11:29 I actually kinda love the idea that Doctor Mario’s doctorate is a PhD. Like he didn’t get an MD at all, he’s like a doctor of Philosophy and is just playing dress-up.
First of all, little mac is bottom 4 lmao Second, he surprisingly wins or evens some top tier matchups like roy. Also he completely sweeps the floor with dedede and ganondorf.
Steve isn't even that powerful. People just can't adapt to creativity because they only know how to pre-plan combos and can't do shit if they can't land their 0 to death combo
I really enjoyed the talk show but it is a personal thing I think he should make a second channel where he just does these podcast/gameplay vids with various ppl And on the main channel this educational stuff is really good
On Samus/Olimar: There's no one thing that really makes the matchup worst, it's just a combination of a lot of small things. He's small, making him hard to hit and combo. He's able to basically make a wall with Pikmin that completely stops projectiles, including totally shutting down all levels of Charge Shot for basically no commitment on Olimar's end. Samus doesn't have super early kill confirms, so relies on building up a lot of damage on her opponent, but Olimar out-damages her with passive Pikmin damage. And Samus doesn't have a great way to knock Pikmin off of her - Screw Attack is great but leaves her vulnerable, and Up air or Nair only work for certain angles. And finally, Samus has good up-close options unless the opponent has disjoints, and every Pikmin is a disjointed attack.
It's great that you're making an update because even at the time I did not think Duck Hunt's worst matchup was Lucina. Can't wait to see what you chose in part 2.
He's always been a lot of worst matchups but he can't deal with swordies which has always been meta. I also think mute is a bit biased, I don't really struggle with gnw. I think the matchup is even or -1.
something else about pit vs diddy that he doesnt mention is how pit just cant use down b against diddy kong due to monkey flip. down b is pits most useful move in disadvantage by far, and its just useless against diddy.
As a Yoshi main, seeing that he gets countered by Shulk, at least according to this video, I’m not mad at all. It’s no wonder why my games against Shulks are a lot closer than most other games, but I’m still able to put up a good fight. Also, I loathe Jigglypuff, so according to this video, Yoshi was made for me…
As one of two dozen currently living Mewtwo mains, Bayo is a huge pain but not quite as brutal as Fox or Falco. Falco in particular has that huge, quick, disjointed reflector to defend against shadow ball, and his combo game combined with Mewtwo's size and weight make the matchup pretty grisly. Both him and Fox just have every tool a character would want to mess Mewtwo up
Despite kazuya and steve's addition to the game I still think min-min was the biggest mistake. I still don't understand how anyone could have ever thought that would be a good addition to the game
I agree. She’s an example of probably the biggest issue with lot of the DLC characters and some of the non DLCs. The dev team was too experimental and failed to actually have these characters stick in an actual archetype and giving them the benefits of certain archetypes w/o actually giving them the typical weaknesses of these archetypes to help balance them out. In min-mins case she a zoner but lacks projectile hitboxes to actually function like a true zoner so reflectors do nothing and she can endlessly spam her arm attacks in a braindead fashion, hardly ever putting herself at risk. Her also having good upclose get off me options was also an awful idea.
At least min min isn't super overtuned and has a pretty bad recovery, the nerfs to her nair in the last patch were very good at making her weaker up close
Watching the video, I was actually kind of surprised that ice climbers didn’t show up! I would’ve expected ice climbers to be one of foxes worst matchups given how Big D vs Light went. Awesome video though!
Saying Doctor Mario’s PhD has only made him more lazy and even slower felt like a personal attack. I’m about to finish my PhD and it has had the exact same effect on me
Couple things, this is commenting on both this and the followup video: Very interesting and well researched overall, love how you elaborated on every mu and why they are bad. 1. Yoshi's worst mu is definitely Samus. Shulk is bad on paper but it's actually a matchup that Yoshi wins a lot and he has a lot of win conditions. Even in the clip you used, Ranger loses to Pharaoh way more than he wins lol. Samus is genuinely difficult and the Yoshis are LOSING that mu in practice, just look at Yoshidora vs Yuara(?). 2. There's no way that Meta Knight is K Rool's worst mu. It's probably Falco, Palu, or surprisingly Mii Gunner (look that one up, he quite literally will never get back to stage if gunner spams the grenades at ledge at a specific point). 3. Incineroar's worst matchup definitely isn't Zero Suit, I actually don't know if it comes close. From the good Incin's I've spoken to it's probably Min min or Mario. Skyjay vs Proto and Kurama at summit really highlights this. Min min also has the same justification as ganon (both characters are slow, have bad recoveries, and no tools to reliably deal with arms). 4. Mario's worst matchup is probably Ice Climbers, as he literally can't play the game against them as opposed to shulk. Mario mains win against Shulk fairly frequently, there are plenty of VODs out there, but you'll never see one beat an Ice Climbers on or near the level of Big D, it looks unwinnable, especially if you watched the Summit Set. Still a great video though some of these picks are mad confusing!
@@k-leb4671 Yoshi has a lower barrier to entry and an easier gameplan than Shulk and Shulk's gameplan to win forces him to win neutral over and over. He has to keep the yoshi out with well-spaced aerials but if he makes any mistakes, especially in buster, yoshi will just blow him up with combos/advantage state. He also has other win conditions like edge guarding with offstage nairs + it can be hard for shuilk to edgeguard him back because of the eggs + DJ armor. It's still bad for Yoshi but the Shulk has to work harder.
Zelda main here, I'd say the hardest matchup is probably Palutena. Palu has fast and safe disjoints that are hard to deal with, significantly faster movement speed, and the ability to play the zoning game with Zelda and force an approach. On top of that she is quite tricky for Zelda to edgeguard.
I don’t think Palu has the range like ZSS. And although she can camp I don’t think it’s too hard to deal with as Zelda having Nayrus and phantom to hide behind. So ultimately she does have approach and get fairly close compared to ZSS
@@carcharo7 I was debating whether or not Palu or ZSS as the hardest. I think on stage zss’s range and movement options makes it almost impossible for zelda to catch. At the same time zss has to pick her spots very well to find kills since zelda otherwise zelda can do some good damage or potentially kill early with lightning kick or up b. So I find the matchup to be extremely slow with neither character wanting to approach but zss just has significantly better tools. Both matchups are pretty bad for zelda. ZSS will run away and win, but palu can just run zelda over and shut down anything she tries
@@the_knees_bees interesting, I find that becasue ZSS has zair, and nair she can apply pressure and you have no way to counter. But at least with Palu all her moves are close enough that a missspaced fair can punish. Or you can go for a read. But with ZSS there’s less chance to do that
15:00 Believe it or not, Ganon does have some wiggle room against those 2. Against Min Min, he can edgeguard her extremely well, and he has some way to deal with ARMS through clanking. Fun fact: Dragon Arm can't shoot the laser if it gets clanked (not Ganon specific but it's good info). Against Steve, blocks and minecarts become less of a problem due to Ganon's raw power, he can even Up-b Steve in minecart. With that said, I do agree that they're still difficult, and are by no means easy MUs, I just wanted to shed a little bit of light on 2 MUs I unironically love as Ganon. If you see this Poppt, great video as always!
