Rewatching this episode/season again recently and am shocked at how clever this scene was. It also marked the beginning of the end of Diane's and Bojack's friendship as we knew it.
@@weirddd469 it was a serious problem that shouldve been discussed privately, not aired out on tv. also, imagine if penny or charlotte saw that episode. that would be so disheartening to see
This scene is fun is because Diane is being subtle to Bojack in how she knows what happened in New Mexico and making Bojack recount it was a clever way to invoke anxiety in the audience. I see a lot of people getting mad at Diane or praising Diane, but from a narrative standpoint *outside* of the characters, this scene is fantastic regardless
Did you actually think a victim would watch a show with their abuser's face promoting it everywhere? You're not making any sort of point, that makes no sense. Also, she tried to intervene with Bojack SO many times to help him, he refuses help in every form and this was an act of desperate measure to get him to confront his shit. He wouldn't even begin to do it until he was forced to own up to his shit in the live television interview. In most contexts it would be fucked up, but in Bojack's context, he escalated it to this point. He really left no other options for help. Penny would NEVER be watching Philbert, she quote for quote "doesn't want to see him again, doesn't want to see him at ALL" (her own words when Bojack tried to visit her again) I had abusive people in my life who went on to do pretty well-known projects and I know I don't watch them because of who I associate it with.
So I seem to have viewed this scene very differently from everybody else. I felt like this was equal parts Diane calling him out and covering for him. The woman, I’m blanking on her name, was threatening to leak that audio of him with the journalist. By making him say these lines that audio is no longer a danger. But at the same time that look she gave him is just total malice. She knows what he did and he can’t tell anybody about it. And that’s even worse than it coming to light
This is literally what is supposed to be happening. I think most fans just don't realize it cause it made the horse man sad, so they get mad at the asian lady again. It's the same way that Gina covers for the choking video by simply saying its an acting gaffe.
Diane was definitely in the wrong for this, she definitely should have just directly talked to Bojack instead of going with her impulses. That said, damn that was satisfying.
Well I mean he was being really difficult though kept saying he didn't want to talk to her about shit and then being pissed off when she didn't give him attention and ruining her therapy he definitely deserved a lesson
I disagree. She did the right thing. I think this was a slap in the face he needed. Bojack just sabotage Daines relationship with her therapist and then didn't take that therapist for himself. Yet he treated Daine like she was his therapist. Daine was never equiped to talk someone who has an attraction to underage girls and almost crossed that line. Even if he didn't have that issue it was still really unfair of him to push his emotional baggage on her like that or force himself into every aspect of her life. Not to mention the scandal with Penny was also a big betrayal of Daines trust. Daine is a feminist writer who has openly spoken out against Hollywoo crourption towards women. She took a lot of heat for calling out Hank Hippopopalous for being the Bill Cosby of Hollywoo. Up until she learned about Penny she belived Bojock, inspite all his flaws, was different from a guy like Hank. He sold an image of himself that he was changing into a better man when in reality he was hiding the worst things he did to Penny, Charlotte, Sarah Lynn and others from Daine. So it was a crushing blow for her to learn that he has actaully been going against all her core values this whole time and was using her feminism only to help his public image and not because he believed it. Daine did ask if he wanted to talk about anything but he wouldn't take it. Thats because he never really wanted her help at all. He just wanted her to him to tell him that he's a good guy and everything is okay so he can feel good about himself. So he was being both a manipulative toxic freind, a hypocrite and real sick creep who won't learn his lesson. Daine needed to do that both for herself and him. She was showing him that she has a clear limit with how much BS from Bojack she's willing to take and giving him a fair warning that sooner later the truth will come out.
@@richardparker2555 When I said Diane did a bad thing, I was referring to her writing someone else's trauma into a TV show starring the guy who caused the trauma.
So picture this: Penny is watching TV with her friends, and this tunes on: a popular show about an antihero, starring the man who is the source of her trauma, enacting a scene that mirrors her trauma. The show is also renowned for portraying a brilliant antihero, who is praised, along with the actor, for being relatable to the public, and his actions are seen through a lens that is sympathetic to the antihero, not his victims. What the hell was Diane thinking?
Diane doesn't think beyond her immediate self of entitlement. In this case, she was only thinking of getting back at BoJack. Like a lot of modern feminists, she doesn't actually care about victims, even if she pretends she does.
This is one of those scenes that people will really not get the magnitude of without the prior context, but when you have the context it really sticks with you. Absolute chills when I watched it. Also even if it was a little fucked of Diane, but it was really entertaining seeing Bojack progressively lose his cool, as the lines between acting and his true feelings start to blur. Will Arnett is a fantastic actor.
If season 2 of Philbert hadn't gotten canceled, it would've retconned Fritz from being Philbert's dead partner to being a coping mechanism for his own actions. Meaning this scene would've been Philbert being stopped by his own conscience.
The major thing that everyone seems to forget about this action is that Diane released this story WITHOUT consulting Penny, the girl who was literally given trauma by BoJack Horseman. Diane got swept up in her own rage so much that she STEAMROLLED any sense of morality and just wanted to get the one up on BoJack. You can call someone out on their behavior, but going to that kind of a length, especially when it concerns other people, is NOT the way to go. This is not a "Yass Diane!" moment. She is not exempt from criticism just because she isn't BoJack and is a feminist.
To be fair, this wasn't a released story. This was just a script, she didn't expose the story publicly, because everyone believes it to be just a fictional part of Philbert. This accomplishes nothing except telling Bojack that she knows. It hurt Bojack and nobody else.
Am I missing something, when did she find out it was even Penny?? She just got a tape from bojacks publicist with the confession. Thats it. She wouldnt have even known how to find Penny.
Yeah that’s a shit argument. This has nothing to do with exposing penny’s story, this was about reminding bojack of his horrible actions. I think people just simply feel bad for him. Reminder that he’s the villain of the show.
As a filmmaker there are so many things inaccurate here. This scene would have been an editor’s nightmare. They’re making it look like a rehearsal for a play, not a single take.
As much as I love this show. It dose disturb me to see that there is a sub group of fans who didn't see anything wrong with Bojacks behavior in New Mexico or thought Penny was at fault. Which is why I really appreciated the Philbert plot. It was a way for writers used to confront anyone in the audience who missed the whole point of "Escape From LA" or the whole series in general.
Yeah. There's weirdly a LOT of people who sympathize with Bojack and excuse his terrible behavior and also villainize Diane or the other people he's hurt, like Gina and Penny. The fact that people actually blame Penny is actually crazy.
