What's cool about Star-Lord's helmet is that you can see the different parts of it being formed at different times. Most nano-tech just instantly engulfs the user.
I feel like this could all be solved if suits meant for combat had to have physical helmets because they don’t have to move like a cloth and can be solid to provide a lot more protection, which is really important for the head. And Star-Lords helmet as an example wouldn’t need to be physical since it’s more like a space survival tool than a combat suit. This would make a lot of sense for black panther where his whole suit is basically vibranium cloth that needs to be able to move with his body while the helmet is completely rigid and unchanging so it could be made out of really thick and dense vibranium to properly protect his head.
Yet it still reads as 'brief cartoon moment without any physical weight to it' - it's not as lazy as many of the others, but it's still a pretty lazy solution that drags you out of the moment and makes you go 'ah, computer animation thingie'.
You also see where the nano-tech is stored. It's an earpiece that has a button you press. We see him take it off and give it to Gamora. It doesn't appear out of nowhere.
Another reason why the nanotech works in Infinity War/Endgame is that we SAW the progression of Tony’s tech in every movie he was in. The suitcase suit in Iron Man 2, the capsule suit in Avengers 1, the Mark 42 in Iron Man 3, and finally the nanotech in Infinity War. We saw the progression of his tech as it got more advanced in each film, and so when he finally had instantaneous nanotechnology, it felt earned because that was the natural endpoint he was reaching for. But going from Ant-Man 2, where the suit is a physical thing that has to be put on, to Ant-Man 3 where it can just morph around people for seemingly no reason is just really lame.
Stark cracked nanotech. good for him. But that doesn't mean that once the technology is out in the open other people can't use it. Nevermind that most people that use it probably had their gear built by stark.
Not just that, but also the insane durability the suit has. Even iron man's most advanced suits get real damage, but antman? Literally untouched the entire movie. Same with other superheros
Don’t you love when the hero’s helmet materializes only for it to disappear two seconds later because for some reason we always need to see the actor’s face
@@marssamuelzacarias8375 i mean..both 2 other spidermen were not from that universe so their secret identity was not a concern to them whatsoever [also to make the most out of their cameo contract] and as for tom, his identity was already blown eitherway but i do agree masks on are way cooler
The reason the MCU does this is because they are bad writers. It's a way to explain how they can do anything without changing their suits. It's their MacGuffin. Marvel hired hacks around 2016 or so, hence we are getting bad cgi movies, no real conflicts.
Seriously, the way he reaches back and slowly pulls it up over his head adds so much more anticipation to the scene, and lends a, "this is where things get serious," weight to the fight that follows.
@@Trinity_editz0 wolverine standing there with deadpool by the bus like a videogame character waiting for the controller input. even though he is moving and breathing, he looks as if he was heavily edited into that scene instead of actually being there.
Let’s not forget the scene in AntMan when Scott is handcuffed in the backseat and has to wedge his way into the helmet. The lack of instant nano-helmet made for a more intense, pressing moment
Yeah no, no normal person would allow that shit happen again. If you were a hero and that happened you wouldn't be like oh yeah lemme let this happen again for a more pressing moment.
@@staple_boi you serious right now? Well for one you're acting as if this is real life. This is literal fiction where characters let things that shouldn't happen, happen on the daily, and two it's for storytelling and narrative elements. There's a reason people loved the old Marvel movies, it actually had good story elements.
@@arnelcabusao8729 By your logic why would Tony upgrade his suit, its not real life - he's not any mortal danger and may need to take on tougher, stronger threats. Why would spiderman build better tech, its not real life - its not like he's in situations where certain gadgets would come in handy . Why would any sane person in a movie stick their hand in fire, its not real life - they're fictional characters, no harm will come to them. You wanna talk about story elements but forgo letting characters grow, adapt and learn from previous dangers. "Oh no, John's running into another spike trap! It'll be more twice more "pressing" as the first pitfall!" - That's this thread in a nutshell; wanting the same thrills twice.
Deadpool did pretty good job with masks/helmets. Dude wears it almost whole movies, but you still can hear and feel Ryan Reynolds acting. Also, I think Deadpools mask pretty expressive.
Deadpool has the advantage that he's a goofy, fourth-wall-breaking character. This means that when the 'eyes' of his mask move like real eyes so he can emote with them, nobody questions it too much. Imagine if, say, Scott's visor deformed into an eyebrow raise - it'd be strange, to say the least.
@@trianglemoebius visor? No. Mask made of fabric? Yes. You made incorrect example. Let's instead of solid visor take fabric mask of first Spider-Man movies with Tobey, there you could easily edit them to be more expressive.
It's also not just about nanotech helmets, it's also about the actors constantly removing them in the middle of combat. This happened so often in Ant-Man 3, Scott and Cassie were constantly removing their helmets in the middle of a fight, it doesn't make sense, the helmet is there to protect your face.
"I believe this is yours Captain America". Ant Man to Cap handing back his shield without showing his face. That was a perfect scene too, it's not like Paul Rudd needs to show his face to act that scene out. And literally a few scenes later in battle, Iron Man no longer takes his helmet off and it's all in-helmet footage. I think MCU have just given up on stuff like that, OR the Russo Brothers actually cared.
I think the whole "actors can't act with helmets thing" is more about vanity of wanting to be seen. Just look at Last of Us as great as Pedro Pascal is in Mandalorin he doesn't wear a gas mask in the show. The director literally siad this.
i feel like loki, ironman, moonknight, dr strange, and maybe black panther and star lord are the only ones who have a reasonable "appear out of nowhere" thing
With Loki and Moon Knight is magic and it looks fanciful. With Iron Man, you get to see how long he has come with his technology, and it's quite impressive
Spiderman should have his suit but he shouldnt be able to make more because hes not smart enough. But its part of iron mans story that he brings up spiderman as a hero.
Andrew Garfields acting in tasm2 with his suit on is a prime example that you dont need to see his face to feel his frustration with Gwen. As well his desperation when shooting his web to save her from falling.
@@singulariteas When he was watching gwen from a building too. Marvel and their directors tend to forget there's more ways to show a character's emotion other than a face.
The presence of nanotechnology made everything feel so shiny and easy, which is a huge far cry for how physical and imperfect the Iron Man suit felt in the first movies.
But isn't that how its supposed to be as Tony makes new technology to make his suits better? That's why Riri's first suit in Wakanda Forever works. It was also made out of a bunch of stuff and she didn't have the resources or wealth either.
it makes sense for him to be able to have it but not all the others I mean, as their suits got damaged, they would run out of nanotechnology. And they would not have the means to repair it. And as for like self repair, I highly doubt he would implement that, because he's already had one rogue AI situation. I highly doubt he would have wanted the risk a. Rogue nanite situation.
@@admiralkaede thats true and is the actual problem with all the other nano suits compared to iron man's. durability* we saw the problem in endgame and infinity war, ironman's nano suit is less durable than a solid one which give it a weakness, but all the other nano suits seem to be somehow impervious to damage and can never run out of nanobots, even if the user isn't carrying around a tub of metal to replenish it.
I like the way Moonknight’s suit “appears out of nowhere” because it takes time to wrap and seal around his body and almost looks like it’s being summoned from within himself. It’s magical and powered by a god, so there’s some freedom there, but the way it’s done it felt more tangible and creative than nanotech. Also I don’t think it would be that efficient or make much sense for him to take an hour wrapping himself in regular bandages and armor every time he wants to suit up lmao. His is one of the few whose suits and powers feel fitting for the character/plot
He is the one that gets closest to a transformation sequence like a magical girl. In a way it is almost like he is being forcibly transformed with how they handle it, which is fitting given he was forced into the role of moonknight.
Yeah fr it’s cool, and the mask doesn’t constantly disappear and reappear every time he talks during the fights, and Steven actually physically takes off the suits jacket the first time he fights with it and like tosses it aside and rolls up his sleeves. Imagine how lame it would have been if the jacket just disappeared and his sleeves went up
It's amazing how in the original Iron Man back in the day when people were still using flip phones, the suit up scene looks so much better then the recent nanotechnology suit ups. Because you can actually see like the gears working, the metal fitting, pistons firing. It's actually amazing and still holds up to this day. Nowadays we got go go gadget suit.
1 word, practical, you make the suit they put it on an boom you get what you see, with these nanotech suits theres so much naturality in the suits that you lose, wrinkles, tone, shape, like you said the motors of the weapons etc, the second you add cgi it lowers detail on the suit and it always looks worse, like antman clicking open his helmet in his first movie looks sick, its the type of helmet a fan would want to buy and wear because its mechanisms look cool, nanotech unless it fits is just shit like kang is perfect, hes from the future let him have nanotech, but why does lady thor have it? last i checked thor has to take his helmet off
@@KondoAeros you can even see the same thing happening in transformers 4 where the transformers are just a big lump of nanotechy thing that assembles out of bloba.
What's bugs me about the magic helmet (or whatever) is that it appears out of nowhere. It's not stored anywhere on the body; it doesn't come from a storage area. It just generates out of thin air. And when it disappears, nothing on the body expands to store it.
The ones in Quantumania seem to be stored in the back of the collar of the suit though. But beyond that, there's more or less some explanation to every single 'magic helmet' that this seems like a kinda mid nitpick imo. If we don't want to just say "Oh, it's Stark tech" for the non-galactic/future stuff and magic stuff, say the Ant-Man suits (can't count spidey since the iron spider literally is Stark tech-and on that note, saying "we're done with Stark tech" when Tony had such a massive influence on Peter sounds kinda disingenuous and very un-Peter-like. Though now that he's societally anonymous, there's maybe a chance it isn't coming back since maintaining it without Stark Tech might come with major difficulty?), you could easily explain the 'magic helmet' via Pym Particles, it's Ant-Man's whole shtick of resizing things, pretty reasonable to say that if it isn't some form of Stark tech leftover from Endgame, Hank maybe figured out an improvement to the suits using his own tech. Wakandans, they're technologically advanced and Stark nanotech is based off their technology. Jane's Thor helmet, I can understand that gripe, but the entirety of her costume comes from Mjolnir and magically appears on her whenever she wields Mjolnir, if it can magically appear... cuz well, literally Asgardian magic, why shouldn't it be able to magically disappear too? I'm sure the creator's a good content creator but, watching it through I don't really see what the problem is, more that it seems a problem's being made for the sake of having one. It's not like we don't have heroes with the classic sort of suit, we had the Black Widow prequel, Shang-Chi, (as much as I find Riri boring in both the comics and the movie) the Iron Heart prototype before she got Wakandan tech... and for the stuff slated in this phase, I assume Blade won't be magicking on a suit, and if the Fantastic Four end up doing it, Reed Richard's meant to be the smartest man on the world... despite how smart he was against Wanda. But yeah, if the director wants to show the face of an actor as much as possible, sure? None of them are really trying to hide their identities (at the time), after all. It doesn't have to necessitate on being good or bad, so much as it's just a thing, what real harm is it bringing by itself? I can see the issue of Marvel as a whole in its wishy washiness that he pointed out with tight schedules and last minute changes, but if we want to call the 'magic helmet' the emergency bandaid for that, I don't think it's right to blame the solution instead of the actual root problem.
So true it comes from nowhere. I really love spiderman since the first movie,but after this iron spidey suit (that comes from nowhere) I feel really stupid of watching these movies. I don't know, maybe it's just me and I'm fucking stupid. I hate this nanotech thing.
I think it's because Andrew Garfield has a background in theatre. Theatre requires a lot of "body acting", for lack of a better term, since you usually can't see the performance faces closely. Even with his mask on, Andrew's Peter is very emotive with the way he acts.
Awh man, I’m glad you said that. The way they captured emoting through his mask was great, because they’d use his body language and clever zooms, tilts and pans on his face to convey an emotion. We knew if he was surprised, angry, focused, etc, without the fancy shutters that Holland got.
No Way Home managed to bring back the novelty to nanotech during the Doc-Ock fight. Doc notes how impressive the technology is, clearly thinking his Peter has upped the ante, and then, going for the kill after stripping some of the nanotech away, the armor moves to protect Peter’s chest. By doing so, though, Peter’s face is revealed and Doc is stunned. Additionally, the nanotech fleeing onto the arms moves the plot forward by being the catalyst to Doc’s capture. That is how you incorporate nanotech into storytelling
Yea and at the end Peter makes his own suit not out of nanotech and no one knows his identity so his issues with that go out the window cause the same movie fixed it lol
@@ProcyonNite fun fact: people are allowed to have opinions. edit: the human need to ratio others for their internet points to get a sense of superiority never ceases to disappoint me.
What's often overlooked is how good Andrew Garfield was also in acting as Spider-man in both the ASM movies with the mask on. You could really see that each scene whenever he has the mask on, he tries his best to convey what Spidey is actually feeling about the situation with solely depending on his voice and body language.
Best example that I’ve ever seen. He’s by far the best actor to play Spider-Man. You can’t tell when he’s going through all the emotions even without the use of moving lenses!
That really is the best example but even Tobey's spider could convey a lot of emotion with body language, and when body language wasn't enough they would just make him get so beat up that half his mask would be torn and we could see some of his face. It's so weird how the oldest examples are the best and movies just seem to be getting worse, directors are just super lazy nowadays.
What happens when you actually get a talented actor, a great writer, and a director who puts storytelling and character above the cinematography and merchandise
like when gwen secretly comes with him, andrew still has the mask on but you can just SEE and HEAR the panic and stress in him (especially with the way he circles around and puts his hands on his head)
This same argument can be applied to Transformers. Transformers can easily transform instantly or off screen when the plot or film wants to, but in scenes where they are introduced, like the iconic Optimus Prime scenes, the transformations are shown slowly and each gadget inside their bodies are shown with sound design and vfx details. It gives them an element of epicness
@@l0sts0ul89 Yes? Starscream does it in basically all of his fights and the entire third act of Transformers 3 is filled with Autobots constantly switching back and forth, particularly when fighting Sentinel.
