Computer voice bullshit stopped me halfway through. It is not natural does not have the proper cadence,syntax, or pronunciation in American, or probably not in ANY language. It plain STINKS.
Bruh and at one point the dude closest to the camera muzzle flashed his partner and kept his finger on the trigger even while in the low ready. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
From the other side of the world and with 46 yrs in our military (now retired) I could not agree more. The techniques applied were pretty shocking, although in fairness I doubt our military would have faired better. I think it is pretty common that military training around the world do not prioritize handgun shooting except maybe special forces.
I was in the ARMY when they were transitioning from the .45 to the 9mm. I remember hearing a few complaining that even though it was a little bit more accurate and the mag held more bullets, they would prefer the .45 in a wartime situation.And that was then.
Everyone was once a newbie so I think it’s a great idea. Let’s be real, you’re indirectly patting yourself on the back and being self righteous/grandiose thinking you’re above people. Just stfu and stop spewing your garbage
Lets be clear, the infantry will be using the M4 rifles, not their pistol as their go-to. Besides, the M9 was still an excellent choice that any soldier with any level of expertise will be fully capable of using. So how about we chill now?
This pistol has a remarkable resemblance to the Sig 226. I was in law enforcement in the ‘80’s and everyone wanted the Glock. It didn’t feel right in my hands, whereas the 226 was a great fit. It’s my go-to to this day.
After 20yrs Army I have multiple pistols and rifles and taught my son how to sight, shoot, and safety as well as general range "etiquette". My son made it to E5 (Army) last year. His problem is that as an Army mechanic and an NCO his unit seldom trains, almost never does organized PT, and has not been to the qualification range in over a year. New unit this year and received about 1/2 of his issue and was told that he would have to buy what he needed for the field. His soldiers told him it has been like that for a long time. I joined the Army in 83 and most of my senior NCOs were combat Vets. Most of our gear was Vietnam era as were our radios and trucks but we did some type of training every day. PT at 0430 and last formation was at 1800. Some days we would sign out our weapons and carry them around all day just to get used to handling them. It is not the fault of these Soldiers that they cannot handle a weapon properly. It is the fault of the senior leadership.
Served us army 70-78, one tour in Nam. Marksmanship training was very rare. One time in Germany, we went to the range but had no targets. We were told to just put rounds downrange.
When I went through OSUT in Ft. Benning in 1993, pistol marksmanship consisted of a two-hour class, and maybe 4 mags through a Beretta 92FS? Honestly, that was the bulk of the training. So the shooting mechanics were never real big. It doesn't surprise me to see this, to be honest.
@@airleclair I have my original US Government issue, Berretta 92 FS, I love it and I'll have it until the day I die. The Colt 1911A1 is hell on my wrist, I've broken more times than I can recall. All the fighting and Bullcrap takes it's toll on a body, especially the wrists.
They're still learning. If what the video said was correct, it was the first time any of them shot a pistol, since MPs and Officers usually use pistols; but, now, Team Leaders got issued first, a role that didn't get issued pistols before. Also, the Army uses a crawl-walk-run methodology for training. These new TLs are probably at the "crawl" phase with the pistols. Hopefully, in week 2 or 3, the pistol usage would be much, much better. Finally, this is training footage, not a demonstration. So, yeah, it's OK to look bad, especially when you're learning :)
I was a USAF SP in the mid 70's. Our sidearm was a .38 cal. 6 shot Revolver. The ammo they gave us would rattle down the barrel. The military has come a long way. A funny story, I was guarding a camouflaged C-130, it was about three AM when a bus pulled up to my gate, very unusual for that early, so I decided to have a look inside. I walked up the steps and when I turned I saw the bus was completely full of Green Berets, with all their exotic weapons. To their credit, no one laughed at my .38 revolver.
@charleswilson7371 as a guards men i have seen some good shooting and bad shooting only in pog units us shooting this bad that's not always true at all
I loved the guy pointing an unfamiliar gun at his buddies even though he thought it empty broke the first rule of firearm safety. ALWAYS POINT DOWN RANGE>
I have not had a great deal of actual military combat experience with the pistol. Used mine exactly once. Had my 1911 in my hand when I ran into(literally) 3 NVA. I was running like hell for one of my squad leaders when a flare popped... and they were right there. I would like to say I charged, but actually I just slammed into the little guy sending him flying. I guess the other two were as surprised as I was and just stood there while I fired from a long range of two or three feet. I saw the first one trying to stand and, by today’s standard, murdered him. They were brave men. I wish I could bring them back to replace some of the assholes running around our cities today. Those few seconds will stay in my mind as long as I live.
Billy Ray infantry may not be what you think a “skill” but are you truly this ignorant? The Military offers more than just shooting weapons at bad guys. Jesus. Look it up will ya?
I was in the Army in the late 60s and shot the Colt M1911A1 semi automatic with never a problem. Today I have a custom 5" M1911 clone, shooting .45 ACP +p FMJ. I have shot Glocks and S&W semi autos but still prefer the grip and feel of the classic 1911. The trigger action is smooth and solid, being superior to anything else I've shot. Being a single stack magazine with a slim frame, the 1911 not only fits well in your hand but it conceals well in a shoulder or IWB holster. I will admit that the Glocks I've shot are very reliable and surprisingly accurate for me, considering how much I hate their trigger feel. My dream gun would be a long-slide 1911 shooting .45 super.
Carried one in 'Nam. Never failed if I did my part. Later found out it was a virtual antique, a SINGER still in Army hands. I just wish I had it now, what with all the crackpots out there. So I make do with a Springfield Operator. Decent enough but lacks the charm of my old Singer.
I'm with you on the 1911. I do like my Sig SP2022. Very accurate but has a high axis similar to the firearm in this video. High axis=more muzzle flip=slower follow up.
Yeah I was surprised when my brother cam home from boot camp with a marksman rating on the rifle, but never bothered to teach him how to use a pistol. He couldn't get through two rounds on my Ruger P95 without a malfunction.
Guys, infantry wont teach guys to shoot pistol, is really un used by regular infantry. Even Special forces don't have that much training with them, they are useless for 90% of the operations they face. You will start seeing a major emphasis on handgun manipulation when you are in a Tier 1 unit or a Counter Terrorism unit. They will have all sorts of modern grip and techniques in using them and will be really proficient, but otherwise...It will be like this.
Please take the time to have someone other than a computer narrate your videos from now on. After all the mispronunciations, I would only make it about half way through.
Ken Gray he does it because he just copies a news article and pastes it on a software that creates the voice. Basically ripping off someone else’s work
I first used Sig Handguns back in the 1980's with the original P226 which in my opinion was one of the finest pistols ever made. In 2017, I transitioned from Glock over to a P320c. That lasted one month. At the 175 round mark, I began having trigger reset failures which were not consistent but progressively got worse. I contacted Sig and the tech I spoke to tried to tell me there was nothing wrong with the pistol and that "I needed to shoot it more and the issue would cease". I told him I was an armorer and that the issue was clearly a problem in the FCU (Fire Control Unit). He stopped arguing with me and sent a RMA shipping tag by email. I got the pistol back within 8 days. The issue? The trigger bar inside the FCU was out of spec which caused the trigger timing to be off. This is a fatal flaw with the P320 FCU design which can rear it's head at any point during the life of the weapon and it can and will render the user defenseless. I have spoken to unit armorers in the US Army who said they have seen the same issue with the M17 and to an alarming degree as well as other issues and they also told me Sig has been very slow to give them support when trying to assess the issues. Looking at how the NJSP had major issues with their Sig P229's and how the FBI's FTU rejected the P320, I am convinced Sig has major QC issues right now. They batch test their guns now whereas in the old days they tested each gun at the J.P. Sauer factory in Germany. Now they build as many guns in a month as they did in a year back in the 80's in Germany. IMO, major difference in quality.
Maybe the Army can figure out a way to attach a bayonet to this pistol. They may as well, because none of these soldiers are going to hit their targets.
I saw better gun handling, grip, trigger control and marksmanship at my concealed carry class. These guys are supposed to airborne - some of the best in the world. The pistol training in the Army must be terrible.
They are not airborne. Also only officers carry handguns in garrison (only in field too) and MP's, otherwise mostly everyone has little to no training with handguns.
@Marius Pretorius a lot of violent encounters in combat zones are in urban areas where convoys are rolling. Airborne units also use mechanization we arent gonna jump everywhere. Hasnt been a combat jump since rangers took an airfield more than a decade ago. Also 80% of the time is officers only who carry handguns.
Hans miller oh my bad, didn't realize muzzle sweeping your entire squad on the firing line and not knowing how to grip a pistol properly was "the real deal" these day.
Hans miller What the hell does that mean ? Is the real deal pussy ass tea cup and saucer grips? Really? Limp wristing is the real deal ? Then the military ought to rethink their real deal training programs. That one sucks.