@user-xh6jx9kl6w Yeah she kinda didn't. Bojack was not lured in, he was not manipulated, and he was not seduced by Penny. He is in his 50s and she is a 17 year old girl. Teens and children have crushes on adults all the time, it's up to the GROWN adults to not pursue advancements with said child. He should have told Penny no, and left it at that. He decided to pursue her because for his own personal gain since Charlotte rejected him.
Many people seem to be forgetting the larger context in this episode. Diane was pressured into (wrongly) acting like this. Yes, Diane was cruel for putting Bojack on the spot here, but Bojack spent the whole episode tormenting her. He belittled her for going to therapy and sabotaged her relationship with her therapist so that he could keep her in the same place as him emotionally, even though she was struggling so hard to take care of her mental health. So I get why Diane kinda lost it and tried to put him in his place.
Any potential harm that this could’ve caused to Penny just reflects a flaw in Diane’s character - in her struggle to do right she inadvertently hurts people. But Diane is no more self absorbed than the other characters - Mr Peanutbutter alienated all his ex wives, Princess Caroline manipulates her clients and Bojack is clearly a narcissist. Diane isn’t worse than any other character; this is just a show about flawed people.
@disierra-amado5596 To be fair, Diane doesn't even know who Penny is at all. It was definitely a rash move and she was solely acting out of anger for being compared to Bojack and for him interrupting her life and her therapy.
Why are people in the comment section making Diane more responsible for Penny's wellbeing for writing a scene about something she has limited context on, than Bojack who is the one who did what's being portrayed instead?? People love to say that "Diane should have talked to Bojack" or that she "crossed the line" about this scene, as if he didn't spend the entire episode not just not wanting to talk honestly with her but making her shoulder the responsibility for HIS emotional wellbeing, and that's without mentioning the massive walking over HER boundaries by making her lose her therapist and then not even bothering to commit to therapy on top of it after all his shanenigans. I get that maybe it's easy for people not to understand how awful all that was because it's tinted with the ridiculousness of the therapist changing the names and appearances, and us seeing it as her narration, but come on.
I think this is a matter of both Diane and Bojack being in the wrong Diane for putting a teen’s trauma on blast for entertainment purposes, specifically a teen she doesn’t even know personally. While I agree it’s unlikely Penny could watch this, her trauma is shown on television on full blast and she has no idea, which is messed up. Diane technically used her as a way of revenge. Bojack, obviously for disrespecting Diane’s boundaries and for what he’d done to Penny. I need to admit, what he’s done is MUCH worse than Diane and that should go without saying. He’s quite literally a groomer and even went as far as STALKING penny at her college. And moments before this, he disrespected Diane’s boundaries right after she said she didn’t want him to visit her therapist, yet he did that anyways. Yes, what Diane did was bad but you guys need to realize Bojack has done MUCH much worse
Spoilers - Whats more fucked up is this is like foreshadowing to the unveil where we find out Bojack literally left Sarah Lynn to die. 17 minutes and she died at the hospital. Also, 17 seems to come up more than once as a number in this show. might be coincidental, but Penny was 17 when Bojack saw her, and he waited 17 minutes to call for help.
Bojack Simps: DIANE IS BAD FOR THIS!! HE COULD HAVE GO TO PRISON!! Exactly, Bojack got off easy. Even in the end he seems like he got a slap in the hand.
I’m not a BoJack simp, but she is wrong for this. That was a private thing that was aired on TV for the whole world to see, what if Penny and her mother saw that episode?? That would’ve been traumatic for them especially Penny.
@@Friday1207 Penny could have still stay anonymous though?. Besides Penny wasn't mentioned here by name though. It could have just been a random scene but it wasn't. The fact is BoJack got off easy, and should have been locked up more, for what she did with Gina, Penny, and Sarah Lynn.
penny or one of the very few people close to her who know about what happened would have to sit through a season full of hour long episodes starring the person who did this to her to know about it. that makes no sense. and nobody else could find out from the episode because no names or identifying details were used. diane did nothing wrong.
I think Diane was sure kinda shitty here, but she wasn't acting out of self righteousness, she was acting out of impulsivity. Truth is, she probably didn't even think about the impact it would have on Penny, and wouldn't have done anything if she had actually considered that. She was offended that Bojack thought she was as bad as him, and she wanted a way to communicate that to him.
It was a crazy way for Diane to approach it, but Bojack has NEVER taken direct confrontation well and he's shown that time and time again, with every ex friend and female friend he's been inappropriate with. He never wants to consider that he's at fault and he won't, he's always quick to try and rationalize his shittiness. That is his default and it's never changed, we see him reject direct confrontation by new people in every single season. He never would've tried to get help if the message that he is incredibly fucked up wasn't shown to him like this. Diane has tried *SO* many times to tell him directly what is wrong with him, he will not listen to anyone who has tried to help him AND WE KNOW THIS AS THE VIEWER! He really forced her to do this in a dramatic way, he literally escalated everything and makes everything have to be done the harder way, because his pride is too strong. Also, Penny would literally never watch Bojack's shows because his face is plastered all over the promos. That arguement "what if Penny saw this??" Makes no sense, most of us victims tend to stay the hell away from whatever projects our abusers are apart of and feel sick even knowing that they're still actively apart of something that big. I get what you guys are trying to say, but Bojack really, really drove her to this point. He wouldn't have listened to her directly, or anyone. I'll take it if someone comes up with a different hypothetical of how she could've brought this up, but I honestly don't think he would've taken away anything from it if it wasn't to this degree of passive aggressive and dramatic.
i love diane but shes wrong for this. what if penny was watching the episode?? no one else in the world (other than that reporter and spanakopita) would've known what this was about other than penny. imagine watching something and the actor who almost molested you pops up in the exact scenario you were in. that's horrific.
