Well, although I don’t care for the term “a jezebel” or “jezebel spirit” to be overused and passed around attributed to everything demonic, I have felt spiritually oppressed. And I find it helpful to recognize it as a spiritual attack, and call it out “I rebuke you, spirit of lust, in Jesus name. This is not of God, and I see this is of evil, this stops now, in Jesus name.” There is something about identifying it as whether it’s spiritual, or of my flesh, and how I’m to to pray to God about. Am I to repent for my flesh and sin, or rebuke a spiritual entity. I feel at times there are thoughts, and dreams, that just aren’t what I want to think, or meditate on, or dream about- and my mind gets into a downward spiral, my emotions are affected, and I’m trapped in guilt and shame. That’s when I know I need to “resist” the devil in the power of the name of Jesus. I liked the examples when the discussion got into “Spirit of Elijah” and “Spirit of antichrist” (there has been written in scripture a lying spirit, spirit of confusion, spirit of infirmity) The spirit of anti christ is at work in the world, and it has a character profile. Anything that desires to put itself above God, or replace God, and cause you to reject the true gospel message. Anything that draws you away from the lordship of Christ. Progressive church, universalism, new age practices- anything that establishes itself against “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the father except through me” and I find it’s helpful to me to discern what the “spirit” behind situations or teachings are. (beliefs that are being imposed, and its nature and character in comparison to the Word) I’ve heard pastor Robert Morris speak of a Jezebel spirit and I thought it was interesting. And I could witness to it in action, even if it’s not clearly outlined in scripture, but rather implied according to her character that has been outlined in scripture . Especially in revelations like you spoke of. If it’s the same person, using the same term for every other person well, it’s probably not being used in the right context. And that person needs to be better instructed. Overall- I think It actually can be helpful. But like many charismatic abuses, has become far off its original meaning and abused
Good good! I'll put my signature on "maybe we need to stop talking about it for a season". I've personally witnessed fights in church where one person plays the "jezebel" card towards another person who was challenging his authority (rightly so he was totally leading people astray big time). It's being used as a universal trump card many times it seems. If you need to defend yourself but have no good defense because you did so much wrong things, just play the "jezebel" card.
I really like Joshua’s tone when explaining things. He always sounds honoring when talking about topics. Roundtree kind of comes off as skeptical and with a hard edge, which is sometimes hard to listen to. Regardless, I love the show. Thanks!
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Hey guys! Love your show! I’m wondering if you could do an episode or segment on contraception? I can’t find any teaching on it and I feel that no one likes to talk about it - but the creation of LIFE is such a HUGE thing. There are texts across the Bible referring to the blessing of children in abundance and a closed womb being something that is negative - but I can’t in my own research find anything supporting the use of contraception? I’m open to both sides and would love some proper theological teaching and debate on this if you could? Or even could someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks so much!
I know it doesn't help when it comes to biblical reasons but I have one simple rule on this. Now, hehe, english ain't my main language, so I don't know the technical terms when it comes to this, but I'll explain it in my words: If cells from man and woman merge - All means that kills the merged cells, that is forbidden because for all practical purposes this is abortion (early or late doesn't matter to me, it's a termination of a life that just began to exist and thus not right). Any killing of life, no matter how early or late in pregnancy, is imo not allowed according to the bible that says killing is forbidden. So for me it becomes an abortion related question. I don't think you will find anywhere in the bible that supports the use of contraceptives - because it wasn't a thing. One guy in particular was commanded to not leave his "stuff" on the ground. But that was him. It's not a general rule. This also seems to suggest that "jumping off" at the right moment was a thing then as it is now. This is in principle not any different from what you're asking about. I don't know if that was pointing you in the right direction, and I'm open to listening to other opinions / result of research.
Contraception...abstinence, foam, contraceptive meds., rubbers...use one to PREVENT joining of egg and sperm. Anything after joining is killing a life.
I know this is an ungodly thought or belief but I was so against theological discussion and what I thought was just high minded religious debating. I just want to encourage and say God is using this podcast to redeem theological study in my life. I have always been a more feeling person and not very smart so I just presumed theological talk lacked heart which totally isn’t true. Your balanced approach is letting me see the worship and study of God in both Spirit and truth.
At 41:30, Roundtree slams the door and drops the mic on this whole issue. I recommend just skipping to that and stopping when he's done. In those few minutes are all you need to know. Instead of dividing the demonic realm into specific spirits, people, territories, categories and only certain sins, I point to 1 John 5:19 - the WHOLE WORLD lies under the sway of the wicked one.
It also takes away from true accountability for our own actions and choices of right and wrong for those who know better I still pray for all and love all 🙏❤️🥰
Sometimes I am truly amazed at the protectionism that runs in Christian circles. "Jezebel spirit" is simply a term used against people who say things we don't like. I have come to see that we don't like the truth very much, but rather our version of it. Get a group together around a version* of the truth and you could call it a cult. Get an even larger group and you can call it a denomination. All you need to do to be a part of it is leave your mind at the door, forget what you can read for yourself in these sacred books and follow the "hired hand" without question. Since that hired hand has the only direct Revelation from God. The most stinging revelation will finally be that its not just the hired hand, worse its few who actually care about the truth because the version of the truth created by the hired hand makes them feel better.
