Blackwashing Cleopatra: A Netflix Special
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2023
- Blackwashing Cleopatra: A Netflix Special
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Saying Cleopatra was a black woman is like calling Jada Pinkett Smith a loving wife.
😂
"Stop, Stop! She -He- is Already Dead!"
@@TzarBomb Oh I'm sorry I mean Cleopecia...
@@oldsman7 Nice.
dang that's harsh
but I support it
My favorite part is I remember when people were upset Rami Malek was too white to play an Egyptian and he is Egyptian.
Just shows how poorly educated most people are.
Everyone is convinced that North Africans and Mediterraneans where just as dark then as they are now. They were much lighter in skin tone thousands of years ago. The darker genetics were mixed in during the Muslim invasions in the mid first century. There are plenty of Egyptian mummies with red or blonde hair and it’s well k own it wasn’t died. All historical documents tell what these people looked like. It’s not hard to find the information. Alexander the Great himself had blue eyes
@@seandoherty6215 North Africans are Mediterranean. So are Western Arabs.
@@seandoherty6215 Exactly
@@charliedulin Genetically the ancient Egyptians were basically Turkish.
"Cleopatra isn't about Cleopatra. Cleopatra is about me."
The self-deluded, histrionic narcissism of these people.
‘We need to tell stories about great black queens.’
Ironically they still haven’t done that.
WWONAN KING
Even though there are great black African historical figures, including queens, that are documented. They're just not so famous and therefore not interesting to the likes of Netflix
@@Cancoillotteman yes but they don’t seem to want to tell their stories. They have to tell their stories if they want them to be famous.
@@aSSGoblin1488 That entire movie was a lie.😂
“Cleopatras story isn’t about her, it’s about who we are”… the stupidity is deeper than the mines of Moria
I genuinely facepalmed at that.
"“Cleopatra's story isn’t about her, it’s about who we are."
Then WHY make a film about Cleopatra if you want to tell stories about whomever "we are"?
PICK ONE.
Ooooh I hope there will be a Balrog cameo in this Netflix documentary!
Learn history her father was known as a bastard and she has been known as a Tawny Moor for ages
C. W. King
Book: Antique Gems and Rings
Pg 326
Year written 1872
“ As late as the 16th century Cleopatra was regarded as A Negro woman”
You idiots must think Europe was a all white continent but you only have to read the words of ancient Greek writers to know that’s a lie. The only reason you think that is because people like Woodrow Wilson and others pushed the lie that all black people were in Africa and all white people were in Europe. That is easily debunked by just actually reading books from 18th century, 17th century, 16th century, 15th century and prior.
@@scionofdorn9101 they can’t make a story about themselves cos they’d realise just how boring and unimportant they are
I will never understand how Whitewashing is seen as the most awful racist deplorable thing, but Blackwashing? Perfectly fine!
Double standards
@@puddah8208 More then that. Enemy, Ally mindset. Whitewashing is a 'victory for the evil whiteman.' and blackwashing is a 'victory for the brothers and sisters of melanin'
The definition of Racisim has changed to only include from white to black or lighter to darker.
Therefore Anti-Racisim has to be from black to white or darker to lighter.
It's fucking insane.
I'd like to see someone pitch a bio pic of Mlk played by a white man to them as a massive troll just to see their reactions.
I remember my grandmother telling me, “Cleopatra was Na’vi no matter what your teachers tell you.”
And it was beautiful
My grandmother told me she was Dutch. You disrespecting my grandmother?
@@13tuyuti No Colonel Sanders your wrong, mamas right.
My great grandmother said Cleopatra is actually bosnian! Respect that 😑😑😑
"Listen! Hey!"
My grandma said nothing, how dare you disrespect her
I have a friend I met in college who is from Ethiopia. His family owns a hotel there. They are native Ethiopians. This man would help out at soup kitchens, he would go to cities and help the homeless and he would participate in the black student union activities. He told me that he was rejected by the black students because he wasn’t “ black enough” and they were rude to him, maybe because he 😢was a foreigner from Africa. I invited him to my home and we participated in various university activities, he did far more than I did for people. I nominated him for a community award and the city chose him! He won! He is now back in Ethiopia, married with children and running the family business. He and I are still friends and he is not happy that Cleopatra is being misrepresented , but he said he saw the bad side of the black students at the University, so he is not surprised by the behavior. You are a great man to recognize what a mean thing this was, to call it a documentary and not use historical facts. I’m also part Egyptian. Thank you!
I don't give a fuk I don't give a fuk I don't give a fuk just increased solar radiation
Every native African (of any ethnicity or race) that I have met in person has been a stalwart figure. And yet, they reject the woke hysteria of the west.
It's a rough time to be an American in this world. We were paradise for a time.
@@No-One-of-Consequence please increase my solar radiation
I am sorry your friend got rejected. He sounds like a cool dude, tell him I said hi.
@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 You’re a good person. That’s very kind of you! If you ever get to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, you might stay at his family hotel! He is such a great man, too! I will tell him about you saying this! 👍⭐️
It's the same modus operandi that Disney uses:
1. Race-swap a known character, which causes buzz on the web.
2. Movie/show comes out, story was written by hack writers and does badly.
3. Cast blames racism/misogyny for movie/show failure.
4. Rinse and repeat.
The problem is at some point, they're not going to be able to ignore the reality. Also, I think the second part of the 2nd example should be #0, because that's what started it all
Notice how sometimes the people bashing happens out the gate? The *already* know it'll bomb
I once read a sci-fi author, Sarah A. Hoyt, calling a similar operation/phenomena the "roll hard left and die":
"Years ago, watching science fiction magazines and newspapers of various sorts come and go, I identified a process I called 'roll hard left and die.'
When a magazine or a newspaper or any news or entertainment media was in real trouble, they went hard, hard left, then died.
It took me a little while to realize this was a sane strategy. In a field completely controlled by the left, when you knew that your job was in peril be it through missmanagement or whatever, your last hope was to go incredibly hard left, so you could blame the failure on ideology. And instead of not being able to find a job, you found yourself lionized by all the 'right' (left) 'thinking people.' New jobs were assured."
