@@Grimmijaggers out of all the different interpretations of Dream, yours is by far the creepiest and most villainous. With his constant smile, you knew that even with nothing, his silvery tongue would save him.
I have been watching the dream smp for so long, and I honestly love dream as a villain, and the desperation in his voice when the nuke came down, made me like his character a little more, but also Tommy is a traumatized gremlin child…
It’s a shame that nothing became of season 2 of the dsmp, which was due to many factors, such as technoblades passing - which made creators like Phil, Niki and Ranboo pull back, everyone being busy with their own thing, dreams grooming allegations and him very poorly addressing them
Hi! Just wanna let you know that he did adress the allegations but he can't speak on it in depth while taking legal actions Plus one of the girls who accused him was caught lying and privated her Twitter account when people taught her how to get more credible evidence And the other woman who accused him was recently outted as a horrible monster who was gr**ming and encouraging SH and ED on a 13 year old child. Said child is currently in the process of filling more Police reports because when they did it the first time, the Police didnt take them seriously, but now they're having massive support from people in the Minecraft community to seek out justice again. And the child also has evidence that their abusers accusations against Dream were fabricated. They're working on a doc to show it all
That blooper death with Dream and Tommy could have been worked around SO easily, and been such a great moment, if Dream revived him with the book as he was actively threatening he would do in the first place ("kill you and then revive you and then kill you and then revive you again"). Would have been a perfect validation of the threat. You thought you could get out of this that easily, Tommy?
I'm not a c!Dream apologist, more like symphathizer and enthusiastic, because even if he had done bad things, I can say that his character is so intriguing and complex. We barely had any POV lore stream of this man, but I think this kind of storytelling works for c!Dream. We could only see and judge him from the eyes of the other characters, yet if we analyze deeper down, we could start to understand his side of story too. If I were him and then there is a gremlin child starts to break rules, ruin things and provoke wars, I would be really frustrated too, especially when the said child almost never listens to me and doesn't learn his mistakes. Then there is another guy who wants to make a drug empire aka L'manburg, who creates factions and separates ideology (and the fact that Wilbur is American, how dare he, I thought it was supposed to be a bunch of British people). Ain't no way I'm letting it happen. Not when the server was supposed to be a place to have fun and a simple community of Greater SMP. But I admit, Dream's wanting of control had become an obsession, not to mention his obsession of uncovering the knowledge beyond life and death after he possesed the revival book. It all started went downhill and Dream's decend to madness is similar to Wilbur's. I was so upset by the Prison arc, because he suffered a lot in his cell. Why can't he have rehabilitation instead? It's better than occasionally starved and torturing him everyday (looking at you, Sam and Quackity). His mental condition could've been improved and he might have tried to become a better person! But nooo, even Puffy thinks he doesn't deserve therapy like wtf lady he clearly needs it! Does isolating himself from everyone seems mentally healthy to you?! It upsets me so much to the point I made two fanfictions about him healing, one with the Syndicate and the other is a crossover with Sirius Black cause they have a lot in common. But anyway, he's an excellent villain/antagonist.
He did torture a child and revel in his own evil… though his motivations are understandable, he is not redeemable. I do find the prison conditions morally horrifying, and no one deserves to be tortured like Dream was. Though I will say that Quackity and Sam are both treated as villains by the story for these reasons.
I mean to be fair.. he did abuse a child in almost every way possible and Sam even states that Dream tells him what he did to Tommy. While he didn't deserve to be tortured, he in no way deserves to have the chance at rehabilitation, I mean like the first thing he did after escaping was to go torment Tommy again.
I was a c!Dream apologist but mostly because I wanted a redemption arc of him and Tommy realizing they started from the same standpoint but while Tommy chose to grow in a positive way Dream chose the destructive way and I wanted that hurt to be acknowledged as much as Tommy's. REDEMPTION ARC Although I was alright with the concept of "he went to far there is no turn back" too, that one was just sadder.
Urm... I was a c!Dream apologist up until after the first L'manburg war because (as you said) he was trying to create order and he had tried democratically but it didn't work so, y'know.... War. BUT he completely lost all my sympathy the second he decided that torturing a kid in basically every way possible was okay. NO matter what Tommy had done in the past, he did not deserve what he got in Exile and afterwards. For gods sake, it's cannon that he beat the kid to death with what's basically a blunt object. As someone who was threatened with that sort of violence, it's not a pretty way to die - it would have hurt a shit ton. Plus, the first thing he did when he escaped prison was try to torture Tommy again via death, then revival, then death again, etc. Tommy had already described how it felt - like his body was being ripped to a million pieces and it's obvious his character has PTSD from it considering he has explained that he starts shaking when he's even in a planes biome because of what Dream has done to him. I apologise, but Dream is totally irredeemable. He doesn't deserve support for his actions, nor does he deserve any sort of therapy - my god the man is the CAUSE of half of the people Puffy has had to heal. It's clear his character, even if given the chance, would not try to better himself because this narrative he has created in his head to make his actions justifiable has twisted to his own horrific morality. And my god, I neither agree nor disagree as to whether or not he deserved Prison Arc - I agree that he deserved to be isolated and alone - as that's what he tried to do to many others and my god that man needs to pay for his crimes - but no living thing deserves torture (though I know many who believe he does considering he's tortured others). Think of it this way, imagine your best friend - or sibling - was forcibly isolated physically, then mentally and physically abused everyday to the point of hallucinations, then was convinced no one cared about them, then was punched to death as they screamed for it to stop, got revived after being stuck with another abuser in a black void for months, and finally was then terrorized by that person when they escaped their confines. I don't know, if it was me I'd personally want that person to be dead. I mean, wouldn't you? LMAO sorry i don't know why I wrote this much.
