Good informative video. I've always liked CDs for three main reasons. No contact playback, small size versus playing time and virtually NO noise, no wow, no flutter on playback. I've had a Technics player since 1990, no repairs, gets played at least 15 hours each week, still sounds great to my old ears.
At the beginning of the 1990s, there could be big sound improvements in just two years. A Denon 1992 sounded significantly better than a Denon from 1990 and then we are talking in the budget class Type corresponding today to 200 to 250 €. note at the time Denon won CD tests. The fight was well between Pioneer and Denon
Though i am a fan and have DENONs from that golden era of the hifi industry i must confess that the fight for the leadership was not only between Pioneer and DENON. Sony, Marantz , Yamaha and some other companies also had excellent models.
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I only had about 500 & even though vinyl is my favourite I still purchase a regular supply of cd's from magpie today while they are very cheap at £2 each. I am currently in process of ordering another 100 for £180 with bulk buying. I am lucky I am old enough to be around when vinyl was way before cd's so plenty of both formats. Most converted to flac albums too for streaming. More music than I get time to play now. I was born into vinyl & no doubt still die listening to it in my armchair.
However, there are those who believe that music masters today that are published on vinyl or hires have better dynamics. due to the fact that they probably do different Masters. The CD today unfortunately does not have the same status as it did 20 years ago. Unfortunately, the record companies probably think that those who buy music on vinyl or hires demand more and may also have more expensive stereos
Note that there are those who only use the vinyl record to charge extra. The same album on vinyl can be significantly more expensive than a CD has ever cost. who would have thought In the 80s or 90s when someone in the record industry thought that vinyl records were too cheap
I was 29 years old in 1995 when my parents were thoughtful enough to buy me my first CD player! I was buying mostly cassettes at the time. I never purchased another cassette again. I still buy an occasional record, but I still buy about 25 to 30 CDs every year. I think it's a truly great invention. Physical music media forever.
Great video. I'm fortunate to still have my Sony CDP-X7ESD that I bought new just after they were released here in Australia. I hadn't used it for years until about a year ago when I thought I would unbox it and see if it was still operable. The two drive belts were stretched and defective and thus the transport was intermittent, but some new belts solved that issue, and it now sounds as good as the day I bought it. Fabulous engineering that Sony did on that model. Truly a work of passion by the engineers of the time.
Thanks for making this video. CDs and CD players were a galaxy leap forward from cassette tapes and when you buy the CD you own it and the quality will never degrade if you take care of them. In my college days i used to walk around with a Sony Discman strapped on me everywhere. I even own one today. Its a great piece of history.
What a greatful journey into the history of CD-Players! Thank you so much! My first CD-Player was a Hitachi DA-1000 from 1984. My last a Marantz CD-10 from 1993 which I use today. It is a very good „analogue“ sounding Player, brilliant.
So interesting! The uptick in CD sales is a pleasant surprise. As a 40-year-old, I am rediscovering the CD medium. The vinyl revival, however, is something I've never understood.
I bought the first Sony as a package system as soon as it first came out and it still plays as good as the day I first had it. The touch buttons on the front needed to be modified when I had it serviced two years ago. The CD drawer seized but now is as good as new. It still produces a great sound. Built like a tank. The drawer glides out with no shudder like cheaper brands.
What an interesting video. Can't wait for part two. I'm from the Netherlands and a vintage Philips audio lover. In the 80's and 90's they made their best audio products in collaboration with Marantz en Grundig.
@rogervd666gamer. Greetings from the U.K. I still have my Philips CD650 which I bought new in 1986. As a vintage Philips audio lover, you will know all of the technical innovations and features of this CD player. Last year, I took the player out of storage and sent it to a specialist in Israel who completely overhauled and updated the machine ( including the addition of a FEMTO clock system). It sounds absolutely fantastic and I measure the sound performance of all other CD players against my Philips CD650. Is there a comparable Marantz CD player from that time? You and yours stay safe and well.
@@markmiwurdz202 Oh, that's also a nice vintage Philips CD Player. At the moment I use the Philips fa890 amplifier, cd850 cd player and the fb821 speakers. I like that u use this old Philips CD Player, the most people throw them away. If you give the player sometimes some love it will play almost forever, the old Philips magnetic swing arm drives are not fancy but they last many many years.
@@artisans8521 oh, that's a shame. Do you already know what's wrong with it. Most of the time it's a bad elco or cold solder joints. This can be fixed for almost nothing.
I think it is important to have physical media, for two reasons, one: to be able to hold and read along to what the artist is projecting(and for the art), and two: if we have back-up power, we will need music to make it through the coming apocalypse. This is a GREAT experiment! I wish I'd thought of it.
I have no more room for CDs, so I've gone over to the dark side, uncompressed streaming. I use Amazon Music Unlimited, Echo Link player & a Fire tablet (for control) & have enjoyed hundreds of 'new' albums in the last few months. I have filled in the 'holes' in my classical & jazz back catalogs. I use YT channels for new release influences. I do miss liner notes but something had to give.
I use roon with qobuz into a blue sound node 3 into an external dac, sounds fantastic. I use a cd transport and also a turntable. The streaming absolutely wins hands down.
so loved this amazing video on cd players past and present .I fell in love with this format in 1984 marantz cd 73 ..looking forward to part 2 and 3 .many thanks for all the wonderful discussions .Best channel ever .😊
😀 - nice choices, but if I had mentioned all of them too, it would have been a very long video 😂. Choosing was difficult and indeed, I missed some great ones!
This is one of the most interesting YT videos and series about audio gear. It was a pleasure to listen to and to see! Great series indeed! Among other many CD players, I have also owned a SONY Discman and I regret selling it. Also, one of the most interesting CD players that I have tested, not owned, was the first CD player from YBA. I have owned a lot of crappy cd-players from Sony, Phillips, Marantz, Denon, Arcam, and some interesting DVD players. The CD player that allowed me to listen to classical music was Marants CD63 OSE LE and that YBA.
Thanks for this review of the most iconic CD players. I bought mine in 1983 in France and it was the CDP-101. Why I preferred it other the Philips one that was available at the same time? Well, the Sony player was the only one with an IR remote control, a serious advantage for the music man comfortably installed! With its front loading tray and its beautiful front panel, complete fluorescent display, sensitive push buttons, it completely outclassed the 3 Philips models available at the same moment and of course the sound quality was there too. Today, I still have it and use it. Of course, it needed some repairs over the years: I had to fix the motor drivers, changed the dried grease, changed some tray gears, and did a partial recap... But it's still a wonderful player that supports the comparison with modern players!
I bought my Rega Planet in '97. It has been faultless to this day, everything functions like it did on day one, and it still sounds fantastic. I have absolutely no plans to 'upgrade'... ever.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk i only heard it in a blog when discussed the late 90´s Rega cd players, i haven´t a Rega, i have Pioneer , Revox, Philips, Teac,Technics, Sony DVD/CD player (the one that as better frequencie response than most of others cd players)also a CEC belt drive,it seems to be very good ,but i felt very bad when paying to change the belts, my father bought a better one and gave me this when he was still 89 years old, once i saw in what hi-fi ,the magazine "the most analog cd player of the world "and i think i read words like"... the best in the whole world..." but if my father bought a better one it seems it isn´t, but he passed away last year so i didn´t had time to open all boxes of hi-fi components that belonged to him so i only refer to the ones i have now at home, the philips also won a prize in the 90´s but with a box saying Marantz Dual DAC ,etc.,etc.,
Wonderfully informative! Many of your comments hold true for me (as they did for turntables) - I started out in the early 1970s with B&O equipment which, as you imply, was based on looks rather than quality (although to me it sounded fantastic). My new wife (at the time) was not too happy! As I commented on your turntable video, in the 1980s I had the classic Garrard turntable set up which I took with me to Egypt on a government job. My vinyl survived the heat but, through contacts, I saw the potential of CDs in my travelling life. I bought a NAD player and amp and used them extensively for many years in many places (they travelled well!). On retiring in 2016, I invested in Cyrus' Lyric set up which still serves me well today. A point you could have considered more widely in your review was the development of CD players for cars, etc - this played an important point in my selecting the Cyrus Lyric as a solid investment in more ways than one! I look forward to more of your videos.
Hi thanks for your back story and kind remarks. True, cd was perfect for cars and in fact was probably the beginning of the end of hifi being exclusively’ at home’
The knowledge others have and share is the greatest gift. I am so thankful for people like you and your willingness to share and i hope you realize how much we appreciate what you do. Then you head to the comments to see people share their own experiences and it makes you enjoy and appreciate all the beauty that is in the world
Thank you so much!! You will find that I have basically two play lists ‘Great Recordings’ where I talk about famous recordings or pieces of music, and also HiFi Equipment and general topics…. Enjoy!
