The Best Scene in Thor Love and Thunder
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Thor: Love and Thunder had no business being as bad as it was. It should have been at least on par with Thor Ragnarok - Taika Waititi was back, Hemsworth was game - we’d finally get Natalie Portman in a top-tier role, and to top it all off Christian Bale was joining the fray as Gorr the God Butcher. I was so freaking excited for Christian Bale to be Gorr - that’s perfect casting. Bale is a powerhouse and after being the Batman himself, it felt like a sweet reversal for him to be playing a Marvel villain.
Four solo movies and four Avengers movies into Thor’s journey, he faced great foes in Loki, Hela and Thanos… Gorr was poised to blow them all out of the water. Imagine how much sweeter phase 4 would have been if we had a great Thor movie in there - with a villain that challenges him as well as thanos did, a villain just as menacing and memorable in some kick ass action. I think if either this or Doctor Strange had been as good as they should have been, the bad will towards the MCU at the moment would be greatly reduced.
Thor Ragnarok. 2017. Directed by Taika Waititi.
Thor Love and Thunder. 2022. Directed by Taika Waititi.
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The transformation form Christian Bale to Atheist Bale is sensational. The rest of the movie sucks balls.
LMAOOOOO
I see what you did there
That was brilliant 🤣
This is better than any joke in the actual movie
HAHAH
Christian Bale stole every scene he was in, even his goofy stuff, and deserved a better movie around him.
This should've been a Gorr centric movie
Not the goofy stuff.
HoW exCitIng 🤪
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If that one line is your only complaint about him, then I think he got away with it.
They really just hired one of the best actors in Hollywood and had him star in an episode of fanboy and chum chum
Marvel has a long history of making crappy villains. Very small changes to the script could have made Gorr into one of their best villains. This is exactly what is wrong with the MCU
Gorr really should've been like Death from Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. An unstoppable ever-present idea (Thor representing the good of the Gods and Gorr representing the sins and plight of the Gods) that constantly pursues the Protagonist in a Predator style hunt to the death.
I agree he should have been on his case the whole time
This could tie in with Thor's supposed fear of loving others again as he is faced with a dangerous threat that could kill the people that he cares about.
That concept only really works if you have another villain/conflict. Maybe Thor is looking for Eternity to cure Jane's cancer?
@@biglion3179 Gorr looking for Eternity to ressurect daughter, Thor looking for Eternity to cure Jane's cancer. Both racing to get into the same place. Both driven by really similar goals, showing opposite views about Gods. In the end Thor realises what Gorr wants and decided that Gorr is more worthy, sacrificing his own goal.
the point of Gorr is that he has a point, every god he kills proved his ideal that gods are evil
If Gorr attacked and decimated the city, and Zeus pleads for his life by bargaining the knowledge of unlocking Eternity for it, man that would have been a much more thorough character arc. And the visual of a City of Gods falling completely into shadow would have been an epic one.
Feels like such an obvious set up to have Gorr the God Butcher butcher gods in their god city.
Would make no sense. Gorr would just kill him, there’s no need for Eternity once he gets into the city and destroys it.
@@harmonlanager2670 Gorr couldn’t have been strong enough to do so seeing as he got the sword. For him to be able to just tear the city down he’d have to have been gifted the sword by the previous user
literally how did the fucking LEGO Movie do this exact scene better than Thor Love & Thunder
Christian Bale carried the movie, that being said I can’t believe they barely touched on Gorr’s capacity as an antagonist. They could have made it about killing the gods with the motivation of his dead child instead of introducing Eternity’s concept to leave more open ends than it should
This 👆👆 this comment exactly
This take is absolutely on point! That first scene was fantastic and the range of emotions Bale portrays in it is brilliant.
It's such a shame that the movie didn't make Gore a true philosophical threat to Thor and all the other gods. It could have been epic and really satisfying.
Yeah, certainly Taika Waititi is the guy to bring us a deeply philosophical villain. I remember how he made Hela into a dumb PS2 boss without any nuance or even basic backstory that's not relegated to two lines of poorly written exposition. For you MCU fans who don't read comics (which is all of you), Hela is meant to be a personification of death and represent its nacesity in nature. As one old Silver Age story pointed out, where Thor killed Hela to save himself from her death touch, but then saw that without her the world turns to chaos, because when there's life, there has to be death. So he brings her back at the cost of his own life, but then is saved by Sif, who is willing to die with him and Hela cries for the first and last time in her life and spares them both. Yeah, so Mr. Waititi took that and made a sh1t joke of a movie. He was never good for this franchise, never.
@@antona.1327 Hela was somewhat philosophical, in the sense she showed how Asgard was founded on colonization and then Odin rewrote the history books. But, this could've been touched on better.
@@erubin100 that's not philosophy. That's lame exposition. It doesn't serve anything, on top of being presented in a ridiculous comedy flick. Philosophy is when Joker from The Dark Knight convinces Harvey Dent that there's no good, everyone's corruptable, and it's best to stop pretending to be bound by hypocritical societal norms.
@@antona.1327 IT IS PHILOSOPHY, DIPSHIT; it's just not presented as well as it could've been. Ragnarok could've delved further into the idea of whether a society can be just if it's built on the bones of the dead and conquered. There's a good foundation there, it just wasn't explored enough.