One other aspect that I really liked about Dream's character is that he actually won sometimes. And he seemed so conniving that the one time he most definitively "lost" people were speculating that he didn't actually lose and that it was all part of his plan. He built the prison for himself. And even at the finale, when the nukes detonated, his goal was achieved. And due to us not seeing things from his perspective, we don't know if that was part of his plan or not either.
I have a personal headcannon for thinking dream getting arrested and put in prison was actually part of his plan: In a way, Dream's main motivation was to stop all of the infighting on the server and to stop all of the wars. To that extent, he succeeded temporarily when he got arrested. He turned literally everyone on the server against him, gave them all a common enemy, and for that one moment when everyone came through the portal to rescue Tommy and Tubbo, there was peace. Everyone was united. There was no longer an "Us vs them" dynamic between the Americans and the Brits or anyone else. Instead it was simplified to "Us vs Dream" or rather "1 man vs literally everyone else". It suddenly became a more directed threat that everyone agreed needed to be dealt with, so they did. Dream succeeded to that extent :)
Amazing that I come across this video after finding a collection of few Dream SMP metas I made, and a couple of lists of ones I wanted to. I had a Dream SMP blog (that I ended up deleting) I think two years back after vaguely following the series, and man I remember how much fun it was to just completely pick apart this asinine little series. c!Dream had been my favorite of the cast, so most of my focus settled on him and his relationships with others. Unfortunately, the analysis community in the DSMP fandom was of course mostly composed of children, and whoo boy! As a grown man of 20, it was not fun to be there, so I left. Analysis is not moral praxis kiddos, remember that! Ah, but this video is a good bit of nostalgia. Also love girlbossing compilation. Iconic as the man himself.
The speedstory had me absolutely dying from laughter. Best way to let someone understand the f-ing mess that the DSMP is in as little time as possible. LOVED IT
... Mali your powers of persuasion are terrifying. I was avoiding dream stuff cuz i didn't think there was anything worth while in it and now I'm like damn.... Maybe i have to go watch shit now.
Can i ask a question? I'm not in the fandom so i don't know this but what does "C!" Mean? I'm assuming it means "canon" but i'm not sure. Anyways I don't know much about him but from what i'v seen he seems pretty cool
@Acorn905 It most often stands for Character in this context. However it can also mean Cannon seeing as some people use the letter! Format to differentiate between different AU’s as well. But generally speaking c!name means character in these fandom spaces. Where cc!name means content creator. Hope that helps! :D
THIS WAS AN AMAZING VIDEO!!!! I love how much you clearly love c!Dream’s character :D I have such a deep appreciation for him and his tangled psyche and deep down good-in his own misguided way-motivations. He manages to be scary and a joy to watch on screen in a way I feel you don’t see a whole lot, and it’s fucking rad. I love to hate him while also indulging in the thrill of watching the pieces he’s laid out fall into place in a twisted but satisfying manner (I’m so glad you touched on the form of media it takes allowing for a genuine and natural aspect that most other mediums can’t achieve just by their nature, it’s one of my favorite things about dsmp). It’s sad that we now know we aren’t getting a season 2, I’ll miss it dearly, but I’m glad it was able to wrap up in a satisfying way (to me, at least) and give us closure before that. One critique though: I know it’s probably just cus you wrote the script before the finale, like you said, but the thing about the prison being built for tommy isn’t true. As is confirmed in the finale, the prison was intended to house dream all along, as a form of protection for both him and punz (something that…. half worked lol). The prison being built for tommy was just a useful narrative dream allowed to exist to further direct suspicion away from his true plans. I’m sure you know this but thought I’d point it out just in case!
I really liked your analysis on this one and would love to see where you take this going forward. It gave me a new perspective to look at the events in canon. Also, Ranboo canonized their chat as well. We are the ender particles that followed them around :)
I remember when the Dream SMP was getting increasingly popular I didn't really think anything of it. I mostly just dismissed it as another server where a bunch of friends hung out and well played Minecraft. That is until one day my friend messaged me and went on about the Lore going on in the series. My introduction to said war was when George slept through a war? It's a little fuzzy nowadays. And sure enough thanks to my friend's fixation I too got got sucked into the lore. To the point of creating my own character to exist and interact with the canon characters and my friend's own character. I still play around with them even if they're no longer a DreamSMP oc and instead exist in their own Minecraft world where they adopted a mushroom child. No context allowed.