I remember the launch and first CD players arriving in New Zealand. My first player was a Sony D50 (like you pictured) and although long retired to very occasional use it still runs perfectly well today! When new the build quality was astonishing, but didn't think it would last 39 years!
I was relieved to see the D-5/D-50 in the list. That had to blow some minds in 1984. The D-J50 and D-88 also show how absolutely mad those lads were. I know they might not be the pinnacle of high fidelity, but they are marvels of engineering nonetheless.
I have recently found this channel and really enjoy Harley's delivery and honesty on all range of topics! I recently changed my Meridian 500 CD transport for a Cyrus Cdt-XR and haven't looked back. While the Meridian was wonderful in so many ways and pretty much trounced anything
What a nice topic and great to get this beautiful medium back in the spotlight. I loved my first CD player, the Philips CD104. I remember being moved by the sound of the Dire Straits Brothers in Arms CD. I still have the Brothers in Arms CD and it has been playing exactly the same for over 38 years. Awesome! Unfortunately I gave away my CD104 player in early 2000 😞
This was good and I look forward to the other parts. I have had many players but I have settled on a few older models. I have two Yamaha from mid to late 90s and they sound great. My main player is an Ah! Njoe Tjoeb CD4000. It is actually a modified Marantz with a tube output. I still play cds regularly and now that they are super cheap used,my collection is still growing.
My first cd player bought in the early 80’s was a Hitachi DA-1000 and I can still remember the sales man telling me that only 100 classical music disc’s were available at that time nothing else, sadly long gone along with my early cd’s which had deteriorated so no longer played, so much for ever lasting held up to a bright light they looked like the night sky 🫣
Excellent video. Brought back memories of my first Sony Discman which I bought for about $400 AU in the late 1980s. It needed 2 AA batteries which surprisingly lasted for a reasonable length of time. The motor must have been very efficient. I believe the unit had 2 or 3 seconds of playback buffer which was used to minimise vibration and movement effects on the laser reader. Also had an external power supply and output jack. A Gryphon Ethos for $39,000 is very tempting but I may pay off some of my home loan instead. Gryphon Ethos - what a name!
Good to see a positive video about cd playback. I see many vinyl channels that look down on cd's. I have however some problems with your iconic top 20. For many years i've used a Meridian 508 (24). It played beautiful. But today I own for some 9 years or so an Meridian 808. I'm in love with that machine for a long time. I wil never change to another player. I've never heard cd''s so vinyl like and nice for your ears as with this machine. Its not absolutely neutral it has an somewhat warm sound. I have an very eclectic music taste say from loud rock tot classical. This machine makes the best of every cd. It is vintage because they don't make them anymore. But if you can get hold of one listen to it.
One of my instructors in grad school James Russell was the inventor of the triple interweave process used on CDs for its error correction system. SONY is correct. They wanted to make sure that the CD could fit Beethoven's 9th without having to change CDs. That's where the capacity of a CD came from, Beethoven.
Thanks for your comment. Agreed. However, I believe it was the Philips team that determined the capacity of the CD itself. This was back in the mid 1970’s.
@@PearlAcoustics this is where I will repectfully disagree. It was sony, as the 9th is something of an obsession with the Japanese. This per my professor.
@@kevinfestner6126 Hi Kevin. I am sure he’s correct. However, Philips invented the CD (including its specifications) before Sony ever heard of it. But it’s not an issue - the important thing is that Beethoven 9 fits on it! 😉 Enjoy the music
Maybe sort of... "The original target storage capacity for a CD was one hour of audio content, and a disc diameter of 115 mm was sufficient. However, according to Philips, Sony vice-president Norio Ohga suggested extending the capacity to 74 minutes to accommodate a complete performance of Beethoven’s 9th Symphony on a single disc , however Kees Immink of Philips denies this. The extra playing time subsequently required the change to a 12 cm disc. According to a Sunday Tribune interview the story is slightly more involved. At that time (1979) Philips owned Polygram, one of the world’s largest distributors of music. Polygram had set up a large experimental CD disc plant in Hanover, Germany, which could produce huge amounts of CDs having, of course, a diameter of 11.5cm. Sony did not yet have such a facility. If Sony had agreed on the 11.5cm disc, Philips would have had a significant competitive edge in the market. Sony was aware of that, did not like it, and something had to be done. The long-playing time of Beethoven's Ninth imposed by Ohga was used to push Philips to accept 12cm, so that Philips’ Polygram lost its edge on disc fabrication." So maybe just an excuse on Sony's part if the above is true
@@pc750-V4 James Russel, who taught one of my grad school courses stated that when Sony was designing the Walkman, one VP came in with a block of wood, and said, this is the size it will be, no larger, no smaller. When Russel worked with Sony on the error correction of the cd, the parameter was, it must fit Beethoven's 9th. Russel stated this is how sony designed, based on one goal parameter. Probably why the L cassette failed. Sony had some major flops, as well, like Beta vs VHS. Lon Neuman, an engineer for Sony who was responsible for some of the early use of Sony digital equipment in the entertainment business, esp at Warner Bros, confirms the cd we have today was from Sony's development and not Phillips. In fact Sony built for Warners in Burbank a complete sound studio. In it's day, it was the state if the art. I was in it many times, and it was wowing. I did note that one of the mix down speakers were not JBL, but locally made RSL 3800s. I was in a Sony built cd disc mastering studio in Pasadena used for demonstration purposes. Sony wanted to be the go to standard. They used a digital beta machine as part of the process. I took humor in that. In the early days of digital, Sony was very aggressive in getting its foot in the door in the entertainment industry. It had it's own office of engineers in an office building in Burbank, at the time, in the same area where Warners, Universal, Disney, NBC, ABC, and the famous Burbank Studios are. Sony, no baloney 😂 . When I think back to those days, L.A. was a dynamo. Now look at it. This is why I'm in Las Vegas, where we're trying to build an entertainment biz here, and we've made some progress.
I've been an Arcam fanboy when it comes to CD players. I've owned a few of them in the past and a couple of years ago upgraded to the lovely CDS50 SACD/CD player. Thanks for the video.
I worked an audio store in the early 80’s. Missed the very beginning. The Technics SL-P7 was now out and quite nice and popular. The CDP101, even though still available when I started, the CDP30 was the successor we sold the most.
The SL-P7 was my first CD player. It was a price breakthrough, being $499.99 in 1984. I didn't see any CD changers in here. My old Sony claimed a 45-bit (!?) D/A converter. Still sounds terrific.
I enjoy the video and the CD history overview. I arrived late to CD, in fact I decided to buy CD's instead of records before I had a CD player. A friend copy them to a cassete in order I could listen to them. And my firs CD player was really no a CD player, it was a DVD player that used more for listening music than watching to videos. The last devices I bought for listening my CD collection are, a Blu-Ray player Yamaha BD-A1040 because it reads also SACD and HDCD and finally I got a Musical Fidelity X-T100 together with the separate power unit Triple-X and also a CD player X-RAY V8, that is the only CD desk I ever have and it sounds incredibly good. I am waiting very exiting for the following video. Thank you.
Hi. Excellent video on an interesting topic. I basically agree with all the devices mentioned in the video, but I think the Naim Audio CD2 (1995) would definitely be worth mentioning too. This model was one of the best sounding CD players of its time and also featured iconic “hinged” front loading mechanism for the first time.
Infact I have from 2006 a Naim CD5 X but the pick up and It begin to jump but the pick up Is finished in Italy so I 'll have to buy another one but not Naim any more.
As a bit of a collector myself, you've made a great video. Thank you for your time. PS. I think that you may find the first 2 box CD player was the Cambridge Audio CD1. Released in 1985. A real trail blazer, it uses 3 of the Philips TDA1540 DAC chips per channel and was designed by Mr Stan Curtis. It still sounds wonderful.
Thanks for you kind appreciation and also to adding to the discussion. I didn’t know about the Cambridge (it didn’t come up in my research). I will check it out!
nice walk down memory lane. Look forward to the next 2 shows. My first CD player was a Pioneer purchased around 1986 (possibly the PD-7030). I would later purchase the interesting PD-65 (you play the disc upside down on a platter that rotates). SACD moved me into Denon gear after that.