In all fairness, I'd be fairly certain you could see the same process happen throughout modern history, mutatis mutandis, with whatever ideology or intellectual school was in vogue or in relative power.
3.5 show boardroom of backers all the social media "buzz", "interaction" and some finely chosen data/metrics/ESG scores to secure more capital.
I think another problem is that people are quick to take this bait constantly.
Content creators, media, social media etc. are always going to cover this crap.
First Anne Boelyn, now Cleopatra. We now went from race swapping fictional people to race swapping REAL people. And the worst part is, folks still wanna say it’s better this way.
@@dlairdiablo945 LOL Hollywood would never do that. It’s only acceptable if the historical figure is white. But if they actually wanted to attempt to race swap a real life historically Asian person with like, a light skinned biracial person, society would implode.
Did Anne have any decendants? I would be pissed if my ancester got erased
@dlairdiablo Don't worry, they're already appropriating to Asian history as well.
@@rambler6519 anne boelyn had one daughter, Elizabeth, as in Elizabeth the first
Anne Boleyn was a real person..
I like how she says "Elizabeth Taylor did it why can't I" as if Elizabeth Taylor was out here claiming Egypt for herself 😂
Same as al Pacino in Scarface. Those were just talented actors portraying roles. Elizabeth Taylor I'd white...so was cleopatra. Pacino with a tan looked cuban
@@robogreek3157 there's plenty of white people in Cuba. Perfectly exemplified by Andy Garcia, ethnically Cuban, playing Pacino's nephew in Godfather 3. Latino is not a race, it's a cultural denominator that you guys use as a racial one because everything in the US boils down to race.
The Elizabeth Taylor version of Cleopatra was a movie, not a documentary. The standard for truth telling is considerably less.
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to" is a quote that comes to mind
Who knew it was to become the Lefts motto.
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt not black leftists, they want you to pretend they were the slaves from the past and that whitey is evil cuz they created a great country
Nice one
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt I mean the First Order is racially and gender diverse. What people can’t imagine is that this new form of rainbow fascism is very much alike nazi fascism, it just hasn’t gotten to the extreme genocide levels yet.
@John Smith it's not the lefts motto. I'm on the left. Woke fucks are to the left what neo nazis and the kkk are to the right
"We need strong, black, historical documentaries."
"What about King Musa, the richest man I history?"
"Nah, no one's ever heard of him. Just paint Cleo."
Yes... yessss! Feed my ego!!!!!! 🤣
What’s truly sad and ironic is that this is somehow supposed to be “empowering” to black people, but it’s an embarrassing clown show farce. I’m white but Ive known PLENTY of black people who get embarrassed about this crap. Only if they buy into the idea they “belong” to a race, but I do get it, sincerely, and that’s not my business to talk about imo. It’s sick, our culture is sick.
Mansa Musa made the biggest flex in all of history: during his pilgrimage to Mecca, he gave away enough gold to completely and permanently destroy the economy of North Africa, and then fixed those economies on his way back by taking all his gold back.
People could do research on the Kingdoms of Nubia, Ethiopia but nope we wuz the real kangz!
@@andrewmcguinness1845 Now that's a movie that I would love to see. Even a short film on that experience alone.
Facts , what do expect from j*sish ran film studios
The Ptolemaic pharaohs also had a tendency to marry their siblings, which would cause a lot less genetic diversity as well.
They were like real life targeryans.
Tendency??? Nah man. that is all they did. Cleopatra was the result of 300 years of inbreeding.
To be honest... after all, it was the norm among the royals. Even in this day and age, isn't the wife of Diana's bald son (in Britain) his "distant" cousin?
There was also an entire class of Macedonian ruling elite, the Egyptians themselves were a subject people and not part of the ruling class.
Theirs an argument to be made because her grandmother was a concubine but her being black is hilariously unlikely. At best she would be a dark skinned Greek.
I loved the scene where Cleopatra kicked baby moses in his basket into the Nile river shouting "This is Egypt!"
"Thats a black thang. You aint black. What u doing?" 😂😂 Loved it! As a black person i do remember being told she was black. I think its the same thing as when a black person has long, shiny hair its cause "i got cherokee in my blood". As an adult, hearing it now, its so strange the stuff we told ourselves and each other. Great video.
Or whatever I want some sunshine I want some UVC radiation I could care less if she green yellow purple I just need some sun I just need some radiation
Man iv even seen black people claim fucking Zeus was black. Or that the nordic vikings were black. Mr imhotep has basically been making videos on that psudeohistpry stuff for years now lol
@@masterofchaoticgames I claim the UV-C radiation from the sun 🌞
@@masterofchaoticgames in the name of hayZeus I claim the radiation from the Sun
I love hearing how awful I am all the time, then told I have no culture, but then my cultures get stolen and I'm told I'm the imposter and they are now the originators and creators of my culture and literally everything else.
Are you Greek or Egyptian?
@@johnnyklash5883 Are blue jeans and cell phones from Africa?
They speak as if Black peoples aren’t the aboriginals of Egypt, when it’s a African country. It’s disgusting
@@brianmurphy6480 Is there any point to your question? Are you trying to get somewhere?
How much longer do you think we are going to let this happen? Lol.
We are the dominant race for a reason.
I love how the director asked "Why does Cleopatra have to be white?" like she's talking about casting for a comic book movie. You're not casting a piece of fiction lady, you're supposedly making a documentary. She was Macedonian Greek so that's why she "has to be" white. Or else, you're not being historically accurate. We know what she was, you trying to pretend you know better to question it over every Egyptologist in the world is a little arrogant. Anyway, JSG said it all better but man she's so full of it.
Yep. This docuseries is getting the 'heat' because of their claim that Cleopatra was a black woman when in reality she's Greek Macedonian. Honestly, I wouldn't really care whether Cleopatra was acted by Elizabeth Taylor or Adele James (the current upcoming one). For me, when it comes to work of fiction (movies, tv series/show, etc, race swapping can be excused/justified). I was just confused on WHY they had to claim the fact that Cleopatra was an African queen...IIRC, there were black queens in Egypt but it's not Cleopatra, I don't understand why they don't just select one of those black queens instead.