Watching the Devastator transformation scene in Transformers 2 at IMAX is one of the best visual experience I've ever had. I was like "holy fuck that robot is gonna eat the entire fucking pyramid".
@@l0sts0ul89 even when they are no transforming constantly they are mechanical, and they use the ability to transform in action sequences. In the first transformers there is a scene were Megatron transforms mid run amongst the chaos, Starscream is often half transformed and many scenes start with a Transformer using the momentum from the transformation process to throw an attack. And then Transformers also got their own nanotech with Galvatron and the smart alloy Transformers who could just becomes a cloud of particles. There is a fun comparison, in one of the first 3 movies there is a scene where one of the autobots begins to drift, transforms to lose the sideways momentum by braking with its legs and skeletal compression and then transforms again into the car going in a direction that is aprox 90 degrees from the original. There is the same scene in T4 where one of smart alloy transformers begins to drift, then just becomes a cloud and reforms around the corner. One of those is so much more satysfing. And those movies are made by Micheal Bay, who lets be honest is not a great director, and yet he understood it for a while(then you know, someone said that CGI is expensive)
the cool down mechanic always mad me frustrated as a kid, but now being older, it's made me appreciate ben as someone who didn't always rely on his aliens for everything, and grew up more mature because of his limitations on transformations
The nanotech thing was believable in civil war too, I was under the impression that it hardened and bulked after he put it on. When they made the new ones for the standalones, they were constantly skintight like spandex. I just feel like armorers or warriors wouldn't do that, because a bullet hitting essentially a layer of hard material over your skin would hurt like hell. It needs bulk, weight.
@@luckyizzac True, his suit does absorb the kinetic energy. But it brings me back to that 'bulk' thing. Recall the civil war scene, he takes off his helmet and you can see the thickness of the suit he's wearing, and how it rides up his neck like metal armor from the past. It looks practical. But the new ones, it's practically a skintight layer and that's it. Hell, even highlights some bodily features if you watch the second BP. It doesn't look or feel protective, it's just bulletproof because vibranium.
@@1597B i mean, if the material can absorb kinetic energy you don't need bulk at all, nor it needs to be like a medieval armor. quite the opposite, the updgrade should be a suit that's as light as possible. no matter the design, the bulk it's useless on a vibranium suit
@@1597B I think that the skintight thing makes him more flexible, and unlike iron man, who uses his suit to enhance his movements, black Panther completely depends on his muscle movement.
I love that the Mandalorian has an actual helmet. And he can freakin' emote the entire show (except for a few moments) with his helmet on. Mando is basically what Master Chief should've been in the Halo tv show.
Sort of like how Ultimate Alliance 2 handled it, they were using nanites to control villains and the nanites began to form their own consciousness and tried to take over the world
It’s also weird to me that they don’t make a gesture when they nanotech the mask off a lot of the time. Like they press a button to initiate the change but the suit somehow knows when they need to remove the helmet (plot of course) and they don’t even need to press a button to do . But we’ve seen countless time that they need to press a button to remove the suit.That always bothered me cause we never see or hear about some mental link with the suits.
There is an argument for Black Panther and Wakanda. In the Black Panther movie, the necklace holding the nanotechnology is controlled via the Kimoyo Beads. It links to their minds to control the suit. Also, the heat shaped herb and the power it grants also help us understand more. The vibranium and Shuri as well. Therefore, I think Black Panther and a SELECT few should have nanotech, but I agree with the main points
Andrew Garfield acted the shit out of Spider-Man in his movies with his face being covered. The body language and movements convey every single emotion that Spider-Man feels throughout the 2 movies
When Scott opens the helmet in Ant Man 1 to say “hi, I’m Scott” it’s one of the smoothest and crispiest helmet openings I’ve ever heard. It’s sad to see what it’s become☹️
Genuinely surprised that you didn't mention the Hulkbuster fight in Age of Ultron while mentioning Iron Man's dilemma of needing to interchange parts. Tony had to pilot an unmanned drone nearby that would send him new parts to replace the ones the hulk would destroy. It kept pace for awhile until the Hulk broke the drone, which forced Tony to level a building on top of them in order to knock him out. It was basically an analogue version of Tony's fight with Thanos in Infinity War.
Mechanical lenses are a REALLY nice part of the MCU Spider-Man though. Using the eyes as emotion indicators like his comic and cartoon versions makes perfect sense.
Best example of this is the bridge scene in tasm 1. You can see emotions rush through him whe the dad thanks him and he says I'm Spider-Man for the first time.
@@IliadicYeah I agree. But I kinda dont like the MCU suites. The design is good, top notch. But the texture......plane, no texture to begin with, non reflective. Kinda reminds me of rugs tbh
I think the best examples of "you can still act with masks on" (in Marvel) are Charlie Cox as Daredevil and Andrew Garfield as Spidey. Even with half their face or all their face covered, we still knew what the characters were feeling - whether they were happy, sad, frustrated, angry etc. Charlie and Andrew portrayed the characters' emotions and intentions through their body language, their tone of voice, and the way they moved their heads. They're both incredible actors and became their characters - I actually don't think this gets talked about enough, especially Charlie as Matt Murdock.
Garfield‘s Spider-Man is a perfect example indeed. The biggest thing I remember from the trailer and first movie are the scenes where he’s fully suited and joking around with some bad guy and that scene is just phenomenal to me as not only did it make a live action Spider-Man feel so lively and human for once but also it was the first live action portrayal of Spider-Man that was close to his comedic personality in the comics. I always felt that Tobey made the better Peter Parker and Andrew made the better Spider-Man while Tom is a good mix of both.
@NationX personally I thought Garfield was the best Spiderman AND Peter Parker, and is still my favourite Spiderman. But that's just my opinion ...and a whole other conversation lol
My favorite example of covering an actors face while retaining emotion/drama is darth Vader’s reaction while Luke is being shocked by the emperor. They never show Vader’s face before this but you can still see how broken and sad he feels when talking to Luke about how it’s too late for him.
Because when practical effects and blue screen were all you had, actors had to, well, ACT. And strangely enough the Original Trilogy is pretty slow compared to modern movies.
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER i personally love that moment in Civil War where Chadwick actually has to physically remove his helmet in order to talk to Zemo. It gave the Black Panther suit so much more tangibility compared to what it is now.
actually pretty much the only thing i disagree with in this video. I really think nanotech works SO well specifically for black panther, idk why, but im glad he got it early.
you personally love that moment, but i remmeber as a kid, i liked it more when black panther put on the cool nano tehcnology suit on the way to kick killmonger's ass. im justsaying, let the kids have what thjey want
You forgot to mention Hugo Weaving's performance in V for Vendetta. His Shakespearean act in that film was superb, the amount of emotion he conveyed with just his voice and body language was phenomenal, I've never seen anything like that.
@@Whiteythereaper Yeah, but I'm referring to the simple scenes in the movie: when V introduce himself to Evey (which is priceless), the two watching a movie together, when he confronts his foes, his famous speech on the news channel... the non action part of the movie, that's when the actor's performance really shines.
tom holland said that whenever he acts as spiderman with the mask on, he acts way more exaggerated where if he wasn't wearing the spiderman suit, he'd look like a crazy person but since we cant see his face it makes sense and we never really notice that he emotes so much with his hands and body
This is also pretty common in Sentai/PowerRangers. Characters will always have much more exaggerated movements when suited up, using their whole body to act.
One of my favorite moments in the MCU was in Civil War, when T'Challa slowly put down his helmet while confronting Zemo. It was a small but impactful moment (for me) because it added humility to an otherwise powerful hero.
indeed. It really conveys that T'Challa was putting his guard down, and approaching Zemo as a fellow human, rather than a hunting hunter. To me taking off a mask/helmet in itself is acting.
@@zahrulexe Exactly. It was an act of vulnerability and humility, which was an enormous contrast to the way he was presented previously: as a vengeful, dangerous, and almost otherworldly presence. That moment would not have had the same impact if the helmet was part of nanotech
I think it works for Tony because throughout the films we see him improve and counter the flaws of his suits, but with nearly every character having nanotech makes Tony less impressive.
yup agreed, and i'd argue the iron spider BECAUSE Tony made it around the same time that he probably made that IW iron man suit and was like eh fuck it i'll give it to him too. BUT it would be cool af if they ever made a classic comic accurate iron spider suit, for him to actually have to disassemble the pieces lol cuz this nanotech shit is just marvel being lazy buying costumes etc . like ffs in no way home tobey didnt even have a mask it was all cgi XD. its not hard to sew a mask
But he invented nanno technology? Wouldn't it make sense that other people would use it too? I mean if someone invented something so advanced and effetient for battle why wouldn't they use it too?
@@glocktop916 that would apply only if Tony invented nanotech and made it publicly available to the point where people like cops or firefighters or soldiers would use nanotech. Like if it was normal for nanotech to be worn by people in dangerous or combat situations. That’s not the case however. Nanotech is now only worn by superheroes that have no business possessing nanotech in their suits. Tony also has those crazy technological floating touch screens that no one else has. And that says something about him as a character. Not every superhero has that technology and that’s fine because they don’t all face the same challenges
@@glocktop916 Did you... actually watch Iron Man 1 or Iron Man 2 or Captain America: The Winter Soldier or Captain America: Civil War? Tony refused to weaponize and profit off of his Arc Reactor, understanding what it's capable of, Stane stole his and turned into the Iron Monger. Tony refused to hand his shit over to the Government, fearing they'd do what Stane did, on a massive geopolitical scale. Vanko created his own off of blueprints and became Whiplash, and gave Hammer the means to create his drone army. Hydra (as SHIELD) was working on those mass surveillance helicarriers, under the guise of "Freedom". Cap was quick to point out that this kind of power is not only overkill, but also not upholding freedom, but forcing people to fear. Taking away their free will. Civil War was literally the culmination of these three conflicts, wherein Tony sees the Avengers as too volatile to be out on their own, needing regulation and to be reined in, while Cap sees the Avengers as the best case judge for protecting the world. The entire crux of these films is the idea that with great power comes great responsibility. It's why people have such a gripe with Tony handing Peter those EDITH glasses-- Peter's just a kid and shouldn't have access to this kind of tech. All that to say, if Tony cracked Nanotech, it specifically makes sense that ONLY he and a select few other characters can utilize it, all of whom are either around his level of intellect, or simply have access to advanced technology surpassing even Tony's. Kang and Shuri being notable ones. Because if just ANYONE can access it, we hit the problem with Vulture's crew in Homecoming, where eventually these regular goons can have access to destructive alien tech. Not only does this provide a narrative pustule throbbing in the side of the MCU's more street-based heroes' stories, but it also removes any semblance of visual and narrative uniqueness that Tony, Kang, and Shuri, have with their nanotech.
Contrasting Tom Holland’s suit at the end of No Way Home against Tobey and Andrew’s suits is so striking. You can see the ripples in the fabric, the stretching, the way the collar sits around their necks. Compared to Tom’s which looks so touched up (especially compared to the previous solo movies).
That was my biggest issue with MCU Spidey, he was just handed some fancy AI guided nano-suit, instead of being a guy who's so broke that he has to fix his own suit after major fight with super-villain because it got torn up. Alto to be fair, some of the things he got as Iron Man Jr. were used for comedic purposes as he usually struggles with them, such as when he accidentally activates drone strike on one of his school mates (think it was Flash?).
We can hope Holland's new suit is more realistic and less touched up in the coming movies as he no longer has access to Stark's fabrication machines and has to make it himself.
Another video mentions this but this is why I adore THE BATMAN; it was just a suit, and Bruce was under the mask for 90% of the movie. He legit has to get physically changed in and out of it like a regular superhero would.
The Batman had so little GCI in that movie and looked great with little CGI, while most of the MCU that year had CGI feast and boy it showed...It doesn't look good!!!
Iron Man 3 is peak suit IMO. I love its emphasis on making armour hopping believable, like when Tony is injecting these trackers into parts of his body (and wiping away blood) just so the pieces actually know what to form around. It lets you excuse when the bits are flying towards him. And also makes sense when Rhodes didn’t get one.
I know how silly this sounds, but my favorite "nanomachine" suit in a movie is Venom from Spider-Man 3. The initial transformation is incredibly shot and animated, and the way it has to creep and crawl its way up Eddie's head everytime he summons the mask on is a great touch. It also helps that when the mask is off, the suit is completely practical.
One of my favourite examples of an actor acting with their mask or helmet, is in the amazing Spider-Man two when you can see that Peter is both angry and stressed that Gwen is there during the electro fight at the end of the movie
Right? Cause the absence of physical emotion allows other parts of filmmaking to shine. But since Marvel is indecisive to the bone, they're not gonna plan around that. Can't imagine them making a moment when the score genuinely matters, when the scores are probably finalized in a weekend when they can spare a whip from the vfx sweatshop.
@@7eddiii Not the case, they were actually planning to shoot the third, the issue was between Garfield and one of the executives. Plus, say what you will about the films, Garfield’s acting is great in them.
Thanks for the whole "you can act with mask too" part, The Mandalorian is a good example, and I also want to add the whole tokusatsu genre; Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, etc.
This was my biggest gripe with Quantumania. I basically checked out of Marvel after Endgame, and came back to find every single character turning their helmets on and off every other minute in the middle of combat. It was almost as immersion breaking for me as MODOK.
The worst part about the nano-tech helmets is that they kindly groom the user's hair when they dissolve away. No helmet hair on these people. In fact, their hair looks just as flawless through the visors. lol
In the comics, spidey literally has a mask on in almost every panel. And somehow when I read his comics, the emotion and feeling I can interpret is as if not better than the mcu’s no mask scenes
The whole point of the classic Spidey mask is that it's one of the most expressive closed-mask designs in comic book history, and MCU just decides - welp, let's not utilise that
The actor to best portray that expressiveness of spider-man in live action is Andrew Garfield. Have you seen him in the suit? He's so damn expressive he doesn't even need to take off the mask.