@@chaoticneutral7976 If someone flips through channels casually, chances are they come across things they don't want to see. Either way, Diane was still taking a chance with that
@@Ennaitak or someone she knows is super into the show and she learns about the scene through them. Or if the scene was trending for one reason or another and everyone was talking about it. There are lots of different scenarios other than her willingly watching it
@@Ennaitak the show wasn't on TV it was on whattimeisitrightnow. nobody who knows about what happened would watch the show; nobody who watches the show would know what happened. there's basically no realistic way for it to get back to penny. diane did absolutely nothing wrong
People say that Diane is in the wrong when it's obvious 1) that Penny wouldn't watch anything with Bojack in it 2) that she didn't "publish Penny's story without her permission" because it's literally a fictional scenario 3) that it was a smart cover-up for the audio tape
lotta comments here hating on diane for this and although I wouldn't call myself a fan of her yall are beingunreasonable. penny or anyone who almost got sexually assaulted by an actor wouldn't watch said actor's show especially not when they're STARRING in the show. for the people who said her friends watching might call her and tell her about it, everything said here was too vague! they mentioned new Mexico and 17 years old that was it! the only way they could've even *suspected* that it was about penny was if she had told them the whole story and, as far as we know, only her mother knows (plus, if her friends had known they wouldn't even be watching his show anyway). the reason bojack was panicking here was because he recognized that it was his own words being thrown back at him. but as far as anyone else knows nothing here connects to penny. even diane doesn't know penny. as for all the bojack sympathizers, fuck him. he did not deserve to be able to move on like nothing happened, he did not deserve to get away without facing any consequences, he did not deserve to just be able to push it to the back of his mind and forget about it. dude was comparing himself to diane whose greatest sin was having a failed marriage. dude was talking about how he didn't need therapy. talking about how he's "too smart" for therapy. he deserved a reminder. to yall saying he could've been arrested; again, as far as anyone knows it's just a script. just be grateful she didn't report him herself cuz who's to say he won't try it again? who's to say he isn't one bad day away from drinking himself to oblivion and trying it with another underaged girl? there'd be no charlotte to walk in this time. if that were to happen diane(spanakopita and the reporter too) would've been responsible for not speaking up. and to the guy that said but what if bojack had killed himself after this, yea, maybe he should have
@@psomichelle2758 exactly lmao People feel what bojack feels and are taking it out on Diane because they wouldn’t want to feel exposed like that. Bojack literally got what was coming to him, I’d say he got off easy
Conflicted with this since I didn't like what Diane did here but not for Bojack sakes but for Penny's. She obviously wouldn't watch this but something about Penny's story being in here for entertainment purposes just feels wrong.
Think about how Bojack becomes paranoid that someone is conspiring against him, which ultimately leads to much of his life, and his relationship with Gina falling apart. If Diane hadn't done this, he probably wouldn't have had that reaction.
even though this was passive aggressive of Dianne, i don’t necessarily think she did anything specifically wrong that BoJack has a real right to be upset about
Preceding this scene Bojack tells Diane that they are the same, and I feel like a lot of people are missing that context when discussing why Diane did this to Bojack. Yes it wasn’t the right way to go about it but she was making a point that not only does she know about New Mexico, but they are not the same person.
A part of me thinks diane was right because i would like my abusers to be called out like this if they got famous but i also would be terrified to see my trauma on national TV
Diane was definetly in the wrong here Bojack did deserve consequences which he did get in the later season but this wasen’t a good one what if Charlotte and Penny stumble on this and it relieves their pain
I'm super at odds with Diane in this scene. A lot of people are mad at her for bringing up the Penny story, but guys, Penny is a girl like many others and things like that happen in a lot of movies. Besides, I really don't think She would see Philbert. However I am angry with Diane for reviving Bojack his trauma, Bojack harms the lives of others but consequently harms his own as well. When he said "i am the one who suffered the most for my actions" i think it was A LITTLE true, surely it is not what remains worse but it is what remains bad anyway. I'm not saying that he shouldn't take responsibility. The fact that he was wrong does not justify Diane using this story to strip Bojack and remind him that he is a horrible person. Diane had nothing to do with Bojack and Penny thing, She had to mind her own business and she was immature (If i have made some grammatical errors i'm sorry, i am italian)
I think Sarah Lynn is the one who suffered most from BoJack's actions. And even if she wasn't, BoJack is a horrible man who is willing to make others relieve the worst moments of their lives just so they can be "as broken as him".
@@Whynotmini Considering what happened afterwards, I think she would prefer being sad over Bojack's death rather than having PTSD when someone touched her neck
What is this show supposed to teach me? Stay away from toxic people like Bojack? Or see them as human beings with morals? This show is great and all, but the messages are confusing when it comes to Bojacks character. Yes, everyone else I understand. The only person I relate to is Diane as a writer and being verbally abused. I just don't get the point of following Bojack to not have him barely change at the end. Yes, he has guilt, but even at the end of it, he's still asking Princess Carolyn for acting parts. What? Edit: and I know that humanizing your villans to understand them is part of character, but a lot of comments keep comparing this show to real life. Am I supposed to feel bad for a murder?
Definitely stay away from toxic people like Bojack is my personal take. But yes, I think part of the message is that change is possible, people who do awful things aren't innately "bad," etc. I also relate to Diane the most, and I think it's important for her arc that she cuts Bojack out of her life But I wouldn't call Bojack a murderer. That's just getting into semantics of how you want to describe Sarah Lynn's death, but I don't think it's murder. He's clearly changed by the end. And he's still flawed. And he "deserves" all the consequences he's ended up with, but I think another of the show's messages is two-fold: your actions will have consequences, but there's no moral force that determines someone "deserves" any specific punishment or suffering. Bojack's character is just an example of what can happen when a selfish, but not evil person is the victim of terrible circumstances: they can do awful things. They shouldn't be let off the hook for them, but they can definitely change. And in my opinion Bojack is definitely a changed horse by the finale
I think what you're saying is kind of the point, you're not supposed to like Bojack or relate to him (to a point, you obviously can relate to his childhood, addiction, etc) but i don't think the show is trying to sway you in any way, that's why the ending was the way it was, it wasn't a concrete ending, for all we know bojack could have gotten out of prison and OD'd. I don't think you're supposed to watch this show and be taught anything specific
you can check out next few episodes of that season that tells you're not supposed to relate to Bojack and condemn the horrible things he did and his viewpoints
I also think the message is not to be Bojack. Not necessarily the level of awful stuff he does but rather the reasons. He’s selfish and narcissistic but in a believable way where he expects his friends to revolve their life around him simply because they’re his friends. He excuses his behavior because of the environment he grew up in, his drug abuse, or the Hollywood system he’s a part of. He feels remorse for his actions but tries to dodge their consequences and does nothing to change the behavior that lead to those actions. These are all mentalities that an average person can easily fall into, and as the audience we see how from his point of view all his actions seem to make sense. We can judge him for those actions but we can see why he did them. So I think that part of the moral is to not only see these mentalities in others but also ourselves, and while we might not go to the extremes Bojack does, we still have to avoid making decisions based on those mentalities.