That is one thing that baffled me about this, raceswapping characters can be ok because plausible defense is that they are fictional characters so it but this is advertised as a documentary with real historical figures
When will WHITEWASHED (the thing that Hollywood and cinema has been doing with EHNIC figures for generations) nincompoops realize that she was NOT "white" either.
She isn’t white either
@Outlaws the American notion of race only includes skin color, it's incredibly shallow.
“You ain’t black. What’ch you doin’?” I’m dead. 😂😂😂
actually thats not how most sound that sounds like a 90s movie line lol.
A story about Cleopatra is not actually about Cleopatra? Cool. Really makes me want to watch it.
"Next up, Jada Pinkett-Smith in the role of a lifetime in 'Rapunzel'".
HAHAHAHA oh my god
“Bitch, let that weave out.” - Luther Campbell
Hehe
Jada didn't need her husband to do her dirty work for her this time. She slapped history in the face all by herself.
Keep my wife's name out the MOTHERFUCKING history books.....
"KEEP Cleopatra's name out your fuckin mouth!"
Jada Pinkett Smith, probably
Keep the clouds out my sky and get me some radiation from the Sun uv-c
Strange days when a 1963 cinema epic visually portrays Cleopatra more accurately than a 2023 docu-drama.
The star is bright and shining the Stars bright and Shining our stars are in the sky is bright and Shining
Even Asterix and Obelix portrayed Cleo more accurately
@@OperatorMax1993 the historical accuracy of Asterix is remarkable. Unfortunately their depiction of Cleopatra is a exception.
@@13tuyuti yeah, then again I'd much rather have that depiction than this
@@OperatorMax1993 they are both almost equally inaccurate. I'll admit that Asterix is more entertaining and isn't sold as a documentary though.
As a Copt, I applaud your presentation!👏 Well done, concise and to the point !
As an Egyptian I have to thank you for defending our history from this identity politics bullshit and may god bless you
That’s the very weird thing. There’s literally an Egyptian painting of really tanned skin Egyptians hunting down black skinned Africans from back then. Clearly it’s two different races. Idk how this is even a debate tbh.
Just some guy said it best that black Americans have been robbed of their history and identity so now any nation from Africa is part of their history. And also all this identity politics 💩 that has poisoned the minds of a lot of Americans
@@zerotodona1495
Debate or not, this is funny.
Mexican = black
Arab = black
African = black
Cleopatra = white
Jesus = white, with blond hair and blue eyes.
You can say everything about americans, you can't say they don't have fantasy.
How is it ok to call Obama black, when he literally is half white, but if you call a person from africa "black" is white washing?
@@zerotodona1495 nonsense 🙄
Modern Egyptians has nothing to do with ancient Egyptians
I find it interesting that a movie about a queen who had sex with her own brothers is being executive produced by a woman who regularly cheats on her husband with her son's friends.
I can see the fascination.
@CaptainRC1 "I find it interesting that a movie about a queen who had sex with her own brothers is being executive produced by a woman who regularly cheats on her husband with her son's friends.
I can see the fascination."
And thus history repeats itself. lol
She also murdered all her bothers.
@@stephenpmurphy591 she also married them, the first one died shortly after she met the romans, and he has a disagreement with the Romans, the second brother husband married her and died around the time she started with Cesar from what I recall.
Great catch! She's definitely part succubus
Ah, but the similarities don't stop there. Don't forget squeezing out a baby to rope in a fella who will then drag you up the ladder with him.
iam from egypt ,and you have said exactly what i was saying ,HUGE respect for u ,and thank you !! ,by the way for anyone is trying to appropriate our history or our culture ,u have crossed a line here ,try to respect us we are not dead we are not vanished from this world ,come vist egypt and see for yourself ,who we are !!
Hmmmmm🤔
Your’re a Arab and Arabs invaded 636 ad
All Praises Old Glory ancient Egyptian can you give me some uv-c radiation from the Sun
I will tell you who you are.
You are an Arab, not Egyptian.
You are just as of an Egyptian as English are Celts. Just because they conquered them and live in their former territory, it does not mean they are Celts.
@@janchovanec8624 tell him louder...I don't think he heard u
I don't remember my grandma telling me something so stupid, because she was actually educated and smart.
Dear Iranian director : Cleopatra's story is completely about Cleopatra and that's why you want a piece of the action - because she's cooler than you.
Well, I have to say.. she is right in one thing.. They (Cleopatra and her)are connected.. through Alexander the Great. He conquered both Persia and Egypt, and his general's family (that general was also his cousin by the way), later ruled one.
@@vesnalukic9898
Maybe she's jealous that the Egyptians were happy to kick the Persians out for Macedonian Greeks...
@@OcarinaSapphr- Or maybe she is jealous that she isn't Greek herself
'I remember my grandmother saying to me: I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was a transformer.'
And I think it's beautiful.
Pity your grandmother never pitched that to Michael Bay...
What did she transform into?
@@completelyferrouschemist6776
Probably a monkey.
@@completelyferrouschemist6776 a pyramid
Cleopatricon was a badass.
Thank you for helping Historians!
I certainly wish more people cared more for historical accuracy.
As an archaeologist, I’m glad you provided the context at the beginning. Despite being an academic field, full of leftist beliefs, I’ve never met a single archaeologist or Egyptologist that believes the Ancient Egyptians were black
You should educate yourself about the kingdom of kush.
@@uncle-bin1750 the hubris, they are an archeologist of course they know about Kushites. Kushites weren’t ancient Egyptians, they lived along the Nile in close proximity and traded with the actual ancient Egyptians in what is today called Egypt. These are two distinct cultures. There are writings from the ancient Egyptians themselves describing how different ethnically the Kush looked from them. This is like saying the Mongolian empire was made up of Chinese people just because today Inner Mongolia is a part of China.
@outcastmodels4932..IF you don.t know ancient Egyptians were black then you need a pair of glasses ,and a brain to go with it.The black Egyptians live there today FOOL!!!!
@@Re-Todd_Howard 25th dynasty of egypt. Read it up.
Those cultures overlapped and the people interbred. That's all I'm saying. As an archeologist he should know that - so I don't know why he shortened his statement to a point where it was wrong.