In Avengers. Loki's battle suit doesn't appear, he's always wearing it. The dress suit is actually an illusion to let him blend in with everyone. Similar to how he makes Mjolnir look like an umbrella in Ragnarok. It still smashes everything in its path in the sanctum but it looks like a flimsy everyday object.
@@connerjensen4948 I'm pretty sure Odin did something to make him appear Asgardian. I guess Loki could probably make himself appear as he should but chooses not to
@@Coolgamer54321 I would argue that they’ve learned to be more careful with how they treat spidey in the movies now, seeing how they went the more traditional comic route with him. It’s the other characters that aren’t gonna be done Justice.
For Tony it actually made sense with his nanotech because we as the audience have seen his trial and error and growth to make the ironman suits and after around 15-20 years of making them it would've made sense in Tony Stark's character to have nanotech. although for other characters besides maybe Black Panther its just used as a Vanity thing. Not counting Spider-man's iron spider suit because that was made by Tony aswell. It was believable before.
I don't think it makes sense for him to use nanotechnology. In a realistic perspective, nano tech would be ridiculously weak and flimsy for armor purposes because it isn't made of chemical bonds, and so why would the tech genius make a suit that's an absolute downgrade from his previous ones?
@@oatmealman1586 I mean it is a movie sometimes it's better to just turn off your brain and enjoy instead of overanalyzing everything also in marvel nanomachines are like alien tech or super advanced even Starlords Helmet in movie and comics used nanotech
Yeah, it makes sense for Tony to have it, but it becomes contrived when almost every character has it now. It's like how Dragon Ball made everyone fly, when it initially only used to be a thing of the Crane School, or if you're a Namekian. Ki attacks are also something that every character has, not like, the generic Ki blasts that are equivalent to a punch in attack, but named, special attacks. It made sense for the Crane School, because they were rivals with Roshi's Turtle School, but then, everyone had a named BFB attack in the Saiyan saga onwards.
@@oatmealman1586 Why do you talk about real life stuff when this it's a movie? It's not even about turn off your brain, it's just a way to show character development with all the armors that he had used in all those years, and if in this fictional universe the nano tech it's the ultimate form of armor tech, then it's right and there's no more to discuss. The point it's not abot if it's realistic or not, but how it fits in the films: is it a good design? It means something for the story? What imples to the character? Is it necessary? Maybe for Tony but no one else
@@oatmealman1586 Tony had already sacrificed some durability in exchange of a suit that can fly to his location rather than being carried around a suitcase, the fact it would dissassembled itself was even used for a joke on the final battle. With the nanotech suit, he exchanged durability for modularity, on the battle against Thanos in Infinity War, he kept switching back and a fourth between weapons, going as far as having an actual shield. With the regular suit he had no real answer to an attacker that was going to use close quarters combat, thats how he lost to Captain America, in his case it makes a lot of sense to have an armor that can switch between long and close range attacks on the fly, even if it comes at the cost of some durability.
It’d be cool if the characters even acknowledged the nanotech moving across their faces? Like a small flinch at the sudden feeling of moment, adjusting their breathing to the outside air, maybe closing their eyes to let the nanotech elegantly reveal their expression, SOMETHING. It’s so lazily cgi’d over an actor right now.
I feel like people so often forget that acting with masks is, like, one of the oldest forms in the world. Ancient Greek theatre had emotive masks and exaggerated body language for the benefit of those in the audience who were sat further away from the stage, and some masks were even designed to funnel the voices of the performers outward and project them further. Performance art among indigenous populations in South America similarly had masks, as does kabuki theatre in Japan. (I just spent 4 years and 60k on a theatre degree, I gotta use it somehow). It's entirely possible for a good performer to emote perfectly well when wearing a well-designed mask - we don't need nanotech helmets unveiling their faces every five minutes just so we can see Paul Rudd's ageless face.
@@troopers0312 now I wouldn't put them down that bad. Those suit actors have acted before the maskless actors were even an itch in their daddy's ball sacks. No seriously, dude. Suit actors are just built different.
Am I the only one who want Practical Helmets like the ones seen in The Mandalorian? Seriously real practical Helmets to me make it more immersive then CGI Helmets.
@@aaronlogue6281 It would be a real helmet, until Disney replaced it with CGI one. That's how they do it all these time. Or no helmet at all while filming.
@@RahmatTantular yep and honestly its sad because they would have more time to work shit that actually needs cgi like she hulk or modok. If marvel didnt make every suit cgi they would not be having all these vfx issues rn. Cgi is a tool not a crutch
@@RahmatTantular imagine if robert pattinson had his fantastic suit replaced with vfxs in the batman. If marvel didnt rely so heavily on cgi and just used it for things that absolutly needed it like thanos they wouldntt need to give antman 3's money to black panther 2 and basically pick favorites on witch movie looks better. The cgi in black panther 1 was sub par cause they put infinity war as priority. If they didnt overuse it then they wouldnt need to do that just let black panter have his suit be real and you would not need to skim on the cgi budget for the rhinos witch armored rhinos makes sense to be cgi not a suit just saying
Friendly reminder that in the [Mandalorian], there are like 3 actors that wear the suit throughout the show, for gunslinging, close quarters combat, etc, and Pedro voices most of the time (When he's not seen underneath)
...and the dude in the video talks about him acting with movement💀he's a goat fr but most of the time it's simply voice acting, which contradicts the whole thing as we're seeing unknown stuntman doing the acting part visually.
@@DarkLordoftheSith13 how does that contradict it? It still shows that we don’t need see the actors face and the MCU already uses stunt men when not using CGI.
@@DarkLordoftheSith13 Then the credit just goes to the Stuntman doing the actions, which is still hard to do when now the voice isn't even yours yet you need to match your body movement to the tone and intensity
I kinda miss the feeling you get in the iron man movies where the suits feel like real tech that has to go through maintenance and can be picked up and moved around.
Regarding the indecisiveness of the helmets until last minute, that is a systemic issue that is effecting ever facet of the entertainment industry. I worked in 2D animation in Los Angeles. We would be in postproduction, and the producers would still be asking for script rewrites one month before the show is supposed to air. That’s insane because voice actors would have to redo their lines and that changes everything down the pipeline. The advent of digital production has really changed the way shows are made. It’s much faster now. I worked on a show that produced an entire season in 9 months from pre to post. That’s insane. Producers have gotten really nit picky, and as a result, everyone down the line is just ‘doing their job’ cause no one knows the plan. Nobody wants to put their heart into something and have it cut out two weeks later. It’s kind of soul crushing if your in it for more than money.
Feel for u bro.i also do 2d but home level.and I looove changing shit .it's more of a compulsion for me but I just want a long lasting thing.any ways I hope y'all don't lose heart in the game cuz it's literally the only type of animation I love and I'd hate for it to die
I generally agree - do want to point out that Dr. Strange had a minor magical girl transformation sequence in Dr. Strange 2 when he jumps out the window and turns into a wizard.
Magic is different. If a character can do literal magic, I see nothing at all wrong with their stuff coming out of nowhere. Thats the point of magic - it defies logic and rationality.
The real problem with the MCU now, is that earthling technology is too advanced on us, so we don't even know what is technically possible for them. We also don't understand why they struggle with diseases such as cancer in Thor Love and Thunder...
my favourite example is the young justice series, they built an insanely large universe with the majority of DC characters in it but yet you never feel like the technology is stepping on the less advanced characters,like you dont have someone like blue beetle going in and out of his suit and it makes you sit there and think "why doesnt nightwing do that" because they set it all up properly, the tech is more advanced than us but its not so insanely advanced where something like the beetle suit is a common occurence, they make these heroes with special technology one offs, they have the only version of a few for their certain tech
I mean real life has some pretty advanced tech and scientific knowledge, yet disease and hunger are still a problem. Not that much a shocker the MCU has similar issues in that universe.
I actually have problem with them taking off their helmets in general. I guess its in their contract to show their faces so actors get paid or sth, but its so annoying how so many characters keep taking off their masks and helmets during a heated combat situations.
Amen, it's a real pain, and I find it takes me out of the movie, especially when knowing the reasons behind it are often less for storytelling purposes and more about cinematic business politics.
I noticed this during the latest Ant man. I leaned over to my friend and said “dude why do they have helmets if they’re going to always take them off.” It just seems pointless to have them
At 3:42 you showed a clip of Moon Knight. The suiting up makes sense for that character. It's literal magic. A big part of magic is stuff *appearing out of nowhere*
That is true and the general idea of it should stay similar, but the issue mainly is that it just isn't very inventive. It can appear out of nowhere sure... But how SHOULD it appear? Furthermore, how should it disappear? Moon Knight and his suit feels like the bare minimum. I don't just want to see the elements of the suit appear and form around the character seamlessly all at once. I want to see those bandages unfurl from the clothes he was previously wearing. Writhing around the character's form and tightening in a clear viscerally imaginative manner. The problem with Moon Knight and many a characters suit up sequences is that they don't take advantage of either the physical or magical aspects that end up leaving an impact on us as an audience.
A masked hero taking off their mask to reveal themselves is such a cool and dramatic image and I'd rather see the hero actually do it than it just disappearing like it was never real.
I think Iron Man 3 had the best example of using a suit to the plots advantage. He had a whole scene where he slowly gained every piece of his suit. He had to get creative with every piece of his armor
"Acting doesn't only require the face." Good point. Edward Norton wore a mask when he played the role of King Baldwin IV aka The Leper King in the movie Kingdom of Heaven and still delivered an astounding performance.
One issue I have that comes up pretty often is people taking off their helmets in active battles for them to say like two lines and put it on again (or rather nanomagic it on). This KILLS the suspense of disbelieve. And since the common use of nanotech I feel like this happens even more often
2:57 This really reminded me of Japan's superhero culture with their Tokusatsu media, where the superhero franchises there like Kamen Rider would have dedicated transformation sequences and poses that would make crossover events feel all the more special for the fans to be able to see these 'group henshin' transformation sequences occurring simultaneously between with different heroes.
@@notationmusical Tokusatsu, when you get down to it, is sort of a magical girls series but made for boys (at least originally, I think it has a lot of general appeal now). As for Precure, it's what happens if Sailor Moon and DBZ had a baby, and I'm 100% there for it.
I kinda think it shows that Din is devout to hiding his face and generally upholding the creed, even after excommunication, where as Boba sees the same beliefs as just having a few nice ideas. He definitely didn’t feel like Boba from the OT, and that’s a valid criticism, but it was to take a legacy character in a new direction. All in all, it wasn’t great, but in all honesty, I did enjoy it.
Even if they had wanted to remove Mando's helmet more, they couldn't, because it's one of the central plot points of the story that he shouldn't remove his helmet, but that doesn't apply to Boba Fett as he is not a member of the children of the watch (nor a mandalorian to begin with)
While it is dumb, Boba isn't mando, he isn't part of that group that requires helmets, they wanted boba to have his helmet off often, sounds like you are forgetting who boba is
Honestly, my biggest pet peeve about ant man’s nanotech suit is that I don’t really get how pym particles, which are either stored as a liquid (usually) or a gas (the comics iirc), could be condensed into nanites…
"Condensed into nanites" ... Do you know what nanites are? They're tiny robots. A Pym Particle is an even tinier particle. It can fit inside a nanite if it needs to. Also, the whole suit shrinks to the size of an Ant, including any remaining Pym Particles, and you're wondering how they fit? lmfao.
Crazy how so many people have liked this comment. You literally see tanks being shrunk to key chains and building being shrunk to suit cases and your pet peeve is about how you couldn't shrink a regular sized robot into a smaller one?
I was actually thinking about this exact thing, and thinking specifically of T'Challa taking his helmet off to confront Zemo at the end of Civil War. That was a powerful moment.
I remember when a big part of a superhero movies was the main character having to create his suit… now it’s all given to them - - and don’t say “No Way Home” cos he spent 6 movies with suits being handed to him without needing to make his own.
@@firstlast9846 Yeah, the epic moment where the guy shows up with a suit because they have earned it, and they have an excellent scene. Like, I enjoyed Quantumania, but they could have made Cassie's first suit up seem epic, or even earned. Maybe even having a reference to when she said "I could be your super partner"
Did anyone notice in NWH that all 3 of the Spider Men's masks just appear out of nowhere whenever they wanted to cover their faces even though their was no masks in their hand. I was really shocked when I saw the Bts that even the mask is CGI. Marvel just won't stop overusing Cgi.
@@Ultinuc No I mean they were fully CGI in the final fight. It was really good but I noticed that when they wear their masks they masks comes out of nowhere.
@@migovas1483 indeed at least looking forward spiderman wont have no nano tech suit he will have the good old fashion normal one with probably the same mask for the eye changing
I'm glad you mentioned DC's usage of nanotech as well as Marvel. I really liked how they used nanotech with Bloodsport's weapons, while still giving him a more traditional helmet. It was demonstrated well throughout the film, so that when he runs out of weapons it didn't feel ridiculous. Hawkman in Black Adam though, to me he seemed like an MCU character, his helmet and weapons looked more obviously CG. And because he was introduced in that film as part of a group that weren't even the main focus, I didn't have a clue if he was supposed to have powers or just technology. And since I haven't read any comics with him, I found it less interesting since he just appeared as another generic nanotech weilding superhero.
I mean bloodsport is more like him taking bits off of his very real suit, those bits can combine to form different guns n shit. Feels a lot different than marvel's use if nanotech imo
Well... in the comic Hawkman use the Armor of Nth Metal. These metals are only use by (Thanagarian aka Hawkman/girl) The Metal is a combination of Magic + ancient tech came from one of the old god . The Nth Metal could observe any energy such as magic or kinetic blast and so on . Is like Thor's Hammer and Aquaman's Trident but it is not just a single weapon
Bloodsport's helmet was still made of nanotech somewhat, it still spawns out of a singular piece like his weapons. Difference here is he actually embraced the helmet and kept it on for so long. He literally had it on while wearing nothing but undies. Try topping that MCU...
Black Adam was a shitshow and pure MCU copycat because that's how Dwayne Johnson wants it, that ego-maniac piece of cardboard. DC was never a stable franchise, but I believe Black Adam could've been a better piece of entertainment. Heck, Shazam was directed by a short-movie director with such a minimalistic budget yet could steal the show.