They taught us how to kill very well though, especially with our hands and rifles and knives. I shot expert with the m1 and m11 carbine sharp shooter with the 1911.its the m11 and the 1911 that I loved the most. Those old 1911's were hard to be accurate with and the m11 wanted to walk your arms to the sky .those were the days my friends ,we thought they never end. Soon be 60 years 21d ft Benning GA
@@russscott552 I spent 4 years in the Army in the early 90’s (as an enlisted soldier so no pistol training for me in the Army). Didn’t mean to offend you but anyone that understands modern shooting techniques can look at that video and see based on recoil alone that the soldiers in the video have no idea how to properly grip a pistol which is a clear indicator they were poorly trained. Guess they spent the money on equity, diversity and inclusion training instead.
My husband was a Marine in the 1970's & saw an old Marine at the Mess hall that was a Pvt. E-1. When he asked what his story was, he was told he was an E-8, but was busted down to Pvt. when he was unloading his 1911 in the Co. office & it went off, killing another Marine. That soldier at 6:00 was pointing his pistol directly at the man to his left when reloading, which reminded me of the incident at Camp LeJeune in 1975.
Got an old (circa 1960) military issue Remington Rand 1911, .45 ACP. Built solid, very accurate, and runs like a Rolex. I'd jump over a whole bunch of them boxes of new Sigs to get to it. It eats my 230 grain LRN handloads like M&M's, and drops game in its tracks like a bad habit. For my tax dollars they could have never discontinued its issuance. I have many other handguns in my collection of firearms. Any gun that was good enough to protect our valiant warriors through two world wars, the snow and cold of Korea, and the jungles of Vietnam, is certainly worthy of my respectful carry. Guns N Basses Forever! 🔫 🎸
The first time I fired an Army model 1911 was on a Thai police range. We couldn't hit the side of a barn. The Thai police with their .38 revolvers showed us why if a Thai police officer says "HALT," (in Thai, not English,) you better be screeching to a halt. They don't miss. They appeared to be amused at our ineptitude.
Seeing some of the 101st’s initial test firing, the personnel all looked like older, higher ranking, chairborne commandos, wanting the certification on their 201 files and not in the hands of the troops who go out into the field.
My first issue pistol in the Army was an old worn out 1911A1...that I loved. Years later I carried an M9 on two deployments. Over 22 years of Army...they never had anybody to train me how to shoot a pistol...that I had to learn in civilian life and then helped to train Soldiers. For the most part, most of those in the Army will NEVER EVER use a pistol to win a battle, it's more of a decoration and it really doesn't matter what they issue. But I bought myself a M17, and I think it is one of the best pistols ever made.
As someone who took basic training as a draftee with the 101 First Airborne Infantry (Baker Company) at Fort Jackson, South Carolina in January, 1955, and fired expert (one of three) on the Garand M-1 during my rotation, I can say that this film clip is a complete piece of crap. Those guys are pulling the trigger before they get a good sight picture and wasting ammo. What has happened to my old brown shoe Army? Sign of the times.
your training was incomplete. this is a sidearm, intended for close combat. you're firing at human-sized objects within mere meters, not range targets 200 meters or more away. the difference, for example, between a sniper and a wild west shootout. that's why pistol training emphasizes time of discharge, not accuracy at range.
I was in from 07 to 11, did a tour in in OIF. Never fired the Beretta once. Only officers and MPs carried the sidearm. Not a lot of us get proper hangun training anymore.
It can happen. I've sometimes focused so much on sight picture that I don't realize my gun was locked open. If your sights are lined up, you might not immediately notice the position of the slide.
5:52 he just flagged his buddy's head. 6:05 nice trigger discipline, thats how you shoot your own. 6:12 i swear to god this guy is going to accidentally kill someone. 9:35 lmao
I noticed that also and just about to comment that but I thought someone else had to notice it and sure enough. I hope that soldier realized he could of blown a hole into his buddies head.
I’m so glad you made this comment. I’m at the 6 minute mark and I just about woke my wife up because I was bouncing around the bed yelling at this dude.... Where is the range safety? I’m embarrassed that they actually showed that!
Damn....that made me jump as well! I was maybe 12-13? I had my head slapped pretty hard one of my first days with a revolver...by my Dad....when I neglected “muzzle control”. I never forgot it...until one day many years later with the M9 at boot camp. Not adequately familiar with a semiautomatic--nervous--I once more got my head slapped again! I’ve never forgot that. I guess, one day, when they issue ray guns, I’ll get slapped on the head once again!
Agreed! They are not experts and some of them probably is the first time shooting a handgun. But dose soldiers are our young daughters and sons learning how to fight and defend the constitution and our American way of life. So give them a chance. Come on from pencil and notebooks to pistols.
In the hands of someone that can train extensively, SIG M18 can be effective, despite the absurd muzzle jump...The people in this clip will never fire it enough to become combat effective with it. The vast majority of people that will carry it, will probably put less than 200 rounds trough it in a whole year. It is not a bad pistol. It is a demanding pistol that necessitates extensive training, something US military does not offer unless you are part of the elite.
Funny pistols jump when firing, didn’t experience any excessive recoil for an average 9mm. One question I have for ya. Does your AR bruise your shoulder?
Wow some of these soldiers are pointing the gun at other soldiers on the line when inserting clips. Maybe more work on weapon control before actual fire.
Always some moron on the internet to point out how everybody else is doing it wrong. In a fire fight you'd probably be the first to run the other direction pal. I could just hear you now in the middle of shit going sideways. You to your team-mates: Uhh, could you guys please point your weapons in another, safe direction? At the same time 20 Taliban sling 7.62 your way. STFU & GTFO of here.
I was part of the first cycle of MCSF Marines that got the M-9. I'm proud of my 2 rounds center mass and one to the forehead in a little over 2 seconds from the holster. Yeah, that will give you an idea how old I am. Why the hell don't they train from the holster?? These boys need to learn how to double tap and fast!! GEEZ!! NOT IMPRESSED with their clear lack of confidence while handling that weapon. And why the hell doesn't the Marines get new equipment first. I was sick of all of their hand me down crap. There is a reason why one of our mottos was improvise, adapt and overcome.
I was in English Army in the late '50's. we were still issued with the SMLE .303. Then the Mk 4's. and the Stirling Sub Machine gun. (Water pipe. spring, and nail. Safest place my corporal told me to stand. was directly in front of it. It was designed to Spray lead in an area. .We were good at 300. 600, and 900yds. everywhere in between was pot luck. We used to go backwards at times to get right distance to hit targets.
There are some who are gonna be pissed about it, but it’s true! Most civilian training and ability is light years ahead! Watch the muzzle flip and grip in this video. I think our men and women deserve better training on combat grip and recoil control! Better training will make them more accurate and better survival chances!
@@mikechappell4919 For pistols, you are correct. When it comes to shooting rifles, I don't think any civilian training comes close to military training. Atleast when it comes to the Marine Corp's combat arms units. The problem is that the U.S. military does not respect the handgun. It's considered a weapon of last resort, and not really fit as a war weapon. The military would rather its troops salvage another rifle than resort to using a pistol. The military is going even further to try to remove more pistols from the ranks, and replace them with M4s. The pistol in today's military is mostly just there as a matter of status or ceremony, unless you are an MP or some other field that really needs them. But that's more a matter of U.S. base law enforcement. And the Marines are getting rid of their MPs all together.
Davi Khashmal Khashmal they are not powerful enough, and i’ve heard stories of some soldiers shooting somebody with a Beretta five times and they kept coming. And it’s about time the Army gets a new pistol anyway
@@Vadanovltch well changing from one 9mm to another 9mm wont change anything on how affective they are at stopping a threat. The reason for the change over is that many of the M92’s are very worn out and have been rebuilt several times over after hundreds of thousands of rounds and changing hands with soldiers repeatedly for the last 30yrs. Just like your car once it has been used so much parts wear out and it eventually will need to be replaced. Plus a striker fire design is far more simple and reliable
@@Vadanovltch I personally have never been a fan of the Beretta M9, but dude both pistols fire the same freaken 9mm round. Yes the 9mm FMJ round just pencils through bad guys, thus a poor stopper. Thats why the 45 ACP shines even in FMJ ball ammo....just delivers more energy with that big, heavy slug far better than any 9mm FMJ rounds.
My son was an MP when he was in. He told me that the MP’s did a heck of a lot more pistol practice than a regular infantry soldier. I have a P320 no external safety
Infantry are not normally issued sidearms. Senior Enlisted and Commissioned Officers get them mainly and machine gunners. Normal rifleman like myself did not get near handguns.
What I have always never understood was when the military issues new weapons, it’s the high ranking officers that never leave the office or base are always issued these new firearms first. The officers never actually face any real danger except maybe the flight in or out of a hot zone. How about we issue new weapons to the Non Commissioned Officers and Lowe Enlisted First as they are the ones that will actually field these weapons in combat first and not to a bunch of “Desk Jockeys”.
