Because swedish geography is teacherous and not in favor of giving swedes the geological advantage. Also, modularity means you can switch broken modules with brand new, undamaged modules, instead of replacing or scrapping the whole craft/vehicle altogether. It also has the benefits of being easily modified, so there's that.
An 80's Saab was so well built that my half brother went over a steep cliff falling roof first after a 9 meter.. or c.a 27foot drop. The only place that was not completely crushed was the area around the front seats. They had to cut him out but almost any other car and he'd been a total goner. I love uncle Saab. Respect.
SAAB automobile and SAAB Group are two wholly different companies. They have had nothing to do with each other since 1990 when SAAB automobile was sold.
UA-cam WHY AM I SUDDENLY GETTING SAAB ADS THEY'RE NOT EVEN CAR ADS THEY'RE SWEDISH MILITARY WEAPONRY I DIDN'T EVEN KNEW SAAB MADE MILITARY WEAPONS AAAAAAA
Saab manufactures, among other things, the jet aircraft Jas Gripen, the air defense system Robot 70, the nautical miles robot system RBS 15, the grenade rifle Carl Gustaf and the radar systems Erieye / Globaleye, Arthur and Giraffe.
@mike force I think I remember one swedish sub defeating a carriergroup by it self. USA has it on lease from Sweden to work out how %&@%#&# to deal with it. 👊😎
@mike force hehe. Well if the carrier takes a permanent dive there is not much carrier left in that carrier escort group. You telling me you have not heard?
mike force Alright, both of you are idiots. It did happen. It was a military exercise that the US and Sweden participated in. BUT, where you’re right, is that in real life, the Carrier Strike Group won’t be limited to a small space for the games.
@mike force I'm not quite sure what we're disagreeing about. My takeaway from your comment was that you're denying that the test ever happened, which warranted my stupid comment to your side. A quick google search pulls up hundreds of results of people sh*tting on the US for letting our carrier get sunk. Now, the other guy you were arguing with was an idiot was well. I've seen the movie before. It's a great comedy, but as a full fledged documentary, nah. Read the book.
Sincerely hope Saab will get the order and that the Royal NL Navy will be able to purchase 4 (instead of the 3 envisaged right now). The Rheinmetal alternative in my view is pretty good as well, though I am not certain if the diameter of the hull is the same and will sustain extended periods of patrolling, the accomodation of special forces (for insertion/extraction) and a seizable weapons load out. As for the French design (Barracuda based for the Royal Australian Navy) I'm not so convinced. As with the Collins-class the approach il likely to spiral in terms of cost and planning due to RAN-specific demands.
Collins-class did not spiral out in cost. By 2006, A$5.071 billion had been spent to build the submarines (excluding the fast track program); after taking inflation into account, the project had run less than A$40 million over contract. When the fast track program is factored in, the Collins class cost just under 20% more than the inflation-adjusted contract value; a smaller increase than other contemporary defence projects. By todays standards these cost-overruns almost looks cheap - just compare F-35.
Pincer88 The Royal Netherlands Navy will acquire 4 submarines. The RNLN has stated that 4 subs is the minimum number it needs in order to always have at least 1 submarine fully operational. They count with 1 sub in maintenance, 1 sub just returning from a mission, 1 sub that is ‘working up’ / preparing for operational duties. And 1 sub at sea.
Pincer88 as a French , I would be glad if you bought the barracuda , French submarines have maintained French dissuasion needs all over the world with success and will continue for next decades . Still glad you buy subs , it is a great way to protect your waters ! 🇳🇱🇫🇷👊🏻
I hope Saab gets the orders as well. And not just to replace the Gotland and Walrus, but maybe the Upholder/Victoria as well. I also wish that the US and UK would consider supplementing their boats with SSKs. (Either A26 based or Scorpène-based.)
Saab and Damen......Fwaaa you guys are allready my favourite Defence companies...now you team up 😁😁😁 I look forward to your sub surprising the US Carriers in Wargames lol
SAAB did built cars & pretty fine car at that!!! SAAB cars were just as good as Mercedes Benz & BMW!!! infact some SAAB models turned out to be even better than Audi & VOLVO (their core competitor in their home country Sweden)!!! there are few such versatile manufacturers in the world that could built cars, ships & aircrafts all at the same time & builds them even to this day!!! how many companies can do that??? SAAB cars would still be on our roads, had it not been for the bureaucracy & politics that eventually doomed SAAB's car division!!!
