Dream isn't the villain of the DreamSMP
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- Dream isn’t this villain of the DreamSMP. This a theory on Dream’s DreamSMP character just for fun!
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A character deep dive on Dream in the DreamSMP. I explore how Dream might not actually be the villain to the DreamSMP
-Time stamps-
Intro: (0:00)
Before Tommy: (0:25)
First conflict: (0:38)
Lmanburg: (2:02)
Lmanburg election: (3:20)
George’s house: (4:59)
Exile: (6:40)
Tommy at Technos: (7:18)
Community house: (8:15)
The final disc war: (9:43)
Dream prison: (11:26)
Quackity: (12:45)
Prison break: (13:40)
The future of the smp: (15:07)
Conclusion: (15:37)
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Funny how a war that kept affecting a lot of future events on the SMP started cuz Ponk griefed Sapnap's house.
It’s so crazy
How am I the only one who replied
Wait i thought it was because tommy burnt down ponks lemon tree ;-;
@@lunar_edits6173 Tommy didn't burn down Ponk's lemon tree, Sapnap did that alone. The video was incorrect.
@@i.j.dragonfly3123 Tommy and Sapnap both burnt down ponk's lemon tree. Tommy helped Sapnap.
When my friends ask me the question about who is the bad guy in the Dream Smp, I always tell them that everyone is the bad guy. And when they tell me that Dream is the bad guy I say yes he is, but so is everyone else. The Dream smp is a server of Villains, but with most villains agree on a common enemy.
True!
Have we been watching the same narrative?
If you only watched this video, it cut out a lot of the stuff Dream did.
@@vanairnas exactly. And straight up lies about others. If you ask me This video isn’t an opinion someone actually has. This is an idea that someone tells people outside the fanbase just so they can go “wHEll ActuALlY!” But in actual actuallity its not supported by the story, the writers or even common sense.
If you ask me.
As someone who watched all the lore
Dream is the reason some people are even seen as villains. Technoblade destroying lmanburg was dreams fault. Everything is literally dreams fault. Tf do you mean everyone's a villain? Dreams clearly the only villain except for schlatt and kinda Wilbur.
inndigos: "dream didn't say anything"
dream: "DON'T KILL ME I HAVE REVIVAL BOOK"
After he'd been murdered twice (while unarmed and everybody stood around watching) and the little murderer was going to take his final life.
@@Raggmopp-xl7yf no shit dream abused him his crime list consists of Child abuse, torture, causing emotional distress, murder, genocide , mass genocide, use of WMDs, necromancy, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, identity theft, terrorism, RNG manipulation, mistreatment of a POW, destruction of public and private property , stalking of a minor, pubic nudity, nudity Infront of a minor, planned abduction, manipulation of a MP, Treason on 7 accounts, prison break and abuse of power. u really think tommy taking 2 of his lives will ammount to the trauma he put tommy, tubbo, ranboo and all of l'manburg throught
@@isabellemelvin7051 So did everyone else. It was a server of homicidal maniacs that sent the Admin over the edge when he invited them and gave them 3 rules. I'll say it again. Dream's Server, Dream's Rules. If they didn't like it they could leave.
I love how you explained Dream's point of view and I honestly agree. Dream is not a villain but he's not a good guy, he was trying to find peace but he did do some horrible things to try and reach this goal.
Also, you missed how dream actually planned to be put into the prison. His dialogue with Punz proves this
They missed a lot if things..
@@yellow-ish4200 Tommy almost committing suicide, using people as test subjects, what ever the fuck is going on with ranboo, willing to kill literally anyone if he thinks it will benefit him
@@marlinazul7786 in addition I'm pretty sure that the actual dream wants that !cdream is the most irredeemable villain he can imagine. All of what !cdream says is there in order to make people hesitate, be manipulate and give him information or things they said that he can than use against them when the time is right.
An easy example is that before he has been tortured that he claimed he "changed" and wouldn't do any harm to anyone if they forgave him and that he hopes they'll consider setting him free but when Tommy tried to use those claims against him when they were stuck together he let this phasade crack and admitted that he'll take revenge on anyone who wronged him starting with Tubbo etc.. The same way he used the revival book as a lavage but than admitted that he'll never use it to help any of Tommy's friends when it wasn't convenient anymore to claim otherwise.
!cdream is MEANT to be the villain. He ist meant to be irredeemable through his actions and all the things he claims are his good intentions are there to bring people to hesitate and abusing the fact that the other people's obviously had done bad things too which is an easy thing to do with Tommy even so he actually always tried to do the same thing when he realized his mistakes, his friends are actually important to them and he tried to do better. Tommy is a perfect target because he has also done so much bad which is also a reason why not all people will be on his side and it's easier to turn people against him. Even those he trusted (like Tubbo) through other responsibilities. It's like the joker who abuses an already existing currupted police system. The curruption in the police is ALSO a problem but it's turned into a new extrem when it's being abused by the joker.
!cDream isn't the only bad person on the server and he didn't deserve torture he just deserved and ENDING death (limbo is an awful concept but a great story device) so others are finally save from him.
That's my take on him.
@@Kino_Cartoon nobody cares. Go away lol your just too biased
@@user-wx2cd4jh2k I care
i think that whoever’s perspective you watch is the “good guy” so if you watch quackity techno is an unbound anarchist that just wants chaos, while if you watch technos perspective, quackity is a tyrant obsessed with power, but because dream nearly never posts his perspective he is seen as the villain
And that's why we have analysts :D
I have watched all perspectives and made a video about this too and agreed with this youtuber that dream is the good guy he even said it him selves he does this for peace
@@superclark07 nah he said he's a bad guy and he doesn't care
@@fredar1217 sure bud if he don’t care then why would he say he doing all this stuff to get the people friends over objects of a game while he was helping build the prison
@@superclark07 dude he literally said he was a bad guy in the stream when he visited Sam
Dream is the embodiment of "The ends justify the means" Everything he ever did was for a peaceful end, but it led him down a less peaceful path to achieve it.
You did forget to add the part where C!Dream faked his own defeat. After the events of Jailbreak, C!Punz and C!Dream met up and talked. Turns out he never betrayed C!Dream and the plan was for him to have broken out ages ago.
The Dream SMP lore summed up in 2 quotes:
“Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
"The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose."
-James Baldwin
Very nice.
More than one probably no fun
- ranboos grandma
Nice quotes
If dream really didn't want Tommy to create chaos on the smp then he could have had him banned in the beginning
@@untitledproduction5153 The dream smp stuff is staged ofc. I remember this being revealed.
Id love to see you do a deep dive of technoblade
That would be fun!
NGL A Ranboo one would be pretty pog too!
Watch his skywars videos
Trueee
AGREED
I never thought Dream was a bad guy- he’s kind, and just wanted peace. And he had to take some drastic steps. TOMMY is the reason everything went into flames
Yeah, but that’s from Dream’s perspective, and this video mostly talked from Dream’s perspective. I am going to be so honest, if you’ve seen the whole Tommy’s perspective, your opinion will completely change.
@@keikoizawa8104 meh they both did a lot of bad things, but it really was Tommy who started the whole thing, like sure he wasn’t to blame with everything but there were definitely moments where he kept the conflict going. And yeah I’ve watched his videos too and I don’t hate Tommy he can be pretty funny but there’s no denying he’s chaotic. Like the first thing he did when he joined the server was going around labeling other peoples houses and property as his lol. Then he burnt down ponks lemon tree at some point. And an example of when he could have just let the conflict/fighting stop was when he traded his discs for l’manburgs independence. Like he gave them away willingly. But then later tried to steal them back. That was like signing a peace treaty and then ripping it to shreds. They got what they wanted, they had independence there was no reason for him to just take them back. Sorry I’m probably rambling by now. Fair warning it’s like 3am right now so I probably won’t even remember I wrote this in the morning lol.
@@ShotoTodoroki-qs3ip I see that many people try to bring "Tommy stared it all." Yes, that is true but really, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Why? That's because we're talking about who caused the most problems in the SMP.
I am going to give The L'Manburg's Independence war was an example. Dream declared the war because he thought that L'Manburg would cause chaos later in the server. Well, I couldn't really see the point of this war since they could've just kept being peaceful. The point here that I'm trying to say is that, Dream had a little selfishness because L'Manburg was just a tiny part of his SMP and there was no reason to destroy L'Manburg.
You said that Tommy tried to steal back the discs after he gave it to Dream after the war. Well, do you understand how much he liked that disc? Remember that he just HAD to give away the discs in order to protect L'Manburg. Again, this leads to my first statement that Dream started the war for particularly no reason. It makes sense that he wants to get back his discs because he was upset that he had to give away the discs just to protect L'Manburg independence, but the war would've never happened if Dream just didn't decide to do it.
My final conclusion is this. IF I had to pick ONLY one villain in the Dream SMP, it would probably be Dream. Just like you said, Tommy did continue the conflict, but Dream punished him even more. The damage that Dream caused to the server has to be bigger than the damage that Tommy (and everyone else of course) caused to the server.
If you watch the Dream SMP from beginning to end, the lines in the sand are clear.
Dream starts off as a dictator who declares war on a peaceful country, and he only gets worse. Tommy starts off as a troublemaker, and he becomes the server’s greatest hero.
@@calvinjohnson6242 Nah, even though he is my favorite character, I just can’t call him a hero.
Yeah, it ends that Tommy did try to save the SMP for sacrificing his own life, at the very end. But do you remember that they talked a little bit before the “incident” happened?
They discussed why they were almost always against each other, and why we treated each other as an enemy from the beginning.
“Why can’t it just be simple again?”
Dream’s characteristics were better when the server started. It just got worse as the time passed.
All he wanted was a peaceful server in the beginning.
Dream definitely acknowledges himself as a villain at that time. But he just didn’t like that Tommy always tries to state that he is always in the right side.
The thing is, the only major problem with Tommy is that he never really had actually time to fully discuss with Dream, and he never really tried to understand his perspective the whole time.
Tommy’s existence was so annoying for Dream. He was the only person who didn’t listen to him no matter what he mostly says about. For Dream, Tommy was the one who always made the server fall apart.
That’s maybe one of the reasons why Dream couldn’t hide his villainy.
It was already too late. The “incident” was already about to happen. Tommy regretted his choice at the very last minute. You can tell it by his face expression.