Can someone please explain to me why Miller called John Paul Jackson a “true” prophet? (Genuine question) I know these guys are charismatic but also have a fundamental foundation of scripture, but I’m a little confused on that statement
Maybe you guys have already done a video on this and I haven’t gotten to it yet (recently discovered this channel), but this is something I have been wondering about for a while. I have become more familiar with the idea of narcissists in the last several years. I seem to have been in close contact with quite a few. I am having a difficult time framing it in the Biblical worldview. Mental health vs. demonization. I have a loose belief about what it could be, but honestly I’m confused. Some of your conversation in this episode has reminded me of this weird conversation I have in my own head lol. If we label someone a narcissist, what does that mean as far as how we are to treat them? From what I “know,” getting closer with them and trying to get to the point where you can talk to them about your concerns seems to be ineffective because it seems they won’t listen, and it could get turned around on you, etc. I don’t like the idea of giving up on people, but I also don’t want to be in a situation that I know will hurt me further. But the world seems to give up too easily on “toxic” people. So….if you were to do an episode about this sort of thing, I would be ever so grateful. Loving this channel! Thank you for what you are doing!
I agree about not just giving up on people with narcissistic traits or other toxic behaviors. We should pray for them, with boundaries when needed. It may be just praying for them from afar to avoid the abuse narcissists tend to dish out. Check out Shaneen Megji here on yt. She has alot of information on this from a biblical perspective.
Thanks for the teaching gents - I think the issue might be that - in some circles - it is attributed to women who don’t necessarily tow the line - or who might look for attention negatively- so - as a woman - it feels sexist and controlling. I agree with Michael Brown’s understanding of it being a spiritual principality as such (if that’s what he meant) and can influence both male and female and is prevalent in society. An agenda - manifested by sexual immorality and the death of babies as sacrificial to the evil realm - that is spiritual and specific
I really appreciate the discussions and methodical, balanced approach. I have a question (which may be addressed in one of your videos). I've heard preachers and fellow charismatics talk about casting out the "spirit of fear". Is there biblical reference to back this up? I will refrain from offering my opinion as I'd like to get the take of those who have more time into study.
Jezebel was a queen, but she was also a WITCH as evidenced by when King Jehu said to her son, King Joram: 🔥And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, ‘Is it peace, Jehu?’ And he answered, ‘What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her WITCHcrafts are so many?’🔥 ~ 2 Kings 9:22 (KJV) She was also adversarial to the Lord’s prophets, which seemingly suggests getting the opportunity to sit at her table to serve her and her gods or face death (1 Kings 18:19). She killed many of the Lord’s prophets as Obadiah told Elijah: 🔥Was it not told my lord what I did when Jezebel slew the prophets of the Lord, how I hid an hundred men of the Lord 's prophets by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water?🔥 ~ 1 Kings 18:13 (KJV) After Elijah executed judgment against her 450 prophets on Mount Carmel, the remaining 400 prophesied to King Ahab, believing they were under the unction of the Holy Spirit: 🔥’Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.’ But Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near, and smote Micaiah on the cheek, and said, ‘Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee?’🔥 ~ 1 Kings 22:23-24 (KJV) Elijah was not a coward. And based on how he called down fire that consumed 102 of King Ahaziah’s men, which caused the third captain with his 50 to beg Elijah to spare their lives, it indicates dealing with something spiritual when Jezebel promised to kill him (2 Kings 1:9-15, 1 Kings 19:1-4). Elijah ran for his life, yet he sought death when he asked the Lord to kill him. Jezebel uses spiritual weapons such as fear and confusion (a major sign of witchcraft). Jezebel was a hardcore unrepentant witch who did not fear God. She was an assassin of the Lord’s prophets, and she ruled over prophets. Similar to how John the Baptist came in the “spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17), the devil raises up his ministers (2 Corinthians 11:13-15), some of whom operate in the spirit of Jezebel. Anyone with a serious prophetic call on their lives can expect someone with such a spirit to try to seduce him or her into the false prophetic. The person may pose as a potential mentor, intercessor, spouse, or sexual partner. If the seduction fails, the bullying will start, to include releasing evil spirits against a servant of Christ Jesus. The person with such a “spirit” (see Luke 9:52-55) gives “young” prophets something they crave, a recognition of them and their gifts, which oftentimes followed by a willingness to help that person launch/advance in ministry. Therefore, the seduction is not always sexual. It is seductive when a person offers you an opportunity to get recognized, which is what the devil tried with Jesus (Luke 4:5-8). Coming into agreement with such a person (spirit) will result in “spiritual pollution”, such as strange dreams and visions. One way to find out which spirit that person is of is to disagree, which causes things to become heated. That may have been why the church at Thyatira tolerated Jezebel, or as I like to call her, JezebHELL (because that spirit tries to make that person’s life hell on earth). “Jezebel” lashes out when it does not get its way. Many people are familiar with the “narcissistic rage” of someone with “Narcissistic Personality Disorder”. It seems easier to appease such a person instead of potentially “rocking the boat”. King Ahab was not the coward many people have made him out to be. For example, when the the Syrian king, Benhadad, threatened him and his family, Ahab responded to the challenge with: 🔥Tell him, Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off.🔥 ~ 1 Kings 20:10-11 (KJV) JezebHELL tries to emasculate and dominate. It presents high intensity, high level spiritual warfare. For some prophets, the attacks are mostly spiritual, which is why they had frequent nightmares as a child or after knowingly or unknowingly coming into contact with someone who operates with a “JezebHELL spirit”. Some people are mislabeled as being a Jezebel, but some people are, therefore, when exposed or simply offended, they seek to retaliate instead to repent. As a prophet or prophetess of the Lord, JezebHELL will seek to be your queen. Do not become JezebHELL’s servant or vessel.🔥⚔️🔥
Yes we have to be careful. The women in Jesus lineage, the women He encountered, He treated them well, understanding woman as the helper of man. God knows the devil uses our beauty and mans weak nature to take us down.