The ending of No Way Home implied a gradual return to non-nanotech suits, and it fit. Tony isn't around to build suits for Peter anymore and wouldn't know him even if he was. Peter is on his own so he had to sew his own suit with material he bought from a craft store. The integrated suit he gets half way through the movie when Doc Oc gives him what remains of the nanotech suit implies this as well. A gradual stepping stone to what we would later see at the end of the film. It does make sense for more tech-driven heros like Ant-Man, or so-good-it's-like-magic heros with Thor, or even Dr. Strange where it just is magic, to have something that acts like or outright is nanotech, but I think that's the aspect the MCU is now fighting with. Heros and villains are being made as opposed to the old goofy and cliche accidents that used to create them which were silly but at least meant that they didn't need a suit to be "someone". It's funny that agian that's something Spider-Man addresses. "If you're nothing without the suit you don't deserve to have it" and unfortunately, many of these current characters are just average people without the suit. Even the villains poke fun at this with the conversation between Sandman and Electro; "gotta be careful where you fall". By being grounded and realistic, the MCU has lost the ability to explain why hero's exist without the help of their tech, and if you have nanotech in existence, why wouldn't you use it?
@@tjz3158 along with Venom, he's a symbiote he is the suit for Eddie Brock he can morph around himself and Eddie for the suit, and as for the rest of the MCU, I think the MCU is pretty much porked in terms of costumes everything is nanotech unless you feel like bullying and harassing Disney and Marvel execs to stop this
" if you are nothing without a suit you don't deserve to have it" MCU has let Ironman down by making characters that are nothing/average without a suit
@@norouziman8748 Excellent point. Spider-Man may lead the charge to new types of suits if a symbiote film or even trilogy is in the works. It's still a suit driven power but at least it moves away from nanotech. Just as Thor and Guardians opened up the MCU to the cosmic stuff and then made it much more believable for a lot of that stuff to exist in a grounded world we were introduced to in Iron Man (commented on by Iron Man in his farewell speech when he talks about how much his understanding of the universe has grown and how big and full it is). Spider-Man may be the leader both of the Avengers and of the MCU in a meta-sense as his films introduce whatever comes next to work as an excuse as to why people are "super".
Dont you love it when heroes and villains use their helmets/masks for 5% of the movie, always taking them off every 2 seconds even when they are in dangerous situations where it would make sense to have their heads/faces covered
I think that occurs for two reasons: - You need to showcase the actor's expressions, and it can be difficult if they're wearing a helmet - When you have a big star, you want to capitalise on that
@@ClubberOntop that might also have been a take that to how superhero movies in the 2000s tried to make everything look like "realistic" military gear, so they gave Goblin a helmet. As such, NWH just said "hey, now we're Comic Accurate"
yeah but it looks stupid that the god of thunder can magically materialize a metal helmet. with lokis case it makes sense because he learned magic from frigga and his powers include like disguises and stuff
I didn’t really have an issue with some of the mask issues until Ant-Man when it felt like it was more Scott Lang than Ant-Man, like I literally was like “wait what does the mask look like again?” Because It genuinely wasn’t shown that much
I think Bloodsport's nanotechnology looked cool because we actually see him put it together in unique configurations and he also runs out of weapons once he's used them up.
I wish there were downsides to using the nanotech suits, so they were only used for specific situations. Tony used to have many different iron man suits for different situations and it was cool to see that. Would be cool if Spider-Man used his normal suit most of the time and only used the nano suit for specific things
Yeah Iron Man just kinda has 1 or 2 suits per movie and it's not interesting Come on don't tell me your only contingency was "the hulk" There's so much opportunity to sell toys here come on!
The original Iron Legion literally was Tony’s contingency plan thanks to his paranoia after the first Avengers movie And his only other suit was made to combat the hulk I don’t know why it never occurred to Tony that the possibility of other characters turning against the team would be there, considering they once had to deal with a mind controlled Hawkeye, once had to fight Thor, and had constant conflict with Steve I mean I don’t want it to be a Batman thing where he has plans for every member, but if even comic stark went as far as the Thorbuster, it doesn’t seem far off
@@ryon5174Batman has the hell-bat suit which is the most powerful suit used to fight darkseid. It has negative effects when used for a long period of time so he uses it only when extremely necessary
its crazy cause they literally did show the downsides of nanotech suits with infinity war, its super adaptable but also very limited and has to adapt on the fly, to which tony then fixed that issue by making it where his suit creates energy projections rather than physical weapons.
I've been thinking this for a while. Totally agree. Also on the topic of transformation scenes... the last time we saw Bruce Banner transform into The Hulk was the first Avengers movie.
Din Djarin from the Mandalorian and Master Chief from Halo are great examples of characters who obscure their face but still act well. I also found myself thinking of V for Vendetta. The audience NEVER gets to see V's face, not even once, but he conveys emotions quite well.
@@Liquorice_Monster Good call lol. I watched it out of mild curiosity and couldn't make it past episode 4. Bastardization of the Halo setting and its characters aside, the show has extremely bad pacing and structure problems. It follows this sort of A-B-A-B formula where you get one episode dedicated entirely to the main characters (John Halo & Co.) where all the major plot points happen, and then the next episode is dedicated solely to this one Korean lady colonist and her story against the not-Space Nazis. It's the most boring and uneventful sci-fi I've ever seen. Might as well be watching static white noise.
i'd put darth vader in there as well he wore a helmet for most of the original trilogy only showing the back of his head in empire strikes back and his face during his death and he is the most iconic movie villain of all time. you could feel his anger his sadness everything without seeing david prowse's face.
What's cool about Star-Lord's helmet is that you can see the different parts of it being formed at different times. Most nano-tech just instantly engulfs the user.
This,you can see it builds up parts. Others feels more fluid which isn't right
Plus he has to actually activate and deactivate it. Other suits and helmets just appear with no obvious reason why aside from it needs to happen.
I feel like this could all be solved if suits meant for combat had to have physical helmets because they don’t have to move like a cloth and can be solid to provide a lot more protection, which is really important for the head. And Star-Lords helmet as an example wouldn’t need to be physical since it’s more like a space survival tool than a combat suit. This would make a lot of sense for black panther where his whole suit is basically vibranium cloth that needs to be able to move with his body while the helmet is completely rigid and unchanging so it could be made out of really thick and dense vibranium to properly protect his head.
Yet it still reads as 'brief cartoon moment without any physical weight to it' - it's not as lazy as many of the others, but it's still a pretty lazy solution that drags you out of the moment and makes you go 'ah, computer animation thingie'.
You also see where the nano-tech is stored. It's an earpiece that has a button you press. We see him take it off and give it to Gamora. It doesn't appear out of nowhere.
Another reason why the nanotech works in Infinity War/Endgame is that we SAW the progression of Tony’s tech in every movie he was in. The suitcase suit in Iron Man 2, the capsule suit in Avengers 1, the Mark 42 in Iron Man 3, and finally the nanotech in Infinity War. We saw the progression of his tech as it got more advanced in each film, and so when he finally had instantaneous nanotechnology, it felt earned because that was the natural endpoint he was reaching for. But going from Ant-Man 2, where the suit is a physical thing that has to be put on, to Ant-Man 3 where it can just morph around people for seemingly no reason is just really lame.
Stark cracked nanotech. good for him. But that doesn't mean that once the technology is out in the open other people can't use it. Nevermind that most people that use it probably had their gear built by stark.
Dude your so right! It's almost like if someone invented the light bulb and everyone doesn't use it apart from the inventor. I love your logic!!
I agree but it looks bad
Not just that, but also the insane durability the suit has. Even iron man's most advanced suits get real damage, but antman? Literally untouched the entire movie. Same with other superheros
Classical MCU ended after Endgame. Antman 3 and Doctor Strange 2 are among the worst written films I've seen in years.
Don’t you love when the hero’s helmet materializes only for it to disappear two seconds later because for some reason we always need to see the actor’s face
No Way Home is notoriously guilty about this. I love seeing the 3 spidermen but i hated them removing their masks in front of each villain they faced.
@@marssamuelzacarias8375 i mean..both 2 other spidermen were not from that universe so their secret identity was not a concern to them whatsoever [also to make the most out of their cameo contract] and as for tom, his identity was already blown eitherway but i do agree masks on are way cooler
The reason the MCU does this is because they are bad writers. It's a way to explain how they can do anything without changing their suits.
It's their MacGuffin. Marvel hired hacks around 2016 or so, hence we are getting bad cgi movies, no real conflicts.
@@Mark_Knight What? That makes no sense. You don't need to write a suit change into a movie. It wouldn't change the script.
@@jeremyorth5138 The video literally goes into the mask and suit changes and reasons for it, minus the poor writers abilities.
I’m so glad Wolverine’s helmet worked like a hood in D+W
Seriously, the way he reaches back and slowly pulls it up over his head adds so much more anticipation to the scene, and lends a, "this is where things get serious," weight to the fight that follows.
And still the scene where they jump out of the bus looks super unnatural
the only part i dislike about the movie@@Trinity_editz0
@@Trinity_editz0That was cgi
@@Trinity_editz0 wolverine standing there with deadpool by the bus like a videogame character waiting for the controller input. even though he is moving and breathing, he looks as if he was heavily edited into that scene instead of actually being there.
Let’s not forget the scene in AntMan when Scott is handcuffed in the backseat and has to wedge his way into the helmet. The lack of instant nano-helmet made for a more intense, pressing moment
Yeah it worked so well
Yeah no, no normal person would allow that shit happen again. If you were a hero and that happened you wouldn't be like oh yeah lemme let this happen again for a more pressing moment.
@@staple_boi you serious right now? Well for one you're acting as if this is real life. This is literal fiction where characters let things that shouldn't happen, happen on the daily, and two it's for storytelling and narrative elements. There's a reason people loved the old Marvel movies, it actually had good story elements.
@@staple_boi me when i demand media have zero narrative signifigance so that the fictional characters in it live comfortably
@@arnelcabusao8729 By your logic why would Tony upgrade his suit, its not real life - he's not any mortal danger and may need to take on tougher, stronger threats. Why would spiderman build better tech, its not real life - its not like he's in situations where certain gadgets would come in handy . Why would any sane person in a movie stick their hand in fire, its not real life - they're fictional characters, no harm will come to them. You wanna talk about story elements but forgo letting characters grow, adapt and learn from previous dangers. "Oh no, John's running into another spike trap! It'll be more twice more "pressing" as the first pitfall!" - That's this thread in a nutshell; wanting the same thrills twice.
Deadpool did pretty good job with masks/helmets. Dude wears it almost whole movies, but you still can hear and feel Ryan Reynolds acting. Also, I think Deadpools mask pretty expressive.
Can't have that when actors turn into A listers and they must show their face to justify being there. Reynolds is indeed amazing in that sense.
@@ArnoldsKtm Deadpool is perfect for this though cause there is no real A-list actor’s face to show! Just a scared up deformed mess of one!
Deadpool has the advantage that he's a goofy, fourth-wall-breaking character. This means that when the 'eyes' of his mask move like real eyes so he can emote with them, nobody questions it too much.
Imagine if, say, Scott's visor deformed into an eyebrow raise - it'd be strange, to say the least.
@@trianglemoebius visor? No. Mask made of fabric? Yes.
You made incorrect example. Let's instead of solid visor take fabric mask of first Spider-Man movies with Tobey, there you could easily edit them to be more expressive.
That is how Spider-Man's mask should always be except, you know, it looks like Spider-Man.
It's also not just about nanotech helmets, it's also about the actors constantly removing them in the middle of combat. This happened so often in Ant-Man 3, Scott and Cassie were constantly removing their helmets in the middle of a fight, it doesn't make sense, the helmet is there to protect your face.
That bothered me the entire time I was watching Antman 3. Cassie and Scott would remove their helmets like damn near every time they spoke.
"I believe this is yours Captain America". Ant Man to Cap handing back his shield without showing his face. That was a perfect scene too, it's not like Paul Rudd needs to show his face to act that scene out. And literally a few scenes later in battle, Iron Man no longer takes his helmet off and it's all in-helmet footage.
I think MCU have just given up on stuff like that, OR the Russo Brothers actually cared.
Also aren’t they supposed to stay helmeted while giant/ant sized to avoid….dying?
I think the whole "actors can't act with helmets thing" is more about vanity of wanting to be seen. Just look at Last of Us as great as Pedro Pascal is in Mandalorin he doesn't wear a gas mask in the show. The director literally siad this.
@@daylanbrawley631 that's what I thought too
i feel like loki, ironman, moonknight, dr strange, and maybe black panther and star lord are the only ones who have a reasonable "appear out of nowhere" thing
With Loki and Moon Knight is magic and it looks fanciful. With Iron Man, you get to see how long he has come with his technology, and it's quite impressive
Scarlet Witch??
@@allenpensivy3030 when she had the dark hold maybe
3 magic users and the 2 guys with the most advanced tech on earth, that makes sense
Spiderman should have his suit but he shouldnt be able to make more because hes not smart enough. But its part of iron mans story that he brings up spiderman as a hero.
I love how NanoTech only used for superhero costume, but not for like CURING CANCER or literally anything else than superhero costumes.
Didn’t Shuri try this with T’Challa?
@@nyehu09 Don’t think it went that way. Pretty sure she was trying to recreate the plant they used in the first Black Panther to save him.
@@vendettatamsu3662 OHH RIIIGGHHT RIGHT RIGHT 😅
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Stark invented that already, the same device they used to create Vision
Andrew Garfields acting in tasm2 with his suit on is a prime example that you dont need to see his face to feel his frustration with Gwen. As well his desperation when shooting his web to save her from falling.
he didn’t even have the moving eye lens! and you could still feel every emotion he was trying to portray. that’s good acting
@@singulariteas When he was watching gwen from a building too. Marvel and their directors tend to forget there's more ways to show a character's emotion other than a face.