Tommy and Dream’s relationship was very complex. They could’ve been friends from the very beginning. Turned out that they became the biggest enemies of each other, which is really sad but also disappointing.
Damn the ending was just like what u said he only wanted peace and every
thing to be peaceful again DAMNN
"You just wanted power.But the thing about this world tommy, that good things dont happen to Heroes" -Technoblade 2020
Somehow I feel like Technoblade's qoute during Manberg and Pogtopia war to tommy is more applicable to Dream
Wow I never thought of it like that, nice observation
100%
go get a life
@@themarxistfrog4504 wtf man?
@@morrborr8931 honestly, me too
Love how you explained the whole lore but from Dreams perspective
Nice argument though it skips over a few finer points like what's up with Ranboo and the issue of the egg. However it's possible that Dream at least started out with this purpose in mind. I think a parallel can be drawn between this idea of Dream and what's happened to Sam. In fact I think this theme happens to a lot of the characters so it makes sense that Dream's character would be one. I would add an argument for the whole "power corrupts" idea in that Dream power as the villain may have gone to his head.
Argument for the power going to his head part is that most of his super villian level stuff happens after he gets the revive book, which you don't really talk about.
Well now we know Dream was mind controlling Ranboo. So that’s more evil to add onto a lake of evil.
Therapist: Don't Worry, The DSMP Lore can't hurt you.
The DSMP Lore:
This started from a peaceful server just to play, to one of the most lore-filled servers in the entirety of minecraft.
*and i love it.*
There are no villains in this smp, only differents sides of the story lol
True!
Their all morally grey
Indeed
That's what makes it intriguing.
No. that doesn’t make sense 💀 dream is literally an awful person there is no different side of the story to him. You can’t fight on that.
6:50 ok, there is no excuse that can be used to defend dream's actions during the exile. Dream made tommy stay at a certain place, follow rigid rules when the only rule that tommy should follow was not to enter in l'manburg. Dream burned tommy's items, didn't let tommy go to other places, manipulated him into thinking that no one liked him and in the end, he blew up everything that tommy built in the exile. Tommy almost killed himself during the exile.
That's what I thinking
@@ninadoubravova139 me too
Or you just missed the fact that dream blew everything tommy built BECAUSE tommy was hiding his valueable things withing dream knowing. And that's forbidden. You clearly didn't watch the video by the fact that dream burn tommys valueable items because he can use them to break rules and possibly kill him once he is geared up. He didin't let tommy to go in any places because he can run away and hide. And kill dream.
It's basically just simple rules that he can follow. To put it simple
-tommy can't go outside of his place
-tommy must give his valueable items to dream for him to burn
And pretty much that's it
@@cubeguy2844 okay... and how does "oh ctommy would kill him" and "oh ctommy could run away"(he could as long as he didn't enter in l'manburg) justifies the abuse that ctommy suffered from cdream? Cuz like we did NOT watch the same minecraft server for you to defend cdream's actions
@@oliv3rsleepy why did Tommy break the rules, that's was his punishment and if dream didn't burn the stuff how would Tommy would've gotten punishment
This hits different after Tommy's finale
NOPE IT DOESNT STILL HATE HIM EVEN MORE
@@isabellemelvin7051 yes it does because what the finale was basically Tommy and Dream getting sick of doing bad things to each other and wanted everything to stop but at that point there was nothing they could do. Almost everyone hates them, gone insane, or doesn't care anymore.
In the end the peace they now wanted couldn't become true because everyone and everything was to far gone form what it was before everything.
Dream himself said cDream is the villain.
@@cupcake1q_Gacha But at least it ended in a good way. They wanted to just make the server “simpler” again, and it did, it restarted, all of the memories are gone, and they can start over.
I agree with c!dream up until tommy exile part... Before that he was heavily misunderstood like everyone considered him as a villain when he didn't let c!tommy and Wilbur start independent country on c!Dream's land for drugs. When he blew up lmanberg it was considered as a evil act while when wilbur and techno(in the later part) blew up lmanberg it was poetic and agreed upon. While Wilbur and tommy literally tried to assassinate the rightfully elected president with "if they can't have it no one can" mentality! Like tubbo was killed by techno for starting a new gov that was considered as "not evil" this is just something I don't understand he literally created an evil by doing that. In the end it's all about pov.
Dream's c! is so cryptic about everything and you don't get his pov so it's really hard to defend his actions!
[NOTE]- I don't support his actions during the exile part torturing a child and killing tommy in the prison.
And I understand that his c! is pure evil rn and he deserves to be in prison. But I like him out of the prison because the smp is so dull without him!
Edit- still he is my fav c! now but for different reasons!
The points in exile of blowing up his stuff I can understand to a point but I think that part would have ended but we don't know because Tommy ran away. But there is a lesson to learn if you are going to destroy other people's things why should your not be destroyed. Not to mention most people point to Dream keeping Tommy's friends away as the main problem for the exile and dream didn't do that. He once made Tubbo not show up for Tommy's party that's it. As for killing Tommy in the prison, there is reasonable doubt that Dream had mentally snaps as the person who had destroyed Dream's life was stuck with him in the small space and berated him any time Dream reminded him that Tommy would be stuck with Dream for a week. Then after all that a cat got into the cell and Dream connected with something after being isolated for so long and Tommy went and killed the cat with his bare hands. Not to mention Tommy was talking about the Revival Book was not real the only thing keeping Dream alive. So, either Dream killed Tommy to prove a point or because his mind completely snapped and Dream doesn't remember killing Tommy at all.
Not to make up reasons but at this point anyone who wants Dream's side of the story has to take everything the others say with the large grain of salt ever.
@@katyrjohnson1888 you really think his friend wouldnt let him escape
Dream...was CONTROLED by Nightmare when he tortured,exiled and killer Tommy...
I know imediately all the lore....
I hate that he is in prison for just wanting Peace....
@@katyrjohnson1888 agree for the prison and exile. There are reasons, in prison Tommy would just get out after 7 days (or they thought so) and tell everyone that revival book isn't real and EVERYONE would belive his JUST words, becasue they always do. And the Dream would be dead. I think this is pretty good argument to try to prove that revival book is real and well how do you prove it with as much materials as Dream had at that moment also being chased by the time..... peopel are so blind, you just need some common sense to figure tihs out. And its even more true becasue if Dream really wanted to kill Tommy earlier (just for giggles) he would have done so in the first day. I still think Exile was a try to teach Tommy that what he always does "grief and stole" hurt others so Dream did that to Tommy to show him how it is.. (but that just a theory)
Unfortunately, there are some factual inaccuracies and things being glossed over right from the very first section.
~There was conflict on the server before Tommy arrived. See Dream stealing George's armor because he didn't like that he had better equipment, or the Joffrey Trials.
~Tommy didn't burn Ponk's lemon tree. Sapnap did that alone, after Ponk pranked his house.
~Dream actually endorsed Jschlatt's presidential campaign, and encouraged Quackity in private messages to do the same. He only helped Pogtopia from the shadows so that he could play both sides and make sure that L'Manberg was destroyed. After Dream fought with Techno against L'Manberg on the 16th, he admitted outright that he wanted chaos to win the whole time.
~Dream, along with Puffy, attempted to frame Tommy for multiple griefings before the exile conflict began. The damage Tommy did was also very small compared to what others on the server had done previously, considering the burned roof was a complete accident and he tried to put out the fires as soon as he noticed them.
~Good job glossing over the emotional and physical abuse in exile, which was so severe that Tommy became suicidal.
~Good job glossing over Dream's canonical murder of Mexican Dream.
~Good job glossing over Dream stealing the invitations to Tommy's beach party after intentionally getting his hopes up, all so he could pretend to be Tommy's only friend and make him dependent on him.
~Good job glossing over Dream admitting multiple times that he had *fun* making Tommy's life miserable.
(Dude, exile was comic book levels of villainy. There are countless metas by abuse victims online describing how closely it matches their experiences. You can't spin Dream's actions there as anything other than cruel.)
~Dream didn't suddenly decide to destroy L'Manberg on Doomsday. He planned to do that from the very beginning. He admitted that he was only pretending to be Tubbo's friend the whole time so he could take the discs.
~Dream was showing signs of insanity long before he was tortured in Pandora's Vault. He killed Tommy simply to prove that the revive book was real and immediately declared himself a god. It was revealed in his latest lore video that he also murdered Vikkstar and Lazarbeam, two completely innocent people, so he could experiment on them before he went to prison. (I will say that what Quackity and Sam did was also horrible, and that two wrongs don't make a right.)
Dream might have had good intentions once upon a time, but many of the greatest villains start out with good intentions. Evil is as evil does, and Dream's actions have become worse and worse as time passes. Until he expresses remorse for hurting others and makes an effort to change for the better, he is very solidly a villain.
THSSS
god why are people so blind these days.
Me in my smp :
My friends broke the rules
Me be like:
killing everyone.
Your points are solid but it still doesn't make Dream the main villain since everyone still made a lot of mistakes
It's sort of like hes a method actor or whatever they're called where he played the role so long that he doesn't realize he has become a different person. Although in the end peace usually was the result for a short time whenever Dream was the only enemy.
valid points but i still think that there technically isn't a villain in the smp (:
I'm here to inform everyone that this theory is correct because if you have seen the recent lore streams from Tommys twitch or UA-cam aka his last stream, it says/shows what happened what at the beginning he only wanted things back to normal he also wanted to know the world around him, he didn't or try to acuse anyone
He still cause a lot of grief doing so and having Tommy just wanting to bury it under the bridge but the damage was already done
@@kakashi6957 Tommy had it coming.
@@AG-ff1kv compared to Dream's actions I think not
@@kakashi6957 I see where you're coming from, but like if Tommy had, #1 Not burn George's house down after his country was given independence, #2 Followed the 3 simple rules of the SMP, and #3 Stolen Dream's items then all of this could've been avoided.
All of what I said is lorewise, of course.
@@AG-ff1kv the thing is Dream one of the first rules anyway by killing sapnap cuz he had better armor and dream ending up breaking those three rules and did what Tommy did and more
you were right you were right YOU WERE RIGHT! 😝😵💫🥳
I always new dream was good
Bruh, no he wasn’t.
i disagree
I felt that a lot was left out. Dream had already started to go crazy before prison. He also manipulated Tubbo at the same time as Tommy. Saw a different video that described him as a sympathetic villan, I agree with that more.