while i don't agree that exile was at all tommy's fault, the rest of this video is really good and i enjoy it a lot. i don't get to see much good come out of the dsmp nowadays. thank you
Damn it Mali, I completely spaced how good this series was....Now I'm falling back into the hole that is the Dream SMP with it's lore and characters. XDDD Seriously though Dream is such a good villain and I loved the Dream SMP, and may techno never die in our hearts. o7
Finally woke up and watch the whole and... 🚬 not bad (for reals it's amazing work and I'm now interested into the Dream SMP story) "DYING COUCHING NOISES"
This makes my little brain wanna talk about the topic and relevant topic but I don’t wanna clog up the comment section so I’m going to make a bunch of random comments and just shove them in here in a number order because yes, also this was made through the course of this whole video and stuff. (Also every name here is referencing the canon character not the actual people) 1, I struggle to take the DSMP lore to seriously when it comes to the L’Manburg arc because the name L’Manburg makes me giggle 2, “he also struggles from crippling anxiety so uhh” relatable 3, love the fact how in the arc where Wilbur was a traitor the question “Who’s the traitor?” was asked and Wilbur raised his hand, everyone thought it was a joke, it wasn’t but cool story. 4, weird stuff I think is canon but am not 100% sure! Dream and Schlatt either f*cked or got married then got a child, who was that child? Conner… that guy that stole Tommy’s house repeatedly… 5, “Tommy almost commited die” made my brain go OYASUMI, OYASUMI, I KNOW THAT IT’S HARD TO DOOOOO, OYASUMI, OYASUMI- (I could write the whole song lyrics if I wanted to, don’t test me) 6, the urge I have to just like write a redemption arc for Dream is insane… I tried but I didn’t like it and this makes me wanna just you know… try and write it again but that’s fine I can handle that (I’m about to crack, I already have uhm… f*ck… there BG… AN… SC… that’s three of them… gimme a minute… okay! So there’s uhm I gotta name these suckers so I can list them gimme a second, BG, AN, SC, WDI, PostAN, CR, CS and SACC [that name was unintentional trust me bro] so that’s uh 8, I don’t want a 9th… you know what yes, yes I do I’m probably gonna write a concept somewhere on my phone) 7, why does Punz and Dream have not regular bestie behaviour? Either it’s just Punz or some sh*t but him always being on Dream’s side even though his reason for Dream not paying him more (to my knowledge) was true he just went with the phrasing but pretended it was a lie so I wouldn’t be surprised if Punz didn’t tell Dream about how Punz had a reason to do with his job of working with whoever pays him more to betray Dream but he didn’t, that’s not normal bestie behaviour, I have unintentionally done that to my crush who is my first ever friend (I could go into that form of dependentcy so f*cking much it’s insane, you know just think of Basil and Sunny from Omori and I’m Basil and my friend’s Sunny and our situation is less intense so keep that in mind) 8, AAHHHHHHHH TECHNO IS BEST CHARACTER FR FR 9, I kin Dream to some degree, not fully just relate to the “I will what ever to not be alone and I will manipulate to get my way” except the final bit is half true because a few years ago I did manipulate and guilt trip someone so they wouldn’t leave me… yeah I hate the fact I did that… 10, this made me laugh so many times especially the lore speedrun, I find it absolutely hilarious because of how dry my f*cking humour is 11, Dream is like a favourite character of mine, like I’ve seen genderbend fan art of Dream (by Grimmijaggers) and you know… red is my second favourite colour… 12, the depiction of trauma is so f*cking good, I’m gonna use Tommy and Dream as examples. Tommy knows he’s traumatised and his reactions are of someone with severe PTSD to do with so many things that make sense such as TNT and violence, his reactions are absolutely heart wrenching. Now you may be think “WhAt dO YoU mEan DrEAm???” well, in my interpretation he has a form of PTSD, the amount that effects him depends on 2 things, 1, the extent you believe he was tortured and 2, if you think he realises he is traumatised. In my opinion he doesn’t even realise he has PTSD, I dunno what it is but like AAHHHHH also I know having trauma or mental illness doesn’t excuse actions especially to his degree, it makes it a tiny bit understandable. That’s why people hate villains being very human, it shows them that they have the chance of becoming just like that character, I’ve only now realised that I can be a bit similar to Dream in some aspects and it’s kinda terrifying how I in a way if I don’t manage myself I can become a villain, though I won’t ever get to the extent of Dream I still have had moments where I am a bit like the character. 13, the amount I have gotten into light arguments with my brother because Tubbo didn’t do sh*t he’s a cool guy, he’s best characters
37:42 yes he is. C!Tommy is not a villain, he is a victim. And 90% of the conflicts that people said he started were actually started by someone else, and he was roped in, And then blamed for it. He never acted on his own without being first provoked either (and the other server members sure liked to provoke him a lot. Like repeatedly destroying his house despite griefing being against the rules, and then everyone always complains that tommy is the one who destroys everything) He is a child surrounded by adults who do nothing but blame him for everything bad that happens. Why is it that when tommy griefs, or pulls a prank, or sets a fire (even if its an accident), it's an irredeemable offense that he deserves to be harshly punished for, but when literally EVERYONE ELSE (and yes, I really mean that) does the exact same thing, its fine and no one cares? Tommy was never any more chaotic than anyone else on the server, discounting his very first day on the server I suppose. Nothing he ever did was worthy of the harsh punishment he received. And its certainly not his fault that dream became a monster. Dream only became a monster because of his obsession with total control, which he couldn't have over tommy, because tommy never listened to him (and why should he? Dreams literally not the boss of him).
@@killuanatsume which is a child. And yes, they've all done messed up stuff, as all people do. The problem is the HUGE double standard with c!tommy. Everyone seems to hold him to a higher standard than everyone else, and makes a note of every bad choice and mistake he's ever made, using that as justification for some of the horrible things that have happened to him, but when almost the entire server has done the exact same things (often more than once), its perfectly fine. People can burn down and destroy Tommy's house as a joke and its so funny and no one cares. But if tommy and Ranboo (remember tommy didn't act alone) accidentally burn down georges house, hes given the worst possible consequence imaginable and everyone turns against him. Everyone blames all the servers problems on him, as if he's somehow in control of everyone else when they choose to perpetuate the cycle of retaliation when someone makes them mad. He's certainly not responsible in ANY WAY for dream becoming the way he is, c!dream is a grown ass man who has beef with an actual child and is so bothered by the fact that said child doesn't want to listen to him that he has to systematically take everything he ever loved away from him. and even that was never enough.
@@liz_merr1003 And yet, c!Tommy says the same thing about c!Dream. Like yeah, he did mess up a lot but he isn't responcible for everything bad that happened on the server.
