinchevrier497
great conversation about the AG! Really loved it. Sadly there's not a lot here on UA-cam about the AG but i wonder if some of that is because we are so diverse as ya'll just said.
Wow growing up AG - this was incredibly interesting.. always wondered where did this come from, many of the big AG pastors, how did these character types come to be .. very well done
For the last 10-12 years of my 42 as a believer, I've attended AG churches. Invariably my experience has been far less than rewarding. No teaching, none. Simply "prayer and share." It is as though the spirit of Socrates has possessed the place: district sends out "questions for discussion" and the sheep begin bleeting. "Well sister Snodgrass what do you "think/feel" this passage is saying?" My most recent pastor remarked, "well, I stay on a basic level and try not to wander to deeply theologically, because few of the members here are on that level..." Sir, that is what teaching is all about. The "worship" service invariably is a repetition of one or three very simplistic "experience-related" lullabies, sung over and over and over and over again. Yep, I'm outta' here.
So interesting! I went to an AG church while I lived in one city and enjoyed it. The Octoberfest was a great idea!
Fascinating. Please have him on again.
I went to Assemblies of God Churches for about 4 years. I don't remember that they were very big on doctrine. I left and eventually went to a Church where the Pastor had been ordained by the Assemblies of God in Canada. They (at that time) had a Bible College inside the Church. (which was handy).
At the first Assemblies of God Church I went to, my "spiritual mother" had gone to Bible College. This must have been around the 1950's as she was kind of elderly. I think she might have had a "call" on her life, but they didn't ordain women in those days (that I know of). She was really pushy. (God bless her). So, instead of ordaining her, they made her a professional "Exhorter." She could do just about everything a Pastor could do, but they just called her something different, so they wouldn't go against the Scripture that says: Women can't TEACH men. (But they can EXHORT, which is basically the same thing). I thought this was a little strange. This was in 1969.
The new AG motto is “we will do whatever it takes to get people in our church.” And entertainment is king.
Some of them have gone back a way like that. I listen to Rodney Howard Browne, whom some if not many Assembly of God have in the past or still do look down upon. But ironically enough, the very things that Rodneys church has probably resembles Azusa street more than most Assembly of God churches have today which is sad. The a/g people to have rotten tomato’s thrown at them (so I heard in the past),for being Pentecostal
. Now they are the ones throwing rotten tomatoes at rodney Howard Browne. Not all AG,THOUGH. I AM A GRADUATE OF AG BIBLE SCHOOL AND LOVE THEM BUT THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS,
@@bonniemitchell5841 Every AG church I have been to here in Dallas is TERRIBLE. I mean really off the wall. It’s really sad and depressing.
John Todd’s explanation of the origin of the Assemblies of God is the most interesting history lesson of all.
Really interesting conversation . I like his approach / easy to understand and I appreciate that ....
Also being from the Springfield MO area. I'm kinda hurt that he said no one should go to Springfield lol. I love it here.
The Apostle with Robert Duvall is a fantastic film!
I like the way the assemblies has the churches set up. In the Church of God, they own the church. You can't pull a local church out of the denomination. Also, the head can appoint your pastor, and unless he does something really sinful you can be stuck with him. The church members don't have much of a say, although their tithes support the church and pay the pastors salary. There is also way to much politics in alot of denominations.
This was a fascinating interview. I grew up in the UPC tradition so I have heard this history but from the other perspective. I now attend a Southern Baptist seminary though my theology is definitely more charismatic than SBC.
I believe in the 16 Fundamentals, except I don't believe that speaking in tongues is the ONLY INITIAL evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I believe it is AN evidence...When I went to their Church in 1969, I did not speak in tongues, but they let me be water baptized. I don't remember if they asked me or not. I was young, a new Christian, and I didn't understand "Pentecostal stuff" at that time...
Yeah the wording is poor, the ‘only initial’ just means it’s a physical and immediate evidence.