Here are the characters' worst matchups in roster order, with parentheses around characters whose worst matchup is Steve that have alternate options. Samus/Dark Samus: Pichu, Pokemon Trainer Yoshi: Jigglypuff Pikachu: Roy, Sonic Luigi: Fox Mr. Game and Watch: (Donkey Kong), Pikachu, Captain Falcon, Peach/Daisy, Falco Roy: Ike Zero Suit Samus: Mr. Game and Watch, Meta Knight Diddy Kong: Pit/Dark Pit Olimar: Samus/Dark Samus, (Wario) Sonic: (Kirby), Marth/Lucina Wolf: Zero Suit Samus Mega Man: Snake Palutena: Ness Pac-Man: (Sheik), Diddy Kong Shulk: Mario, Yoshi, Dr. Mario Cloud: Young Link Bayonetta: Mewtwo Joker: Zelda, Chrom Min Min: Ice Climbers, (Ganondorf) Steve: Donkey Kong, Kirby, Bowser, Sheik, Ganondorf, Wario Sephiroth: Luigi, Lucas Pyra/Mythra: Link Kazuya: (Bowser)
Pichu probably struggles more against dark Samus than regular Samus because the charge shot can hit while holding ledge whereas Samus’ shot sails right over the head.
5:16 as a Luigi main when sephiroth came out people were like ONLY playing him on elite smash and I got so damn good at the matchup that I see it as pretty much even for me. Lowkey swordies I can handle but it’s projectile spammers I hate to go against.
Honestly, I could maybe up the chances of Young Link beating Cloud. I don't camp out like everybody else, and I use his agility to land blows really quickly and keep opponents in the air. But Cloud is also another one of my mains, and I've done this match-up before, and that didn't go well... It's still another bad match-up though.
About Sonic, indeed he's a character that forces you to play his game. I'm a Wolf main and I have a rushdown playstyle, getting up close and personal. But against Sonic, I'm forced to change that and camp him. But by doing that, I'd dare say Wolf becomes quite the complicated matchup for Sonic. The laser can completely neutralize Sonic's spin dash on the ground. Also, with his great air mobility, you can just jump over Sonic and then he can't connect that Spin Dash. When playing on a stage with platforms, and Sonic wants to use the homming attack, camping him by staying under a platform does the trick quite easily. On FD, you can camp him too until he finishes the move and then punish him. Unfortunately, it becomes a game of "who tires the other out faster", and it's one of the most boring matches ever. But it works in the end.
problem is Sonic already knows he has to play lame sometimes and so any good Sonic will Just avoid laser until you make a Little mistaske and BAM dashes at you
So I will state some counter points on the snake one. He can actually low profile the jab/nair lemons, crash bomb, and to an extent, bair. While his projectiles can be slowed a little, snake can still use them as area denial. As for the up air bit, simply letting go of cipher early can somewhat counteract it and can also drop and detonate c4s on a megaman who isn’t paying attention.
As a Lucas player, I agree, I despise Sephiroth. I feel like Sephiroth was designed to counter Lucas, due to the long sword (Lucas hates swords) and his advantage state.
the amazing air mobility and dj superarmor means its really hard to get edgeguards or rest confirms as puff on yoshi i havent played vs yoshi very often but it seems like a pain to deal with
Yoshi is actually very vulnerable off-stage and Puff has excellent edgeguard tools. The reason puff struggles is probably more because she can't travel vertically nearly as fast as Yoshi so he can avoid the edgeguard most of the time
It is true Sonic has a hard time hitting pikachu especially with all those projectiles stopping Sonic since he can’t power through them. Any small character in general does make Sonic actually struggle, and if you add him trying to jump over fast projectiles it just becomes more complicated.
@@johannessguten2527 He is since Fox can’t really evade as much as pikachu with his impossible hit boxes that are like 2 times his size when attacking but regular when evading
@@serg.i0 fox is much better at catching sonic though than pichu, ledge trapping sonic and trapping his landings. You basically trade safety for more advantage between the 2
I'm no Sephiroth or Lucas main, but I think the nail in the coffin for Lucas v Sephiroth is that Lucas' magnet doesn't cover himself, so he can't absord side B
This is incorrect, Lucas will always absorb the orbs with his PSI Magnet. I don’t really even think Sephiroth is Lucas’ worst matchup, he can be tricky if he decides to play around his range but just play aggressive and overwhelm them and you’ll more than likely win. Sephiroth has 2 projectiles that can be reflected and absorbed plus if Lucas hits Sephiroth’s counter with stick, it’ll reflect back at him and almost always kill.
@@dey6942 Lucas main here. Perhaps anytime I've played against Sephiroth I've just gotten lucky, but I wouldn't have thought he's the worst matchup. I think Cloud has consistently given me trouble in just about any match. All of Cloud's aerials in neutral and charging limit if trying to camp get me everytime
@@joshdormaier6330 a good cloud can be quite tricky at times especially since he has great aerials and Lucas’ disadvantage is so bad. As a fellow Lucas main I think my worst matchups are Bayo, Byleth, and Palutena. Palu and Byleth have a better version of Lucas nair which forces me to approach differently and play a way I don’t prefer to. Bayonetta players give me trouble mostly because I still to this day have no idea how her recovery works.
As an Ike main who has conversed with pretty much all the top Ike mains, the matchup most consistently viewed as his worst is ROB. Roy is bad, but ROB is worse-Ike can't get any advantage state going and just dies offstage.
"Diddy has more range than Pt and Dark Pit, which doesn't make sense since Pit has a sword" MANY non-swordies can outrange Pit. It's a sucky life to live, lol.
I agree with most of this, though it is noteworthy that some characters worst matchups are not even that bad because they are just that good. Some things I want to add is that Wario hates Sonic (Im not sure if its his worst matchup but it is very bad), and Sonic may not lose any matchups but either Fox or Pyra/Mythra comes pretty close.
The reason esam thinks that Pikachu beats sonic is because in theory Pikachu can out time-out sonic because of t-jolt and quick attack and better reward for winning neutral interactions, fox and aegis may seem bad because they can catch sonic, but they are also extremely vulnerable to getting gimped, and if they lose first stock against sonic, the match is essentially over
@@johannessguten2527 literal blatant misinformation, go look at what frame all of sonics normals are on ultimate frame data, also he out ground speeds them which creates a gap for him to use spindash, a move that is literally invincible
@@missing6747 that doesn’t mean sonic has good frame data your assuming a fox wolf position himself to run into spin dash when he can shot a laser or two if sonic commits to spin dash
A good way to make sure that every entry on this list was updated from the last video and to make every entry more unique would be to give two or three picks for each character
Really weird for the bowser matchup, I honestly never knew that bowser struggled cause I always seem to come out on top even against good kazuya players. Online at least
So I play Samus, but I've never bothered to go out of my way to look at top player matchup charts to gauge matchup opinions. But when I saw Olimar on screen, it felt like I've known it in my soul for ages. Those little carrots block literally everything, and him being short makes it obnoxious to try to box with him. Edit: For PT, I'd actually say Squirtle is more obnoxious than Ivysaur. I mean all three are easy to deal with, but Squirtle can sometimes squeeze under medium charge shot from regular Samus (Not Dark though. Interestingly, Dark Samus' lower CS release makes it optimal in both our best and worst MUs). But a medium CS chews through Razor Leaf on reaction and usually hits Ivysaur for it. And if Ivysaur has to recover, morph bomb just says "no".
I like the thought and effort into this video, it's a fun listen! Great video Jordan! And I wanna say, I definitely agree with Seph as one of Luigi's worst matchups, but I feel like Rosa is the worst MU, then Min Min, then Seph, from what I have experienced and observed.