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Andrew were different 😂, he is still the bestest Spiderman that sony had
Yeah, amazing body language and distress in his voice. He had more emotion than tom holland's spider suit eyes that can squint lmao
The presence of nanotechnology made everything feel so shiny and easy, which is a huge far cry for how physical and imperfect the Iron Man suit felt in the first movies.
Exactly!
But isn't that how its supposed to be as Tony makes new technology to make his suits better? That's why Riri's first suit in Wakanda Forever works. It was also made out of a bunch of stuff and she didn't have the resources or wealth either.
it makes sense for him to be able to have it but not all the others I mean, as their suits got damaged, they would run out of nanotechnology. And they would not have the means to repair it. And as for like self repair, I highly doubt he would implement that, because he's already had one rogue AI situation. I highly doubt he would have wanted the risk a. Rogue nanite situation.
@@admiralkaede thats true and is the actual problem with all the other nano suits compared to iron man's. durability*
we saw the problem in endgame and infinity war, ironman's nano suit is less durable than a solid one which give it a weakness, but all the other nano suits seem to be somehow impervious to damage and can never run out of nanobots, even if the user isn't carrying around a tub of metal to replenish it.
But the mark 2 through series was extremely tanky.
if Dr doom has nanotechnology I will cry in the theater
Bring tissues.
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He'll probably use magic or something but hey he's both techy and magic.
@@Deadpool-mcu2024 ohh yeahhh they gotta hire you feller
@@snailistic777bro I actually laughed at this 😭
I like the way Moonknight’s suit “appears out of nowhere” because it takes time to wrap and seal around his body and almost looks like it’s being summoned from within himself. It’s magical and powered by a god, so there’s some freedom there, but the way it’s done it felt more tangible and creative than nanotech. Also I don’t think it would be that efficient or make much sense for him to take an hour wrapping himself in regular bandages and armor every time he wants to suit up lmao. His is one of the few whose suits and powers feel fitting for the character/plot
He is the one that gets closest to a transformation sequence like a magical girl. In a way it is almost like he is being forcibly transformed with how they handle it, which is fitting given he was forced into the role of moonknight.
Definitely inspired by sailor moon. If you watch the bandaged wrap in the same way as sailor moon.
Yea it made total sense to me
Yeah fr it’s cool, and the mask doesn’t constantly disappear and reappear every time he talks during the fights, and Steven actually physically takes off the suits jacket the first time he fights with it and like tosses it aside and rolls up his sleeves. Imagine how lame it would have been if the jacket just disappeared and his sleeves went up
his suit is one of the best
It's amazing how in the original Iron Man back in the day when people were still using flip phones, the suit up scene looks so much better then the recent nanotechnology suit ups.
Because you can actually see like the gears working, the metal fitting, pistons firing. It's actually amazing and still holds up to this day.
Nowadays we got go go gadget suit.
You also have the transformer movie to thank for the moving gears thing
1 word, practical, you make the suit they put it on an boom you get what you see, with these nanotech suits theres so much naturality in the suits that you lose, wrinkles, tone, shape, like you said the motors of the weapons etc, the second you add cgi it lowers detail on the suit and it always looks worse, like antman clicking open his helmet in his first movie looks sick, its the type of helmet a fan would want to buy and wear because its mechanisms look cool, nanotech unless it fits is just shit like kang is perfect, hes from the future let him have nanotech, but why does lady thor have it? last i checked thor has to take his helmet off
I always thought none of the subsequent Iron Man suits looked as good as the ones in Iron Man (2008) or the first Avengers.
@@KondoAeros you can even see the same thing happening in transformers 4 where the transformers are just a big lump of nanotechy thing that assembles out of bloba.
The first Iron man was a big part of why I wanted to join the VFX industry as a kid. It's really sad what it's become but hey more jobs I guess...
What's bugs me about the magic helmet (or whatever) is that it appears out of nowhere. It's not stored anywhere on the body; it doesn't come from a storage area. It just generates out of thin air. And when it disappears, nothing on the body expands to store it.
The ones in Quantumania seem to be stored in the back of the collar of the suit though.
But beyond that, there's more or less some explanation to every single 'magic helmet' that this seems like a kinda mid nitpick imo. If we don't want to just say "Oh, it's Stark tech" for the non-galactic/future stuff and magic stuff, say the Ant-Man suits (can't count spidey since the iron spider literally is Stark tech-and on that note, saying "we're done with Stark tech" when Tony had such a massive influence on Peter sounds kinda disingenuous and very un-Peter-like. Though now that he's societally anonymous, there's maybe a chance it isn't coming back since maintaining it without Stark Tech might come with major difficulty?), you could easily explain the 'magic helmet' via Pym Particles, it's Ant-Man's whole shtick of resizing things, pretty reasonable to say that if it isn't some form of Stark tech leftover from Endgame, Hank maybe figured out an improvement to the suits using his own tech.
Wakandans, they're technologically advanced and Stark nanotech is based off their technology.
Jane's Thor helmet, I can understand that gripe, but the entirety of her costume comes from Mjolnir and magically appears on her whenever she wields Mjolnir, if it can magically appear... cuz well, literally Asgardian magic, why shouldn't it be able to magically disappear too?
I'm sure the creator's a good content creator but, watching it through I don't really see what the problem is, more that it seems a problem's being made for the sake of having one. It's not like we don't have heroes with the classic sort of suit, we had the Black Widow prequel, Shang-Chi, (as much as I find Riri boring in both the comics and the movie) the Iron Heart prototype before she got Wakandan tech...
and for the stuff slated in this phase, I assume Blade won't be magicking on a suit, and if the Fantastic Four end up doing it, Reed Richard's meant to be the smartest man on the world... despite how smart he was against Wanda.
But yeah, if the director wants to show the face of an actor as much as possible, sure? None of them are really trying to hide their identities (at the time), after all. It doesn't have to necessitate on being good or bad, so much as it's just a thing, what real harm is it bringing by itself? I can see the issue of Marvel as a whole in its wishy washiness that he pointed out with tight schedules and last minute changes, but if we want to call the 'magic helmet' the emergency bandaid for that, I don't think it's right to blame the solution instead of the actual root problem.
Really this bugs you? You probably need medication if this really bugs you.
So true it comes from nowhere. I really love spiderman since the first movie,but after this iron spidey suit (that comes from nowhere) I feel really stupid of watching these movies.
I don't know, maybe it's just me and I'm fucking stupid. I hate this nanotech thing.
@@baytownoutlaw9992 Guess people flying, shrinking and reversing time is also bugging him 😅
You just explained nanotech
I just can NOT describe how happy I was to see Wolverine finally put his mask on 😭
For acting- in Tasm2 Garfield proved that mask on acting can be just as potent. Great example with Mando as well.
Exactly!
I think it's because Andrew Garfield has a background in theatre. Theatre requires a lot of "body acting", for lack of a better term, since you usually can't see the performance faces closely. Even with his mask on, Andrew's Peter is very emotive with the way he acts.
Exactly what I thought
Awh man, I’m glad you said that. The way they captured emoting through his mask was great, because they’d use his body language and clever zooms, tilts and pans on his face to convey an emotion. We knew if he was surprised, angry, focused, etc, without the fancy shutters that Holland got.
The batman, Rob Pattinson has his mask almost the whole movie, he used his eyes and it was enough
No Way Home managed to bring back the novelty to nanotech during the Doc-Ock fight. Doc notes how impressive the technology is, clearly thinking his Peter has upped the ante, and then, going for the kill after stripping some of the nanotech away, the armor moves to protect Peter’s chest. By doing so, though, Peter’s face is revealed and Doc is stunned. Additionally, the nanotech fleeing onto the arms moves the plot forward by being the catalyst to Doc’s capture. That is how you incorporate nanotech into storytelling
Yea and at the end Peter makes his own suit not out of nanotech and no one knows his identity so his issues with that go out the window cause the same movie fixed it lol
Lol no its still crap
@@calypso "Let me just hate on something without backing up my claim. Surely that explains my point."
@@calypsothe ratio is insane 💀
@@ProcyonNite fun fact: people are allowed to have opinions.
edit: the human need to ratio others for their internet points to get a sense of superiority never ceases to disappoint me.
What's often overlooked is how good Andrew Garfield was also in acting as Spider-man in both the ASM movies with the mask on. You could really see that each scene whenever he has the mask on, he tries his best to convey what Spidey is actually feeling about the situation with solely depending on his voice and body language.
Best example that I’ve ever seen. He’s by far the best actor to play Spider-Man. You can’t tell when he’s going through all the emotions even without the use of moving lenses!
@@Aotraz_yeah he’s very good at portraying his emotions with all his body language aswell
That really is the best example but even Tobey's spider could convey a lot of emotion with body language, and when body language wasn't enough they would just make him get so beat up that half his mask would be torn and we could see some of his face. It's so weird how the oldest examples are the best and movies just seem to be getting worse, directors are just super lazy nowadays.
What happens when you actually get a talented actor, a great writer, and a director who puts storytelling and character above the cinematography and merchandise
like when gwen secretly comes with him, andrew still has the mask on but you can just SEE and HEAR the panic and stress in him (especially with the way he circles around and puts his hands on his head)
“It’s a very rare metal Bruce.”
“Rare my ass, some random burglar had like three nano tech helmets.”
No it would be
T’ challa: “it’s a very vare metal stark”
Stark: ”rare my ass some burglar had like three of em on em”
This same argument can be applied to Transformers. Transformers can easily transform instantly or off screen when the plot or film wants to, but in scenes where they are introduced, like the iconic Optimus Prime scenes, the transformations are shown slowly and each gadget inside their bodies are shown with sound design and vfx details. It gives them an element of epicness
No? When they're fighting they're usually robots and when they're not they're cars. They're not changing every 2 minutes.
@@l0sts0ul89 Yes? Starscream does it in basically all of his fights and the entire third act of Transformers 3 is filled with Autobots constantly switching back and forth, particularly when fighting Sentinel.
Watching the Devastator transformation scene in Transformers 2 at IMAX is one of the best visual experience I've ever had. I was like "holy fuck that robot is gonna eat the entire fucking pyramid".
@@l0sts0ul89 even when they are no transforming constantly they are mechanical, and they use the ability to transform in action sequences. In the first transformers there is a scene were Megatron transforms mid run amongst the chaos, Starscream is often half transformed and many scenes start with a Transformer using the momentum from the transformation process to throw an attack. And then Transformers also got their own nanotech with Galvatron and the smart alloy Transformers who could just becomes a cloud of particles. There is a fun comparison, in one of the first 3 movies there is a scene where one of the autobots begins to drift, transforms to lose the sideways momentum by braking with its legs and skeletal compression and then transforms again into the car going in a direction that is aprox 90 degrees from the original. There is the same scene in T4 where one of smart alloy transformers begins to drift, then just becomes a cloud and reforms around the corner. One of those is so much more satysfing. And those movies are made by Micheal Bay, who lets be honest is not a great director, and yet he understood it for a while(then you know, someone said that CGI is expensive)
@@excusemewhatthefuck8091 the balls was a bit stupid tho like seriously? Fricking michael bay and his decisions.
I always loved how Ben 10 used to turn into aliens by the Omnitrix everytime! The transform sequence is still second to none!
Ikr
the cool down mechanic always mad me frustrated as a kid, but now being older, it's made me appreciate ben as someone who didn't always rely on his aliens for everything, and grew up more mature because of his limitations on transformations
and wildmutt and ghostfreak's transformations were the dopest
aliens coming out from Ben's body were so cool. i used to get disgusted by it but it was so awesome when all came together.
Man I miss that show
Absolutely agree. Black Panther's suit in Civil War was dope as hell, and seeing it be turned into a nano pop-in suit with bad cgi made my heart sink.
The nanotech thing was believable in civil war too, I was under the impression that it hardened and bulked after he put it on. When they made the new ones for the standalones, they were constantly skintight like spandex. I just feel like armorers or warriors wouldn't do that, because a bullet hitting essentially a layer of hard material over your skin would hurt like hell. It needs bulk, weight.
@@1597B black Panther can be an exception because the bullets' kinetic energy is used to charge his suit
@@luckyizzac True, his suit does absorb the kinetic energy. But it brings me back to that 'bulk' thing. Recall the civil war scene, he takes off his helmet and you can see the thickness of the suit he's wearing, and how it rides up his neck like metal armor from the past. It looks practical. But the new ones, it's practically a skintight layer and that's it. Hell, even highlights some bodily features if you watch the second BP. It doesn't look or feel protective, it's just bulletproof because vibranium.
@@1597B i mean, if the material can absorb kinetic energy you don't need bulk at all, nor it needs to be like a medieval armor. quite the opposite, the updgrade should be a suit that's as light as possible. no matter the design, the bulk it's useless on a vibranium suit
@@1597B I think that the skintight thing makes him more flexible, and unlike iron man, who uses his suit to enhance his movements, black Panther completely depends on his muscle movement.
Thor doesn’t have nanotech armor. His armor is literally conjured via magic… he summons lightning which applies his armor to him
it also just included anything that makes the suit up moments shorter (as seen in the intro)
I thought they weren't actually magic it was just other dimensional stuff
it worked in ragnarok when he summoned the lightning, but in love and thunder it just looked stupid because it lasted for .1 seconds
I love that the Mandalorian has an actual helmet. And he can freakin' emote the entire show (except for a few moments) with his helmet on. Mando is basically what Master Chief should've been in the Halo tv show.
Man, Master Chief mucked up big time...
Yeah but nanotechnology doesn't exist in Star Wars.
@@multiversalrevanWait for it... 😂
@@clashcon11 I am pretty it does exist actually. Ahsoka got framed for using nano droids to bomb the Jedi temple.
@@multiversalrevan nano droids are just really small droids not they same thing
The "nano-tech-everywhere" issue could be great material for the Apocalypse scenario, where most nanites go rogue and want to devour the world.
Go watch Generator Rex (if you can find it), it's basically exactly that.
That's only possible with self-replicating nanites though, which these aren't.