Great video, some good history, some I knew, some not so much. Was fortunate to find a CDP-X7ESD in the 90s, still have it, and it's playing now. Impeccably engineered with a rather vinyl-like presentation. Spent a good while as a tech servicing CD players and related. Favourite players would be older Denon and Sony machines, esp before the 1-bit era. If someone reading has an older player, it's worth knowing a good tech, they still require occasional mechanical service assuming unobtainium lasers hold up. We play on, thank you from New Zealand
Excellent survey! Of course you couldn’t cover every brand, but at least here in the USA, the Oppo brand had (and has) a reputation for astonishingly good sound at reasonable prices. They’re really kind of legendary now, and it’s a shame that they ceased production of these machines a few years back.
I completely agree. It is a crying shame an Oppo product isn't in the review. I have had four models total and each one got better than the last. The review is almost not worth watching without an Oppo in the mix.
Oppo has nothing in common with this kind of cd players, it's a Chinese company founded in 2004 that only made DVD and Blu-ray universal players, they are not related to the audio world of the 80's and 90's.
@@francoisdallaire127 Ah, so there is a cut off for review based on country of origin? Do I sense a bit of snobbery? And are you saying CD players prior to 2004 weren't reviewed? BTW, the OPPOs played SACD, DVDs, CDs and Blu-ray. The review goes into the 2020s. The last Oppo, the BDP-205, may very well have run circles around those reviewed. It now sells for 2-2.5x it's last list price. For Chinese junk no less..............
Nice video! To play and work Pinkeltje needed 3 or 4 big suitcases full of electronics when these Philips people arrived in Japan. Later this all got in to a few chips. Great work and amazing!
Great presentation. My 1st CD was a Denon DCD-1520, bought in 1987 and lasted until 2019 after the Sony laser died. After that I moved to Rega Apollo that I friend gave it to me and fixed myself replacing the transport. My last acquisition is a Marantz ND 8006 CD/Streamer Combo.
Great video, I still remember some of the CD players. My best CD player I ever had was a Luxman D 105u, hibryde along with the LV 105u amp and B&W matrix 802 speakers) Greets from Belgium (near Leuven & Tienen) Keep up the good work 👍
I have loved CD’s since my first in 1987 as an 11 year old. This was an interesting list. I like that you included some very affordable models to compare. Looking forward to watching the next part!
My first CD player was a Philips player, can’t remember the model except it was a front loader and had battleship build, even the CD draw was all metal construction. Be about 1986 or 1987.
I also purchased a Philips model around 1987. The big attraction for me was the remote control and variable outs that I used to go directly to a Kenwood power amp. Heaven!
The CD100 used all philips tech with 4 times oversampling iirc, The Marantz CD34, was basically a Philips CD104. The Philips CD304Mk2 I think was the first to use the TDA1541 16bit dac.... the previous generations used a pair of TDA1540 dacs, one per channel, unlike the Sony CDP-101 that as you rightly say, had a single 16bit dac, no oversampling, and time shared between channels, which some people say gace it a somewhat bright and metalic quality..... Actually I love all of them, having had many CD100s CD63, Medidian MCD, Pgilips CD 200 and CD 303, 104s, CD373, Marantz CD15, CD17D.... the 17D used a much later CDM12/VAM1201 laser, The S0ny machines, anything with a KSS210/22/240 onwards is generally very good and servicable imo... Love the video, many thanks, Rich
My cd player history started in 83 with the Marantz CD73 with the motorised tray. I’ve owned many a cd player since including Linn CD12, Naim CDS3 and currently a Audiolab 8200CDQ. I still believe it’s a great format and can and does produce some fabulous sounds.
I have owned many Compact Disc players over the years. Many have very robust build quality, like Sony’s high end ES. For the most part , I have found that today’s modern players sound better than any of the older ones, due to the DAC’s. Also, the older lasers are nearly 40 years old in many cases, and are unreliable. My favorite CD player is actually a Toshiba SD-3800 DVD player. It has a 128kHz 24-Bit DAC. I found it a a local thrift store for $8 USA. 😮
Thank You for this very nice time travel through the Era of CD. 😊 I personally believe, that the fact of 14 vs 16 bit is not relevant, much more interesting is, that the Philips TDA1541 was a D/A conversion chip (in the first models it was TDA 1540) that had a unique musical sound, that still rules today. It was so good, that even Sony used it in its models (CDP 227/337/555ESD), and many High End manufacturers used it as well, like Creek, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, Naim, Revox, Sugden, Cambridge Audio and even Audio Note. There is a still growing fanbase of TDA1541 and 1540 people, who build DACs with adapted I/O units for actual bit rates of modern streaming. Best Regards from Austria! 😉
I have done a lot of work on early CD players; the CD101 is an amazing machine but it uses one 16 bit DAC and shares it between two channels via multiplexing! Compared to the more primitive Philips CD100, it sounds soulless. I have worked on and modified many 1st snd 2nd generation Philips and Marantz machines, and even developed a small board which replaces the digital filter chip and removes oversampling and cleans up the data to the DACs. This makes the CD104 the best sounding player I have ever heard in my 35 years as an audio electronics engineer!
@@gil3green mine has a few weak LED segments but functions perfectly in my workshop system and still bops merrily along with that signature Rega rhythmic sound. I think it holds up pretty well musically, if not in refinement
Hi Harvey. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Ken Ishiwata and the Marantz signature series. I have an early CD94 and it really is first class considering its age and stands up well against most modern machines such as the Marantz SA10.
Thank you, very kind! Absolutely, charity shops are the source of great music collection opportunities. In Ealing’s in London, there’s a brilliant Oxfam CD and vinyl shop with all the artists mapped out professionally and they have a fantastic classical section too!
I’m looking forward to additional parts. I remember my first experience with the CD 100. I put on a London recording of the Messiah and the words “ Comfort ye my people “ stunned me. I could not afford the player but fairly soon the price dropped and after checking with 😂Jack Renner of Telarc ( the only one I knew who had heard both performance and the players) I purchased one rather than the Sony. BTW that is why I enjoy your channel so much: you have heard and mastered the live music, the gold standard. Your observations have meaning.
Slightly surprised that Nakamichi didn’t make it onto your list, their CD players were long lusted after as they were very expensive for the time and never within my price range
I’m still listening to my Marantz CD12 Transport and separate CD12a dac. Sounds amazing and it’s definitely over thirty years old now . Just had the transport serviced
The Marantz CD 63 that you refer to, was Ken Ishiwatas 1st product at Marantz. Yes, it's a Philips in disguise. Later that year, Marantz released CD73 which had Ken's improved DAC design.
On the inside the CD-73 was essentially the same the the Philips CD-300. Exactly the same signal processing. Same TDA1540D ceramic DAC’s and identical analogue buffering output stage. CD-73 and CD-300 were both made on the same production lines in Belgium. The MARANTZ Bus Remote system was incorporated in the 73, and of course the styling, and physical structure is different on the MARANTZ. But the core player is identical, with identical components, and identical sonic performance.
The Sony D-5, the first discman that you show at 40:23 was my first CD player. Not much selection in the way of CDs back then, my first two were Michael Jackson Off the Wall and David Sanborn Voyageur. I got many years of service out of the D-5, but it did have a pretty aggressive sharp sound, definitely not "vinyl".
My Top 4 players would be: Technics SL-P990, Technics SL-PJ38A (Identical to Phillips), Any of the Pioneer Stable Platter series and the Sony CDP-XA7ES. Actually added bonus, Rotel RCD-965BX.
The Philips was actually called Pinkeltje, after a famous Dutch little childrensbook character the size of your pinky finger. Love your presentation! Other story: the CD used to be 10cm, around 60 minutes but it was said Sony demanded it to be 12cm/74minutes. Next to the change from 14 to 16 bit, this too supposedly was a move to set back Philips as the infrastructure for 10cm discs production was just being put in place in Europe. People say 74minutes is the length determined by the longest played version of Beethoven's 9th symphony.
Thanks for your very kind words and interesting addition to the story. From my research I think we can be very sure that Philips determined the size and length of the CD, as there are photos of it taken, before Sony even saw it. It is certainly true that Sony switched to 16bits at the last minute. I think it is also a case of the Sony engineers wanting to have some input in the total design. Philips was also a major record label at this time, with a massive reputation in classical music, whereas Sony Music, as a recording company did not begin until the early 1990’s, when the American division of Sony took over CBS. I guess there must be a definitive work on this topic somewhere?
@@arthurgordon6072 certainly, this is why the 8cm cd-single was possible. But there are some mechanical challenges, when the cd-single in 8cm version was released, many players at that time were not able to play them. The CD-tray did not have an indent and it was a risk that the small CD would miss-align and even could get the complete CD mechanism stuck. This is why they also has the 8 to 12cm adaptor, you can click around 8cm disks..
