@@hellomynameisinsertnameher6210 My parents abused me and now that I'm far away they're gaslighting me and trying to say I made it all up. Anyway while I lived in their bug infested home, hungry and cold and with wet clothing (Because they turned off the dryer earlier to save electricity) my grandpa would get angry and beat whichever child was close I would ask my family to send me away.
The "Pearls are for ladies" piece is just a really poignant reminder that he also internalized his own traumatic experience, just like we're shown for the rest of the characters. Great way to give a character some implied depth without wasting time
The fact that he was so traumatic yet absent from bojacks life that bojacks own subconscience had mushed a celebrity and his dad's existence together makes me really sad.
Coming back to this is literally my dad and mom telling me still to this day that I should be grateful for the bare minimum they do and that I owe them something because I lived with them. As well as the gaslighting making bojack think this is the norm and saying how he’s treated is how it’s supposed to be and he should be grateful genuinely made me get actually flash backs through out my life. It’s actually terrifying how accurately child abuse is portrayed here and how it focuses on the verbal and demeaning side of it instead of the physicality there was a little with bojack as a kid but that was the same for me as when I was younger both my mum and dad both hit me if I went out of line as crazy as this sounds there’s a before and after picture in our photo album as I was excited in a McDonald’s for my birthday and I got hit by my dad because of it and my mum was taking pictures of me and snapped both my happy momment and also me crying after getting hit crazy I know and after that I tried not to act out of turn and instead toned it down but then as I grew older they turned away from physical stuff and resulting to verbally breaking me down just like bojack it’s eerie how accurate this show is. How gaslighting and guilt tripping are key into shaping childrens actions later in life with how bojack turned out. I’m happy to say I didn’t turn out this way and I don’t hurt the people I love such as my girlfriend but despite that I’m terrified of I’ll make the same mistakes my parents made and hurt my kids because I’ll somehow revert to what I saw because that was my norm trauma is a scary thing that will stick with you for the rest of your life you have to work hard to let it burst out and hurt the people you care about and slowly work on controlling it day by day
We got to see what traumatized Bea when she was a child, but I'm really curious about what traumatized Bojack's dad, cos like what was up with the "Pearls are for ladies" line?
I feel like his mother died when he was very young and he was raised by a very abusive male relative who would drill into him this misogynistic worldview.
Ok so I just got a theory. So his mom died right. Some way ppl will try and deal w grief is through belongings, like going through their stuff and giving it a new purpose or keeping something they owned to remind them of it. Since butterscotch acts so misogynistic I'd assume he picked it up from another misogynistic person. That could be his father. When his mom passed what may have happened is that he wanted to keep a pearl necklace or perhaps was going through her jewelry box. Maybe there was a special moment between them when she was wearing pearls. Either way his dad catches him with the pearls and that probably results in a very abusive, aggressive scolding where he says allot of misogynistic maybe even homophobic shit. When he is doing so he says "pearls are for ladies". Just a theory thought
0:18: You take a boat from here to New York. Are you gonna go round the Horn like a gentleman, or cut through the Panama Canal like some kind of Democrat? -Um, the Canal? YOU GO ROUND THE HORN, THE WAY GOD INTENDED!
that "THANK YOUUUUU?" terrified me for some reason. butterscotch really thought that his child owes him something for the bare minimum that he does as a father
It totally freaks me out. It's like, that whole time he was not actually talking to Bojack, he just wanted complain about life and his son had the misfortune of being there to be the receptor, but when it was not enough he finally acknowledged him just to be agressive. The only worst thing for little Bojack than his parents ignoring him is his parents realizing he is there to abuse.
Дело в том, что он никогда никому не дарил тепла, это не в его привычке, и когда рядом оказался его сын, он решил сделать одолжение и поделиться с ним своими мелочными мыслями, сам он не привык проводить над собой работу, он же лучше их всех, он пишет великий американский роман, он только живёт за чужой счёт на должности которую выбила ему его жена, ему все испортили жизнь, не дали стать писателем, мне бы очень хотелось чтобы показали момент, когда отец понял, что у него нет ничего за душой после краха романа, как он мечется, придавленный собственной никчемностью, не способный даже догадаться обратиться к своему сыну мне кажется, что слишком хорошо его понимаю
I have been binge watching this show and sitting here wondering how some Netflix writer managed to take me and my family and turn us into cartoon horses...
Butterscotch is one of the few characters where you never really knew what he wanted, you never knew if he cared about Bojack and you never really know anything about his past. I think that's pretty interesting..but it's definitely sad that Bojack and Butterscotch act the same and react the same in almost every situation.
Sons often pick up their traits from their fathers due to idolizing them in youth, causing them to take in the best and worst qualities of their fathers
@@nicolastracz3793 I guess it's because bojack knew so little about his father while his mother always vented about her past to him. besides I think bitters left much less of an impact on him since he seemed to be absent a lot
I love how Butterscotch's ears are always back how angry horses are, such a nice detail to really bring the untrustworthy & angry vibes to the forefront.
I think us not knowing about Butterscotch's past is just evidence of how little he ever opened up to Bojack, unlike Beatrice who would shove her trauma down his throat whenever she could, so he was almost fully aware of why Beatrice was the way she was, but not why Butterscotch was the way he was. I also just realized "scotch" is in Butterscotch's name frICK. Sweet but subtle.
The scene where Butterscotch is essentially using Bojack as a therapist in the car really hits home to me. Being the eldest or only child, you become a substitute partner and therapist for one or both of your parents a lot of the time. And it absolutely fucks you up as you get older
My mother sometimes vents to me, with my permission and encouragement, but i know she and my dad actively avoid putting me in the second class parent role that so many eldest children fall into. Im very sorry your family used you as a therapist.
Does it really? Dad always complains about my mum when we’re in the car. And when I was feeling shit dad turned it back about himself and said “to be honest I always feel like shit but do I show it? No” then I turn around and say yes you always complain in the car. Then I don’t remember what happend next but I’m pretty sure he was speechless 🤣🤣 lack of self awareness aye
I love that he spent years working on his novel and it’s just completely terrible, to the point where it has run on sentences that last for several pages
The Autumn of the Patriarch by Gabriel García Márquez is written like that, there is even a sentence that spans nine pages. It’s a masterpiece of a book.
@@rauldjvp3053 For real? It's not as bad as Lemony Snicket's filler monologues about whatever is the main topic of his books about Baudelaires. In "The End" he literally lost it.
@@worldwatcher6999 whats the hype surrounding asoue for i tried reading em so many times and i could never get past the first fifty pages it was so like. dry
It's kind of a symbol of his Ego. It's awful, actively ruining his relationships, and will never amount to anything but disappointment...but he can't let it go. His pride-fueled dream of being an intellectual literati is all he has left, otherwise he'd have to confront reality.
@@thiirdchildren Well, I think it's because the narrator is so deeply involved with the plot in a weird way that so many people like A Series of Unfortunate Events. Clearly, the fictional Lemony Snicket has some problems of his own all while narrating the story of the Baudelaire children. I actually really enjoyed reading that series from start to finish. However, I can see how some people won't like it because the narrator often rambles on about things that are seemingly unrelated to the plot. I suppose it all boils down to whether you like the author's style or not. If you don't like his style then feel free to read something else. To each their own.
God, this is the stuff that makes you understand why they opted to do this show with animals instead of people. My dad used to tell me stories of his father, and I think this is probably the closest glimpse of the kind of emotional abuse he put him through. Makes me realize how fortune I wam that my dad never turned out like Bojack when he easily could have.
My dad is a butterscotch kinds fellow. It really sucks when someone believes so heavily on their old ways of the past they can't open a new chapter and be happy with their lives. My father just always lived in past traumas, never trying to experience new things in life. It's a shame really .
Using animals also allows for a whole other level of expressiveness, with combining dialogue with the body language of actual animals, like how Butterscotch always has his ears back, the sign of an angered horse
2:07 A lot of people complain this scene goes on for way too long, but like- that’s the whole point? You are supposed to feel what Bojack is feeling. This uncomfortable feeling of hearing something you don’t deserve to hear. But while in a moving car, you can’t just get up and leave. And Bojack can’t exactly tell his father to knock it off, because knowing his father, he’d say something even more unpleasant than what he is going on about. You are supposed to feel as if you are moving through mud. Not only is it unpleasant to get through, but it’s long and takes forever, as you wonder to yourself when it’ll just end already.
Very relatable for people with shitty parents, they use the car as an opportunity to abuse/berate you while they can because you cant get away and tune it out. Later in life there were times where I just got out of the car at a red light and walked home when their abuse got really bad.
If he talked back I 100% know as a child who’s gone through this that you would then be kicked out of the car and have to find your own way home on your two legs. It didn’t matter if you didn’t know the way, so it’s easier to just shut down.
I am well aware of what he was trying to do. Anyone can see that from the clip. I'm saying that after Butterscotch hitting and berating BoJack for no reason, this is probably the most tolerable he's ever been towards his son, and even then it's only because he's trying erase all evidence of his cheating. Christ.
I would like to point out he did not get bojack drunk, he DRUGGED HIM. lil bojack took 2 swings of straight vodka, theres no way coke and whiskey knocked him out to the point of unconsciousness
I actually found it interesting that Butterscotch is actually a shitty and lazy writer. He worked a lower class job for the sake of his book despite not having actually gotten anywhere with it. When he caved and worked at the Sugarman company, he blamed becoming middle class for his writers block. And here we see that he finds all sorts of reasons on “why he can’t write” like having to pick up Bojack despite having the rest of the day. There’s also this part that I just caught now about how he had a single sentence last for pages. I think it was in Free Churro that Bojack revealed when his dad finally came out with his one book, it was ripped to shreds. It’s interesting that being forced into a middle class life or having to become a husband and father wasn’t actually in the way of his book but he’s just a shitty guy that blamed everything around him and couldn’t even take criticism.
Honestly, think about how hard this must have been for Beatrice. She loves literature, she is always reading, she loves art and tries to keep up with certain current trends. She is witty and well educated. Realizing that Butterscotch was a horrible writer in addition to everything else must have been awful for her.
I would not be so sure to think that alone was the reason his book failed, some people sometimes does not have the inspiration to express their ideas in paper as well as in their minds. The most esse tial thing for a wroter is to find the right time and moment to write, it seems he never find it and the idea that was amazing in his perspective could not be transmited in the same way to the public, so he ended up taking his frustrations on everyone else that in his mind was to blame for his inability to write. Specially Bojack since he was for sure not speaking back.
@@rosesweetcharlotte and this is why I hate hook ups after meeting one time 😂 She could've had a different future with that Goat guy. Even if she would still have some todic traits (especially with that "dont love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack" scene ) but I'm betting the Goat guy would've been there to make her a better person
@@juliahornback2843 I'd say they're both equally bad. They kind of represent different kinds of awful, Beatrice is the almost 'passionate awful' kind of like how you can get 'hot anger' and 'cold anger.' Yeah she hates Bojack, but she goes out of her way to insult him. Butterscotch on the other hand is more of a 'cold anger.' yeah he also hates Bojack, but unlike Beatrice he doesn't necessarily go out of his way to insult Bojack, it's more like a 'You came up to me/I'm being forced to interact with you so I'm going to insult you.' otherwise he ignores Bojacks, so it's like a 'cold anger.'
The part where they’re in a car, that was so realistic to the point of it being funny. My dad would blabber on, and I would just sit there like that. Then after talking so badly about my mom, he’d go on sympathizing like “she’s doing the best she can.” Meanwhile, me not saying a word.
A few episodes made no attempt to be funny, and a few others required a pretty dark sense of humor to laugh at. If you have real life experiences like some of the ones on this show, they can be painful and haunting to watch.
My father too. Plus the swirving, and honking. And that, Thank You! If I'm quiet long enough, he may shut up and leave me be, but most times he demands to know why I'm not answering him.
*“Pearls are for ladies, Bojack. Pearls are for ladies.”* Did Butterscotch want pearls at one point but his dad scolded him for it? Is there a cycle of domestic abuse we don’t know about?
Notice how as Bojack got older, he stopped talking back to his parents when they were bullying him? He spoke back to his father when he gave him the card, earning him a slap. He learned that they continued to berate him until they were tired, so he just shuts down and tries to distract himself with the window in order to minimise the pain he feels. That's how a lot of abused children cope with their parents. They stay silent and keep acting as their parent's verbal punching bag until they are tired enough to leave them alone. Stay quiet and hope that they get bored of hurting you. This show gets scarily real sometimes, a cartoon about anthropomorphic animals is realer than most
This is kind of a scary analysis for me because this scene here happened so often during my childhood and my father was like this more or less. I never thought about it in the way you wrote it because he drove me everywhere and I normalized it.
You can also learn to be quiet because if they abuse you for literally doing nothing then you can prove to yourself that you can literally do nothing and they will still get angry. Kind of the only sense of "I'm not wrong here, its them not me" type of closure you'll ever get. That was depressing to type lmfao
Do you mean responding back because talking back means like he disrespected them and he did nothing to disrespect them when he turned into a grown man yeah he started disrespecting them but as a kid no so be specific dude people like you piss me off they take things the easy way
@@kingfish-sp9oe some parents its still talking back I literally was blinking my family SWORE I was rolling my eyes at them and I got slapped no reason. And if you don't respond or talk back its liable I said ok to something "I AM SO SICK OF YOUR ATTITUDE" that's just plain asshole
The scene where Butterscotch gets child BoJack drunk to blackmail him into not telling Beatrice about his cheating is next level disgusting. The manipulation and gaslighting... I hate that scene and I hate Butterscotch for doing that. I feel like he never grew up, he was a perpetual narcissistic child.
@@juliahornback2843 I'm not sure I'd want to know. Butterscotch didn't appear to have any redeeming qualities. He thought he deserved literary success despite no apparent talent or commitment. He stumbled his way into a cushy life, but was too stubborn to enjoy it. He constantly screwed up, but took zero responsibility for any of his slovenly behavior. The one time he shows his son any kindness, it's cloaked in deception and manipulation.