Sort of like how Ultimate Alliance 2 handled it, they were using nanites to control villains and the nanites began to form their own consciousness and tried to take over the world
Grey goo
TECHNOVORE TIME, BABY!!
It’s also weird to me that they don’t make a gesture when they nanotech the mask off a lot of the time. Like they press a button to initiate the change but the suit somehow knows when they need to remove the helmet (plot of course) and they don’t even need to press a button to do . But we’ve seen countless time that they need to press a button to remove the suit.That always bothered me cause we never see or hear about some mental link with the suits.
“Oh its Ai son”
I hate this lazy excuse
@@H2GKursusOnline “NANO MACHINE SON THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA"
There is an argument for Black Panther and Wakanda. In the Black Panther movie, the necklace holding the nanotechnology is controlled via the Kimoyo Beads. It links to their minds to control the suit.
Also, the heat shaped herb and the power it grants also help us understand more. The vibranium and Shuri as well.
Therefore, I think Black Panther and a SELECT few should have nanotech, but I agree with the main points
Even today you can have tech that can respond without pressing buttons, it is pretty trivial compared to nanotechnology and quantum realms
Like Starlord?
Andrew Garfield acted the shit out of Spider-Man in his movies with his face being covered. The body language and movements convey every single emotion that Spider-Man feels throughout the 2 movies
When Scott opens the helmet in Ant Man 1 to say “hi, I’m Scott” it’s one of the smoothest and crispiest helmet openings I’ve ever heard. It’s sad to see what it’s become☹️
Seriously! So boring!!
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Genuinely surprised that you didn't mention the Hulkbuster fight in Age of Ultron while mentioning Iron Man's dilemma of needing to interchange parts. Tony had to pilot an unmanned drone nearby that would send him new parts to replace the ones the hulk would destroy. It kept pace for awhile until the Hulk broke the drone, which forced Tony to level a building on top of them in order to knock him out. It was basically an analogue version of Tony's fight with Thanos in Infinity War.
That fight was probably my favorite fight in the MCU
Andrew Garfield portrayed emotions so good with his mask on in tasm series. No mechanical lenses, no nothing. Only body language and change in voice
Mechanical lenses are a REALLY nice part of the MCU Spider-Man though. Using the eyes as emotion indicators like his comic and cartoon versions makes perfect sense.
Best example of this is the bridge scene in tasm 1. You can see emotions rush through him whe the dad thanks him and he says I'm Spider-Man for the first time.
@@IliadicYeah I agree. But I kinda dont like the MCU suites. The design is good, top notch. But the texture......plane, no texture to begin with, non reflective. Kinda reminds me of rugs tbh
@@Shome2049 Yeah I agree. I also loved that interaction between Gwen and Pete just before the Electro fight
Knifes are my weakness😢😢😢
*shoots web*
Ha! That was so easy🙂
There's a reason why there are entire compilations of suit up scenes from movies on UA-cam. People love it.
The evolution of super suíts is cool
I think the best examples of "you can still act with masks on" (in Marvel) are Charlie Cox as Daredevil and Andrew Garfield as Spidey. Even with half their face or all their face covered, we still knew what the characters were feeling - whether they were happy, sad, frustrated, angry etc.
Charlie and Andrew portrayed the characters' emotions and intentions through their body language, their tone of voice, and the way they moved their heads.
They're both incredible actors and became their characters - I actually don't think this gets talked about enough, especially Charlie as Matt Murdock.
Garfield‘s Spider-Man is a perfect example indeed. The biggest thing I remember from the trailer and first movie are the scenes where he’s fully suited and joking around with some bad guy and that scene is just phenomenal to me as not only did it make a live action Spider-Man feel so lively and human for once but also it was the first live action portrayal of Spider-Man that was close to his comedic personality in the comics.
I always felt that Tobey made the better Peter Parker and Andrew made the better Spider-Man while Tom is a good mix of both.
@NationX personally I thought Garfield was the best Spiderman AND Peter Parker, and is still my favourite Spiderman. But that's just my opinion ...and a whole other conversation lol
@@sema5087 fair enough lol
Cox is one of the best actors working today.
Ryan Reynolds’ Deadpool is also excellent, even though those movies are comedies. This guy makes a great point.
My favorite example of covering an actors face while retaining emotion/drama is darth Vader’s reaction while Luke is being shocked by the emperor. They never show Vader’s face before this but you can still see how broken and sad he feels when talking to Luke about how it’s too late for him.
Because when practical effects and blue screen were all you had, actors had to, well, ACT. And strangely enough the Original Trilogy is pretty slow compared to modern movies.
The original trilogy has a bunch of those with Vader. How about his reaction when the Millennium Falcon jumps into hyperspace in Empire?
It was greet
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER
i personally love that moment in Civil War where Chadwick actually has to physically remove his helmet in order to talk to Zemo. It gave the Black Panther suit so much more tangibility compared to what it is now.
when they felt like real films, crazy how even asking for that is somehow impossible
in the beginning of black panther when they took his helmet away, i was so annoyed, i loved his helmet
The first BP suit was perfection.
actually pretty much the only thing i disagree with in this video. I really think nanotech works SO well specifically for black panther, idk why, but im glad he got it early.
you personally love that moment, but i remmeber as a kid, i liked it more when black panther put on the cool nano tehcnology suit on the way to kick killmonger's ass. im justsaying, let the kids have what thjey want
7:00 I hate that the pencil thing actually worked lmao, I didnt react like them in that scene but I definitely felt something when he broke it xD
You forgot to mention Hugo Weaving's performance in V for Vendetta. His Shakespearean act in that film was superb, the amount of emotion he conveyed with just his voice and body language was phenomenal, I've never seen anything like that.
And a lot of that movie isn't him under the mask either, it's either a Stuntman or the original actor for V (James Purefoy) that was recast
@@Whiteythereaper Yeah, but I'm referring to the simple scenes in the movie: when V introduce himself to Evey (which is priceless), the two watching a movie together, when he confronts his foes, his famous speech on the news channel... the non action part of the movie, that's when the actor's performance really shines.
I love that movie too.
Tranformers 4 has nano before Guardians.
Thank God someone brought this to the table! V for Vendetta is an all time favourite of mine. And yes, bring back real helmets and masks.
tom holland said that whenever he acts as spiderman with the mask on, he acts way more exaggerated where if he wasn't wearing the spiderman suit, he'd look like a crazy person but since we cant see his face it makes sense and we never really notice that he emotes so much with his hands and body
This is also pretty common in Sentai/PowerRangers. Characters will always have much more exaggerated movements when suited up, using their whole body to act.
Same concept with stage acting. The reason why stage actors seem so exaggerated is because the audience is so far away that they HAVE to be
spider man also gets the bonus of sometimes having Eyes that can change shapes for emotion in editing. So... spiderman is just a win
One of my favorite moments in the MCU was in Civil War, when T'Challa slowly put down his helmet while confronting Zemo. It was a small but impactful moment (for me) because it added humility to an otherwise powerful hero.
indeed. It really conveys that T'Challa was putting his guard down, and approaching Zemo as a fellow human, rather than a hunting hunter. To me taking off a mask/helmet in itself is acting.
@@zahrulexe Exactly. It was an act of vulnerability and humility, which was an enormous contrast to the way he was presented previously: as a vengeful, dangerous, and almost otherworldly presence.
That moment would not have had the same impact if the helmet was part of nanotech
Yeah, he put down his helmet is more like symbolic, no harm approach kind of...
Deadpool does so well with letting Ryan renoylds act with the mask on and they only take deadpools mask off when needed
I think it works for Tony because throughout the films we see him improve and counter the flaws of his suits, but with nearly every character having nanotech makes Tony less impressive.
yup agreed, and i'd argue the iron spider BECAUSE Tony made it around the same time that he probably made that IW iron man suit and was like eh fuck it i'll give it to him too. BUT it would be cool af if they ever made a classic comic accurate iron spider suit, for him to actually have to disassemble the pieces lol cuz this nanotech shit is just marvel being lazy buying costumes etc . like ffs in no way home tobey didnt even have a mask it was all cgi XD. its not hard to sew a mask
But he invented nanno technology? Wouldn't it make sense that other people would use it too? I mean if someone invented something so advanced and effetient for battle why wouldn't they use it too?
@@glocktop916 that would apply only if Tony invented nanotech and made it publicly available to the point where people like cops or firefighters or soldiers would use nanotech. Like if it was normal for nanotech to be worn by people in dangerous or combat situations. That’s not the case however. Nanotech is now only worn by superheroes that have no business possessing nanotech in their suits.
Tony also has those crazy technological floating touch screens that no one else has. And that says something about him as a character. Not every superhero has that technology and that’s fine because they don’t all face the same challenges
@@glocktop916 Did you... actually watch Iron Man 1 or Iron Man 2 or Captain America: The Winter Soldier or Captain America: Civil War?
Tony refused to weaponize and profit off of his Arc Reactor, understanding what it's capable of, Stane stole his and turned into the Iron Monger.
Tony refused to hand his shit over to the Government, fearing they'd do what Stane did, on a massive geopolitical scale. Vanko created his own off of blueprints and became Whiplash, and gave Hammer the means to create his drone army.
Hydra (as SHIELD) was working on those mass surveillance helicarriers, under the guise of "Freedom". Cap was quick to point out that this kind of power is not only overkill, but also not upholding freedom, but forcing people to fear. Taking away their free will.
Civil War was literally the culmination of these three conflicts, wherein Tony sees the Avengers as too volatile to be out on their own, needing regulation and to be reined in, while Cap sees the Avengers as the best case judge for protecting the world.
The entire crux of these films is the idea that with great power comes great responsibility.
It's why people have such a gripe with Tony handing Peter those EDITH glasses-- Peter's just a kid and shouldn't have access to this kind of tech.
All that to say, if Tony cracked Nanotech, it specifically makes sense that ONLY he and a select few other characters can utilize it, all of whom are either around his level of intellect, or simply have access to advanced technology surpassing even Tony's. Kang and Shuri being notable ones.
Because if just ANYONE can access it, we hit the problem with Vulture's crew in Homecoming, where eventually these regular goons can have access to destructive alien tech.
Not only does this provide a narrative pustule throbbing in the side of the MCU's more street-based heroes' stories, but it also removes any semblance of visual and narrative uniqueness that Tony, Kang, and Shuri, have with their nanotech.
Like making everyone into sarcastics like ony, its not special
Contrasting Tom Holland’s suit at the end of No Way Home against Tobey and Andrew’s suits is so striking. You can see the ripples in the fabric, the stretching, the way the collar sits around their necks. Compared to Tom’s which looks so touched up (especially compared to the previous solo movies).
That was my biggest issue with MCU Spidey, he was just handed some fancy AI guided nano-suit, instead of being a guy who's so broke that he has to fix his own suit after major fight with super-villain because it got torn up.
Alto to be fair, some of the things he got as Iron Man Jr. were used for comedic purposes as he usually struggles with them, such as when he accidentally activates drone strike on one of his school mates (think it was Flash?).
@@J.J.Jameson_of_Daily_Bugle he sent the drone strike on brad actually! But flash was a fair assumption😂
We can hope Holland's new suit is more realistic and less touched up in the coming movies as he no longer has access to Stark's fabrication machines and has to make it himself.
He looks fake at the end of no way home because that’s not even tom, it’s a 3d model 😂 but the overuse of cgi is a whole other problem
Luckily that’s finished and he’s using a actual Spider-Man suit
Another video mentions this but this is why I adore THE BATMAN; it was just a suit, and Bruce was under the mask for 90% of the movie. He legit has to get physically changed in and out of it like a regular superhero would.
The Batman had so little GCI in that movie and looked great with little CGI, while most of the MCU that year had CGI feast and boy it showed...It doesn't look good!!!
I agree with you that the suit for the batman was indeed good. However I wish I could the same for the movie and the script, truly disappointing.
@@The_Hidden_Batcave That was not the Riddler in that movie.
@@The_Hidden_Batcave ??
Just realized this problem when the new Captain America trailer came out earlier today
Iron Man 3 is peak suit IMO. I love its emphasis on making armour hopping believable, like when Tony is injecting these trackers into parts of his body (and wiping away blood) just so the pieces actually know what to form around. It lets you excuse when the bits are flying towards him. And also makes sense when Rhodes didn’t get one.
I wish to see more of the swarm suits.
When it comes to "acting in a mask" I always take 'V for Vendetta' as a reference. Hugo Weaving did an amazing job and shows how talented he is.
Don't forget Dredd, where Karl Urban kept the helmet on throughout the entire film and played the character just right.
@@rojaedavis8367 Better than SS. i Am Du lAaAaAw!
Y'all are forgetting the goat, Star Kid
Irony is, you only put on a mask when you're done emoting and only want your words to matter.
And don't forget Peter Weller as Robocop. The helmet only comes off near the end of the movie.
Funny thing is Pedro pascal wasn’t even in the physical suit for Mando in season 3
Oh that’s just SAD.
I know how silly this sounds, but my favorite "nanomachine" suit in a movie is Venom from Spider-Man 3. The initial transformation is incredibly shot and animated, and the way it has to creep and crawl its way up Eddie's head everytime he summons the mask on is a great touch. It also helps that when the mask is off, the suit is completely practical.
Sadly... the overall doesn't really looks like Bulky Venom.
@@clashcon11 Fr it has to be the shittiest rendition of Venom I've ever seen in media 💀
But he literally had the same issue as these movies?
Old venom looks more realistic then new venom,new venom looks like water,while old venom looks more gooie and sticky
@@izzanirfan2534 The Symbiote is more liquid in the comics
One of my favourite examples of an actor acting with their mask or helmet, is in the amazing Spider-Man two when you can see that Peter is both angry and stressed that Gwen is there during the electro fight at the end of the movie
Yes, exactly. Plus, V is another fantastic example. You never see his face once during the movie, but it doesn’t matter.
Right? Cause the absence of physical emotion allows other parts of filmmaking to shine. But since Marvel is indecisive to the bone, they're not gonna plan around that.