@@arthurgordon6072 Oh there are ways to work around that. Vinyl being one obvious case study, but consider a Laser Disc player as well. Not only are CDs and LDs significantly different in overall diameter, but their innermost track isn't the same either.
So you forgot dCS. The first to come with dedicated DSD back in 1998. They were physically large and came in four boxes but they still sound as good if not better than many high priced modern players
Harvey, what a trip down memory lane. My dad bought our first CD player, a Sony, in the late in the mid-80s. I remember reading in stereo magazines about most of models you mentioned. Makes me feel old. 😊 Pity no CD12.
Got a Sony CDP x55es as a student. Was build like a tank. Beautiful wood on sides. Put it on a slate plate. Pulled out the powersupply in a seperate box. Canged the opamps to Burr Browns and the capacitors to mkp4. Took it to hifi shops to compare. The folks were astounded. Quiet, clean and detailed. But seems a bit slow with dynamic music. Next step was the rega apollo. Loved it to death. Rega DAC and PC was more than equal. Nowadays I sport an dedicated Music PC with roon next to my beloved Burson Audio Conductor 3 reference. Now i can play my CDs lossless, my old mp3 and tidal stream im my house and even via phone everywhere, even in the car. Roon for me finally is the ultimate integration of all of my music on my fingertips and let me discover music on my harddrive and in the internet. But sometimes I miss the simplicity and constraint to listen to one album at a time. ❤
Might be nonsense, but apparently the first run of Sony Playstations had audiophile grade cd sound. I myself had a Sega Saturn console which also used cd's and it also sounded fantastic.
Nope not nonsense, however it wasnt all of them it was only the ones with the Red/White Phono connections ont he back.. which not all of them had. But yes they where audiophile grade indeed.
Great to look back. I was just about to buy a hood turntable when CD players came to market. I bought the Meridian MCD which as you know was based on the original Philips top-loader. A lovely player, sadly stolen. I replaced with a Sony ES player. That was superbly built and still works reliably today, decades later. Although now I now use a Unitiserve in my Naim system using the NDX DAC. Which does bit perfect copies of the CDs, so the reproduction is great and convenient to use. The Sony player handy for playing the Mini-CDs, remember them!
Surely the Esoteric/Teac VRDS transport engineering dynasty deserved a bit more of a mention? Those VRDS transports were/are also bought by other manufacturers such as Wadia and dCS for 20 years etc because they were considered the pinnacle of transport engineering (and unfortunately had a price to match). I know you mentioned the Teac P1/D1 but it was the underlying vastly different approach to the transport that continues in those players today. And in terms of the future of the physical CD/SACD medium - Esoteric (and Denon?) continue to invest in development of both transports and the new discrete, non chip DACs. Perhaps supported solely by the continued popularity/resurgence of SACD in Japan?
Looking forward to part 2 however, you've managed to pick a collection of machines which do not feature the legendary Phillips TDA 1541A dac where many a giant killer was born not least the Rotel RCD855 £3000 sound for £300 back in 1990 even today i still find myself removing a cd from my Roksan Caspian and placing it in the Rotel.
Dear Daniel, the Philips CD880, I feature has the TDA 1541A Dac chip that you mention. I have just checked the photos I took of its interior, and it’s their plain to see. I hope you enjoy part 3!
Thanks for posting this video Harley. I learned a lot about the history of the CD. I started a little collection of import CDs. I'm curious to find out what are a few of your favorite 'desert island' audiophile CD recording are. I have a few favs... Steely Dan's Aja..a Japanese CD pressing & Rickie Lee Jones 'Live At Red Rocks'... Warner Brothers Japanese CD pressing...2 brilliant performances, IMO. TX, David-
Hi David, glad you appreciated it. I am not sure I have favourite CD recordings as such…. I like your suggestions but have way too many to mention but here’s two: Joni Mitchell Travelogue, Steely Dan ‘Two against nature’
For me the Sony CDP-X777ES is the best CD player. It's almost the same player as the CDP X7ES, but the CDP X777ES has a better and double DAC. But I must say.., the sound quality is not that much better than the CDP X7ES. The CDP X7ES, CDP X77ES and the CDP X777ES are using the same mechanism, built like a tank!
Great video. I kept expecting the Arcam Alpha 7 to come up, or so something from Musical Fidelity but we all have our favourites. I've had a bunch of different machines but I think my favourite, even over big heavy two box MF players, is my Oppo BDP-83 universal disc player. A great sounding well built understated machine. I still use it plugged into my Denafrips DAC using a little Chinese I2S adapter.
Good informative video. I've always liked CDs for three main reasons. No contact playback, small size versus playing time and virtually NO noise, no wow, no flutter on playback. I've had a Technics player since 1990, no repairs, gets played at least 15 hours each week, still sounds great to my old ears.
Thanks, much appreciated. Thanks for your comment too.
At the beginning of the 1990s, there could be big sound improvements in just two years. A Denon 1992 sounded significantly better than a Denon from 1990 and then we are talking in the budget class Type corresponding today to 200 to 250 €. note at the time Denon won CD tests. The fight was well between Pioneer and Denon
Though i am a fan and have DENONs from that golden era of the hifi industry i must confess that the fight for the leadership was not only between Pioneer and DENON. Sony, Marantz , Yamaha and some other companies also had excellent models.
But noise and flutter are good things and is gave Analog the warm and imperfect sound.
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CDs rule. Being buying them since 1988. And will always be my choice of music format.
Yep. Buying them since 1985 - Have about 4000 now. Mind you - All of them get ripped to my USB HDD for playing.
I only had about 500 & even though vinyl is my favourite I still purchase a regular supply of cd's from magpie today while they are very cheap at £2 each. I am currently in process of ordering another 100 for £180 with bulk buying. I am lucky I am old enough to be around when vinyl was way before cd's so plenty of both formats. Most converted to flac albums too for streaming. More music than I get time to play now. I was born into vinyl & no doubt still die listening to it in my armchair.
However, there are those who believe that music masters today that are published on vinyl or hires have better dynamics. due to the fact that they probably do different Masters. The CD today unfortunately does not have the same status as it did 20 years ago. Unfortunately, the record companies probably think that those who buy music on vinyl or hires demand more and may also have more expensive stereos
Note that there are those who only use the vinyl record to charge extra. The same album on vinyl can be significantly more expensive than a CD has ever cost. who would have thought In the 80s or 90s when someone in the record industry thought that vinyl records were too cheap
‘91, but same
I was 29 years old in 1995 when my parents were thoughtful enough to buy me my first CD player! I was buying mostly cassettes at the time. I never purchased another cassette again. I still buy an occasional record, but I still buy about 25 to 30 CDs every year. I think it's a truly great invention. Physical music media forever.
I buy that amount monthly!
@@scottchegg1209 Big deal. I buy that many every week!!
I wasn't implying that I spend tons of money...
@@ericjensen9091 I wasn't implying that either
@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 ok
Great video. I'm fortunate to still have my Sony CDP-X7ESD that I bought new just after they were released here in Australia. I hadn't used it for years until about a year ago when I thought I would unbox it and see if it was still operable. The two drive belts were stretched and defective and thus the transport was intermittent, but some new belts solved that issue, and it now sounds as good as the day I bought it. Fabulous engineering that Sony did on that model. Truly a work of passion by the engineers of the time.
Thanks Laz! Great to hear your Sony is back in action.
Still have a CDP-101 Still (kinda) works. Sounds like shit compared to my CDP-X-303ES though.
This is fantastic, cannot wait for part 2. I’ve loved cd’s ever since my first player in 1990. You have the best audio channel on UA-cam.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
Get a grip don
If you bit technological it would be best chanell
Thanks for making this video. CDs and CD players were a galaxy leap forward from cassette tapes and when you buy the CD you own it and the quality will never degrade if you take care of them. In my college days i used to walk around with a Sony Discman strapped on me everywhere. I even own one today. Its a great piece of history.
Thanks! Thanks too for your little back story. Enjoy the discman!
What a greatful journey into the history of CD-Players! Thank you so much! My first CD-Player was a Hitachi DA-1000 from 1984. My last a Marantz CD-10 from 1993 which I use today. It is a very good „analogue“ sounding Player, brilliant.
My pleasure, thanks for your very kind message
What an amazing journey down memory lane! I loved how you spanned the entire history and went into the design as well as sound quality. Great job!
Thank you so much!
So interesting! The uptick in CD sales is a pleasant surprise. As a 40-year-old, I am rediscovering the CD medium. The vinyl revival, however, is something I've never understood.