Absolutely not. Diane is not responsible for Bojacks wellbeing. Bojack was actively being harmful to Diane, specifically by breaking up Diane with her therapist. Bojack is fully responsible here, and Diane didn’t do anything wrong here. At most, it was passive aggressive and rude. All she did was make Bojack aware that she knew what happened in New Mexico. Those were his own actions. She didn’t embarrass him by telling everyone else. Either way, she’s not in the wrong.
@@dannythetwo she is spreading around extremely sensitive information and making bojack paranoid and abusing drugs more, her doing this did nothing to anyones benefit but damage bojack more
@@crankey4769 It was a preventative measure of self defence because Bojack was hurting her. She did not spread around any sensitive information. As far as the team knows, this is just Flip's story. This was a one-to-one interaction. Bojack was not listening to Diane. She tried to communicate with him, and he wouldn't listen. Sure, it was harsh to him, but it was only as harsh to him as his actions were unethical, because all she did was tell Bojack that she knew some of what he did.
She's in the right morally as far as I'm concerned. Bojack needs to face consequences and accountability for what he did- anyone who does stuff he does needs to - but I think what Diane did was tactically unwise. Effective at getting to Bojack and freaking him out, but in real life (which the show is quite close to), when you have some dirt on an abusive/toxic person who you want to hold accountable, it's never a good idea to make them aware you know it until you have all your evidence and preparations and you're fully ready to make your move. What Diane did here was rash and could've put herself and even Penny and Charlotte in danger. That's the trouble with abusers who have more than one victim- other victim's stories are not yours to tell, so any attempts at exposing one means you need to worry about more safety than just your own. There's definitely a moral question there. But also, when it comes to what Bojack did, his mental health should be damaged by what he did. He shouldn't get away unscathed. Diane is not responsible for how Bojack deals with a blow to his mental health. I'm with Dannythetwo - Bojack was also hurting Diane and taking away a long standing support she needed.
@@pdfbanana in my opinion, there are so many different ways how to bring up if someone will do bad stuff (mainly she even didn´t knew the context). She could also bring attention to the family that was hurt just for her own satisfaction.
Lmao. It’s so funny to see people get mad at Diane in this scene because they personally wouldn’t want to feel exposed like this. Bojack got what he fucking deserved.
@@CrystalRose1111 nah, this is not the reason why i got mad in this scene. I am not saying Bojack is a good person, i am looking at this scene from different perspective.
I know that the BH fandom has this typical idea that if you don't like or agree with Diane you're a mysoginistic individual that hates women; but this was a dick move. Not only for Bojack, even when he was vulnerable for the death of his mother, triggering his paranoia and leading to a mental breakdown where he almost kills Gina (That doesn't justifiy the incident with Penny at all). But for Penny too, imagine being watching this, maybe she didn't for herself but maybe with some friends or to share time with her bf and then this scene happens... You can agree that Bojack deserved that paranoia and everything bad that happened to him on this season but Diane turned everything worse, this move didn't help anybody and just made things worse.
She didnt ask Penny for consent to do this. She just wanted revenge and even if Penny didn't watch the show one of her friends can tell her about the scene or goes all around websites about it and shit.
Rewatching this episode/season again recently and am shocked at how clever this scene was. It also marked the beginning of the end of Diane's and Bojack's friendship as we knew it.
Omg wait is your last name L for Sarah lynn?
@@Lara-vo6rp probably a coincidence
@@XchampionXFTW yeah ik but it would've been funny though
@@Lara-vo6rp account is from 2011, probably just a wild coincidence
@@ewetwentythree a pretty fun coincidence
I dont agree with what diane did but it's so mind-blowing how everything came full circle
also i love the connection of what diane said at 1:58 and the rest of the episode, when the couple was doing that exact thing but more lighthearted
@@weirddd469 it was a serious problem that shouldve been discussed privately, not aired out on tv. also, imagine if penny or charlotte saw that episode. that would be so disheartening to see
@@treeshouseofglory6104 how would they see it. it's on a streaming platform and they know bojack's in it, so they wouldn't watch it
@@pdfbananaGood point but it doesn't prevent someone from telling them.
its because she was psised off and show him she helped him
This scene is fun is because Diane is being subtle to Bojack in how she knows what happened in New Mexico and making Bojack recount it was a clever way to invoke anxiety in the audience. I see a lot of people getting mad at Diane or praising Diane, but from a narrative standpoint *outside* of the characters, this scene is fantastic regardless
Agreed
Yeah
This was most definitely NOT subtle
Dianne didn't know WHAT happened just that SOMETHING happened
Did you actually think a victim would watch a show with their abuser's face promoting it everywhere? You're not making any sort of point, that makes no sense.
Also, she tried to intervene with Bojack SO many times to help him, he refuses help in every form and this was an act of desperate measure to get him to confront his shit. He wouldn't even begin to do it until he was forced to own up to his shit in the live television interview. In most contexts it would be fucked up, but in Bojack's context, he escalated it to this point. He really left no other options for help. Penny would NEVER be watching Philbert, she quote for quote "doesn't want to see him again, doesn't want to see him at ALL" (her own words when Bojack tried to visit her again)
I had abusive people in my life who went on to do pretty well-known projects and I know I don't watch them because of who I associate it with.
So I seem to have viewed this scene very differently from everybody else. I felt like this was equal parts Diane calling him out and covering for him. The woman, I’m blanking on her name, was threatening to leak that audio of him with the journalist. By making him say these lines that audio is no longer a danger. But at the same time that look she gave him is just total malice. She knows what he did and he can’t tell anybody about it. And that’s even worse than it coming to light
that's a really smart perspective
I never thought about how this being a scene in philbert would delegitimize the recording. Pretty good stuff
@@camerenadkins2209 thank you :)
This is literally what is supposed to be happening. I think most fans just don't realize it cause it made the horse man sad, so they get mad at the asian lady again. It's the same way that Gina covers for the choking video by simply saying its an acting gaffe.
I never considered that perspective. That's brilliant.
Episode: ends in a crushing note
Me: Oh no :(
Episode: 🎵 _Back in the 90s-_ 🎶
Me: I WAS IN A VERY FAMOUS TEEEEVEE SHOWWWWW
"a routine submarine sting operation"
i like the implication that they regularly infiltrate submarines
The double brrumb before back In the 90s is amazing
Yup, that was a powerful scene. Those two shots conveyed so much without a single word spoken between them
Diane was definitely in the wrong for this, she definitely should have just directly talked to Bojack instead of going with her impulses. That said, damn that was satisfying.