11:12 Imo ZSS is Zelda's worst matchup. She really suffers because she doesnt have enough time to set anything up before ZSS weaves through and completely decimates her, and even if she does manage to get something set up it only connects maybe 20% of the time because ZSs can just get away. On top of that, ZSS has nutty frame data and respectable reach on nearly everything thats actually important. The only way I can beat ZSS with Zelda is by using hard reads and prayers lol
Ice climbers have surprisingly good matchups against many top tiers like Pikachu, Mario, Joker and can even get a little handsy with Steve. But Min Min and Sephiroth just MELT the poor dears
in my opinion sonics worst matchups (though they still could be considered even) are pika, aegis, and fox. They all can match his speed enough, and have a lot of tools that help in the matchup.
Pika - Sonic might be losing for Pika. Even is a safe bet but not Sonic's worst. Fox is the hardest MU. Mythra just doesn't kill like Fox for it to be as bad
Lucas main here, although sephiroth is definitely pain and suffering, it is nothing compared to the paid of game and watch. G&W can absorb all of Lucas’s projectiles and his juggling is almost impossible to escape with Lucas’s kit.
im so glad you said this about joker and chrom. I have been up two stocks vs a joker and they just get arsene and kill me at like 30% with his counter. Other characters like palutena or lucina chrom can perfectly space his up special and dodge the counters(this is honestly hard to do consistently), but joker hits no matter WHERE chrom up specials. Way below the stage? getting hit. All the way to the right? hit. Even at the end, coming straight down it stops chrom where he is and gets hit. Joker is the reason im trying to learn other characters since having THAT glaring of a weakness and disadvantage just makes me not want to play. Especially when joker is obviously top 5 and is seen everywhere.
if we have to say a bad matchup for Sonic is fox, pikachu loses because sonic has better camp than him and fox can always stay close to you and leave you no stage or time to think, which forces you to play in a very different and unique way, but it's still even lmao
Counterargument for Kirby against Sonic: Copy ability, being able to take Sonic's neutral B turns the tides of the matchup heavily. And as for approaching, I've personally never had too big of an issue on approach to Sonic when compared to other characters, but neutral B is pretty good for approach as well and for getting hits in after you send them into the air with an up tilt or up smash. And, personally, I'd say Kirby's worst match up is Pikachu since when you try to get close while dodging rolling electricity, Pikachu will just start a combo in the air if you don't start one first. (By the way, I'm a Kirby main, in case it wasn't obvious. By no means am I on a professional level, but I'd say I'm pretty decent as Kirby.)
@@kyurei4478 Falco is hard, but if you play against a good reaction based fox character than its unwinnable. Yoshi is another hard one. Cloud is also tough.
@@vnomercy5760 I disagree for Fox. You have to be a very good Mewtwo at disadvantage yourself but it's not unwinnable, just very hard. And Fox dies extremely early. Falco is heavier, can combo you more easily, edgeguards you and counters Mewtwo's entire kit better than Fox does. Yoshi dominates you in the air and eggs are very distracting. Cloud is doable to me. The biggest problem is the limit.
I think it's crazy that Sonix lost to Riddle's Terry. It seems Terry has that x factor that other characters who lose the matchup don't: deals high damage on small strings and trades, and has a go meter so even if they're combo'd to high percents, they have go.
Kazyua v Bowser **is not that bad at all**. It’s hardly losing. Kazyua’s neutral is the only thing that makes the matchup difficult. Kazyua’s has a terrible disadvantage, terrible off stage, and can’t get back from the ledge. Yeah we get comboed, but that’s about it
I don't understand how Zelda's worst matchup is Joker lmao, he's not easy to deal with as her, but he's not exactly a problem any more than other high tiers. As a Zelda main, let me explain that Zelda is a defensive character; her only approach option is to down b and go in with some jank shit. She can't attack, she can only punish and defend and be scrappy when her opponent fucks up their approach. As such, any character who has no trouble approaching, or who can circumvent her frame traps and ledge traps, totally blows her out of the water because not only can she not approach anyways, but she won't even be able to defend. Sonic is probably her worst matchup because she has zero answer to spin dash bullshit (she is never going to approach anyways so he can just hold it indefinitely if he wants), and special shout out to Chrom/Roy who have disjoints and outspeed her though they do suck big fat hairy doodar if she manages to get them off stage. Also any character who forces her to approach (Steve, G&W) dunks on her if she does because a 35 frame dash attack with 6 active frames isn't exactly a solid approach option. I get it. Nobody plays Zelda. She was out of date even back in Melee when she was introduced, and nobody wants to talk to a Zelda main, but yeah, Joker not that hard with the caveat he is a high tier so he should beat her every time, but still. Zelda can wait out Arsene with the help of her specials which are designed specifically to protect her and then go for the grab mixup every time he goes for down b persona charge meter bullshit off her phantom because, surprise surprise, Zelda can move while phantom is out. The fact you dedicate less than a minute to talking about her and admit nobody makes match-up charts for a character who hasn't been played in 3+ years proves you just threw all the high tiers into a hat then drew one at random for her LMAO
8:46 As a Bowser main who’s played a lot of the game by now, I completely disagree with what is being said here, especially about the Kazuya mu. It’s extremely hard for both of these characters to win neutral, if one of them wins the other is taking 0-100% before they can do anything, hence why this mu is often considered Truely even for Bowser. Steve I can understand but bowser doesn’t struggle with Steve as much as the little electric rat. Pikachu has been widely agreed apon worst mu for bowser because he’s a big target for pika’s multihit chains with fair and bair and makes it very difficult for bowser to win neutral thanks to their mashy based playstyle.
As a Bowser player, I think that Pika MU is better than Steve MU for Bowser cuz Pika isn't very good at killing, but Steve has countless kill confirms. Steve is also heavier than Pikachu, making the block-man harder to take stocks. With good timing, Steve can also ignore hits by pressing the B button at lower percentages, forcing Bowser to go for grabs and side-B until Steve's around 50%. I still believe that Bowser's 2nd worst MU is Pika. I def agree on the Kazuya MU, since Bowser has better OoS, Ledge-trapping, and edge-guarding game than Kazuya. Bowser can also use N-air as a landing option out of disadv. too, not only D-air and Down-B.
@@ethansura yeah same I used to not worry about Steve as much but now that I think about it Steve mains keep learning new stuff about the character and more effective ways to use their tools which make the mu annoying so yeah, def agree that the Steve mu gets worse for bowser as time goes on.
Hi there poppt, whilst steve is a bad matchup for DK (-2 at least) he still suffers more vs GnW, pikachu, young link, mega man and there are a few others about as bad as steve but I'm not sure which is worse (sheik, bayonetta, zero suit, samus)
I was thinking Falco for Zelda. Zelda hates characters able to rush her down as she has almost no fast, reliable option besides Nair (Which is an inconsistent move). Remaining options are Dash Attack, Jab (which is also an oddity compared to most of the cast as she only has one hit instead of a multiple part combo so she doesn't move while doing it), her mediocre tilts (Up Tilt only true combos with the back hit and is pretty small for an anti-air, F-Tilt's a decent kill move with the sweetspot but nothing to write home about besides that, D-Tilt to Fair sometimes works with not much else you can do but bait/read an air dodge out of it), and Neutral B or Up B out of shield to get people off her in neutral (Second hit of Up-B is also DIable so some characters can get away with only the sour spot hitting them.) She has to fish for grabs or reads for fair/bair sweetspots and up air to get any real distance. (All of which she is punished for missing.) Therefore, she can't use her strongest point, Phantom when people are in her face all the time. The speed of Falco, the laser to interrupt Phantom summoning from almost anywhere on stage so long as he faces her (Unless she does the difficult displacement tech) and the mileage Falco gets from any combo starter he can easily hit because of Zelda's unsafe moves. On top of all that, he has a reflector. As a Zelda main, it's torturous.