I bought the first Sony as a package system as soon as it first came out and it still plays as good as the day I first had it. The touch buttons on the front needed to be modified when I had it serviced two years ago. The CD drawer seized but now is as good as new. It still produces a great sound. Built like a tank. The drawer glides out with no shudder like cheaper brands.
What an interesting video. Can't wait for part two. I'm from the Netherlands and a vintage Philips audio lover. In the 80's and 90's they made their best audio products in collaboration with Marantz en Grundig.
Thanks
@rogervd666gamer. Greetings from the U.K. I still have my Philips CD650 which I bought new in 1986. As a vintage Philips audio lover, you will know all of the technical innovations and features of this CD player. Last year, I took the player out of storage and sent it to a specialist in Israel who completely overhauled and updated the machine ( including the addition of a FEMTO clock system). It sounds absolutely fantastic and I measure the sound performance of all other CD players against my Philips CD650. Is there a comparable Marantz CD player from that time? You and yours stay safe and well.
@@markmiwurdz202 Oh, that's also a nice vintage Philips CD Player. At the moment I use the Philips fa890 amplifier, cd850 cd player and the fb821 speakers. I like that u use this old Philips CD Player, the most people throw them away. If you give the player sometimes some love it will play almost forever, the old Philips magnetic swing arm drives are not fancy but they last many many years.
@@artisans8521 oh, that's a shame. Do you already know what's wrong with it. Most of the time it's a bad elco or cold solder joints. This can be fixed for almost nothing.
I had an Acoustic Neuroma in my left ear,,, you people must realize how blessed you truly are if you have your hearing in both ears,,, 😔
True
I think it is important to have physical media, for two reasons, one: to be able to hold and read along to what the artist is projecting(and for the art), and two: if we have back-up power, we will need music to make it through the coming apocalypse. This is a GREAT experiment! I wish I'd thought of it.
Thanks
@TheCharlesAtoz: My problem is my “dumbness” at streaming. In many cases, 💿 CDs is much easier for me than streaming reliably.
I have no more room for CDs, so I've gone over to the dark side, uncompressed streaming. I use Amazon Music Unlimited, Echo Link player & a Fire tablet (for control) & have enjoyed hundreds of 'new' albums in the last few months. I have filled in the 'holes' in my classical & jazz back catalogs. I use YT channels for new release influences. I do miss liner notes but something had to give.
I use roon with qobuz into a blue sound node 3 into an external dac, sounds fantastic. I use a cd transport and also a turntable. The streaming absolutely wins hands down.
Extremely gud information about CD players kudos to u from India 🇮🇳
I'm only 7 minutes into this -- and what a bloody charming talk! I'm all ears. Love it.
Thanks!
Great video Harley , looking forward to part 2 !!!
Thanks 👍
He is the BEST!!! Great channel. Just shared it with my brother and a family friend who are audio enthusiasts.
Thanks! That’s very kind.
so loved this amazing video on cd players past and present .I fell in love with this format in 1984 marantz cd 73 ..looking forward to part 2 and 3 .many thanks for all the wonderful discussions .Best channel ever .😊
Thank you. So glad you enjoyed it
Amazing walk through! I love it
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much for your feedback
THANKS HARLEY…FOR THE HISTORY OF CD’s 🤗💚💚💚
You’re very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it
Hi, Thanks for your review. Surprising not to mention as "iconic" CD players the Teac VRDS 20, 10, P70 and 25, Marantz 63 SE, Philips CD723, Audio-Research CD9, CEC TL series, Marantz CD23, Consonance CDP5, Pioneer PD73, Pioneer PD 07, Studer D73, Revox B225, Marantz CD-7, Krell KAV-300, Wadia 27ix / Wadia 270, Mark Levinson No.39, Krell KPS-20i
😀 - nice choices, but if I had mentioned all of them too, it would have been a very long video 😂. Choosing was difficult and indeed, I missed some great ones!
It is so nice how much effort you put into your videos! Greetings from Halifax, Canada!
Also from Halifax!
Thanks Frank. I must say that this one took a lot of effort! 😉
@@johnny1980ns Nice, perhaps we should connect some way to chat about music and gear!
This is one of the most interesting YT videos and series about audio gear. It was a pleasure to listen to and to see! Great series indeed! Among other many CD players, I have also owned a SONY Discman and I regret selling it. Also, one of the most interesting CD players that I have tested, not owned, was the first CD player from YBA. I have owned a lot of crappy cd-players from Sony, Phillips, Marantz, Denon, Arcam, and some interesting DVD players. The CD player that allowed me to listen to classical music was Marants CD63 OSE LE and that YBA.
Thank you very much for your interesting comment and contribution to the topic.
Superb video # superb details + information + cd player history # very very rare video # thank you sir 🙏🙏🎶🎶🎶🎶🙏🙏
Thanks you’re most welcome
Thanks for this review of the most iconic CD players. I bought mine in 1983 in France and it was the CDP-101. Why I preferred it other the Philips one that was available at the same time?
Well, the Sony player was the only one with an IR remote control, a serious advantage for the music man comfortably installed!
With its front loading tray and its beautiful front panel, complete fluorescent display, sensitive push buttons, it completely outclassed the 3 Philips models available at the same moment and of course the sound quality was there too.
Today, I still have it and use it. Of course, it needed some repairs over the years: I had to fix the motor drivers, changed the dried grease, changed some tray gears, and did a partial recap... But it's still a wonderful player that supports the comparison with modern players!
Very interesting comment 🙏
I bought my Rega Planet in '97. It has been faultless to this day, everything functions like it did on day one, and it still sounds fantastic. I have absolutely no plans to 'upgrade'... ever.
Thanks, that’s good to hear.
the brand offers upgrades to it´s 90´s cd players for free
@@RUfromthe40srega has zero support for the planet 2000 at least in the us. Laser bad? Your unit worth zip.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk i only heard it in a blog when discussed the late 90´s Rega cd players, i haven´t a Rega, i have Pioneer , Revox, Philips, Teac,Technics, Sony DVD/CD player (the one that as better frequencie response than most of others cd players)also a CEC belt drive,it seems to be very good ,but i felt very bad when paying to change the belts, my father bought a better one and gave me this when he was still 89 years old, once i saw in what hi-fi ,the magazine "the most analog cd player of the world "and i think i read words like"... the best in the whole world..." but if my father bought a better one it seems it isn´t, but he passed away last year so i didn´t had time to open all boxes of hi-fi components that belonged to him so i only refer to the ones i have now at home, the philips also won a prize in the 90´s but with a box saying Marantz Dual DAC ,etc.,etc.,
Wonderfully informative! Many of your comments hold true for me (as they did for turntables) - I started out in the early 1970s with B&O equipment which, as you imply, was based on looks rather than quality (although to me it sounded fantastic). My new wife (at the time) was not too happy! As I commented on your turntable video, in the 1980s I had the classic Garrard turntable set up which I took with me to Egypt on a government job. My vinyl survived the heat but, through contacts, I saw the potential of CDs in my travelling life. I bought a NAD player and amp and used them extensively for many years in many places (they travelled well!). On retiring in 2016, I invested in Cyrus' Lyric set up which still serves me well today. A point you could have considered more widely in your review was the development of CD players for cars, etc - this played an important point in my selecting the Cyrus Lyric as a solid investment in more ways than one! I look forward to more of your videos.
Hi thanks for your back story and kind remarks. True, cd was perfect for cars and in fact was probably the beginning of the end of hifi being exclusively’ at home’
Very interesting topic, wonderful list. Great to have an educated look back in time. I'm very excited about the comparison to come.
Thanks Jürgen
The knowledge others have and share is the greatest gift. I am so thankful for people like you and your willingness to share and i hope you realize how much we appreciate what you do. Then you head to the comments to see people share their own experiences and it makes you enjoy and appreciate all the beauty that is in the world
Thanks for your lovely comment. It is much appreciated
Great video and topic!! Still playing some CDs on my Pioneer PD-77. Great player and fantastic craftmanship!!
Thanks!
Amazing video! I love your delivery, and topics. Can’t wait for the rest !!!
Thank you so much!! You will find that I have basically two play lists ‘Great Recordings’ where I talk about famous recordings or pieces of music, and also HiFi Equipment and general topics…. Enjoy!
I remember the launch and first CD players arriving in New Zealand. My first player was a Sony D50 (like you pictured) and although long retired to very occasional use it still runs perfectly well today! When new the build quality was astonishing, but didn't think it would last 39 years!
That turned out to be a good investment…
I was relieved to see the D-5/D-50 in the list. That had to blow some minds in 1984. The D-J50 and D-88 also show how absolutely mad those lads were. I know they might not be the pinnacle of high fidelity, but they are marvels of engineering nonetheless.