Amen to that. One of my Colt 1911s was made in 1932 and my International Harvester 1911 made in 1943. Both still working fine. In another 100 years theyll still be running when those plastic guns have decomposed into dust. And nothing can stand a hit with Hornady 230g XTP +P.
@@stevemoore5053 At Camp Perry, a senior NCO next to me did that with his M-16. The RSO physically jumped on him securing the rifle to the ground. We were an MI unit. That NCO's only overseas stationing had been to Germany. I doubt he'd fired a weapon after BCT.
DI caught me with field jacket unbuttoned,called me Elvis and made me run around our platoon while marching yelling this.Our guys needed a laugh anyway !
@@samboggs3499 In Full Metal Jacket, Senior Drill Instructor/Gunnery SGT. Hartman says, "This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun." I would trust him over anyone else. His character is played by R. Lee Ermey, a real life drill instructor for the Marines.
I don't know how much hand gun shooting you've done but until you are tuned to a new sidearm... you can't tell the slide is locked back looking down the sights. I know when I'm out with my M9 but that's come from instinct and hundreds of rounds of practice. None of these guys in this video have ever touched the p320 before. And its honestly very annoyingly different from the M9.
Consider, 99% of these soldiers have never shot a pistol. You could teach them, but assuming your horrible approach to communication, their shooting is better than your knowledge
The military is a very diverse organisation. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't filled with gun nuts. A lot of new recruits never fired a gun in their lives before they enlisted.
@@ratbatnufftime2861 because they have been made to think guns are bad by the Liberals. I was raised in a home with loaded weapons and knew they were. I started teaching both of my sons at 4, now working on the grandkids. Respect them, teach them how to survive and defend themselves. But by removing the old taboo of don't you touch that also removes the want and they will sneak around to touch what is forbidden. I slept with a loaded pistol under my pillow and both knew but not once did either sneak around or feel the need to but they also never messed with one. I started with a little 410 because I know it's not going to kick. I taught them because we lived in a area that the 2 city vehicles took 30 minutes minimum and they were the backup for the sheriff department and depending on what area of the county it could take 45 minutes to over a hour if I had to call. I had a couple of deputies I knew pretty good and they ask did I have protection and if I didn't go the next day and make sure I did. I did and do, from pistols, rifles, and shotguns all up loaded but they also said something to make me understand I had to teach them young. They said what if you are asleep and the house broken into the main reason for making sure I had at least one. I laid there one night thinking, what if? What if I didn't survive, what was going to happen to my kids? Would they be killed, taken and God knows what they would do to them. No, I wanted them to have every chance fighting to survive. This is why I taught them. Gradually moved up to bigger, stronger firearms, taught them how to brace so it didn't kick them down, to load and unload and how to work together helping each other. I wish people would stop making firearms taboo because when you do, bad accidents can and do happen.
@@lisaclark6977 what sickens me about you Americans is that you can no longer have a discussion about anything without getting partisan and demonising liberals. It's just ridiculous at this point. Petty partisan politics is the reason America is being strangled right now by COVID-19, believe it or not.
I was in the Army from 1977-1980. In my humble opinion, the M1911 was the greatest military pistol ever made. A bunch of sissies decided .45 had too much recoil. If you think this is a problem you have no business joining the Army!
Recoil isn't a matter of manliness its about biomechanics. Soldiers shoot better with 9mm. The size of your round means little when you can't hit your target
Big problem... Most have never owned or fired a pistol before entering the military.. So asking them what they think about the weapon ....kinda like asking a teenager who just had their first kiss how it was.
One eye closed (3:41) Tea cupping (3:41, 3:53 & 9:38) , anticipating (4:05), undominant grip (3:53, 3:58 & 9:38) flagging (5:53) lack of recoil control (7:29, 7:43 & 9:38) Leaning back in stance (9:22). The Army has always been weak on hand gun training. You can give them all the coolest pistols in the world but until the Army starts training on fundamentals, it will be the same old routine of just another range day rather than proper training.
Would not recommend down range. I've fired these brand new & I can say this weapon fresh out the box 4 out 10 of them will jam on the first 100 shots. I've fired multiple weapons even lower grade weapons like Taurus where I did not have that problem. & down range you can't afford that problem.
I love our Country and respect our Military, but I have to admit that some of the people in this video looked a little lost when handling their pistols. In my humble, non fanboy opinion, I feel like Glock would have been a better choice, very durable and offers thought free operation. If you can operate a seatbelt, you can operate a Glock.
Operationally speaking, the sig is almost the same as the Glock. In fact, almost all polymer framed, striker fired pistols are the same. If you can operate a glock, you can operate MOST polymer pistols. The basics are of the upmost importance in both shooting and familiarization.
Liberals and democrats 🤷🏽♂️ I joined in 06’ and separated in 11’. I’ve seen significant softening of our military since then. They treat these soldiers like babies in basic training. I’ve even heard of recruits having “time out” cards that they can pull out when DI’s are getting on them 😆😆
I remember boot camp and M16 training. I had been shooting rifles most of my life before that. However, being a new recruit you try too hard to do it right. Shooting to put food on the table , does not compare to shooting to stay alive. These guys, some of which had never shot anything other than dice, have a learning curve to deal with. Recruits…..will be protectors of people. Their job will be tough.
Having served as an Army MP for six years in the early seventies while in Europe and the US, I carried a 45 nearly every shift. That was over 45 years ago. We would maybe get to qualify/practice twice a year! This video looked pretty typical of guys that get that much real training.
It just a striker fired p250. Should have went with the Beretta M9A3. I've shot both and it's like driving a Honda vs a Porsche. I hope they use stock mags instead of going cheap like they did with the M9A2.
The standards for range work seem to have declined at the 101st. Some of these soldiers looked as if it were their first time holding a sidearm, let alone having fired one.
As a Drill Sgt for the MP's, Drill of the Year 81/82, Right hand and left eye is the hardest less than 1% of troops are like this pistol is even worse. Anyway that is my two cents worth I did win a case of beer because they bet me I could not get her zeroed in 9 rounds because they write with one hand THEY (DUM ASS PVTS) will also follow that rule JUST ask them they will screw it up 99 times of a hundred
With the soldier being so close to the enemy he is shooting, the muzzle flash fire will blind and incinerate that enemy even if he misses !!!!! I think 8 to 10 feet away from the threat is a bit to close and to late to be shooting !!!!
@@charleswilson7371 Not sure if you checked recent updates but there's been no big complaints about the M17 & M18. Even torture test videos shown them being quite reliable.
Competition for military firearm contracts has always been shady. One that was particularly shady was the one that resulted in the adaptation of the Baretta. Smith and Wesson got the shaft in that one. The military's answer? "It was a clerical error".
They tried to do the same thing to the SP1/AR-15A1,the generals tried to get the Eugene Stoner Rifle tossed away before anyone even had a chance to get a good look at it!!!
Today's S&W M&P's are very good. Few people are reporting any thing that comes close to a dis-qualifier. I've owned many different great guns, and the M&P 2.0 Compact or even the Shield (V1.0) with it's crunchy factory trigger are extremely reliable, accurate pistols. I'm not saying those models should be military issue, but the selection process is rigged, IMO.
They say this beat the beretta apx but I went with the beretta anyway. Now I hear they wish they chose it over the sig. I made a good choice I guess. And are you telling me these guys aren't trained to hold the gun properly? Cmon this is our military. All of them should have the proper grip on the gun.
@@edstrohmeier7494 Yeah, but those were men we trained. Think it shows no matter the President, the military has its issues. Why we need to get better soldiers in, versus just giving them more ammo.
Back when I was active-duty USAF, I worked as a Combat Arms Instructor teaching everything from handguns to mortars during my career. I originally carried a Smith and Wesson Model 15 38 Special and later they transitioned to the Model 92 Beretta 9mm. While I didn't mind the Beretta, but its grips were too thick for my hands. One day in the armory I found some boxes of thin grips for the Beretta's. I mounted a set on my Beretta and what a difference it made. I was already rated Expert, but those new grips helped to improve my shooting grip and scores. Later one of our "illustrious" Security Police commanders decided he didn't like the grips on my gun as they weren't "authorized". I reminded him they came with the original early batches of Beretta's and were purchased by the Air Force. He didn't like them anyway and ordered me to remove them from my handgun. Several years ago, I bought an older model Beretta 92S (a surplus Italian police model (and overhauled like new by Beretta) with the magazine release on the bottom left side of the grips). Again, the grips are a bit too thick, but I recently I found a company that makes custom grips for many models of modern automatics, so I ordered thin grips for my Beretta 92 and my Tisas Fatih (a 380 ACP Beretta 84 clone). I love Beretta's, but they seem to put thick grips on their semi-autos. Some of us don't have big hands or long fingers, so we have to adapt to the gun. The new Sig's are great in that you allowed to modify the grips to fit your hand.