If you really want to push the envelope you should do a podcast with Jay Dyer who used to be a Protestant and became Orthodox. Check out Jay Dyer's video on Protestantism and Evangelicalism Refuted. Not very many Protestants want to talk to Jay Dyer. He's an expert on church history and patristics.
Jesus has given me the gift of Teaching and evangelism or evangelist. Through my Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I am Hispanic and Portuguese and speak non of them but English. Yet I do not speak in a language different from English. I do pray in my closest in secret in tongues. Just as scripture says. And not all the time, but as the spirit moves.
I know this is a couple years old but I really appreciated this video. I would love to have heard more on the view of women in ministry and how that is playing out in AG right now, especially with female lead pastors/elders
Only people born in the 70s and 80s will catch the facts of life reference.
You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The facts of life, the facts of life
looool
I love my Assemblies of God Church. We have altar calls.
You guys might want to edit out the fart at 21:23 hahaha
Thank you so much God bless you (Niagalam AG church Meghalaya/India )🙏🙏🙏
Brother, If your going to talk about AOG then you definitely need to talk about COGIC “Church of God in Christ and if you study 📚 your history we should all know that AOG came out of COGIC. Please include that in your next video. Thank you 🙏🏾.
You take the good, you take the bad, you take the sad, and you have the fact of life.
I'm only 30 minutes in but I find it VERY disheartening when for whatever reason people don't tell the FULL HISTORY of the AoG, the good and bad. The Azusa revival occurred in 1906 and the assemblies of God formed in 1914. What happened in between those years? Those white ministers who went on to form the AoG in 1914 were apart of another Pentecostal Holiness group called the Churches of God in Christ lead by a black man Charles Harrison Mason. They were licensed and ordained by this black former slave and sat under his leadership until racial tension in the south caused them to not want to be under a black leader and worship with other black people, that is why the white ministers left he Church of God in Christ and met in Arkansas in 1914 to form a segregated group called the AoG. Charles Mason who had once lead this group traveled to Arkansas and despite the racial division that caused the white ministers to break away from his group he blessed them and their movement and even licensed some more of the white ministers so that they could license more white ministers, because his focus was getting the message of holiness and Pentecostalism out to the world. You can't mention AoG history without mentioning Church of God in Christ and Bishop Charles Mason
The sad thing is that you don't have to go all the way into modalism to affirm baptism in Jesus' name. If they had left it there, then we could still have fellowship, but they put themselves outside of orthodoxy and rendered fellowship impossible.
I currently attend am AG church and i grew up in one. I dont live everything about my church or what I've heard about things at the leadership levels above a pastor, however i dont know of a single major problem i know of that would make me want to leave.
Im looking forward to hearing this as i do not know the history at all.
This needs to be a DVD Series. So good!
I totally agree that if you are a "Pentecostal Church", a Pastor must be filled with the Holy Spirit. If not your church can turn from a Pentecostal Church that has the gift of the Spirit operating, to a non Pentecostal Church.
Elim and AofG started in the UK. Stephen and George Jeffrey’s. One was Elim. The other AoG. The difference being the organisational structure.
This episode made me laugh out loud! It's a good thing I wasn't drinking something when he gave his "money and honeys" comment. It'd of come out my mouth...and nose!
I may have to visit a couple of AoG churches sometime.
Interesting, but wasn’t race also an issue and part of the historical splitting of COGIC that formed AG
Never was mentioned..
Currently I'm converting to Eastern Orthodoxy but i did grow up AG.
I knew all the Azusa stuff but the schism stuff was new to me and pretty interesting! Thanks for the video!
I grew up Methodist, attended an Assembly of God church, for four years at their Bible college in Springfield, then became Greek orthodox for 25 years. We still are, but I just love Rodney Howard Browne on UA-cam and Heidi baker. I guess I came full circle and enjoy them all.
I meant to say I went to cbc in Springfield, mo for four years and graduated from there. I think the Azusa street revival is what began this countries 19th and 20th centuries’ religious life..
Any relation to Merlin?