Minimale lengte achter drukhuid moet toch minstens 70 mtr zijn, het beste zou zijn een lengte van 80-90 mtr en mijn voorkeur gaat uit naar Damen-Saab, NOOIT met Fransen in zee gaan
@@goodputin4324not before 2030 is my guess. the problem is all new technology that pops up during construction so they halt everything to add new stuff and when that is done something even newer comes along. been building them for what now, maybe 20 years lol. oh well atleast the gotland class is upgraded and very cabable.
@@thomaszhang3101 Im pretty sure SAAB doesnt build tanks, but they build ships (SAAB Kockums) and ofc they build the gripen
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Saab bought Kockums in 2014 so it's a recent development. Kockums being into ship-yards. The Swedish MBTs are Leopard IIs so German, the CV 90 is a co-operation between Hägglunds and Bofors. Strv 103 (Stridsvagn = Battle wagon = battle tank) was made by Bofors but 81, 101, 101R, 102, 102R, 104, 105, 106 and Bärgningsvagn 81 (rescue wagon 81) was based on the British Centurion. Sweden has also bought Patria 8x8s from Finland in recent time. Before that we've got various military "moving people/equipment/battle" vehicles made by Hägglunds, Volvo and Scania. Archer (artillery) are made by Bofors. The bandkanon / tracked cannon was made by Bofors. So Sweden has built tanks but it haven't been SAAB who has been building them. Bofors is pretty large too. Actually it seem like what used to be Bofors (which got bought up by Celsius from Nobel) are now part of SAAB Dynamics (robots and light suppression weapons) and BAE Systems Bofors (firing tubes, medium and heavy caliber ammunition) where the later is part of BAE Systems Inc which are owned by BAE Systems Ltd. Long history. Kinda the first manufactured export from Sweden was cannons AFAIK. We had steel, ships and a military at that time so ..
Popping a submarine is like the Oxygen from a bottle. That is how a submarine is destroyed the oxygen from within its confinement. Avoiding sonar. It's like the hunt for red October. Our ability to respond to threats is to act in kind.
excellents god bless philippines sweden tigers of the south we modernized more good luck to all .......... philippines navy need sweden submarine to there modernazation program
Clue: WWII history thoughts us. On 10 May 1940, the German army invaded the Netherlands. It was the start of five days of fighting that resulted in the occupation of the Netherlands. Following the fall of Poland, an amazed world watched tiny Finland, a nation of less than four million people, fight off 26 Russian divisions. In any possible conflict i.e. sphere of interests between super-powers, a smaller country may find itself drawn into conflict (despite itself say it want's to be neutral), it's always the aggressor who decides if it respect it or not. It's difficult to predict future flash-points -- but it's better to make the price high such that "borrowing" some land is an unattractive option or it become time consuming and does not give any tactical advantage.
Submarines not only deter hostile marine activities. They are quite good for signal intelligence - or countering other countries to have subs in front of your door - spying at you. Discrete surveillance of shipping routes. Transport of commandos... actually german subs at least WHERE active in the syria conflict to provide information to NATO and germany. Russia is using them in the black sea and mediterranian sea to spoof gps and by this making the US boys angry.
The current Dutch submarines were not build by Saab or in Sweden but were an indigenous design build by the now defunct RDM. This video show shows a bid by Saab and Damen for the replacement of those submarines but it has not been decided yet whether these or one of the other two bids will be build.
LostinPA - The hull electrification feature is also available for SAAB aircraft. To protect themselves from giant pterosaurs and hostile wing walkers ;)
its modular, so its kindof what is happening.. sweden makes the parts they do good, and holland the parts they do good. Like the thyssenkrupp colab.. eventhough that ended with thyssenkrupp getting chased by military police xD I used to live right next to a thyssenkrupp storage.. EVERY night, wierd shit was going down there :D at first I thought it was a whore house of some sort, then I realized they were military/spies and thats why everything was so shady lol!
Nice to know that SAAB didn’t completely go down the toilet in 2012. But it a shame the Car division no linger exists. GM completely ruined the brand. From a car manufacturer that was seen by many as a Quality car maker that need backing to improve its product so they could rightfully compete with German brands and just turned the brand into badge engineered Opel/Vauxhall products to compete against itself.