Yes Dream are not the hero. But nőt the worst man. He has the idea of "greater good" and he wants a united server with any price. Tommy has nő reason for doing the things he did. He is griefing for fun. I know dream manipulated him but he had no other way.
@@barnabasszoke6499 is he’s not the worst who is?
@@marlinazul7786 It's complicated. In the race of the most villainous mans on the server the first would be a draw between Quackity Dream and Tommy
@@barnabasszoke6499 I'm sorry, but putting Tommy on the same level as Dream or Quackity is... laughable.
In what world is griefing and stealing, which every single person on the server *including Dream* has done, morally equal to: kidnapping, manipulation, torture, mass murder, targeted destruction of entire communities, and psychological abuse for personal amusement?
@@i.j.dragonfly3123 Tommy hesitated between his BEST friend and two items. Target destruction of entire communities? He didn't want to destroy the community he wanted to take back his own rightful land. Tommy: drug selling, griefing, living illegally somewhere, escaping from exile, trying to tell a person who trying to make a lawbreaking consequences. The only reason that Tommy didn't kill is that he is losing the real fights(Dream-Tommy duel, Tubbo+Tommy vs Dream). Dream didn't kidnap but tell me when did he if he did. Tommy did most of the stealing and griefing (You can say he gfriefed thrice but the first was on his own land bc L'Manberg wasnt independent yet.). Mass murder? Thats what war is about.
Are you not going to mention Dream didn't even allow him to do a simple thing like let Tommy see a Christmas tree when Tommy was thinking about committing suicide by jumping into lava • c • My sadistic man Dream asked Tommy what death felt like after he killed him.
Dunno if you'll see this, but I love the theory you have!
I was wondering if you could do Eret, since I don't see much on them in a while.
My theory is that Eret is Herobrine's kid, but that Dream knew about this because all his actions towards Eret was more like him trying to keep Eret away from the others and this makes sense because Foolish and Dream are canonical siblings so it would make sense that Dream knows the truth and others but they can't say anything and that gives the idea that there is a much bigger threat that is listening and waiting.
I'm just getting into the Dream SMP lore and you've been a huge help. This video is the only summary which isn't too long or too confusing 😁
I'm sorry to break it to you, but a lot of the information in this video is misleading or outright false. Most summaries from the fandom are extremely biased, and this one leaves out a lot of things to make Dream's character look better than he is.
If you want to get into the lore, I would suggest BlueberryTV's recap episodes as a good starting place. A few streamers have their own recap episodes as well. Or you can try the wiki, although not every page is finished.
@@i.j.dragonfly3123 Yeah, I was taking this video with a grain of salt. Thanks for the advice 👍
@@everythinggirly916 If you're ever looking for what this video got right and wrong there is a person who debunked this video?
yeah no dragonflys right they glossed over this mental and physical abuse also his entire crimes list which is below Child abuse, torture, causing emotional distress, murder, genocide , mass genocide, use of WMDs, necromancy, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, identity theft, terrorism, RNG manipulation, mistreatment of a POW, destruction of public and private property , stalking of a minor, pubic nudity, nudity Infront of a minor, planned abduction, manipulation of a MP, Treason on 7 accounts, prison break and abuse of power
I think there is something that has to be mentioned: Dream essentially is a villain. His objective is morally good, but his actions aren't.
Say you have a child, and you cannot afford enough food and money to live. Murdering the child would certainly solve the problem (legal consequences aside), but is it morally okay? Or are you the villain?
Up until the first war for independence, I would have agreed, but his strive for control make him corrupt and a bad person. Dream essentially is a greater example of what Sam has been doing.
@Lol95gamer Again, according to this video, he has good intentions, but the morally wrong methods to approach it.
@Lol95gamer Therefore a villain?
@Lol95gamer i agree
@Simi Saiye Well that are the only things dream can do to bring peace. You can't just talk it over, nobody will listen to him
I say the right term would be "Morally grey", like everyone else is
THIS! I firmly believe that his entire motivation is uniting the server. He confided in Punz that the end result of their plan was a “happy family”. Even Punz himself said that they would return the server to “how it was before”. His spiral is tragic, especially with his ends justify the means mindset, and throwing himself away in the process.
i don't agree with this. If you watch the youtube chanel game theory long enough, you start to realize that they begin to exaggerate and twist the story slightly to get to their end goal (sans is ness theory *cough cough*). If you think of yourself living a hundred years, a canon life is about 33 years on the dream smp. dream has taken (dreamhastaken lol) ALL THREE of tommy's canon lives, killed ghostbur, killed mexican dream, tortured a CHILD in exile after being betrayed by his best friend whom HE manipulated him to, and while you can say that tommy has been in nearly every single conflict on the server, GUESS WHO ELSE WAS ALSO IN THE CONFLICTS? DREAM. dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuh. :0 I'm a firm believer in the fact that mostly everyone in the dsmp is pretty evil, but dream is by far the worst.
I don't think kidnapping, torturing and killing Vikstar and Lazarbeam can be justified (or even explained) by Dream's supposed goal to reunite the server.
Other things that show that Dream is not just morally grey character but a straight up villain:
•When Sam asked Dream why he killed Ghostbur and brought Wilbur back, Dream said, "I wanted to torture Tommy."
•"You're too much fun."; "I'm playing with my food."; "I'm going to make your life a living hell." admitting this to Tommy to his face that he's just an entertainment and there's no other goal to abusing him but for the sick joy of it
•At the topic of Tommy, why would Dream go after him, setting trap in his house, try to capture him at Logstedshire after prison breakout, if his goal was reuniting the server? Tommy is not even doing anything, he just exists and lives. There are people that are far more disrupting of peace than he is
Borderline, is that he is a villain without all the big, dramatic words. Y'all really sound so close to a cdream apologist man. He did all that try to justify what he did was necessary and right but lmao he's just like any other serial killer in the world, thinking what they did was right even if they killed someone just because they so much as wipe their mouth wrong. And now he's strayed from his "path" and just wants to torture ppl for fun.
@@silentteyz2912 but the thing is that he has to traumatize everyone to get his "end goal" y'know. "The server can be a big family again" was what he said a few days before killing Tommy in the prison. I can't stand anyone who wants to defend him.
@@superrobloxer2587 Neither do I can understand why people try to excuse pr sympathize with c!Dream after all what he has done. He's a great villain - very enjoyable - so just sit back and appreciate the acting of cc!Dream who was able to nail such a immoral character
“dream only wanted to play with his friends for fun”
dude he made the script
THE MOMENT I SAW THE THUMBNAIL I KNEW IT WAS A DREAM STAN
I feel like at some point in the story they need to do lore that shows that c!Dream is still human. A human that has done horrible, twisted things. But so is c!Quackity, c!Wilbur, and so many other people on the server. Yet, none of them get painted as the bad guy.
its cause of how the people of the server see them and how they look at their POV
For c! Quackity he isnt a villain He is a anti villain
@@audyi.siregar7713 no, he’s still a villain himself.
@@catfish64115 proof?
Mostly because (well C!Wilbur is kind of debatable) C!Quackity has a somewhat valid reason, C!Dream doesn’t. From what we’ve seen (I’m saying this because not much of Dream’s POV has been revealed if you wanna cut out the revival book video) he does it for fun.
*The road to Hell is paved with good intentions*
Yes!
this quote is very accurate in many situations.
I want to now about quackity's deep lore! Also I love this vid♡ you are amazing and smart☆ I love how you see everybody's character. ♡ THIS is such a lovely video ♡
uh you shouldn’t excuse the abuse? mentally and physically. C!Dream didn’t NEED to emotionally manipulate c!Tommy or physically abuse him. He wanted C!Tommy to be alone and wanted him to feel some sort of pain. More like break C!Tommy’s spirits? C!Dream isn’t the only villain but he still is an important one. C!Dream went off the deep end after while and now he is a maniac. /rp /dsmp
I think you should watch the final stream of dream smp season 1
@@seemasrivastava3991 bro I posted this 7 months ago lol obviously my views have changed a bit tho I haven’t really had motivation to watch final lore streams so sorry if my views here turned out wrong. Just what I thought a couple months ago.
@@seemasrivastava3991 Dream wanting friends doesn't justify anything he did, he's still a bad guy
@@entirelytoxic Oh no its fine I was joking any way. No need to say sorry
@@pandasrcoolll7587 I am not saying that he is not bad the point is that so is everyone. Nobody is the villain and nobody is the hero
This is very well made and the narration is really good!
Dream's character never fails to impress/surprise me..
I hope you make more of these videos! :)
While I can’t say that Dream is the Villain, because everyone in the Smp has their own perspectives and flaws, he definitely is an antagonist of some sort. His actions may, ultimately be for the greater good. It’s not justified because there were so many ways he could’ve gone about creating peace. Additionally, what you said about Dream having good intentions can no longer be applied after he escaped from prison solely because he’s still going after Tommy. While it can be said that yeah after spending a couple years in a lonely Jail cell while a duck man comes in to beat you up everyday for a revival book Isn’t great for your mental health -and Dream is probably at least a little bit unhinged I can’t say he still has good intentions.
Well I don't even think he cares anymore and is going for revenge. He just recently kept sam locked up in prison and that Quackity is next. While it doesn't explain tommy it shows that Dream is not after peace right now but instead revenge.
@@Shadow-yh5qo I don't know if that's the case at the moment. After the jailbreak, he met up with C!Punz, and they share a moment, and it shows that C!Dreams defeat in the Finale (Vault Encounter as I call it), was faked. To be fair as well, C!Sam and C!Quackity are not good people, and C!Dream didn't lock up C!Sam, it was the Revengers.
C!Quackity is one I would consider the most villainous at the moment, because his motives have been literally shown to be power, and he will do anything to get that power. If anything, I would believe C!Quackity should be the one that is locked up.
C!Sam became corrupted by his job as warden, he literally tore off someones arm to get back keycodes that didn't even work anymore. He allowed C!Quackity to torture C!Dream, and constantly tries to rationalise it as good. I think C!Sam lost sight of his morals while in the prison.
@@corruptsolstice340 ur right bro I agree
@@corruptsolstice340 c!Quackity's actions are definitely despicable, but his motives are much more complicated than just "power."