STOP with the computer voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watkins 7212 but then he couldn't just copy and paste articles from the internet to make a video
Aw darn
Computer voice bullshit stopped me halfway through. It is not natural does not have the proper cadence,syntax, or pronunciation in American, or probably not in ANY language. It plain STINKS.
Stop writing shit IDIOT it seems you are more interested in this voice then in the message , piss off IDIOT !
It is a very easy hand. Gun to shoot.
Would have been nice if they were actually taught how to fire a handgun....
Are you being sarcastic or did you not watch the video?
Don't worry - if a soldier actually has to engage an enemy with a handgun he's already lost the battle.
@@rickbarnes7745 lots of those guys were holding the gun wrong.
And yea there is a right and wrong way to hold a handgun!
well they are Army lol
@@throatpunch4789 they have the mentality of I don't need to hold a gun properly. We have drones and nukes.
Coming from an Army Veteran that was pretty hard to watch. Grips, Mechanics, safety etc... just awful.
Willie Campbell I thought that the soldiers should have better handling than what I was seeing
@@gerrychambers5284 I'm not even military and I noticed it. Btw thanks for your service
Bruh and at one point the dude closest to the camera muzzle flashed his partner and kept his finger on the trigger even while in the low ready. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
From the other side of the world and with 46 yrs in our military (now retired) I could not agree more. The techniques applied were pretty shocking, although in fairness I doubt our military would have faired better. I think it is pretty common that military training around the world do not prioritize handgun shooting except maybe special forces.
I was in the ARMY when they were transitioning from the .45 to the 9mm. I remember hearing a few complaining that even though it was a little bit more accurate and the mag held more bullets, they would prefer the .45 in a wartime situation.And that was then.
I like how the noob at about 6:00, changing out his "empty" gun , points the gun at the other soldier to his left. Reeeaaalll good training.
I caught that as well… 🤦♂️
Daniel ~ I kinda wondered what the noob was doin!
Man I was thinking the same thing like wtf, does anybody else see this lol
Sad.
Made ME duck
After seeing this, I feel much better about my shooting skills 😆
And I do about my talking skills!
The techniques of some of these guys is atrocious! I haven’t seen this many tea cups since my daughters used to have tea parties with their dolls! 😳😳
Hahaha
Armchair warriors
Teacup hand grip when shooting....... In the words of China Joe “C’mon man”
Hey, let’s ask a bunch of newbies who have minimal firearms experience what they think of the new sidearm!
Sounds like a great idea.
Everyone was once a newbie so I think it’s a great idea. Let’s be real, you’re indirectly patting yourself on the back and being self righteous/grandiose thinking you’re above people. Just stfu and stop spewing your garbage
@@savvysavage1857
I could say the same of you. But I won’t because I’m not as self righteous as you.
@@MaxHeadspace9mm did you just completely blameshift and turn it back on me and not even come up with your own thought? Wow
@@savvysavage1857
I was being funny. You are just being sad. Sorry for you.
@@MaxHeadspace9mm ohhhh that was a joke. I’m hoping you have a real job then and you’re not relying on your comedy to pay the bills
The new pistol went into the hands of the elite pencil pushers first in case they need it in a fire fight with the clerks and jerks.
I agree with your observation!! How I hated it everytime the higher ups did that crap to us
The guys in the video are not regular grunts. Remfs most likely.
Oh dear.
Lets be clear, the infantry will be using the M4 rifles, not their pistol as their go-to. Besides, the M9 was still an excellent choice that any soldier with any level of expertise will be fully capable of using. So how about we chill now?
This pistol has a remarkable resemblance to the Sig 226. I was in law enforcement in the ‘80’s and everyone wanted the Glock. It didn’t feel right in my hands, whereas the 226 was a great fit. It’s my go-to to this day.
Glocks feel awkward in my hands, too.
After 20yrs Army I have multiple pistols and rifles and taught my son how to sight, shoot, and safety as well as general range "etiquette". My son made it to E5 (Army) last year. His problem is that as an Army mechanic and an NCO his unit seldom trains, almost never does organized PT, and has not been to the qualification range in over a year. New unit this year and received about 1/2 of his issue and was told that he would have to buy what he needed for the field. His soldiers told him it has been like that for a long time. I joined the Army in 83 and most of my senior NCOs were combat Vets. Most of our gear was Vietnam era as were our radios and trucks but we did some type of training every day. PT at 0430 and last formation was at 1800. Some days we would sign out our weapons and carry them around all day just to get used to handling them. It is not the fault of these Soldiers that they cannot handle a weapon properly. It is the fault of the senior leadership.
From 77 to 80 we did a lot of training. The military pay scale for an E4 was $600.00 per month, that's way I left military service.
That is pretty much the whole army. That is why we have the Marine Corp, to get the job done right.
@@bulldog41 Who's in Europe right now?
You can blame Biden for that. Troops have no business being involved. It's Europe's problem.
Served us army 70-78, one tour in Nam. Marksmanship training was very rare. One time in Germany, we went to the range but had no targets. We were told to just put rounds downrange.
“Ever grip a pistol soldier?!!!”
“Sir, NO SIR!”
When I went through OSUT in Ft. Benning in 1993, pistol marksmanship consisted of a two-hour class, and maybe 4 mags through a Beretta 92FS? Honestly, that was the bulk of the training. So the shooting mechanics were never real big. It doesn't surprise me to see this, to be honest.
What do you expect from 4 lieutenants pointing north?
@@airleclair I have my original US Government issue, Berretta 92 FS, I love it and I'll have it until the day I die. The Colt 1911A1 is hell on my wrist, I've broken more times than I can recall. All the fighting and Bullcrap takes it's toll on a body, especially the wrists.
🤣
They should be made to practice gripping their guns before they're allowed to hold their sidearms. Let the sergeant watch.
The weapons handling and overall safety in this video is absolutely laughable. The Army needs to step up their pistol training.
They're still learning. If what the video said was correct, it was the first time any of them shot a pistol, since MPs and Officers usually use pistols; but, now, Team Leaders got issued first, a role that didn't get issued pistols before. Also, the Army uses a crawl-walk-run methodology for training. These new TLs are probably at the "crawl" phase with the pistols. Hopefully, in week 2 or 3, the pistol usage would be much, much better. Finally, this is training footage, not a demonstration. So, yeah, it's OK to look bad, especially when you're learning :)
Says you
Pretty sure from article i read these were office workers not combat arms
From the looks of it I don’t think the pistol was the problem.
@@sloebone7399 These people look tired or ill informed. I am not impressed with this.
I was a USAF SP in the mid 70's. Our sidearm was a .38 cal. 6 shot Revolver. The ammo they gave us would rattle down the barrel. The military has come a long way. A funny story, I was guarding a camouflaged C-130, it was about three AM when a bus pulled up to my gate, very unusual for that early, so I decided to have a look inside. I walked up the steps and when I turned I saw the bus was completely full of Green Berets, with all their exotic weapons. To their credit, no one laughed at my .38 revolver.
Sounds like they surprised you,
then they did a good job
was that the hostage rescue C-130?
@@jk3jk35😏👉I think he was telling just another one of those "cool stories" bro 😁
The S&W Model 15 is a very cool looking gun, I don't know what I would be laughing at if I were them.
When I was with 1st SFG (70-71) our issued sidearm was a SW M10 .38 Special. God bless, stay safe and healthy and thank you for your service!😁
It is a wonder that more soldiers don't die during training. That was hard to watch.
ND?
how did they die, i wonder?!
I would’ve loved that when I was a team leader
It’s called tip of the spear , you must be sqeemish ,
@@doyouwanttobefamous2556 I tried to politely explain this issue in some other feed, but it's the internet so..apologies about your friends
My DI would have slapped me silly had I used such poor safety procedures in the range! Pitiful!
Don't give to any N. Guard troops. They'll wreck it or kill own troops.
I agree, They would have rodded your ass off that range and you wouldn't come back on it
More like slapped you senseless
@charleswilson7371 as a guards men i have seen some good shooting and bad shooting only in pog units us shooting this bad that's not always true at all
I thought this was a video of what our guys thought about this New Pistol! Where are the Interviews?
During my military service I was trained on M16 and 1911 limited training on the m60, Loved them all.
I loved the guy pointing an unfamiliar gun at his buddies even though he thought it empty broke the first rule of firearm safety. ALWAYS POINT DOWN RANGE>
I always taught my kids you never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot
This isn’t the Campbell of the 80’s range control
You grab it by the barrel and away from anything hazardous and people.
Always assume is loaded
I have not had a great deal of actual military combat experience with the pistol. Used mine exactly once. Had my 1911 in my hand when I ran into(literally) 3 NVA. I was running like hell for one of my squad leaders when a flare popped...
and they were right there. I would like to say I charged, but actually I just slammed into the little guy sending him flying.
I guess the other two were as surprised as I was and just stood there while I fired from a long range of two or three feet.