@@killuanatsume except for the fact that he literally is. Well, he may not be the cause of every single little personal conflict between every character, but nearly every single major conflict within the server (once wilbur joined and they all started properly roleplaying and planning out their story) leads back to c!dream. He manupulated people, sometimes in subtle ways, just to nudge them in the direction he wants them to go. C!dreams entire schtick is that he manufactures conflict just so he can watch the chaos unfold, which is something he's explicitly said more than once. He plays every side and manipulates everyone to get what he wants, and he always has a backup plan ready. C!dream doesnt just make mistakes like the other characters do, he is actively malicious nearly 100% of the time and does things for the sole purpose of causing harm. Its not a case of a generally good person making bad choices now and then, he's literally evil. He may not have been at the very beginning of the server when they weren't seriously roleplaying, but once that all got started, he quickly fell into the villain role, and cc!dream was doing it intentionally. He wanted his character to be a bad guy, he wanted him to be evil. He never made any effort to make his character redeemable or give him an understandable reason for doing what he's doing. And no, bringing "order" to the server is not an understandable or valid reason, seeing as he has no authority or power to control what other people do or think. The excuse of "the ends justify the means" isn't valid either, considering the "ends" is supposed to be peace according to dream, but the "means" to achieving said piece is turning people against each other and taking the things they value most, and taking every possible opportunity to escalate all the conflicts he comes across. Hes genuinely evil and its much more valid to say that he's the cause of all the servers problems than it is to say that tommy is.
@@liz_merr1003 I don't think either of them is the cause of all the servers problems, I think all the characters put together are because each of them are the cause of some problem so put together they are the cause of everything.
Why do I feel like I’ve watched this before? Oh yeah I watched it like 7 months ago, forgot, remembered then forgot and didn’t have a UA-cam account! 10 out of 10 I remember some stuff I might edit this when I’m done watching
It's so nice to see a video that looks into one of the lots of great characters of the dsmp. Even if I don't agree with everything you've said ( dreblr moment- call me an apologist, enthusiast whatever. Understands but doesn't excuse) it was a very nice watch. Thank you for making this!
I use ad blockers, so I can't really tell. Guys, is Mali putting ads on her video and getting good money from this? This is way too much effort to not be loading this shit with ads and getting a good amount of ad revenue from. If it doesn't have a lot of ads, please bully her into putting more ads on the video so she gets the money she deserves for making good content, thanks.
Me realizing in 2024 that it was all scripted... He did play a pretty good villain tho. Im not gonna get into whats going on now but like...It was fun to whatch this retrospecktiveley.
i really love this video, this analysis of cdream is amazing and i love it. I enjoyed it so much as a fan of c!dream, i just love villan charathers, thank you so much
like fr??!! i liked DSMP for the actually good story then bum all of them are weird asf?? Quackity and Wilbur had some great ideas for the story and just????Ssajgdhfaajdh??? too much thoughts
I truly don't get how anyone was invested in Dream SMP. My whole thought process was "it's just a Minecraft server" and truly I think that's why I can't get into this, but I get super into stuff like Dimension20, Critical Roll, TAZ Balance. because at the end of the day it's a minecraft server even in Canon, so the worst case scenario is you get banned. it's not a character like in The D&D podcasts mentioned above, the character Tommy is acting as, is still just a guy playing minecraft, so when they're all like "this sucks im sad" All Im thinking is "then join a new server since this owner is being such a piece of trash". Peace to those who like it, and the animations by SAD-ist are so good!!, but I'll just never get the love for this series,
I just can't take it seriously because it's minecraft. Like, a game where you are a block person building blocky things with blocky materials. Maybe I've just been spoiled with really good villians, but Dream just doesn't scare me.
As much as I enjoyed the lore, I really hope it doesn't continue. Like a lot of the creators said, it wouldn't feel right to continue the same series without Techno. Even if they renamed it and hosted it by someone else, it would feel much better.
It's terrifying how dream acted like a pyschopath and had his fans bully anyone who dared question his story when he cheated in minecraft. It's also pretty scary how he didn't give a single fuck what he did was wrong and his community didn't held him accountable for when he admitted to it when the time was convenient.
Depends on the art, the artist and the audience. Everyone else’s cut off point is different so it’s hard to say. Dream is easy for me because of how obvious the collaborative nature of the project is, to dismiss cDream and the DSMP because of Dream would also be dismissing all the other creators that worked on the project and for me creator Dream has not hit a point where I would consider that necessary.
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I adore c!Dream, he's so much fun to draw.
Your c!Dream is such a wild design and I love the gremlin energy. ToT
@@MaliMalware haha thank you XD
Yeah your dream is fucking insane XD
@@Grimmijaggers out of all the different interpretations of Dream, yours is by far the creepiest and most villainous. With his constant smile, you knew that even with nothing, his silvery tongue would save him.
YEP!
I have been watching the dream smp for so long, and I honestly love dream as a villain, and the desperation in his voice when the nuke came down, made me like his character a little more, but also Tommy is a traumatized gremlin child…
Tommy's a troll.
Dream tormenting Sam in the prison is a MASTERCLASS in manipulation
It’s a shame that nothing became of season 2 of the dsmp, which was due to many factors, such as technoblades passing - which made creators like Phil, Niki and Ranboo pull back, everyone being busy with their own thing, dreams grooming allegations and him very poorly addressing them
Hi! Just wanna let you know that he did adress the allegations but he can't speak on it in depth while taking legal actions
Plus one of the girls who accused him was caught lying and privated her Twitter account when people taught her how to get more credible evidence
And the other woman who accused him was recently outted as a horrible monster who was gr**ming and encouraging SH and ED on a 13 year old child. Said child is currently in the process of filling more Police reports because when they did it the first time, the Police didnt take them seriously, but now they're having massive support from people in the Minecraft community to seek out justice again. And the child also has evidence that their abusers accusations against Dream were fabricated. They're working on a doc to show it all
That blooper death with Dream and Tommy could have been worked around SO easily, and been such a great moment, if Dream revived him with the book as he was actively threatening he would do in the first place ("kill you and then revive you and then kill you and then revive you again"). Would have been a perfect validation of the threat. You thought you could get out of this that easily, Tommy?
God you’re so right that would have worked fantastically… but that said I’m kinda glad they didn’t because the moment is so fucking funny as is. XD
I both love and hate the panic in c!Dream’s voice before the nuke hits them, there’s no manipulation, no trying to intimidate Tommy, just pure panic.