He has a long history of being pushed around by more powerful characters on the server. Even though he only wanted to do good things for L'Manberg, c!Schlatt treated him like garbage, c!Wilbur blew up the country, c!Techno tried to kill them all with withers, and c!Dream threatened and manipulated them into exiling one of his best friends. He has spent much of his time on the server living in fear, and he's lost every home he ever had.
Now, he only wants to be stronger to stand up to those people, prove that he won't be messed with again, and have a safe home for himself and the ones he loves. In fact, the streamer even said that his character's greatest desire is to have somewhere he can belong.
There are plenty of powerful or power-hungry characters on the server, but it's far more interesting to look at the reasons *why* they want power:
c!Dream wants everyone to be unified and peaceful, even if he has to take away everything they love that causes conflict.
c!Techno wants everyone to be liberated from government, even if he has to use extreme force to destroy it for good.
c!Sam wants to keep the server safe and orderly, even if he loses his integrity and his relationships in the process.
c!Bad wants to stay together with his best friend, even if he has to sacrifice others to the whim of an evil entity.
And c!Quackity wants to protect himself and his friends from being hurt again, even if he has to hurt his enemies in horrific ways.
They've all used their power badly before, but the point is that none of them wanted that power purely for its own sake. No one ever does.
I think dream is pretty much a villian now but he started with good intentions, then it kinda went to chaos.
This all ties together so well and it actually makes so much sense! I DID NOT think about the dreamSMP this way untill now.
This was mind blowing😭
I hate to tell you, but half the stuff in this video isn't true.
You say that dream isn't a villain because all he wanted was peace but in fiction there are many compelling and great villains that are villains because they want peace they just do the wrong methods to make peace. So it is possible that dream is the villain this just gives him a good reason and makes him a compelling villain
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YES
No
@@jazleenluna you're (your username) exact opposite of it.
@@blesskurunai9213 ?
All it takes is 1 event to start a chain reaction that never ends
INCREDIBLE you deserve more subs!!!
Fun fact: did you know Dream destroyed The community house by himself?
Dream isn’t THE villain but he’s a villain. Him fighting for peace doesn’t trump his violent reactions at all, but it does show how desperate he was to get it, just like tommy and his discs, or Wilbur and his thrust for power, or techno’s drive to end the government the only difference with all of there actions is that everyone but dream had close and trusted allies to do it. And they were more willing to twist the narrative to get there! Though this was seen more with tommy and Wilbur.
Nah no proof He is no villain he didnt fight for power only for peace which was a right thing and only a hero would do Dream is the hero here and he is right and deserves to get revenge
@@abdalsamadbabar3627 Yes I agree, something I think people tend to forget is that he owns the server. The fact that they are there is an act of kindness on it’s own, he shouldn’t have to argue or go to war over something that was his first. And the fact that he is painted as the villain of the story is dismissive to the fact that tommy “ the hero” of the story is allowed to cause problems that have gruesome effects on the people of the smp , only to pull the “he’s a child “ argument like the other kids didn’t have better self control or like he is unable to be disciplined. Dream did go overboard but so did lmanburg, dream tried to play nice at first but got no respect in return. I rest my case for now
@@queenkhalifa6712 SO he did the right thing now if dream is the villain so is everyone
@@abdalsamadbabar3627 to my knowledge yes I mean if we put the situation in a less drastic setting let’s say that I had a balloon that I made myself, and a random person comes and asked to play with it and I let them under the condition of being careful only for them to pop it and only do they not say sorry, but they start crying and blame me for them popping it, am I or am I not qualified to fight them.
@@queenkhalifa6712 You are qualified to fight them. Dream did the right thing all he wanted was peace he created it for peace war is never an solution unless if its neccessary They tortured dream barely got food and he was bored no sun light not only that this happened to few prisoners in real life instead of getting therapy they got locked up in jail. Dream Everything he loved and cared about is gone he is now seeking for vengeance the people he cared about backstabbed him
Also in new lore Dream is starting to make Tommy insane? Tommy was so traumatised by Dream that he freaked out and was scared of sapnap and asked sap nap to take his armour in fear of being hurt. He was making Tommy disassociate and hallucinate. And in the recent lore Tommy runs to Phils only to see a sign saying "I got him too :)" left by Dream, I think Drean USED to want peace, and was trying to keep things peaceful, but now I think he's just gone mad and torturing Tommy for his own fun.
He wanted peace but overtime he realized how fun it was ruining other peoples lives
I respect your opinion, but unfortunately, I cannot agree with it. It sounds to much like a c!dream apologist video to me. I see where you’re trying to come from, but I can’t see how you can vilify his actions anymore because he’s devolved into a narcissistic psychopath who has manipulated multiple people on the server. We all think of Tommy when we hear “Oh, Dream’s manipulating someone,” but that isn’t the case.
For starters, he manipulated Tubbo into exiling his best friend and nearly handing over the disc. He made himself appear as an ally to L’Manberg when is was really just a way to create more conflict.
Another instance is Ranboo. Now, I’m not too sure as to what is happening in the lore, but making someone do something for you in an semi-conscious state and driving them to the point where they lock themselves in room/prison because they literally can’t trust themselves due to supposed voices in their head doesn’t seem humane to me.
Lastly, we have Tommy. While I may be a huge c!Tommy fan and literally want the world for him, I can’t deny the fact that he has done wrong. He has been selfish, he has been arrogant. However, he always seems to pay more than double the price to amount for his actions. I mean, burn a house and get exiled out your own nation and be manipulated? Doesn’t seem like a fair trade-off to me. Oh, while we’re on this topic, I don’t quite think you understand how bad exile was. Tommy was manipulated to the point where he thought Dream, his mortal enemy, was his owner. That’s essentially Stockholm Syndrome at its most basic form. He also nearly committed suicide multiple times because of his manipulation and was beaten to death just to prove a point. This doesn’t even include all of the other people he had hurt.
Overall, the “Dream is not a villain” isn’t feasible to me. I understand what you mean by different perspectives determine who’s good and who’s evil, but everyone is a villain in their own way. There is no true “hero” in the Dream Smp. However, there are those who are much worse than others, and Dream falls under that category.
@Crystal Draffin Nah she just spitting facts
@Crystal Draffin I get it's a theory, that's why it's so unfortunate that so many people are using this video as if it was a fact.
People are allowed to complain if others are using "evidence" (misinformation) from this video to justify their claims. But in most often times those others are very stubborn so arguments are bound to get heated.
@Crystal Draffin Going english essay on me? So be it.
You cannot defend those who chose to continue to believe something when it's proven incorrect. It only shows peoples ignorance to be open-minded. That's only natural here though since most people are kids and teenagers which we're naturally stubborn with our opinions so it's only fair.
Arguing and debating is an invevitable thing especially with topics like these, people who fan over movies and books debate in this same way with their own characters, so this isn't any different. (Plus debating about this stuff is probably what's kept this fandom active for so long even with limited lore these days)
And quite frankly, there is plenty of evidence that clearly overlaps C!Dreams (if he even has) "neutral" motives, even if he were to suddenly say he's a good guy his actions say otherwise. He's claimed it himself that his character is a bad guy over and over, and apologists KNOW THIS. And they chose to ignore it. (There's even a video of an apologist proving this point). At this point arguing with them is like talking to a wall. Au's are fine, because it actually states that it's not canon.
In the end, people are allowed to say "Hey, this evidence you're using is actually incorrect!" and critisize others, it's not a bad thing. And in no way should misinformation be treated like a belief, take it this way. Someone points out a orange and calls it green, you tell them it's orange and in response they'll say "Oh nah it's true that's just my belief". Or another example. Someone points to the moon, and calls it the sun. You respond with "Hey there's actually evidence that it's the moon", and they respond with "Seriously? It is the sun, that's my opinion".
Do you see where the frustration comes from? Knowing you can prove them wrong or at least show a different point of view but there's this invisble wall between you both that's hinted by the words "opinion" and "belief". It's a too familar excuse, sometimes you can convince them after a long debate and showing evidence. Other times they'll cross their arms and say "Well I don't believe that video/picture! Leave me alone!" and the wall only grows thicker.
It's a human thing, and it takes real maturity for people to be open and have the willingness to change. It happens to all of us eventually.
But yeah I understand you're not an apologist, but I hope you can at least take a note of all this.
@Crystal Draffin Oh yeah I know your trying to say now! I completely agree that personally hating on the creator is wrong. I'd originally figured you were trying to protect the rude C!Dream apologists lmao. But yeah that's fair.
In a way I understand some peoples anger towards the creator, because this video has made quite the big impact in the community and suddenly there's just people spamming "IT WAS ALL C!TOMMY'S FAULT!! C!DREAM IS INNOCENT!!" all over tiktok, youtube and twitter and people would get pissed off about it. But at the same time, I don't like it at all when there are people who are saying just blatent slurs and death threats to others just because of their opinion. And I do not defend any of that, that's for sure.
I think the thing is, is that especially for the DSMP fandom, people take the characters seriously, like as you can see through the comment section, very seriously. And even when people know they're just characters there are those out there who are willing to sacrifice themselves for some characters xD
But that's just how it is here I suppose, it's been like this for like a year now. But yeah I do get what you mean! Half the time I guess it'd just gotten confused by what you meant, that's my bad!
@Crystal Draffin All good! You don't need to apologize it was me who interpreted it wrong lmao.
But yeah I'm not even a C!Dream apologist but for like a couple weeks after this video came out all I could see was propaganda about how he was doing it all for peace on like every social media and it was craZY.
But yeah happy this ended on a peaceful note! I hope you have a nice day/night! :D
I love this video it's super entrataning and the editing is awsome
I love how we just skipped over the emotional abuse and manipulation during exile
LITERALLY! we're just gonna gloss over that?
Ye I understand but the reason dream become evil was because of tommy dream was peaceful
@@Homeless_One what...? that doesnt excuse literally manipulating and abusing someone?
@@lovieheart981 i wonder u never read the entire thing tommy is the reason dream turned everyone is the villian cause everyone was just like dream
EVEN QUACKITY ARE WE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT
@@chaoz7729let me make sure you understand, if dream was "turned" into the villian by tommy, did tommy "make" him the villian BEFORE or AFTER his exile? If before, still quite literally doesnt excuse abusing and manipulating someone. If after, you literally can't try to defend him.