I saw the first one trying to stand and, by today’s standard, murdered him.
They were brave men. I wish I could bring them back to replace some of the assholes running around our cities today.
Those few seconds will stay in my mind as long as I live.
WORTHY ADVERSARY
By todays standard just owning a gun would have murdered him in the mind of new "adults".
Congrats on murdering innocent Asian men in a war to make the 1% richer under the false guise of “fighting communism”.
You are a murderer
Rough. I know. Nonetheless stay strong. You did what had to do. God bless & support our 2nd Amendment.
Amazing how many "soldiers" don't use proper grip on their handguns, and how many of them seem nervous or afraid of handling their weapons.
tom w. And then come out and open up training businesses!
tom w, I seriously wonder if a few of them were thinking "Why are we shooting pistols?! Why aren't we using full auto fire with our M4s?!"
largol33t1 some are just weak men this is there way to try to become strong.
Billy Ray infantry may not be what you think a “skill” but are you truly this ignorant? The Military offers more than just shooting weapons at bad guys. Jesus. Look it up will ya?
The real us army is the militia
I was in the Army in the late 60s and shot the Colt M1911A1 semi automatic with never a problem. Today I have a custom 5" M1911 clone, shooting .45 ACP +p FMJ. I have shot Glocks and S&W semi autos but still prefer the grip and feel of the classic 1911. The trigger action is smooth and solid, being superior to anything else I've shot. Being a single stack magazine with a slim frame, the 1911 not only fits well in your hand but it conceals well in a shoulder or IWB holster.
I will admit that the Glocks I've shot are very reliable and surprisingly accurate for me, considering how much I hate their trigger feel. My dream gun would be a long-slide 1911 shooting .45 super.
Carried one in 'Nam. Never failed if I did my part. Later found out it was a virtual antique, a SINGER still in Army hands. I just wish I had it now, what with all the crackpots out there. So I make do with a Springfield Operator. Decent enough but lacks the charm of my old Singer.
try a nice CZ .
1911. A classic which lasted so long.
If it ain't broke...don't fix it.
I to love the ACP 45 5IN BARREL, SPRINGFIELD MA1 VERY NICE
I'm with you on the 1911. I do like my Sig SP2022. Very accurate but has a high axis similar to the firearm in this video. High axis=more muzzle flip=slower follow up.
Well this is definitely one of the most cringe worthy things I’ve seen in a while.
How can these guys have an opinion on how the Guns operate, they dont even know how to grip a firearm
Yeah I was surprised when my brother cam home from boot camp with a marksman rating on the rifle, but never bothered to teach him how to use a pistol. He couldn't get through two rounds on my Ruger P95 without a malfunction.
The military really does have piss poor self discipline. Military should be uniform and the instructors just let a lot of poor form slide by.
Agree.
Guys, infantry wont teach guys to shoot pistol, is really un used by regular infantry.
Even Special forces don't have that much training with them, they are useless for 90% of the operations they face.
You will start seeing a major emphasis on handgun manipulation when you are in a Tier 1 unit or a Counter Terrorism unit.
They will have all sorts of modern grip and techniques in using them and will be really proficient, but otherwise...It will be like this.
😂😂😂😂, so true.
Please take the time to have someone other than a computer narrate your videos from now on. After all the mispronunciations, I would only make it about half way through.
Ken Gray he does it because he just copies a news article and pastes it on a software that creates the voice. Basically ripping off someone else’s work
Dan Harvey Sounds like plagiarism to me, that's a tad illegalllllll
Agreed. Aside from it sounding like shit it's just plain lazy
Ken Gray, Well said, sir. I agree.
Ken Gray he has to copyright infrinfements
When i was in the black ops special forces they issued a 5 shot, single action revolver 22 long rifle handgun.
I first used Sig Handguns back in the 1980's with the original P226 which in my opinion was one of the finest pistols ever made. In 2017, I transitioned from Glock over to a P320c. That lasted one month. At the 175 round mark, I began having trigger reset failures which were not consistent but progressively got worse. I contacted Sig and the tech I spoke to tried to tell me there was nothing wrong with the pistol and that "I needed to shoot it more and the issue would cease". I told him I was an armorer and that the issue was clearly a problem in the FCU (Fire Control Unit). He stopped arguing with me and sent a RMA shipping tag by email. I got the pistol back within 8 days. The issue? The trigger bar inside the FCU was out of spec which caused the trigger timing to be off. This is a fatal flaw with the P320 FCU design which can rear it's head at any point during the life of the weapon and it can and will render the user defenseless. I have spoken to unit armorers in the US Army who said they have seen the same issue with the M17 and to an alarming degree as well as other issues and they also told me Sig has been very slow to give them support when trying to assess the issues. Looking at how the NJSP had major issues with their Sig P229's and how the FBI's FTU rejected the P320, I am convinced Sig has major QC issues right now. They batch test their guns now whereas in the old days they tested each gun at the J.P. Sauer factory in Germany. Now they build as many guns in a month as they did in a year back in the 80's in Germany. IMO, major difference in quality.
Why is the Us army buying foreign guns? No Smiths Springfield's?
That’s why I bought me GSG Firefly 22lr Almost Flawless with Cci mini mag
M&P all day, every day baby! Bought the m&p 9 fde model that lost to this Sig. Shoots like a dream!
They’d be better off with Tauruses
Sig's are okay, but a bit over hyped, (IMHO)
3:15 looks like these soldiers have never fired a handgun
Probably true.
Bad idea to film to such sloppy handgun safety and training.
Thats the army as a whole.
TDF PFC great to know that the USA is going to shit
II PSYCHO II guess we can be the next lords of war by selling em just like Nicolas cage did in Lord of war 🙂
Maybe the Army can figure out a way to attach a bayonet to this pistol. They may as well, because none of these soldiers are going to hit their targets.
Wow, no information at all. No Model, no specs, no actual comments... no quantification.... completely worthless vid.
its almost like classified weapon details are, ironically classified.
sig sauer m17 is what they are
Thekilleroftanks Classified? It's a standard handgun, there's absolutely nothing classified about it..
Basicly sig 320 modular platform
Thekilleroftanks its a mass produced sidearm nothing special
I saw better gun handling, grip, trigger control and marksmanship at my concealed carry class. These guys are supposed to airborne - some of the best in the world. The pistol training in the Army must be terrible.
They are not airborne. Also only officers carry handguns in garrison (only in field too) and MP's, otherwise mostly everyone has little to no training with handguns.
@Marius Pretorius a lot of violent encounters in combat zones are in urban areas where convoys are rolling. Airborne units also use mechanization we arent gonna jump everywhere. Hasnt been a combat jump since rangers took an airfield more than a decade ago. Also 80% of the time is officers only who carry handguns.
I guess you miss the 10 or so years the US was involved with wars in the middle east...
@Marius Pretorius Combat Jumps have too high of a death rate as shown in ww2 so we do not do them anymore.
@Jessie H oh god, one of THOSE marines
5:52 reload mag while pointing your gun at your battle buddy standing next to you on the firing line. Is this the US Army or a SNL skit?
Was my thought too. Too many people don´t realize that a firearm is a damn dangerous thing - and you can take no bullet back.
That guy was kind of a Gomer Pyle actually...
Gasped and cursed out loud when I saw that.
I was in the Air Force and even I knew how badly he screwed the pooch.
They need some serious handgun training.
They need Jerry !
Maybe someone could teach our soldiers some basic firearms safety and weapons handling/manipulations before we drop millions on new guns....
Hans miller oh my bad, didn't realize muzzle sweeping your entire squad on the firing line and not knowing how to grip a pistol properly was "the real deal" these day.
Noah Hernandez Eh, who cares. New guns please.
Hans miller What the hell does that mean ? Is the real deal pussy ass tea cup and saucer grips? Really? Limp wristing is the real deal ? Then the military ought to rethink their real deal training programs. That one sucks.
If this is the real deal, we are fucked.
Noah Hernandez I
Judging from this video, the Army doesn’t teach soldiers how to shoot pistols. 🤦♂️
They never did.
They taught us how to kill very well though, especially with our hands and rifles and knives. I shot expert with the m1 and m11 carbine sharp shooter with the 1911.its the m11 and the 1911 that I loved the most. Those old 1911's were hard to be accurate with and the m11 wanted to walk your arms to the sky .those were the days my friends ,we thought they never end. Soon be 60 years 21d ft Benning GA
The he'll you say geek unless you been in the u s army or the US marines ain't no listening to you just wondering why your so ignorant.
@@russscott552 I spent 4 years in the Army in the early 90’s (as an enlisted soldier so no pistol training for me in the Army). Didn’t mean to offend you but anyone that understands modern shooting techniques can look at that video and see based on recoil alone that the soldiers in the video have no idea how to properly grip a pistol which is a clear indicator they were poorly trained. Guess they spent the money on equity, diversity and inclusion training instead.