@uncle-bin1750 that's like saying the Congo is White because it was once ruled by Belgians.
She saw the race swapped Anne Boleyn and said I can beat that, hold my falafel.
Or she probably remember the original script 31 years ago when they wanted to cast Julia Roberts as Harriet Tubman🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@bobbyschannel349 🤣
Egyptian Government: I will not stand for this
Didn't you hear? They called them racists , because they don't want to admit they are black just because they are Africans.
First, they rewrite the classic stories.
Then they rewrite history.
Then they rewrite reality.
This is the endgame
Dude: that last part was Profound!
Coming from a Greek, RESPECT!
Likewise, and with 400 years of the subjugation of my people, others really don't realize what being Greek is and literally giving your life for generations upon generations to preserve your heritage, from the theft of artifacts to the theft of identity, and not I'm not just taking about this mocumentary.
Thank you!
I’m pretty sure other people figured out anal sex they just realize you didn’t have to have it with underage boys.
@@brianmead7556 If you need to say this, fine. There are actual depictions of this so it's true, to an extent. Go read what the Stoics thought about this and then speakl The Greeks also have given the world so many other things that they first came up with and that every person on earth knows about (for ages upon ages, Amen). Go imagine a world without that. If you're so concerned about the underage boys, make sure to take care of the underage boys of today in our country (I am an American too, though fully Greek, and thats also for ages upon ages, Amen). Make sure the underage boys in the US stay boys. It all ties into this upside down world we are now living in. It's depressing.
Didn't the Greeks themselves subjugate other populations for like a thousand years before that? From the Alexandrian conquests to the Eastern Roman/Byzantine occupation of the Middle East and North Africa. To each its turn, I guess.
@@jugurthasyphax6341 let's see. Let's start from the most recent. In short:
The people of the Eastern Roman Empire were not under any subjugation from anybody. It was Greek from the ancient times. Contrary to what most know, The Trojans (of the bronze age ) actually worshipped the same Gods as the Greeks, namely Apollo. And we as Greeks today and from the ancients know that Menelaos was a d*ck. He is depicted that way in the Iliad itself, although King Priamos and Ektoras (Hector) and the wider family of the Trojans are depicted as truly noble. Furthermore, that's why the epic the Troades (the Trojan Women) was also written, by the Greeks themselves. Getting back to the middle ages, the Eastern Roman Empire was a melting pot and the center of the world for centuries where everyone thrived. But above all, it gave the world Christianity without crushing any other people of other faiths that lived within it.
The Alexandrias that were created all the way from Egypt to the present day Afghanistan had local populations that thrived and the Greeks adopted the local customs in each one separately. This is evident from Alexander actually marrying Roxana. It is also evidenced from the first Ptolemy being named Savior (Soter). It is evident in the love the ancient and the modern Egyptians have of all the Cleopatras and the Ptolemies. It is evident from the love the Egyptians and the Greeks share for eachother to this day (amongst many things in common in our cultures).
And in other regions, it is also evident in the present-day Kalash people of what is now Pakistan and the Nuristani of Afghanistan. Want me to go further? It evident in Graeco-Buddhism (Google it). The list goes on. Above all, Google search why so many Jewish men were and are named Alexander and Philip (313 bC). And, for us Greeks, the Maccabees are considered heroes in the Greek Orthodox faith.
Google how the Greeks were maritime traders from the time of the Minoans to the present day having the largest merchant fleet in the world.
The people during the Eastern Roman Empire did not suffer genocide (like my people did when it became something else). I can go on about the atrocities. Google the Greek Slave statue (a copy that is found in the BKLYN MUSEUM and was used to bolster the abolitionist movement in the UK and then the US). Then Google Archibishop Iakovos literally, physically, marching on the right of MLK Jr. during the March in SELMA.
The Greeks had and still have a core value of co-existing with respect for all others and knew how to elevate into their own culture by adopting what was admirable from the others, and always making reference to the fact.
Let's see one more thing: Who started the conquests? From the West, the Romans invaded Greece, but were actually conquered themselves. From the East the Persians. Ask any true Persians today about the Greek people and how many things we share in common to this day.
I understand that the people in the areas mentioned above are not all "delighted" but they know that it wasn't a genocidal like so many others have enacted upon the world, up until this past century, and that it has left a lasting and most will tell you was a mutually-beneficial legacy.
In fact the entire span of where the Greeks traveled into still to this day share this.
@@jugurthasyphax6341 Seriously, are you comparing Macedonians and Romans/Byzantines to Mongols for example? You should take some history lessons as to why some Empires last for so long.
I hope in the next Harriet Tubman movie stars a Mexican. She'd definitely know a thing or 2 about borders...
AHHHHH STOOOOOOP😭😭😭😭
That was good.
But nah I don’t like it when people try to push for more Latinos or make a big deal about Latinos being very prominent in movies likes it’s never before seen or some shit
I think they should remake Black Panther with Ed Sheeran.
@@elirien4264 At least the Panther God is actually white
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Dios mío
I think it would make sense for Cleopatra to have tanned skin, but making her pure black is like casting a Native American to play Oda Nobunaga.
Even tan though is unlikely as pale skin was a sign of aristocracy being the only class who could and would live indoors and be sheltered by parasols carried by slaves
@@brockthroton3535 😂😂😂 Poor, poor failson. Can’t even read all the big words in the article where the director admits to rewriting history on purpose 😂😂😂
Interesting, two things to that number one white people have always played Native Americans and almost every single western movie over the past 20th century. If you look at a lot of black-and-white, even if you look at Iron Eagle Cody, he's a white man that I've always portrayed a Native American in the sixties and seventies., and secondly. It's interesting you say that they made the woman pure black, because the woman whose portraying this character is actually biracial, she's white. LOL! But of course, the white part doesn't matter right
@@brockthroton3535 1) they did 2) it was fictional 3) it was stupid and 4) it bombed
@@brockthroton3535 "gods of egypt' wasn't masquerading as an educational documentary.... it was just a really bad action movie.
but sure, let's pretend all the other bullshit basically admitting how disingenuous this is hasn't been published all over the internet because you can't actually think of a good counter-argument.