Between them, GM and Ford wrecked a lot of famous brands. Luckily a few were saved - such as Volvo with Geely, JLR with Tata and now Opel/Vauxhall with Peugeot. Even Mazda are better without Ford's "guide". Shame about Saab cars.
Sweden, Please sit with Poland to table and make alliance. We would buy some submarines and other stuff. Ah dreams :( I hate polish post-communism politics.
On an exercise recently, a Swedish submarine 'sank' your largest carrier. The sub was powered by a Stirling engine design. Not bad for an 'old' generation craft!
Hardheaded Dutch MoD still refuses to buy "off the shelf"....so these new subs will probably be years behind schedule and billions over budget. As usual.....
The SAABMARINE
A former Dutch submarine sailor once told me that nucleair subs sound like hot water kettles whistling underwater.
Great cooperation with Sweden and the Netherlands! Thank you from Sweden!
I just realized that SAAB is really into adaptability and modularity. Shown in both sub and Gripen software architecture.
It's a lot like that other Swedish-founded multinational design bureau, IKEA
I am not a arms dealer ... so why UA-cam recommended this to me
... or am i ?? 😐
Because swedish geography is teacherous and not in favor of giving swedes the geological advantage.
Also, modularity means you can switch broken modules with brand new, undamaged modules, instead of replacing or scrapping the whole craft/vehicle altogether. It also has the benefits of being easily modified, so there's that.
@@catsfrommars CV 100 - by IKEA!
The Weapon Collection I actually admire them for outsourcing - they put away national pride to used only the best/most affordable components.
SAAB the company who can’t build cars but can build jets and submarines.
They could, they just couldn't make money building them. ;-)
An 80's Saab was so well built that my half brother went over a steep cliff falling roof first after a 9 meter.. or c.a 27foot drop. The only place that was not completely crushed was the area around the front seats. They had to cut him out but almost any other car and he'd been a total goner. I love uncle Saab.
Respect.
FozWasHere
Your profile image makes me sad 😓
SAAB automobile and SAAB Group are two wholly different companies. They have had nothing to do with each other since 1990 when SAAB automobile was sold.
L E M O N it’s sad censorship exists eh
UA-cam WHY AM I SUDDENLY GETTING SAAB ADS THEY'RE NOT EVEN CAR ADS THEY'RE SWEDISH MILITARY WEAPONRY I DIDN'T EVEN KNEW SAAB MADE MILITARY WEAPONS AAAAAAA
I think UA-cam wants us to plan world domination so we can throw out article 13
SAAB has a division. SAAB AB (manages the airplanes) SAAB Auto (which already defunct) makes cars
If you own a Saab car, it must be a transformer in disguise
THEN YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID AND UNINFORMED!
@@Callsign_Prophet what is arty 13?
The Swedes really know how to build next-level military gear. Pure quality and really easy to use.
Probably the best in the world...
proud swede right here
Citation needed
Heretical.
I agree 👍🏻
@@jb76489 citation for what?
Would be nice to see a hour long video on this type of sub
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Subscribe to jiveturkey and wait, he will put out a sub brief soon
I asked a veteran what he loved most about his service, he replied we all lived in Yellow Saab Marines
Saab manufactures, among other things, the jet aircraft Jas Gripen, the air defense system Robot 70, the nautical miles robot system RBS 15, the grenade rifle Carl Gustaf and the radar systems Erieye / Globaleye, Arthur and Giraffe.
And Combat Boat 90, which is fucking awesome. If you like that sort of thing.
Is the ignition key on the floor in between the front seats?
Yes, and you can only remove it if the gear is in reverse!
SAAB placed the key between seats because it woud be safer in an impact. So you dont get the key in your knee
SAAB ROCKS! SUCH AN AMAZING COMPANY!
I've gotta say, this actually look bloody impressive. Like the new top design's shape. Feels very streamlined in its own way.
Superb quality submarine
@mike force I think I remember one swedish sub defeating a carriergroup by it self. USA has it on lease from Sweden to work out how %&@%#&# to deal with it. 👊😎
@mike force hehe. Well if the carrier takes a permanent dive there is not much carrier left in that carrier escort group.
You telling me you have not heard?
mike force Alright, both of you are idiots. It did happen. It was a military exercise that the US and Sweden participated in. BUT, where you’re right, is that in real life, the Carrier Strike Group won’t be limited to a small space for the games.