I don't see dream as a pure villain or a broken hero, rather an anti villain
This video talks about what i tell my friends that the smp can be looked on as both sides being the “right” side so I agree that he could be a so called hero through specific parts of the story
Honestly, 'Hero' and 'Villain' is just a title you give someone in your own perspective because in everyone's perspective, they see themselves as the 'hero' and their enemy, the 'villain'
to me, Dream is a person who was good, and then went down a villainous path
Yes Tommy is the reason that dream become a villain
@@cpanrusty5187 no lmao don't pin it on Tommy
@@jazleenluna But is really was the reason
@@topp7064 not rlly
@@jazleenluna imean this would have not happen if he did not burn the lemon tree how will dream enjoy his lemonade without lemons thats how tommy started all of this
but hey thank tommy for creating one of the coolest wars and plot to the dream smp
Though I do disagree that he was the "good guy" and just "wanted peace", this is an amazing video and you honestly deserve way more subs!
I think we should agree that ghostbur is the most innocent character out there, he literally has never done a bad thing in his- wait how do i say this?
I agree with this theory I try to tell my friends but they still think dream is the villain but Dream has done more severe things but tommy and the others have done more bad thing then Dream. And if dream is a villain the so would the rest of the server. Yes dream did awful things but for the sake of Peace. And Wilbur, Tommy, Tubbo, Quackity they are for it for power so who is the villain in this story? The answer is no one. (Btw this is only a theory not cannon or is it either way it's just a theory A LORE Theory)
Well first off, this isn’t a theory, it’s an opinion, the main reason Dream is a villain is we don’t see is POV, and the first time we have, he wasn’t that good of a guy gonna be honest, and most of what you said is the case, until the exile arc, he is a manipulator, he manipulated Tommy into thinking he was the only person who cared for him, didn’t tell Tubbo & the rest of L’manberg Tommy was alive, no harm could have came if Tommy saw people, none..Tommy isn’t a hero, he’s a kid, a kid who has had his life completely ruined, the last few Tommy lore streams proves Dream is a villain, he’s ruining Tommy’s mental state, I believe with most villains in media, they were justified UNTIL they step too far, and Dream has stepped to far
@@onagle_9279 why is no one thinking like this? Thank you. Also why don't you have more likes? Like I'm the first one?!
@@yellow-ish4200 a lot of people actually think like this actually !! we have a whole group agreeing , lmao
@@onagle_9279 I agree with this comment
i can agree dream isnt the villian up untill tommy's exile
and u glossed over alot of the bad he did like killing tommy in prison and ALOT in tommy's exile and tormenting tommy right when he got out of prison and more
And the fact that they completely leave out the fact that Tommy is a minor & Dream literally almost drove him to committing suicide by isolating & manipulating him into thinking he was alone & that everyone else hated him.
@Crystal Draffin Because it's makes Dream a Child Abuser
Yeah he isn’t just starting to be the “ villain” after the prison he May have started of with good intentions but eventually he kinda broke and stopped caring at all
@@lusacusmighy3938 in what way? Real life rules don't apply
@@lusacusmighy3938 also he was 16. Stop glossing over the fact Tommy chose to be cocky and test dream even though he wasn't going to have an exile if he listened to the negotiations.
*Sam:* _So does that mean that you're a bad guy too?_
*Dream:* _Yes! Yes, you're finally getting it. In our world, you have to do bad things. You have to be a bad guy, otherwise, you end up dead!_
This video is really good keep up the good work
I love how there isn’t a mention that dream killed Tommy and brought him scaring him for life, for fun 😂
Exactly! She didn't mention anything about exile, about how dream is making ranboo going insane, how he said to tommy "I'm going to make your life a living hell"
How HE wanted to make people think that he really changed while he is making tommy going crazy
How he made a trap in his house
How he killed 2 people for the reviving book
And there is more
Bro for real though 😂😂😂
Finally, one comment that's not extreme cap. The creator of this video clearly thinks Tommy is the villain when dream is the real villain.
It wasn't for fun. It was never for fun. It's all for the greater good. Like author said, as long as there is Tommy, there can never be peace. Tommy was the cause of the most of the problems on the SMP. Exile had to be done. Away from his friends, Tommy was never able to ruin the peace. That's why he was willing to let Tommy live in Techno's house. Because he knew that could never ruin the peace. He never wanted Tommy dead back then. He only wanted Tommy away from the server.
Tommy was never able to hold peace. Exile does not matter. One life of a teen is a worthy sacrifice for the greater good.
But Tommy was never anything but selfish. He never cared about anything besides himself, Tubbo and his discs. That's why Dream chose to not only kill Tommy but give him the punishment he deserved.
Dream wanted to keep killing and reviving Tommy, just like Tommy kept killing and Dream kept reviving the peace at the server.
Actually, Dream wanting peace also explains one of the reasons why he trapped himself in the prison. It was an experiment. Dream was locked away, but the peace was never there. Dream is not the reason chaos is happening. Tommy is. While Dream is an antagonist, he's not a villian. He was never a villian in the first place
@@charadr33murr because he IS a child
If now he is 17-18
How old do you think he was at the first war??
YES THANK YOU I'm so glad someone finally made a video explaining all this stuff I leave it to you XD No one freaking listens and accepts and they make fun of me for defending him and it's very frustrating. I really like how you put it together the phrasing makes a lot of sense!!
im a c!Dream apologist- i believe theres more to his story no matter what he's done.
team dream @everyone team dream
But y'know when there's peace there's always chaos too history will always repeat itself if there's still one person who's greedy for power and control.
I would like to say that I love what I think was a brilliant artistic choice of sounding more frantic as the video goes on.
This choice, intentional or not, clearly mirrors their opinion on dreams mindstate as the video continues, as well as dreams obsession with peace.
This aspect of the video continues until they mentioned how dream was imprisoned by the server near the end of the video
This is to say, I don’t agree with everything dream did on the smp, despite agreeing with most of his actions because it is a game of Minecraft.
But before dream was imprisoned, I believe that the entire server needed to be talked with.
This needed talk is no longer possible, because dream is now truly becoming the villain that the DSMP thought he was.
This needless rant by me isn’t to try & redeem dream or anyone else, but rather that there were no hero’s in the smp, & that dreams weren’t those of a hero, but of someone who saw nothing but a violent chaos, & had a desperate need to fix it.
I feel like we kind of glazed over prison and how Dream killed and revived Tommy. I don’t see why Dream would’ve done that or why once he broke out he threatened to kill Tommy over and over and then after that he tormented him with a broken disc. I think I’m a way he’s becoming the villain even with good intentions at the start. Good intentions don’t always mean you do good things to make it happen Dreams driving himself crazy with the idea of peace I’m not sure if he even knows how to create it anymore. I think he’s kind of losing himself and I think he lacks empathy for people he joins what cause will bring what he wants but he doesn’t really seem to care all too much about the feelings of the people themselves. Yes he cares for his friends but he can easily go against them at any given time if he doesn’t see their cause fit into his vision. If he sees something as bad he’ll go against it. Like how when Tommy burned George’s house he got punished but whatever was destroyed and grieved before that was tossed aside. (Sorry if any of these things have been addressed I’m pretty late to this video and am only just finding this channel) point is Dream isn’t bad he’s just doing the wrong things for the right reasons and in a way I think he’s losing his reasoning for things and he seems just quite stuck at the moment
I have always stayed on dreams side because all he wants was peace, I seen this and no one understands so thank you you puting this together, now I can show my friend that dream was never the villain
I think you missed a valuable part where dream stole everyone's stuff
Yea, This vid has some good points but didnt mention some of the bad deeds, Hes literally just taking evryones belongings including taking their pets hostage.
@@agamerdude7596 hey pal i kbow this is 2months ago but didnt he say that tommy who started the chaos? For me dream was just want some peace! Like if the whole server turn on dream its ok for dream because she just want some peace!!! In dream deep side she is so happy because of the server turning on her and thats peace! I mean yeah he stole some of stuff but he just want some peace of the srver dream just want the server what like before tommy join....
@@yoriichi697
Dream said his character is supposed to be evil.
His character is built to be the villain.
@@alana0_046 yep thats before tommy join
@@alana0_046 then it's a bad writing then!
I came into this late and from my perspective, it was Dream's server, so his rules. I've never understood why (besides the "story" of course) Dream just didn't kick the little trouble maker out! It also bothered me that "manipulation" is consider a death penalty offense (Tommy killed Dream twice - while unarmed - and was about to kill him a 3rd time) and still considered bad enough to throw him into prison (for life???) on his own server. That's some screwed up logic right there, even if it's just a story. Don't like it? Then leave!
Exactly! Thank you! Finally someone else said it. Like it’s literally his server. It shouldn’t have been that hard to follow three simple rules. I never understood it either.
Oh he did ban Tommy, but that was before lore was introduced and it was just Dream trying to gain viewer retention (besides, Tommy fans would've made a big deal out of it)
Bruh, you don’t know what Dream did in the lore did you? I can write a whole essay about it, but it’s going to be a waste of time.
@@keikoizawa8104 Wilbur Soot is a wonderful writer, but what does that have to do with the fact that even in the story it was Dream's World? That's like someone coming to your house and declaring your living room as their property and barring you from stepping foot into it. As I said before, in any other "world" the owner of the world is the one making the rules. So, Dream's world, Dream's rules.
@@Raggmopp-xl7yf The amount of damage that Dream has caused to the server is insane, that’s what I’m trying to say. But I’m not going to talk about that for now.
Literally 80 or 90% of the people broke one of the three rules (or more) that shouldn’t have been broken.
I’m sorry but if you want to kick Tommy off the server, then you will have to kick almost everyone else as well.