As North African woman I WANNA PERSONALLY FOR TELLING THE TRUTH it takes a real smart man to do that my respect for you has skyrocketed 🤗🤗🤗❤️❤️❤️🇩🇿🇪🇬
Let's see an epic movie about Dihya/Kahina, the Berber Queen who held Islam back from large parts of North Africa for decades. Was she Christian, Jewish, or pagan? Might as well give respect to all three theories, and show her armed forces as all three, united against the invaders! (and by the way, I first learned about her in an episode of Relic Hunter called "The Warlord"). Viva Tamazgha!
@@heroineburgh she was a follower of the Judeo-Christian faith but she was a strong leader a knight and a warrior who fought two empires Greeks and Arabs to keep them out of amazigh territory on her horse amazing fearless queen 👑 killed for her humanity after getting betrayed by Arab boy that she adopted and raised snitched on her plans 😔
As a prokaryotic cell from from this land we call America would you please give me some uv-c radiation
@@mariasophia383 Seems to be some debate about whether she was Jewish or Christian, but I'll take your word for it - seems pretty clear she was Zenati, though. How did she fight the "Greeks" - did she also fight against the Byzantines as well as the Arabs? I know that at their greatest extent under Justinian I, the Byzantines controlled large parts of North Africa, but did she help to drive them out *before* the Arabs invaded? Pretty amazing to battle at the crossroads of two empires. Definitely deserves an epic film.
@@heroineburgh A fellow native NA here. just to correct, She resisted and fought the Romans, Not the Greeks. As She fought the Muslims Not only Arabs. The Muslims militaries at time were made up of several ethnicities, from the Arabs, Iraq, syrians, yemeni, ethiopuan, iranians, Egyptians, even some Berbers Libya muslims, Thats is how Islam works, when you become a member of it as if you joined an armed gang, You fight for the boss wich is Allah, even your parents and relatives whore not mulims becomes your enemies. Many of Muhammad's companions killed their father, sons.. children, in battles.
People always associate Islam with Arabs, as if it is a pure Arab creation, thats incorrect. If you know about Islam, its history, resources, scholares, wars, books,..will find that real actual Arabs cobtrihution in it does not exceed 20%... Islam from its birth was totalitarian globalist, although its strong clings on its arab nationalism roots... In other word, Whatever race you are, be it a chinese. you can always join islam, you should learn Arabic, and you must consider yourself a pure arabian ethnically, which is the most favorable race for Allah.
I remember when my grandmother told me that Jada was a cheap street walker and it was beautiful.
Even if the fortune-teller DID happen, an intelligent tone-aware person would know to keep that shit private.
Well, at least she had the self awareness to admit that she rolled her eyes at her BS level of cap that never actually happened. 😂🤣
“I’ve decided to blackwash history because a psychic told me to.”
You'd think the directors would have considered her a colonizer
Yeah that is the most hilarious thing about this. Her family fits the checklist for it.
Oh no.. colonizer is only if they colonized North America. Well, Greeks, Ancient Greeks especially never came to America.. so.. they're just fine.. and being an African, let's just make her black, because.. you know she is an African. She HAS to be black, right?
@@vesnalukic9898 Nah, it includes Africa, because they don't *really* give a shit about the Ancient American Peoples. They lump them all in one box and only cart them out when it's convenient.
The only colonizing that matters to them is Africa. They won't a do goddamn thing to help Africa, but they'll talk about how horrible colonizing and the slave trade was. I really wish they'd put their money with their mouth is instead of paying lipservice to it, while perpetuating the very exploitation they complain about.
"The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."
Guys Cleopatra was of a mix of Persians and Greek Macedonian background. Persians and Greek Macedonians were white, are still remains to this day. Persians and ancient Greeks had more in common genetically that people today realize. Mainly due to mixing of peoples from different cities.
Modern day Egyptians are a mix of Arabs colonists and different people living in the era after the Roman Empire.
Respect. As a lover of ancient history, you are the first creator I've seen note that the rulers of the Seleucid dynasty were also Greek, another creation in the aftermath of Alexander's conquest.
"Who cares about historical accuracy
As long as black girls can picture themselves as Cleopatra"
Netflix
I'm waiting for the ultimate Netflix trap... Tarzan.
What... what are you going to do Netflix? Go ahead, race swap... that's going to go well...
And that's the problem. It's all propaganda to inflate the egos of black women
You mean how they auto correct black with a capitol but not white?
No body cared about whitewashing when they released “gods of Egypt “ replacing Egyptian royalty with white British actors , but now all the sudden y’all have a problem with it ……….ok guy
The response on that movie was met with “who cares it’s just a movie” or “creative license” or “who cares it’s non fiction “ …keep the same energy
Is it weird i thin Gal Gadot could of been pretty good Cleopatra?
I agree with everything you said pretty much but I did watch all of Cleopatra as a child (teenager?) and I am well under 50. I was so enamored by Elizabeth Taylor that I went on to watch most of her filmography.
The thing about generalizations is there are going to be exceptions. The person making that docu-drama is definitely *not* one of those exceptions.
I like how she is trying to tell Egyptians she knows their history better than any Egyptian.
Actually if you want to look at historical african empires just look at Ethiopia. It was never (successfully) colonized and has plenty of recorded history.
Inconvenient
And the Mali empire as well
@@kingj9664 It's inconvenient to the Hollywoke narrative that all black peoples and nations were oppressed and/or conquered and enslaved by white men.
Which is, frankly, a huge slap in the face to black people and nations as it makes them out to be inevitably weaker than white nations and cultures and forever the victims.
@@kingj9664 inconvenient to the narrative given nowadays
And if you want to look deeper, Islamic ruling cause more damage to African countries than Europeans ever did, but we don't talk about that either.
The Ptolomeys were infamous for marrying brothers and sisters in order to not dilute their bloodline. Even in ancient times most other cultures considered this barbaric, which is why they wrote about it. A lot. So no, Cleopatra was not Egyptian just because her family had been in Egypt for a couple centuries.
Even back then incest was looked down upon despite all the wild shit that was fine is funny to me
It's also why she wasn't a "great beauty", either. Had that Hapsburg Jaw inbred look.