“Oh hi dad, Bye dad! RIP Wilbur.” That line got me
I hope we get more Wilbur. The antagonists of the SMP are truly iconic.
I'm not a c!Dream apologist, more like symphathizer and enthusiastic, because even if he had done bad things, I can say that his character is so intriguing and complex. We barely had any POV lore stream of this man, but I think this kind of storytelling works for c!Dream. We could only see and judge him from the eyes of the other characters, yet if we analyze deeper down, we could start to understand his side of story too.
If I were him and then there is a gremlin child starts to break rules, ruin things and provoke wars, I would be really frustrated too, especially when the said child almost never listens to me and doesn't learn his mistakes. Then there is another guy who wants to make a drug empire aka L'manburg, who creates factions and separates ideology (and the fact that Wilbur is American, how dare he, I thought it was supposed to be a bunch of British people). Ain't no way I'm letting it happen. Not when the server was supposed to be a place to have fun and a simple community of Greater SMP.
But I admit, Dream's wanting of control had become an obsession, not to mention his obsession of uncovering the knowledge beyond life and death after he possesed the revival book. It all started went downhill and Dream's decend to madness is similar to Wilbur's. I was so upset by the Prison arc, because he suffered a lot in his cell. Why can't he have rehabilitation instead? It's better than occasionally starved and torturing him everyday (looking at you, Sam and Quackity). His mental condition could've been improved and he might have tried to become a better person! But nooo, even Puffy thinks he doesn't deserve therapy like wtf lady he clearly needs it! Does isolating himself from everyone seems mentally healthy to you?! It upsets me so much to the point I made two fanfictions about him healing, one with the Syndicate and the other is a crossover with Sirius Black cause they have a lot in common.
But anyway, he's an excellent villain/antagonist.
He did torture a child and revel in his own evil… though his motivations are understandable, he is not redeemable.
I do find the prison conditions morally horrifying, and no one deserves to be tortured like Dream was. Though I will say that Quackity and Sam are both treated as villains by the story for these reasons.
And where could I find those fanfictions? I think it could be interesting. And I see your point, to be honest, I like all the characters.
I mean to be fair.. he did abuse a child in almost every way possible and Sam even states that Dream tells him what he did to Tommy. While he didn't deserve to be tortured, he in no way deserves to have the chance at rehabilitation, I mean like the first thing he did after escaping was to go torment Tommy again.
I was a c!Dream apologist but mostly because I wanted a redemption arc of him and Tommy realizing they started from the same standpoint but while Tommy chose to grow in a positive way Dream chose the destructive way and I wanted that hurt to be acknowledged as much as Tommy's. REDEMPTION ARC
Although I was alright with the concept of "he went to far there is no turn back" too, that one was just sadder.
Urm... I was a c!Dream apologist up until after the first L'manburg war because (as you said) he was trying to create order and he had tried democratically but it didn't work so, y'know.... War.
BUT he completely lost all my sympathy the second he decided that torturing a kid in basically every way possible was okay. NO matter what Tommy had done in the past, he did not deserve what he got in Exile and afterwards. For gods sake, it's cannon that he beat the kid to death with what's basically a blunt object. As someone who was threatened with that sort of violence, it's not a pretty way to die - it would have hurt a shit ton.
Plus, the first thing he did when he escaped prison was try to torture Tommy again via death, then revival, then death again, etc. Tommy had already described how it felt - like his body was being ripped to a million pieces and it's obvious his character has PTSD from it considering he has explained that he starts shaking when he's even in a planes biome because of what Dream has done to him.
I apologise, but Dream is totally irredeemable. He doesn't deserve support for his actions, nor does he deserve any sort of therapy - my god the man is the CAUSE of half of the people Puffy has had to heal. It's clear his character, even if given the chance, would not try to better himself because this narrative he has created in his head to make his actions justifiable has twisted to his own horrific morality.
And my god, I neither agree nor disagree as to whether or not he deserved Prison Arc - I agree that he deserved to be isolated and alone - as that's what he tried to do to many others and my god that man needs to pay for his crimes - but no living thing deserves torture (though I know many who believe he does considering he's tortured others).
Think of it this way, imagine your best friend - or sibling - was forcibly isolated physically, then mentally and physically abused everyday to the point of hallucinations, then was convinced no one cared about them, then was punched to death as they screamed for it to stop, got revived after being stuck with another abuser in a black void for months, and finally was then terrorized by that person when they escaped their confines.
I don't know, if it was me I'd personally want that person to be dead. I mean, wouldn't you?
LMAO sorry i don't know why I wrote this much.
One other aspect that I really liked about Dream's character is that he actually won sometimes. And he seemed so conniving that the one time he most definitively "lost" people were speculating that he didn't actually lose and that it was all part of his plan. He built the prison for himself. And even at the finale, when the nukes detonated, his goal was achieved. And due to us not seeing things from his perspective, we don't know if that was part of his plan or not either.
I have a personal headcannon for thinking dream getting arrested and put in prison was actually part of his plan:
In a way, Dream's main motivation was to stop all of the infighting on the server and to stop all of the wars. To that extent, he succeeded temporarily when he got arrested. He turned literally everyone on the server against him, gave them all a common enemy, and for that one moment when everyone came through the portal to rescue Tommy and Tubbo, there was peace. Everyone was united. There was no longer an "Us vs them" dynamic between the Americans and the Brits or anyone else. Instead it was simplified to "Us vs Dream" or rather "1 man vs literally everyone else". It suddenly became a more directed threat that everyone agreed needed to be dealt with, so they did.
Dream succeeded to that extent :)
C!Dream scares the shit out of me sometime, I start to feel bad for what C!Tommy had to go through daily
It's a shame that season 2 was cancelled.