I have a good zelda in my area and they say joker still. Counter makes all the slow projectiles an awful risk reward to throw out and joker is so fast, zelda can't really play neutral. She also gets edgeguarded decently badly since teleport startup can be caught by back air or gun and she can just die off that from any percent. Basically the whole matchup is just bad risk reward.
This video if it was honest: Ok lets get into it, every characters worst matchup: Steve. Steve is even Steve's worst matchup. No other character is nearly as good as Steve.
Sorry for not making it last stream. Just by the time you started, I was already asleep. Regardless, I enjoyed getting to know what each character's worst matchup in detail even though I'm a casual.
Back when I went to tournaments (I was not particularly good mind you), I had a player that would always play Jigglypuff. Every game, friendly or not… EXCEPT when I played Yoshi. Me, not knowing why, asked him. He told me to play a game then and it was lowkey miserable for BOTH of us and I won despite him being the way better player lmfao
Auto-reticle is another reason why the Palu-Ness matchup is so bad. It can gimp his recover at most higher angles of recovery and his ascending speed is so bad at the start of his second jump, it will eat it a lot of the time if timed right. It also clanks and stuffs out his up special with the right timing too.
havent watched it yet but from what ive seen of personal experience + watching tourneys + top play MU charts most non swordie top-of-top-tiers tiers' worst matchups are gnw (rob, peach, pika, fox) iirc kaz, roy, snake, wario, samus, mario, etc. do pretty bad vs gnw
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11:29 I actually kinda love the idea that Doctor Mario’s doctorate is a PhD. Like he didn’t get an MD at all, he’s like a doctor of Philosophy and is just playing dress-up.
Playing dress-up and prescribing tons of pills
He's a glorified pharmacist.
Sorta like a psychiatrist.
Playing dress up and throwing fentanyl capsules at people
I am Dr. Mario and I am saving lives
The Philosophy of Down Air 🙏
watch it all be steve
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Steve is the best in the game but hes not that insanely broken calm down lol.
@@Wienerdog5people acting like he’s brawl meta knight with no losing matchups or even matchups.
He literally breaks the game
@@plabcentral630 yeah it's crazy.
0:42 Mario: Shulk
1:10 Donkey Kong: Steve/G&W
2:01 Link: Pythra
2:29 Samus/Dark Samus: Olimar
2:49 Yoshi: Shulk
3:26 Kirby: Steve/Sonic
3:48 Fox: Luigi
4:34 Pikachu: G&W
5:16 Luigi: Sephiroth
5:33 Ness: Palutena
6:16 Captain Falcon: G&W
6:58 Jigglypuff: Yoshi
7:25 Peach/Daisy: G&W
8:45 Bowser: Steve/Kazuya
9:19 Ice Climbers: Min-Min
9:52 Shiek: Steve/Pac-Man
10:53 Zelda: Joker
11:29 Dr. Mario: Shulk
11:42 Pichu: Samus
12:28 Falco: G&W
13:10 Marth/Lucina: Sonic
13:45 Young Link: Cloud
14:45 Ganondorf: Steve/Min-Min
15:14 Mewtwo: Bayonetta
16:20 Roy: Pikachu
17:27 Chrom: Joker
18:22 G&W: ZSS
19:33 Meta Knight: ZSS
20:00 Pit/Dark Pit: Diddy Kong
20:53 ZSS: Wolf
22:12 Wario: Steve/Olimar
23:05 Snake: Mega Man
23:56 Ike: Roy
24:36 Pokemon Trainer: Samus
25:03 Diddy Kong: Pac-Man
26:11 Lucas: Sephiroth
26:44 Sonic: Pikachu/None?
You're welcome
I'll do the rest when part(s) 2/3 come out
You are the real MVP.
All parts are out, can you tag me when you’re done?
I hope ppl like you have the best of days and the best of nights lol
@@mranxiety9995 Sorry, I’ve been really busy this week. I think I should be able to do it tomorrow though
tysm much bro
For Little Mac there is no single worst matchup. There is just the rest of the roster.
I mean there are like three notable exceptions (according to alternis a high level mdva mac player) with those being terry, sheik, and icies
Little Mac worst matchup ledgetrapping
...except Ganondorf
First of all, little mac is bottom 4 lmao
Second, he surprisingly wins or evens some top tier matchups like roy. Also he completely sweeps the floor with dedede and ganondorf.
@@impossiblehanley2732 Read my comment again before trying to "correct me" lol I and everyone else knows he's awful.
I appreciate you giving the alternate worst matchup when a character’s worst is Steve, he really did change the meta a lot
He even changed it too much !!
Well what about cloud?😭 I don't remember their names but I remember this cloud absolutely destroying a Steve
@@psykoxxkillr7271 Cloud player is that much better, it's winning fot Steve
To me Steve looks like a test to see how much you have to push a slow character in Smash until he’s overtuned
Steve isn't even that powerful. People just can't adapt to creativity because they only know how to pre-plan combos and can't do shit if they can't land their 0 to death combo
0:45 Mario
1:10 Donkey Kong
2:02 Link
2:29 Samus/Dark Samus
2:47 Yoshi
3:26 Kirby
3:49 Fox
4:34 Pikachu
5:16 Luigi
5:34 Ness
6:16 Captain Falcon
6:59 Jigglypuff
7:25 Peach
8:45 Bowser
9:19 Ice Climbers
9:52 Sheik
10:52 Zelda
11:29 Dr. Mario
11:42 Pichu
12:28 Falco
13:10 Marth/Lucina
13:44 Young Link
14:44 Ganondorf
15:14 Mewtwo
16:19 Roy
17:27 Chrom
18:21 Mr. Game & Watch
19:33 Meta-Knight
20:00 Pit/Dark Pit
20:53 Zero Suit Samus
22:11 Wario
23:04 Snake
23:56 Ike
24:35 Pokémon Trainer
25:03 Diddy Kong
26:11 Lucas
26:44 Sonic
little mac doesn't exist 😥
@@Lightserzy inkling doesn’t exist 😢
Thank you
Bowser Jr?
Where is Wolf?
Please keep making these more educational/longer videos, that arent just gameplay, they are rly good
I really enjoyed the talk show but it is a personal thing I think he should make a second channel where he just does these podcast/gameplay vids with various ppl
And on the main channel this educational stuff is really good
@@megacrafter961 oh yeah the Tcnick vid was rly good
Maybe the next one can be every character’s best matchup
Agreed
On Samus/Olimar:
There's no one thing that really makes the matchup worst, it's just a combination of a lot of small things. He's small, making him hard to hit and combo. He's able to basically make a wall with Pikmin that completely stops projectiles, including totally shutting down all levels of Charge Shot for basically no commitment on Olimar's end. Samus doesn't have super early kill confirms, so relies on building up a lot of damage on her opponent, but Olimar out-damages her with passive Pikmin damage. And Samus doesn't have a great way to knock Pikmin off of her - Screw Attack is great but leaves her vulnerable, and Up air or Nair only work for certain angles. And finally, Samus has good up-close options unless the opponent has disjoints, and every Pikmin is a disjointed attack.
I assume it was editor's decision but googling what year is it just feels like the most poppt1 thing
"how many ants are there in the world"
@@domotron3598 “Ants have jobs”
That’s so many ants
It's great that you're making an update because even at the time I did not think Duck Hunt's worst matchup was Lucina.
Can't wait to see what you chose in part 2.
It’s really surprising just how many characters fare badly against G&W. He’s such an underappreciated character.