@@antona.1327 As with most comics, this concept works in a vacuum but not as well as in a shared universe. How can this work with reality that Asgardians are just another group of aliens? There are numerous different Gods of Death across mythology and likewise the Marvel universe. Do they all have power over their stated purpose? Does the same thing happen when Hades is killed? Or Anubis? This adherence to a shared universe with shared consequences I think is a limitation that the MCU is more strictly held to than comics, which have the luxury of self contained runs and storylines that can be massaged and retconned into their overarching storylines more easily.
Man how much potential this movie could’ve had. Frankly the Jane Thor and gorr should’ve been separate projects. So more time could be given to the respective one. Gorr would’ve been perfect for him after a Jane movie for his last solo
I think they can both fit in one movie, since a Jane Thor movie would still need a villain and both stories share common themes in loss and death. Problem is that we now got a movie where the two central stories are Jane dying from cancer and Gorr killing gods and kidnapping children to grief for the loss of his own child, and yet the movie takes none of it seriously. I'm not saying the movie has to be overly dark and moody, but you just can't make full comedy with this material.
@@theomnitorium7476 I can see where you’re coming from but I just it could work separate in the way they just pick a less popular Thor villain for Jane and then after gorr is his final villain that breaks him emotionally and physically. (Mainly saying this because I would really kill for a scene where Thor can’t lift mjolnir anymore because he doesn’t feel worthy as per what gorr tells him. A scene like that is amazing but couldn’t really work in love and thunder even if rewritten)
Them being in the same movie is not the problem since the stories of jane and gorr parallel each other: both are regular people who wield a god-tier weapon that is destroying them. Jane's story is that of hope and optimism while Gorr's is one of hatred and vengeance, the setup is practically a gold mine from a storytelling perspective. Unfortunately, the filmmakers weren't interested in exploring any of this in a meaningful way since it would've interfered with the joke-to-story ratio of the final product.
Thor 4 should have been the Guardians team up movie, 5 should have been the Gorr story, and 6 should have been Jane's story.
@@theomnitorium7476 "you can't just comedy with this material", someone should've told this MCU back when they did Thor 3. Ragnarok and Planet Hulk ain't comedy material.
Overall agree, though one caveat as to why hunting down each god or attacking all at once doesn't quite work as well as his plan at Eternity is shown in that first scene where the previous owner of the sword was defeated by a god. The sword doesn't make him invincible, just super powerful. And Jane and Thor almost beating him also sort of demonstrates this. So his plan to wipe them all out at Eternity is a better one they can't stop. And indeed most of the gods all hiding away having their orgies as they were actually works out great for his plan. They stay there not trying to kill him, while he goes and wipes them out in one swoop without any hindrance but Thor who has something he needs. -Daven
If you break it down like this then yes, on paper it's a better plan. But it makes for a way less interesting movie where you watch him chase a pretty vague MacGuffin goal instead of an actuall physical embodiement of his goal. They say "show, don't tell" in movies and the Eternity plan is all "tell", while killing gods would be "show".
There should've been a way to power up his sword then, instead of looking for a magical wishing device. Like, how about the more gods he kills, the stronger and more durable he gets? It'd be like level grinding in a video game! AND it would add a layer of irony that he's essentially slowly becoming a god himself!
I think its logically better, but not very exciting for a movie. You could cut the eternity stuff and no one would be wondering why he didn't do it because you would have no idea its even possible
@@erubin100 i like the irony in him becoming god-like threw killing them
If this was an issue, there were several things that could have been done to counteract this. Like if whatever killed all of the gods was in the middle of the god city, and the rest of the gods refused to leave or even prepare for battle.That would be a much better climax because he would actually kill gods
This scene as the opening to the film feels like it came from an entirely different film compared to the rest. The set up for Gorr was excellent and yet there is absolutely no pay off, he was such a wasted opportunity. Gorr should have been tearing various pantheons to shreds and by the time he got to the Norse, Thor should have realised Gorr actually entirely has a valid point, similar to Killmonger’s and Tchalla’s arc in Black Panther, in fact that’s exactly what I had been expecting. Thor to come to terms with his and others failures in their supposed godliness and working to repair their damage especially if Gorr died (another god such as Zeus could have killed Gorr when he was surrendering perhaps to really hammer the point home) and this could set up a further development of Thor as a character. What we got instead was an utter embarrassment made even worse by the great potential established in this opening scene
Isn't the payoff in the end that he is able to bring back his daughter? More specifically he gets his revenge but doesn't completely lose himself in the process. But yet his sins cost him his life. So he dies as his daughter lives. Thus the end is the reversal of the opening scene.
Another great scene in the film is of course a deleted one. It’s where Zeus shows Thor how to use the lightning bolt. It doesn’t have a cringey joke and Thor doesn’t act like a goofball in it (which is probably why it was cut, as there weren’t any dumb jokes)
i still cant believe there was a scene of all the Gods in one place and Gorr didn't show up
I am dying to know if there was even a draft where he showed up, what happened there?
@@FullFatVideos I guess you guys haven't seen the Lego movie? Or do you really want a repeat?
Taika Waititi is a hack
@@Bingo_the_Pug no he's not, he made one bad movie amidst countless other bangers
everyone was theorising it from the trailers because it just seemed so obvious
I feel like the best scene (at least visually) was the fight on the shadow realm planet. Having the scene be filmed with muted colors while still having the power ups be in a regular color shade was pretty cool
agreed. gave me Zach Snyder vibes but better cuz of the colored powers.