42:04 The bible also doesn't teach that posessed people can have blood come out of their eyes but it happens. And I say this because i actually have this spirit and struggle to get free from it. I've literally had this thing try to kill me when i listen to deliverance prayers for it and it's very difficult. It is a term that is used for abused but there are people that legitimately struggle with this.
Also I want to add that yes if you do struggle people will avoid you or they do stop seeing you as a human being and just tend to berate you into coming out of agreement with it and most people have no concept of inner healing. But this thing does exist and it's terrible. And it's not vain if you have it. Its not vain if you've experienced it manifesting in you, it's not vain if you've had it turn on you in your own mind and body and kill you, it's not vain if you can't fight it and have no sense of who you are anymore. I don't want to obsess about it or go around clubbing people with it, I legitimately dont want this thing in my life and it's horrible.
I see people act and live like Jezebel but I wouldn't say there is a literal and specific Jezebel Spirit. Behind Jezebel's behavior was most likely demonic influence and forces. But when you look at her characteristics it's simply sin but does significant damage because of her influence in leadership. I think 1 Kings 22:21-23 is a good example that Spirits are not of specific kinds but can do specific tasks as needed.
I came here for Roundtree's rant at 41:00 - although my take more aligned with Miller's, I love the passion Roundtree brought to addressing some potential nonsense.
Is it possible that this same spirit was possessing the woman called Jezebel? We just call the demon that due to the name of such a notorious Old Testament character.
People like to say that the Jezebel spirit is about getting her way and opposing hierarchy... except in the actual story Jezebel was not trying to get *HER* way, nor did she oppose Ahab in any way. She actually went out of her way to give him what he wanted, enabling *HIS* wrongful desire. If your theology doesn't even follow what the text is saying then it's just made up.
God bless you. I do encourage Rowntree sharp approach. In a world where everything is nuanced and every edge rounded, we need to draw the line somewhere. The Bible as the point of reference seems good to me. Don't teach your experience, teach the word of God.
This accusation is used too often and often by those who are operating in a dominating and religious spirit. Many women have been falsely labelled this to abuse them and have been left devastated for years.
Jezebel was one personification of the spirit of whoredoms, mentioned in Hosea 4:12 and 5:4. In as much as there is a spirit of whoredoms, there is definitely a jezebel spirit. all the attributes associated with passages of scripture talking about whoredom/whoring etc, apply exactly to jezebel.
The appropriate question is: what does scripture teach? No such teaching exists in scripture that we need to watch out for these various spirits. Squid, python Jez etc.
Love these discussion .. forgive me I’m. It familiar with Mr. Jackson but he was mentioned as a “true prophet”. If he is a true prophet yet there is absolute disagreement with something he says or prophesied , then how can we believe any of what he or someone says if true if we then say they are right in this area but not in that area, that is like some parts of the Bible are true while others are not .. up for correction ☺️
The all or nothing perspective doesn’t work with any of the prophets with the exception of maybe Samuel where “none of his words fell to the ground. Again it’s super important that you don’t equate prophesy with scripture.
I think some of these opinions you guys have is simply due to a lack of experience. In theory you may not believe in it but in practice you may see its real. There is a difference between the school of experience and a school of theology. I would be careful saying something doesn't exist just because its no in the Bible. There is no rapture, trinity or a named pastor in all of scripture yet they all exist and are real. Cheers
"Book of fulfillment" - good way to put it. How about "spirit of Elijah" = work of the HS as He worked in Elijah's ministry. Same with Jezebel, but obviously an evil spirit.
I don't agree with y'all's assessment of people who are under the influence of this spirit. You can accurately discern the spirit afflicting someone without demonizing them as an individual. Then you can pray against it / cast it out or take authority over it.
I know that you did this discussion a while back, but how can so many people have a spirit of Jezebel at the same time? All spiritual beings that have been created cannot be omnipresent. Yes, I believe people are using this term incorrectly and it is just not Biblical. Jezebel is never described as a spirit in Scripture, but always a person. I believe that the woman who Jesus was speaking about in the letter to Thyatira was a member of the church and is why Jesus is calling her to repent. If she wasn't anything to do with the church, then surely Jesus would have directed His words to those believers who were involved with her teaching. His words were as much an accusation to the church in that city. There is no such thing as a spirit of Jezebel, as there is no such thing as a spirit of Ahab or Kundalini. How long before people start saying that there's a spirit of Delilah? Since all of Satan's hordes are against God and His Kingdom, then they all have the same aim. To possess, influence and lead astray as many people against God as they can. They are just hellbent on evil. As Jesus Christ said about Satan, "He's been a liar and a murderer from the beginning." Our fallen nature plays a large part in this as well. Jesus Christ also taught that the human heart is full of all kinds of evil intentions. When He was saying about food not defiling a person, He mentioned that evil comes out of our own hearts and minds. Unfortunately, there has been tendency to overlook what Jesus Christ taught in favour of the deliverance ministry's shift to naming spirits that might be affecting a person. If a person is possessed in any way, they will at some point manifest. Jesus only asked the name of a person possessed once, and I believe He was asking the man his name, but the demons answered instead. In all cases where Jesus used deliverance bar one, He just commanded the demons to leave the person. People in the deliverance ministry particularly, feel that they must identify the demon or spirit and do a great deal of damage as a result. All that's necessary is to command that demon out so that the person can be set free. And of course, some require prayer and fasting alongside. This stuff, when done wrongly just brings the name of Jesus Christ into disrepute. And the world then just thinks that we're all a bunch of nutters, and who could blame them. Thank you for discussing this topic, because this type of teaching needs calling out and exposed for what it is. Amen Michael Roundtree! 🙏
You can't be around nobody like this unless you going to cast The demon out a person like this is very manipulative and like God said bad company creates bad manners a person like this will deceive you the fear that you feel is this person has so much things going on in the background that your spirit knows but you don't know so it's overwhelming it's no joke you will feel everything that this demon feels depending on how powerful this person is the soul tie that would be created what have you going back so many different times if you in a relationship with this person sometimes 20 times God got to bring you out of this you could be in a relation with a person like this for 20 years and never know who they are they will mimic you they will mirror you whenever you get out this relationship you will be a shell of a person because the person like this has no soul God forgive me for saying it but they don't not have no empathy they don't know what's right for wrong I've been around a person like this and I didn't want to accept it but guess what I discovered God in Jesus Christ in the midst of it so let me tell you this is so evil that you just can't even imagine peace and blessings
Athaliah, Jezebel's daughter, killed her grandkids in order to become the only ruler over Judah who was not a descendant of David. She was far worse than Jezebel. I'm not saying there is a spirit of Athaliah, but I know a woman who sees herself as a leader who has destroyed anyone attempting to do anything for the Lord who she perceives as a threat. Sure acts like Athaliah.