Someone might get hurt!
My husband was a Marine in the 1970's & saw an old Marine at the Mess hall that was a Pvt. E-1. When he asked what his story was, he was told he was an E-8, but was busted down to Pvt. when he was unloading his 1911 in the Co. office & it went off, killing another Marine. That soldier at 6:00 was pointing his pistol directly at the man to his left when reloading, which reminded me of the incident at Camp LeJeune in 1975.
Got an old (circa 1960) military issue Remington Rand 1911, .45 ACP. Built solid, very accurate, and runs like a Rolex. I'd jump over a whole bunch of them boxes of new Sigs to get to it. It eats my 230 grain LRN handloads like M&M's, and drops game in its tracks like a bad habit. For my tax dollars they could have never discontinued its issuance. I have many other handguns in my collection of firearms. Any gun that was good enough to protect our valiant warriors through two world wars, the snow and cold of Korea, and the jungles of Vietnam, is certainly worthy of my respectful carry.
Guns N Basses Forever! 🔫 🎸
The first time I fired an Army model 1911 was on a Thai police range. We couldn't hit the side of a barn. The Thai police with their .38 revolvers showed us why if a Thai police officer says "HALT," (in Thai, not English,) you better be screeching to a halt. They don't miss. They appeared to be amused at our ineptitude.
5:53 poor muzzle awareness hopefully it never misfires when the slide slams forward
That Sgt should get demoted
I don’t think there’s been a semi auto loader made in the last 50 years that doesn’t have some sort of hammer block to safeguard against that.
@@jmsmeier1113 Slam fires are still possible if the primer stands proud from the case.
“Shiny new pistols”. Shouldn’t they be non reflective aka flat finish?
Dobie Dude sit down
They should have a matte finish so they don’t give off an IR signature and the holster should have a Cordura wrap for the same reason
These are prototypes on the test range, actual field issue will vary in appearance..... dammmm people...?!?
I was thinking the same exact thing!
Seeing some of the 101st’s initial test firing, the personnel all looked like older, higher ranking, chairborne commandos, wanting the certification on their 201 files and not in the hands of the troops who go out into the field.
So much wrong with grips, reloading, even safety checks.....Ugh. So is that how the Army teaches soldiers to grip a handgun? Wow
I don't see any method at all.......Capt. Willard - Apocalypse Now
Dude that's kind of why there in the army not the navy seals
My first issue pistol in the Army was an old worn out 1911A1...that I loved. Years later I carried an M9 on two deployments. Over 22 years of Army...they never had anybody to train me how to shoot a pistol...that I had to learn in civilian life and then helped to train Soldiers. For the most part, most of those in the Army will NEVER EVER use a pistol to win a battle, it's more of a decoration and it really doesn't matter what they issue. But I bought myself a M17, and I think it is one of the best pistols ever made.
4:03 the mf is shaking like crazy and flinching everytime he pulls the trigger 😂
6:00 on. Soldier keeps forgetting his main safety. Major malfunction in the making.
Thought I was the only one who noticed lol
Also he was right handed, left eye dominant.
His grip looked more like a scene from a 70's movie
Same guy at 3:30 on
My friends 18 year old daughter did better with my Glock 22 .40 SW. Only her third time ever at range and her previous times were with.380 and 9mm.
I’m not bashing by any means but there is literally a LTC tea cup gripping a pistol! 😂
As someone who took basic training as a draftee with the 101 First Airborne Infantry (Baker Company) at Fort
Jackson, South Carolina in January, 1955, and fired expert (one of three) on the Garand M-1 during my rotation,
I can say that this film clip is a complete piece of crap. Those guys are pulling the trigger before they get a good
sight picture and wasting ammo. What has happened to my old brown shoe Army? Sign of the times.
your training was incomplete. this is a sidearm, intended for close combat. you're firing at human-sized objects within mere meters, not range targets 200 meters or more away. the difference, for example, between a sniper and a wild west shootout. that's why pistol training emphasizes time of discharge, not accuracy at range.
tom smith: I was taught that every time you jerk the trigger, the shot goes awry. One good shot is worth more than
a dozen wild ones.
I was in from 07 to 11, did a tour in in OIF. Never fired the Beretta once. Only officers and MPs carried the sidearm. Not a lot of us get proper hangun training anymore.
None of them looked like they knew what they were doing
Be grateful these are some of the people that may be sent to take your firearms! If that unfortunate day ever transpires
9:35 zero shooting skills...
Can you believe these are 101st soldiers? Once the 101st jumped from shot up planes over the skies of normandy, now this? Wtf?
Don't forget 5:55...i hate to be the guy on the left... DI shoulda bonked him on my head seeing that.
That was very painful to watch...
Fucking sad.. The military is becoming a joke..
God help us. Gun looks good. Soldiers not so much.
lol...slide is locked back, magazine is empty and soldier keeps yanking on trigger...heheheh
It can happen. I've sometimes focused so much on sight picture that I don't realize my gun was locked open. If your sights are lined up, you might not immediately notice the position of the slide.
So called trained !
5:52 he just flagged his buddy's head. 6:05 nice trigger discipline, thats how you shoot your own. 6:12 i swear to god this guy is going to accidentally kill someone. 9:35 lmao
Damn...hope we never go to war🙄
I noticed that also and just about to comment that but I thought someone else had to notice it and sure enough. I hope that soldier realized he could of blown a hole into his buddies head.
I’m so glad you made this comment. I’m at the 6 minute mark and I just about woke my wife up because I was bouncing around the bed yelling at this dude.... Where is the range safety? I’m embarrassed that they actually showed that!
Damn....that made me jump as well! I was maybe 12-13? I had my head slapped pretty hard one of my first days with a revolver...by my Dad....when I neglected “muzzle control”. I never forgot it...until one day many years later with the M9 at boot camp. Not adequately familiar with a semiautomatic--nervous--I once more got my head slapped again! I’ve never forgot that. I guess, one day, when they issue ray guns, I’ll get slapped on the head once again!
....hey....are these guys the "team leaders" they were issued to?
Of course they will like it if they never held another pistol before
Matt Lord exactly.....exactly. fkn poor ass pistol skills and movie pose stances.. awful
Exactly
Anyone else see the guy point the muzzle of the gun at someone else's head while reloading?
I guess the line instructor missed that one.. Poor weapon handling. UNSAT ... lol
Agreed! They are not experts and some of them probably is the first time shooting a handgun. But dose soldiers are our young daughters and sons learning how to fight and defend the constitution and our American way of life. So give them a chance. Come on from pencil and notebooks to pistols.
In the hands of someone that can train extensively, SIG M18 can be effective, despite the absurd muzzle jump...The people in this clip will never fire it enough to become combat effective with it. The vast majority of people that will carry it, will probably put less than 200 rounds trough it in a whole year. It is not a bad pistol. It is a demanding pistol that necessitates extensive training, something US military does not offer unless you are part of the elite.
The military version is the full size M17.
Funny pistols jump when firing, didn’t experience any excessive recoil for an average 9mm. One question I have for ya. Does your AR bruise your shoulder?
@@crawdadlando4053 In my active duty days, carried the M9 and M16. Do not recall any bruises from M16. The new AR platforms seem even more forgiving.
Looks like handgun training in the Army hasn't gotten any better in the last 30 years.
05:53 wait, Did he just reload his gun while pointing into his friend beside him? Even the mag was empty, there is still chance for accident.
They weren´t his friends!!! LOL
It's sad to see how bad the form is with most of these "soldiers"..Who the hell is training them to shoot like this?
Wow some of these soldiers are pointing the gun at other soldiers on the line when inserting clips. Maybe more work on weapon control before actual fire.
Rau Kenneth they’re not “clips”, they’re magazines.
They are unloaded . It doesn't matter if the gun is unloaded , on safety , and in a box with a trigger lock engaged . Idiot
Always some moron on the internet to point out how everybody else is doing it wrong. In a fire fight you'd probably be the first to run the other direction pal. I could just hear you now in the middle of shit going sideways. You to your team-mates: Uhh, could you guys please point your weapons in another, safe direction? At the same time 20 Taliban sling 7.62 your way. STFU & GTFO of here.
Always some moron on the internet telling other people their comments are wrong. Should be obvious that pointing a gun at people is not a good idea.
You need some help with your anger if my observation made you so angry. That an s going to get you in big trouble.
Watching these Joe's shoot was a ding to my confidence in their abilities to fight
Lee Holmes that's what happens when you lower the standards to make everyone happy
101st is pog shit now, from badass invasion force, to pog retards
I'm glad I'm not the only one who spotted all the noob mistakes.
That's why they didn't go with glock,it sounds to much like cock and they didn't want any confusion about what they ment about handling your weapon!
raj1966 look how diverse it is now. When you lower your standards this is what happens.
The embarrassment. Alright men, this is how a ballerina shoots a pistol. Ass out, hands forward, blink and jump. Now fire!