What's even worse is that Butterscotch was so scared that he felt the necessity to blackmail Bojack, when actually Bojack was so afraid of both of his parents that if Butterscotch would have just told Bojack to stay quiet he would've obeyed. That's how messed up they got Bojack and how worse they could be as not only parents, but individuals.
I think the fact that Will Arnett voices both Bojack and Butterscotch says alot. Because, even though Bojack is definetly nicer than Butterscotch, they're not THAT different at the end of the day.
Honestly the only thing Bojack has on his father is more self awareness of how shitty he is, which is enough for moments of kindness before he goes back to using and hurting people.
The play 'A Doll's House' by Ibsen that Butterscotch mentioned Beatrice had seen and that gave her ideas, is about a woman who realises that all her life she's been treated like a doll - first by her father and then by her husband. Both men have no regard for her desires or needs, she is trapped by the expectations of society that lay out who she has to be. Desperate for control over her own life, she leaves her husband and kids. This is really interesting when you look at Beatrice's upbringing and relationship with Butterscotch. Also, she later comments that 'Horsing Around' "wasn't Ibsen", hurting BoJack's feelings.
And A Doll’s House was written by Henrik Ibsen, considered one of the great dramatists. Beatrice’s insult when she sees Horsin’ Around? “Well, it wasn’t Ibsen.” A comment Bojack echoes in the very first episode. This fucking show 😍
I honestly wish we got to see Butterscotch’s backstory. The way he described “singing songs like my daddy was my mommy while gazing longingly at a tangled string of pearls” and “Pearls are for ladies.” made it sound like he learned a lesson like that the hard way.
If what he said was partially true his mother died when he was young and he was raised by his father. Perhaps when he was young his dad beat him severely for playing with his mother’s jewelry (her pearls). When asked why his dad might’ve justified it by saying he didn’t want his son being seen as “queer” and he did it because he didn’t want him getting any weird ideas. “Pearls are for ladies”.
@@Treeeee2008absolutely. I have a dad that would during my younger years constantly tell me stories about how awful his father was and that he sold his toys and stole his money for booze. But when i got my license and had this reaaaaaally nice oldtimer. (I was so proud of it. An old OpelBKadett Rallye. Completely original) He just outright sold it when i wasnt at home, kept the money to himself and told me i should be grateful for the fact that they provide me with food. yeah. thanks dad...i guess.
Personal theory; Butterscotch's mom died when he was young. Maybe his father wore his mother's clothes as a coping mechanism. Word possibly got out. Butterscotch was bullied for having a "queer dad," so he created this Hard Badboy personality that was 100% heterosexual and manly and in NO WAY queer. Just a thought...
Copypasting a main comment, but i think i at least got a good idea on his motivations: He's weirdly obsessed with becoming a writer, and before his silly, accidental death, he likely had the briefest moment of what he was after his entire life: validation. The one guy that said his book sucked, actually read it. And that was important enough for him to focus on, that he died by tripping on a fucking rock. And since it took him too long to write the damn thing, he likely was afraid of failure. With Bojack, he could at least blame his wife for his existence. We barely got to see how he felt about Hollyhock in the end. But that book? He could never live with himself if it was his fault it'd flop. Until he tried one day. I just think it would have been cool to see that from him. But I guess it is simpler than Beatrice when we think about it. But i do wonder why he wanted to write in the first place? And all that aside, his obviously brutish undertones and abuse to Bojack had to have also stemmed from something. Perhaps he was raised by a family that wouldnt even look at him unless he ammounted to something. Maybe thats why he tried to pick up some high class lady at that ball. To marry and woo her, and to have Bojack to inherit a fortune. But that failed, and was it his fault? No, he tells himself, its all Bea's fault, and the nothing of a child he got dragged into making him the father. But that book he'll perfect, THATS his ticket to being a Somebody. Because despite how other people fuck his life up, he says to himself, this book will be all in HIS making. And it will be perfect, so nobody better screw it up.
I can’t help but want to protect the younger Bojack. He grows up to do horrible things and hurt people but this version of him is still innocent and just wants genuine affection.
Alot of religion people actually believe this. I mean ALOT OF THEM. Ask my zealously religious mother whose just as bad if not WORSE then Butterscotch.
2:18 gave me very very uncomfortable flashbacks. My stepdad was like that. Never hit me or anything just so damn toxic. You don’t talk to kids about that kind of shit. During every rant I felt like I was being held prisoner in that station wagon.
That scene gave me horrible memories of being 11 years old and on the way to gymnastics class, and Dad bawling to me the whole ride there about how he is considering leaving home because "it's obvious that YOU don't give a damn about me, it's obvious that your MOTHER doesn't give a damn about me, you treat me like a PIECE OF CRAP," etc, and talking about how "One day you may wake up and find out that I'm not there, and then you and your mother can finally get what you wanted." I wasn't quiet like Bojack so I was sitting there trying to tell him I DO care about him, I didn't KNOW I was treating him like crap and I'm not TRYING to, I started crying and begging him not to leave and trying to tell him I loved him. I remember telling him "I DO love you!" only for him to go, "Yeah, well, I don't believe you. I just do not believe you." Again, I was 11. He dropped me off at gymnastics class and I was begging him to stay and watch me. He yanked his arm away, went, "Just LEAVE ME ALONE" and slammed the door as he went out...
Remember, people, children aren’t your friends or therapists. Don’t give the child a job before they can even process what’s going on. Goodness that’s horrible.
My stepdad did the same thing to me. Constantly saying horrible things about my mom to us and complaining non stop. Couldn't say a word because then your life would be hell
It took me a moment to realize that in the moment where Bojack and His Dad are driving home from soccer practice that Beatrice went to see a /dollhouse/ with her friends. One of Beatrice’s most traumatzing memories is her dolly being burned by Joseph Sugarman, her father. She wasn't crying in the bedroom for attention, she was crying over the memories, feelings, and trauma she endured. If Butterscotch had the gaul to attempt anything that wasn't selfish, he would've consoled her.
@@lagopusvulpuz1571Im honestly glad for you that you dont understand it. But i can explain that to you. A doll can serve as a kids vent. Simliar to animals. It just cant betray you, or hurt your feelings so its the only thing you dont have to consider potentially dangerous. Its just there for you whenever you need it. Its the same for me and my Cat. I sadly live in an horrible househould and when my cat got a little bit sick a month ago i completely lost it and cried for the whole night over the fear of loosing her. Its the only positive thing i could ever associate with my parents house. Im a grown ass man and usually emotionally dead...but damn. Even the thought of loosing my beloved cat let me loose it completely. Dolls are even superior in the way as they cant "betray you" by dying. tldr: You dont want to loose the only source of trust and reliability in your life
@@lagopusvulpuz1571youve never owned a sentimental item before? something that meant a lot to you, or that comforted you, made you feel better, meant anything? one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. a little girl’s doll is not a dumb toy to her. just bc it is to you does not mean it doesnt hold significance.
@@lagopusvulpuz1571 Good for you, honestly. It means you're still untainted by the knowledge of the evil in this world. But destroying a child's favorite toy is one of the most effective ways of breaking their psyche. They bond with and get attached to it like they would another person, especially if they're living in isolation.
It is funny how many “Butterscotch type parents” will never even watch or know about this show and realize the damage they do to their children... Edit: I didn't realize how relateable this comment was, it is sad to know that tho...
@@Outlaw7263 that's not quite true. Your "true self" generally speaking is a pattern of thoughts, behaviors and habits, and those patterns can change, otherwise we'd all be screaming wailing narcissistic babies. It's not easy though, and the older you are the more difficult it is to change
Honestly, those types of parents will just see this as another Family Guy or American Dad and just write it off as crap, which is honestly a reasonable thought for a good bit of the first season.
What cuts me about the Horseman's is how...smart and funny they all are. Its watching so much potential for light, levity, and warmth but the spiraling sadness and cycles of abuse suck it all all up. It eats it like a dark vacuum
It's true. Bojack's parents might have their faults, but they are intelligent and quick witted. They very well could have lived happy lives, but their own demons got the better of them.
Right? Beatrice and her mother were both very talented performer's who's enthusiasm was cut short due to the trauma of loosing a family memeber and everything that spiraled out from that. Butterscotch had a lot more potential as a writer, but saw art as an inherently feminine thing, so was never able to truely able to tap into his potential as an artist because he was so blinded by his manhood. By the time someone from the family actually made it as an artist, he was so normalized to abuse that his inability to grow as a person ruined what impact his art would have had.
This is the same dude who said "the girl went and got herself pregnant" 💀 Maybe it's just me but he makes Beatrice look like a role model in comparison I'd rather suffer a Beatrice type of parent than a Butterscotch
@@remyhavoc4463 so, youd rather have mommy issues then daddy issues? butterscotch and beatrice are classic and kinda stereotypical showings of abusive moms and dads
I know at the end of the day Bojack is responsible for his own actions, but you can't help but also blame his parents for their endless abuse towards him his entire childhood. If you're familiar with psychology and sociology, lots of research suggests that we are very much the products of our environment. When the only parental figures you ever knew were Butterscotch and Beatrice Horseman, can you really blame Bojack for turning out the way he did?
I see your point, especially as someone majoring in psychology. However, Bojack did reach a point where he realized he was toxic and hurting others. But for a long time he refused to make effective change to himself despite that awareness, and continued to hurt others and himself until his actions caught up with him and the people he was friends with stepped away. Yes it makes sense Bojack turned out the way he did, but he recognized his evils and from that point forward every person has the capability to choose change whether or not they decide to.
@@nicolasnamed like in the episode "Stupid piece of sh*t" where Bojack constantly catastrophizes everything and criticizes every action he makes. When the episode starts, Bojack defends himself by saying that he knows he's a piece of sh*t so that makes him better than the pieces of sh*t who don't know they're pieces of sh*t. But in reality, that makes him worse.
Yeah but if you have a friend like Diane, PC or even Todd, or even especially a sister like Hollyhock, wouldn't you want to change? He certainly did but just thought it was too late :( Hollyhock was definitely the reason why we got Bojack at his most redeemed (the face of depression ep) That's why it's so sad that Hollyhock was the one person who Bojack never talked to or see in the final episode
Butterscotch probably had it worse than her, coming from a working class family, get screwed over by society over and over again through his life, it’s sad to say that the majority of stuff he says is absolutely true
@@brianwynne2352 Coming from a working class background myself, I don't think what he's saying is necessarily true (or if it is, I at least don't think he's saying it to be nice). My guess is that Butterscotch had an abusive family himself, but believed that's just what parents do to prepare their children for the world, and his attitudes as a working class horse who believes himself to have creative talent equal to Kerouac and Ginsburg but had to marry the upper middle class Sugarman heir and take her father's job offer to have wealth is one of entitlement -- he believes that because he suffered as a child, he is owed better, and that debt is not yet paid. He told BoJack not to depend on anyone, but in his actions and in the rest of what he said, he is passing on the message that the world is unfair and he is owed better. He's the root of the entitled attitude that swallows BoJack up when he gets older and gets reinforced with his celebrity.
Rachel Fox to be fair tho I think he does deserve something, just by the way he speaks in the few times we see him he is clearly more intelligent then every other character on the show and with that intelligence he’s able to see what a shit life he has and how society doesn’t care how smart or talented I are, after all mr peanut butter is very successful even though he’s an absolute moron, and Diane who’s a terrible person gets a happier life than he or his son ever did, proving him right in that the world is unfair and u can’t count on anyone to help u fix that, he tried to fight it and lost, bojack tried to fight it and gave up, it’s really tragic how things turn out for both of them
@@brianwynne2352 Can I say something, as someone who's also considered smart? Intelligence doesn't entitle you to anything. It really doesn't. Whatever you think about the characters of Mr Peanutbutter and Diane aside (and I don't agree), they have skills and goals, and they worked hard at what they do to get what they have. One worked much harder than the other, sure, but in all things, including career, love and their goals and expectations, whatever luck they had, they still put in the work. The world doesn't reward you just for existing as a smart person, and it shouldn't. I worked hard to get to where I am from where I started out, but does the world owe me anything? Fuck no. I'm in a place I rent using the internet I pay for with money I earned, and not just by being smart, but by being a hard worker who built a reputation as a good, agreeable employee. I am not owed a life better than the one I have now, and if I get anything better, it will be by the grace of my hard work and the opportunities others choose to give me. And they will not have owed me anything. No one owes you. You'll do well to divest yourself of that illusion now.
I remember being 15 and telling my siblings that they couldn't rely on their parents to look after them. Because I was trying to look after them, and I knew it wouldn't be enough. My words were true, but it's a different kind of resonance to hear myself in Butterscotch...
The difference is that you were a child trying to step up to the plate and protect them, not use it as a way to excuse you being a piece of shit. Butterscotch said that in order to reject responsibility, you said it to *take* responsibility. It's amazing how different the exact same sentence can be when said by a different person in an only slightly different context.
I have never seen a better representative for a dysfunctional father than this show with talking horses. Down to the long unresponded obsessive ranting, the telling you have it lucky, the belittling, and the constant demand of thanks
2:50 I love the detail that Butterscotch (who thinks very highly of his own writing) wrote a run-on sentence that went for pages and was proud of it. It just further shows his lack of self awareness and liking to hear himself talk
I always thought his failure as a writer is a major reason he and Bea couldn't get along. Bea is an educated woman who loves to read. She is very witty with words and keeps up with art trends. Had Butterscotch actually presented her with a competent piece of work and engaged her as an equal, she may have been a tad bit more forgiving.
Not necessarily a run-on sentence, assuming it's properly punctuated, but most likely garbage, as we're given to understand Butterscotch is a terrible writer.
@@afonsosousa2684 I suppose. I just assumed he made grammatical errors in there somewhere on the first draft. He's the worst and I'm not giving him any credit lol
Oh, that part made sense to me - Butterscotch mentions Kerouac and Ginsberg when he meets Beatrice, and I always had him pegged as one of those On-the-Road-idolizing fanboys who whack it to the Beats.