I have recently found this channel and really enjoy Harley's delivery and honesty on all range of topics! I recently changed my Meridian 500 CD transport for a Cyrus Cdt-XR and haven't looked back. While the Meridian was wonderful in so many ways and pretty much trounced anything
Thanks for the appreciation. Enjoy your Cyrus CDT-xr
CD: the greatest physical format of all time.
Absolutely
@@PearlAcoustics That's why no one buys them.
What a nice topic and great to get this beautiful medium back in the spotlight.
I loved my first CD player, the Philips CD104. I remember being moved by the sound of the Dire Straits Brothers in Arms CD. I still have the Brothers in Arms CD and it has been playing exactly the same for over 38 years. Awesome! Unfortunately I gave away my CD104 player in early 2000 😞
Thanks for sharing!
This was good and I look forward to the other parts. I have had many players but I have settled on a few older models. I have two Yamaha from mid to late 90s and they sound great. My main player is an Ah! Njoe Tjoeb CD4000. It is actually a modified Marantz with a tube output. I still play cds regularly and now that they are super cheap used,my collection is still growing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Try to find a ECC188 from Siemens ( nos )...............and if you're lucky a.........CCA.....
I love these 3-part stories... Off to get a cup of tea
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My first cd player bought in the early 80’s was a Hitachi DA-1000 and I can still remember the sales man telling me that only 100 classical music disc’s were available at that time nothing else, sadly long gone along with my early cd’s which had deteriorated so no longer played, so much for ever lasting held up to a bright light they looked like the night sky 🫣
Excellent video. Brought back memories of my first Sony Discman which I bought for about $400 AU in the late 1980s.
It needed 2 AA batteries which surprisingly lasted for a reasonable length of time. The motor must have been very efficient. I believe the unit had 2 or 3 seconds of playback buffer which was used to minimise vibration and movement effects on the laser reader. Also had an external power supply and output jack.
A Gryphon Ethos for $39,000 is very tempting but I may pay off some of my home loan instead.
Gryphon Ethos - what a name!
Thanks Petra. Lovely contribution
Love this video, can’t wait for part 2&3…
I still have my Luxman CD-404…. Needs a belt I believe….
Thanks David
Good to see a positive video about cd playback. I see many vinyl channels that look down on cd's. I have however some problems with your iconic top 20. For many years i've used a Meridian 508 (24). It played beautiful. But today I own for some 9 years or so an Meridian 808. I'm in love with that machine for a long time. I wil never change to another player. I've never heard cd''s so vinyl like and nice for your ears as with this machine. Its not absolutely neutral it has an somewhat warm sound. I have an very eclectic music taste say from loud rock tot classical. This machine makes the best of every cd. It is vintage because they don't make them anymore. But if you can get hold of one listen to it.
Thanks Guido
I have Nakamichi CDP-2E with Philips chip. And it sounds beautiful.
What an interesting idea! I can't wait.
One of my instructors in grad school James Russell was the inventor of the triple interweave process used on CDs for its error correction system. SONY is correct. They wanted to make sure that the CD could fit Beethoven's 9th without having to change CDs. That's where the capacity of a CD came from, Beethoven.
Thanks for your comment. Agreed. However, I believe it was the Philips team that determined the capacity of the CD itself. This was back in the mid 1970’s.
@@PearlAcoustics this is where I will repectfully disagree. It was sony, as the 9th is something of an obsession with the Japanese. This per my professor.
@@kevinfestner6126 Hi Kevin. I am sure he’s correct. However, Philips invented the CD (including its specifications) before Sony ever heard of it. But it’s not an issue - the important thing is that Beethoven 9 fits on it! 😉 Enjoy the music
Maybe sort of... "The original target storage capacity for a CD was one hour of audio content, and a disc diameter of 115 mm was sufficient. However, according to Philips, Sony vice-president Norio Ohga suggested extending the capacity to 74 minutes to accommodate a complete performance of Beethoven’s 9th Symphony on a single disc , however Kees Immink of Philips denies this. The extra playing time subsequently required the change to a 12 cm disc.
According to a Sunday Tribune interview the story is slightly more involved. At that time (1979) Philips owned Polygram, one of the world’s largest distributors of music. Polygram had set up a large experimental CD disc plant in Hanover, Germany, which could produce huge amounts of CDs having, of course, a diameter of 11.5cm. Sony did not yet have such a facility. If Sony had agreed on the 11.5cm disc, Philips would have had a significant competitive edge in the market. Sony was aware of that, did not like it, and something had to be done. The long-playing time of Beethoven's Ninth imposed by Ohga was used to push Philips to accept 12cm, so that Philips’ Polygram lost its edge on disc fabrication."
So maybe just an excuse on Sony's part if the above is true
@@pc750-V4 James Russel, who taught one of my grad school courses stated that when Sony was designing the Walkman, one VP came in with a block of wood, and said, this is the size it will be, no larger, no smaller. When Russel worked with Sony on the error correction of the cd, the parameter was, it must fit Beethoven's 9th. Russel stated this is how sony designed, based on one goal parameter. Probably why the L cassette failed. Sony had some major flops, as well, like Beta vs VHS.
Lon Neuman, an engineer for Sony who was responsible for some of the early use of Sony digital equipment in the entertainment business, esp at Warner Bros, confirms the cd we have today was from Sony's development and not Phillips. In fact Sony built for Warners in Burbank a complete sound studio. In it's day, it was the state if the art. I was in it many times, and it was wowing. I did note that one of the mix down speakers were not JBL, but locally made RSL 3800s.
I was in a Sony built cd disc mastering studio in Pasadena used for demonstration purposes. Sony wanted to be the go to standard. They used a digital beta machine as part of the process. I took humor in that.
In the early days of digital, Sony was very aggressive in getting its foot in the door in the entertainment industry. It had it's own office of engineers in an office building in Burbank, at the time, in the same area where Warners, Universal, Disney, NBC, ABC, and the famous Burbank Studios are.
Sony, no baloney 😂 . When I think back to those days, L.A. was a dynamo. Now look at it. This is why I'm in Las Vegas, where we're trying to build an entertainment biz here, and we've made some progress.
I could listen to you having your say on CD much longer than this video lasts. Thx!
😀🙏 you’re very kind
I've been an Arcam fanboy when it comes to CD players. I've owned a few of them in the past and a couple of years ago upgraded to the lovely CDS50 SACD/CD player. Thanks for the video.
You’re very welcome. Arcam do indeed have a very good reputation. Enjoy your player!
I'm using the Alpha 7se at the mo and it's amazing.
I worked an audio store in the early 80’s. Missed the very beginning. The Technics SL-P7 was now out and quite nice and popular. The CDP101, even though still available when I started, the CDP30 was the successor we sold the most.
🙏 for your comment
The SL-P7 was my first CD player. It was a price breakthrough, being $499.99 in 1984. I didn't see any CD changers in here. My old Sony claimed a 45-bit (!?) D/A converter. Still sounds terrific.
I enjoy the video and the CD history overview.
I arrived late to CD, in fact I decided to buy CD's instead of records before I had a CD player. A friend copy them to a cassete in order I could listen to them.
And my firs CD player was really no a CD player, it was a DVD player that used more for listening music than watching to videos.
The last devices I bought for listening my CD collection are, a Blu-Ray player Yamaha BD-A1040 because it reads also SACD and HDCD and finally I got a Musical Fidelity X-T100 together with the separate power unit Triple-X and also a CD player X-RAY V8, that is the only CD desk I ever have and it sounds incredibly good.
I am waiting very exiting for the following video.
Thank you.
Thanks Vincente
wow great series!! 🙌
Thanks
That was nice entertainment on Good Friday. Very interesting with a lot of insights I didn't have before. Thank you!
You’re very welcome!
Hi. Excellent video on an interesting topic. I basically agree with all the devices mentioned in the video, but I think the Naim Audio CD2 (1995) would definitely be worth mentioning too. This model was one of the best sounding CD players of its time and also featured iconic “hinged” front loading mechanism for the first time.
Thanks! Very kind. Indeed the Naim is a worthy contender
Infact I have from 2006 a Naim CD5 X
but the pick up and It begin to jump but the pick up Is finished in Italy so I 'll have to buy another one but not Naim any more.
@@PearlAcoustics yet not mentioned. lol
@@auggysimcity 😀
@@marcostefanoboietti6013 The Naim 💿 has served you well though for 17 years !!!
As a bit of a collector myself, you've made a great video. Thank you for your time.