I cant belive this, its such a good video tbh
i dont want to be rude or anything but isn't this a bit too incorrect for a character analysis/essay?
the first point is already incorrect with the mentality of "c!tommy is the root of all conflicts or conflicts that led up to the current situation" which is already a red flag when creating a character analysis on a character that is as compelling and irredeemable as dream. what's even more confusing was when you mentioned that sapnap and tommy burned ponk's lemon tree, you then said that sapnap turned to tommy for help? that, in itself, meant that sapnap dragged tommy which means that it was SAPNAP, dream's FRIEND, who started it all. did they have an all-out war from it? yes, but the two main causes were ponk and sapnap, tommy was only dragged into their conflict because of his general attitude as a gremlin. so, tommy is not really the "true start" of the dream smp lore. may i add that dream's server wasn't really peaceful from the start, if i remember it correctly, dream destroyed (or was it taken) george's armor because he was jealous of it in a sense? then they have a literal trial for it with badboyhalo as the judge, and this was BEFORE tommy even joined the server, so really, dream already disrupted peace before it really kicks off. now, to the part of dream taking tommy's discs, it would have been more rational for dream to take, i dont kno, sapnap's valuables than the child who got dragged in the first place, as it to become some sort of alibi for the two to stop the war since tommy followed sapnap. additionally, after the fight for the discs, dream was already far gone from his idea of "uniting the server and making it peaceful" when he stalked, griefed and tried to steal tommy's discs DURING peace time and BEFORE wilbur ever joined the server. that, in of itself, is already breaking his own goal.
second point, l'manburg, while it was silly and unneccessary, let's take in the fact that the former country was even smaller than punz's property which means there's not much to it to l'manburg other than it was (to be blunt) a pathetic nation to begin with. so there's no reason for dream to cause as big as a conflict on a nation that will only dry itself off without his hand on it. their attempts in bringing in more members of the nation are more of close friends in a group or their attempts in doing so are comedically ridiculous. so, his method of gaining peace is, once again, questionable.
third point, elections and pogtopia, once again I want to reiterate, dream has once again caused more chaos than needed by ADMITTING he and techno (with wilbur's help) blew up l'manburg, and even liked it because it was a mean for HIM to win. and to start, why didn't he banned schlatt again if he saw how bad his intentions were? even if its within l'manburg, there's still a possibility that the greater dream smp would be dragged by schlatt's actions. he did it once, he should have done it again. what techno said to tommy? it's also applicable to dream, "dont you (dream) see how history repeating itself? you think schlatt (tommy) was the cause of your problems? no, it was government (dream's blooming tyrannical rule)."
fourth point, george's burned down house. now this is just full of misinformation, and i want you to rewatch the streams in both tommy's and puffy's perspectives to make sense why it's misinformation. but if you want to see my reason why i called it as that, here's my reason: both puffy and dream griefed so many buildings and made it look like tommy was the cause of it, they already planned to stage him for an uproar before he accidentally griefed george's house. speaking of george's house, time and time again, what he and ranboo did was a pure accident when it comes to burning it, stealing? yeah that was their original intention but never the burning part. you mentioned the rules of which the first two was broken by the person who made those rules, so why did tommy have that heavy of a punishment when time and time again, others did the same thing and even DREAM did the SAME thing as tommy but he did it with malicious intentions. and even then, the damage werent that severe compared to, once again, tommy's constantly griefed house, even george mentioned that it wasnt that bad and that he fixed it under 10 or so minutes.
fifth point, the walls surrounding new l'manburg. what dream did was ridiculous because, again, HE didnt RESPECT his OWN rules, add in that he didnt let george say his opinion about his griefed house despite being the owner and victim of tommy and ranboo's actions. if hes going for diplomatic route, he should have talked to tubbo before he build the walls as to talk about tommy's punishment. probations alone should be enough due to the fact that dream and puffy already griefed buildings and framing it as tommy's actions even though tommy was the vice president (speaking of vice presidency, tommy mentioned before that he will not take any government position unless he got his discs back from dream, meaning that he doesnt want to drag l'manburg into conflict because of the postion of being the second most powerful in l'manburg), shouldn't that be the same magnitude of a punishment for dream (and puffy) to have since they were falsely accusing a government official? especially since dream was george's right hand man, the KING'S right hand man. so, really dream, AGAIN, disrupted peace with severe actions and such idiotic reasons. additionally, you only blamed tommy for the burning when ranboo was also there as well, if you say that tommy is as bad as you make him out to be, then why did he adamant in defending ranboo during the trial?
sixth point, exile. you saying "call it cruel, but this is for the greater good of the dream smp" literally downgrades the effects on tommy's mentality in his exile and the action he inflicted on a child. in fact, you have glossed over this entire point, and noticing how it's the shortest argument in the video, i'd say this is your weakest point in the video with full of plotholes. look, im not intending to sound mean and condescending, but exile is such a turning point in the story. first, he didn't create peace, he didnt say anything about tommy's deteriorating condition or blatantly lied about it, he only said what new l'manburg would like to hear as so they dont serve as distractions to his abuse on tommy. second, there's no violence as far as dream knows, dream was there for techno's execution, isnt he? doesnt that mean he somehow knew about it and called punz so that he can gain a favor from techno, whos one of the most powerful members in the server. third, "dream needed him to have no upper hand", then explain to me on what he did for tommy to not have the upper hand? exactly, the only thing you mentioned is that he destroyed what tommy collected, only that. you didnt mention the physical, mental and emotional abuse he did to him, the abuse that drove him into almost losing his life through self-dead, taunting him on something he really wanted to be in, lying to a boy who already lost all and his only hope is to see his friends by inviting them to a party he put effort in, and once again, the same boy that he drove to a second act of self-dead before tommy pulled himself together by landing on water. this is the turning point on why some fans considered dream as the ultimate villain of the dream smp lore, because these actions from exile ALONE is already disgusting and irredeemable.
i made a long list so heres the continuation of it kekw :P
seventh point, tommy at techno's house. to keep it short, he didnt care that tommy is allied with techno, because dream already held a favor over techno's head. he doesnt need to barge in and take tommy from techno when he can call techno himself and made the favor into him giving tommy without any struggle. this is another weak point due to dream saying that he can cash in the favor
another time when techno offered tommy to him. its that easy for dream to capture tommy thus he didnt give a single damn about it.
eighth point, the community house. once again, to keep it short, he pinned it to tommy because of circumstances. dream told the cabinet that tommy went missing (to which what he did is blatant kidnapping because he didnt inform tubbo on where they were going for exile) then after that, tommy caused minor chaos because of his deal with techno. may i remind you that once again, tommy didnt want to hurt l'manburg, he only did it because he was holding his end of the deal. it takes a blind person to see that everyone united in the community house because of tommy, be it negative or positive, and that controlling tommy would lead to controlling the server, and to control tommy is to take his discs. he already shown his true colors when he insulted tubbo despite the stress the young president was in, and when he disowned himself as sapnap and george's friend. he didnt needed the discs for peace, he needed the discs because it was FUN when seeing tommy stumble time and time again. he was having FUN in tormenting the former youngest member of the server. this was seen in the same event you mentioned with doomsday, i suggest watching either tubbo's or tommy's perspectives of the event. at this point, there's no sought out goal of peace in dream's mind anymore.
ninth point, the final disc saga. again, that "tommy is the cause of every conflict" mentality, he only caused two so far and its the railway skirmish but even then, he did warned dream to move out of the way, and the accidental burning of george's house. you said it yourself, he's involved in every conflict but that doesnt mean he started it. not only did dream stole every important things from other people without their knowledge, he was planning to CAGE a PERSON, he was identifiying a person as a mere ATTACHMENT. and to add, he admitted to about the exile and the community house not because he felt guilty but he was on death's door with no way out and only one ally present in a group of people intending to save tommy and tubbo (or imprisoned dream and save tubbo for jack and niki's case). what dream meant when he can have the control again and turn the server back into what it used to be is that he can have control OVER the server, break his own rules and not face any consequences because he has the attachments and the main source of these attachments with him.
tenth point, dream in prison. i actually thought that dream let himself be imprisoned because he saw how united everyone was at the time, but with the current lore we have, safe to say its more of a confirmation than anything. let's not forget he killed two innocent member in the server before he went to jail, and seeing how everyone is there due to one common factor, he knew he must control tommy to take control of the server again. he didnt do it for peace and only complied to tommy's demands because its either prison or death with no way for sure if he'll ever come back with the knowledge he has. about the members having their own group or nation, eggpire was already a thing before his imprisonment and its a thing during new l'manburg so really, he didnt predict that one. the nations, particularly snowchester, are only created due to either fear or as a safety precaution with the new groups such as the syndicate being a countermeasure for these nations. las nevadas is the only nation created from greed but even then, it also served as a line of defense for quackity.
eleventh point, quackity. i can give you that because your point does follow and sound like quackity and his attitude in the story, but saying he was just like him is a bit incorrect. quackity is like dream when it comes to the intensity of actions but unlike dream, he has someone to fight for. charlie and tommy are examples of this instance, with the latter becoming one of the reasons why quackity tortured dream in prison. he wasnt painted as the villain when he show actions on why hes the villain, he himself somewhat accepted the role with open arms due to how much fun it gave him unlike the era of peace. at first, yes he did have similar motives as everyone but that motive changed during the manberg era, maybe even before that.
twelfth point, the prison break. this is the strongest point for even i have difficulty to counter it but there are still some that needs to be pointed out. the prison break also led to the death of one of techno's closest friends, ranboo, due to dream hurriedly left the scene, in the exact same event, tommy went to phil and let out everything on why he hates dream which led to phil protecting him despite being best friends with the person who helped in escaping the said prisoner. additionally, the first action he taken after meeting up with punz for armor and weapons, was to chase tommy down like its a game and threatened to kill him then revive him over and over again. add in that punz basically threw the wrench on the entire "dream willingly let himself be arrested for the greater good because he finally united the people" and crashed and burned the entire point.
in short, theres two sides of the coin, and an explanation on what happened throughout the course of the history of the dream smp. its best to confirm that what you see in one perspective also aligned to the other party's perspective so as to avoid constant holes in an essay such as this. compare and contrast is a good method when it comes to analysis, and again i dont want to come off as mean when making this comment, is more to educate on what actually led to dream be considered as the villain of the server. :DDD
Wow you're very right , I also saw the ultimate truth of peace in dream but the whole smp was framing him as villian
Excuse me if you don't mind can you do a video from a Dreams friend's point of view? Please!! I want to find out about their perspectives. And I just wanna say you did wonderful at explaining the entire story!! Nice work at it! Your video was amazing! And last but not least I subscribed and left alike!
one about ranboo would make me very happy! ranboo is one of the character i have the most difficulty to understand! also karl would be fun aswell
Hasn’t Dream literally said that c!dream is a villain..? And you know, not a great guy.