I was part of the first cycle of MCSF Marines that got the M-9. I'm proud of my 2 rounds center mass and one to the forehead in a little over 2 seconds from the holster. Yeah, that will give you an idea how old I am. Why the hell don't they train from the holster?? These boys need to learn how to double tap and fast!! GEEZ!! NOT IMPRESSED with their clear lack of confidence while handling that weapon. And why the hell doesn't the Marines get new equipment first. I was sick of all of their hand me down crap. There is a reason why one of our mottos was improvise, adapt and overcome.
Mike P no lol marines get hand me downs
So why are they issued the m27 new to our marines service rifle?
hollow points are not allowed under the Geneva Convention
Police can use them
I was in English Army in the late '50's. we were still issued with the SMLE .303.
Then the Mk 4's. and the Stirling Sub Machine gun. (Water pipe. spring, and nail.
Safest place my corporal told me to stand. was directly in front of it. It was designed to Spray lead in an area.
.We were good at 300. 600, and 900yds. everywhere in between was pot luck.
We used to go backwards at times to get right distance to hit targets.
That moment when you realize Civilian shooters have more gun safety and training...
It's their first time. 0:54
thanks to the NRA
There are some who are gonna be pissed about it, but it’s true!
Most civilian training and ability is light years ahead!
Watch the muzzle flip and grip in this video.
I think our men and women deserve better training on combat grip and recoil control!
Better training will make them more accurate and better survival chances!
@@mikechappell4919 For pistols, you are correct. When it comes to shooting rifles, I don't think any civilian training comes close to military training. Atleast when it comes to the Marine Corp's combat arms units.
The problem is that the U.S. military does not respect the handgun. It's considered a weapon of last resort, and not really fit as a war weapon. The military would rather its troops salvage another rifle than resort to using a pistol. The military is going even further to try to remove more pistols from the ranks, and replace them with M4s. The pistol in today's military is mostly just there as a matter of status or ceremony, unless you are an MP or some other field that really needs them. But that's more a matter of U.S. base law enforcement. And the Marines are getting rid of their MPs all together.
@Eric Hawes they do train plenty, that reply was meant for an entirely different comment. Thanks.
Unlimited ammo and someone to load my mags... it's like paradise!
LMAO!
Sure, clip, that's right
@oliverthecat666 anyone got a CLIP for my M16a4? I need a magazine for my M1 Garand, and Lee-Enfield
I worked in the USAF law enforcement armory in Okinawa from 86-87. We had the old Smith & Wesson model 15 38’s.
Thank you so much for your service sir, so you were an MP?
I remember qualifying with the then new, M92A side arm. Glad our guys are finally getting a new weapon.
Are you actually a taxpayer? We already PAID for the M92s! So now, we are supposed to replace them? Why?
Davi Khashmal Khashmal they are not powerful enough, and i’ve heard stories of some soldiers shooting somebody with a Beretta five times and they kept coming. And it’s about time the Army gets a new pistol anyway
@@Vadanovltch well changing from one 9mm to another 9mm wont change anything on how affective they are at stopping a threat.
The reason for the change over is that many of the M92’s are very worn out and have been rebuilt several times over after hundreds of thousands of rounds and changing hands with soldiers repeatedly for the last 30yrs. Just like your car once it has been used so much parts wear out and it eventually will need to be replaced. Plus a striker fire design is far more simple and reliable
@@Vadanovltch I personally have never been a fan of the Beretta M9, but dude both pistols fire the same freaken 9mm round.
Yes the 9mm FMJ round just pencils through bad guys, thus a poor stopper.
Thats why the 45 ACP shines even in FMJ ball ammo....just delivers more energy with that big, heavy slug far better than any 9mm FMJ rounds.
How hard is it to get someone to speak for the video instead of using a robotic voice?
AI taking over the planet
it noticed it too, some leg non-talker quiff......................... all the way ! abrn !
2:00 was all I could stand of this computer voice & from what I saw in the comments, I'm glad I stopped when I did!
I'm not too crazy about the new military hand guns that U.S. has. Nothing beats the .45 it has good stopping power.
My son was an MP when he was in. He told me that the MP’s did a heck of a lot more pistol practice than a regular infantry soldier. I have a P320 no external safety
Infantry are not normally issued sidearms. Senior Enlisted and Commissioned Officers get them mainly and machine gunners. Normal rifleman like myself did not get near handguns.
What I have always never understood was when the military issues new weapons, it’s the high ranking officers that never leave the office or base are always issued these new firearms first. The officers never actually face any real danger except maybe the flight in or out of a hot zone. How about we issue new weapons to the Non Commissioned Officers and Lowe Enlisted First as they are the ones that will actually field these weapons in combat first and not to a bunch of “Desk Jockeys”.
I’ll just keep my Colt 1911 thank you.
yup, me too. colt series 80
.40 cal, watered down .45....
Amen to that. One of my Colt 1911s was made in 1932 and my International Harvester 1911 made in 1943. Both still working fine. In another 100 years theyll still be running when those plastic guns have decomposed into dust. And nothing can stand a hit with Hornady 230g XTP +P.
@Mike Siegel I have three Colt 20 round mags that function flawlessly for mine. You got 59 brothers?
@@johncitizen3927 you clearly don't know anything about .40.........it's faster and has more stopping power than a .45 statically
My gripe is on the range control guys who didn't scream "CEASE FIRE" when the soldier pointed the handgun down the firing line.
I've been a RSO for over 12 years now, you sir are correct !!!
Coming from a combat engineer, I saw the samething!
@@stevemoore5053 At Camp Perry, a senior NCO next to me did that with his M-16. The RSO physically jumped on him securing the rifle to the ground. We were an MI unit. That NCO's only overseas stationing had been to Germany. I doubt he'd fired a weapon after BCT.
"This is my weapon and this is my gun,"......"This ones for shooting and this ones for fun !"
DI caught me with field jacket unbuttoned,called me Elvis and made me run around our platoon while marching yelling this.Our guys needed a laugh anyway !
@@samboggs3499 Was that mass punishment for breaking a rule or something?
@@samboggs3499 In Full Metal Jacket, Senior Drill Instructor/Gunnery SGT. Hartman says, "This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun." I would trust him over anyone else. His character is played by R. Lee Ermey, a real life drill instructor for the Marines.
Wonder what the females say.
3:27 watching him squeeze the trigger again w/ the slide locked back on an empty mag made my skin crawl
Today's new Army!
Some needed for fighting, some for catching bullets...
I don't know how much hand gun shooting you've done but until you are tuned to a new sidearm... you can't tell the slide is locked back looking down the sights. I know when I'm out with my M9 but that's come from instinct and hundreds of rounds of practice. None of these guys in this video have ever touched the p320 before. And its honestly very annoyingly different from the M9.
It's a known fact that you don't have to be a badass to serve in the military... especially the army 💯😭
New in his hand? He has a lot to learn about his pistol.
Worst grips I’ve ever seen,surprised they didn’t have failures, who taught them how to shoot??
Porsche911SC82 someone better than you.
Probably not somebody with a fanboi name.
Consider, 99% of these soldiers have never shot a pistol. You could teach them, but assuming your horrible approach to communication, their shooting is better than your knowledge
madkabal Really? It looked like they didn't have a clue how to shoot.
I believe the correct response is "Your Mom".
Why were their hands shaking like that?!
Aren’t they used to firing ranges?
New gun
The military is a very diverse organisation. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't filled with gun nuts. A lot of new recruits never fired a gun in their lives before they enlisted.
@@ratbatnufftime2861 yeh and rifle is number 1 😁
@@ratbatnufftime2861 because they have been made to think guns are bad by the Liberals. I was raised in a home with loaded weapons and knew they were. I started teaching both of my sons at 4, now working on the grandkids. Respect them, teach them how to survive and defend themselves. But by removing the old taboo of don't you touch that also removes the want and they will sneak around to touch what is forbidden. I slept with a loaded pistol under my pillow and both knew but not once did either sneak around or feel the need to but they also never messed with one. I started with a little 410 because I know it's not going to kick. I taught them because we lived in a area that the 2 city vehicles took 30 minutes minimum and they were the backup for the sheriff department and depending on what area of the county it could take 45 minutes to over a hour if I had to call. I had a couple of deputies I knew pretty good and they ask did I have protection and if I didn't go the next day and make sure I did. I did and do, from pistols, rifles, and shotguns all up loaded but they also said something to make me understand I had to teach them young. They said what if you are asleep and the house broken into the main reason for making sure I had at least one. I laid there one night thinking, what if? What if I didn't survive, what was going to happen to my kids? Would they be killed, taken and God knows what they would do to them. No, I wanted them to have every chance fighting to survive. This is why I taught them. Gradually moved up to bigger, stronger firearms, taught them how to brace so it didn't kick them down, to load and unload and how to work together helping each other. I wish people would stop making firearms taboo because when you do, bad accidents can and do happen.