We always hear about the Jezebel Spirit, but alot of people just focus in on her sexuality instead of the power hog, wickedly jealous aspect of her. Since you guys but the Jez in the spot light, can you do one on David's son, Amnon 😃? He is the equivalent. I can't tell you knowing this jerks spirit could save some ladies.
@TheRemnantRadio Zimri was the Shim'onite man that took Kozbi the Midyanite woman into the tent of appointment, and had sex with her there in order to serve other gods. Numbers 25 I think Jezzy was trying to do the same thing before she died: 'let's go 'worship' these gods together; since I look all cute and made up.'
I have, and it left a hand print of a female.. It was a female voice.. covert narcissistic ex who didnt tell me he was married still on paper. He was demonized, I think he knew it. There were times he didnt want me to look into his eyes.
Too many Christians play fast and loose with what is true spiritual activity and what is solely in their own imaginations. Fanciful ideas taken as though they were truth, a dangerous thing that can lead to serious heresy...
Oh that easy... Following in the prestigeous lineage of Herodias, Delilah and Alpo-Jezebel...we have Hillary Rodham Clinton, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Gretchen Witmer, pretty much most female (male too) Democrats in Congress personify her. Most of Hollow-weird and the music industry from Jada Pinket Smith, Gaga, Katy Perry and Beyonce. And finally? Most liberal gays and drag "Yaas Kweens!" like RuPaul. Her spirit that hates God, hates masculine authority, hates Trump because of his bedside manner and the patriarchy. She is the ultimate "I'll be anything you want me to be, baby...for a price."
There is no such spirit as a Jezebel spirit. The spirit that possessed Jezebel is Baal and Sheeva. Jezebel is a woman that was under the influence of Baal. Nebal is the spirit that possessed Ahab. Nebal means stupid. Ahab had the spirit of stupidity.
The Jezebel spirit is simply a controlling spirit (or a strong desire to control) which may or may not be demonic. I believe that it is alluded to in Gen 3:16 (compare with Gen 4:7).
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Well, although I don’t care for the term “a jezebel” or “jezebel spirit” to be overused and passed around attributed to everything demonic, I have felt spiritually oppressed. And I find it helpful to recognize it as a spiritual attack, and call it out “I rebuke you, spirit of lust, in Jesus name. This is not of God, and I see this is of evil, this stops now, in Jesus name.” There is something about identifying it as whether it’s spiritual, or of my flesh, and how I’m to to pray to God about. Am I to repent for my flesh and sin, or rebuke a spiritual entity.
I feel at times there are thoughts, and dreams, that just aren’t what I want to think, or meditate on, or dream about- and my mind gets into a downward spiral, my emotions are affected, and I’m trapped in guilt and shame. That’s when I know I need to “resist” the devil in the power of the name of Jesus.
I liked the examples when the discussion got into “Spirit of Elijah” and “Spirit of antichrist” (there has been written in scripture a lying spirit, spirit of confusion, spirit of infirmity)
The spirit of anti christ is at work in the world, and it has a character profile. Anything that desires to put itself above God, or replace God, and cause you to reject the true gospel message. Anything that draws you away from the lordship of Christ. Progressive church, universalism, new age practices- anything that establishes itself against “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the father except through me” and I find it’s helpful to me to discern what the “spirit” behind situations or teachings are. (beliefs that are being imposed, and its nature and character in comparison to the Word)
I’ve heard pastor Robert Morris speak of a Jezebel spirit and I thought it was interesting. And I could witness to it in action, even if it’s not clearly outlined in scripture, but rather implied according to her character that has been outlined in scripture . Especially in revelations like you spoke of.
If it’s the same person, using the same term for every other person well, it’s probably not being used in the right context. And that person needs to be better instructed.
Overall- I think It actually can be helpful. But like many charismatic abuses, has become far off its original meaning and abused
Beautifully said!
Good response!
Good good! I'll put my signature on "maybe we need to stop talking about it for a season".
I've personally witnessed fights in church where one person plays the "jezebel" card towards another person who was challenging his authority (rightly so he was totally leading people astray big time).
It's being used as a universal trump card many times it seems. If you need to defend yourself but have no good defense because you did so much wrong things, just play the "jezebel" card.