Absolutely, this was the best scene of the whole film. The tone for the rest of the story was *set* so freaking well. The music when Gorr claimed the Necrosword and beheaded the god was chilling but oh-so-perfect for the character. It did not feel like a typical Taika Waititi comedic romp at all, I thought we were in for something really special.
This movie truly was a mess all around. Gorr in the comics was truly an avengers level threat, and yet here, he was no more a threat than Kang in Quantumania, which is very sad.
If Gorr did have a scene like you described, where he attacks all the gods and manages to kill some of them, which makes everyone realize the threat he truly was, than that would have done so much heavy lifting story wise. The movie goes the lazy route every chance it can, and whether that was a choice in writing, or in editing, it really hurt the film in many ways. I would have much rather seen the vfx team complete the Jane transforming into Thor scene that we saw behind the scenes pics of, over any of the stuff involving kids.
This was my most anticipated phase 4 film and by far the worst
Eternals was way worse imo. At least I was mildly entertained at some points during Thor.
Quantumania is worse, but not by far.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Quantumania is phase 5 actually
Eternals was so bad, you can't even remember it.
@@Eliphas_Leary I thought Eternals was going to be so bad that my expectations were worse than the actual film. Thor is the opposite. I’d genuinely watch eternal’s instead of this poorly written dog shit
I think the end scene, where Gorr brings his daughter back to life, is just as well done.
It had all the impact it should have, misled you into thinking he was going to heal Jane, and the reminder of his priorities from Thor made perfect sense.
Gorr tricking Thor into leading him to Omnipotence City instead of this whole quest for Eternity would have been so much better. His plan would hinge on getting *a* god scared enough to run to the city for help, opening the door for Gorr to slip in and annihilate the place.
Gorr should have been on a level on-par with Thanos. So many villains are introduced and dispatched because Marvel is more focused on building up the big villain in the massive crossover event
The only thing that bothered me in that specific scene was how the Necrosword just happened to be lying there, and Rapu did absolutely nothing to dispose of that extremely deadly weapon.
Just goes to show how arrogant he was
I think it makes some level of sense for two reasons.
1. If there was one object that could kill me, I would be pretty hesitant to touch it let alone bring it some where
2 if I was a super powerful god in my remote paradise where there is only other gods, I would think keeping the sword there is the safest place it could be.
Besides it seems like the sword being close doesn’t really matter since it can teleport to people.
Total agree that this is one of the best scenes. And part of me loves the scene when he shows up in the childrens cage and goes all evil bedtime story. Like he was just enjoying breaking them.
But to me the best scene is when Thor is told that Jane has a very low chance of survival and just wrecks a vending machine and brings her the contents.
Like this scene spoke to me. If my family or friends need my help, I do whatever I can. And when I can't help, I just shut down. Like even with trivial stuff. And this was Thor's moment, where he is so used to just punching his problems away that when he can't do anything but hope, he lashes out (which is consistant with his character), and then lies to save face.
And then an hour after I post this comment, I find out my GF may have cancer. Just...fuck me with the irony or whatever this would be
@@HowlandGreywolfe geez, wishing the best for her. Stay strong to help her man. You'll get through this
@@gustavosauro1882 Its just at the "It might be, so lets test for it" stage, but you know. Still not the thing you want to hear
@@HowlandGreywolfe oh ok. I hope nothing will be found
@@HowlandGreywolfeOuch... Praying for the best for her
Thor: A Gods Journey
I would give Gorr the same purpose on killing gods, and I would show the deaths, let them be brutal. (If they can chop Thanos’ head off, have Zombies, and have the Scarlet Witch brutally killing the illuminati then why not?)
Thor is aware of the slaughter of many gods, he sees the Guardians as a fun, respectful family to each other, and shouldn’t take part on Thor’s new quest. They go their separate ways. (AND NO ANNOYING GOATS AS A PIECE OFFERING!!!)
New Asgard is more of a civilisation, the town being a fantasy village. Valkyrie stays as queen, she has change her ways from the chaotic, alcoholism character, to a much more serious, no fun and game’s character.
Gorr is aware of the legend Zeus, but doesn’t know where he is. So he has a surviving god go to Zeus for help, having Gorr lead him to Zeus and kill him. He eventually found one desperate god that knew the way.
Thor and Korg go and rescue Sif. They go and visit Zeus, but by the time they got to the Safe Haven everyone was dead. Zeus was holding his son (Hercules’s) corpse. Zeus is too weak to fight Gorr and believes Thor is worthy to wheel Thunderbolt, a weapon that can kill Gorr.
Thor spends time on how to use it, but realises that he is getting slow in his age. He’s not the Mighty Thor anymore, he is thousand of years old. Right after he joined the Guardians there was laughter, and wacky adventures. But as five months go by there was still laughter, and wacky adventures, but it only surrounded the Guardians, Thor was just that one guy in the room that you would just say “Hello” to.
While training in present day, Thor starts to question his purpose in life. He is no longer involved with the original Trio, he’s not the shouty Thor with a mega pint in his hand.
Thor meets up with Jane in a supportive scene, he fears that he might not win, he thinks he’s getting sloppy, he doesn’t know who he is anymore. In a touching moment Jane reminds him that HE is still the Mighty Thor.
That’s how far I’ve gone with this take, maybe Thor would die, or maybe he kills Gorr and retires with Jane in a cottage. I am aware that I went a bit off topic with how the WHOLE movie should’ve been, I wanted Gorr’s purpose to have a massive affect on Thor. Another god that is new and ready to kill ANY god without hesitation or mercy.