Well I mean he was being really difficult though kept saying he didn't want to talk to her about shit and then being pissed off when she didn't give him attention and ruining her therapy he definitely deserved a lesson
I disagree. She did the right thing. I think this was a slap in the face he needed.
Bojack just sabotage Daines relationship with her therapist and then didn't take that therapist for himself. Yet he treated Daine like she was his therapist. Daine was never equiped to talk someone who has an attraction to underage girls and almost crossed that line. Even if he didn't have that issue it was still really unfair of him to push his emotional baggage on her like that or force himself into every aspect of her life. Not to mention the scandal with Penny was also a big betrayal of Daines trust. Daine is a feminist writer who has openly spoken out against Hollywoo crourption towards women. She took a lot of heat for calling out Hank Hippopopalous for being the Bill Cosby of Hollywoo. Up until she learned about Penny she belived Bojock, inspite all his flaws, was different from a guy like Hank. He sold an image of himself that he was changing into a better man when in reality he was hiding the worst things he did to Penny, Charlotte, Sarah Lynn and others from Daine. So it was a crushing blow for her to learn that he has actaully been going against all her core values this whole time and was using her feminism only to help his public image and not because he believed it. Daine did ask if he wanted to talk about anything but he wouldn't take it. Thats because he never really wanted her help at all. He just wanted her to him to tell him that he's a good guy and everything is okay so he can feel good about himself.
So he was being both a manipulative toxic freind, a hypocrite and real sick creep who won't learn his lesson.
Daine needed to do that both for herself and him. She was showing him that she has a clear limit with how much BS from Bojack she's willing to take and giving him a fair warning that sooner later the truth will come out.
@@richardparker2555 I already explain why Diane wasn't in the wrong in a little paragraph your massive monologue wasn't necessary lol
@@richardparker2555 When I said Diane did a bad thing, I was referring to her writing someone else's trauma into a TV show starring the guy who caused the trauma.
@bobi200samatar6 nah it was Diane's fault she a bimbo
So picture this:
Penny is watching TV with her friends, and this tunes on: a popular show about an antihero, starring the man who is the source of her trauma, enacting a scene that mirrors her trauma.
The show is also renowned for portraying a brilliant antihero, who is praised, along with the actor, for being relatable to the public, and his actions are seen through a lens that is sympathetic to the antihero, not his victims.
What the hell was Diane thinking?
Diane doesn't think beyond her immediate self of entitlement. In this case, she was only thinking of getting back at BoJack. Like a lot of modern feminists, she doesn't actually care about victims, even if she pretends she does.
Why would Penny be watching something with Bojack in it? I think that would be traumatizing either way.
She wasn't
this is dumb why tf would she be watching anything with bojack in it.
@@leix7 In a hypothetical situation she could stumble across it all the same.
This is one of those scenes that people will really not get the magnitude of without the prior context, but when you have the context it really sticks with you. Absolute chills when I watched it.
Also even if it was a little fucked of Diane, but it was really entertaining seeing Bojack progressively lose his cool, as the lines between acting and his true feelings start to blur. Will Arnett is a fantastic actor.
If season 2 of Philbert hadn't gotten canceled, it would've retconned Fritz from being Philbert's dead partner to being a coping mechanism for his own actions. Meaning this scene would've been Philbert being stopped by his own conscience.
The major thing that everyone seems to forget about this action is that Diane released this story WITHOUT consulting Penny, the girl who was literally given trauma by BoJack Horseman. Diane got swept up in her own rage so much that she STEAMROLLED any sense of morality and just wanted to get the one up on BoJack. You can call someone out on their behavior, but going to that kind of a length, especially when it concerns other people, is NOT the way to go. This is not a "Yass Diane!" moment. She is not exempt from criticism just because she isn't BoJack and is a feminist.
To be fair, this wasn't a released story. This was just a script, she didn't expose the story publicly, because everyone believes it to be just a fictional part of Philbert.
This accomplishes nothing except telling Bojack that she knows. It hurt Bojack and nobody else.
Yeah this is why i still hate diane
For her own rage she fuck bojack mental health
@Μαία wjy tf would penny watch anything with bojack in it.
Am I missing something, when did she find out it was even Penny?? She just got a tape from bojacks publicist with the confession. Thats it. She wouldnt have even known how to find Penny.
Yeah that’s a shit argument. This has nothing to do with exposing penny’s story, this was about reminding bojack of his horrible actions. I think people just simply feel bad for him. Reminder that he’s the villain of the show.
"i just changed all the names"
god this episode is incredible
I love how Mr. Peanutbutter was improvising a way better line than the one he got.
As a filmmaker there are so many things inaccurate here. This scene would have been an editor’s nightmare. They’re making it look like a rehearsal for a play, not a single take.
Creative liberties
that’s what your only seeing here? Lmao
I think the implication is that they have to get it shot before the end of the day but we're watching multiple takes stitched together into one scene.
tell me you can’t enjoy media without telling me you can’t enjoy media
As much as I love this show. It dose disturb me to see that there is a sub group of fans who didn't see anything wrong with Bojacks behavior in New Mexico or thought Penny was at fault.
Which is why I really appreciated the Philbert plot. It was a way for writers used to confront anyone in the audience who missed the whole point of "Escape From LA" or the whole series in general.
Yeah. There's weirdly a LOT of people who sympathize with Bojack and excuse his terrible behavior and also villainize Diane or the other people he's hurt, like Gina and Penny. The fact that people actually blame Penny is actually crazy.
@@BratzRockAngelsit’s not that everyone thinks what Bojack did is terrible it’s just people literally think penny did absolutely nothing wrong
@user-xh6jx9kl6w Yeah she kinda didn't. Bojack was not lured in, he was not manipulated, and he was not seduced by Penny. He is in his 50s and she is a 17 year old girl. Teens and children have crushes on adults all the time, it's up to the GROWN adults to not pursue advancements with said child. He should have told Penny no, and left it at that. He decided to pursue her because for his own personal gain since Charlotte rejected him.
Omggg the plot twist later had me shocked for an animation such as Bojack.
What plot twist?