I realise the scene where Bojack wakes up after drinking the whiskey could just be because Butterscotch got him drunk, but it's scary to think his dad drugged his drink, and begs the question as to what Butterscotch is doing with those kinds of drugs in the first place?
It's unlikely that he would have that kind of reaction after drinking one cup of alcohol so he probably was drugged, I think Butterscotch just did that to manipulate him into keeping quiet about his affair.
4:20 the fact that Bojack could handle his father's rant, but the moment he starts going on about women and Beatrice and tries to open up to Bojack is when Bojack can't look him in the eyes
He's used to Butterscotch being hostile and dismissive and so he braces himself everytime he has to interact with him, but he either doesnt want or doesn't know how to react whenever he's actually trying to say something nice. He likely knows thats not the way parents should treat their children even at that age and looks away so Butterscotch cant see he sees right through his bullshit and go off on him being "ungrateful"
@@PixelatedPeach "did you get it? Do you get my joke? Do I have to explain it?" "It goes on for another page" "Should I send him back to tell him I get it?"
Neither of them should’ve ever been parents, and Butterscotch knew that. That’s the only moment in the show where either of them acknowledge the effort the other begrudgingly puts in.
I think he felt guilty because it's actually his fault she is the way she is. She gave up everything for him, and he ruined her so, he does actually feel guilty but he's just a shitty being
That car scene really got to me. My dad rambled like that, talking to me about adult problems I shouldn't be able to understand and basically telling me "life is hell you only escape when you die- if you're lucky". Only when he was drunk, though, which was often, on top of the verbal abuse. But one thing I can say about my Dad: He wasn't Butterscotch. My dad had his flaws, but I'm truly grateful for him. The bad moments like these honestly were really rare (and growing rarer, since he stopped drinking and started taking medication), and I know he loves me, and always has. My Dad stayed when my deadbeat POS mom left. My dad worked 2-3 jobs just to make sure me and my sister never went without, *and* had everything we wanted, on top of that. My dad learned how to cook to feed us good, homemade meals. My dad woke up early to make us breakfast and get us ready for school when we were too young to do it ourselves. And my dad never, ever hit me or insulted me directly. And on top of it all: My dad was not his own dad. My grandfather was way worse. Is my dad perfect? No. Never was. But he most certainly wasn't Butterscotch.
Honestly your dad doesn’t sound bad at all. Just like he didn’t know how to correctly warn children about life. Kids need to know, young, but it’s a matter of how you tell them.
I like how Bojack and Butterscoch’s voice sound so similar, referencing Bojack’s fear of becoming like his father. Nice call from the director. Edit: I was wrong, stop liking this. It’s biology not some obscure art. Edit: Maybe I was wrong twice. The tragedy could be in the inevitably of his biology.
They’re pretty much the same person sadly. Narcissistic, cynical, unable to take accountability for anything, verbally abusive, and they had a penchant for having sexual relationships with women with whom there was a power imbalance. Also the alcoholism.
"Pearls are for ladies" Yeah the writers absolutely had a backstory planned for him and that line definitely had significance why he's the way he is. How many times have lines come back and just mean some shit? Like, "BoJack Kills" and then Sarah Lynn overdosing on heroin named Bojack. Just because Bojack called her to go on a drug binge when she went sober
There were definitely plot lines planned that ended up having to be dropped since the show ended earlier than they planned. It felt like there was more they were going to do with Mr. Peanutbutter especially. The Halloween episode showed how he never grew or changed over time just like Bojack and his relationship with Pickles probably would have ended up being a wake-up call at some point, but they just broke up and that was the end of that. Such a shame we didn't get to see the characters grow (or regress) more, especially since I'm curious how they would have done a COVID parody like they did with the 2016 election in Season 4.
@@megaultrasonic That would've been pretty cool. I do always end up imagining what this show would've evolved into if it hadn't been cut off at its sixth season. Who knows, maybe in the future we'll see this show briefly return. After the last couple seasons, I would honestly love to see this show return in the form of a theatrical film.
@@NerdMiGerd I hope it comes back too. The creator of this show said that they originally had 8-9 seasons planned, and if they were allowed to keep going they had plans for what they would have done afterwards too. Even if their original story got cut short, a revival based on whatever their after story was going to be would be awesome.
yeah damn netflix is shitty af... tuca and bertie got picked up by adultswim after it was canceled, but since bojack had closure i dont think we will be seeing more of it
I felt like they were going to do more with mr. Peanutbutter because we never really saw change with him. Because in the last episode he abandoned Bojack during the wedding and didnt see how he changed and he told the Audience how he just didnt feel like needing a relationship bc he was trying to figure himself out
I really wish we got to know more about Butterscotch's past like we did with Beatrice. That "pearls are for ladies" line hints at something deep within him.
My theory is that butterscotch was never meant to make a book about war but instead could of been better at fantasy or fiction. I think butterscotch was told long ago that pearls are for ladies because he was a more creative and expressive with his emotions, and was heavily look down on by all the men around him. I'm guessing butterscotch came from a family where all the men were masculine. He comes from the early 19's where men were hold to a pedestals after all. He still wanted to be a writer so as he got older he started to push those creative ideas away and instead focus on being more realistic and non fiction genres. To be honest I think that's why he was a "bad writer" because he didn't know how exactly to write out a war. I believe anytime he thought of something that could be creative toake the story more interesting, the "pearl are for ladies" line would echo in his head and he would just scratche out whatever creative thought he had and replace it with something more "realistic". Hell even that time when he thought of that sentence that kept going for pages and pages and pages was him going back to his roots but realized "pearls are for ladies" and needed a distraction, which was of course his idiot son having the tv too long. It's no wonder why he spend a majority of his 30-40 years of his life writing on one single book, he didn't know wtf he was exactly writing on. Or it was just a line and there was no hard hitting deep meaning that could cause the planet to spilt in two, like how in the exact same episode with the coffee mug segment. But that's my "head cannon" to that line. If you read all that, thanks.
@@angel_exe24 So maybe Diane at the end of her character arc did what Butterscotch couldn't (throw away his pride to) do. Just write something he could and not be afraid of criticism instead of wasting time rotting in obscurity pretending to be approaching his impossible dream one excuse at a time. HMMM.
I can totaly relate with the car scene. I'am still glad, my father was very nice, compared to someone like Butterscotch. But they were many moments, when sudenly , and out of nowhere, he made me the victim of his anger and frustration, and he stardet to blame and insult me, for things I wasn't responsible for.
Yeah that scene kinda resonated with me. My dads a good person but it made realize that he has no way of venting his feelings other than putting it all on someone at once I always feel bad because my dad tries to hide these emotions in front of everyone.
3:05 I always wondered why Butterscotch even bothered picking up Bojack in the first place. At first I thought it was just because he felt obligated to since Beatrice was holed up in the room. Like trying to make himself more of “the victim” by doing something below the husband status. But he seems to have some awareness of Bojack as a person. Even realizing that Bojack wasn’t home and that he would be too meek to try and walk home himself. Since he was obedient enough to wait for god knows how long for one of his parents to arrive. I assume other parents probably offered to drive him but he declined. So perhaps he felt a bit bad for Bojack being left behind? I feel like Butterscotch tries to be the hero and do things the gentleman’s way because that’s who he wants to be. But in the end he just isn’t that type of person and thus suffers through his own failures.
I think its like how Bojack use to treat Todd. He'll emotionally and verbally attack and abuse him but he knows he has to say or do that one nice thing once in a while to keep control of/ make him seem wanted/ needed by the other. Just like when Bojack built Todd and his rock Opera up, only to sabotage him at the end. It was all to make himself feel good/ important. Bojack is an accessory to Butterscotch just like Todd was an accessory to Bojack.
or he's just doing it to avoid writing and trying to make this an excuse not to write. at 3:39 "you know, Sundays are my writing day. Sundays are the one day that are just for me and my craft. and still, you and the black hole that birthed to you conspired to ruin it for me! what am I supposed to do now? just go back to writing? I'm out of the zone now! the whole day's shut. all because of you and that brittle wisp of a woman you made a mistake of making your mother."
I just rewatched the show. In the penultimate episode "The view from halfway down" Bojack amalgamated Secretariat and Butterscotch, his two father-figures, into one person. He said: "...Speaking as your father, I want you to know that I cared. ... You think I didn't care because I put up walls. But I cared so much, Bojack. About you. About your mother. I wanted you to respect me. I wanted you to love me. I was so afraid that you might know that. I cared so much." Of course, that took place inside Bojacks head in his near-death experience, so you can interpret it how you want. It would be either what Bojack wishes his father would have told him or what Bojack subconsciously actually believes about his fathers motivations, but did not want to admit to himself, because he never was ready to forgive his father. I suggest it is the second one since in the entire episode nothing happens the way Bojack wants. We do not have many scenes depicting Butterscotch, but Bojack lived his entire life with him. So I go with Bojacks subconscious character judgement.
i like how butterscotches early scenes all have a more comical tone (such as the line "that's some shoddy craftsmenship son" with trombone music in the background) but each scene becomes more depressing and real than the last. it's the perfect demostration of how the show itself has evolved.
It's weird how Butterscotch has these tiny moments where he realizes he's a total dick, but immediately goes back to being one. "No, no... it's not her fault. She's doing the best she can. Sometimes, we need to realize that yourself is the only person you can depend on." That was actually weirdly wise for him.
Is it though? His lesson in that story was "you can't depend on women" and they "are controlled by emotion". Not only that but he teaches his son that he can't rely on anyone, not even seeing the irony that he's also talking about himself. Him and Beatrice are arguably the ones that bojack is supposed to be able to MOST rely on
Just that moment shows he knows what he’s doing is bad. Remember how in (spoilers for season 6) Bojack’s dream state, Secretariat/His Dad said he cared and loved him? I really do think he did. He had signs he was a good person, just with terrible habits. Like the show said... there are no good or bad people. Just people who do bad or good things.
@@thetwistedsamurai that makes sense. It's been a while since I saw it so I might need a rewatch but idk i think that Bojack's dad was pretty fucked up... I'm not sure if he did care and love for him especially since wasn't it Secretariat who was the stand in for his dad?
Okay, so it's obviously terrible he was cheating on his wife, but the implication is that he drugged Bojack to keep quiet, right? Why did he have roofies??? Ugh, I knew he was bad but I don't like the implication of that.
He didn't have roofies, I think that was just a lot of alcohol. he then blacks out and pukes on the carpet, leading to butterscotch having him keep the whole night under wraps for fear of his mother
When Butterscotch said the "pearls are for queers" it sounded like something his own parents might have beaten into his head. I imagine when he was a kid he might have been interested in his mother's pearls and his father caught him and gave him hell cuz pearls are for ladies and queers and now he is bitter about it, telling the same to his own son
Guys this is so sad. This kids life is so dysfunctional because of his parents. They don't care enough to even try to get their shit together for this kid. Atleast they give it to him straight though.
I think that butterscotch was treated as a child the same as how he treated bojack, it would explain why bojack would act similar to him later on in his life, maybe if bojack did actually have a child he would treat them as he was and make an endless loop of shitty parenting and childhood trauma
Actually when he's under the impression that Hollyhock is his daughter even thought at first he's not necessarily warm to the idea, he treats her wayy better than how Butterscotch treated Bojack as a kid by a long shot.
@@zoeyj.7032 True but he also never had to take care of her like his parents did. So is not exactly a fair comparison, since maybe of butterscotch or beatrice would have meet bojack later in their lives as a grown up, they could have not treated him so harshly since in their mind he did not ruin their lives.
It makes me reevaluate one of my favorite scenes in the show, actually. That whole dream sequence Bojack has about a life with Charlotte and their daughter. Its really sweet and all, but could we really expect him to be a good father with the example he had growing up? Because as sad as it is.. I could really see him ranting in a car to his young daughter about how he could have been a great star if it wasnt for Charlotte holding him back
Butterscotch had honestly the best “FU” from life itself. He truly believed himself to be destined writing the great book about the struggling life of the working class and to be forever remember. And what happens? His book is shit, he dies in the most hilarious way possible, few people were obligated to go to his funeral, and his son becomes famous than he’ll ever be. Part of me hopes that he realizes the latter. His son, despite all the abuse he gave, became more memorable than he ever was. And it eats him inside. At the end “fuck you dad”
In Free Churro episode, he did mentioned the details of his death and how absurd it was. And final fu moment to Butterscotch was "I didn't read his book, nor will i do it, because why I would give him that?"
You know ironicaly dispite all of his abuse and condescending Behavior. Bojack was still better than Butterscotch. he did what his father can never and became famous and talented artists
Being better than your abusive father is the bare minimum. It's not something to be overly proud of, honestly, because you can always make excuses and get lazy with the progress you're making
I don't really think being famous makes Bojack better. I mean have you seen the things Bojack has done throughout the show. He's pretty much like his father.
@@justsomelochnessmonsterony8265 I dont think he ever got as bad as butterscotch. he had his affairs, but he never cheated on PC when they dated. he knew he didn't like commitment and mostly avoided it. yes, he lashed out at the people around him often, but all through out the show he fights to be better, and eventually achieves that. the show is really about his struggle to find happiness and something worth living for, and also finding a way to heal from the trauma from his childhood and a way to be a better person. he often tries it on his own without therapy and it never lasts. he takes up running, he leaves Holly woo to new Mexico (which doesn't work because he thinks he can get with his old friend but doesn't and he spirals from that) I think part of bojacks story was that he wanted to be better, but simply didn't know how. when abuse is all you know, how do you break that cycle. he eventually learns. but its apparent that it's a lifelong battle that won't end until he dies, and he needs to be careful. he was doing good until cancel culture came for him. I think its a matter of him leaving Holly woo for good, finding a career he's happy with, cutting out partying and drugs and alchohol out, and staying away from certain people people environments that continue to bring him down, and continuing therapy for the rest of his life. I think the show is about his struggle to find a way to be better. abuse is a cycle for a reason, and it's not an easily broken one. It's possible, but it's hard.
You gotta stop thinking of parents as different from people in general. They are, after all, just random people who decided to have kids. And people can be huge fucking assholes.