Can't imagine them making a moment when the score genuinely matters, when the scores are probably finalized in a weekend when they can spare a whip from the vfx sweatshop.
@@7eddiii Not the case, they were actually planning to shoot the third, the issue was between Garfield and one of the executives. Plus, say what you will about the films, Garfield’s acting is great in them.
@@alexman378 no they werent lmao. The movie bmbed soo badly they scrapped the 3rd for Tom holland and the intro into civil war
@@thesnipingspider3852 Source: Trust me bro
Thanks for the whole "you can act with mask too" part, The Mandalorian is a good example, and I also want to add the whole tokusatsu genre; Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, etc.
Darth vader
Glovin Slayer?
@@djmarsone5209 you mean goblin slayer?
Don't forget Power Rangers. But the new movie HAD to still show their face during fights lol
@@MollyHJohns well I already said Super Sentai
bro watched a lot of power rangers in his childhood, looking for suit-up video every time before a fight
This was my biggest gripe with Quantumania. I basically checked out of Marvel after Endgame, and came back to find every single character turning their helmets on and off every other minute in the middle of combat. It was almost as immersion breaking for me as MODOK.
The worst part about the nano-tech helmets is that they kindly groom the user's hair when they dissolve away. No helmet hair on these people. In fact, their hair looks just as flawless through the visors. lol
A very good point...I imagine that's why Tony would never grow his hair out
I guess Kimberly *didn’t* have to worry about it after all
In the comics, spidey literally has a mask on in almost every panel. And somehow when I read his comics, the emotion and feeling I can interpret is as if not better than the mcu’s no mask scenes
MCU literally gave Spidey movable eyes yet they still resort to removing the mask to convey emotions. Like bruh.
The whole point of the classic Spidey mask is that it's one of the most expressive closed-mask designs in comic book history, and MCU just decides - welp, let's not utilise that
Well it's a completely different medium, that doesn't count. (In regards to conveyance of emotion.)
The actor to best portray that expressiveness of spider-man in live action is Andrew Garfield. Have you seen him in the suit? He's so damn expressive he doesn't even need to take off the mask.
@@benl.4577 agreed
In Avengers. Loki's battle suit doesn't appear, he's always wearing it. The dress suit is actually an illusion to let him blend in with everyone. Similar to how he makes Mjolnir look like an umbrella in Ragnarok. It still smashes everything in its path in the sanctum but it looks like a flimsy everyday object.
Isn’t Loki blue?
@@connerjensen4948 I'm pretty sure Odin did something to make him appear Asgardian. I guess Loki could probably make himself appear as he should but chooses not to
Let’s just hope Spider-Man keeps his new suit with a real mask and he keeps his identity a secret
Considering its still the MCU in control of the movies I highly highly doubt it won't be another cartoon suit for another decade
For once i wanna see a practical spidey suit in a movie
@@Coolgamer54321 I would argue that they’ve learned to be more careful with how they treat spidey in the movies now, seeing how they went the more traditional comic route with him. It’s the other characters that aren’t gonna be done Justice.
@@sadchild9478 In NWH sure I get that, but his presentation was still lackluster I hope they do what’s always worked with Spider-Man films
Just a nice continuity detail. I think how Dr.Strange's spell works is that the suit will "forget" peter and won't let him use it.
For Tony it actually made sense with his nanotech because we as the audience have seen his trial and error and growth to make the ironman suits and after around 15-20 years of making them it would've made sense in Tony Stark's character to have nanotech. although for other characters besides maybe Black Panther its just used as a Vanity thing. Not counting Spider-man's iron spider suit because that was made by Tony aswell. It was believable before.
I don't think it makes sense for him to use nanotechnology. In a realistic perspective, nano tech would be ridiculously weak and flimsy for armor purposes because it isn't made of chemical bonds, and so why would the tech genius make a suit that's an absolute downgrade from his previous ones?
@@oatmealman1586 I mean it is a movie sometimes it's better to just turn off your brain and enjoy instead of overanalyzing everything also in marvel nanomachines are like alien tech or super advanced even Starlords Helmet in movie and comics used nanotech
Yeah, it makes sense for Tony to have it, but it becomes contrived when almost every character has it now. It's like how Dragon Ball made everyone fly, when it initially only used to be a thing of the Crane School, or if you're a Namekian. Ki attacks are also something that every character has, not like, the generic Ki blasts that are equivalent to a punch in attack, but named, special attacks. It made sense for the Crane School, because they were rivals with Roshi's Turtle School, but then, everyone had a named BFB attack in the Saiyan saga onwards.
@@oatmealman1586 Why do you talk about real life stuff when this it's a movie? It's not even about turn off your brain, it's just a way to show character development with all the armors that he had used in all those years, and if in this fictional universe the nano tech it's the ultimate form of armor tech, then it's right and there's no more to discuss.
The point it's not abot if it's realistic or not, but how it fits in the films: is it a good design? It means something for the story? What imples to the character? Is it necessary? Maybe for Tony but no one else
@@oatmealman1586 Tony had already sacrificed some durability in exchange of a suit that can fly to his location rather than being carried around a suitcase, the fact it would dissassembled itself was even used for a joke on the final battle.
With the nanotech suit, he exchanged durability for modularity, on the battle against Thanos in Infinity War, he kept switching back and a fourth between weapons, going as far as having an actual shield.
With the regular suit he had no real answer to an attacker that was going to use close quarters combat, thats how he lost to Captain America, in his case it makes a lot of sense to have an armor that can switch between long and close range attacks on the fly, even if it comes at the cost of some durability.
It’d be cool if the characters even acknowledged the nanotech moving across their faces? Like a small flinch at the sudden feeling of moment, adjusting their breathing to the outside air, maybe closing their eyes to let the nanotech elegantly reveal their expression, SOMETHING. It’s so lazily cgi’d over an actor right now.
I know im super late but one of the best friends examples for acting with a "helmet" on is V for Vendetta IMO
I feel like people so often forget that acting with masks is, like, one of the oldest forms in the world. Ancient Greek theatre had emotive masks and exaggerated body language for the benefit of those in the audience who were sat further away from the stage, and some masks were even designed to funnel the voices of the performers outward and project them further. Performance art among indigenous populations in South America similarly had masks, as does kabuki theatre in Japan. (I just spent 4 years and 60k on a theatre degree, I gotta use it somehow).
It's entirely possible for a good performer to emote perfectly well when wearing a well-designed mask - we don't need nanotech helmets unveiling their faces every five minutes just so we can see Paul Rudd's ageless face.
"I just spent 4 years and 60k on a theatre degree, I gotta use it somehow" relatable 😂
meanwhile tokusatsu suit actors managed to convey more emotions in their suit than most actors without a mask lol
@@troopers0312 now I wouldn't put them down that bad. Those suit actors have acted before the maskless actors were even an itch in their daddy's ball sacks.
No seriously, dude. Suit actors are just built different.
Am I the only one who want Practical Helmets like the ones seen in The Mandalorian? Seriously real practical Helmets to me make it more immersive then CGI Helmets.
no you're not the only one, not a single person likes the CGI helmets unless they're autistic
Kit Harrigton better have a real helmet as Black Knight
@@aaronlogue6281 It would be a real helmet, until Disney replaced it with CGI one. That's how they do it all these time. Or no helmet at all while filming.
@@RahmatTantular yep and honestly its sad because they would have more time to work shit that actually needs cgi like she hulk or modok. If marvel didnt make every suit cgi they would not be having all these vfx issues rn. Cgi is a tool not a crutch
@@RahmatTantular imagine if robert pattinson had his fantastic suit replaced with vfxs in the batman. If marvel didnt rely so heavily on cgi and just used it for things that absolutly needed it like thanos they wouldntt need to give antman 3's money to black panther 2 and basically pick favorites on witch movie looks better. The cgi in black panther 1 was sub par cause they put infinity war as priority. If they didnt overuse it then they wouldnt need to do that just let black panter have his suit be real and you would not need to skim on the cgi budget for the rhinos witch armored rhinos makes sense to be cgi not a suit just saying
Friendly reminder that in the [Mandalorian], there are like 3 actors that wear the suit throughout the show, for gunslinging, close quarters combat, etc, and Pedro voices most of the time (When he's not seen underneath)
This. The Mandalorian is one of my favorite shows but people just haven't heard that like 75% of the time it isn't Pedro Pascal we're seeing.
...and the dude in the video talks about him acting with movement💀he's a goat fr but most of the time it's simply voice acting, which contradicts the whole thing as we're seeing unknown stuntman doing the acting part visually.
@@DarkLordoftheSith13 how does that contradict it? It still shows that we don’t need see the actors face and the MCU already uses stunt men when not using CGI.
@@DarkLordoftheSith13 Then the credit just goes to the Stuntman doing the actions, which is still hard to do when now the voice isn't even yours yet you need to match your body movement to the tone and intensity
We can see at the end of No Way Home that Peter sews his own fabric suit, this gives me hope for the future
I kinda miss the feeling you get in the iron man movies where the suits feel like real tech that has to go through maintenance and can be picked up and moved around.
Absolutely. Everything feels so much more grounded in reality.
And the clang of the final helmet piece dropping down over his face
@@slothrocket8540 icing on the cake
Regarding the indecisiveness of the helmets until last minute, that is a systemic issue that is effecting ever facet of the entertainment industry. I worked in 2D animation in Los Angeles. We would be in postproduction, and the producers would still be asking for script rewrites one month before the show is supposed to air. That’s insane because voice actors would have to redo their lines and that changes everything down the pipeline. The advent of digital production has really changed the way shows are made. It’s much faster now. I worked on a show that produced an entire season in 9 months from pre to post. That’s insane. Producers have gotten really nit picky, and as a result, everyone down the line is just ‘doing their job’ cause no one knows the plan. Nobody wants to put their heart into something and have it cut out two weeks later. It’s kind of soul crushing if your in it for more than money.
Feel for u bro.i also do 2d but home level.and I looove changing shit .it's more of a compulsion for me but I just want a long lasting thing.any ways I hope y'all don't lose heart in the game cuz it's literally the only type of animation I love and I'd hate for it to die
I generally agree - do want to point out that Dr. Strange had a minor magical girl transformation sequence in Dr. Strange 2 when he jumps out the window and turns into a wizard.
He is also literally magical though, so magically appearing suit makes sense.
that sequence was good
I hate that movie, but it was good
I love that his pocket square is his cape. When he tugs it out of his pocket, he wraps it around his shoulders.
Magic is different. If a character can do literal magic, I see nothing at all wrong with their stuff coming out of nowhere. Thats the point of magic - it defies logic and rationality.
Deadpool and wolverines scene when they’re arguing in the car just proves you don’t need to take the mask off to act, Ryan Renolds KILLED that scene
The real problem with the MCU now, is that earthling technology is too advanced on us, so we don't even know what is technically possible for them. We also don't understand why they struggle with diseases such as cancer in Thor Love and Thunder...
my favourite example is the young justice series, they built an insanely large universe with the majority of DC characters in it but yet you never feel like the technology is stepping on the less advanced characters,like you dont have someone like blue beetle going in and out of his suit and it makes you sit there and think "why doesnt nightwing do that" because they set it all up properly, the tech is more advanced than us but its not so insanely advanced where something like the beetle suit is a common occurence, they make these heroes with special technology one offs, they have the only version of a few for their certain tech
I mean real life has some pretty advanced tech and scientific knowledge, yet disease and hunger are still a problem. Not that much a shocker the MCU has similar issues in that universe.
I actually have problem with them taking off their helmets in general. I guess its in their contract to show their faces so actors get paid or sth, but its so annoying how so many characters keep taking off their masks and helmets during a heated combat situations.
Amen, it's a real pain, and I find it takes me out of the movie, especially when knowing the reasons behind it are often less for storytelling purposes and more about cinematic business politics.
I noticed this during the latest Ant man. I leaned over to my friend and said “dude why do they have helmets if they’re going to always take them off.” It just seems pointless to have them
Yeah the fact that this is not a problem in the comics and animation means this is a strictly a Hollywood thing.
@@One.Zero.One101 No shit lol
Like, as pointed out, often you don't need to take the helmet off to get a face shot
At 3:42 you showed a clip of Moon Knight. The suiting up makes sense for that character. It's literal magic. A big part of magic is stuff *appearing out of nowhere*
That is true and the general idea of it should stay similar, but the issue mainly is that it just isn't very inventive.
It can appear out of nowhere sure... But how SHOULD it appear? Furthermore, how should it disappear?
Moon Knight and his suit feels like the bare minimum.
I don't just want to see the elements of the suit appear and form around the character seamlessly all at once. I want to see those bandages unfurl from the clothes he was previously wearing. Writhing around the character's form and tightening in a clear viscerally imaginative manner.
The problem with Moon Knight and many a characters suit up sequences is that they don't take advantage of either the physical or magical aspects that end up leaving an impact on us as an audience.
It was a real suit in the comics. Also he is a street-level hero(which Disney has no idea how to handle).
the idea is since it happens everywhere it's not special, you know, like magic should be
When everything is magic, nothing is magic.
I think he's just commenting on the idea of fast appearing suits being repetitive, not necessarily the means in which they appear
A masked hero taking off their mask to reveal themselves is such a cool and dramatic image and I'd rather see the hero actually do it than it just disappearing like it was never real.
I think Iron Man 3 had the best example of using a suit to the plots advantage. He had a whole scene where he slowly gained every piece of his suit. He had to get creative with every piece of his armor
"Acting doesn't only require the face." Good point.
Edward Norton wore a mask when he played the role of King Baldwin IV aka The Leper King in the movie Kingdom of Heaven and still delivered an astounding performance.
Hugo Weaving in 'V for Vendetta' is another great example
Also Dicaprio in Man in Iron Mask
@@lordhellstrande2763 That's one of the best superhero movie I have ever watch. Too bad people these days don't even remember this.