@@abhay4147 watch the show lol
This is probably my favourite episode ending
Many people seem to be forgetting the larger context in this episode. Diane was pressured into (wrongly) acting like this. Yes, Diane was cruel for putting Bojack on the spot here, but Bojack spent the whole episode tormenting her. He belittled her for going to therapy and sabotaged her relationship with her therapist so that he could keep her in the same place as him emotionally, even though she was struggling so hard to take care of her mental health. So I get why Diane kinda lost it and tried to put him in his place.
Any potential harm that this could’ve caused to Penny just reflects a flaw in Diane’s character - in her struggle to do right she inadvertently hurts people. But Diane is no more self absorbed than the other characters - Mr Peanutbutter alienated all his ex wives, Princess Caroline manipulates her clients and Bojack is clearly a narcissist. Diane isn’t worse than any other character; this is just a show about flawed people.
but she always does this, she doesn't really care about penny, she just wants to be better than everyone else. diane is awful.
@disierra-amado5596 To be fair, Diane doesn't even know who Penny is at all. It was definitely a rash move and she was solely acting out of anger for being compared to Bojack and for him interrupting her life and her therapy.
Why are people in the comment section making Diane more responsible for Penny's wellbeing for writing a scene about something she has limited context on, than Bojack who is the one who did what's being portrayed instead??
People love to say that "Diane should have talked to Bojack" or that she "crossed the line" about this scene, as if he didn't spend the entire episode not just not wanting to talk honestly with her but making her shoulder the responsibility for HIS emotional wellbeing, and that's without mentioning the massive walking over HER boundaries by making her lose her therapist and then not even bothering to commit to therapy on top of it after all his shanenigans.
I get that maybe it's easy for people not to understand how awful all that was because it's tinted with the ridiculousness of the therapist changing the names and appearances, and us seeing it as her narration, but come on.
I think this is a matter of both Diane and Bojack being in the wrong
Diane for putting a teen’s trauma on blast for entertainment purposes, specifically a teen she doesn’t even know personally. While I agree it’s unlikely Penny could watch this, her trauma is shown on television on full blast and she has no idea, which is messed up. Diane technically used her as a way of revenge.
Bojack, obviously for disrespecting Diane’s boundaries and for what he’d done to Penny. I need to admit, what he’s done is MUCH worse than Diane and that should go without saying. He’s quite literally a groomer and even went as far as STALKING penny at her college. And moments before this, he disrespected Diane’s boundaries right after she said she didn’t want him to visit her therapist, yet he did that anyways.
Yes, what Diane did was bad but you guys need to realize Bojack has done MUCH much worse
Exactly. Diane did the wrong thing, but for the right reason.
correct take
Spoilers - Whats more fucked up is this is like foreshadowing to the unveil where we find out Bojack literally left Sarah Lynn to die. 17 minutes and she died at the hospital.
Also, 17 seems to come up more than once as a number in this show. might be coincidental, but Penny was 17 when Bojack saw her, and he waited 17 minutes to call for help.
Bojack Simps: DIANE IS BAD FOR THIS!! HE COULD HAVE GO TO PRISON!!
Exactly, Bojack got off easy. Even in the end he seems like he got a slap in the hand.
I’m not a BoJack simp, but she is wrong for this. That was a private thing that was aired on TV for the whole world to see, what if Penny and her mother saw that episode?? That would’ve been traumatic for them especially Penny.
@@Friday1207 Penny could have still stay anonymous though?. Besides Penny wasn't mentioned here by name though. It could have just been a random scene but it wasn't. The fact is BoJack got off easy, and should have been locked up more, for what she did with Gina, Penny, and Sarah Lynn.
@@basicsimp8798Penny still could’ve seen that and be traumatized about it, She shouldn’t have put that story on TV.
@@Friday1207 why the fuck would penny watch a show with bojack in it lol
penny or one of the very few people close to her who know about what happened would have to sit through a season full of hour long episodes starring the person who did this to her to know about it. that makes no sense. and nobody else could find out from the episode because no names or identifying details were used. diane did nothing wrong.
I think Diane was sure kinda shitty here, but she wasn't acting out of self righteousness, she was acting out of impulsivity. Truth is, she probably didn't even think about the impact it would have on Penny, and wouldn't have done anything if she had actually considered that. She was offended that Bojack thought she was as bad as him, and she wanted a way to communicate that to him.
But it was still wrong of her to do that. She and Bojack are very similar. Yet, she doesn't get anywhere near punished as much as Bojack does.
Diane we sorta love you for this
It was a crazy way for Diane to approach it, but Bojack has NEVER taken direct confrontation well and he's shown that time and time again, with every ex friend and female friend he's been inappropriate with. He never wants to consider that he's at fault and he won't, he's always quick to try and rationalize his shittiness. That is his default and it's never changed, we see him reject direct confrontation by new people in every single season. He never would've tried to get help if the message that he is incredibly fucked up wasn't shown to him like this.
Diane has tried *SO* many times to tell him directly what is wrong with him, he will not listen to anyone who has tried to help him AND WE KNOW THIS AS THE VIEWER! He really forced her to do this in a dramatic way, he literally escalated everything and makes everything have to be done the harder way, because his pride is too strong.
Also, Penny would literally never watch Bojack's shows because his face is plastered all over the promos. That arguement "what if Penny saw this??" Makes no sense, most of us victims tend to stay the hell away from whatever projects our abusers are apart of and feel sick even knowing that they're still actively apart of something that big. I get what you guys are trying to say, but Bojack really, really drove her to this point. He wouldn't have listened to her directly, or anyone.
I'll take it if someone comes up with a different hypothetical of how she could've brought this up, but I honestly don't think he would've taken away anything from it if it wasn't to this degree of passive aggressive and dramatic.
In an episode that was a little bit too silly for my liking, this was the kind of jaw-dropping brilliance that has made me keep on watching Bojack.
FYI
This is season 5 episode 7 and it IS on Netflix right now...
At least on the UK version 😎
i love diane but shes wrong for this. what if penny was watching the episode?? no one else in the world (other than that reporter and spanakopita) would've known what this was about other than penny. imagine watching something and the actor who almost molested you pops up in the exact scenario you were in. that's horrific.
Why would Penny watch a show with her groomer in it
Penny was traumatized just by seeing Bojack show up to her university what makes you think she'd want to see his movies and shows?