What’s truly sad is that there are parents even worse than BoJack’s out there. Imagine parents that actually sexually abuse their own children. There is true fucking evil in this world.
It's poignant that, "Free Churro" begins with the car monologue from Butterscotch with the young Bojack not actively listening, but still witnessing his father's utter disdain for his wife as well as his all-around misogyny. The rest of the episode is the funeral monologue from Bojack, also ranting about Beatrice. Bojack's definitely not the same or nearly as bad as his father, but it's clear he still internalized a lot of his delusions and dysfunctions because of the male role model he had. They share a tendency to complain endlessly, to view themselves as eternal victims, a lack of true understanding for women, and a general sense of self-centered self-loathing.
hate to agree with the mass and say that my parents' relationship is exactly like Bojack's parents, except for the cheating. It's not something "good" or "quirky", the show itself does it best to explain it. If you've grown up or if you're growing up in an atmosphere like this one it is more likely that you're gonna be insecure and more for the rest of your life and it is no good to joke about thid stuff or to nearly glorify it. A kid should never be exposed to these type of life traits and it's painfully gross that this still has to be pointed out
@@batsy2488 no, it isn't in the show like i said. But *some* (and i mean like a few,maybe 4 or so) people feel like it's okay to glorify it or to say sumn like "god i wish that was me". That was my point lol
My parents were crap, so when he has the audacity to just growl out "thaaaaannnnnk yoooouuuu" I couldn't help but laugh. Like, damn dude, just... The fuck are you even doing? Lol
The fact that he got bojack drunk to cover up and make bojack feel bad about his dads affair..and saying “I think your mom would be disappointed in you..” is a straight up manipulation tactic..making it seem like they both messed up is so heartbreaking.. The amount of emotional abuse and gaslighting is unbelievable..it really comes to light in bojack later in life it looks like..considering his poor choices and constant need for substances..
That's the scariest part. It's like you don't want to piss your dad off more and then he freaks out on you with unnecessary anger coming out of his mouth...it makes you feel worse than normal. It feels like you did a crime than a real crime. So heartbreaking.
I dislike how similar Butterscotch and my father are, and the car ride was too relatable to my liking. You just sit there and listen to them to the point you just stare off into space like auto pilot mood until they start yelling at you.
The most disgusting thing about Beatrice and Butterscotch's hatred of each other is just how disingenuous it is. They both are just irreparably mad at themselves for not being the people they thought they were when the two got married. Despite all the trauma, Beatrice was never a good wife or mother. Despite being a perpetual loser and underdog, Butterscotch was never an intellectual or good writer. So it was back and forth yelling at each other because neither of them are the kinds of strong individuals that can look inwards and be introspective. *And then Bojack was born.* That's the part that's disgusting to me. Despite all the arguing and bitterness both of them found it within themselves to independently of the other utterly hate and despise their child. Butterscotch and Beatrice *NEVER* have the rare half-conscious pang of empathy for Bojack that they occasionally had for each other. No, they had this kid and both decided to be fucking abhorrent to him for no reason. They couldn't just be miserable by themselves, no. They had to have a child and ruin his life too. Genuinely garbage people, they really do deserve each other.
It's scary after realizing Bojack had flinched for his first drink as a toddler but was obviously used to it when his dad roofied him.. If he was a good father which the show obviously didn't want to intend he would've noticed, I fucking love this show man.
I think no one really just is, nor good or bad, there is always a reason for someones behaviour, sadly we sometimes never know the reasons and the why that person acted like that, will be a mistery
@@naonaga4260 well unfortunately some people are born with certain severe neurological disorders and or illnesses... some people are born to do bad things. No amount of therapy or correctional programs can "fix" some people.... And even then there are people that walk amongst us every day who have problems like this but may never get any help or "corrections" simply because a lot of them adapt and society is vast. A lot of people pretend to be good people or even fool themselves into thinking they are. Some people use the excuse of religion or culture or politics... But ultimately at the end of the day some people literally just do things to serve their own needs like a starving animal.
He only hints about his past when he rambles on and repeats "pearls are for ladies" probably hinting some abusive or traumatic experience that happens to be maternal with implications of toxic masculinity that are probably paternal or absence of either or
@Jaybriel Rosales how...can you honestly believe that someone being born with a different brain means they were "born to do bad things"? even psychopaths, people born with the empathy part of their brain inactive due to no fault of their own, are able to be decent human beings that do only as much harm as the rest of us do to each other. nobody. *NOBODY.* is born to do bad things. yeah, some of us, myself included, won't ever be able to live up to the standards of what general society considers Good, simply because the electricity and chemicals in our brains fire a certain way that falls outside of the Acceptable way that non-sentient chemicals are Allowed to fire, but that doesn't mean we're bad. neutral? selfish? sure. but not bad. nobody is born to do bad. nobody is fated to be bad or evil. some of us are fated to lack, but not to be bad.
@@dirtburger2773 my statement wasnt entirely literal and even then I'm oversimplifying a complicated topic. i don't truly believe that being "born to do bad" exists in absolute. truth or not i don't want it to be true. I'm not sure how to articulate what i mean anyways.
2:13 - I had WAY too many of these moments with my father, where I'd be too young to understand his cynicism, but I knew how uncomfortable it was. He'd complain about my Mom's side of the family, how I needed to be more of a man and join the Army like he did, how my best friend Andrew was burning in Hell after committing suicide. But the most painful moment was when I was 15. We were on our way to a birthday dinner, Dad asked what I wanted to be, and I told him I wanted to be an actor. He snickered, and I will never forget what he said and how much it stunned me into silence for the rest of the day: "You're not good looking enough to be an actor, you'll end up playing perverts or killers like that guy on Armageddon, and that's all you'll ever be." He was talking about Steve Buscemi -- an accomplished actor/director/former NY fireman -- but Dad only ever saw him as the "pervert from Armageddon". I didn't speak to him for the rest of the day, and he didn't pick up on it, or even ask if I was okay....that was the day I began hating myself....that was the same year I willingly took drugs and alcohol to numb the pain. I NEVER forgot that, and of course, he doesn't remember it when I bring it up. But it was one of the most painful things I'd ever heard....and I had WAY too many moments, trapped in a truck -- wishing I could jump out....and he wasn't even a drunk. Just a broken, lonely man, who didn't know how to be a father because his own parents weren't emotionally available. I'm content to leave him alone, in his house -- JUST the way he clearly always wanted, and I will do everything in my power to avoid being like him. If I ever have children, I will love them unconditionally and guide them without hurting their self esteem or abusing them....or making them feel ashamed for being born. TL;DR - That scene set off my PTSD
Good on you for putting a stop to the cycle and trying to end the generational trauma. That takes strength and self awareness that many don’t have, including your father.
That's always how it is isn't it? The horrible fucked up things they said to us they never remember. I hope you find a good life....far away from them.
@@dakinglotusbvkxunity4009Thank you for your kindness. It's sad but....I've gotten a LOT done due to spite and rage. Sadly, he put that in me. And now he's alone, and he can stay that way.
3:59 Oh god this look. This look that Bojack gives his dad when he finally shows just a hint of humility. It's that moment where you think it's going to be like in the movies. This is where they realize they should do better, this is where they realize they have to make changes. This is the moment that they will finally change. And then they don't.
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There is a point where boarding school is a kindness.
Or child protective services...
I used to beg my parents to send me away.
I would of loved boarding school
Rose Strife14 wait wtf?
@@hellomynameisinsertnameher6210 My parents abused me and now that I'm far away they're gaslighting me and trying to say I made it all up.
Anyway while I lived in their bug infested home, hungry and cold and with wet clothing (Because they turned off the dryer earlier to save electricity) my grandpa would get angry and beat whichever child was close I would ask my family to send me away.
The "Pearls are for ladies" piece is just a really poignant reminder that he also internalized his own traumatic experience, just like we're shown for the rest of the characters. Great way to give a character some implied depth without wasting time
“You can’t depend anyone, sooner or later you need to learn no one will take care of you.” -Butterscotch Horseman
The fact that he was so traumatic yet absent from bojacks life that bojacks own subconscience had mushed a celebrity and his dad's existence together makes me really sad.
Coming back to this is literally my dad and mom telling me still to this day that I should be grateful for the bare minimum they do and that I owe them something because I lived with them. As well as the gaslighting making bojack think this is the norm and saying how he’s treated is how it’s supposed to be and he should be grateful genuinely made me get actually flash backs through out my life. It’s actually terrifying how accurately child abuse is portrayed here and how it focuses on the verbal and demeaning side of it instead of the physicality there was a little with bojack as a kid but that was the same for me as when I was younger both my mum and dad both hit me if I went out of line as crazy as this sounds there’s a before and after picture in our photo album as I was excited in a McDonald’s for my birthday and I got hit by my dad because of it and my mum was taking pictures of me and snapped both my happy momment and also me crying after getting hit crazy I know and after that I tried not to act out of turn and instead toned it down but then as I grew older they turned away from physical stuff and resulting to verbally breaking me down just like bojack it’s eerie how accurate this show is. How gaslighting and guilt tripping are key into shaping childrens actions later in life with how bojack turned out. I’m happy to say I didn’t turn out this way and I don’t hurt the people I love such as my girlfriend but despite that I’m terrified of I’ll make the same mistakes my parents made and hurt my kids because I’ll somehow revert to what I saw because that was my norm trauma is a scary thing that will stick with you for the rest of your life you have to work hard to let it burst out and hurt the people you care about and slowly work on controlling it day by day
We got to see what traumatized Bea when she was a child, but I'm really curious about what traumatized Bojack's dad, cos like what was up with the "Pearls are for ladies" line?
probably his Mother's death
I feel like his mother died when he was very young and he was raised by a very abusive male relative who would drill into him this misogynistic worldview.
Ok so I just got a theory. So his mom died right. Some way ppl will try and deal w grief is through belongings, like going through their stuff and giving it a new purpose or keeping something they owned to remind them of it. Since butterscotch acts so misogynistic I'd assume he picked it up from another misogynistic person. That could be his father. When his mom passed what may have happened is that he wanted to keep a pearl necklace or perhaps was going through her jewelry box. Maybe there was a special moment between them when she was wearing pearls. Either way his dad catches him with the pearls and that probably results in a very abusive, aggressive scolding where he says allot of misogynistic maybe even homophobic shit. When he is doing so he says "pearls are for ladies". Just a theory thought
Bojacks mom is the voice actor of Eda and I'm suprised know one mentioned it.
0:18: You take a boat from here to New York. Are you gonna go round the Horn like a gentleman, or cut through the Panama Canal like some kind of Democrat?
-Um, the Canal?
YOU GO ROUND THE HORN, THE WAY GOD INTENDED!
the random slowmos took me out 😭
Bojack rly deserved so much beter
Wow I didn't expect that whole car event to be a big chunk of this video but God that was... so hard to sit through
You know something is very messed up when Bojacks parents look good compared to your own. :(
“Coax it out of my sheath”
Nope. Goodbye. I’m done.
that "THANK YOUUUUU?" terrified me for some reason. butterscotch really thought that his child owes him something for the bare minimum that he does as a father
That moment right there is what reminds me most of my father... I'm trying not to become him everyday.
he didnt even reach the bare minimum with all that abuse
It totally freaks me out. It's like, that whole time he was not actually talking to Bojack, he just wanted complain about life and his son had the misfortune of being there to be the receptor, but when it was not enough he finally acknowledged him just to be agressive. The only worst thing for little Bojack than his parents ignoring him is his parents realizing he is there to abuse.
That is ESPECIALLY terrifying for me cus it unlocked my childhood trauma. My dad used to shout like that. It's scary af. They REALLY hit the spot.
Дело в том, что он никогда никому не дарил тепла, это не в его привычке, и когда рядом оказался его сын, он решил сделать одолжение и поделиться с ним своими мелочными мыслями, сам он не привык проводить над собой работу, он же лучше их всех, он пишет великий американский роман, он только живёт за чужой счёт на должности которую выбила ему его жена, ему все испортили жизнь, не дали стать писателем, мне бы очень хотелось чтобы показали момент, когда отец понял, что у него нет ничего за душой после краха романа, как он мечется, придавленный собственной никчемностью, не способный даже догадаться обратиться к своему сыну мне кажется, что слишком хорошо его понимаю
I should sue the show for showing my dad without permission
Matt Igreja is there a reason your father was like this? Not as an excuse. Just wondering what formed a person like this.
that hurt
@@tmaxim2651 not sure bud... maybe the way he was raised
Matt Igreja toxic families make more toxic families I guess. I hope you can break the cycle friend.
I have been binge watching this show and sitting here wondering how some Netflix writer managed to take me and my family and turn us into cartoon horses...
Butterscotch is one of the few characters where you never really knew what he wanted, you never knew if he cared about Bojack and you never really know anything about his past. I think that's pretty interesting..but it's definitely sad that Bojack and Butterscotch act the same and react the same in almost every situation.
Sons often pick up their traits from their fathers due to idolizing them in youth, causing them to take in the best and worst qualities of their fathers
Imo they just never really bothered to flesh him out like they did Beatrice
Huge missed opportunity
Maybe they couldn't come up with a story for him that wasn't just "Bojack's childhood, but older times."
@@nicolastracz3793 I guess it's because bojack knew so little about his father while his mother always vented about her past to him. besides I think bitters left much less of an impact on him since he seemed to be absent a lot
@@juliahornback2843 true, true.
I love how Butterscotch's ears are always back how angry horses are, such a nice detail to really bring the untrustworthy & angry vibes to the forefront.
Wow, that’s actually a cool detail
Not something I see a lot with anthropomorphic characters.
Im a sucker for accurate body language in anthro animals, so i deeply appreciate that little detail
Just like how BoJack's ears turn out to be when he gets older
Shes a mare lmao
His parents only appreciate each other when they realise they both blame bojack for their miserable lives. How sad is that?
ikr they could have put him up for adoption and then parted ways since it was the 60s and that would have been the only other option
@SlitWristMisfit shit bro I'm sorry. hope you didn't turn out like bojack
@SlitWristMisfit I'm so sorry you had to go through that...