Mute ace thinks he’s busted
@@oatmeal2goskits492he is busted
Maister was the king of this video
Don't you mean broken/overpowered? He is also consistently present in high placements across tier lists.
He's always been a lot of worst matchups but he can't deal with swordies which has always been meta. I also think mute is a bit biased, I don't really struggle with gnw. I think the matchup is even or -1.
something else about pit vs diddy that he doesnt mention is how pit just cant use down b against diddy kong due to monkey flip. down b is pits most useful move in disadvantage by far, and its just useless against diddy.
I hadn’t even thought about that!
Ofc a minor characters worst matchup is Diddy
YES! This series is back! Can you make another tierlist too
Love that shulk has a lot of good matchips and he’s barely been changed through patches
I freaking love Shulk
@@Spyder-Marth so do I. I've been maining him since sm4sh even though i haven't played xenoblade until ultimate.
@@dhark1166
I main as Pyra and Mythra. Never played Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
@@transcendentsacredcourage I recommend Torna ~ The Golden Country, it's shorter than the original game but it has a better first impression.
As a Yoshi main, seeing that he gets countered by Shulk, at least according to this video, I’m not mad at all. It’s no wonder why my games against Shulks are a lot closer than most other games, but I’m still able to put up a good fight. Also, I loathe Jigglypuff, so according to this video, Yoshi was made for me…
As one of two dozen currently living Mewtwo mains, Bayo is a huge pain but not quite as brutal as Fox or Falco. Falco in particular has that huge, quick, disjointed reflector to defend against shadow ball, and his combo game combined with Mewtwo's size and weight make the matchup pretty grisly. Both him and Fox just have every tool a character would want to mess Mewtwo up
actuially yea that makes sense falco sounds a lot worse than bayo
⚠️Spoilers from the video ⚠️
The Predator podium(part 1):
Honorable mention: Steve - 6
1°: Mr game and watch - 5
2°: Shulk - 3
3°:Sonic - 2
Min-min - 2
Joker - 2
Zero Suit Samus - 2
Olimar - 2
Samus - 2
Pacman - 2
Sephiroth - 2
Pikachu - 2
12°: Pyra/Mythra - 1
Lucina - 1
Luigi - 1
Palutena - 1
Yoshi - 1
Kazuya - 1
Snake - 1
Cloud - 1
Bayonetta - 1
Diddy Kong - 1
Wolf - 1
MegaMan - 1
Roy - 1
dishonorable mention
13:40 fun fact, in this clip proto beats Ken's sonic with only lucina, resets the bracket and wins again with only lucina
Any character against dedede is terrifying. He's too... crouch animation
Despite kazuya and steve's addition to the game I still think min-min was the biggest mistake. I still don't understand how anyone could have ever thought that would be a good addition to the game
I like Min Min
I agree. She’s an example of probably the biggest issue with lot of the DLC characters and some of the non DLCs. The dev team was too experimental and failed to actually have these characters stick in an actual archetype and giving them the benefits of certain archetypes w/o actually giving them the typical weaknesses of these archetypes to help balance them out. In min-mins case she a zoner but lacks projectile hitboxes to actually function like a true zoner so reflectors do nothing and she can endlessly spam her arm attacks in a braindead fashion, hardly ever putting herself at risk. Her also having good upclose get off me options was also an awful idea.
@@FallingandRelaxing Try playing against a decent min min with any low mobility character and see how fast that changes
i dont think sakurai wanted to add minmin, I think nintendo forced him to so they could advertise arms
At least min min isn't super overtuned and has a pretty bad recovery, the nerfs to her nair in the last patch were very good at making her weaker up close
Watching the video, I was actually kind of surprised that ice climbers didn’t show up! I would’ve expected ice climbers to be one of foxes worst matchups given how Big D vs Light went. Awesome video though!
ICE CLIMBERS DID SHOW UP IT WAS MIN MIN
It's at 9:20
@@jonemillesteri think he means as the worst matchup for another character
In response, ice climbers fox is considered to be one of the worst if not worst mus for fox. I cant explain it too well, but I know people who can
kino angel beats avatar
Saying Doctor Mario’s PhD has only made him more lazy and even slower felt like a personal attack. I’m about to finish my PhD and it has had the exact same effect on me
I love these deep dives! I can tell how much thought and care you put into this and it really shows. Great work!
“And Palutena is like Lebron James” is perfect out of context. Great insight Jordan!
Couple things, this is commenting on both this and the followup video:
Very interesting and well researched overall, love how you elaborated on every mu and why they are bad.
1. Yoshi's worst mu is definitely Samus. Shulk is bad on paper but it's actually a matchup that Yoshi wins a lot and he has a lot of win conditions. Even in the clip you used, Ranger loses to Pharaoh way more than he wins lol. Samus is genuinely difficult and the Yoshis are LOSING that mu in practice, just look at Yoshidora vs Yuara(?).
2. There's no way that Meta Knight is K Rool's worst mu. It's probably Falco, Palu, or surprisingly Mii Gunner (look that one up, he quite literally will never get back to stage if gunner spams the grenades at ledge at a specific point).
3. Incineroar's worst matchup definitely isn't Zero Suit, I actually don't know if it comes close. From the good Incin's I've spoken to it's probably Min min or Mario. Skyjay vs Proto and Kurama at summit really highlights this. Min min also has the same justification as ganon (both characters are slow, have bad recoveries, and no tools to reliably deal with arms).
4. Mario's worst matchup is probably Ice Climbers, as he literally can't play the game against them as opposed to shulk. Mario mains win against Shulk fairly frequently, there are plenty of VODs out there, but you'll never see one beat an Ice Climbers on or near the level of Big D, it looks unwinnable, especially if you watched the Summit Set.
Still a great video though some of these picks are mad confusing!
So why does Yoshi tend to win against Shulk in practice?
@@k-leb4671 Yoshi has a lower barrier to entry and an easier gameplan than Shulk and Shulk's gameplan to win forces him to win neutral over and over. He has to keep the yoshi out with well-spaced aerials but if he makes any mistakes, especially in buster, yoshi will just blow him up with combos/advantage state. He also has other win conditions like edge guarding with offstage nairs + it can be hard for shuilk to edgeguard him back because of the eggs + DJ armor. It's still bad for Yoshi but the Shulk has to work harder.
Zelda main here, I'd say the hardest matchup is probably Palutena. Palu has fast and safe disjoints that are hard to deal with, significantly faster movement speed, and the ability to play the zoning game with Zelda and force an approach. On top of that she is quite tricky for Zelda to edgeguard.
I don’t think Palu has the range like ZSS. And although she can camp I don’t think it’s too hard to deal with as Zelda having Nayrus and phantom to hide behind. So ultimately she does have approach and get fairly close compared to ZSS
@@carcharo7 I was debating whether or not Palu or ZSS as the hardest. I think on stage zss’s range and movement options makes it almost impossible for zelda to catch. At the same time zss has to pick her spots very well to find kills since zelda otherwise zelda can do some good damage or potentially kill early with lightning kick or up b. So I find the matchup to be extremely slow with neither character wanting to approach but zss just has significantly better tools. Both matchups are pretty bad for zelda. ZSS will run away and win, but palu can just run zelda over and shut down anything she tries
@@the_knees_bees interesting, I find that becasue ZSS has zair, and nair she can apply pressure and you have no way to counter. But at least with Palu all her moves are close enough that a missspaced fair can punish. Or you can go for a read. But with ZSS there’s less chance to do that
15:00 Believe it or not, Ganon does have some wiggle room against those 2.