My only question is why doesn't dream just let the chaos blow over? I know it may seem like a dumb question but we've seen this before, people become exhausted and stop fighting. Perhaps the members need to learn a lesson? But if dream does let chaos ensue, he will most likely use it as an excuse that he can be peaceful and then the server will trust him again. Plus if people end up losing lives to the conflict, dream can just revive them and then people will trust him even more. Just a few theories.
@electron5501 :D
This is just my opinion, but I don't think that the idea "letting the whole SMP be thrown into chaos and then reviving them if they die will make it better".
1. The majority of the SMP members already sees Dream as the villain of the story.
2. If he does let the chaos take over, one faction will reign over others and even more countries or group or community would pop up for the sake of taking down the reigning faction (this can be seen even in IRL).
3. Those who are permanently dead wouldn't be grateful nor trustworthy to Dream if he does revive them (keep in mind that not the entire sever knows about Dream's ability to revive people).
4. If Dream does use the revival book after the chaos had pass, those who knew that dream had such ability (especially those who are obsessed with powers) will continue to torture him for his ability, since more people now knows about the book they share the same goals and the chaos would restart all over again.
5. No matter how you see it, there is no possible solution to a peaceful sever where no one would want more power than others (I think we've seen too many instances of that already 😅), and it's important to remember that the SMP isn't only filled with humans, we had gods and people who can use special powers.
But either way, this is just my theory. Maybe there really is a way for peace to co-exist for the members.
i rlly like that idea like why doesnt he just let the chaos blow over, when something biig happens amongst themselves, then they'll be begging Dream to come back and do what he does best, end it all.
@@jeannemoreno7034 I dont think that would work. They hunted C!Techno down even when he went into hiding and was peaceful. I am pretty sure they'd do the same for C!Dream.
When there's peace there's also chaos it will never end and history will always repeat itself.
Dream: "OK indigo here's your cash thanks for manipulating"
-every dream stan
(All about characters)
So, not to be rude or anything, but you miss out on a lot of details that differentiate Dream from any of the others that could be considered villainous. Not even Techno, or Quackity, or Sam could compare to Dream because he's gone way too far.
First point: "Tommy had started all the conflict". Incorrect. Before Tommy had even joined the server, Dream had gotten angry at George for having slightly better gear in the early days, and iirc killed him to destroy his armour so everyone else could keep up. And Tommy did bring some problems, sure, but he was not the main cause of wars and conflict. Wanna know who was? Sapnap. In fact, he's the character who has caused the most conflicts directly, and most of them Tommy was dragged into by Sapnap.
If we're bringing the SMP rules into this, then Dream broke his own rules far worse than Tommy or Wilbur or whoever could. When Tommy had (rightfully) taken his discs back because Dream had stolen (broken his own rules already, I see), he hid them. Dream then griefed Tommy's entire front lawn in order to search for the discs, despite the war having been resolved by that point because of the fair trade they ended up doing in the end. So, Dream re-engaged a war for no reason other than... having control over Tommy? Also, in the early days, Dream would literally stalk Tommy and had tunnels under his house in attempts to take his discs back. Who's the one disrupting peace again?
Then, L'manburg. I'll admit, it was... not the best, but it wasn't as if it was causing many problems. They hadn't even tricked many people into giving them their brewing stands and all that, it was like... so easy to see through their attempts. Then, Dream unnecessarily started a war against them (hmm, I wonder who's disrupting the peace). Let me tell you: L'manburg didn't steal land, and it was in fact the most tiny land. Hell, Punz's house was bigger than L'manburg, and it's not like L'manburg had some resources in the walls that only they could get. So, Dream literally had no reason to attack them other than... what, his convoluted definition of peace? Yeah, sounds great.
Manburg era. Dream had endorsed Schlatt the moment he ran for presidency in the elections, despite... him clearly showing evil signs. Seriously, if Dream wanted peace and L'manburg to stay in its little boxed off area, why the hell did he endorse Schlatt? Dude's a walking, talking cartoon villain and everyone could see that. Also, just pointing it out here: Quackity's want for power stems from him being abused and sexually assaulted by Schlatt during Manburg (yes, Schlatt abused + sexually assaulted Quackity). He was left powerless, and he had genuinely just wanted to help L'manburg, but then Schlatt got control and he couldn't stop him.
Pogtopia wasn't a nation btw, it was a revolution stemmed from like 2 exiled people just wanting their homes back. Also, Technoblade had offered to help them first, despite them clearly showing no signs of wanting anarchy, so Techno... can't really complain? Anyways, getting off track. Once Schlatt was dead, they elected Tubbo because they saw him as a fair president. I mean, Tubbo was pretty fair, much better than Schlatt or Wilbur could be. Then... Techno and Dream blew L'manburg up? Wait, what? Didn't Dream want peace? Why was he helping destroy the nation despite having helped them reclaim it?
Anyways, exile conflict. For context, Tommy had zero clue that he was the VP, and in fact said that he'd given up the position of president to finish his conflict with Dream. He told Tubbo that he wouldn't be his VP until he got his conflict finished with Dream. He actively didn't want to be associated in a position of power in order to finish whatever he still had with Dream. Then, Dream and Puffy went around, griefing buildings and blaming it on Tommy. If you watch Tommy's VOD back, they hadn't meant to destroy portions of George's house, but even then... George himself admitted it wasn't much and that he could fix it, which he did in under ten minutes.
Dream then pressured L'manburg into exile, despite people having agreed that Tommy would be put on probation, and he built walls around L'manburg. During the meeting where they agreed on probation, Dream was sending whispers to Tommy, taunting him with ":)" messages. He was actively taunting Tommy, and of course Tommy would lash out against that, because Dream was targeting him specifically just to get him seem like he was lashing out for no reason. Then, when Tommy was forced to be exiled (otherwise L'manburg would... be slaughtered if they tried leaving the walls, have their armour taken, etc etc. Geez, Dream sure wants peace, doesn't he? Sounds very peaceful to have people patrolling and killing if they tried leaving), Dream had changed the rules of the exile. Exile was a straight up kidnapping, because he brought Tommy to a specific location, despite the agreement of exile being... anywhere but L'manburg.
Dream abused, gaslit, and manipulated Tommy in exile. He came every day to blow up his things, which isn't a peaceful thing to do at all, just for control over Tommy. I don't care how much peace you want, abusing a teenager isn't right no matter what you say. Then, while this was happening, he was manipulating Tubbo to be his friend so that he could get the disc from him and have even more control over Tommy. Remember the "I just wanna say, you're an idiot" speech? Yeah, that's not very peaceful, now is it? He's shifting so much blame on to Tommy because he can't dare to admit that maybe he was the one creating conflict, not Tommy.
He then helped with Doomsday, which wasn't a peaceful event, and canonically lasted for 3 days. Yes, 3 days. People had to fight and suffer and watch tnt rain from the skies for three days, all for """peace""". Man, Dream, your peace is starting to sound more like... hm, what was it? Oh yeah, tyranny. Then, he went on to build the disc finale area, and all of that played out. Also, I don't care what you say, threatening to kill someone is a form of mental torture. So, he was mentally torturing Tubbo by threatening to kill him and then lock Tommy up, even if it wasn't true due to the staged finale being canon. Oh, and while all of this was happening, guess what? He was killing and reviving two totally innocent people over and over to learn how revival works. Hm, very peaceful, yes that is so peaceful indeed.
Then, he escaped. Guess what he did straight away? Went for Tommy after getting gear from Punz. He hunted Tommy down for roughly 10 minutes irl time, all while taunting and acting like it was a game of some kind.
Now that you've read all that, does Dream really seem like the good guy? No, he's a villain. Yes, Wilbur, Techno, Schlatt, Quackity and Sam are/were all villains. But guess what? None of them can compare to Dream's level of evil, because guess what? Dream has gone so far for his plans, all for... """peace""", which I seriously doubt at this point. Do you wanna know what I think he really wants? Control. That's all he wants. Just control. He doesn't care about peace, and actively breaks his own rules. Yeah, talk about peace.
So, go ahead. Try tell me that Dream's not the villain.
don't think I have agreed more with a comment. Like yes the server is based on the idea of multiple perspectives, which is what makes it so interesting. But you cannot sit here and tell me that c!Dreams "peaceful" intentions at the start of the server are not just his lust for control.
I also hate when people just blindly blame c!Tommy for starting conflicts when he just gets dragged into it most of the time, just because he has a loud and abrasive persona.
Thank you so much for this.
Yes, there is no definitive black or white morality. Yes, the Dream SMP is made up of shades of grey. But the thing is, not all shades of gray are the same.
The difference between characters runs as wide as slightly smudging pencil lead on white paper, to scribbling so hard that your pencil breaks. And Dream has collected a gigantic pile of broken pencils, with no erasers in sight.
Whatever his nebulous goals of "unity" may be, he crossed the line when he manipulated justice so he could abuse a teenager to the point of attempting suicide, and then again when he admitted over and over that he *enjoyed* doing so. And until he expresses remorse for those actions and makes serious attempts to reform, I will never consider him a hero.
i agree with this one as well, if this video is an essay that i would grade, it would most likely be a B at best since it has left out/with held/inaccurately stated information without any supporting videos to show if it were true. im just tired of so many fans of the lore that glossed over everything that made c!dream THE villain of the story. what he had done and will done in the future are already irredeemable even to c!wilbur, c!techno, c!quackity and every big bad villains have done before.
I agree. c!Dream have multiple times admitted that he had fun making c!Tommy's life miserable.
+ Another supporting point of him being a villain is the fact it was revealed in his latest lore video that he also murdered Vikkstar and Lazarbeam, two completely innocent people, so he could experiment on them before he went to prison to test the revive book.
That's not somebody who wants "peace" would do. Somebody can have/started with good intentions, and still be an villain.
@@nikitajeevanath248 yeah they take tommy's recklessness and exploit it, blaming him even though it isn't even close to being his fault. Tommy's house has been griefed so many countless times and then George's house gets ruined once it immediately deserves exile like, what? make it make sense
I think there's some details/info missing here and there that got brushed over, but overall a good video!
You definitely got his motivations spot on, though with the reveal of the Staged Finale and how the prison and Disc Finale was all planned from the beginning, including Punz betraying him, I think there's definitely some things that arent completely accurate.