Totally Agree!
I really like Joshua’s tone when explaining things. He always sounds honoring when talking about topics. Roundtree kind of comes off as skeptical and with a hard edge, which is sometimes hard to listen to. Regardless, I love the show. Thanks!
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That is so true about being focused on healing the individual. We shouldn't demonize humans. Awesome discussion!
Hey guys! Love your show! I’m wondering if you could do an episode or segment on contraception? I can’t find any teaching on it and I feel that no one likes to talk about it - but the creation of LIFE is such a HUGE thing. There are texts across the Bible referring to the blessing of children in abundance and a closed womb being something that is negative - but I can’t in my own research find anything supporting the use of contraception? I’m open to both sides and would love some proper theological teaching and debate on this if you could? Or even could someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks so much!
I know it doesn't help when it comes to biblical reasons but I have one simple rule on this. Now, hehe, english ain't my main language, so I don't know the technical terms when it comes to this, but I'll explain it in my words:
If cells from man and woman merge - All means that kills the merged cells, that is forbidden because for all practical purposes this is abortion (early or late doesn't matter to me, it's a termination of a life that just began to exist and thus not right). Any killing of life, no matter how early or late in pregnancy, is imo not allowed according to the bible that says killing is forbidden.
So for me it becomes an abortion related question.
I don't think you will find anywhere in the bible that supports the use of contraceptives - because it wasn't a thing. One guy in particular was commanded to not leave his "stuff" on the ground. But that was him. It's not a general rule.
This also seems to suggest that "jumping off" at the right moment was a thing then as it is now. This is in principle not any different from what you're asking about.
I don't know if that was pointing you in the right direction, and I'm open to listening to other opinions / result of research.
Contraception...abstinence, foam, contraceptive meds., rubbers...use one to PREVENT joining of egg and sperm. Anything after joining is killing a life.
This was a VERY helpful a balanced, Biblical discussion!!! Thank you so much. God bless you all.
I know this is an ungodly thought or belief but I was so against theological discussion and what I thought was just high minded religious debating. I just want to encourage and say God is using this podcast to redeem theological study in my life. I have always been a more feeling person and not very smart so I just presumed theological talk lacked heart which totally isn’t true. Your balanced approach is letting me see the worship and study of God in both Spirit and truth.
That read as pretty smart to me !
People refer the those who betray other people as a “Judas.”
I was always taught in churches to believe in a Jezebel spirit, so I did until I saw this vid. Great Show, informative and eye opening…content is 🔥
At 41:30, Roundtree slams the door and drops the mic on this whole issue. I recommend just skipping to that and stopping when he's done. In those few minutes are all you need to know.
Instead of dividing the demonic realm into specific spirits, people, territories, categories and only certain sins, I point to 1 John 5:19 - the WHOLE WORLD lies under the sway of the wicked one.
Thx for thAt . Eye opener . 41:30 summed it up
Thanks. Exactly right!
Good one
It also takes away from true accountability for our own actions and choices of right and wrong for those who know better I still pray for all and love all 🙏❤️🥰
Great show so far, Jezzy B name-calling making me chuckle.
thanks Reece
Massive bonus points for bringing back Antoine Dodson for the thumbnail art on this video.
Sometimes I am truly amazed at the protectionism that runs in Christian circles. "Jezebel spirit" is simply a term used against people who say things we don't like. I have come to see that we don't like the truth very much, but rather our version of it. Get a group together around a version* of the truth and you could call it a cult. Get an even larger group and you can call it a denomination. All you need to do to be a part of it is leave your mind at the door, forget what you can read for yourself in these sacred books and follow the "hired hand" without question. Since that hired hand has the only direct Revelation from God. The most stinging revelation will finally be that its not just the hired hand, worse its few who actually care about the truth because the version of the truth created by the hired hand makes them feel better.
“The spirit of ho” y’all had me dyyyiiinnggg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can someone please explain to me why Miller called John Paul Jackson a “true” prophet? (Genuine question) I know these guys are charismatic but also have a fundamental foundation of scripture, but I’m a little confused on that statement
Maybe you guys have already done a video on this and I haven’t gotten to it yet (recently discovered this channel), but this is something I have been wondering about for a while.
I have become more familiar with the idea of narcissists in the last several years. I seem to have been in close contact with quite a few. I am having a difficult time framing it in the Biblical worldview. Mental health vs. demonization. I have a loose belief about what it could be, but honestly I’m confused. Some of your conversation in this episode has reminded me of this weird conversation I have in my own head lol. If we label someone a narcissist, what does that mean as far as how we are to treat them? From what I “know,” getting closer with them and trying to get to the point where you can talk to them about your concerns seems to be ineffective because it seems they won’t listen, and it could get turned around on you, etc. I don’t like the idea of giving up on people, but I also don’t want to be in a situation that I know will hurt me further. But the world seems to give up too easily on “toxic” people. So….if you were to do an episode about this sort of thing, I would be ever so grateful.
Loving this channel! Thank you for what you are doing!
I agree about not just giving up on people with narcissistic traits or other toxic behaviors. We should pray for them, with boundaries when needed. It may be just praying for them from afar to avoid the abuse narcissists tend to dish out. Check out Shaneen Megji here on yt. She has alot of information on this from a biblical perspective.