I don't think Christian Bale's performance was a problem. He was easily the highlight of the film and you can tell he's enjoying himself in the role. The problem was how stupid the rest of the film was, in particular how Thor himself seems to have no brain cells left. It's like Taika took a class in how to make jokes miss the mark and then filled the film with that.
I'm not 100% crazy about the character design, I think the transformation could have been a little more interesting rather than just dulling his colors. The necrosword is intensely powerful, and I think the best way of explaining away the death of the owner previous to Gorr is that the owner never had a chance to really kill a bunch of gods. Considering the Necrosword gains more power the more gods that it slays. It would also give a building threat, and why he just doesn't come crashing in and killing all gods at once, he has to kill them one at a time and build up power
Taika Waititi should've left the MCU after RAGNAROK
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Did he even bothered reading the source material for the stories this movie is (very loosely) based on?
Bale reminded me of Kratos' journey a lot! The difference is that, Kratos was a bloodthirsty maniac, while Gorr was just a poor devotee! But they both are emotionally vulnerable, and killing the Gods was their destiny!
Waititi Thor movies were always bad. He character assassinated Thor. He misused every character he got his hands on. His style is juvenile and trashy - the exact opposite of an epic hero like Thor. And his so-called take on Gorr (but the female co-writer should also get the blame) is so wrong. Just as Hela was Hela in name and antlers only. Gorr ain't a sympathetic villain in the comics. He's a d1pshit. We should hate him. But instead we hate the director.
Any movie with Christian Bale has potential to be phenomenal
Hope they just showed more Gorr killing Gods make it dark. Like everytime Death appears in Puss in Boots Last Wish that’s what i want for gorr like terrifying and intimidating.
There is something embedded brilliant and held back. By killing Zeus and stealing a weapon of the gods, the act of surrendering mjolnir and zeus’ Lightning to other people, normal everyday people to make them superpowered, there is something REALLY compelling there. It has a nice foundation and takes some steps to some really ambitious and excellent themes, only extremely fumbled by its lack of thematic cohesion or commitment elsewhere and the remainder of the offputting tone and details.
I would have loved to see a full movie of Gorr - one where he just goes on a rampage across the universe killing any god he sees. Perhaps even sparing some gods he deems worthy of the "God" title. Think John Wick, but with "gods" and a big sword
I think a plot that focused more on Thor realising how much the actions of gods effect mortals, and how, despite caring for a good deal of them, most of earths problems that he's dealt with over the years have been caused by the actions of god. The asgardian weapons which have killed people, the gods who have neglected their duties or acted to harm mortals, how much Thor himself has done, or could have done in the past and never suffered from. And this character arch could start with Mjorlnir killing Jane, as he realises that the actions of gods, and their relics have consequences for mortals, which he only realises now because its effecting someone he knows personally, with Gor a prime example of how it effects every mortal, and how Thor should care about them all, rather then with the level of disregard or focus on one or two only that he normally does
Love and Thunder was the cheapest $250 million film I've ever seen.
To make the movie more substantial, I would probably have written a script rather than just an outline and letting everyone ad-lib jokes
Personally I feel the film’s best scene was the ending at Eternity. I feel it really tied Thor, Gorr, Jane and Love together in a really satisfying way.
I thought it was stupid that gorr would give his son to a god who from his view has done no good
You thought it was satisfying to give Thor someone else's child to raise?
Bale was THE only good part of the movie. Loved every scene he was in.
I thought I was the only one put off by the shoe-horning of Eternity into this movie. Can't wait to see Living Tribunal and Galactus...
Fr they did gorr so dirty and wasted Bale
actually can’t believe how bad they flopped..I’ve not been to the cinema to watch a Marvel film since Doctor Strange in the MoM
The only one I've seen in theaters since Endgame was No Way Home. I've casually watched some at home. The only other one I've liked was Shang-Chi.
The only scene in thor love and thunder. The rest are fucking abysmal skits
One moment that really irked me about this movie is the ending where Thor decides to bring Gorr’s daughter after we literally just have a scene where Gorr says that she would have no one cause he’s dying. Would it not have been a better, more impactful moment to conclude the movie if Gorr saw the love Thor had for Jane and how she was dying and then uses his wish as a selfless act to save Jane from dying? It would have been great character development for the character, and pay off moments earlier in the film where it’s established Gorr sympathizes with Jane. Further, they both end up possessing items with godlike powers which ultimately accelerates both of their deaths. It would have been a great moment and shown the writers of this movie had some semblance of understanding narrative consistency and pay-off and not killing off Portman’s character(who is basically wasted in this movie with the material they gave her and disposed of because Marvel doesn’t know what to do with her). Instead we get too see more of Gorr’s daughter now? Who I guess they’re setting up to be the next Thor? But narrative wise this literally makes no sense as we know next to nothing about this character or have any reason to care about her beyond the opening scene of the movie…
This was hands down the best scene; we've been brought up on vain and petty gods in our own mythologies, so it's easier to understand Gorr's disillusionment and motives going forward, especially in the midst of dealing with the trauma of losing his daughter
What frustrated me was the movie is the biggest example of "show, don't tell." You have a literal GOD BUTCHER and we only see him stab one in the neck? There are no threats or stakes, they brought Stormbreaker to him for goodness sake. They could've had Gorr recognize early that Mjolnir was affecting Jane and had an more emotional impact in their battles to have her more involved in the story. Also Thor and Jane shouldn't have gotten back together
They literally could have Gorr kill the Olympian Gods and Zeus and would add more stake to the movie.