It was an Egyptian royal custom. Cultural assimilation is a thing, after all.
@@thearcaneartbyjac5170 , from what I read Cleopatra had beak nose, was short and chubby. That her looks wouldn't make her stand out in a crowd.
@@thearcaneartbyjac5170 some Pharaoh's where inbred, not jaw wise, as far as I recall, but like Tutankhamun was inbred in their own way, "He was not a very strong pharaoh. He was not riding the chariots," said study team member Carsten Pusch, a geneticist at Germany's University of Tübingen. "Picture instead a frail, weak boy who had a bit of a club foot and who needed a cane to walk."
Regarding the revelation that King Tut's mother and father were brother and sister, Pusch said, "Inbreeding is not an advantage for biological or genetic fitness. Normally the health and immune system are reduced and malformations increase," he said."
This was an excellent commentary. Thank you very much for your hard work and your perspective.
Man… love your videos.
Contemporaneous descriptions of Cleo have her as being comically short and having a massive honker. I want to see that accurately depicted.
😅 Yeah, if that one coin is anywhere near accurate she had a big nose , and was hit in the face with the incest shovel. Woof...
OK, so basically Ana Kasparian, but amputated at the knees? 🤣 Or maybe Barbara Streisand digitally de-aged?
The Ptolemy Family was Macedonian with one Infusion of Persian (Arsinoe) inbred.
I remember back in 1992 just after the movie "Malcom X" came out, some show did a "man on the street" interview and the reporter asked some black kid wearing a Malcom X ballcap (a black hat with a large "X" on the front) if he'd seen the movie yet.
The kid replied, "No, I'm waiting to see the first nine movies first."
The irony was just fucking amazing.
Hey I mean… At least he knew what Latin numbers are ^^ ?
Was "Malcom X" set in space like "Jason X"?
@@thermonuclearcollider4418 No, Malcolm X was obviously a Mutant
@@CrazyMazapan So he was Malcom X-Man
I've been watching UA-cam for years. This is literally the first comment I have ever posted EVER! And it's because this was so hilarious and well said I couldn't help myself. This was perfect! Thank you!
The way you have narrated this video is absolutely amazing well done and thank you
"Apparently, rewriting history is the new black".
THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE. This whole video could've ended after four seconds. That was just *ART* in seven words. Nothing on the rest of the Internet is going to top this all week. Just Some Maestro.
White people been doing it for decades. 🤷♂️
How it always goes:
A black person worked with a white man on a game console so he invented the game console.
A black man added the yellow light so he invented the traffic light.
A black man exposed the heart during surgery so he was the first to do open heart surgery.
A black woman created a toilet paper dispenser so she invented the toilet paper dispenser.
A black women worked under a lead mathematician during the moon expedition so she was so critical to the success of the mission that it simply couldn't have happened without her.
@@eddardgreybeard yall are so pathetic. The pros of culture theft don't like when other people do. Ok snowflake
@@eddardgreybeard ... I wasn't commenting on any wider political situation or longer history, just on JSG's clever wordplay...
@@eddardgreybeard I've seen that Hidden figures film would have been just fine without all the invented racism they added in. I read afterwards that NASA was actually incredibly progressive even in the 1950's and all the racist events in the film didn't happen. Such a shame because because the people portayed were incredible and their story was great withou that.
Also glosses over the fact the the Ptolemys often married brother to sister. Her first husband was her brother.
That’s called monarchism for ya
@@willfakaroni5808 the Ptolemies really took it to 11, though, or possibly 12. the marriage between Cleopatra and her brother was actually one of the tamest periods, if only because she had him killed young instead of after he had their first born son dismembered and sent to her as a birthday present.... yeah, that actually happened in that dynasty....
honestly, race baiting takes all the potential fun out of the story you could tell about the Ptolemies.
Considering the Hate-Boner USA has for "Incest" in general...
Its not surprising.
Often is really light way to portray the matter.
Out of all the Kings and Queens,only like 3 weren't brothers and in their case they were cousins.
@nickpaschentis5284 true, I just didn't have the exact numbers.
Thank you for actually taking the time to research the topic & present the truth with such clear vision. You are a rarity these days. God Bless!
Brilliantly presented. I gave viewed DOZENS for these responses to the Queen Cleopatra teash pile. Yours is among the best.
I went to the director's wiki page and this is what it lists her professions as, in order: "activist, artist, director, and screenwriter." lol, big surprise!
That pretty much says everything.
‘You can’t be this stupid- you can’t- you just can’t…’ love it!!
The Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow there'll be sun tomorrow tomorrow I love you Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Always love your videos. Telling it like it is.
I was not expecting that dig at Creationists. Makes me love this channel even more.
The amazing thing is, there is currently a film out at cinemas about Chevalier, a French composer who was genuinely black, depicted as black and I hear no celebration from these people, no joy of having a film about an actual black historical figure. But likely because they never heard or Chevalier, so for them it has less value.
Oh Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow
I'm certain Mansa Musa of the Mali empire was black, and he'd be a great subject for a docuseries. There was also the Ethiopian empire that would be fascinating for most people to learn about, myself included. I'm sure an actual historian could dig up even more cool stuff than I could, and I'd like to hear what they can add.
What's funny is that these people claim "we don't know" Cleopatra's skin colour to justify their blackwashing, but in truth we have the exact same evidence that Cleopatra was fair-skinned as we have for Mansa Musa being black, which is to say, mostly contemporary art of the person.
So I say to make things fair and balanced we should have a Mansa Musa TV series where he's played by a ginger kid from Ireland or Scotland. After all, ""we don't know"" that Mansa Musa wasn't a white redhead! What bothers you so much about a white Mansa Musa you bhiggot!?!
Of course what we'll actually get is probably something like The Woman King, and invent some plot about Mansa Musa fighting the evil white colonialists.. who cares that he lived 400 years before European colonial empires showed up!
The Kingdom of Aksum would be another good subject for a docuseries.
The Nubian Empire, which conquered Egypt and formed the 25th Dynasty would be another good one.