Screw your parents!
@ceine ain't mine lol
My mom and grandmother do that to me
I think us not knowing about Butterscotch's past is just evidence of how little he ever opened up to Bojack, unlike Beatrice who would shove her trauma down his throat whenever she could, so he was almost fully aware of why Beatrice was the way she was, but not why Butterscotch was the way he was. I also just realized "scotch" is in Butterscotch's name frICK. Sweet but subtle.
never thought of that
His kind of neglect is what's considered an inherited abuse, so he acts the way he does because one or both of his folks treated him in kind.
@@joshuagross3151 probably his dad, since his mother is deceased
@@juliahornback2843 And thus the cycle continues.
i agree
The scene where Butterscotch is essentially using Bojack as a therapist in the car really hits home to me. Being the eldest or only child, you become a substitute partner and therapist for one or both of your parents a lot of the time. And it absolutely fucks you up as you get older
My mother sometimes vents to me, with my permission and encouragement, but i know she and my dad actively avoid putting me in the second class parent role that so many eldest children fall into. Im very sorry your family used you as a therapist.
I know
Does it really? Dad always complains about my mum when we’re in the car. And when I was feeling shit dad turned it back about himself and said “to be honest I always feel like shit but do I show it? No” then I turn around and say yes you always complain in the car. Then I don’t remember what happend next but I’m pretty sure he was speechless 🤣🤣 lack of self awareness aye
Sadly my mom has been doing this to me since childhood. And to make it worse I was the eldest child and had to act like parent to my younger siblings.
I’m the youngest. That was me with my mother.
I love that he spent years working on his novel and it’s just completely terrible, to the point where it has run on sentences that last for several pages
The Autumn of the Patriarch by Gabriel García Márquez is written like that, there is even a sentence that spans nine pages. It’s a masterpiece of a book.
@@rauldjvp3053
For real?
It's not as bad as Lemony Snicket's filler monologues about whatever is the main topic of his books about Baudelaires.
In "The End" he literally lost it.
@@worldwatcher6999 whats the hype surrounding asoue for i tried reading em so many times and i could never get past the first fifty pages it was so like. dry
It's kind of a symbol of his Ego. It's awful, actively ruining his relationships, and will never amount to anything but disappointment...but he can't let it go. His pride-fueled dream of being an intellectual literati is all he has left, otherwise he'd have to confront reality.
@@thiirdchildren Well, I think it's because the narrator is so deeply involved with the plot in a weird way that so many people like A Series of Unfortunate Events. Clearly, the fictional Lemony Snicket has some problems of his own all while narrating the story of the Baudelaire children. I actually really enjoyed reading that series from start to finish. However, I can see how some people won't like it because the narrator often rambles on about things that are seemingly unrelated to the plot. I suppose it all boils down to whether you like the author's style or not. If you don't like his style then feel free to read something else. To each their own.
God, this is the stuff that makes you understand why they opted to do this show with animals instead of people. My dad used to tell me stories of his father, and I think this is probably the closest glimpse of the kind of emotional abuse he put him through. Makes me realize how fortune I wam that my dad never turned out like Bojack when he easily could have.
Worst thing about butterscotch is that he has sex with clothes on
I guess it would be too sad with humans
My dad is a butterscotch kinds fellow. It really sucks when someone believes so heavily on their old ways of the past they can't open a new chapter and be happy with their lives. My father just always lived in past traumas, never trying to experience new things in life. It's a shame really .
@@prixe12 and this show’s already sad enough
Using animals also allows for a whole other level of expressiveness, with combining dialogue with the body language of actual animals, like how Butterscotch always has his ears back, the sign of an angered horse
2:07
A lot of people complain this scene goes on for way too long, but like- that’s the whole point?
You are supposed to feel what Bojack is feeling. This uncomfortable feeling of hearing something you don’t deserve to hear. But while in a moving car, you can’t just get up and leave. And Bojack can’t exactly tell his father to knock it off, because knowing his father, he’d say something even more unpleasant than what he is going on about.
You are supposed to feel as if you are moving through mud. Not only is it unpleasant to get through, but it’s long and takes forever, as you wonder to yourself when it’ll just end already.
I didnt know people complained I thought it was perfect
I just found it relatable
Very relatable for people with shitty parents, they use the car as an opportunity to abuse/berate you while they can because you cant get away and tune it out. Later in life there were times where I just got out of the car at a red light and walked home when their abuse got really bad.
Wasn't that episode Free Churro?
If it is, then its definitely not too long 😂
If he talked back I 100% know as a child who’s gone through this that you would then be kicked out of the car and have to find your own way home on your two legs. It didn’t matter if you didn’t know the way, so it’s easier to just shut down.
0:59 It's pretty sad that the only times Butterscotch is ever "nice" to his son is when he's trying to keep his attention away from something else
he wasn’t even being nice he was just getting him drunk
He was trying to get him drunk so he would forget about what he saw
Austin is thicc emo potato and then blackmails him
I am well aware of what he was trying to do. Anyone can see that from the clip. I'm saying that after Butterscotch hitting and berating BoJack for no reason, this is probably the most tolerable he's ever been towards his son, and even then it's only because he's trying erase all evidence of his cheating. Christ.
I would like to point out he did not get bojack drunk, he DRUGGED HIM. lil bojack took 2 swings of straight vodka, theres no way coke and whiskey knocked him out to the point of unconsciousness
Manipulating Bojack to keep the affair quiet by getting him drunk is horrifying.
Well, Butterscotch was horrifying
yea I'm not sure why he cares whether or not bojack tells his mom
@@juliahornback2843 cause it might jeopardize his career
Seen you on a lot of Bojack videos
It was just one of the many wrongs in whole story.
I actually found it interesting that Butterscotch is actually a shitty and lazy writer. He worked a lower class job for the sake of his book despite not having actually gotten anywhere with it. When he caved and worked at the Sugarman company, he blamed becoming middle class for his writers block. And here we see that he finds all sorts of reasons on “why he can’t write” like having to pick up Bojack despite having the rest of the day.
There’s also this part that I just caught now about how he had a single sentence last for pages. I think it was in Free Churro that Bojack revealed when his dad finally came out with his one book, it was ripped to shreds.
It’s interesting that being forced into a middle class life or having to become a husband and father wasn’t actually in the way of his book but he’s just a shitty guy that blamed everything around him and couldn’t even take criticism.
Honestly, think about how hard this must have been for Beatrice. She loves literature, she is always reading, she loves art and tries to keep up with certain current trends. She is witty and well educated.
Realizing that Butterscotch was a horrible writer in addition to everything else must have been awful for her.
@@rosesweetcharlotte that's such a good point, I didn't even think of that!
I would not be so sure to think that alone was the reason his book failed, some people sometimes does not have the inspiration to express their ideas in paper as well as in their minds. The most esse tial thing for a wroter is to find the right time and moment to write, it seems he never find it and the idea that was amazing in his perspective could not be transmited in the same way to the public, so he ended up taking his frustrations on everyone else that in his mind was to blame for his inability to write.
Specially Bojack since he was for sure not speaking back.
@@rosesweetcharlotte and this is why I hate hook ups after meeting one time 😂
She could've had a different future with that Goat guy. Even if she would still have some todic traits (especially with that "dont love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack" scene ) but I'm betting the Goat guy would've been there to make her a better person
@@naonaga4260 what you said could also be tied up to " he's a shitty writer" 😂
The most impressive thing Butterscotch Horseman accomplished was making Beatrice look like a better parent by comparison.
Beatrice was worse imo
And there's probably some other horrible horse out there that brought Butterscotch into this world, and would make him look good.
@@juliahornback2843 I'd say they're both equally bad. They kind of represent different kinds of awful, Beatrice is the almost 'passionate awful' kind of like how you can get 'hot anger' and 'cold anger.' Yeah she hates Bojack, but she goes out of her way to insult him. Butterscotch on the other hand is more of a 'cold anger.' yeah he also hates Bojack, but unlike Beatrice he doesn't necessarily go out of his way to insult Bojack, it's more like a 'You came up to me/I'm being forced to interact with you so I'm going to insult you.' otherwise he ignores Bojacks, so it's like a 'cold anger.'
@@bluebird1914 couldn’t agree more.
@@juliahornback2843 i mean she took care of Bajack's basic needs and was at least acknowledging him existance until his dad
The part where they’re in a car, that was so realistic to the point of it being funny. My dad would blabber on, and I would just sit there like that. Then after talking so badly about my mom, he’d go on sympathizing like “she’s doing the best she can.” Meanwhile, me not saying a word.
A few episodes made no attempt to be funny, and a few others required a pretty dark sense of humor to laugh at. If you have real life experiences like some of the ones on this show, they can be painful and haunting to watch.
My father too. Plus the swirving, and honking. And that, Thank You! If I'm quiet long enough, he may shut up and leave me be, but most times he demands to know why I'm not answering him.
It’s fucking hilarious to me. I dunno why but it just makes me laugh.
mine too, but with way more yelling
my dad does the same thing that butterscotch does. i’m actually sort of realizing they’re really similar.
*“Pearls are for ladies, Bojack. Pearls are for ladies.”* Did Butterscotch want pearls at one point but his dad scolded him for it? Is there a cycle of domestic abuse we don’t know about?
abuse usually cycles throughout generations
Id imagine it was similar to what happened to Beatrice
Maybe when butterscotch was young he was confused and when his dad suspected that he abused him.
I also thought that the first time I saw that scene
If I remember correctly wasn't there this old stereotype that men wearing pearls at one point meant that they were gay
Notice how as Bojack got older, he stopped talking back to his parents when they were bullying him? He spoke back to his father when he gave him the card, earning him a slap. He learned that they continued to berate him until they were tired, so he just shuts down and tries to distract himself with the window in order to minimise the pain he feels. That's how a lot of abused children cope with their parents. They stay silent and keep acting as their parent's verbal punching bag until they are tired enough to leave them alone. Stay quiet and hope that they get bored of hurting you. This show gets scarily real sometimes, a cartoon about anthropomorphic animals is realer than most
This is kind of a scary analysis for me because this scene here happened so often during my childhood and my father was like this more or less. I never thought about it in the way you wrote it because he drove me everywhere and I normalized it.
You can also learn to be quiet because if they abuse you for literally doing nothing then you can prove to yourself that you can literally do nothing and they will still get angry. Kind of the only sense of "I'm not wrong here, its them not me" type of closure you'll ever get. That was depressing to type lmfao
I would got hit either way no matter what in my face with anything
Do you mean responding back because talking back means like he disrespected them and he did nothing to disrespect them when he turned into a grown man yeah he started disrespecting them but as a kid no so be specific dude people like you piss me off they take things the easy way
@@kingfish-sp9oe some parents its still talking back I literally was blinking my family SWORE I was rolling my eyes at them and I got slapped no reason. And if you don't respond or talk back its liable I said ok to something "I AM SO SICK OF YOUR ATTITUDE" that's just plain asshole
The scene where Butterscotch gets child BoJack drunk to blackmail him into not telling Beatrice about his cheating is next level disgusting. The manipulation and gaslighting... I hate that scene and I hate Butterscotch for doing that. I feel like he never grew up, he was a perpetual narcissistic child.
it would have been cool to know what he was like as a child
@@juliahornback2843 I'm not sure I'd want to know. Butterscotch didn't appear to have any redeeming qualities. He thought he deserved literary success despite no apparent talent or commitment. He stumbled his way into a cushy life, but was too stubborn to enjoy it. He constantly screwed up, but took zero responsibility for any of his slovenly behavior. The one time he shows his son any kindness, it's cloaked in deception and manipulation.
What's even worse is that Butterscotch was so scared that he felt the necessity to blackmail Bojack, when actually Bojack was so afraid of both of his parents that if Butterscotch would have just told Bojack to stay quiet he would've obeyed. That's how messed up they got Bojack and how worse they could be as not only parents, but individuals.
@@danielmunoz1275 also doesn't Beatrice already know??
@@juliahornback2843 Yes, Beatrice knew it. (The scene where she tosses Butterscotch breakfast on the table)
I think the fact that Will Arnett voices both Bojack and Butterscotch says alot. Because, even though Bojack is definetly nicer than Butterscotch, they're not THAT different at the end of the day.
@arielariaspetzoldt3943 don't forget Vlad from Horton hears a Who and that prehistoric vulture from Ice Age 2
Honestly the only thing Bojack has on his father is more self awareness of how shitty he is, which is enough for moments of kindness before he goes back to using and hurting people.
@@samuelstensgaard4828That plus I don’t think Bojack would ever hit a child
It's like how John Chancer voiced both Joxter and Snufkin in Moomin, but the show never outright said they were father and son.
@@ashh641he did strangle his girlfriend though
The play 'A Doll's House' by Ibsen that Butterscotch mentioned Beatrice had seen and that gave her ideas, is about a woman who realises that all her life she's been treated like a doll - first by her father and then by her husband. Both men have no regard for her desires or needs, she is trapped by the expectations of society that lay out who she has to be. Desperate for control over her own life, she leaves her husband and kids.
This is really interesting when you look at Beatrice's upbringing and relationship with Butterscotch. Also, she later comments that 'Horsing Around' "wasn't Ibsen", hurting BoJack's feelings.
WOW!!! Thank you for this insight, I love that she mentions it later. Amazing writing on this show as always
@@AvitalShtap I'm glad you found it helpful. You're right- the writing is just incredible!
And A Doll’s House was written by Henrik Ibsen, considered one of the great dramatists. Beatrice’s insult when she sees Horsin’ Around? “Well, it wasn’t Ibsen.” A comment Bojack echoes in the very first episode. This fucking show 😍
So A Doll’s House ends with her going out for a pack of cigarettes 🚬?
Cool
Bojack's dad picking him from soccer practice and ranting obsessively during the car ride is one of the best scenes of this show.
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry
I related so hard
Yeah felt so real
Yeah, and sadly to some, including me, it was relatable.
"I learnt you cant rely on others when I made my own sandwich."