8:39 Great point! We see both Gorr and Thor kill one god in this movie. And it's even for the exact same reason. And yet one is the hero and one is the bad guy.
I know they say Gorr killed other gods off screen, but, well, it's off screen and the effects are never felt or even explained.
I’ll never forgive them for dropping the ball on Bale as Gorr. That’s the literal dream cast, I couldn’t believe it.
Gorr can’t really be mad at Rapu….
He wanted RAIN but prayed to a SUN god 😂
Oh man wth😂😂😂
I totally agree !! The opening scene and lines from Ghor are fantastic. Too bad it wasn’t maintained through the movie.d It’s almost as if the people at Marvel loved the character but not the stories
This movie needs to be rewritten or something. Because there was a really great idea in this premise. But the execution was completely wasted
Love and Thunder was horseshit and I'm disappointed more than sad because next to No Way Home, I was really looking forward to it.
My mother, whose favourite MCU characters are Rocket, Groot and Nebula, watched the movie on Disney Plus. At the part where Thor leaves the Guardians and they're out of the story, she asked "That's it?" and went off to do something else.
We could have had a moment where Star-Lord uses the Zune to listen to a sad song and then Thor steals it to play a workout track. Or Thor doing pushups with Rocket on his back. How about Thor and Drax having drinks on Contraxia and having to carry Drax back into the Benatar ala Dr Selvig in the first movie?
What if it was Rocket who said goodbye to Thor instead of Quill? Even before he and Nebula became official members of the Avengers, Rocket bonded with Thor. He, along with Hulk, were sent to New Asgard to pick him up, as opposed to Tony or Steve, because they had more experience with him. With that knowledge, Rocket and Nebula being more than happy to see the back of Thor felt really sad the more you thought about it.
I felt robbed of a really fun movie that Endgame teased. I don’t care how much damage control Gunn has done. I don’t care if Thor meeting up with and eventually joining the Guardians was something exclusively for the Avengers movies. You do NOT waste the Guardians like that.
I agree this is the only good scene of the film, my only two problems with it are Christians transition from a humble meek religious father who’s world is crumbling around him, straight to evil Batman. And my other issue is the CGI for his God, it’s pretty shit and it’s distracting
As much as I liked this movie, I can understand all the criticisms. There are so many wasted opportunities in this movie: Sif, Darcy and Selvig meeting Korg, Valkyrie and Miek, multiple scenes of Gorr butchering the gods (I wanted Khonshu to be one of the survivors so he can bump into Thor), a more impactful scene of Thor shaming the gods for their selfishness, Valkyrie having an arc about being King of New Asgard and bearing the responsibility of rescuing the children, exploring the parallels between Jane and Gorr and the overall balance of action, comedy and drama that the previous movie had. The worst part is most of the jokes either aren't that funny or just aren't. And yes, the Team Thor shorts aren't canon which is perfect because they can be as silly as they want. Again, this movie is not bad, just misguided. And it is still infinitely better than The Dark World.
Also, I would've loved a post credit scene where the Necrosword helps the little symbiote speck from the post credit scene of No Way Home find Peter. Sony probably wouldn't allow it, but it's definitely better than their Spider Man Villain Without Spider Man Cinematic Universe. Seriously, as someone who only enjoys the Venom movies, how cool would it have been if Eddie actually MET Peter!?!
Valkyrie not having any arc was so weird. The even kept teasing this "she wants to find her Queen" arc when the movie was announced, but in the final version she's just a sad drunk and then leaves.
This movie is bad. As was Thor Ragnajoke. They both character assassinated Thor.
There's two issues with why TL&T failed, 1, Taika tried condensing too much comic book lore into one movie. It was like doing LotR in one movie. 2, Taika had this weirdly infantile humor the whole movie (post first scene). It kept it from being a mature movie with a mature subject matter, and felt like it was on par with crappy fart jokes the whole time.
That golden god was a bit too cartooney imo. Like, his manners reminded me of the chief gungan from Phantom Menace.
Also, the comic is one of, if not THE best comic I've ever read, and it's baffling that they messed it up so royally. How do you make the worst MCU movie from the best Thor comic?
Imagine how sweet phase 4 would have been if they'd built up Gorr for half the phase only to find out Knull is the real problem
Imagine my disappointment at the end of Thors movie when they destroyed the Necrosword like it was nothing.
Hopefully we’ll see it again, and in the hands of the king himself.
Or at the very least that he gets mentioned in some way by Venoms offspring that he left behind.
This is definitely the best scene in the movie. However, there is something off in the CGI or directing or something in the way Gorr's God moves. It's like the guy is wearing a neck brace. I found it really distracting, almost uncanny valley. I don't know if he was told he can't really move his head or what but I wish they'd fixed that.
Just like ragnorok, this movie felt like 2 opposing movies playing at once. The serious threats and heart wrenching moments get lost in pointless quips and "humor". This destroys the seriousness of the moment and overall story. Both gorr and hela were amazing villains and were wasted. Marvel needs to stop treating every movie as a comedy. Not all characters are silly or quirky like gaurdians. The humor works for them based on the oddball nature of the characters and backgrounds. It works. Infinity war was the best movie marvel has made mostly because of the serious tone. It carried weight and a sense of dread because of that tone. That should be how villains are portrayed. As villainous, but with purpose, drive and intellect. Their intentions should be frightful. Not something to laugh about. Sure, use laughter as a form of tension release, but do it sparingly.