Thanks for the teaching gents - I think the issue might be that - in some circles - it is attributed to women who don’t necessarily tow the line - or who might look for attention negatively- so - as a woman - it feels sexist and controlling. I agree with Michael Brown’s understanding of it being a spiritual principality as such (if that’s what he meant) and can influence both male and female and is prevalent in society. An agenda - manifested by sexual immorality and the death of babies as sacrificial to the evil realm - that is spiritual and specific
I really appreciate the discussions and methodical, balanced approach. I have a question (which may be addressed in one of your videos). I've heard preachers and fellow charismatics talk about casting out the "spirit of fear". Is there biblical reference to back this up? I will refrain from offering my opinion as I'd like to get the take of those who have more time into study.
Jezebel was a queen, but she was also a WITCH as evidenced by when King Jehu said to her son, King Joram:
🔥And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, ‘Is it peace, Jehu?’
And he answered, ‘What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her WITCHcrafts are so many?’🔥 ~ 2 Kings 9:22 (KJV)
She was also adversarial to the Lord’s prophets, which seemingly suggests getting the opportunity to sit at her table to serve her and her gods or face death (1 Kings 18:19). She killed many of the Lord’s prophets as Obadiah told Elijah:
🔥Was it not told my lord what I did when Jezebel slew the prophets of the Lord, how I hid an hundred men of the Lord 's prophets by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water?🔥 ~ 1 Kings 18:13 (KJV)
After Elijah executed judgment against her 450 prophets on Mount Carmel, the remaining 400 prophesied to King Ahab, believing they were under the unction of the Holy Spirit:
🔥’Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.’
But Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near, and smote Micaiah on the cheek, and said, ‘Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee?’🔥 ~ 1 Kings 22:23-24 (KJV)
Elijah was not a coward. And based on how he called down fire that consumed 102 of King Ahaziah’s men, which caused the third captain with his 50 to beg Elijah to spare their lives, it indicates dealing with something spiritual when Jezebel promised to kill him (2 Kings 1:9-15, 1 Kings 19:1-4). Elijah ran for his life, yet he sought death when he asked the Lord to kill him. Jezebel uses spiritual weapons such as fear and confusion (a major sign of witchcraft).
Jezebel was a hardcore unrepentant witch who did not fear God. She was an assassin of the Lord’s prophets, and she ruled over prophets. Similar to how John the Baptist came in the “spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17), the devil raises up his ministers (2 Corinthians 11:13-15), some of whom operate in the spirit of Jezebel.
Anyone with a serious prophetic call on their lives can expect someone with such a spirit to try to seduce him or her into the false prophetic. The person may pose as a potential mentor, intercessor, spouse, or sexual partner. If the seduction fails, the bullying will start, to include releasing evil spirits against a servant of Christ Jesus. The person with such a “spirit” (see Luke 9:52-55) gives “young” prophets something they crave, a recognition of them and their gifts, which oftentimes followed by a willingness to help that person launch/advance in ministry. Therefore, the seduction is not always sexual. It is seductive when a person offers you an opportunity to get recognized, which is what the devil tried with Jesus (Luke 4:5-8). Coming into agreement with such a person (spirit) will result in “spiritual pollution”, such as strange dreams and visions. One way to find out which spirit that person is of is to disagree, which causes things to become heated. That may have been why the church at Thyatira tolerated Jezebel, or as I like to call her, JezebHELL (because that spirit tries to make that person’s life hell on earth). “Jezebel” lashes out when it does not get its way. Many people are familiar with the “narcissistic rage” of someone with “Narcissistic Personality Disorder”. It seems easier to appease such a person instead of potentially “rocking the boat”.
King Ahab was not the coward many people have made him out to be. For example, when the the Syrian king, Benhadad, threatened him and his family, Ahab responded to the challenge with:
🔥Tell him, Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off.🔥 ~ 1 Kings 20:10-11 (KJV)
JezebHELL tries to emasculate and dominate. It presents high intensity, high level spiritual warfare. For some prophets, the attacks are mostly spiritual, which is why they had frequent nightmares as a child or after knowingly or unknowingly coming into contact with someone who operates with a “JezebHELL spirit”. Some people are mislabeled as being a Jezebel, but some people are, therefore, when exposed or simply offended, they seek to retaliate instead to repent. As a prophet or prophetess of the Lord, JezebHELL will seek to be your queen. Do not become JezebHELL’s servant or vessel.🔥⚔️🔥
I totally want a poster of this picture you’ve put up for this video. Too dang funny.
The problem with Jezebel teaching overreach is that it descends into misogeny.
Yes we have to be careful. The women in Jesus lineage, the women He encountered, He treated them well, understanding woman as the helper of man. God knows the devil uses our beauty and mans weak nature to take us down.
42:04 The bible also doesn't teach that posessed people can have blood come out of their eyes but it happens.
And I say this because i actually have this spirit and struggle to get free from it.
I've literally had this thing try to kill me when i listen to deliverance prayers for it and it's very difficult.
It is a term that is used for abused but there are people that legitimately struggle with this.
Also I want to add that yes if you do struggle people will avoid you or they do stop seeing you as a human being and just tend to berate you into coming out of agreement with it and most people have no concept of inner healing.
But this thing does exist and it's terrible.
And it's not vain if you have it. Its not vain if you've experienced it manifesting in you, it's not vain if you've had it turn on you in your own mind and body and kill you, it's not vain if you can't fight it and have no sense of who you are anymore.
I don't want to obsess about it or go around clubbing people with it, I legitimately dont want this thing in my life and it's horrible.
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I see people act and live like Jezebel but I wouldn't say there is a literal and specific Jezebel Spirit. Behind Jezebel's behavior was most likely demonic influence and forces. But when you look at her characteristics it's simply sin but does significant damage because of her influence in leadership. I think 1 Kings 22:21-23 is a good example that Spirits are not of specific kinds but can do specific tasks as needed.