Man’s way is not God’s way. No such thing as a self claim, man man movement. One Lord, one Faith, one Baptism, Not everyone who say Lord! Lord! Will enter the Kingdom of God. And by the way AG, man who found this movement can change it to his way. The AG leadership is 85% white and the rest has to fit in we’re we can
You guys should get Rod Saunders of Jew and Greek on here to discuss WOF Theology. That would be a good one 😊
Can we get a Church of God history?
This was good but you left out the AOG dealing with the Church of God in Christ.
Someday soon...
I'm gonna know the answer to this question,
but NOT yet.
Nor does anybody else, truth be told.
But I don't REALLY care right now, you know.
I'm just working on making disciples and loving Him.
Can you explain how woman became pastors in AG this is important to me because I love my female pastor. She directs me and shows me truth
What about Moody, Toorey, Wesleyan influence? did that contribute into it? wondering
We speak of nothing of Evangelism in our assembly. I bring up discipleship. And counting the cost and Sunday school teacher shunned me. They ask me not to bring up the Scripture's that deal with, Jesus saying not everyone who says Lord Lord. They say don't speak of those Scripture's.
So if God in His infinite wisdom and mercy baptizes a person in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues
When my AG church split when I was in jr high it was over the pastor’s affair. I’ve also heard of them splitting over the color of carpet.
I didn’t even realize some people didn’t believe in the Trinity until I was much older. And I never saw a trace of Arianism.
Terima kasih atas penjelasan sejarah gereja assembly of god. saya pendeta gereja sidang jemaat Allah (assembly of god) di Samosir island Sumatra Utara Indonesia.
“Do all speak in tongues?”.... But we are all called to the Great Commission. We are ministers of God without any ordination of man.
Do all speak in tongues.... A great verse that the Assembly of God seems to skip over in the proof texting for their doctorines.
@@nickspitzley8539 h&
@@nickspitzley8539The passages in I Corinthians passages clearly describes the public gifts of the Spirit and not the initial Baptism. In spite of the insistence of some at least 3 passages indicate tongues as the evidence of that experience. Paul covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues. It is people like the above commenter who twist the scripture and omit verses that go against their ideas.
AG, came from Church of God in Christ, under Bishop Charles Harrison Mason. In Memphis Tennessee
AG now has a lesbian pastor preaching so far in Northern California churches.
4 generation Assembly of God God has been so good to me.
❤❤😂 wow nice good job
Proud of our Assemblies of God
Family in Tamaqua PA.
Any 2024/2025 viewer here?
This is great
I loved this!
Very good!
The pentecostal movement formed primarily through those that were Jesus onlyist. Although the AG settled as triniterian you can't ignore the same movement lead many to deny the Trinity! Even today the AG list the Trinity as a crucial doctrine but then what are they to say of their UPC tongue speaking Trinity denying brothers? They have the sign of the Spirit according to Pentecostals but then deny the bases of how God has revealed himself? After all, the basis of Jesus being true is his heavenly witness seen clearly in his baptism.
The Bible says there is one baptism. But Pentecostalism teaches two. One with water and one of the Holy Spirit. If the baptism of the Spirit is a secondary event not tied to the water we have two classes of believers and another sacrament. A sacrament is God doing something in us with an outward sign. But as Paul says... One Lord one Spirit and one baptism and elsewhere Paul says we've all been baptized into one Spirit and then goes on to say do all speak in tongues?
That's why the mainline churches weren't having this.
John 5:31 ESV
If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true.
Ephesians 4:4-5 ESV
There is one body and one Spirit-just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call- [5] one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
1 Corinthians 12:13 ESV
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slaves or free-and all were made to drink of one Spirit.1 Corinthians 12:30 ESV
Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
Our fathers were all baptized into Moses and into the cloud and into the sea. 1 Cor. 10:2
The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Body of Christ. Jesus baptizes us in the Holy Spirit.
The disciple baptizes us in water.
Three baptisms in one, just as God is three Persons in One.
I grew up AG. Im not inherently against them by any means but I will say im more outspoken of how its unbiblical to have dozens of people shouting in tongues.