The fact we didn’t see a 1-2 minute montage of Gorr actually BUTCHERING GODS smh
Madness!
Just sucks that a talent such as Bale was just another throw away villain with no real presence. The character of Gorr could’ve been so much more. The potential of a phenomenal movie was there, but the script was goofier than a National Lampoon movie..
I like the movie...but if they would have stripped that overexagerated comedy and left in the Gorr massacre scenes, I believe this would have been one of the best movies ever made.
I haven’t seen the film but Christian Bale looks awesome in it I really hope Bale to work with Nolan again in a different project now
Thor Love and Slumber definitely had all the business to be as bad as it was. Did you not see what the last Thor movie was, if anyone who knows the source material would even dare to call that atrocity a Thor movie?
I’m just happy that Bale is open to doing another Marvel role. He deserves justice in the MCU.
When did he say this?
@@FullFatVideos He did an interview with Entertainment Tonight not too long ago. I’d link the interview but YT keeps taking it down. Search up “Christian Bale Addresses His MCU Future(Exclusive)” and it should pop up.
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@@RuzYT it’s literally in my reply lol
@@skatemo100 and he said it when
I've always thought that Christian Bale was too good for the MCU
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Yeah, because he should've stayed with DC.
Honestly imagine how cool it would've been if they showed him actually killing gods & going to multiple different planets, finding gods of all different shapes, sizes & ideals, some he may not even want to kill cause they were tryna help but the sword made him do it, then they mirrored the scenes of him killing the gods with scenes of Thor being goofy, out of touch with the damage & destruction he was causing, even having some people come up to him & beg him for help, & him handling the serious situation by making jokes, showing that, yes he is a prime target for the sword & it puts doubt into the peoples minds, then by the end they could've Thor actually helping people & well being a Hero, giving the audience the choice to either root for either side
Gore should have killed zeus instead of thor and hercules believes it was thor would have been better. Gore should have killed some named gods
I actually really didn't like this scene. Something about the performance and VFX just makes it seem like a weird "sketch" rather than a dramatic scene. I remember being so hyped for this movie, sitting down in the theater, watching this scene...and something just felt "off." And that feeling only got worse as the movie went on
Give me a God butcher TV show, from his perspective
Gorr is the hero of the movie. By the time we start seeing gods I want them all dead.
I'll say this...
Whenever I read God of Thunder from now on, I'm gonna always hear Christian Bale's voice whenever Gorr has dialogue; he's that fucking good in this movie.
Like... Christ(ian), I loved him.
The scene I really enjoyed was gorr in the cage with the kids. It is a little hammy but in the dramatics of switching moods - the mania underlying it - I felt played more on the fact that the sword was speaking thru gorr more and more. Or atleast how it should of been played out if that wasn’t the intention. Pair the acting with way the black and grey scale comes in and out with the shadows across gorr to add a level of unease while also showing gorrs contrasting outlook. The goods were good and forgiving, and now the gods must die. The contrast being very black and white, when in reality there is so much grey in between.
All while monolouging to children, inspiring a deep fear that’s there in I would say all of us, that maybe there isn’t anything to truly heroic the gods like Thor. He tries to disillusion them. If nothing else it could have laid seeds in some of the kids to make for a much more compelling final battle by raising the stakes with the kids getting powers because now they really are thrust into a truly dark position of wielding the power of the gods, and what that would mean. But of course this last part is post hoc so who knows. But they could have set up a film with a better payoff had they committed to gorr being the god butcher.
They could have even played it into the theme of Thor being unhinged by showing the destructions he’s causing in the god city and instead of it being comedic Al play it like a tragedy or a god so committed to his subjects that he curses and destroys a utopia so that he may achieve his end result thus making him a god butcher. It could set up Natalie’s story lines and implications for the multiversal kang war
Gorr could have easily been the villain for a phase. This was such a missed opportunity.
This scene feels a bit rushed for me and the truly good Gorr scene for me is the torture scene on the Shadow planet which is so serious and intense
Dude i admit i actually liked thor ragnarok it was actually a pretty fun movie. But im trying to watch thor love and thunder and this is a massive piece of shit. And i rather have watched a entire movie with Christian bale as gorr. Cool character and concept.
I made the cardinal sin of reading the reviews before going to see Thor Love and Thunder
This first scene had me like, what are the people talking about? this movie is looking good
after this scene, oh..... this
I felt the same! I should have said it in the video, I was sure I was going to enjoy it after that scene
Even Chris Hemsworth himself said the writing was that of a child. And for someone who has been playing a joke character for years now, that means something.
I really loved that Gorr finally decided to let go his vengeance and wish her daughter lived. And yes, Bale as Gorr is really a wasted opportunity
100% agree with you, the movie has lots of potential, so is Christian Bale as Gore but of course typical Phase 4 fashion he got wasted. #PleaseDoBetterMarvel
Gorr was perfect to give Thor any character development which didn’t happen at all
I still think that the original (comic) version of this scene is MILES better than what the film did.