I honestly wish we got to see Butterscotch’s backstory. The way he described “singing songs like my daddy was my mommy while gazing longingly at a tangled string of pearls” and “Pearls are for ladies.” made it sound like he learned a lesson like that the hard way.
Domestic abuse often cycles through a family...
If what he said was partially true his mother died when he was young and he was raised by his father. Perhaps when he was young his dad beat him severely for playing with his mother’s jewelry (her pearls). When asked why his dad might’ve justified it by saying he didn’t want his son being seen as “queer” and he did it because he didn’t want him getting any weird ideas. “Pearls are for ladies”.
@@Treeeee2008absolutely. I have a dad that would during my younger years constantly tell me stories about how awful his father was and that he sold his toys and stole his money for booze.
But when i got my license and had this reaaaaaally nice oldtimer. (I was so proud of it. An old OpelBKadett Rallye. Completely original) He just outright sold it when i wasnt at home, kept the money to himself and told me i should be grateful for the fact that they provide me with food.
yeah. thanks dad...i guess.
Personal theory; Butterscotch's mom died when he was young. Maybe his father wore his mother's clothes as a coping mechanism. Word possibly got out. Butterscotch was bullied for having a "queer dad," so he created this Hard Badboy personality that was 100% heterosexual and manly and in NO WAY queer.
Just a thought...
Copypasting a main comment, but i think i at least got a good idea on his motivations:
He's weirdly obsessed with becoming a writer, and before his silly, accidental death, he likely had the briefest moment of what he was after his entire life: validation.
The one guy that said his book sucked, actually read it. And that was important enough for him to focus on, that he died by tripping on a fucking rock.
And since it took him too long to write the damn thing, he likely was afraid of failure. With Bojack, he could at least blame his wife for his existence. We barely got to see how he felt about Hollyhock in the end.
But that book? He could never live with himself if it was his fault it'd flop. Until he tried one day.
I just think it would have been cool to see that from him. But I guess it is simpler than Beatrice when we think about it. But i do wonder why he wanted to write in the first place?
And all that aside, his obviously brutish undertones and abuse to Bojack had to have also stemmed from something.
Perhaps he was raised by a family that wouldnt even look at him unless he ammounted to something.
Maybe thats why he tried to pick up some high class lady at that ball. To marry and woo her, and to have Bojack to inherit a fortune.
But that failed, and was it his fault? No, he tells himself, its all Bea's fault, and the nothing of a child he got dragged into making him the father.
But that book he'll perfect, THATS his ticket to being a Somebody. Because despite how other people fuck his life up, he says to himself, this book will be all in HIS making. And it will be perfect, so nobody better screw it up.
Bojack sitting in the car quiet while his dad complains and complains is the biggest mood
Yeah... it makes me think of my dad
Reminds me of my dad.
I have a hunch it would turn out bad, even if Bojack said "thank you".
It's nice and shitty to find so many can relate 😂😅
Makes me think of my mom
"You're actually very lucky"
....the gaslighting.
@@theconmantube3449 it’s used correctly?
@@fortuneokay he just can't stand to see people use what they learn
@@theconmantube3449 that's literally what it is bruh
I hate gaslighting. XC
The girl of the creepypasta "Amandaishere-jpg" photo killed herself after being bullied. Share this, because they are making a Joke out of her suicide
I can’t help but want to protect the younger Bojack. He grows up to do horrible things and hurt people but this version of him is still innocent and just wants genuine affection.
Makes you wish you could save that little horse boy
“You made the mistake of making your mother.” Yeah, because he definitely had control of that.
I hate this.
That’s kinda the point
Do you understand how jokes work?
Alot of religion people actually believe this. I mean ALOT OF THEM.
Ask my zealously religious mother whose just as bad if not WORSE then Butterscotch.
@@BlueEyesWhiteDragonStan I find it hard to believe that someone would actually believe that.
2:18 gave me very very uncomfortable flashbacks. My stepdad was like that. Never hit me or anything just so damn toxic. You don’t talk to kids about that kind of shit. During every rant I felt like I was being held prisoner in that station wagon.
That scene gave me horrible memories of being 11 years old and on the way to gymnastics class, and Dad bawling to me the whole ride there about how he is considering leaving home because "it's obvious that YOU don't give a damn about me, it's obvious that your MOTHER doesn't give a damn about me, you treat me like a PIECE OF CRAP," etc, and talking about how "One day you may wake up and find out that I'm not there, and then you and your mother can finally get what you wanted." I wasn't quiet like Bojack so I was sitting there trying to tell him I DO care about him, I didn't KNOW I was treating him like crap and I'm not TRYING to, I started crying and begging him not to leave and trying to tell him I loved him. I remember telling him "I DO love you!" only for him to go, "Yeah, well, I don't believe you. I just do not believe you." Again, I was 11. He dropped me off at gymnastics class and I was begging him to stay and watch me. He yanked his arm away, went, "Just LEAVE ME ALONE" and slammed the door as he went out...
@@QueenStarNova my mom used to do this to ma as a kid
same except it’s still happening for me lol. I hate going places alone with him bc I’m worried he’ll start venting for like an hour lmao
Remember, people, children aren’t your friends or therapists. Don’t give the child a job before they can even process what’s going on.
Goodness that’s horrible.
My stepdad did the same thing to me. Constantly saying horrible things about my mom to us and complaining non stop. Couldn't say a word because then your life would be hell
It took me a moment to realize that in the moment where Bojack and His Dad are driving home from soccer practice that Beatrice went to see a /dollhouse/ with her friends. One of Beatrice’s most traumatzing memories is her dolly being burned by Joseph Sugarman, her father. She wasn't crying in the bedroom for attention, she was crying over the memories, feelings, and trauma she endured. If Butterscotch had the gaul to attempt anything that wasn't selfish, he would've consoled her.
Also the play A Dollhouse is about a woman with a shitty husband who feels trapped -- she probably saw herself in the protagonist
I still don't see how a dumb toy can be "traumatizing", between all the stuff she went through.
@@lagopusvulpuz1571Im honestly glad for you that you dont understand it.
But i can explain that to you. A doll can serve as a kids vent. Simliar to animals. It just cant betray you, or hurt your feelings so its the only thing you dont have to consider potentially dangerous. Its just there for you whenever you need it.
Its the same for me and my Cat. I sadly live in an horrible househould and when my cat got a little bit sick a month ago i completely lost it and cried for the whole night over the fear of loosing her. Its the only positive thing i could ever associate with my parents house. Im a grown ass man and usually emotionally dead...but damn. Even the thought of loosing my beloved cat let me loose it completely.
Dolls are even superior in the way as they cant "betray you" by dying.
tldr: You dont want to loose the only source of trust and reliability in your life
@@lagopusvulpuz1571youve never owned a sentimental item before? something that meant a lot to you, or that comforted you, made you feel better, meant anything? one man’s trash is another man’s treasure. a little girl’s doll is not a dumb toy to her. just bc it is to you does not mean it doesnt hold significance.
@@lagopusvulpuz1571 Good for you, honestly. It means you're still untainted by the knowledge of the evil in this world. But destroying a child's favorite toy is one of the most effective ways of breaking their psyche. They bond with and get attached to it like they would another person, especially if they're living in isolation.
It is funny how many “Butterscotch type parents” will never even watch or know about this show and realize the damage they do to their children...
Edit: I didn't realize how relateable this comment was, it is sad to know that tho...
Even if they watched the show they'd likely learn nothing from it
People never change, they just learn to hide their true selves better
@@Outlaw7263 that's not quite true. Your "true self" generally speaking is a pattern of thoughts, behaviors and habits, and those patterns can change, otherwise we'd all be screaming wailing narcissistic babies. It's not easy though, and the older you are the more difficult it is to change
They would learn nothing even if they watch the show.
Honestly, those types of parents will just see this as another Family Guy or American Dad and just write it off as crap, which is honestly a reasonable thought for a good bit of the first season.
"Immaginary friends were invented by communists" best sentence ever
Trust me, communists aren’t creative enough to come up with something like that, they’d just bogart someone else’s idea.
What cuts me about the Horseman's is how...smart and funny they all are. Its watching so much potential for light, levity, and warmth but the spiraling sadness and cycles of abuse suck it all all up. It eats it like a dark vacuum
It's true.
Bojack's parents might have their faults, but they are intelligent and quick witted. They very well could have lived happy lives, but their own demons got the better of them.
True.
His mother was smart and all though Scotch was a jackass I’m guessing he had his pros
Right? Beatrice and her mother were both very talented performer's who's enthusiasm was cut short due to the trauma of loosing a family memeber and everything that spiraled out from that. Butterscotch had a lot more potential as a writer, but saw art as an inherently feminine thing, so was never able to truely able to tap into his potential as an artist because he was so blinded by his manhood.
By the time someone from the family actually made it as an artist, he was so normalized to abuse that his inability to grow as a person ruined what impact his art would have had.
3:54
The fact he blamed Bojack for having Beatrice as his mother... then says it isn’t her fault, still pinning it on him... that’s disgusting
This is the same dude who said "the girl went and got herself pregnant" 💀
Maybe it's just me but he makes Beatrice look like a role model in comparison
I'd rather suffer a Beatrice type of parent than a Butterscotch
@@remyhavoc4463 so, youd rather have mommy issues then daddy issues? butterscotch and beatrice are classic and kinda stereotypical showings of abusive moms and dads
@@turqussy I'd rather not suffer any of em but yeah I'd rather suffer Beatrice. I would not be able to hold myself from beating up Butterscotch 😂
It's better to not have a father than have this kind of father.
Sorry but name twin
@@toricallie7943 but Victoria is an insanely popular name?
@@subwayterry2550 not where I'm from
@@toricallie7943 It's popular globally
@@sobgray like I said, not where I'm from
I know at the end of the day Bojack is responsible for his own actions, but you can't help but also blame his parents for their endless abuse towards him his entire childhood. If you're familiar with psychology and sociology, lots of research suggests that we are very much the products of our environment. When the only parental figures you ever knew were Butterscotch and Beatrice Horseman, can you really blame Bojack for turning out the way he did?
I see your point, especially as someone majoring in psychology. However, Bojack did reach a point where he realized he was toxic and hurting others. But for a long time he refused to make effective change to himself despite that awareness, and continued to hurt others and himself until his actions caught up with him and the people he was friends with stepped away.
Yes it makes sense Bojack turned out the way he did, but he recognized his evils and from that point forward every person has the capability to choose change whether or not they decide to.
@@nicolasnamed like in the episode "Stupid piece of sh*t" where Bojack constantly catastrophizes everything and criticizes every action he makes. When the episode starts, Bojack defends himself by saying that he knows he's a piece of sh*t so that makes him better than the pieces of sh*t who don't know they're pieces of sh*t. But in reality, that makes him worse.
Yeah but if you have a friend like Diane, PC or even Todd, or even especially a sister like Hollyhock, wouldn't you want to change?
He certainly did but just thought it was too late :(
Hollyhock was definitely the reason why we got Bojack at his most redeemed (the face of depression ep)
That's why it's so sad that Hollyhock was the one person who Bojack never talked to or see in the final episode
We know why Beatrice is the way she is because of her childhood, and I wish we could've seen Butterscotch's childhood as well.
Butterscotch probably had it worse than her, coming from a working class family, get screwed over by society over and over again through his life, it’s sad to say that the majority of stuff he says is absolutely true
@@brianwynne2352 Coming from a working class background myself, I don't think what he's saying is necessarily true (or if it is, I at least don't think he's saying it to be nice). My guess is that Butterscotch had an abusive family himself, but believed that's just what parents do to prepare their children for the world, and his attitudes as a working class horse who believes himself to have creative talent equal to Kerouac and Ginsburg but had to marry the upper middle class Sugarman heir and take her father's job offer to have wealth is one of entitlement -- he believes that because he suffered as a child, he is owed better, and that debt is not yet paid. He told BoJack not to depend on anyone, but in his actions and in the rest of what he said, he is passing on the message that the world is unfair and he is owed better. He's the root of the entitled attitude that swallows BoJack up when he gets older and gets reinforced with his celebrity.
Rachel Fox to be fair tho I think he does deserve something, just by the way he speaks in the few times we see him he is clearly more intelligent then every other character on the show and with that intelligence he’s able to see what a shit life he has and how society doesn’t care how smart or talented I are, after all mr peanut butter is very successful even though he’s an absolute moron, and Diane who’s a terrible person gets a happier life than he or his son ever did, proving him right in that the world is unfair and u can’t count on anyone to help u fix that, he tried to fight it and lost, bojack tried to fight it and gave up, it’s really tragic how things turn out for both of them
@@brianwynne2352 Can I say something, as someone who's also considered smart? Intelligence doesn't entitle you to anything. It really doesn't. Whatever you think about the characters of Mr Peanutbutter and Diane aside (and I don't agree), they have skills and goals, and they worked hard at what they do to get what they have. One worked much harder than the other, sure, but in all things, including career, love and their goals and expectations, whatever luck they had, they still put in the work. The world doesn't reward you just for existing as a smart person, and it shouldn't. I worked hard to get to where I am from where I started out, but does the world owe me anything? Fuck no. I'm in a place I rent using the internet I pay for with money I earned, and not just by being smart, but by being a hard worker who built a reputation as a good, agreeable employee. I am not owed a life better than the one I have now, and if I get anything better, it will be by the grace of my hard work and the opportunities others choose to give me. And they will not have owed me anything. No one owes you. You'll do well to divest yourself of that illusion now.
@@rachelfox8108 I mean, depending on when he grew up, being working class still probably sucked in America.
THAAAANKK YOOOOOUUU?!?!?
I laughed at that part !
@@scindy0707 yeah, a nervous laugh because it's too depressingly relatable
@@jamesmiller2521 yeah the drawn-out thank you was a favorite of my own mother's
Bojack would have been yelled at whether or not he said "thank you".
Gave me flashbacks...
young bojack was so cute lmfao I want to pet him
I want to give little Bojack a very big rainbow swirl lollipop
I want to take little Bojack to a soccer game and pat his back while telling him how proud of him i am 😭
I remember being 15 and telling my siblings that they couldn't rely on their parents to look after them. Because I was trying to look after them, and I knew it wouldn't be enough. My words were true, but it's a different kind of resonance to hear myself in Butterscotch...