Against Min Min, he can edgeguard her extremely well, and he has some way to deal with ARMS through clanking. Fun fact: Dragon Arm can't shoot the laser if it gets clanked (not Ganon specific but it's good info).
Against Steve, blocks and minecarts become less of a problem due to Ganon's raw power, he can even Up-b Steve in minecart.
With that said, I do agree that they're still difficult, and are by no means easy MUs, I just wanted to shed a little bit of light on 2 MUs I unironically love as Ganon.
If you see this Poppt, great video as always!
I swear, Pikachu is still unwinnable match-up, the worst in the game and maybe the worst in the série
Poppt preparing for little Z’s follow up vid where he challenges these worst matchups by naming half of them as g&w lmao
Here are the characters' worst matchups in roster order, with parentheses around characters whose worst matchup is Steve that have alternate options.
Samus/Dark Samus: Pichu, Pokemon Trainer
Yoshi: Jigglypuff
Pikachu: Roy, Sonic
Luigi: Fox
Mr. Game and Watch: (Donkey Kong), Pikachu, Captain Falcon, Peach/Daisy, Falco
Roy: Ike
Zero Suit Samus: Mr. Game and Watch, Meta Knight
Diddy Kong: Pit/Dark Pit
Olimar: Samus/Dark Samus, (Wario)
Sonic: (Kirby), Marth/Lucina
Wolf: Zero Suit Samus
Mega Man: Snake
Palutena: Ness
Pac-Man: (Sheik), Diddy Kong
Shulk: Mario, Yoshi, Dr. Mario
Cloud: Young Link
Bayonetta: Mewtwo
Joker: Zelda, Chrom
Min Min: Ice Climbers, (Ganondorf)
Steve: Donkey Kong, Kirby, Bowser, Sheik, Ganondorf, Wario
Sephiroth: Luigi, Lucas
Pyra/Mythra: Link
Kazuya: (Bowser)
Pichu probably struggles more against dark Samus than regular Samus because the charge shot can hit while holding ledge whereas Samus’ shot sails right over the head.
5:16 as a Luigi main when sephiroth came out people were like ONLY playing him on elite smash and I got so damn good at the matchup that I see it as pretty much even for me. Lowkey swordies I can handle but it’s projectile spammers I hate to go against.
As a C. Falcon main, I agree with Game & Watch, and I'd say I struggle a lot with Samus as well.
Honestly, I could maybe up the chances of Young Link beating Cloud. I don't camp out like everybody else, and I use his agility to land blows really quickly and keep opponents in the air.
But Cloud is also another one of my mains, and I've done this match-up before, and that didn't go well...
It's still another bad match-up though.
About Sonic, indeed he's a character that forces you to play his game. I'm a Wolf main and I have a rushdown playstyle, getting up close and personal. But against Sonic, I'm forced to change that and camp him. But by doing that, I'd dare say Wolf becomes quite the complicated matchup for Sonic. The laser can completely neutralize Sonic's spin dash on the ground. Also, with his great air mobility, you can just jump over Sonic and then he can't connect that Spin Dash. When playing on a stage with platforms, and Sonic wants to use the homming attack, camping him by staying under a platform does the trick quite easily. On FD, you can camp him too until he finishes the move and then punish him. Unfortunately, it becomes a game of "who tires the other out faster", and it's one of the most boring matches ever. But it works in the end.
The mu was wolf favored before the nerfs
problem is Sonic already knows he has to play lame sometimes and so any good Sonic will Just avoid laser until you make a Little mistaske and BAM dashes at you
So I will state some counter points on the snake one. He can actually low profile the jab/nair lemons, crash bomb, and to an extent, bair. While his projectiles can be slowed a little, snake can still use them as area denial. As for the up air bit, simply letting go of cipher early can somewhat counteract it and can also drop and detonate c4s on a megaman who isn’t paying attention.
"Pichu can't do anything against samus"
Meanwhile Poppt1 against a samus:
Wins
As a Lucas player, I agree, I despise Sephiroth. I feel like Sephiroth was designed to counter Lucas, due to the long sword (Lucas hates swords) and his advantage state.
the amazing air mobility and dj superarmor means its really hard to get edgeguards or rest confirms as puff on yoshi
i havent played vs yoshi very often but it seems like a pain to deal with
Yoshi is actually very vulnerable off-stage and Puff has excellent edgeguard tools. The reason puff struggles is probably more because she can't travel vertically nearly as fast as Yoshi so he can avoid the edgeguard most of the time
It is true Sonic has a hard time hitting pikachu especially with all those projectiles stopping Sonic since he can’t power through them. Any small character in general does make Sonic actually struggle, and if you add him trying to jump over fast projectiles it just becomes more complicated.
There is no way pikachu is worse for sonic than fox
@@johannessguten2527 He is since Fox can’t really evade as much as pikachu with his impossible hit boxes that are like 2 times his size when attacking but regular when evading
@@serg.i0 fox is much better at catching sonic though than pichu, ledge trapping sonic and trapping his landings. You basically trade safety for more advantage between the 2
@@johannessguten2527 Fox isn’t Sonic’s worst mu
@@RealBroccoliHour I said it’s in contention aegis was likely a bit worse before they got merged
I'm no Sephiroth or Lucas main, but I think the nail in the coffin for Lucas v Sephiroth is that Lucas' magnet doesn't cover himself, so he can't absord side B
Side B is very easily absorbed by magnet believe it or not. And I’m referring to the initial projectile, I’m talking about the orbs.
This is incorrect, Lucas will always absorb the orbs with his PSI Magnet. I don’t really even think Sephiroth is Lucas’ worst matchup, he can be tricky if he decides to play around his range but just play aggressive and overwhelm them and you’ll more than likely win. Sephiroth has 2 projectiles that can be reflected and absorbed plus if Lucas hits Sephiroth’s counter with stick, it’ll reflect back at him and almost always kill.
@@dey6942 Lucas main here. Perhaps anytime I've played against Sephiroth I've just gotten lucky, but I wouldn't have thought he's the worst matchup. I think Cloud has consistently given me trouble in just about any match. All of Cloud's aerials in neutral and charging limit if trying to camp get me everytime
@@joshdormaier6330 a good cloud can be quite tricky at times especially since he has great aerials and Lucas’ disadvantage is so bad. As a fellow Lucas main I think my worst matchups are Bayo, Byleth, and Palutena. Palu and Byleth have a better version of Lucas nair which forces me to approach differently and play a way I don’t prefer to. Bayonetta players give me trouble mostly because I still to this day have no idea how her recovery works.
Well, I guess I know who I’m learning to play: the big three of bad matchups, game and watch, shulk, and Steve
As an Ike main who has conversed with pretty much all the top Ike mains, the matchup most consistently viewed as his worst is ROB. Roy is bad, but ROB is worse-Ike can't get any advantage state going and just dies offstage.
Roy isn't even that bad tbh. But ROB genuinely feels like a forfeit situation.
"Diddy has more range than Pt and Dark Pit, which doesn't make sense since Pit has a sword"
MANY non-swordies can outrange Pit. It's a sucky life to live, lol.
I agree with most of this, though it is noteworthy that some characters worst matchups are not even that bad because they are just that good.
Some things I want to add is that Wario hates Sonic (Im not sure if its his worst matchup but it is very bad), and Sonic may not lose any matchups but either Fox or Pyra/Mythra comes pretty close.