One issue I have that comes up pretty often is people taking off their helmets in active battles for them to say like two lines and put it on again (or rather nanomagic it on). This KILLS the suspense of disbelieve. And since the common use of nanotech I feel like this happens even more often
i feel like nano tech works for iron man bc there’s the progression of his armor until he makes nano tech
2:57 This really reminded me of Japan's superhero culture with their Tokusatsu media, where the superhero franchises there like Kamen Rider would have dedicated transformation sequences and poses that would make crossover events feel all the more special for the fans to be able to see these 'group henshin' transformation sequences occurring simultaneously between with different heroes.
Agreed
Or the Precure franchise, which Kamen Rider has a lot in common with.
@@notationmusical Tokusatsu, when you get down to it, is sort of a magical girls series but made for boys (at least originally, I think it has a lot of general appeal now).
As for Precure, it's what happens if Sailor Moon and DBZ had a baby, and I'm 100% there for it.
It’s astounding how the people that worked on Mandalorian about leaving Mando remained masked somehow completely forgot this rule in Book of Boba Fett
Someone thought Morrison could act....
I kinda think it shows that Din is devout to hiding his face and generally upholding the creed, even after excommunication, where as Boba sees the same beliefs as just having a few nice ideas.
He definitely didn’t feel like Boba from the OT, and that’s a valid criticism, but it was to take a legacy character in a new direction.
All in all, it wasn’t great, but in all honesty, I did enjoy it.
Even if they had wanted to remove Mando's helmet more, they couldn't, because it's one of the central plot points of the story that he shouldn't remove his helmet, but that doesn't apply to Boba Fett as he is not a member of the children of the watch (nor a mandalorian to begin with)
While it is dumb, Boba isn't mando, he isn't part of that group that requires helmets, they wanted boba to have his helmet off often, sounds like you are forgetting who boba is
@@Apac12 The only reason people like Boba in the originals is because of his armor. Having him not wear the whole set is stupid.
Honestly, my biggest pet peeve about ant man’s nanotech suit is that I don’t really get how pym particles, which are either stored as a liquid (usually) or a gas (the comics iirc), could be condensed into nanites…
"Condensed into nanites" ... Do you know what nanites are? They're tiny robots. A Pym Particle is an even tinier particle. It can fit inside a nanite if it needs to. Also, the whole suit shrinks to the size of an Ant, including any remaining Pym Particles, and you're wondering how they fit? lmfao.
The best application of Pym Particles is nanotech...
Ant-Man's tech isn't nanotech
Crazy how so many people have liked this comment. You literally see tanks being shrunk to key chains and building being shrunk to suit cases and your pet peeve is about how you couldn't shrink a regular sized robot into a smaller one?
@@angryfishy8183 That's not it, he just can't grasp how the particles can be applied to nanotech.
Deadpool and Wolverine with their classic mask and cowl!
I was actually thinking about this exact thing, and thinking specifically of T'Challa taking his helmet off to confront Zemo at the end of Civil War. That was a powerful moment.
Exactly!
I think Marvel has forgotten that helmets exist.
They also forgot how to make good movies 😹
I remember when a big part of a superhero movies was the main character having to create his suit… now it’s all given to them - - and don’t say “No Way Home” cos he spent 6 movies with suits being handed to him without needing to make his own.
@@firstlast9846 Yeah, the epic moment where the guy shows up with a suit because they have earned it, and they have an excellent scene.
Like, I enjoyed Quantumania, but they could have made Cassie's first suit up seem epic, or even earned. Maybe even having a reference to when she said "I could be your super partner"
@@NoNonsenseSpider chill this isn’t Dc yeah is it endgame type of movies left in right no but it ain’t shit 🤣
@@NoNonsenseSpider lol
Superheroes now are kinda covered in CGI,miss the practical effects
Glad to see another fellow Practical Effects Enjoyer.
When it was used in Black Panther 2 it was so bad.
@@FTChomp9980 THAT'S WHY FILMS LIKE G I JOE RETALIATION AGED SO WELL
The entirety of Tokusatsu welcomes you
@@Bastiondar Shuri as the black panther looked goofy all throughout
They also foreshadowing the full potential of the nanotech for medical purposes like curing cancers.
Did anyone notice in NWH that all 3 of the Spider Men's masks just appear out of nowhere whenever they wanted to cover their faces even though their was no masks in their hand. I was really shocked when I saw the Bts that even the mask is CGI. Marvel just won't stop overusing Cgi.
Dude of course those masks are CGI. They all have faceshells under there how would they do that practically lol
@@Ultinuc No I mean they were fully CGI in the final fight. It was really good but I noticed that when they wear their masks they masks comes out of nowhere.
@@hamdhanfiyaz4918 Supposedly they had them hanging around their 'belt' or came from a hidden pocket.. but anyways, movie logic..
@@migovas1483 indeed at least looking forward spiderman wont have no nano tech suit he will have the good old fashion normal one with probably the same mask for the eye changing
No
The challenge of secretly changing physical costumes has always been an interesting part of superheros
It never was in the MCU. Nobody except Spider-Man has a secret identity.
Daredevil and Ms. Marvel have secret identities (no, the fact that her family and friends know doesn't count, they're not the public).
Wonder women really been out here twirling in a circle and having her costume appear.
I'm glad you mentioned DC's usage of nanotech as well as Marvel.
I really liked how they used nanotech with Bloodsport's weapons, while still giving him a more traditional helmet. It was demonstrated well throughout the film, so that when he runs out of weapons it didn't feel ridiculous.
Hawkman in Black Adam though, to me he seemed like an MCU character, his helmet and weapons looked more obviously CG. And because he was introduced in that film as part of a group that weren't even the main focus, I didn't have a clue if he was supposed to have powers or just technology. And since I haven't read any comics with him, I found it less interesting since he just appeared as another generic nanotech weilding superhero.
I mean bloodsport is more like him taking bits off of his very real suit, those bits can combine to form different guns n shit. Feels a lot different than marvel's use if nanotech imo
Well... in the comic Hawkman use the Armor of Nth Metal.
These metals are only use by (Thanagarian aka Hawkman/girl)
The Metal is a combination of Magic + ancient tech came from one of the old god .
The Nth Metal could observe any energy such as magic or kinetic blast and so on .
Is like Thor's Hammer and Aquaman's Trident but it is not just a single weapon
Bloodsport's helmet was still made of nanotech somewhat, it still spawns out of a singular piece like his weapons. Difference here is he actually embraced the helmet and kept it on for so long. He literally had it on while wearing nothing but undies. Try topping that MCU...
Black Adam was a shitshow and pure MCU copycat because that's how Dwayne Johnson wants it, that ego-maniac piece of cardboard. DC was never a stable franchise, but I believe Black Adam could've been a better piece of entertainment. Heck, Shazam was directed by a short-movie director with such a minimalistic budget yet could steal the show.
@@yourbot9788 And it can also beat the living hell out of ghosts.
Imagine Dr Doom mask being nanotech 💀
The ending of No Way Home implied a gradual return to non-nanotech suits, and it fit. Tony isn't around to build suits for Peter anymore and wouldn't know him even if he was. Peter is on his own so he had to sew his own suit with material he bought from a craft store. The integrated suit he gets half way through the movie when Doc Oc gives him what remains of the nanotech suit implies this as well. A gradual stepping stone to what we would later see at the end of the film. It does make sense for more tech-driven heros like Ant-Man, or so-good-it's-like-magic heros with Thor, or even Dr. Strange where it just is magic, to have something that acts like or outright is nanotech, but I think that's the aspect the MCU is now fighting with. Heros and villains are being made as opposed to the old goofy and cliche accidents that used to create them which were silly but at least meant that they didn't need a suit to be "someone". It's funny that agian that's something Spider-Man addresses. "If you're nothing without the suit you don't deserve to have it" and unfortunately, many of these current characters are just average people without the suit. Even the villains poke fun at this with the conversation between Sandman and Electro; "gotta be careful where you fall". By being grounded and realistic, the MCU has lost the ability to explain why hero's exist without the help of their tech, and if you have nanotech in existence, why wouldn't you use it?
Ok good for Spider-Man but what about the rest of the MCU?
@@tjz3158 along with Venom, he's a symbiote he is the suit for Eddie Brock he can morph around himself and Eddie for the suit, and as for the rest of the MCU, I think the MCU is pretty much porked in terms of costumes everything is nanotech unless you feel like bullying and harassing Disney and Marvel execs to stop this
" if you are nothing without a suit you don't deserve to have it"
MCU has let Ironman down by making characters that are nothing/average without a suit
@@tjz3158 good question lemme just call up Feige real quick and I'll get back to you.
@@norouziman8748 Excellent point. Spider-Man may lead the charge to new types of suits if a symbiote film or even trilogy is in the works. It's still a suit driven power but at least it moves away from nanotech. Just as Thor and Guardians opened up the MCU to the cosmic stuff and then made it much more believable for a lot of that stuff to exist in a grounded world we were introduced to in Iron Man (commented on by Iron Man in his farewell speech when he talks about how much his understanding of the universe has grown and how big and full it is). Spider-Man may be the leader both of the Avengers and of the MCU in a meta-sense as his films introduce whatever comes next to work as an excuse as to why people are "super".
Dont you love it when heroes and villains use their helmets/masks for 5% of the movie, always taking them off every 2 seconds even when they are in dangerous situations where it would make sense to have their heads/faces covered
I think that occurs for two reasons:
- You need to showcase the actor's expressions, and it can be difficult if they're wearing a helmet
- When you have a big star, you want to capitalise on that
@@NIDELLANEUM exactly the reason why goblin had no mask in nwh
@@ClubberOntop that might also have been a take that to how superhero movies in the 2000s tried to make everything look like "realistic" military gear, so they gave Goblin a helmet. As such, NWH just said "hey, now we're Comic Accurate"
This kind of thing makes me appreciate more that Batman still has to actively play against that in those films.
i hate that shit so much its not only the heroes but the villains too
the original incredibles literally lectured us for thinking suit designs didn't matter
NO CAPES!
no 🧢es
In the case of Mighty Thor, it is not nano tech but magic
yeah but it looks stupid that the god of thunder can magically materialize a metal helmet. with lokis case it makes sense because he learned magic from frigga and his powers include like disguises and stuff
I didn’t really have an issue with some of the mask issues until Ant-Man when it felt like it was more Scott Lang than Ant-Man, like I literally was like “wait what does the mask look like again?” Because It genuinely wasn’t shown that much
yeah that's what it feels like.
Thats why I really liked the end of No Way Home, where Peter is seen with a sowing machine meaning hes back to the og homemade suit
i loved Ant-Man's suit in the first movie, ESPECIALLY the helmet, it genuinely looks so cool
I think Bloodsport's nanotechnology looked cool because we actually see him put it together in unique configurations and he also runs out of weapons once he's used them up.
Dude that's exactly what Iron Man does... he uses his nanotech to make cool weapons. The rest of them just use it to look cool...
@For the love of it! Yeah but as the video points out, his nanonech seems virtually limitless
Well then ull got around 2/3 hours movie just because of ur lousy "suit up" scene
@@LORDUnLuCkY13 yeah, because he got punched in the face 3-4 times, and stabbed. That was sarcasm, just in case you didn't get the humor.
Bloodsport
People when clothes and appear on and off in Thor like this hasn’t been happening since phase 1 it’s literally magic
I wish there were downsides to using the nanotech suits, so they were only used for specific situations. Tony used to have many different iron man suits for different situations and it was cool to see that. Would be cool if Spider-Man used his normal suit most of the time and only used the nano suit for specific things
Yeah Iron Man just kinda has 1 or 2 suits per movie and it's not interesting
Come on don't tell me your only contingency was "the hulk"
There's so much opportunity to sell toys here come on!
The original Iron Legion literally was Tony’s contingency plan thanks to his paranoia after the first Avengers movie
And his only other suit was made to combat the hulk
I don’t know why it never occurred to Tony that the possibility of other characters turning against the team would be there, considering they once had to deal with a mind controlled Hawkeye, once had to fight Thor, and had constant conflict with Steve
I mean I don’t want it to be a Batman thing where he has plans for every member, but if even comic stark went as far as the Thorbuster, it doesn’t seem far off
Having the nanotech disintegrate when exposed to an EMP
@@ryon5174Batman has the hell-bat suit which is the most powerful suit used to fight darkseid. It has negative effects when used for a long period of time so he uses it only when extremely necessary
its crazy cause they literally did show the downsides of nanotech suits with infinity war, its super adaptable but also very limited and has to adapt on the fly, to which tony then fixed that issue by making it where his suit creates energy projections rather than physical weapons.
I've been thinking this for a while. Totally agree. Also on the topic of transformation scenes... the last time we saw Bruce Banner transform into The Hulk was the first Avengers movie.
Wow I never realized that we haven't seen him transform since the first Advenger movie 🤯
Did he not do it in Age of Ultron?
What about thor ragnarok
Nope, he goes from Hulk to Bruce. But all Bruce to Hulk is off screen.
@@kjj26k off screen
Din Djarin from the Mandalorian and Master Chief from Halo are great examples of characters who obscure their face but still act well. I also found myself thinking of V for Vendetta. The audience NEVER gets to see V's face, not even once, but he conveys emotions quite well.
And Judge Dredd!
The Halo series notwithstanding
@@richborn6700 I've made a point of not watching it lol
@@Liquorice_Monster Good call lol. I watched it out of mild curiosity and couldn't make it past episode 4. Bastardization of the Halo setting and its characters aside, the show has extremely bad pacing and structure problems. It follows this sort of A-B-A-B formula where you get one episode dedicated entirely to the main characters (John Halo & Co.) where all the major plot points happen, and then the next episode is dedicated solely to this one Korean lady colonist and her story against the not-Space Nazis. It's the most boring and uneventful sci-fi I've ever seen. Might as well be watching static white noise.
i'd put darth vader in there as well he wore a helmet for most of the original trilogy only showing the back of his head in empire strikes back and his face during his death and he is the most iconic movie villain of all time. you could feel his anger his sadness everything without seeing david prowse's face.
So, how are we gonna make it?
Hollywood: Ahh…Nanotech