The hell happened to you?
U good bro
What wait why couldn’t they rely on their parents???
@@bubbles4897 Sometimes you have to raise yourself
The difference is that you were a child trying to step up to the plate and protect them, not use it as a way to excuse you being a piece of shit. Butterscotch said that in order to reject responsibility, you said it to *take* responsibility. It's amazing how different the exact same sentence can be when said by a different person in an only slightly different context.
I have never seen a better representative for a dysfunctional father than this show with talking horses. Down to the long unresponded obsessive ranting, the telling you have it lucky, the belittling, and the constant demand of thanks
His definitely just like my dad except for the part he’s talking to his own son
Ouch
well how do you know what your dad is like then?
@@juliahornback2843 Because he's like that but not to him
@@joshandre7091 oh I thought he was saying his dad was absent
Sorry man... hope you have a good rest of your life!
2:50 I love the detail that Butterscotch (who thinks very highly of his own writing) wrote a run-on sentence that went for pages and was proud of it. It just further shows his lack of self awareness and liking to hear himself talk
I always thought his failure as a writer is a major reason he and Bea couldn't get along. Bea is an educated woman who loves to read. She is very witty with words and keeps up with art trends. Had Butterscotch actually presented her with a competent piece of work and engaged her as an equal, she may have been a tad bit more forgiving.
@@rosesweetcharlotte And Butterscotch probably knows that
Not necessarily a run-on sentence, assuming it's properly punctuated, but most likely garbage, as we're given to understand Butterscotch is a terrible writer.
@@afonsosousa2684 I suppose. I just assumed he made grammatical errors in there somewhere on the first draft. He's the worst and I'm not giving him any credit lol
Oh, that part made sense to me - Butterscotch mentions Kerouac and Ginsberg when he meets Beatrice, and I always had him pegged as one of those On-the-Road-idolizing fanboys who whack it to the Beats.
I realise the scene where Bojack wakes up after drinking the whiskey could just be because Butterscotch got him drunk, but it's scary to think his dad drugged his drink, and begs the question as to what Butterscotch is doing with those kinds of drugs in the first place?
And just how quickly he decides to use this method to get rid of Bojack. Plus, what did he do in that office while Bojack was drunk and throwing up?
It's unlikely that he would have that kind of reaction after drinking one cup of alcohol so he probably was drugged, I think Butterscotch just did that to manipulate him into keeping quiet about his affair.
Dude made a sandwich.
What a legend.
lol
4:20 the fact that Bojack could handle his father's rant, but the moment he starts going on about women and Beatrice and tries to open up to Bojack is when Bojack can't look him in the eyes
haha 420
@@NANABOUQUET dude
@@NANABOUQUET Haha I laughed at that sadly
He's used to Butterscotch being hostile and dismissive and so he braces himself everytime he has to interact with him, but he either doesnt want or doesn't know how to react whenever he's actually trying to say something nice. He likely knows thats not the way parents should treat their children even at that age and looks away so Butterscotch cant see he sees right through his bullshit and go off on him being "ungrateful"
he was manipulating bojack
What a great father. Bojack was so privileged to have such loving parents in such a stable relationship
lmao "stable"
cause they're horses...
@@PixelatedPeach "did you get it? Do you get my joke? Do I have to explain it?"
"It goes on for another page"
"Should I send him back to tell him I get it?"
This is true in an alternate universe.
@@remyhavoc4463someone mad?
It's bad how surprising it was to hear butterscotch say "No.. it's not her fault.. she's doing the best she can" 3:58
And then insults women
to ultimately blame on bojack
He had a moment of self reflection
Neither of them should’ve ever been parents, and Butterscotch knew that. That’s the only moment in the show where either of them acknowledge the effort the other begrudgingly puts in.
I think he felt guilty because it's actually his fault she is the way she is. She gave up everything for him, and he ruined her so, he does actually feel guilty but he's just a shitty being
That car scene really got to me. My dad rambled like that, talking to me about adult problems I shouldn't be able to understand and basically telling me "life is hell you only escape when you die- if you're lucky". Only when he was drunk, though, which was often, on top of the verbal abuse.
But one thing I can say about my Dad: He wasn't Butterscotch. My dad had his flaws, but I'm truly grateful for him. The bad moments like these honestly were really rare (and growing rarer, since he stopped drinking and started taking medication), and I know he loves me, and always has. My Dad stayed when my deadbeat POS mom left. My dad worked 2-3 jobs just to make sure me and my sister never went without, *and* had everything we wanted, on top of that. My dad learned how to cook to feed us good, homemade meals. My dad woke up early to make us breakfast and get us ready for school when we were too young to do it ourselves.
And my dad never, ever hit me or insulted me directly.
And on top of it all: My dad was not his own dad. My grandfather was way worse.
Is my dad perfect? No. Never was. But he most certainly wasn't Butterscotch.
If there's something i learned from this show is that you can't be *perfect* , but you can try to be *better*
This generations kids is weak minded. Grow the fuk up. Life is not all roses
Must be a good drinking buddy
Honestly your dad doesn’t sound bad at all. Just like he didn’t know how to correctly warn children about life. Kids need to know, young, but it’s a matter of how you tell them.
You're lucky he never beated you
I like how Bojack and Butterscoch’s voice sound so similar, referencing Bojack’s fear of becoming like his father. Nice call from the director.
Edit: I was wrong, stop liking this. It’s biology not some obscure art.
Edit: Maybe I was wrong twice. The tragedy could be in the inevitably of his biology.
In some ways he did become his father
They’re pretty much the same person sadly. Narcissistic, cynical, unable to take accountability for anything, verbally abusive, and they had a penchant for having sexual relationships with women with whom there was a power imbalance. Also the alcoholism.
His fear became a reality and Beatrice's trauma plays a huge part as well
@@annikaheydl7342 but Bojack is not so bad to hollyhock
It was the same voice actor
"Pearls are for ladies"
Yeah the writers absolutely had a backstory planned for him and that line definitely had significance why he's the way he is.
How many times have lines come back and just mean some shit?
Like, "BoJack Kills" and then Sarah Lynn overdosing on heroin named Bojack. Just because Bojack called her to go on a drug binge when she went sober
There were definitely plot lines planned that ended up having to be dropped since the show ended earlier than they planned. It felt like there was more they were going to do with Mr. Peanutbutter especially. The Halloween episode showed how he never grew or changed over time just like Bojack and his relationship with Pickles probably would have ended up being a wake-up call at some point, but they just broke up and that was the end of that. Such a shame we didn't get to see the characters grow (or regress) more, especially since I'm curious how they would have done a COVID parody like they did with the 2016 election in Season 4.
@@megaultrasonic That would've been pretty cool. I do always end up imagining what this show would've evolved into if it hadn't been cut off at its sixth season.
Who knows, maybe in the future we'll see this show briefly return. After the last couple seasons, I would honestly love to see this show return in the form of a theatrical film.
@@NerdMiGerd I hope it comes back too. The creator of this show said that they originally had 8-9 seasons planned, and if they were allowed to keep going they had plans for what they would have done afterwards too. Even if their original story got cut short, a revival based on whatever their after story was going to be would be awesome.
yeah damn netflix is shitty af... tuca and bertie got picked up by adultswim after it was canceled, but since bojack had closure i dont think we will be seeing more of it
I felt like they were going to do more with mr. Peanutbutter because we never really saw change with him. Because in the last episode he abandoned Bojack during the wedding and didnt see how he changed and he told the Audience how he just didnt feel like needing a relationship bc he was trying to figure himself out
“You can’t rely on other people, Bojack.”
“Promise me you’ll never love anyone as much as I loved crackerjack.”
Yikes.
The line "Pearls are for ladies." Gave me repressed over compensation vibes from a deeply shattered man...horse
Horseman
I died at the abortion joke when it cuts to Bojack just standing there. 😂😢
That was funny but messed up
I really wish we got to know more about Butterscotch's past like we did with Beatrice. That "pearls are for ladies" line hints at something deep within him.
My theory is that butterscotch was never meant to make a book about war but instead could of been better at fantasy or fiction. I think butterscotch was told long ago that pearls are for ladies because he was a more creative and expressive with his emotions, and was heavily look down on by all the men around him. I'm guessing butterscotch came from a family where all the men were masculine. He comes from the early 19's where men were hold to a pedestals after all. He still wanted to be a writer so as he got older he started to push those creative ideas away and instead focus on being more realistic and non fiction genres. To be honest I think that's why he was a "bad writer" because he didn't know how exactly to write out a war. I believe anytime he thought of something that could be creative toake the story more interesting, the "pearl are for ladies" line would echo in his head and he would just scratche out whatever creative thought he had and replace it with something more "realistic". Hell even that time when he thought of that sentence that kept going for pages and pages and pages was him going back to his roots but realized "pearls are for ladies" and needed a distraction, which was of course his idiot son having the tv too long. It's no wonder why he spend a majority of his 30-40 years of his life writing on one single book, he didn't know wtf he was exactly writing on.
Or it was just a line and there was no hard hitting deep meaning that could cause the planet to spilt in two, like how in the exact same episode with the coffee mug segment.
But that's my "head cannon" to that line. If you read all that, thanks.
@@angel_exe24 So maybe Diane at the end of her character arc did what Butterscotch couldn't (throw away his pride to) do. Just write something he could and not be afraid of criticism instead of wasting time rotting in obscurity pretending to be approaching his impossible dream one excuse at a time. HMMM.
I can totaly relate with the car scene.
I'am still glad, my father was very nice, compared to someone like Butterscotch.
But they were many moments, when sudenly , and out of nowhere, he made me the victim of his anger and frustration, and he stardet to blame and insult me, for things I wasn't responsible for.
Oh...
Same but with my mom
Yeah that scene kinda resonated with me. My dads a good person but it made realize that he has no way of venting his feelings other than putting it all on someone at once I always feel bad because my dad tries to hide these emotions in front of everyone.
I really relate. Then when I'd speak up about it I'd get in trouble. Like way to teach your kid to be more passive.
Honestly I think that's the way parents are
3:05
I always wondered why Butterscotch even bothered picking up Bojack in the first place. At first I thought it was just because he felt obligated to since Beatrice was holed up in the room. Like trying to make himself more of “the victim” by doing something below the husband status.
But he seems to have some awareness of Bojack as a person. Even realizing that Bojack wasn’t home and that he would be too meek to try and walk home himself. Since he was obedient enough to wait for god knows how long for one of his parents to arrive. I assume other parents probably offered to drive him but he declined. So perhaps he felt a bit bad for Bojack being left behind?
I feel like Butterscotch tries to be the hero and do things the gentleman’s way because that’s who he wants to be. But in the end he just isn’t that type of person and thus suffers through his own failures.
I think its like how Bojack use to treat Todd. He'll emotionally and verbally attack and abuse him but he knows he has to say or do that one nice thing once in a while to keep control of/ make him seem wanted/ needed by the other. Just like when Bojack built Todd and his rock Opera up, only to sabotage him at the end.
It was all to make himself feel good/ important. Bojack is an accessory to Butterscotch just like Todd was an accessory to Bojack.
or he's just doing it to avoid writing and trying to make this an excuse not to write. at 3:39 "you know, Sundays are my writing day. Sundays are the one day that are just for me and my craft. and still, you and the black hole that birthed to you conspired to ruin it for me! what am I supposed to do now? just go back to writing? I'm out of the zone now! the whole day's shut. all because of you and that brittle wisp of a woman you made a mistake of making your mother."
I just rewatched the show. In the penultimate episode "The view from halfway down" Bojack amalgamated Secretariat and Butterscotch, his two father-figures, into one person. He said: "...Speaking as your father, I want you to know that I cared. ... You think I didn't care because I put up walls. But I cared so much, Bojack. About you. About your mother. I wanted you to respect me. I wanted you to love me. I was so afraid that you might know that. I cared so much."
Of course, that took place inside Bojacks head in his near-death experience, so you can interpret it how you want. It would be either what Bojack wishes his father would have told him or what Bojack subconsciously actually believes about his fathers motivations, but did not want to admit to himself, because he never was ready to forgive his father. I suggest it is the second one since in the entire episode nothing happens the way Bojack wants. We do not have many scenes depicting Butterscotch, but Bojack lived his entire life with him. So I go with Bojacks subconscious character judgement.
@@ggelston97 most probably
@@ggelston97Definitely used it as an excuse to not write
i like how butterscotches early scenes all have a more comical tone (such as the line "that's some shoddy craftsmenship son" with trombone music in the background) but each scene becomes more depressing and real than the last. it's the perfect demostration of how the show itself has evolved.
Butterscotch is so awful yet simultaneously fascinating
He's a narcissist. Aweful people to know but interesting when you're far enough away.
Beatrice too
It's weird how Butterscotch has these tiny moments where he realizes he's a total dick, but immediately goes back to being one.
"No, no... it's not her fault. She's doing the best she can. Sometimes, we need to realize that yourself is the only person you can depend on." That was actually weirdly wise for him.
Is it though? His lesson in that story was "you can't depend on women" and they "are controlled by emotion". Not only that but he teaches his son that he can't rely on anyone, not even seeing the irony that he's also talking about himself. Him and Beatrice are arguably the ones that bojack is supposed to be able to MOST rely on
Just that moment shows he knows what he’s doing is bad. Remember how in (spoilers for season 6) Bojack’s dream state, Secretariat/His Dad said he cared and loved him? I really do think he did. He had signs he was a good person, just with terrible habits.
Like the show said... there are no good or bad people. Just people who do bad or good things.
@@thetwistedsamurai that makes sense. It's been a while since I saw it so I might need a rewatch but idk i think that Bojack's dad was pretty fucked up... I'm not sure if he did care and love for him especially since wasn't it Secretariat who was the stand in for his dad?
@@thetwistedsamurai wouldn't doing good or bad things make you a good or a bad person?