@@chaoticneutral7976 If someone flips through channels casually, chances are they come across things they don't want to see. Either way, Diane was still taking a chance with that
@@Ennaitak or someone she knows is super into the show and she learns about the scene through them. Or if the scene was trending for one reason or another and everyone was talking about it. There are lots of different scenarios other than her willingly watching it
@@Ennaitak the show wasn't on TV it was on whattimeisitrightnow. nobody who knows about what happened would watch the show; nobody who watches the show would know what happened. there's basically no realistic way for it to get back to penny. diane did absolutely nothing wrong
I wonder if Penny ever heard about this scene. Finding out that this was turned into prime time TV must have been so uncomfortable.
People say that Diane is in the wrong when it's obvious
1) that Penny wouldn't watch anything with Bojack in it
2) that she didn't "publish Penny's story without her permission" because it's literally a fictional scenario
3) that it was a smart cover-up for the audio tape
While it may be fiction that doesn’t take away the fact it is centered around a true event.
@@goodgod326 thats not a bad thing tho. "based-on" stories are written all the time, its vague enough not to be tied down to penny.
lotta comments here hating on diane for this and although I wouldn't call myself a fan of her yall are beingunreasonable. penny or anyone who almost got sexually assaulted by an actor wouldn't watch said actor's show especially not when they're STARRING in the show. for the people who said her friends watching might call her and tell her about it, everything said here was too vague! they mentioned new Mexico and 17 years old that was it! the only way they could've even *suspected* that it was about penny was if she had told them the whole story and, as far as we know, only her mother knows (plus, if her friends had known they wouldn't even be watching his show anyway). the reason bojack was panicking here was because he recognized that it was his own words being thrown back at him. but as far as anyone else knows nothing here connects to penny. even diane doesn't know penny.
as for all the bojack sympathizers, fuck him. he did not deserve to be able to move on like nothing happened, he did not deserve to get away without facing any consequences, he did not deserve to just be able to push it to the back of his mind and forget about it. dude was comparing himself to diane whose greatest sin was having a failed marriage. dude was talking about how he didn't need therapy. talking about how he's "too smart" for therapy. he deserved a reminder. to yall saying he could've been arrested; again, as far as anyone knows it's just a script. just be grateful she didn't report him herself cuz who's to say he won't try it again? who's to say he isn't one bad day away from drinking himself to oblivion and trying it with another underaged girl? there'd be no charlotte to walk in this time. if that were to happen diane(spanakopita and the reporter too) would've been responsible for not speaking up.
and to the guy that said but what if bojack had killed himself after this, yea, maybe he should have
come to think of it bojack probably has unknowingly slept with an underaged girl at some point.
Wow Diane forcing someone to reveal something they don't want to very Jack Bauer of you.
And a 50+ year old horse forcing his presence on teens with alcohol is a very...creepy of him.
@@psomichelle2758 exactly lmao
People feel what bojack feels and are taking it out on Diane because they wouldn’t want to feel exposed like that. Bojack literally got what was coming to him, I’d say he got off easy
Such a great scene!
Conflicted with this since I didn't like what Diane did here but not for Bojack sakes but for Penny's. She obviously wouldn't watch this but something about Penny's story being in here for entertainment purposes just feels wrong.
Everyone blame Diane on this, but the first time I saw this scene was "such a cool way to say f you to Bojack!"
Diane was savage in that scene ❤
Think about how Bojack becomes paranoid that someone is conspiring against him, which ultimately leads to much of his life, and his relationship with Gina falling apart. If Diane hadn't done this, he probably wouldn't have had that reaction.
Did his paranoia start because of this momment? I don't really remember the details
god ppl love making excuses for bojack
@@arhamshahid5015 there was no excuse for what he done use your eyes next time
@@boogaboogboog Literally 70% of the comments are shaming Diane for this.
Mind = Blown
even though this was passive aggressive of Dianne, i don’t necessarily think she did anything specifically wrong that BoJack has a real right to be upset about
She took the New Mexico incident and put it on blast in a show... That doesn't strike you as messed up ?
@@seeleunit2000 i've changed my ways since i commented this, Dianne went way too far, this probably did more damage to Penny than it did to BoJack
just discovered that it's a perfect blue reference
Preceding this scene Bojack tells Diane that they are the same, and I feel like a lot of people are missing that context when discussing why Diane did this to Bojack. Yes it wasn’t the right way to go about it but she was making a point that not only does she know about New Mexico, but they are not the same person.
This may have been a little too far for Diane.
A part of me thinks diane was right because i would like my abusers to be called out like this if they got famous but i also would be terrified to see my trauma on national TV
This show is the greatest adult animated show ever and Bojack is the greatest character ever
These comments speak volumes of the misogyny within this fandom
Not liking a women character's actions = misogyny.
I don’t care what people say, Diane was wrong for this
Come on Lover boy
Diane was definetly in the wrong here Bojack did deserve consequences which he did get in the later season but this wasen’t a good one what if Charlotte and Penny stumble on this and it relieves their pain
Diane did nothing wrong here
I'm super at odds with Diane in this scene. A lot of people are mad at her for bringing up the Penny story, but guys, Penny is a girl like many others and things like that happen in a lot of movies. Besides, I really don't think She would see Philbert. However I am angry with Diane for reviving Bojack his trauma, Bojack harms the lives of others but consequently harms his own as well. When he said "i am the one who suffered the most for my actions" i think it was A LITTLE true, surely it is not what remains worse but it is what remains bad anyway. I'm not saying that he shouldn't take responsibility. The fact that he was wrong does not justify Diane using this story to strip Bojack and remind him that he is a horrible person. Diane had nothing to do with Bojack and Penny thing, She had to mind her own business and she was immature (If i have made some grammatical errors i'm sorry, i am italian)
I think Sarah Lynn is the one who suffered most from BoJack's actions.
And even if she wasn't, BoJack is a horrible man who is willing to make others relieve the worst moments of their lives just so they can be "as broken as him".
If Bojack would've killed himself shortly after this, I wonder how Diane would feel?
At least Gina wouldn't experience being assaulted on set though, so I guess it's a win win.
@@basicsimp8798 Gina woulda been kinda sad too tho
@@basicsimp8798 how
@@Whynotmini Considering what happened afterwards, I think she would prefer being sad over Bojack's death rather than having PTSD when someone touched her neck
I think Dianne was wrong
They both were in the wrong this would flood in penny’s trauma if she did watched this show and bojack doing it in the first place he was like 50 🤢
what episode is this?