BUT, considering how inaccurate most videos on c!Dream are, I think this was a really good covering of c!Dream's actual goals and motivations/general outlook. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Dream is the Villain. Nobody is in the right, you have the morally gray people, the morally dark gray people and you got the scumbags aka the villains. Dream is one of those. No one is morally right but to brush off everything Dream has done and say it was all for the server to be peaceful is so dumb. Maybe Dream had good intentions but he tried making his goals a reality in the worst ways possible. Also, Dream never reprimanded anyone for griefing because they did it to things he didn't care about, but the second it happens to his best friend he does somethin?? Also Dream has griefed and literally broke all of his rules. A good leader wouldn't break the rules he reinforced. Dream was long gone before Prison, he admitted himself. You glossed over so many things just to prove a point and I hate when people do that. Dream. Is. The. Villain. End of story. You basically insulted Dreams well written and complexe character with the way you explained him as tbh
YOOO so true! it's so sad so many people are falling for this video and using it as evidence.
(the amount of C!Dream apologists that I've seen use just this one video as their own evidence is very surprising)
I think Dream is a very complex character. I definitely don't think he is the good guy, but he is not necessarily THE villain. I think Schlatt was(is) THE villain. However, I also agree with you. I saw the trailer showing upcoming dream smp videos, and they show dream and punz taking out vikkstar and lazaar. That is definitely not something a good guy would do. Also, taking items away from Tommy and throwing away Tommy's party invite letters is cruel and not something a good guy would do. Dream cares only for himself; that is why he helped schlatt (at a point), so he could get the revival book. He is also someone who likes to get revenge, especially on Tommy. He was also about to take out Tommy's best friend, Tubbo. If that is not cruel, I don't know what is.
@@wolf_876 I don't understand where you got the idea where there's only one villain. I'd say both Schlatt and Dream are both THE villains while others not so much. But yes I agree with you
TW: suicide
While i can agree to some parts, and dream's role is LITERALLY to be a villain. It can also mean that there are some bad writings over his role.
Lets see one of his terrible actions.
"Dream protects his friends and not other"
At the time when george's house was burned, he was literally the KING. No biased. Just rules.
"Dream manipulates and make tommy wants to commit die during exile. And he was a MINOR"
Lets just say, this is dream smp's world. In this world, they don't talk about tommy being a child or dream being an adult. It's just independence and learning how to handle things yourself. As far as what i see, dream lied about the beach party things, dream blow up tommy's stuff, dream blew up all the progress tommy have done after dream found out about his secret base, and so far, i don't see a lot of very toxic things happened execpt the lies. Tommy almost killed himself after dream blew up all his progress and stop being his friend. You can't deny the fact that tommy broke the rules. And pretty much most of the things that made tommy upset and depressed during this exile is because tommy realises that he needs to follow rules. In the dsmp world, you don't put your "he's a child" excuse. There was no such thing as "child abuse."
"He stole the prized possesions"
For control mainly. He stole Tommy's disc to control his behaviour because tommy has done griefing, killing, and steal some of the server's stuff. So what dream does to take action is just taking tommy's stuff until tommy became a better person to give the discs back.
Lets just say dream did something mainly to unite and create a big family to the server. And i must admit that ever since dream was in prison, everything became so seperated and confusing.
Dream lov3 to get peace
Better share this with the team
I love how everything is scripted but it’s so damn good and nicely acted out
Thing is, only the major lore is scripted. The rest was improvised.
Mate, that’s what movies are
All Dream ever did was want the best for the smp as a whole. If only he had an epic final line like “I did all this for peace” or something like that before he was sent to prison.
How can someone be so lawfully evil while acting to chaotic? Dream is truly an enigma😂❤
Its the same for me when I just wanna make my own creation/nation/society in a multiplayer game with my friends... they break stuff and fool around and to them it's considered a joke? Then i lose those friends or get in touch with them lesser than usual until we can come to an agreement.
But with the current lore-
“I‘ll kill you and I’ll revive you again and I’ll kill you and I’ll revive you again and I’ll revive you again” I feel kinda bad for all the characters including dream and tommy but what he did to ranboo was a bit-
I can see ur point however I can't entirely agree that Dream was not the villain. At the end of the day, he still did those shit things; doing something bad for a greater good doesn't wipe out the effect of the bad.
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I agree. He repeatedly killed 2 innocent people to test out resurrection. I would even argue he’s like a morally bad person similar to Dumbledore in a way, and definitely worse then Dumbledore. I always hate the “greater good” argument as it sacrifices people just to reach some “goal for a better life” or a “big happy family.”
For example, what would you think if you are just some guys living out retirement and suddenly 2 armed men chased you and your friend down? You don’t even know WHY they are after you two. Now you are trapped in some random lab and suddenly your dead in the most horrendous way possible. Next think you know you are alive AGAIN. Then the kidnappers proceeded to kill you AGAIN. This happens OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN as they tested out MULTIPLE ways to kill and revive you. What Dream is doing is inhumane and downright evil not to mention this took place BEFORE he was thrown into prison. Good intentions does NOT erase the inhumane actions he has done and apparently planning to do in the future. Human experimentation already crosses so many moral and ethical lines. On top of that, this likely happen around the Exile Arc where Dream abused a kid nearly pushed them to off themselves. I could go on, but it’ll be a long list.
Also turbo help tommy even thought he griefed the owners friends home so I understand dreams points but the only thing I don’t agree with is blowing up his stuff a permanent exile and Tommy’s last canon death outside of that I don’t really see much wrong with dream
I hate autocorrect (tubbo*)
I describe Dream's character as a sympathetic villain. Specifically a "well-intentioned extremist" I suppose, committing various immoral acts for the sake of peace. He was kinda like the Thanos of the server I guess. But recently after he escaped his prison cell, he has gone down a completely villainous path, and started getting his revenge on the server, and once again started to commit more evil doings.
That is actually impressing
This puts so much in perspective.
I can see an argument for Dream up until exile. In my opinion you really underplayed what Dream did, he was emotionally tormenting, isolating and (i know you disagree but come on, he kept being like 'I'm your friend Tommy!') a minor. That is not cool jo matter what Tommy did. I think that Dream went mad with his idea of peace and that destroyed any good he hoped to enact. I equally see no reason for why Dream should have killed Tommy. I'm no Tommy stan, I think his character is very clearly stupid and selfish, but no one deserves what he went through.
Agree
The thing is that dream also over did the controlling. He torchere other members and made them insane. That is why we see dream as the villain
you still dont get .--.
@@clashmc1555 But he did.
Examples:
Tommy's exile
Bribing Eret
Blowing up l'manberg for no reason
Supplying wilbur with TNT during pogtopia
Driving ranboo to insanity
I believe he is the villain (He and wilbur)
You dont have to though!
I haven’t actually watched official dsmp but i kinda now know the whole story 😅 and i really liked how he accepted prison and being tortured just for the server to have PEACE ☮️ ☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️☮️!!!! But it really changed my perspective towards his character 😅
Dream just wanted every member to be happy!!!!! 😟😕🙁☹️😣😞🫂🫂🫂 NOT WARS IN THE SERVER!!!!! 🎮🎮🗡️🗡️⚔️⚔️🤼🤼😿😿💥💥🤕😷🤒🤧🤮🤢😵💫😵😮💨
Dream may have wanted peace but you kind of sugar coated some of his actions. And you can’t forget he killed Tommy to prove a point. And he left Ranboo to die. Soooooooo
Yeah like every single thing he does is just for his own individual benefit. If he did want peace then he's going through a twisted and demented path. By peace does he mean having everyone under his finger tips so they would agree to him all of the time?
honestly as soon as i got into the smp i sided with dream and havent been able to enjoy it since
its nice to see people finally come to the same conclusion
Agreed, it's nice to see people not think of dream as just a villain
Lmao i love dream(the character) because of how he tormented tommy
I have problems-
@@zaytaz9331 what the fuck is wrong with you? You like him because he ABUSED AND TORTURED c!Tommy???
I can't believe I've never thought about it!
All Dream ever wanted was peace on the server.
And this is how everyone repays him for creating the server.
The first idea Dream had was really the best one, become the villain, uniting the smp against you. This should result in a basic two-period historical cycle of war, where everyone is friendly, and peace, where everyone is friendly. Just don't escalate too far and the plan is reasonably stable and harmless
Finaly someone who understands Dream. Also i knew this since the start but thanks for explaining to the fandom!
Girl, im sorry to break it to you but this theory is the stupidest one I ever seen
She omitted so many things to make dream a good guy
@@emistraw I mean conflict did happen when Tommy joined and dream did say he wanted peace
I'm agreeing with this, They've been pinning him as the *Villain,* his just like a *Broken Hero* (actually not a broken hero, I just forgot what it was ー
he truly just wants the server to be united, and he does try to protect Sapnap and George. He does it with villainous means though
@@walmartmiku yeah true
I agree that he wanted peace...from the beginning but as time went on I think he became a Villain.
He literally Manipulated, tortured and abuse a Child to the point where Tommy almost commited Suicide plus after the prison break he literally chases Tommy and he admitted many times that he had fun playing with Tommy (By playing is tortured)
He is literally actively going to make Tommy life HELL and some sort of obsession over him, He is the definition of a VILLAIN an Child Abuser Villain.
He lost it so bad
Dream always meant for C!Dream to be this irredeemable villain. It's why we've never seen his pov up until now, so we wouldn't sympathise with him.
Well look how that turned out, haha.
“Dream ISNT the villain of dsmp!” Also dream: emotionally Manipulated multiple children, INCLUDING ADULTS. Physically and abused some of them. If he wanted “peace” then he would have stayed. In. The. Prison. BUT HE DIDNT. And yes not everyone on the server is “pure” and “only well-meaning”, but most, if not all, don’t torture children except dream. (I am aware abt Wilbur so he is also on the list of emotions abuse, but not as high as dream). I rest my case.
I don’t agree with you.
did u even watch the video? she literally explained why he did it lol
True
@@Plasma_07 your Wrong this is dream perspective not tommy or anyone else in the dsmp
@@kwamekwatengkuranchie644 "your wrong" I didn't even state an opinion lol, the comment states that dream manipulated and abused people, and that if he wanted peace he should've stayed in the prison. I simply said that the video explains why he did those things, are you saying she didn't explain those things?
Okey I dont watch dsmp lore that much but the story of the lore quite interesting. I mean I already watched quackity's lore and techno's. But I still dont understand the whole story. But I guess I need to watch some lore I think. Btw I like this video. Keep it up