The Zulu conquests, the Zimbabwian Empire, the rivalries and wars of West Africa (including Mana Musa) would also be great to see.
Hell just the fact that Mansa Musa spent so much gold on his journey to Mekkah that it lowered its worth in the places he stopped is hella interesting. I get Ancient Egypt has the most fame of Africa but co-opting it instead of exploring the rest of the continent isn't helping the cause.
musa also had thousands more slaves than the largest slaveholder in America
This must be the most intelligent narrated video I have seen here on UA-cam !
And I seriously like your style and your speech !
And because of all mentioned above I will subscribe to your YT channel
Great work !
Keep doing this great videos and work of yours !!!
You know Guy, I really appreciate that every time, and I mean EVERY time, that you want to quote someone, you literally lead-in with the word "Quote".
It's just so refreshing to know that I can subconsciously trust you to do the research and find the ACTUAL, FACTUAL sources for what you're arguing about, because you do it every. Single. Time. It's something that can very easily be taken for granted on this platform. You're the gold standard we deserve.
So if Egyptians were black, then they're saying we black people enslaved the hebrews?!😅
Yes, but they also say that the Hebrews were black.
@@kingj9664 the only problem with that, is that black people being enslaved is modern history. And we are direct descendants of it. After all, we still speak the language of our slave masters, and we have the names of our slave plantation owners, you should be quiet and stop talking so much.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984
2:23 “What bothers you so much about a white Malcom X?”
Thank you "Some Guy" you are brave to talk about this, u are a beacon of light. Keep it up.
When an Iranian doesn't know that her country chose that name over Persia b/c of its proximity to the word Aryan. Her people are literally the fair-skinned non Arab Muslim nation of millions.
True, and also, being a Persian, she should know how Greeks actually looked like.. especially Alexander the Great and his generals (most of them were even his own cousins)
@@vesnalukic9898 it’s funny bc as a person born of the 90s diversity is a norm of modern society , we accept and tolerate different traditions and moral frameworks. The prevalence of isms and istaphob perspectives is nauseating. The world is vast and different. Everyone is too invested in their feelings and what they see in the mirror. history is history and the cards are dealt . To color wash anyones history or even doing it to fictional characters is more harmful than good.
That woman doesn't know that Macedonians are Greek despite Alexandros' and Seleucos' empires being part of her country's history, do you expect her to be aware that the Ptolemaic Dynasty of Egypt (or actual native Egyptians for that matter) weren't black? It is clear she has never even opened a history book.
@@vesnalukic9898 Alexander the Great was fairer than a typical Greek individual of that time period.
very interesting thank you for the insight !
The backlash and controversy are exactly what Netflix wants. It's all part of the new marketing that every streaming service does.
This is a good lesson in "how to piss off entire countries in one go."
5:31, the Seleucids were also Macedonian Greek and the Ptolemies married their own siblings to keep their royal blood uncorrupted
I kinda wished they also made a tv episode on pharaoh nitocris, a woman who took the throne as a puppet queen because of her advisors who slaughtered her brothers.
She then took revenge by assassinating the murderers by drowning them in a large room that was connected to the nile river....
damn, that's hardcore
0u0 Mai waifu...
There were 5 Egyptian Pharaohs we know were pretty unambiguously black, the 25th Dynasty was made up of Nubians from modern-day Sudan and South Sudan, and were notably darker in skin and had more sub-Saharan African facial features as shown in the statues made of them.
Mind you, that's only 1 Dynasty out of 33.. and ruling for less than 100 out of the over 5000 years of Egypts' Dynastic periods. So on one hand, black Pharaohs were real - but black Egypt, not so much.
Black Hole Sun Black Hole Sun won't you come won't you come
According to massive dna analysis, that is incorrect.
Let all of us sign a petition to direct Martin Luther king Jr's biography with Henry Cavill in the role📝
thanks for keeping it real , as a punic roman greek person i always was a fan and you always kept it real ♥ thank you
No you're not all that shit
I watched the cleopatra and im under 50. My mother loved Elizabeth Tyler.
Same for me!
Yup seen it twice, Elizabeth Taylor gorgeous.
The same here. I watched the movie along with my mom and we both teared up at the end. Elizabeth was gorgeous and she nailed the role, colour or not. Plus, the film didn't call itself a documentary.
@@irena4545 also they want a big name playing back then. We in a age where we should be put the right cast for roles. No race swapping.
General consensus among historical scholars is that Cleopatra is Macedonian Greek with little bit of Iranian. Netflix could have gone with Nefertiti or Hapshepsut who were actual African-Egyptian queens if they wanted to but they probably thought Cleopatra was more famous.
"We want to give black people someone they can look up to, so we should make a show about famous black people of history."
"Okay, cool. Were there any?"
"Probably, but doing actual research is boring, and I don't like doing real work. Just slap blackface on famous white historical figures."
Oh, and don't forget that incest was a huge part in keeping the bloodline as pure a possible that went back many generations from Cleopatra I to Cleopatra VII that we are talking about now.
-"You can't be that stupid"
-"Is that a challenge?"
when Brutus said "It's morbin time" before stabbing Caesar in the back... it spoke to me
Also, side question: weren't the dynasties of Egypt infamous for inbreeding? Why would there be genetic diversity when they were "keeping it in the family?"🤔
OOF
British royal families were known for inbreeding as well , what’s your point?
Seems like most monarchies, and most of mankind until surprisingly recently, were pretty fond of marrying within the family. NOT marrying your cousin has only recently (historically speaking) become the expectation within AMERICAN culture, and we've only been a nation for 200ish years.
I`m convinced that most royals only bred with each other or with other royals who kept the genes "between themselves". This was a very important rule for the blue blood, they believed that they were descendants of the Gods, so... "bastards" weren`t welcome.
@@brockthroton3535 that a bunch of inbred greeks and north africans are highly, highly unlikely to be black, most likely....
kinda' have to have some sub-saharan african blood in you to be 'black', living on the continent of africa doesn't just magically darken you over time....
We're at a point in time where no one would be surprised if Wanda Sykes was cast as Princess Diana.
It's nice to know "artists" in this day and age in the U.S. work hard to annoy and anger people rather than make actual art.