I would have loved to see where they would have went if Technoblade didn't die.
RIP Technoblade
Dream's character is trully a villain who was finnaly stopped way too late.
Amazing that I come across this video after finding a collection of few Dream SMP metas I made, and a couple of lists of ones I wanted to. I had a Dream SMP blog (that I ended up deleting) I think two years back after vaguely following the series, and man I remember how much fun it was to just completely pick apart this asinine little series. c!Dream had been my favorite of the cast, so most of my focus settled on him and his relationships with others. Unfortunately, the analysis community in the DSMP fandom was of course mostly composed of children, and whoo boy! As a grown man of 20, it was not fun to be there, so I left. Analysis is not moral praxis kiddos, remember that! Ah, but this video is a good bit of nostalgia. Also love girlbossing compilation. Iconic as the man himself.
The speedstory had me absolutely dying from laughter. Best way to let someone understand the f-ing mess that the DSMP is in as little time as possible. LOVED IT
... Mali your powers of persuasion are terrifying. I was avoiding dream stuff cuz i didn't think there was anything worth while in it and now I'm like damn.... Maybe i have to go watch shit now.
Fantastic video.
C!Dream is one of the best villains in fiction.
Never have I enjoyed the villain so much.
he WAS
Pfff okay…. Whatever floats your boat..😊
Can i ask a question? I'm not in the fandom so i don't know this but what does "C!" Mean? I'm assuming it means "canon" but i'm not sure. Anyways I don't know much about him but from what i'v seen he seems pretty cool
@Acorn905 It most often stands for Character in this context.
However it can also mean Cannon seeing as some people use the letter! Format to differentiate between different AU’s as well.
But generally speaking c!name means character in these fandom spaces. Where cc!name means content creator.
Hope that helps! :D
I had no idea this kind of stuff was a thing, now I wanna be part of something like this
dang I know nothing about dsmp and really don't want to *rolls away* (nice animation tho)
Valid, thanks for stopping by anyways! XD
I had no idea you were a dsmp fan!! This is legit so fun! Absolutely love the animation!!!
THIS WAS AN AMAZING VIDEO!!!! I love how much you clearly love c!Dream’s character :D
I have such a deep appreciation for him and his tangled psyche and deep down good-in his own misguided way-motivations. He manages to be scary and a joy to watch on screen in a way I feel you don’t see a whole lot, and it’s fucking rad. I love to hate him while also indulging in the thrill of watching the pieces he’s laid out fall into place in a twisted but satisfying manner (I’m so glad you touched on the form of media it takes allowing for a genuine and natural aspect that most other mediums can’t achieve just by their nature, it’s one of my favorite things about dsmp). It’s sad that we now know we aren’t getting a season 2, I’ll miss it dearly, but I’m glad it was able to wrap up in a satisfying way (to me, at least) and give us closure before that.
One critique though: I know it’s probably just cus you wrote the script before the finale, like you said, but the thing about the prison being built for tommy isn’t true. As is confirmed in the finale, the prison was intended to house dream all along, as a form of protection for both him and punz (something that…. half worked lol). The prison being built for tommy was just a useful narrative dream allowed to exist to further direct suspicion away from his true plans. I’m sure you know this but thought I’d point it out just in case!
Jack was one of my favorite characters in the dsmp
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS IN TUMBLR FOR FOREVER, THANK YOU
I really liked your analysis on this one and would love to see where you take this going forward. It gave me a new perspective to look at the events in canon. Also, Ranboo canonized their chat as well. We are the ender particles that followed them around :)
What a fun video, I especially love the animations! Looking forward to the SMP ^^~
I remember when the Dream SMP was getting increasingly popular I didn't really think anything of it. I mostly just dismissed it as another server where a bunch of friends hung out and well played Minecraft. That is until one day my friend messaged me and went on about the Lore going on in the series. My introduction to said war was when George slept through a war? It's a little fuzzy nowadays. And sure enough thanks to my friend's fixation I too got got sucked into the lore. To the point of creating my own character to exist and interact with the canon characters and my friend's own character. I still play around with them even if they're no longer a DreamSMP oc and instead exist in their own Minecraft world where they adopted a mushroom child. No context allowed.
while i don't agree that exile was at all tommy's fault, the rest of this video is really good and i enjoy it a lot. i don't get to see much good come out of the dsmp nowadays. thank you
The drawing you did of dream looks amazing
The “_____ took that personally” makes me wanna just giggle and laugh
Damn it Mali, I completely spaced how good this series was....Now I'm falling back into the hole that is the Dream SMP with it's lore and characters. XDDD Seriously though Dream is such a good villain and I loved the Dream SMP, and may techno never die in our hearts. o7
Bill Cyfer and dream a match made in hell😍😍
Finally woke up and watch the whole and... 🚬 not bad (for reals it's amazing work and I'm now interested into the Dream SMP story)
"DYING COUCHING NOISES"
The people that know about the PLAN be like 😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭
Mal "You drama vultures can roll elsewhere.."
Me *glances at the lenght* but you're gonna talk for over a half hour and I like hearing you talk... :C
this absolutely blows my mind, this is so well done , good work !
This makes my little brain wanna talk about the topic and relevant topic but I don’t wanna clog up the comment section so I’m going to make a bunch of random comments and just shove them in here in a number order because yes, also this was made through the course of this whole video and stuff. (Also every name here is referencing the canon character not the actual people)
1, I struggle to take the DSMP lore to seriously when it comes to the L’Manburg arc because the name L’Manburg makes me giggle
2, “he also struggles from crippling anxiety so uhh” relatable
3, love the fact how in the arc where Wilbur was a traitor the question “Who’s the traitor?” was asked and Wilbur raised his hand, everyone thought it was a joke, it wasn’t but cool story.