Yea Wario - Sonic and Wario - Kazuya are both like borderline unwinnable for Wario. EWGF invalidates like 80% of warios gameplan
The reason esam thinks that Pikachu beats sonic is because in theory Pikachu can out time-out sonic because of t-jolt and quick attack and better reward for winning neutral interactions, fox and aegis may seem bad because they can catch sonic, but they are also extremely vulnerable to getting gimped, and if they lose first stock against sonic, the match is essentially over
@@missing6747good luck winning neutral against a good fox or actually hitting a good fox with sonics poor normals and frame data.
@@johannessguten2527 literal blatant misinformation, go look at what frame all of sonics normals are on ultimate frame data, also he out ground speeds them which creates a gap for him to use spindash, a move that is literally invincible
@@missing6747 that doesn’t mean sonic has good frame data your assuming a fox wolf position himself to run into spin dash when he can shot a laser or two if sonic commits to spin dash
A good way to make sure that every entry on this list was updated from the last video and to make every entry more unique would be to give two or three picks for each character
Really weird for the bowser matchup, I honestly never knew that bowser struggled cause I always seem to come out on top even against good kazuya players. Online at least
Either they don't know the matchup or your really good. In this case I say the latter. Respect
The real counter pick is the friends we made along the way
So I play Samus, but I've never bothered to go out of my way to look at top player matchup charts to gauge matchup opinions.
But when I saw Olimar on screen, it felt like I've known it in my soul for ages. Those little carrots block literally everything, and him being short makes it obnoxious to try to box with him.
Edit: For PT, I'd actually say Squirtle is more obnoxious than Ivysaur. I mean all three are easy to deal with, but Squirtle can sometimes squeeze under medium charge shot from regular Samus (Not Dark though. Interestingly, Dark Samus' lower CS release makes it optimal in both our best and worst MUs). But a medium CS chews through Razor Leaf on reaction and usually hits Ivysaur for it. And if Ivysaur has to recover, morph bomb just says "no".
I like the thought and effort into this video, it's a fun listen! Great video Jordan!
And I wanna say, I definitely agree with Seph as one of Luigi's worst matchups, but I feel like Rosa is the worst MU, then Min Min, then Seph, from what I have experienced and observed.
11:12 Imo ZSS is Zelda's worst matchup. She really suffers because she doesnt have enough time to set anything up before ZSS weaves through and completely decimates her, and even if she does manage to get something set up it only connects maybe 20% of the time because ZSs can just get away. On top of that, ZSS has nutty frame data and respectable reach on nearly everything thats actually important. The only way I can beat ZSS with Zelda is by using hard reads and prayers lol
Zss frame data isn’t that great after the nerfs it was Zelda’s worst mu with pre nerf zss
Ice climbers have surprisingly good matchups against many top tiers like Pikachu, Mario, Joker and can even get a little handsy with Steve. But Min Min and Sephiroth just MELT the poor dears
I never thought I'd see Palutena be compared to Lebron James
Years after subspace emissary
pikachu: ay my son is acting up again
Samus: I got this
in my opinion sonics worst matchups (though they still could be considered even) are pika, aegis, and fox. They all can match his speed enough, and have a lot of tools that help in the matchup.
Fox is worse than pika and there is 0 chance the mu is even we can play if you want assuming your a sonic main
Pika - Sonic might be losing for Pika. Even is a safe bet but not Sonic's worst. Fox is the hardest MU. Mythra just doesn't kill like Fox for it to be as bad
@@rizvan1632 mythra may have been worse when the smash attacks were more broken and stronger but since the nerfs fox is definitely harder for sonic
@@johannessguten2527 I don't think her Fsmash made that much of a difference
@@rizvan1632 it was lagless pre patch and did way more damage an knock back
Lucas main here, although sephiroth is definitely pain and suffering, it is nothing compared to the paid of game and watch. G&W can absorb all of Lucas’s projectiles and his juggling is almost impossible to escape with Lucas’s kit.
As a monke main I got to say byleth is monke’s worst matchup.
im so glad you said this about joker and chrom. I have been up two stocks vs a joker and they just get arsene and kill me at like 30% with his counter. Other characters like palutena or lucina chrom can perfectly space his up special and dodge the counters(this is honestly hard to do consistently), but joker hits no matter WHERE chrom up specials. Way below the stage? getting hit. All the way to the right? hit. Even at the end, coming straight down it stops chrom where he is and gets hit. Joker is the reason im trying to learn other characters since having THAT glaring of a weakness and disadvantage just makes me not want to play. Especially when joker is obviously top 5 and is seen everywhere.
Ness 5 worst in order are 1: GnW 2: GnW 3: GnW 4: GnW 5: Lucina
I love how he says pichu doesn’t do good against samus while the in the clip pichu is winning
yo I'm ready to see little z try to debunk this and fail horribly
The fact that Olimar is anybody's worst matchup surprises me, let alone the worst matchup for two different characters.
if we have to say a bad matchup for Sonic is fox, pikachu loses because sonic has better camp than him and fox can always stay close to you and leave you no stage or time to think, which forces you to play in a very different and unique way, but it's still even lmao
Your tripping bad hard it'd aegis aka pyra and mythra
@@jonemillester Aegis are very vulnerable off stage, even more than Fox, so that makes Fox MU more difficult, but they are also Even lmao.
Counterargument for Kirby against Sonic: Copy ability, being able to take Sonic's neutral B turns the tides of the matchup heavily. And as for approaching, I've personally never had too big of an issue on approach to Sonic when compared to other characters, but neutral B is pretty good for approach as well and for getting hits in after you send them into the air with an up tilt or up smash.
And, personally, I'd say Kirby's worst match up is Pikachu since when you try to get close while dodging rolling electricity, Pikachu will just start a combo in the air if you don't start one first.
(By the way, I'm a Kirby main, in case it wasn't obvious. By no means am I on a professional level, but I'd say I'm pretty decent as Kirby.)
Leon Says Bowser Kazuya is even and Bowser Steve is only -1
Jordan talking about Ness-Palu: “The movement in comparison is on a whole another level”
Hikasan: *turns into judge Simon*
Mewtwos is definitely not Bayo. It’s a three way tie for Fox, Falco, and Link.
Exactly. I think Falco is even worse than Fox. Link is terrible too. I'd say Yoshi isn't that great either.
@@kyurei4478 Falco is hard, but if you play against a good reaction based fox character than its unwinnable. Yoshi is another hard one. Cloud is also tough.
@@vnomercy5760 I disagree for Fox. You have to be a very good Mewtwo at disadvantage yourself but it's not unwinnable, just very hard. And Fox dies extremely early. Falco is heavier, can combo you more easily, edgeguards you and counters Mewtwo's entire kit better than Fox does. Yoshi dominates you in the air and eggs are very distracting. Cloud is doable to me. The biggest problem is the limit.
@@kyurei4478 Notbae and Zenkai put Fox in the -2mu category along with link and falco.
@@vnomercy5760 Yeah I know, and I agree. Unwinnable matchup is like -3 to me.
Lucas being a little manas boy and getting destroyed by a far edgier mamas boy is really funny to me lol
Hinawa and Aerith looking similar doesn’t help things for him.
dk's worst mu is falco and wario is sonic
Agree my friend.
How is Falco dks worst? Does everything he does just hard counter dk or is it something specific?
@@NLookabill94DK is a piñata and Falco loves to combo him
You should give them there Canon strength and make a tournament
I think it's crazy that Sonix lost to Riddle's Terry. It seems Terry has that x factor that other characters who lose the matchup don't: deals high damage on small strings and trades, and has a go meter so even if they're combo'd to high percents, they have go.