I actually taught in a school where a little 9 year old was named Jezebel.
Would the spirits behind the OT Jezebel not be Baal and Ashera who she worshipped?
@33:20 Great point and this should be a clip
I came here for Roundtree's rant at 41:00 - although my take more aligned with Miller's, I love the passion Roundtree brought to addressing some potential nonsense.
Jezebel had power because of her political influence, and the power of her husband. She didn't need demonic power to have power.
Really great episode!
Laughing so much at 'gussied up' towards the end, I'd never heard it before here in England!
First Lady Jezebel
Is it possible that this same spirit was possessing the woman called Jezebel? We just call the demon that due to the name of such a notorious Old Testament character.
People like to say that the Jezebel spirit is about getting her way and opposing hierarchy... except in the actual story Jezebel was not trying to get *HER* way, nor did she oppose Ahab in any way.
She actually went out of her way to give him what he wanted, enabling *HIS* wrongful desire.
If your theology doesn't even follow what the text is saying then it's just made up.
Someone said the actual spirit is the spirit of shiba not jezebel, curious to see if that will come out on the episode
God bless you. I do encourage Rowntree sharp approach. In a world where everything is nuanced and every edge rounded, we need to draw the line somewhere. The Bible as the point of reference seems good to me. Don't teach your experience, teach the word of God.
Interesting I grew up hearing it as you said Dr. Brown has taught it. I grew up mainly in the AG.
This accusation is used too often and often by those who are operating in a dominating and religious spirit. Many women have been falsely labelled this to abuse them and have been left devastated for years.
Jezebel was one personification of the spirit of whoredoms, mentioned in Hosea 4:12 and 5:4. In as much as there is a spirit of whoredoms, there is definitely a jezebel spirit. all the attributes associated with passages of scripture talking about whoredom/whoring etc, apply exactly to jezebel.
Is there more than one?
The appropriate question is: what does scripture teach? No such teaching exists in scripture that we need to watch out for these various spirits. Squid, python Jez etc.
Thank you!
Miller, I too turned 40 in January. The 20th to be exact.
Love these discussion .. forgive me I’m. It familiar with Mr. Jackson but he was mentioned as a “true prophet”. If he is a true prophet yet there is absolute disagreement with something he says or prophesied , then how can we believe any of what he or someone says if true if we then say they are right in this area but not in that area, that is like some parts of the Bible are true while others are not .. up for correction ☺️
For the same reason a person can be genuinely a good teacher over all but then mess up in teaching a particular topic.
The all or nothing perspective doesn’t work with any of the prophets with the exception of maybe Samuel where “none of his words fell to the ground. Again it’s super important that you don’t equate prophesy with scripture.
Bruh, I'm not even here to watch this yet. I'm here to comment on the funny thumbnail. LOL.
Jezubel Principality!
I can't equate the definition of trinity correlating to defining demon activity.
I think some of these opinions you guys have is simply due to a lack of experience. In theory you may not believe in it but in practice you may see its real. There is a difference between the school of experience and a school of theology. I would be careful saying something doesn't exist just because its no in the Bible. There is no rapture, trinity or a named pastor in all of scripture yet they all exist and are real. Cheers
No one said it didn’t exist. We said we cannot prove that it does based on scripture.
@@michaelmiller5024 Oh ok gotcha I misunderstood what you guys were saying then
Territorial spirits (aka Plato) are different to the demons which are disembodied spirits of dead Nephilim.
So, is there an actual spirit? I'm not sure.
"Book of fulfillment" - good way to put it. How about "spirit of Elijah" = work of the HS as He worked in Elijah's ministry. Same with Jezebel, but obviously an evil spirit.
Why not stay away from labels, people tend to lump things into a label that aren't there.
I don't agree with y'all's assessment of people who are under the influence of this spirit. You can accurately discern the spirit afflicting someone without demonizing them as an individual. Then you can pray against it /
cast it out or take authority over it.
Thank you 👍😊🙏!
The spirit of Jezebel is spoken about in Mystery Babylon why have you not mentioned that? BTW, my interpretation of Mystery Babylon would be America.
I wish I had a nickel for every time Josh said, “uh” and I’d be a billionaire 😅
The Spirit of Joshua was strong on this one.