4, weird stuff I think is canon but am not 100% sure! Dream and Schlatt either f*cked or got married then got a child, who was that child? Conner… that guy that stole Tommy’s house repeatedly…
5, “Tommy almost commited die” made my brain go OYASUMI, OYASUMI, I KNOW THAT IT’S HARD TO DOOOOO, OYASUMI, OYASUMI- (I could write the whole song lyrics if I wanted to, don’t test me)
6, the urge I have to just like write a redemption arc for Dream is insane… I tried but I didn’t like it and this makes me wanna just you know… try and write it again but that’s fine I can handle that (I’m about to crack, I already have uhm… f*ck… there BG… AN… SC… that’s three of them… gimme a minute… okay! So there’s uhm I gotta name these suckers so I can list them gimme a second, BG, AN, SC, WDI, PostAN, CR, CS and SACC [that name was unintentional trust me bro] so that’s uh 8, I don’t want a 9th… you know what yes, yes I do I’m probably gonna write a concept somewhere on my phone)
7, why does Punz and Dream have not regular bestie behaviour? Either it’s just Punz or some sh*t but him always being on Dream’s side even though his reason for Dream not paying him more (to my knowledge) was true he just went with the phrasing but pretended it was a lie so I wouldn’t be surprised if Punz didn’t tell Dream about how Punz had a reason to do with his job of working with whoever pays him more to betray Dream but he didn’t, that’s not normal bestie behaviour, I have unintentionally done that to my crush who is my first ever friend (I could go into that form of dependentcy so f*cking much it’s insane, you know just think of Basil and Sunny from Omori and I’m Basil and my friend’s Sunny and our situation is less intense so keep that in mind)
8, AAHHHHHHHH TECHNO IS BEST CHARACTER FR FR
9, I kin Dream to some degree, not fully just relate to the “I will what ever to not be alone and I will manipulate to get my way” except the final bit is half true because a few years ago I did manipulate and guilt trip someone so they wouldn’t leave me… yeah I hate the fact I did that…
10, this made me laugh so many times especially the lore speedrun, I find it absolutely hilarious because of how dry my f*cking humour is
11, Dream is like a favourite character of mine, like I’ve seen genderbend fan art of Dream (by Grimmijaggers) and you know… red is my second favourite colour…
12, the depiction of trauma is so f*cking good, I’m gonna use Tommy and Dream as examples. Tommy knows he’s traumatised and his reactions are of someone with severe PTSD to do with so many things that make sense such as TNT and violence, his reactions are absolutely heart wrenching. Now you may be think “WhAt dO YoU mEan DrEAm???” well, in my interpretation he has a form of PTSD, the amount that effects him depends on 2 things, 1, the extent you believe he was tortured and 2, if you think he realises he is traumatised. In my opinion he doesn’t even realise he has PTSD, I dunno what it is but like AAHHHHH also I know having trauma or mental illness doesn’t excuse actions especially to his degree, it makes it a tiny bit understandable. That’s why people hate villains being very human, it shows them that they have the chance of becoming just like that character, I’ve only now realised that I can be a bit similar to Dream in some aspects and it’s kinda terrifying how I in a way if I don’t manage myself I can become a villain, though I won’t ever get to the extent of Dream I still have had moments where I am a bit like the character.
13, the amount I have gotten into light arguments with my brother because Tubbo didn’t do sh*t he’s a cool guy, he’s best characters
37:42 yes he is. C!Tommy is not a villain, he is a victim. And 90% of the conflicts that people said he started were actually started by someone else, and he was roped in, And then blamed for it. He never acted on his own without being first provoked either (and the other server members sure liked to provoke him a lot. Like repeatedly destroying his house despite griefing being against the rules, and then everyone always complains that tommy is the one who destroys everything)
He is a child surrounded by adults who do nothing but blame him for everything bad that happens. Why is it that when tommy griefs, or pulls a prank, or sets a fire (even if its an accident), it's an irredeemable offense that he deserves to be harshly punished for, but when literally EVERYONE ELSE (and yes, I really mean that) does the exact same thing, its fine and no one cares? Tommy was never any more chaotic than anyone else on the server, discounting his very first day on the server I suppose. Nothing he ever did was worthy of the harsh punishment he received. And its certainly not his fault that dream became a monster. Dream only became a monster because of his obsession with total control, which he couldn't have over tommy, because tommy never listened to him (and why should he? Dreams literally not the boss of him).
c!Tommy did a lot of messed up things though. They ALL did also, c!Tommy isn't a child, he is a teenager.
@@killuanatsume which is a child. And yes, they've all done messed up stuff, as all people do. The problem is the HUGE double standard with c!tommy. Everyone seems to hold him to a higher standard than everyone else, and makes a note of every bad choice and mistake he's ever made, using that as justification for some of the horrible things that have happened to him, but when almost the entire server has done the exact same things (often more than once), its perfectly fine. People can burn down and destroy Tommy's house as a joke and its so funny and no one cares. But if tommy and Ranboo (remember tommy didn't act alone) accidentally burn down georges house, hes given the worst possible consequence imaginable and everyone turns against him. Everyone blames all the servers problems on him, as if he's somehow in control of everyone else when they choose to perpetuate the cycle of retaliation when someone makes them mad. He's certainly not responsible in ANY WAY for dream becoming the way he is, c!dream is a grown ass man who has beef with an actual child and is so bothered by the fact that said child doesn't want to listen to him that he has to systematically take everything he ever loved away from him. and even that was never enough.
@@liz_merr1003 And yet, c!Tommy says the same thing about c!Dream. Like yeah, he did mess up a lot but he isn't responcible for everything bad that happened on the server.