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Okay, so - In the comic run, Gorr's daughter is already dead. We get a flashback of her, but by the time we first see Gorr, she's gone. Then, instead of bumping into a Garden of Eden-type place, Gorr reaches the site of what seemed to be a crashed meteor - except it's not a meteor, it's two gods who're locked in their death throes. One is indeed a radiant golden deity, while the other is a midnight-black creature, whose inky blood has seeped into the rocks. Both look dead, but as Gorr approaches, the golden one asks for help.
Gorr is briefly taken aback, but then spits back with vitriol. So long as he has lived, his dying people have begged the gods for help every day. And for what? Nothing. And now, a god asks HIM for help? The utter gall.
Filled with (completely justified) rage, Gorr picks up a black-blood-stained rock, and beats the golden god to death with it. No fancy sword, and more importantly, no overly egotistical deity. Gorr's actions are understandable, but they're not logical. Afterall, the golden guy _isn't even his god._
Having just battered this god to death with his bare hands, wisps of darkness from the other deity's "blood" crawl up Gorr's arm, cloaking him and granting him wings. It's here that, much like the Love and Thunder scene, Gorr decides to kill all the gods.
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It's not done because he was personally slighted, it's because he lived through a lifetime of torment _which could have been avoided._ He's not angry because his god was a cunt, he's angry because the gods don't use their power responsibly.
Then of course enters Thor - who DOES use his power responsibly. He's kind of infamous for it amongst the gods - going out of his way to help ordinary people wherever he can find them, regardless of whether they pray to him or not.
This scene was cool. But I love the scene where he had jane thor and valkery captive explaining how the gods are cruel and selfish
Personally, I think this movie is good but it's so lacking in so many areas and could've been better with so many fixes in the movie. One of the positives is Gorr tho, and this scene showed what a threat he could've been but unfortunately, that' just the MCU in Phase 4, it's shit. I only say it's good because I like the jokes, but it's overdone
It's like a majority of the MCU; create an underdog villain, keep the power establishment as the hero, and kill the weak for the benefit of the current powerful.
As soon as I saw Christian Bale as, err... whoever the hell that was supposed to be I knew it was gonna be shit. Voldemort with a nose is basically Ralph Fiennes being melodramatic. freddy krueger without his burns is just Robert Englund being a bit of a creep. Gore the god butcher being just some bloke with face tattoos is just Christian Bale being his kooky self. It was like watching a preproduction of the movie before the special effects had been added. This movie could do with a Snyder cut. I wanted to see Thor vs Gorr the god butcher, not Thor vs Patrick Bateman. And the excuse given, there were several right off the bat. The actor didn't have enough time to bulk up. In a movie where if the character was comic accurate it would be CGI. That Gorr the God butch looked too much like Voldemort. Yeah, riiiight. As if "a character from another franchise was too similar" was ever a problem. Marvel is getting lazy, it's that simple and it's rapidly killing the franchise.
I feel like Gorr should've at least killed Zeus, who kinda seems like the god among gods in that Sanctuary. Zeus in a show of arrogance challenges Gorr only to underestimate him and get mortally wounded. This also sets up the Hercules tease a bit better, because maybe he blames Thor for leading Gorr to the Sanctuary? Idk just a thought. Also the Guardians felt wasted in this movie. They were there... all of 5 minutes. At least have Star-Lord help. He would empathize with Thor's feelings for Jane, probably.
I'm not entirely sure there is a "best" scene in Thor Love and Thunder. It's a shit movie. But yea, if we want to recognize the best scene in a shit movie I guess this is it. I mean...holy shit. What an awful movie. Good job picking out the point bright point I guess? But I challenge you to find a single person over the age of 12 that enjoyed that shit show. Thanks Disney, thanks Marvel.
In the comics this guy gives Thor freakin PTSD. In the movie he's just...... Mhe.
There is a voice acted rendition of the God butcher story on youtube. Much better!
This 11 minute video is better than the entire runtime of thor love and thunder
Watching that first scene made me so hopeful for how the movie would have shaped up. Christian Bale was an absolute showstopper and it was probably the best buildup in an MCU movie that i've seen in a really long time. What infuriates me is that I was thinking the exact same thing about Omnipotence City, but I only just realized after watching your video that Gorr literally didn't kill any other gods outside of the first scene. What a waste of a great villain, and a waste of Bale's talent. In the comics, Gorr is a hate-fueled, irredeemable slaughter machine who can travel through time, matching him with the likes of Kang in terms of power. Instead, the movie depicts him as a melancholic child abductor with an unnecessary last-minute redemption arc.
Marvel should have made a Gorr the God Butcher-movie before Thor 4.
In general they have a villian problem. They did Thanos right by making in him the hero in Infity War before making him the villian of Endgame. Pure genius!
This movie is the sole reason I don't watch the MCU anymore. So much wasted potential in the actors and in the story. From the GOTG not caring for Thor despite it being set up in Endgame ffs Rocket went through a lot with him. To wasting Bale's massive talent. Then absolutely wasting Jane Foster's cancer storyline my goodness Taika really messed up on this one. Not only one of the worst MCU movies, this is one of the worst movies of all time.
I know you've quit Star Wars for now, but will you check out the Bad Batch Season 2? Some of the episodes literally feel like The Clone Wars season 8!
It’s criminal how underutilized he was. What a powerful scene, robbed of its import because of how awful this goofy-ass movie is.
I loved this movie. I took my son to see it and we both loved it a lot.