@@lisaclark6977 what sickens me about you Americans is that you can no longer have a discussion about anything without getting partisan and demonising liberals. It's just ridiculous at this point. Petty partisan politics is the reason America is being strangled right now by COVID-19, believe it or not.
im concerned that these shooters in this video are our military. the majority of them look like they've never handled a pistol before.
Handguns are a secondary weapon and play a minor role in combat, the 1911A1 fit that description well and is good enough for me.
Waste of tax payer money. Three tours in the Middle East and I've never pulled my side arm nor has anyone else in the platoon
bogey2230 better safe than sorry
Tom Gandy You can bet your life on it.
I was in the Army from 1977-1980. In my humble opinion, the M1911 was the greatest military pistol ever made. A bunch of sissies decided .45 had too much recoil. If you think this is a problem you have no business joining the Army!
Kelly Keefe facts
I doubt many people are going to place a lot of emphasis on the opinion of some guy would couldn't hack it after 3 years.
For a lot of units training is an issue. You need trigger time. 1911 most definitely gives me a freedom boner.
Recoil isn't a matter of manliness its about biomechanics. Soldiers shoot better with 9mm. The size of your round means little when you can't hit your target
@@someguy5035 How long did you serve?
It seems that the problems are not in pistols at all.
Big problem... Most have never owned or fired a pistol before entering the military.. So asking them what they think about the weapon ....kinda like asking a teenager who just had their first kiss how it was.
One eye closed (3:41) Tea cupping (3:41, 3:53 & 9:38) , anticipating (4:05), undominant grip (3:53, 3:58 & 9:38) flagging (5:53) lack of recoil control (7:29, 7:43 & 9:38) Leaning back in stance (9:22). The Army has always been weak on hand gun training. You can give them all the coolest pistols in the world but until the Army starts training on fundamentals, it will be the same old routine of just another range day rather than proper training.
The handgun skills i just saw from my old unit (well division anyway) made me wanna dig my eyes out with a spoon.
Watching this video just plain made my hands hurt from way these children are holding their weapons
Would not recommend down range. I've fired these brand new & I can say this weapon fresh out the box 4 out 10 of them will jam on the first 100 shots. I've fired multiple weapons even lower grade weapons like Taurus where I did not have that problem. & down range you can't afford that problem.
I love our Country and respect our Military, but I have to admit that some of the people in this video looked a little lost when handling their pistols. In my humble, non fanboy opinion, I feel like Glock would have been a better choice, very durable and offers thought free operation. If you can operate a seatbelt, you can operate a Glock.
And it doesn't fire if dropped on the back side of the slide, can't say the same about the p320
Operationally speaking, the sig is almost the same as the Glock. In fact, almost all polymer framed, striker fired pistols are the same. If you can operate a glock, you can operate MOST polymer pistols. The basics are of the upmost importance in both shooting and familiarization.
4:06 kids literally shaking!!! Shiz has downgraded so much since my time!
Because liberals have the world now go figure
Liberals and democrats 🤷🏽♂️ I joined in 06’ and separated in 11’. I’ve seen significant softening of our military since then. They treat these soldiers like babies in basic training. I’ve even heard of recruits having “time out” cards that they can pull out when DI’s are getting on them 😆😆
@@plugBONE WTH? Really? None of my family or friends were this way. They were rode hard and trained harder.
Lisa Casteel Clark ł
yup Army is pussy now. Fat and low IQ.
I remember boot camp and M16 training. I had been shooting rifles most of my life before that. However, being a new recruit you try too hard to do it right. Shooting to put food on the table , does not compare to shooting to stay alive. These guys, some of which had never shot anything other than dice, have a learning curve to deal with. Recruits…..will be protectors of people. Their job will be tough.
Paper targets move when hit correct? So if they can't hit the target why give them a handgun ???
I'll stick with my 92FS thank you.
davsny5 Yup I’ve had mine since 87? Still my home protector
Aman to that -- love my Beretta!
The king of all pistols
Lmaoo 92FS
my thought exactly.. I chose m9a3 over that 320
Having served as an Army MP for six years in the early seventies while in Europe and the US, I carried a 45 nearly every shift. That was over 45 years ago. We would maybe get to qualify/practice twice a year! This video looked pretty typical of guys that get that much real training.
bluhammer06, back then, you carried a Colt M1911 as I did during my two tours in Vietnam.
4:04 lookin a little shaky there
the duderino.... he aint hitting shit old shaky
I saw that too. He was nervous. I did that my first time shooting a 9mm.
It just a striker fired p250. Should have went with the Beretta M9A3. I've shot both and it's like driving a Honda vs a Porsche. I hope they use stock mags instead of going cheap like they did with the M9A2.
The standards for range work seem to have declined at the 101st. Some of these soldiers looked as if it were their first time holding a sidearm, let alone having fired one.
Holy crap! You need to send these guys to basic handgun shooting school. Right hand shooter , left eye dominate wondering why he’s not hitting shit
As a Drill Sgt for the MP's, Drill of the Year 81/82, Right hand and left eye is the hardest less than 1% of troops are like this pistol is even worse. Anyway that is my two cents worth I did win a case of beer because they bet me I could not get her zeroed in 9 rounds because they write with one hand THEY (DUM ASS PVTS) will also follow that rule JUST ask them they will screw it up 99 times of a hundred
Targets all look intact to me after the group was finished.
With the soldier being so close to the enemy he is shooting, the muzzle flash fire will blind and incinerate that enemy even if he misses !!!!! I think 8 to 10 feet away from the threat is a bit to close and to late to be shooting !!!!
I didn't hear them say a word about how they liked it..lol
In the military it doesn't matter what you like you use whatever your issued.
Probably another failure like the M-9
@@charleswilson7371 Not sure if you checked recent updates but there's been no big complaints about the M17 & M18. Even torture test videos shown them being quite reliable.
Competition for military firearm contracts has always been shady. One that was particularly shady was the one that resulted in the adaptation of the Baretta. Smith and Wesson got the shaft in that one. The military's answer? "It was a clerical error".
Jim Mc If S&w autos were that great, they would still be making the 59 series.
I do believe it was the Smith & Wesson 459A that was in the competition in the 1985 trials. BTW I have a S&W 459.
They tried to do the same thing to the SP1/AR-15A1,the generals tried to get the Eugene Stoner Rifle tossed away before anyone even had a chance to get a good look at it!!!
I did not know about that one.
Today's S&W M&P's are very good. Few people are reporting any thing that comes close to a dis-qualifier. I've owned many different great guns, and the M&P 2.0 Compact or even the Shield (V1.0) with it's crunchy factory trigger are extremely reliable, accurate pistols. I'm not saying those models should be military issue, but the selection process is rigged, IMO.
These soldiers obviously need a lot more pistol handling training! This would never fly in most law enforcement agencies.
Do you really think that the Army is going to have a soldier say anything bad about the pistol?
They say this beat the beretta apx but I went with the beretta anyway. Now I hear they wish they chose it over the sig. I made a good choice I guess. And are you telling me these guys aren't trained to hold the gun properly? Cmon this is our military. All of them should have the proper grip on the gun.
Damn, I wonder if the military has ever heard about speed loaders like the UpLulla?
Ha! Was thinking the same thing.
I'm sure it wont be long before the enemy gets some for free.
Update they just got boxes and boxes of them in Afganastan
@@edstrohmeier7494 I had a feeling.
It's okay tho cause it's one of the biggest POS ever issued
@@edstrohmeier7494 Yeah, but those were men we trained. Think it shows no matter the President, the military has its issues. Why we need to get better soldiers in, versus just giving them more ammo.
Back when I was active-duty USAF, I worked as a Combat Arms Instructor teaching everything from handguns to mortars during my career. I originally carried a Smith and Wesson Model 15 38 Special and later they transitioned to the Model 92 Beretta 9mm. While I didn't mind the Beretta, but its grips were too thick for my hands. One day in the armory I found some boxes of thin grips for the Beretta's. I mounted a set on my Beretta and what a difference it made. I was already rated Expert, but those new grips helped to improve my shooting grip and scores. Later one of our "illustrious" Security Police commanders decided he didn't like the grips on my gun as they weren't "authorized". I reminded him they came with the original early batches of Beretta's and were purchased by the Air Force. He didn't like them anyway and ordered me to remove them from my handgun. Several years ago, I bought an older model Beretta 92S (a surplus Italian police model (and overhauled like new by Beretta) with the magazine release on the bottom left side of the grips). Again, the grips are a bit too thick, but I recently I found a company that makes custom grips for many models of modern automatics, so I ordered thin grips for my Beretta 92 and my Tisas Fatih (a 380 ACP Beretta 84 clone). I love Beretta's, but they seem to put thick grips on their semi-autos. Some of us don't have big hands or long fingers, so we have to adapt to the gun. The new Sig's are great in that you allowed to modify the grips to fit your hand.