@@killuanatsume except for the fact that he literally is. Well, he may not be the cause of every single little personal conflict between every character, but nearly every single major conflict within the server (once wilbur joined and they all started properly roleplaying and planning out their story) leads back to c!dream. He manupulated people, sometimes in subtle ways, just to nudge them in the direction he wants them to go. C!dreams entire schtick is that he manufactures conflict just so he can watch the chaos unfold, which is something he's explicitly said more than once. He plays every side and manipulates everyone to get what he wants, and he always has a backup plan ready. C!dream doesnt just make mistakes like the other characters do, he is actively malicious nearly 100% of the time and does things for the sole purpose of causing harm. Its not a case of a generally good person making bad choices now and then, he's literally evil. He may not have been at the very beginning of the server when they weren't seriously roleplaying, but once that all got started, he quickly fell into the villain role, and cc!dream was doing it intentionally. He wanted his character to be a bad guy, he wanted him to be evil. He never made any effort to make his character redeemable or give him an understandable reason for doing what he's doing. And no, bringing "order" to the server is not an understandable or valid reason, seeing as he has no authority or power to control what other people do or think. The excuse of "the ends justify the means" isn't valid either, considering the "ends" is supposed to be peace according to dream, but the "means" to achieving said piece is turning people against each other and taking the things they value most, and taking every possible opportunity to escalate all the conflicts he comes across. Hes genuinely evil and its much more valid to say that he's the cause of all the servers problems than it is to say that tommy is.
@@liz_merr1003 I don't think either of them is the cause of all the servers problems, I think all the characters put together are because each of them are the cause of some problem so put together they are the cause of everything.
This was such a well put together video!! You covered everything so well!
Why do I feel like I’ve watched this before? Oh yeah I watched it like 7 months ago, forgot, remembered then forgot and didn’t have a UA-cam account! 10 out of 10 I remember some stuff I might edit this when I’m done watching
It's so nice to see a video that looks into one of the lots of great characters of the dsmp. Even if I don't agree with everything you've said ( dreblr moment- call me an apologist, enthusiast whatever. Understands but doesn't excuse) it was a very nice watch. Thank you for making this!
I use ad blockers, so I can't really tell. Guys, is Mali putting ads on her video and getting good money from this? This is way too much effort to not be loading this shit with ads and getting a good amount of ad revenue from. If it doesn't have a lot of ads, please bully her into putting more ads on the video so she gets the money she deserves for making good content, thanks.
I was good I swear! I enabled ads on this one!
@@MaliMalware If there's not an ad for every 2-5 minutes on this video it's not enough
Me realizing in 2024 that it was all scripted...
He did play a pretty good villain tho.
Im not gonna get into whats going on now but like...It was fun to whatch this retrospecktiveley.
Phenomenal in every sense. You should be proud.
So I guess this is why there's so much fanfiction about dream..? I just thought it was super creepy rpf was getting so popular but now it makes sense.
i really love this video, this analysis of cdream is amazing and i love it. I enjoyed it so much as a fan of c!dream, i just love villan charathers, thank you so much
Gosh mali you're such a talented artist
Love this video, it’s a great character analysis and I’d love to see more like this, keep up the good work
like fr??!! i liked DSMP for the actually good story then bum all of them are weird asf?? Quackity and Wilbur had some great ideas for the story and just????Ssajgdhfaajdh??? too much thoughts
I hope you do a video on Eret c: I adore their arc!
Steve kill martin luther king and freddy and dream work to stop the new zealand to go to the moon
I LOVE THE ANIMATION :0000
I’m glad to not be the only one to find Wilbur appealing
9:02 , 9:50 & 10:47
What is the name of those two vids
(It's fine if u can't remember)
watchinhg you talkin abt dsmp makes me so happy
I truly don't get how anyone was invested in Dream SMP. My whole thought process was "it's just a Minecraft server"
and truly I think that's why I can't get into this, but I get super into stuff like Dimension20, Critical Roll, TAZ Balance.
because at the end of the day it's a minecraft server even in Canon, so the worst case scenario is you get banned.
it's not a character like in The D&D podcasts mentioned above, the character Tommy is acting as, is still just a guy playing minecraft,
so when they're all like "this sucks im sad" All Im thinking is "then join a new server since this owner is being such a piece of trash".
Peace to those who like it, and the animations by SAD-ist are so good!!, but I'll just never get the love for this series,
I guess we now know who the puppet master was.
Certified dream moment
I just can't take it seriously because it's minecraft. Like, a game where you are a block person building blocky things with blocky materials. Maybe I've just been spoiled with really good villians, but Dream just doesn't scare me.
As much as I enjoyed the lore, I really hope it doesn't continue. Like a lot of the creators said, it wouldn't feel right to continue the same series without Techno. Even if they renamed it and hosted it by someone else, it would feel much better.
POGGERS
this is going to drag me back into the fandom and I don't like it-
watch arcane it has better villian than u seen in the decade
I LOVE ARCANE DONT YOU FRET ♥️
Dream surrendered all he loved by choice so it’s kind of his own fault that he’s alone
It's terrifying how dream acted like a pyschopath and had his fans bully anyone who dared question his story when he cheated in minecraft. It's also pretty scary how he didn't give a single fuck what he did was wrong and his community didn't held him accountable for when he admitted to it when the time was convenient.
Bro just let it go. No one cares for old minecraft cheating drama 💀
How long can you seperaten art from artist?
Depends on the art, the artist and the audience. Everyone else’s cut off point is different so it’s hard to say. Dream is easy for me because of how obvious the collaborative nature of the project is, to dismiss cDream and the DSMP because of Dream would also be dismissing all the other creators that worked on the project and for me creator Dream has not hit a point where I would consider that necessary.
Eh, dreamsmp is more like scripted pro wrestling then actual sport.
This is still cringe to me, but I'm glad y'all can find enjoyment in it.
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Sorry, but your avi is so cute!. Also great video
This being a really well made and enjoyable video VS it including some major lore inaccuracies 🥲