@mike force I'm not quite sure what we're disagreeing about. My takeaway from your comment was that you're denying that the test ever happened, which warranted my stupid comment to your side. A quick google search pulls up hundreds of results of people sh*tting on the US for letting our carrier get sunk. Now, the other guy you were arguing with was an idiot was well. I've seen the movie before. It's a great comedy, but as a full fledged documentary, nah. Read the book.
@mike force calling other people idiots does not make you smart.
Damn, Saab makes SO good advertising :)
Why UA-cam keep recommending this stuff to me
Even when i am not a arms dealer ... or am i ?? 😑
Don't be in denial, google algorithms know better.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 no further comments... 😈
SAAB is all need to have a great influence around globe...
Their products are amazing n cost effective in terms of operating cost, maintenance etc...
Exactly, a country with a 10bn military budget can be extremely powerful if armed with Saab weapons. Just think of their advanced awacs aircraft
Here in Denmark we build those subs for private use ;)
Julius Drastrup There was a guy who took a woman on a tour...right?
Plenty of private subs out there. Though you guys are so far the only ones that has had a murder mystery on one.
oskado95 lmao, not rlly a mystery anymore though.
Anyone need 15 tons of heroin? Meet me in my sub on a beach of your choosing hahaha
Yeah it was something about a swedish reporter
Sincerely hope Saab will get the order and that the Royal NL Navy will be able to purchase 4 (instead of the 3 envisaged right now). The Rheinmetal alternative in my view is pretty good as well, though I am not certain if the diameter of the hull is the same and will sustain extended periods of patrolling, the accomodation of special forces (for insertion/extraction) and a seizable weapons load out. As for the French design (Barracuda based for the Royal Australian Navy) I'm not so convinced. As with the Collins-class the approach il likely to spiral in terms of cost and planning due to RAN-specific demands.
Collins-class did not spiral out in cost. By 2006, A$5.071 billion had been spent to build the submarines (excluding the fast track program); after taking inflation into account, the project had run less than A$40 million over contract. When the fast track program is factored in, the Collins class cost just under 20% more than the inflation-adjusted contract value; a smaller increase than other contemporary defence projects. By todays standards these cost-overruns almost looks cheap - just compare F-35.
Pincer88 The Royal Netherlands Navy will acquire 4 submarines. The RNLN has stated that 4 subs is the minimum number it needs in order to always have at least 1 submarine fully operational. They count with 1 sub in maintenance, 1 sub just returning from a mission, 1 sub that is ‘working up’ / preparing for operational duties. And 1 sub at sea.
Pincer88 as a French , I would be glad if you bought the barracuda , French submarines have maintained French dissuasion needs all over the world with success and will continue for next decades .
Still glad you buy subs , it is a great way to protect your waters !
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I hope Saab gets the orders as well. And not just to replace the Gotland and Walrus, but maybe the Upholder/Victoria as well. I also wish that the US and UK would consider supplementing their boats with SSKs. (Either A26 based or Scorpène-based.)
Awesome video folks, very well done (and great boats!)
Saab and Damen......Fwaaa you guys are allready my favourite Defence companies...now you team up 😁😁😁 I look forward to your sub surprising the US Carriers in Wargames lol
Why do I have a sudden urge to shell out money and buy myself a submarine now.
This is a really bad joke!!! Maybe you're Danish and soon have a meeting with a girl
SAAB did built cars & pretty fine car at that!!! SAAB cars were just as good as Mercedes Benz & BMW!!! infact some SAAB models turned out to be even better than Audi & VOLVO (their core competitor in their home country Sweden)!!! there are few such versatile manufacturers in the world that could built cars, ships & aircrafts all at the same time & builds them even to this day!!! how many companies can do that??? SAAB cars would still be on our roads, had it not been for the bureaucracy & politics that eventually doomed SAAB's car division!!!
0:42 heavylift ship MV Grietje, carrying bridge module for Singapore's Independence LCS? twas 2016
Idk i guess ill sub?
Nice to see our Swede brothers are getting into subs , greetings from France .
We make good subs as well
hehe we Swedes arent only now getting into subs, we were the first in the world to fire a missle underwater.
Very DEEP knowledge
Minimale lengte achter drukhuid moet toch minstens 70 mtr zijn, het beste zou zijn een lengte van 80-90 mtr en mijn voorkeur gaat uit naar Damen-Saab, NOOIT met Fransen in zee gaan
Did he actually just say, "DEEP knowledge..."?