It's not just about color, Egyptian had a completely different culture form the rest of Africa.
Even today, people have different traditions, food, religion, languages all over Africa.
To paint an entire continent as being the same because people have the same color is just ridiculous.
It would be as if someone from Uruguay and someone from Alberta would be put in the same box just because they are both white.
I don't think anyone was necessarily saying they are "the same", so much as pointing out the one thing JSG got wrong; whether ppl want to accept it or not, there WERE black rulers in Egypt (and black ppl). They weren't the only peoples and the only rulers, but they are always the ones ppl try to act like never existed. That's where the frustration comes in, it's already been proven again and again but ppl conveniently feign ignorance (not you, but ppl who research it brush past countless archeologists openly showing several Egyptian rulers were black). That being said, Cleopatra wasn't black and it would've made sense to just make a docu about the actually black ones if they cared so much. I'm not surprised though, I'm part Filipino and it's pretty well understood that several indigenous melanated tribes in Phillippines are treated with indifference and prejudice despite legitimately being the first peoples of the country. Ppl gotta be honest all the way
@@icebearnicho8256 then make a documentary about that!. See that's an intresting story to me. I dont know jack about the Phillipines.
But to hear this moronic producer basically thinking that Africa is just one big black neighborhood is just ridiculous. And she should be humiliated for it.
So East Africa culture is different than West African culture, South African culture is different than Central African culture. You don't know anything about Africa, that's okay I'm here to educate you.....
Number one the ancient Nubia culture was astoundingly similar to the Egyptian culture, in fact there is struggle reference that says that ancient Egyptian culture may have come from Nubia. Not only that.. Ethiopian culture is so radically different then Congolese yeah... Yeah, so, Africans have different cultures all throughout the continent oh, you should be quiet and stop talking so much. Ancient Egyptians had a disc God, ancient abyssinians worship disc God. Basically, they worship very similar gods in ancient Africa. The song God. So did ancient Kush, which has down there in Somalia. They also worship a disc God in the Horn of Africa.
@@bobbyschannel349 if your are gonna "educate" someone, do better than wikipedia
I know Ethiopia is on the whole other side of Africa from where most black americans can trace their ancestry, but there has to be some kind of story people can tell about those guys. They had to be pretty badass to never be invaded until Mussolini. And the mali empire is in east africa and definitely has something for people to write about. Hell Mansa Musa alone would be enough for a few movies.
Not even that far. Nubia, a nation just to the south of Egypt, had a rich and recorded history. They even conquered Egypt for one dynasty, the XXVth.
Sundiata Keita is better then Mansa Musa
Trace how far back? 10000 years? Majority of African-Americans are descended primarily from West Central Africa.
@@RoninDave there's the yoruba and the right woman king lore. ♨️Would be fire if done right.
@@RoninDave That's what I was about to say, the overwhelming majority are from the West lol.
Saying that the egyptians and the sub-Saharan Africans are the same because they are both in continental Africa; is akin to saying that the Indians and the Chinese are the same because they are both in continental Asia.
Well said, that was great thank you
I love your content so much and your speaking voice and vocals. I'm a Nigerian and I've never been able to understand black Americans when they speak but my God every word was clear and understood.
I love his voice. I watch many of his videos more than once. Firstly for the pleasure of his well reasoned arguments. After that because his voice helps me sleep.
He's not the only UA-camr I use this way.
Nigeria 🇳🇬 and South Africa 🇿🇦 in the house 🎉
Because a lot of black Americans are the most incompetent people on the planet.
I'm Black American i don't understand Nigerians either..all of those resources but always running away from Africa.
@@stonedecatur6602 you should listen more than you speak and probably read more ain't you guys always calling us third world countries? We want better living standards for ourselves and families than we currently have due to corrupt and greedy governments that's why we migrate not because we like to but because we must. I've got nothing against black Americans like yourself but coherent English is not some of y'all strengths. It's just refreshing to hear some of you clearly and understand what was said hence my comment. That's effective communication when you hear and understand ok?
Been hoping he would touch this one. Can’t wait to hear what he has to say.
No body cared about whitewashing when they released “gods of Egypt “ replacing Egyptian royalty with white British actors , but now all the sudden y’all have a problem with it ……….ok guy
The response on that movie was met with “who cares it’s just a movie” or “creative license” or “who cares it’s non fiction “ …keep the same energy
@@brockthroton3535 really? See I think you’re a disingenuous ass hat because *I* remember there being nothing BUT comments about white washing with that move. And it was a crappy movie! The only reason no one actually cared was because it was stupid. And let’s be clear! No one cared about THIS until the country of EGYPT made an issue of it. So stuff your what about ism and straw men. No one cares.
@@brockthroton3535 except that movie did get backlash...oh yeah....and it wasn't as fucking docuseries. On the flip side of mythology nobody cared Heimdall was black despite coming from a white pantheon and on top of that fact Heimdall's epithet is the 'whitest of the gods'.....because marvel thor is nothing whatsoever like myth.
@@brockthroton3535 nice copypasta.
With all this free promotion, now I really can't wait to see it.
Thanks👍😁
Thanks again for standing up for the facts of history.
I like that you throw creationism in there to show you're not pollical you're just being rational. This lunacy comes from both the far right and the far left.
If looking for black queens, the queen of Sheba would has been a great choice to explore and investigate, she’s mention a lot in the Bible.
Kinda requires they open a Bible. And read it. But I suppose someone could hold it for them, open it for them, and read it aloud.
@@abcdefghij337 plus the bible isn't exactly a bastion of historic accuracy
@@InfernosReaper You'd be surprised.
They keep finding the evidence for peoples originally named only in the Bible.
@@InfernosReaper apparently she’s a debate historical figure, but that’s exactly the point, if you want to make a documentary and bring to the forefront Black queens, get in touch with the scholars, investigate and open a debate that will let people know about true black historical figures.
@@marykateharmon Name dropping someone who actually existed is not the same as being historically accurate.
A great example of that is Exodus and the guesswork that goes into trying to figure out what Pharaoh they're talking about.
Brilliantly stated!!
I think it's less stupidity and more arrogance. They don't care and don't think they're in the wrong.