How about the love of God being the initial evidence for Holy Spirit baptism?
I grew up AG and it was not perfect but the people really loved the Lord; and the music was the best part. But now, like the vast majority of churches of all Protestant denominations all the leadership really care about is growth. Just like you two say the growth is so amazing; but growth is not what is most important in a Church. Following Christ without becoming corrupted by the world is what is most important. Purity, holiness, the fruit of the Spirit is what is most important. In my opinion the AG denomination has lost its way, and is going way into pragmatism. It’s a shame.
I have question to everuone here, is this assembly of god are the same to assembly of YHWH?
Tell the whole story of how your church started and the racism that it was a part of .
I have attended many AofG churches as a new believer and they are all over the place with their services. Running around with streamers, falling on the floor, all speaking their gibberish at the same time, twisting Scripture and claiming all kinds of stuff. Not for me.
A lot of things we do are pure tradition. I'm not a "Jesus only" type but it is easy to prove that the early church baptized in water in the name of Jesus only. Not our religious formula. And where do we get the idea that to immerse believers in or into the name of the Father, and the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Spirit means to repeat those very words. If I was instructed by the government to register an account in the name of my father, and the name of my mother, and the name of my brother, what would that mean? To fill out the form by repeating those words? To repeat those words to the clerk at the counter? It is not even a logical or proper use of language, but that is what we do. Does it not mean to use their actual names?
Because "baptism" is such a religious tradition word, the only thing we think of is water baptism. The word means to immerse. And immerse does not only mean the religious ritual of the water tank.
Jesus instructed his disciples to immerse those who believe into the name of the Father. Probably meaning immerse them into the name of the family of the Father by new birth through repentance. Immerse them into the fellowship of the death and resurrection of Jesus through water baptism. And also immerse them into fellowship of the Holy Spirit through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. All this is what they did, but never once is there any mention of someone repeating the instructions that were given as a formula over those baptized in water. "In the name of" does not mean something that is said, but the authority by which it is done.
34:45 The nerds never got their link in the description lol...
This guy seems really familiar, like an actor or something but I just cant place it.
My thought too. He's like someone one knew 30 years ago and now to meet again and he's got greying hair.
I see it too! This is going to rock my brain till I figure this out.
He's usually not a lead character. I think he is usually kid friendly. He's a comedian. I don't know. I give up for now. This is going to take up my morning devotional time if I keep going. Someone post a picture if you figure it out.
I think he looks like Mark Ruffalo
So if God in His infinite wisdom and mercy baptizes a person in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and that is scriptural and accepted in Pentecostal Churches... then why isn't Water Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ for the Remission of sins isn't accepted as scriptural when it it clearly recorded in the Book of Acts and is the historical of the Apostles Doctrine? Whether Trinitarians or ONENESS?
Here is an episode you may find interesting: Credo vs Paedobaptism - ua-cam.com/video/x5pNgujp8YU/v-deo.html
Your mention of the oneness water baptism formula in 1916 shows an early weakness. If only some one there had actually studied the way Luke mentioned salvation way baptism in Jesus name, and spoke up it would have stopped the oneness foolishness at the start.
@B.J. Allen you didnt believe me when I told you Assemblies dont believe in Salvation by baptism lol?
Seems like this person assumed Assemblies of God has the same theology as Oneness Pentecostals
@@Iffmeister No. B.J. is great but if you dont ask the questions you dont know. Many people have misconceptions because they never ask.
@@holmeselectric9 ah, that's fair. I was just saying cause I've seen people make that assumption
I would like to learn more of the history of the church of god Cleveland Tennessee
Yall should have Carlton Pearson on your show
ayyyyyy we got ourselves a Chi Alphan 😎
Education is an execellent power to have, but what about the Anointing? Today's churches don't look for anointing, they want a 25yr old with a Doctorate degree, with 20 years of experience. Then they accept you for a Internship. No thought of God's Anointing anymore!
My Assemblies of God church don’t emphasize speaking in tongues . I’ve never even heard it done in church
That is sad.