Nice, SAAB
If the A26 ever gets ready that is. How long has it been in the pipeline at Kockums by now? 6-7 years?
Won't be ready till 2027
R&D.
@@goodputin4324not before 2030 is my guess. the problem is all new technology that pops up during construction so they halt everything to add new stuff and when that is done something even newer comes along. been building them for what now, maybe 20 years lol.
oh well atleast the gotland class is upgraded and very cabable.
@@provetamin aye
Submarine 900 Turbo.
:36 - Does this part show structural members forming from sintered metal?
No, that material is used in the weldingprocess.
Submerged Arc Welding.
Whoa, I thought SAAB is only making Gripen!
Desmond Bagley which one?
Look at my latest video. Jas 39 gripen flew by my house😎
@@thomaszhang3101 Im pretty sure SAAB doesnt build tanks, but they build ships (SAAB Kockums) and ofc they build the gripen
Saab bought Kockums in 2014 so it's a recent development.
Kockums being into ship-yards.
The Swedish MBTs are Leopard IIs so German, the CV 90 is a co-operation between Hägglunds and Bofors. Strv 103 (Stridsvagn = Battle wagon = battle tank) was made by Bofors but 81, 101, 101R, 102, 102R, 104, 105, 106 and Bärgningsvagn 81 (rescue wagon 81) was based on the British Centurion.
Sweden has also bought Patria 8x8s from Finland in recent time. Before that we've got various military "moving people/equipment/battle" vehicles made by Hägglunds, Volvo and Scania. Archer (artillery) are made by Bofors. The bandkanon / tracked cannon was made by Bofors.
So Sweden has built tanks but it haven't been SAAB who has been building them. Bofors is pretty large too.
Actually it seem like what used to be Bofors (which got bought up by Celsius from Nobel) are now part of SAAB Dynamics (robots and light suppression weapons) and BAE Systems Bofors (firing tubes, medium and heavy caliber ammunition) where the later is part of BAE Systems Inc which are owned by BAE Systems Ltd.
Long history. Kinda the first manufactured export from Sweden was cannons AFAIK. We had steel, ships and a military at that time so ..
Built cars aswell
I assume their is going to be a town car version ?
Parking is going to be a nightmare.
baginatora just pop the e break
Popping a submarine is like the Oxygen from a bottle. That is how a submarine is destroyed the oxygen from within its confinement. Avoiding sonar. It's like the hunt for red October. Our ability to respond to threats is to act in kind.
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Hej, jag skulle vilja köpa en kärnvapenubåt. Hur mycket kostar det?
Kosatka looking good
excellents god bless philippines sweden tigers of the south we modernized more good luck to all .......... philippines navy need sweden submarine to there modernazation program
*What the hell are the Europeans defending at this point ?*
Mostly... Chinese over fishing near the coasts.
@@biscuitninja No that's the south americans
Clue: WWII history thoughts us. On 10 May 1940, the German army invaded the Netherlands. It was the start of five days of fighting that resulted in the occupation of the Netherlands. Following the fall of Poland, an amazed world watched tiny Finland, a nation of less than four million people, fight off 26 Russian divisions. In any possible conflict i.e. sphere of interests between super-powers, a smaller country may find itself drawn into conflict (despite itself say it want's to be neutral), it's always the aggressor who decides if it respect it or not. It's difficult to predict future flash-points -- but it's better to make the price high such that "borrowing" some land is an unattractive option or it become time consuming and does not give any tactical advantage.
Submarines not only deter hostile marine activities. They are quite good for signal intelligence - or countering other countries to have subs in front of your door - spying at you. Discrete surveillance of shipping routes. Transport of commandos... actually german subs at least WHERE active in the syria conflict to provide information to NATO and germany. Russia is using them in the black sea and mediterranian sea to spoof gps and by this making the US boys angry.
I am defending my wifes boyfriends refugee status.
Is A26 and Walrus the same ?
USS GERALD:
*Chuckles*
I'm in danger
What a joinventure
As a dutchman myself, i didnt know we used Swedish submarines
The current Dutch submarines were not build by Saab or in Sweden but were an indigenous design build by the now defunct RDM. This video show shows a bid by Saab and Damen for the replacement of those submarines but it has not been decided yet whether these or one of the other two bids will be build.