Season 5 episode 7
What is this show supposed to teach me? Stay away from toxic people like Bojack? Or see them as human beings with morals? This show is great and all, but the messages are confusing when it comes to Bojacks character. Yes, everyone else I understand. The only person I relate to is Diane as a writer and being verbally abused. I just don't get the point of following Bojack to not have him barely change at the end. Yes, he has guilt, but even at the end of it, he's still asking Princess Carolyn for acting parts. What?
Edit: and I know that humanizing your villans to understand them is part of character, but a lot of comments keep comparing this show to real life. Am I supposed to feel bad for a murder?
Definitely stay away from toxic people like Bojack is my personal take. But yes, I think part of the message is that change is possible, people who do awful things aren't innately "bad," etc. I also relate to Diane the most, and I think it's important for her arc that she cuts Bojack out of her life
But I wouldn't call Bojack a murderer. That's just getting into semantics of how you want to describe Sarah Lynn's death, but I don't think it's murder. He's clearly changed by the end. And he's still flawed. And he "deserves" all the consequences he's ended up with, but I think another of the show's messages is two-fold: your actions will have consequences, but there's no moral force that determines someone "deserves" any specific punishment or suffering. Bojack's character is just an example of what can happen when a selfish, but not evil person is the victim of terrible circumstances: they can do awful things. They shouldn't be let off the hook for them, but they can definitely change. And in my opinion Bojack is definitely a changed horse by the finale
I think what you're saying is kind of the point, you're not supposed to like Bojack or relate to him (to a point, you obviously can relate to his childhood, addiction, etc) but i don't think the show is trying to sway you in any way, that's why the ending was the way it was, it wasn't a concrete ending, for all we know bojack could have gotten out of prison and OD'd. I don't think you're supposed to watch this show and be taught anything specific
you can check out next few episodes of that season that tells you're not supposed to relate to Bojack and condemn the horrible things he did and his viewpoints
I also think the message is not to be Bojack. Not necessarily the level of awful stuff he does but rather the reasons. He’s selfish and narcissistic but in a believable way where he expects his friends to revolve their life around him simply because they’re his friends. He excuses his behavior because of the environment he grew up in, his drug abuse, or the Hollywood system he’s a part of. He feels remorse for his actions but tries to dodge their consequences and does nothing to change the behavior that lead to those actions. These are all mentalities that an average person can easily fall into, and as the audience we see how from his point of view all his actions seem to make sense. We can judge him for those actions but we can see why he did them. So I think that part of the moral is to not only see these mentalities in others but also ourselves, and while we might not go to the extremes Bojack does, we still have to avoid making decisions based on those mentalities.
Everyone in this show is morally ambiguous, that's what makes it great.
unpopular opinion: diane is in the wrong and damaged bojacks already fragile mental health
Absolutely not. Diane is not responsible for Bojacks wellbeing. Bojack was actively being harmful to Diane, specifically by breaking up Diane with her therapist. Bojack is fully responsible here, and Diane didn’t do anything wrong here. At most, it was passive aggressive and rude. All she did was make Bojack aware that she knew what happened in New Mexico. Those were his own actions. She didn’t embarrass him by telling everyone else. Either way, she’s not in the wrong.
@@dannythetwo she is spreading around extremely sensitive information and making bojack paranoid and abusing drugs more, her doing this did nothing to anyones benefit but damage bojack more
@@crankey4769 It was a preventative measure of self defence because Bojack was hurting her. She did not spread around any sensitive information. As far as the team knows, this is just Flip's story.
This was a one-to-one interaction. Bojack was not listening to Diane. She tried to communicate with him, and he wouldn't listen.
Sure, it was harsh to him, but it was only as harsh to him as his actions were unethical, because all she did was tell Bojack that she knew some of what he did.
@@crankey4769 i think like You
She's in the right morally as far as I'm concerned. Bojack needs to face consequences and accountability for what he did- anyone who does stuff he does needs to - but I think what Diane did was tactically unwise. Effective at getting to Bojack and freaking him out, but in real life (which the show is quite close to), when you have some dirt on an abusive/toxic person who you want to hold accountable, it's never a good idea to make them aware you know it until you have all your evidence and preparations and you're fully ready to make your move. What Diane did here was rash and could've put herself and even Penny and Charlotte in danger. That's the trouble with abusers who have more than one victim- other victim's stories are not yours to tell, so any attempts at exposing one means you need to worry about more safety than just your own. There's definitely a moral question there. But also, when it comes to what Bojack did, his mental health should be damaged by what he did. He shouldn't get away unscathed. Diane is not responsible for how Bojack deals with a blow to his mental health. I'm with Dannythetwo - Bojack was also hurting Diane and taking away a long standing support she needed.
After this scene, i hate her so much god damn it. This was the most idiotic move i can imagine, to do lol.
I meeaann, Bojack did deserve punishment, but that was like taking someone's pants off in public lol
diane did absolutely nothing wrong in this scene
@@pdfbanana in my opinion, there are so many different ways how to bring up if someone will do bad stuff (mainly she even didn´t knew the context). She could also bring attention to the family that was hurt just for her own satisfaction.
Lmao. It’s so funny to see people get mad at Diane in this scene because they personally wouldn’t want to feel exposed like this. Bojack got what he fucking deserved.
@@CrystalRose1111 nah, this is not the reason why i got mad in this scene. I am not saying Bojack is a good person, i am looking at this scene from different perspective.
I know that the BH fandom has this typical idea that if you don't like or agree with Diane you're a mysoginistic individual that hates women; but this was a dick move.
Not only for Bojack, even when he was vulnerable for the death of his mother, triggering his paranoia and leading to a mental breakdown where he almost kills Gina (That doesn't justifiy the incident with Penny at all).
But for Penny too, imagine being watching this, maybe she didn't for herself but maybe with some friends or to share time with her bf and then this scene happens... You can agree that Bojack deserved that paranoia and everything bad that happened to him on this season but Diane turned everything worse, this move didn't help anybody and just made things worse.
didnt like diane in this scene tbh
I really hate the pink cat so much its unreal bros
Ohhhh THIS is why people didn't like Diane-
I never liked dianne again after this scene. Idc how much she apologised or anything
Honestly I stopped liking her once she started getting meaner and meaner throughout the series, especially on season 6.
@@RealValkor you are completely right tbh
She didnt ask Penny for consent to do this. She just wanted revenge and even if Penny didn't watch the show one of her friends can tell her about the scene or goes all around websites about it and shit.
she has absolutely nothing to apologize for in this scene
Diane did nothing wrong.
I can't stand Diane