My only quibble is that I would not call Eternity a MacGuffin - an object or device in a movie or a book that serves merely as a trigger for the plot. Eternity is considered a living embodiment of the universe. If you are suggesting the living embodiment of the universe is a MacGuffin then you may possibly hold to some philosophy that suggests all is meaningless.
The universe has meaning (even in the MCU). 💝
the main reason I'm disappointed with Gorr's design isn't the lack of alien features but how poorly they did All-Black the Necrosword, an incredibly significant and important weapon within marvel with an absolutely incredible design being reduced too a generic sword that turns into shadows occasionally. its also implied to not be that special and one of many Necroswords when in the comics it's a single extremely powerful sword that has vital implications.
In the comics All-Black was what beheaded the Celestial of Knowhere. it wasn't made to kill Gods but rather Celestials since Knull, who considered all of reality to be an affront to his domain of nothingness, saw them creating planets as intruding on his territory. Considering the eternals movie, I have zero idea why they didn't link the Celestials and All-Black. An end credits scene where it reforges itself and turns into a form closer its its comic one then flies off would have done wonders for me.
Personally I didn't really like this scene. Felt it was undercut by some pretty crappy line delivery from the god and overall the focus on sharp dialogue didn't give me enough time to get drawn into the narrative. Bale's performance was ridiculously good though, goes without saying.
I totally agree! It should have been where Gor should have been killing more gods to find imnipontent city and capturing more children to sacrifice then just when Thor was pleading his case, Gor should have appeared out of no where and attacks the city and mortally wounds Zeus upon which he gives him the lightning bolt. It should have been like a race to omnipotent city where if Gor destroys the city, he destroys all gods in the universe. Because again if they go with the "Eternity" plot then why didnt they use this in End Game?
I never watched Thor once I heaed the woke reviews and the the stupid jokes put on. If researched the hosroty of Gorr and was lookign forward to a dramatic movie abou t Gror torturing Thor who eventua;y escape and years feels bad for not kil;ling Gorr who later kills hundred of gods. But no instead of serious movie the director was an imature dick who wasted a golden caste, with Christian and Chris (who made fool/simp of his legacy and character). They should go back and do it again as a serious rated movie based on the comic.
Glad to see Christyian Bale was true to Goor in this video it looks so good acted aweseome. Such a sad loss of talent. Chris you can do better. Do it again please. No taiko tits.
I think that it definitely gets more hate than it deserves...it was certainly disappointing. I understand the complaints about love and thunder more than Eternals. Eternals was actually a refreshing take on the mcu. L&T was a goofy mess with a few highlights.
Christian Bale should have watched the previous Thor movie to know how crap this one was going to be.
I can only imagine when the part was pitched to Bale, it was a serious role for a mostly serious superhero film. He might have thought it was going to be TDK Trilogy like in tone.
Well, I agree that the best scene was the first one, but after killing HIS god Gorr kinda loses purpose to me? Yeah, he hates all the gods afterwards, but wouldn't it be more impactful more emotionally powerful if he didn't kill his god first? The hatred was palpable, so why not hold on to it longer? To me it felt like the shit is real, but also that he kinda already avenged his daughter when he killed his god. I think it would have made more sense if his god have hid somewhere. Gorr filled with rage would not discriminate and would kill every god he sees in his way to find the one he is looking for and finally when he does, the god would use his daughter against him or smth and maybe he, lost in his rage, wouldn't even choose to save her anymore, because his resolve and his mission would blind him from what started it all and from what it was all about - the sword would actually curse him and feed him with rage to the point of Gorr losing his purpose and autonomy. That would be brutal.
What about Thor? Gorr should be his enemy number one somehow. Maybe Gorr could kill someone precious to Thor then the theme would be about revenge, but from both sides. The Idea of the movie would be - what is the best way to deal with that rage and hatred that fuels revenge - Thor sees the monster Gorr become and understands that its kinda pointless. Other idea would be to play with Thors insecurity and low self esteem and his desperate tries to feel like a hero again would result in seeing Gorr as not truly evil, but cursed an broken and he would try to save him as well. Maybe he would try to save everyone, but that would backfire a few times. Maybe a little bit of both? After he understands revenge he tries to save Gorr from it as well?
Nah, this is stupid as well. Welp, at least I tried.
I just wish they had stuck more to the original Gorr from the comics, his plight actually makes you root for him and want to see the gods punished. His point is proven every step of the way as you witness the full depravity of god kind, even Thor whom he beats up and tortures mercilessly in his youth is an asshole and developes a lifelong trauma of Gorr. His arc becomes complete near the end when he brings his daughter back (or creates a new son can't remember) and she remarks how he has now become a god himself, creating life and it destroys him. He's such a massive threat that young thor, current Thor and old Thor who is as strong if not stronger than Odin face him and get their shit pushed in. Only the ending to that comic is kind of half-assed and terrible, feel free to cut that...
I dd actually like this movie. I just wish they had leaned less on the comedy, and went just a little more serious. This could have been immensely epic, and a severe philosophical and identity moment for Thor to reflect on his 1500 years of being one of these horrible gods. Instead the movie just laughs it all off and moves on.
It's a stupid scene, poorly executed in terms of tone and interpretation of the god character. Bale was good but scene sucks
Taika is the clown in all this, he showed his horrible hand partly in Raknarok already.
Actually, the whole mcguffing hunt and obstuse nonsensical way the story went is suspiciously similar to how Star Wars episode 9 was. It really feels like there is some pattern there.