Kom så Danmark, køb nu svensk hardware!
What happens if giant squids grab the sub? Can the hull use electricity to zap them off?
LostinPA - The hull electrification feature is also available for SAAB aircraft. To protect themselves from giant pterosaurs and hostile wing walkers ;)
You should call it Saabmarine.
So is it better than an all-Swedish one and if so why don't we let them do the part they are batter at for ours? =P
It probably isnt, but the dutch government obviously prefers to have part of the manufacturing done in holland.
its modular, so its kindof what is happening.. sweden makes the parts they do good, and holland the parts they do good. Like the thyssenkrupp colab.. eventhough that ended with thyssenkrupp getting chased by military police xD I used to live right next to a thyssenkrupp storage.. EVERY night, wierd shit was going down there :D at first I thought it was a whore house of some sort, then I realized they were military/spies and thats why everything was so shady lol!
It’s the same deal as with SAAB Gripen. “If you buy from us, we let you take part in production.”
They should leave it painted orange. Looks cool and representative of Holland!
Should use a thorium liquid salt heat source so that it is a REAL sub rather than a submersible boat.
Pls offer this saab submarine to the Philippines Armed Forces
Im come from sweden
Nice to know that SAAB didn’t completely go down the toilet in 2012.
But it a shame the Car division no linger exists.
GM completely ruined the brand.
From a car manufacturer that was seen by many as a Quality car maker that need backing to improve its product so they could rightfully compete with German brands and just turned the brand into badge engineered Opel/Vauxhall products to compete against itself.
any north american car manufacturer will ruin eu manufacturer when they buy it, cause they don't know what quality is
Between them, GM and Ford wrecked a lot of famous brands. Luckily a few were saved - such as Volvo with Geely, JLR with Tata and now Opel/Vauxhall with Peugeot. Even Mazda are better without Ford's "guide". Shame about Saab cars.
Not many American manufacturing companies know what quality is. Almost everything they produce is crap. Especially their cars.
Sweden, Please sit with Poland to table and make alliance. We would buy some submarines and other stuff. Ah dreams :( I hate polish post-communism politics.
Why is youtube even suggesting this. USA and Russia aside, There are no subs worth advertisement
My point is It's money that could've helped people in dire need but instead were tossed away on these wicked contraptions.
Sorry for the Swedish navy, no vls included!
First they need to have missiles for that. As long as they havent such things a vls makes no sense
Why would we even need a VLS?
Look into Google, type A26 attacksub there will be a picture of the export sub 3 times 6 vls for Thomahawk cruise missiles.
@@atelierbluefire That may be but it doesn't change the fact that Sweden has no need for a VLS
Maybe not today but with few wessels around we my need to support our own forces at a long distances!
SAAB-KOCKUMS ist' one good competition for TKMS , NAVAL GROUP and NAVANTIA in the contruction of Submarines of new generation !!
Meh. Still waiting for the Seaquest😜
Yeah when you think of the forefront of military technology you think Sweden... ah what? No. When I think of Sweden I think of Malmskillinsgatan.
Only one got land to take the US Ronald rregan aircraft carrier and much stealthy more in this year.
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I thought it was a civilian submarine that cannot be used for war. dammit
Can you guys replace your PR department? You selling me military equipment not furniture
Can you know make a good car?
Cool story bro. But US Virginia Class is a whole generation ahead.
On an exercise recently, a Swedish submarine 'sank' your largest carrier. The sub was powered by a Stirling engine design. Not bad for an 'old' generation craft!
@@cicero2 Heard about it. But remember, those are only exercises mate.😉
@@patricklioneljonson2747 but the USN was so concerned, it requested a further year of trials with sub.
It's Holland
オランダの潜水艦の話題ですね。サーブ社の。軍事研究家ペイソンコリンズ
I'd rather ride a Ticonderoga class cruiser
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Waste of money.
GEKOLONISEERD
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The Karlskrona - the most accurate....the rest was fakenews
Too bad their politicians have given up their own country.
As if that had ANYTHING to do with this
That Moment when you find out the Swedish Submarine is just a german Type 212 with a "uglier" Command-tower.....
nothing bad but just saying......
Hardheaded Dutch MoD still refuses to buy "off the shelf"....so these new subs will probably be years behind schedule and billions over budget. As usual.....
Waste
GEKOLONISEERD