I know that you did this discussion a while back, but how can so many people have a spirit of Jezebel at the same time? All spiritual beings that have been created cannot be omnipresent. Yes, I believe people are using this term incorrectly and it is just not Biblical. Jezebel is never described as a spirit in Scripture, but always a person. I believe that the woman who Jesus was speaking about in the letter to Thyatira was a member of the church and is why Jesus is calling her to repent. If she wasn't anything to do with the church, then surely Jesus would have directed His words to those believers who were involved with her teaching. His words were as much an accusation to the church in that city. There is no such thing as a spirit of Jezebel, as there is no such thing as a spirit of Ahab or Kundalini. How long before people start saying that there's a spirit of Delilah? Since all of Satan's hordes are against God and His Kingdom, then they all have the same aim. To possess, influence and lead astray as many people against God as they can. They are just hellbent on evil. As Jesus Christ said about Satan, "He's been a liar and a murderer from the beginning." Our fallen nature plays a large part in this as well. Jesus Christ also taught that the human heart is full of all kinds of evil intentions. When He was saying about food not defiling a person, He mentioned that evil comes out of our own hearts and minds. Unfortunately, there has been tendency to overlook what Jesus Christ taught in favour of the deliverance ministry's shift to naming spirits that might be affecting a person. If a person is possessed in any way, they will at some point manifest. Jesus only asked the name of a person possessed once, and I believe He was asking the man his name, but the demons answered instead. In all cases where Jesus used deliverance bar one, He just commanded the demons to leave the person. People in the deliverance ministry particularly, feel that they must identify the demon or spirit and do a great deal of damage as a result. All that's necessary is to command that demon out so that the person can be set free. And of course, some require prayer and fasting alongside. This stuff, when done wrongly just brings the name of Jesus Christ into disrepute. And the world then just thinks that we're all a bunch of nutters, and who could blame them. Thank you for discussing this topic, because this type of teaching needs calling out and exposed for what it is. Amen Michael Roundtree! 🙏
You can't be around nobody like this unless you going to cast The demon out a person like this is very manipulative and like God said bad company creates bad manners a person like this will deceive you the fear that you feel is this person has so much things going on in the background that your spirit knows but you don't know so it's overwhelming it's no joke you will feel everything that this demon feels depending on how powerful this person is the soul tie that would be created what have you going back so many different times if you in a relationship with this person sometimes 20 times God got to bring you out of this you could be in a relation with a person like this for 20 years and never know who they are they will mimic you they will mirror you whenever you get out this relationship you will be a shell of a person because the person like this has no soul God forgive me for saying it but they don't not have no empathy they don't know what's right for wrong I've been around a person like this and I didn't want to accept it but guess what I discovered God in Jesus Christ in the midst of it so let me tell you this is so evil that you just can't even imagine peace and blessings
Athaliah, Jezebel's daughter, killed her grandkids in order to become the only ruler over Judah who was not a descendant of David.
She was far worse than Jezebel. I'm not saying there is a spirit of Athaliah, but I know a woman who sees herself as a leader who has destroyed anyone attempting to do anything for the Lord who she perceives as a threat. Sure acts like Athaliah.
Maybe because people won’t teach properly on it… then the rest of us are left trying to piece sloppy lingo together.
We always hear about the Jezebel Spirit, but alot of people just focus in on her sexuality instead of the power hog, wickedly jealous aspect of her.
Since you guys but the Jez in the spot light, can you do one on David's son, Amnon 😃? He is the equivalent. I can't tell you knowing this jerks spirit could save some ladies.
Michael Miller and Michael rowntree is so funny and cute and smart
I’m so glad you included that demonic laugh 😜😜😂😂
Not them saying Jeze B as in Cardi B 😭😭🤣🤣
@TheRemnantRadio Zimri was the Shim'onite man that took Kozbi the Midyanite woman into the tent of appointment, and had sex with her there in order to serve other gods. Numbers 25
I think Jezzy was trying to do the same thing before she died: 'let's go 'worship' these gods together; since I look all cute and made up.'
Why not look at tbe meaning of Jezebel in old hebrew. Yaza-bal... yaza means coming forth... Baal coming forth or forth coming.
Just remember the blood of Jesus.
I have, and it left a hand print of a female.. It was a female voice.. covert narcissistic ex who didnt tell me he was married still on paper. He was demonized, I think he knew it. There were times he didnt want me to look into his eyes.
I also found out that his now official ex, was a witch.
I’m from Wisconsin and know what you’d mean if you said “gussied up!”
It’s tolerating the spirit that is the point, I think. 😬
It sounds like what culture calls a "Karen" today.
Hey, I have two lungs, I am willing to donate one to Michael! LOL!
I don’t agree with the thumbnail - could of used a different image
It's hilarious lol
Spirit of "Ho" 🤣🤣🤣 oh that killed me.
Jezabell - Userpts the athority of the King .
The carnal mind ,,,, and the mind of Christ at war . Be Transformed
Too many Christians play fast and loose with what is true spiritual activity and what is solely in their own imaginations. Fanciful ideas taken as though they were truth, a dangerous thing that can lead to serious heresy...
Run run for your life.
😂 Great intro
Kings & Leaders are supposed to be Godly!
Oh that easy... Following in the prestigeous lineage of Herodias, Delilah and Alpo-Jezebel...we have Hillary Rodham Clinton, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Gretchen Witmer, pretty much most female (male too) Democrats in Congress personify her. Most of Hollow-weird and the music industry from Jada Pinket Smith, Gaga, Katy Perry and Beyonce. And finally? Most liberal gays and drag "Yaas Kweens!" like RuPaul. Her spirit that hates God, hates masculine authority, hates Trump because of his bedside manner and the patriarchy. She is the ultimate "I'll be anything you want me to be, baby...for a price."
I think it's more a result of the curse than a type of specific spirit. Gen 3:16
Jezzy B
Got some feelings 😂 44:00
Delilah spirit and python spirit too
There is no such spirit as a Jezebel spirit. The spirit that possessed Jezebel is Baal and Sheeva. Jezebel is a woman that was under the influence of Baal. Nebal is the spirit that possessed Ahab. Nebal means stupid. Ahab had the spirit of stupidity.
The Jezebel spirit is simply a controlling spirit (or a strong desire to control) which may or may not be demonic. I believe that it is alluded to in Gen 3:16 (compare with Gen 4:7).
The guy in the baseball hat....is just....wrong.
The spirit of ho 😆
So I have been watching several of your video's and just over all don't like it, your views, takes, and how you present your views. just going to unsubscribe.
What about Hillary Clinton?
Not a thing.
“the spirit of ho”
Jezzy B ... 😁😂
Of course there is she’s a narcissist
Y’all are too… middle of the road. Lol jk
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