Also has something that kazuya lacks: Very good speed
Terry is busted
Lol i love how you put your main at the top like everyone else
Steve is OP against everyone
Kazyua v Bowser **is not that bad at all**. It’s hardly losing. Kazyua’s neutral is the only thing that makes the matchup difficult. Kazyua’s has a terrible disadvantage, terrible off stage, and can’t get back from the ledge. Yeah we get comboed, but that’s about it
Bowser struggles with fast frame data, strong combo games, and edge guard heavy characters. Like Pikachu, Falco, Wario, and peach
Steve must be Donkey Kong 40th worst MU at max, really not his worst, kinda mid imo
I don't understand how Zelda's worst matchup is Joker lmao, he's not easy to deal with as her, but he's not exactly a problem any more than other high tiers. As a Zelda main, let me explain that Zelda is a defensive character; her only approach option is to down b and go in with some jank shit. She can't attack, she can only punish and defend and be scrappy when her opponent fucks up their approach. As such, any character who has no trouble approaching, or who can circumvent her frame traps and ledge traps, totally blows her out of the water because not only can she not approach anyways, but she won't even be able to defend. Sonic is probably her worst matchup because she has zero answer to spin dash bullshit (she is never going to approach anyways so he can just hold it indefinitely if he wants), and special shout out to Chrom/Roy who have disjoints and outspeed her though they do suck big fat hairy doodar if she manages to get them off stage. Also any character who forces her to approach (Steve, G&W) dunks on her if she does because a 35 frame dash attack with 6 active frames isn't exactly a solid approach option.
I get it. Nobody plays Zelda. She was out of date even back in Melee when she was introduced, and nobody wants to talk to a Zelda main, but yeah, Joker not that hard with the caveat he is a high tier so he should beat her every time, but still. Zelda can wait out Arsene with the help of her specials which are designed specifically to protect her and then go for the grab mixup every time he goes for down b persona charge meter bullshit off her phantom because, surprise surprise, Zelda can move while phantom is out. The fact you dedicate less than a minute to talking about her and admit nobody makes match-up charts for a character who hasn't been played in 3+ years proves you just threw all the high tiers into a hat then drew one at random for her LMAO
Bruh....i came for DDD, and you cut it at sonic?!
Part 2 better be tonight ir tommorrow SMH
Same! Was scrolling through for our big lad
Yessir could you do another every smash bros character in a nutshell video? That one is my favorite video that you have made.
pyra mythra link is near unwinnable 💀
Wait till u see the Bayo mu
I won that match
Link really has a difficult time against women with swords, huh?
It is now 2024
Hey man great video, one thing that would be great is time stamps for each character. Keep making great content
8:46 As a Bowser main who’s played a lot of the game by now, I completely disagree with what is being said here, especially about the Kazuya mu. It’s extremely hard for both of these characters to win neutral, if one of them wins the other is taking 0-100% before they can do anything, hence why this mu is often considered Truely even for Bowser. Steve I can understand but bowser doesn’t struggle with Steve as much as the little electric rat. Pikachu has been widely agreed apon worst mu for bowser because he’s a big target for pika’s multihit chains with fair and bair and makes it very difficult for bowser to win neutral thanks to their mashy based playstyle.
As a Bowser player, I think that Pika MU is better than Steve MU for Bowser cuz Pika isn't very good at killing, but Steve has countless kill confirms. Steve is also heavier than Pikachu, making the block-man harder to take stocks. With good timing, Steve can also ignore hits by pressing the B button at lower percentages, forcing Bowser to go for grabs and side-B until Steve's around 50%. I still believe that Bowser's 2nd worst MU is Pika.
I def agree on the Kazuya MU, since Bowser has better OoS, Ledge-trapping, and edge-guarding game than Kazuya. Bowser can also use N-air as a landing option out of disadv. too, not only D-air and Down-B.
@@ethansura yeah same I used to not worry about Steve as much but now that I think about it Steve mains keep learning new stuff about the character and more effective ways to use their tools which make the mu annoying so yeah, def agree that the Steve mu gets worse for bowser as time goes on.
Hi there poppt, whilst steve is a bad matchup for DK (-2 at least) he still suffers more vs GnW, pikachu, young link, mega man and there are a few others about as bad as steve but I'm not sure which is worse (sheik, bayonetta, zero suit, samus)
I still love the video though, keep up the great work
I was thinking Falco for Zelda. Zelda hates characters able to rush her down as she has almost no fast, reliable option besides Nair (Which is an inconsistent move). Remaining options are Dash Attack, Jab (which is also an oddity compared to most of the cast as she only has one hit instead of a multiple part combo so she doesn't move while doing it), her mediocre tilts (Up Tilt only true combos with the back hit and is pretty small for an anti-air, F-Tilt's a decent kill move with the sweetspot but nothing to write home about besides that, D-Tilt to Fair sometimes works with not much else you can do but bait/read an air dodge out of it), and Neutral B or Up B out of shield to get people off her in neutral (Second hit of Up-B is also DIable so some characters can get away with only the sour spot hitting them.) She has to fish for grabs or reads for fair/bair sweetspots and up air to get any real distance. (All of which she is punished for missing.) Therefore, she can't use her strongest point, Phantom when people are in her face all the time. The speed of Falco, the laser to interrupt Phantom summoning from almost anywhere on stage so long as he faces her (Unless she does the difficult displacement tech) and the mileage Falco gets from any combo starter he can easily hit because of Zelda's unsafe moves. On top of all that, he has a reflector. As a Zelda main, it's torturous.
This is great, I was wonder if you would update this and you did, good job
I like how Andrik was shown for Captain Falcon, he’s a beast ✨👏😎
So, it seems to be a good idea maining Mr. Game and Watch
I have a good zelda in my area and they say joker still. Counter makes all the slow projectiles an awful risk reward to throw out and joker is so fast, zelda can't really play neutral. She also gets edgeguarded decently badly since teleport startup can be caught by back air or gun and she can just die off that from any percent. Basically the whole matchup is just bad risk reward.
i like how game and watch is a MENACE to society
20:08 But Pit LOVES bananas!
This video if it was honest:
Ok lets get into it, every characters worst matchup:
Steve. Steve is even Steve's worst matchup. No other character is nearly as good as Steve.
Sorry for not making it last stream. Just by the time you started, I was already asleep. Regardless, I enjoyed getting to know what each character's worst matchup in detail even though I'm a casual.
yay i played against a lvl 9 cpu steve as kirby (kirbo is my main so ive trained for a long time)
Nice! Time to see how many people destroy Kirby, King Dedede, and Meta Knight!
Glad poppt is keeping us up to date with the current meta
Back when I went to tournaments (I was not particularly good mind you), I had a player that would always play Jigglypuff. Every game, friendly or not… EXCEPT when I played Yoshi. Me, not knowing why, asked him. He told me to play a game then and it was lowkey miserable for BOTH of us and I won despite him being the way better player lmfao
“Bowser’s worst matchup is Steve”
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I have not seen any Steve's or sonics that I can't catch as a Kirby main and D3 main. I do really struggle with Ike and Cloud though.
12:42 What is falco doing?!
Auto-reticle is another reason why the Palu-Ness matchup is so bad. It can gimp his recover at most higher angles of recovery and his ascending speed is so bad at the start of his second jump, it will eat it a lot of the time if timed right. It also clanks and stuffs out his up special with the right timing too.
havent watched it yet but from what ive seen of personal experience + watching tourneys + top play MU charts
most non swordie top-of-top-tiers tiers' worst matchups are gnw (rob, peach, pika, fox)
iirc kaz, roy, snake, wario, samus, mario, etc. do pretty bad vs gnw