You left out the part where he said “you just can’t trust women”
Okay, so it's obviously terrible he was cheating on his wife, but the implication is that he drugged Bojack to keep quiet, right? Why did he have roofies??? Ugh, I knew he was bad but I don't like the implication of that.
I think the implication is the bojack blacked out from alcohol alone, not roofies. It's just illustrated quickly.
The implication is he got his son drunk to guilt him into keeping his mouth shut. The episode was about Bojack's first drink
Alcohol makes you sleepy
Given his age and the fact that he's never drank, his tolerance would be shit so I don't think he was drugged, just blacked out from booze
He didn't have roofies, I think that was just a lot of alcohol. he then blacks out and pukes on the carpet, leading to butterscotch having him keep the whole night under wraps for fear of his mother
When Butterscotch said the "pearls are for queers" it sounded like something his own parents might have beaten into his head. I imagine when he was a kid he might have been interested in his mother's pearls and his father caught him and gave him hell cuz pearls are for ladies and queers and now he is bitter about it, telling the same to his own son
“Pearls are for Ladies” ya know somebody probably told him that when he tried to wear pearls );
probably his dad . . .or maybe he was just remembering Beatrice wearing pearls
probably his dad.. with an extra beating on the side.
not everyone has crazy sad backstories. some people are assholes.
@@lavitorroja2632 then again, we never saw Butterscotch’s backstory, so it’s entirely possible
Well pearls look stupid on men anyway
Guys this is so sad. This kids life is so dysfunctional because of his parents. They don't care enough to even try to get their shit together for this kid. Atleast they give it to him straight though.
You should watch this show, though it’s really good.
have you watched this show?
@@juliahornback2843 I just binged on it this past weekend. I had seen memes on the internet. I just never thought it was an actual show.
@@ntandogcaba6135 oh how far are you?
Yeah but at a certain point you have to be responsible for your own actions
I think that butterscotch was treated as a child the same as how he treated bojack, it would explain why bojack would act similar to him later on in his life, maybe if bojack did actually have a child he would treat them as he was and make an endless loop of shitty parenting and childhood trauma
Actually when he's under the impression that Hollyhock is his daughter even thought at first he's not necessarily warm to the idea, he treats her wayy better than how Butterscotch treated Bojack as a kid by a long shot.
@@zoeyj.7032 True but he also never had to take care of her like his parents did. So is not exactly a fair comparison, since maybe of butterscotch or beatrice would have meet bojack later in their lives as a grown up, they could have not treated him so harshly since in their mind he did not ruin their lives.
It makes me reevaluate one of my favorite scenes in the show, actually. That whole dream sequence Bojack has about a life with Charlotte and their daughter. Its really sweet and all, but could we really expect him to be a good father with the example he had growing up? Because as sad as it is.. I could really see him ranting in a car to his young daughter about how he could have been a great star if it wasnt for Charlotte holding him back
Will Arnett saying “ daddy wouldn’t like that would he “
so hot
got me feeling sum type of way 😳
Ya’ll are gonna flip your lids when I tell you about Lego Batman
Baldr Eats Fries thats where my addiction started 😻😻✨
Understandable have a great day
"You're actually very lucky" triggered me into the next century
Butterscotch had honestly the best “FU” from life itself. He truly believed himself to be destined writing the great book about the struggling life of the working class and to be forever remember.
And what happens? His book is shit, he dies in the most hilarious way possible, few people were obligated to go to his funeral, and his son becomes famous than he’ll ever be. Part of me hopes that he realizes the latter. His son, despite all the abuse he gave, became more memorable than he ever was. And it eats him inside. At the end “fuck you dad”
In Free Churro episode, he did mentioned the details of his death and how absurd it was. And final fu moment to Butterscotch was "I didn't read his book, nor will i do it, because why I would give him that?"
You know ironicaly dispite all of his abuse and condescending Behavior. Bojack was still better than Butterscotch. he did what his father can never and became famous and talented artists
He also started an important healing process
He also received punishment for his crimes
Being better than your abusive father is the bare minimum. It's not something to be overly proud of, honestly, because you can always make excuses and get lazy with the progress you're making
I don't really think being famous makes Bojack better. I mean have you seen the things Bojack has done throughout the show. He's pretty much like his father.
@@justsomelochnessmonsterony8265 I dont think he ever got as bad as butterscotch. he had his affairs, but he never cheated on PC when they dated. he knew he didn't like commitment and mostly avoided it. yes, he lashed out at the people around him often, but all through out the show he fights to be better, and eventually achieves that. the show is really about his struggle to find happiness and something worth living for, and also finding a way to heal from the trauma from his childhood and a way to be a better person. he often tries it on his own without therapy and it never lasts. he takes up running, he leaves Holly woo to new Mexico (which doesn't work because he thinks he can get with his old friend but doesn't and he spirals from that) I think part of bojacks story was that he wanted to be better, but simply didn't know how. when abuse is all you know, how do you break that cycle. he eventually learns. but its apparent that it's a lifelong battle that won't end until he dies, and he needs to be careful. he was doing good until cancel culture came for him. I think its a matter of him leaving Holly woo for good, finding a career he's happy with, cutting out partying and drugs and alchohol out, and staying away from certain people people environments that continue to bring him down, and continuing therapy for the rest of his life.
I think the show is about his struggle to find a way to be better. abuse is a cycle for a reason, and it's not an easily broken one. It's possible, but it's hard.
I can’t believe parents like this exist
Could be worst. Could be worst....
@@albertofrankdiaz6664 you okay bro ?
You gotta stop thinking of parents as different from people in general. They are, after all, just random people who decided to have kids. And people can be huge fucking assholes.
@@albertofrankdiaz6664 worse*
What’s truly sad is that there are parents even worse than BoJack’s out there. Imagine parents that actually sexually abuse their own children. There is true fucking evil in this world.
It's poignant that, "Free Churro" begins with the car monologue from Butterscotch with the young Bojack not actively listening, but still witnessing his father's utter disdain for his wife as well as his all-around misogyny. The rest of the episode is the funeral monologue from Bojack, also ranting about Beatrice. Bojack's definitely not the same or nearly as bad as his father, but it's clear he still internalized a lot of his delusions and dysfunctions because of the male role model he had. They share a tendency to complain endlessly, to view themselves as eternal victims, a lack of true understanding for women, and a general sense of self-centered self-loathing.
hate to agree with the mass and say that my parents' relationship is exactly like Bojack's parents, except for the cheating.
It's not something "good" or "quirky", the show itself does it best to explain it. If you've grown up or if you're growing up in an atmosphere like this one it is more likely that you're gonna be insecure and more for the rest of your life and it is no good to joke about thid stuff or to nearly glorify it. A kid should never be exposed to these type of life traits and it's painfully gross that this still has to be pointed out
I'm sorry about that
I'm sorry about that-
@@R457-j2g it's okay,,
It’s not glorified it’s quite the opposite
@@batsy2488 no, it isn't in the show like i said. But *some* (and i mean like a few,maybe 4 or so) people feel like it's okay to glorify it or to say sumn like "god i wish that was me". That was my point lol
My parents were crap, so when he has the audacity to just growl out "thaaaaannnnnk yoooouuuu" I couldn't help but laugh. Like, damn dude, just... The fuck are you even doing? Lol
The fact that he got bojack drunk to cover up and make bojack feel bad about his dads affair..and saying “I think your mom would be disappointed in you..” is a straight up manipulation tactic..making it seem like they both messed up is so heartbreaking..
The amount of emotional abuse and gaslighting is unbelievable..it really comes to light in bojack later in life it looks like..considering his poor choices and constant need for substances..
“Cox it out of my sheath”
......oh no.....
God, this show has great writing, dialog, and characters. Why can't we have more adult cartoons like BoJack?!
Because executives care more about money than writing, and sadly that's a *fact*
That's the scariest part. It's like you don't want to piss your dad off more and then he freaks out on you with unnecessary anger coming out of his mouth...it makes you feel worse than normal. It feels like you did a crime than a real crime. So heartbreaking.
I dislike how similar Butterscotch and my father are, and the car ride was too relatable to my liking. You just sit there and listen to them to the point you just stare off into space like auto pilot mood until they start yelling at you.
Monsters aren't just killers, criminals or mad dictators... they can be ordinary people living ordinary lives, spewing poison over their "loved" ones
The most disgusting thing about Beatrice and Butterscotch's hatred of each other is just how disingenuous it is. They both are just irreparably mad at themselves for not being the people they thought they were when the two got married. Despite all the trauma, Beatrice was never a good wife or mother. Despite being a perpetual loser and underdog, Butterscotch was never an intellectual or good writer.
So it was back and forth yelling at each other because neither of them are the kinds of strong individuals that can look inwards and be introspective.
*And then Bojack was born.*
That's the part that's disgusting to me. Despite all the arguing and bitterness both of them found it within themselves to independently of the other utterly hate and despise their child. Butterscotch and Beatrice *NEVER* have the rare half-conscious pang of empathy for Bojack that they occasionally had for each other. No, they had this kid and both decided to be fucking abhorrent to him for no reason.
They couldn't just be miserable by themselves, no. They had to have a child and ruin his life too. Genuinely garbage people, they really do deserve each other.
It's scary after realizing Bojack had flinched for his first drink as a toddler but was obviously used to it when his dad roofied him.. If he was a good father which the show obviously didn't want to intend he would've noticed, I fucking love this show man.
“Cut through the Panama canal like some kinda Democrat” Just melted my mind with confused laughter
The president who finished the panama canal was a Democrat
i think the reason we don't know anything about butterscotch's past is to show that some people are literally just bad people
I think no one really just is, nor good or bad, there is always a reason for someones behaviour, sadly we sometimes never know the reasons and the why that person acted like that, will be a mistery
@@naonaga4260 well unfortunately some people are born with certain severe neurological disorders and or illnesses... some people are born to do bad things. No amount of therapy or correctional programs can "fix" some people.... And even then there are people that walk amongst us every day who have problems like this but may never get any help or "corrections" simply because a lot of them adapt and society is vast. A lot of people pretend to be good people or even fool themselves into thinking they are. Some people use the excuse of religion or culture or politics... But ultimately at the end of the day some people literally just do things to serve their own needs like a starving animal.
He only hints about his past when he rambles on and repeats "pearls are for ladies" probably hinting some abusive or traumatic experience that happens to be maternal with implications of toxic masculinity that are probably paternal or absence of either or
@Jaybriel Rosales how...can you honestly believe that someone being born with a different brain means they were "born to do bad things"?
even psychopaths, people born with the empathy part of their brain inactive due to no fault of their own, are able to be decent human beings that do only as much harm as the rest of us do to each other.
nobody. *NOBODY.* is born to do bad things. yeah, some of us, myself included, won't ever be able to live up to the standards of what general society considers Good, simply because the electricity and chemicals in our brains fire a certain way that falls outside of the Acceptable way that non-sentient chemicals are Allowed to fire, but that doesn't mean we're bad. neutral? selfish? sure. but not bad.
nobody is born to do bad. nobody is fated to be bad or evil. some of us are fated to lack, but not to be bad.
@@dirtburger2773 my statement wasnt entirely literal and even then I'm oversimplifying a complicated topic. i don't truly believe that being "born to do bad" exists in absolute. truth or not i don't want it to be true. I'm not sure how to articulate what i mean anyways.
“coax it out of my sheathe”
-dad of the year
god that line is lewd
They chose to put that in 🌝
@@user-xi4nz3be1x that's not the only thing that was "put in" that night
Julia Hornback 😏😞
It's lines like that every once in a while that slap me in the face and remind me of that the show is bestiality
2:13 - I had WAY too many of these moments with my father, where I'd be too young to understand his cynicism, but I knew how uncomfortable it was. He'd complain about my Mom's side of the family, how I needed to be more of a man and join the Army like he did, how my best friend Andrew was burning in Hell after committing suicide.
But the most painful moment was when I was 15. We were on our way to a birthday dinner, Dad asked what I wanted to be, and I told him I wanted to be an actor.
He snickered, and I will never forget what he said and how much it stunned me into silence for the rest of the day:
"You're not good looking enough to be an actor, you'll end up playing perverts or killers like that guy on Armageddon, and that's all you'll ever be."
He was talking about Steve Buscemi -- an accomplished actor/director/former NY fireman -- but Dad only ever saw him as the "pervert from Armageddon". I didn't speak to him for the rest of the day, and he didn't pick up on it, or even ask if I was okay....that was the day I began hating myself....that was the same year I willingly took drugs and alcohol to numb the pain.
I NEVER forgot that, and of course, he doesn't remember it when I bring it up. But it was one of the most painful things I'd ever heard....and I had WAY too many moments, trapped in a truck -- wishing I could jump out....and he wasn't even a drunk. Just a broken, lonely man, who didn't know how to be a father because his own parents weren't emotionally available.
I'm content to leave him alone, in his house -- JUST the way he clearly always wanted, and I will do everything in my power to avoid being like him. If I ever have children, I will love them unconditionally and guide them without hurting their self esteem or abusing them....or making them feel ashamed for being born.
TL;DR - That scene set off my PTSD
Good on you for putting a stop to the cycle and trying to end the generational trauma. That takes strength and self awareness that many don’t have, including your father.
I really hope you're doing better now man.
That's always how it is isn't it? The horrible fucked up things they said to us they never remember. I hope you find a good life....far away from them.
Bro man I pray u actually take up acting and prove to yourself u can do what u want and be who u want I hope your life is better brother
@@dakinglotusbvkxunity4009Thank you for your kindness. It's sad but....I've gotten a LOT done due to spite and rage. Sadly, he put that in me. And now he's alone, and he can stay that way.
4:41 BOJACK FLINCHES🥺🥺🥺
The car scene is so relatable that I had flashbacks.
I just wanna say everyone's voice in this show is so soothing
Even Todd's??
@@sollinadeonrutas9632especially Todd
3:59 Oh god this look. This look that Bojack gives his dad when he finally shows just a hint of humility. It's that moment where you think it's going to be like in the movies. This is where they realize they should do better, this is where they realize they have to make changes. This is the moment that they will finally change.
And then they don't.
Instead they get even worse