PS. I think that you may find the first 2 box CD player was the Cambridge Audio CD1. Released in 1985. A real trail blazer, it uses 3 of the Philips TDA1540 DAC chips per channel and was designed by Mr Stan Curtis. It still sounds wonderful.
Thanks for you kind appreciation and also to adding to the discussion. I didn’t know about the Cambridge (it didn’t come up in my research). I will check it out!
@@PearlAcoustics You can't know everything! His next two machines (CD2 and CD3) both used 4 TDA1541 DACs.
@@abbersj2935 thanks!
nice walk down memory lane. Look forward to the next 2 shows. My first CD player was a Pioneer purchased around 1986 (possibly the PD-7030). I would later purchase the interesting PD-65 (you play the disc upside down on a platter that rotates). SACD moved me into Denon gear after that.
Thanks Mark
Great video, some good history, some I knew, some not so much. Was fortunate to find a CDP-X7ESD in the 90s, still have it, and it's playing now. Impeccably engineered with a rather vinyl-like presentation. Spent a good while as a tech servicing CD players and related. Favourite players would be older Denon and Sony machines, esp before the 1-bit era. If someone reading has an older player, it's worth knowing a good tech, they still require occasional mechanical service assuming unobtainium lasers hold up. We play on, thank you from New Zealand
Hi Frank, thanks for sharing your back story and for your very kind appreciation. Best wishes from Belgium
Excellent survey! Of course you couldn’t cover every brand, but at least here in the USA, the Oppo brand had (and has) a reputation for astonishingly good sound at reasonable prices. They’re really kind of legendary now, and it’s a shame that they ceased production of these machines a few years back.
Thanks David. Sadly I did not know Oppo, there were so many good brands that never got the international reputation they deserved
I completely agree. It is a crying shame an Oppo product isn't in the review. I have had four models total and each one got better than the last. The review is almost not worth watching without an Oppo in the mix.
Oppo has nothing in common with this kind of cd players, it's a Chinese company founded in 2004 that only made DVD and Blu-ray universal players, they are not related to the audio world of the 80's and 90's.
@@francoisdallaire127 Ah, so there is a cut off for review based on country of origin? Do I sense a bit of snobbery? And are you saying CD players prior to 2004 weren't reviewed? BTW, the OPPOs played SACD, DVDs, CDs and Blu-ray. The review goes into the 2020s. The last Oppo, the BDP-205, may very well have run circles around those reviewed. It now sells for 2-2.5x it's last list price. For Chinese junk no less..............
Nice video! To play and work Pinkeltje needed 3 or 4 big suitcases full of electronics when these Philips people arrived in Japan. Later this all got in to a few chips. Great work and amazing!
Thanks for your appreciation and also for the very interesting comment!
Great presentation. My 1st CD was a Denon DCD-1520, bought in 1987 and lasted until 2019 after the Sony laser died. After that I moved to Rega Apollo that I friend gave it to me and fixed myself replacing the transport. My last acquisition is a Marantz ND 8006 CD/Streamer Combo.
Thanks Miguel
Great video, I still remember some of the CD players. My best CD player I ever had was a Luxman D 105u, hibryde along with the LV 105u amp and B&W matrix 802 speakers) Greets from Belgium (near Leuven & Tienen) Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks Willy. Very kind and nice addition to the topic. (We are almost neighbours then)!
Great video, thank you. Would like to see a similar one on history SACDs and their players.
Thanks Rizer. SACD now that’s a topic indeed…
Were there 20 models to choose from? ;-D I kid, of course.
I have loved CD’s since my first in 1987 as an 11 year old. This was an interesting list. I like that you included some very affordable models to compare. Looking forward to watching the next part!
Glad you enjoyed it Murray!
My first CD player was a Philips player, can’t remember the model except it was a front loader and had battleship build, even the CD draw was all metal construction. Be about 1986 or 1987.
I also purchased a Philips model around 1987. The big attraction for me was the remote control and variable outs that I used to go directly to a Kenwood power amp. Heaven!
Yep! $100 at Adray's for the Magnavox badged version, built by Phillips in the Netherlands. About 20+ lbs, all metal. Still have two of them!
Delightful video! I love your delivery, and chosen topics. Can’t wait for the next parts. Best regards.
Thanks
The CD100 used all philips tech with 4 times oversampling iirc, The Marantz CD34, was basically a Philips CD104. The Philips CD304Mk2 I think was the first to use the TDA1541 16bit dac.... the previous generations used a pair of TDA1540 dacs, one per channel, unlike the Sony CDP-101 that as you rightly say, had a single 16bit dac, no oversampling, and time shared between channels, which some people say gace it a somewhat bright and metalic quality..... Actually I love all of them, having had many CD100s CD63, Medidian MCD, Pgilips CD 200 and CD 303, 104s, CD373, Marantz CD15, CD17D.... the 17D used a much later CDM12/VAM1201 laser, The S0ny machines, anything with a KSS210/22/240 onwards is generally very good and servicable imo... Love the video, many thanks, Rich
Thanks Richard. Such an excellent contribution to the topic. Much appreciated
My cd player history started in 83 with the Marantz CD73 with the motorised tray. I’ve owned many a cd player since including Linn CD12, Naim CDS3 and currently a Audiolab 8200CDQ. I still believe it’s a great format and can and does produce some fabulous sounds.
I have owned many Compact Disc players over the years. Many have very robust build quality, like Sony’s high end ES. For the most part , I have found that today’s modern players sound better than any of the older ones, due to the DAC’s. Also, the older lasers are nearly 40 years old in many cases, and are unreliable. My favorite CD player is actually a Toshiba SD-3800 DVD player. It has a 128kHz 24-Bit DAC. I found it a a local thrift store for $8 USA. 😮
Interesting
Thank You for this very nice time travel through the Era of CD. 😊
I personally believe, that the fact of 14 vs 16 bit is not relevant, much more interesting is, that the Philips TDA1541 was a D/A conversion chip (in the first models it was TDA 1540) that had a unique musical sound, that still rules today.
It was so good, that even Sony used it in its models (CDP 227/337/555ESD), and many High End manufacturers used it as well, like Creek, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, Naim, Revox, Sugden, Cambridge Audio and even Audio Note.
There is a still growing fanbase of TDA1541 and 1540 people, who build DACs with adapted I/O units for actual bit rates of modern streaming. Best Regards from Austria! 😉
You’re very welcome! Thanks too, for sharing your interesting insights on the Philips chips.
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Thank You for Your reply! 😊
I have done a lot of work on early CD players; the CD101 is an amazing machine but it uses one 16 bit DAC and shares it between two channels via multiplexing! Compared to the more primitive Philips CD100, it sounds soulless. I have worked on and modified many 1st snd 2nd generation Philips and Marantz machines, and even developed a small board which replaces the digital filter chip and removes oversampling and cleans up the data to the DACs. This makes the CD104 the best sounding player I have ever heard in my 35 years as an audio electronics engineer!
Thanks for your comment. Very interesting
Great tour of some grand (and not so grand) machines.
Thanks!
Very interesting, yes I enjoyed video. I still own a Rega Planet, shown in your second image (the original model). Yes it still works.
My "clamshell" Planet has also seen 27 yrs of service without a hitch
@@kenlyon8285 mine is semi retired, but can play some disc my current one can’t
@@gil3green mine has a few weak LED segments but functions perfectly in my workshop system and still bops merrily along with that signature Rega rhythmic sound. I think it holds up pretty well musically, if not in refinement
Thanks for sharing!
great video, thanks!
honorary mention for the Wadia 860, Mark Levinson 390s and the extraordinary Krell KPS 20i...
Thanks! All honorary mentions very welcome!
Hi Harvey. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Ken Ishiwata and the Marantz signature series. I have an early CD94 and it really is first class considering its age and stands up well against most modern machines such as the Marantz SA10.
Good point Peter
@@PearlAcoustics stick to making speakers please.
What a cool video, thanks.
Charity shops are a great place to buy affordable CD and I play CDs to this day.
Thank you, very kind! Absolutely, charity shops are the source of great music collection opportunities. In Ealing’s in London, there’s a brilliant Oxfam CD and vinyl shop with all the artists mapped out professionally and they have a fantastic classical section too!
Was quite surprised to see that Naim missed out on a place in the list 😕
I’m looking forward to additional parts. I remember my first experience with the CD 100. I put on a London recording of the Messiah and the words “ Comfort ye my people “ stunned me. I could not afford the player but fairly soon the price dropped and after checking with 😂Jack Renner of Telarc ( the only one I knew who had heard both performance and the players) I purchased one rather than the Sony. BTW that is why I enjoy your channel so much: you have heard and mastered the live music, the gold standard. Your observations have meaning.
Thank you Robert. You’re very kind. Thanks for your interesting comment
What CD player did you buy Robert please?
Slightly surprised that Nakamichi didn’t make it onto your list, their CD players were long lusted after as they were very expensive for the time and never within my price range
Indeed. They were not in mine either! 😉
My Nakamichi CDP2A is still my pride and joy :)
I think their cassette decks were more popular
@@jeffmountjoy5212 Had one myself. That's the magic of the Philips TDA1541A for you.
I’m still listening to my Marantz CD12 Transport and separate CD12a dac. Sounds amazing and it’s definitely over thirty years old now . Just had the transport serviced
That’s good to know that servicing is still possible
The Linn CD12 contains a lot of unique engineering by Linn themselves. It was and still is very expensive and sought after.
That was my thought right away . The Linn CD12 is by a large margin the best sounding CD player I have ever heard.
Nothing comes close to a Linn cd 12 , still the best of all time
Wonderful, this gentleman is so interesting
Thanks Keith. You’re very kind
The Marantz CD 63 that you refer to, was Ken Ishiwatas 1st product at Marantz. Yes, it's a Philips in disguise. Later that year, Marantz released CD73 which had Ken's improved DAC design.
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.
On the inside the CD-73 was essentially the same the the Philips CD-300. Exactly the same signal processing. Same TDA1540D ceramic DAC’s and identical analogue buffering output stage. CD-73 and CD-300 were both made on the same production lines in Belgium. The MARANTZ Bus Remote system was incorporated in the 73, and of course the styling, and physical structure is different on the MARANTZ. But the core player is identical, with identical components, and identical sonic performance.
Love the list and the concept of the test. 👏
Thanks!
The Sony D-5, the first discman that you show at 40:23 was my first CD player. Not much selection in the way of CDs back then, my first two were Michael Jackson Off the Wall and David Sanborn Voyageur. I got many years of service out of the D-5, but it did have a pretty aggressive sharp sound, definitely not "vinyl".
Indeed , the very best come (only) close to analog .....
I've been using a Sony 508ESD, since the early 90's. Still works great.
My Top 4 players would be: Technics SL-P990, Technics SL-PJ38A (Identical to Phillips), Any of the Pioneer Stable Platter series and the Sony CDP-XA7ES. Actually added bonus, Rotel RCD-965BX.
Do you rate the Rotel RCD-965BX? I've Just bought one.
@@james9789 oh yes! The 965BX is a top player! And quite rare these days! You’ve made a good purchase for sure!
@@jacksonsystemslimited great to hear thanks I'm waiting on some interconnects so I'm having to be patient.
@@james9789 if you need it servicing have drop Mend It Mark a message see what his availability is.
Cd will always be my format of choice great video once again :)
Thanks Jimmy!
The Philips was actually called Pinkeltje, after a famous Dutch little childrensbook character the size of your pinky finger. Love your presentation!
Other story: the CD used to be 10cm, around 60 minutes but it was said Sony demanded it to be 12cm/74minutes. Next to the change from 14 to 16 bit, this too supposedly was a move to set back Philips as the infrastructure for 10cm discs production was just being put in place in Europe. People say 74minutes is the length determined by the longest played version of Beethoven's 9th symphony.
Thanks for your very kind words and interesting addition to the story. From my research I think we can be very sure that Philips determined the size and length of the CD, as there are photos of it taken, before Sony even saw it. It is certainly true that Sony switched to 16bits at the last minute. I think it is also a case of the Sony engineers wanting to have some input in the total design. Philips was also a major record label at this time, with a massive reputation in classical music, whereas Sony Music, as a recording company did not begin until the early 1990’s, when the American division of Sony took over CBS. I guess there must be a definitive work on this topic somewhere?
Also, the fact that the CD reads from the centre out, allows for different sizes of disc.
@@arthurgordon6072 certainly, this is why the 8cm cd-single was possible. But there are some mechanical challenges, when the cd-single in 8cm version was released, many players at that time were not able to play them. The CD-tray did not have an indent and it was a risk that the small CD would miss-align and even could get the complete CD mechanism stuck. This is why they also has the 8 to 12cm adaptor, you can click around 8cm disks..
@@arthurgordon6072 Oh there are ways to work around that. Vinyl being one obvious case study, but consider a Laser Disc player as well. Not only are CDs and LDs significantly different in overall diameter, but their innermost track isn't the same either.
Dit wilde ik ook vertellen, maar ik vermoedde al dat iemand mij voor zou zijn. 🥺
Excellent research and presentation!
Thank you. Very much appreciated
So you forgot dCS. The first to come with dedicated DSD back in 1998. They were physically large and came in four boxes but they still sound as good if not better than many high priced modern players
Harvey, what a trip down memory lane. My dad bought our first CD player, a Sony, in the late in the mid-80s. I remember reading in stereo magazines about most of models you mentioned. Makes me feel old. 😊
Pity no CD12.
Sorry about the lack of CD12, to be honest, I didn’t really know it and it didn’t pop up on my research. I am very curious to hear one now!
Where's the sony playstation 1?
Indeed, I didn’t mention it and chose the Sony discman portable instead! Indeed, perhaps that was an oversight
Playstations have been the cornerstone of all the great disk format wars
In your home??!?
Got a Sony CDP x55es as a student. Was build like a tank. Beautiful wood on sides. Put it on a slate plate. Pulled out the powersupply in a seperate box. Canged the opamps to Burr Browns and the capacitors to mkp4. Took it to hifi shops to compare. The folks were astounded. Quiet, clean and detailed. But seems a bit slow with dynamic music.
Next step was the rega apollo. Loved it to death. Rega DAC and PC was more than equal. Nowadays I sport an dedicated Music PC with roon next to my beloved Burson Audio Conductor 3 reference. Now i can play my CDs lossless, my old mp3 and tidal stream im my house and even via phone everywhere, even in the car.
Roon for me finally is the ultimate integration of all of my music on my fingertips and let me discover music on my harddrive and in the internet.
But sometimes I miss the simplicity and constraint to listen to one album at a time. ❤
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Might be nonsense, but apparently the first run of Sony Playstations had audiophile grade cd sound. I myself had a Sega Saturn console which also used cd's and it also sounded fantastic.
Nope not nonsense, however it wasnt all of them it was only the ones with the Red/White Phono connections ont he back.. which not all of them had. But yes they where audiophile grade indeed.
This is so interesting, I’m looking forward to parts 2 and 3!
Thanks!
I am wondering why you did not include Wadia in your top 20.
Wadia... IIRC (I dont know much about them) used Pioneers Stable Platter at one point in time.
Hi, I guess because they were not known in the countries I grew up in? I only came across them when doing my research
@@PearlAcoustics I think back in the day anyway Wadia where very specialist!
Great to look back. I was just about to buy a hood turntable when CD players came to market. I bought the Meridian MCD which as you know was based on the original Philips top-loader. A lovely player, sadly stolen. I replaced with a Sony ES player. That was superbly built and still works reliably today, decades later. Although now I now use a Unitiserve in my Naim system using the NDX DAC. Which does bit perfect copies of the CDs, so the reproduction is great and convenient to use. The Sony player handy for playing the Mini-CDs, remember them!
Glad you enjoyed it. I remember mini cds well. Never owned a player though
Surely the Esoteric/Teac VRDS transport engineering dynasty deserved a bit more of a mention?
Those VRDS transports were/are also bought by other manufacturers such as Wadia and dCS for 20 years etc because they were considered the pinnacle of transport engineering (and unfortunately had a price to match).
I know you mentioned the Teac P1/D1 but it was the underlying vastly different approach to the transport that continues in those players today.
And in terms of the future of the physical CD/SACD medium - Esoteric (and Denon?) continue to invest in development of both transports and the new discrete, non chip DACs. Perhaps supported solely by the continued popularity/resurgence of SACD in Japan?
Thanks for your comment
Great job on the video, very informative and somehow, interesting.
Thanks Rick.
Looking forward to part 2 however, you've managed to pick a collection of machines which do not feature the legendary Phillips TDA 1541A dac where many a giant killer was born not least the Rotel RCD855 £3000 sound for £300 back in 1990 even today i still find myself removing a cd from my Roksan Caspian and placing it in the Rotel.
Dear Daniel, the Philips CD880, I feature has the TDA 1541A Dac chip that you mention. I have just checked the photos I took of its interior, and it’s their plain to see. I hope you enjoy part 3!
What differences do you hear between the two?
Thanks for posting this video Harley.
I learned a lot about the history of the CD.
I started a little collection of import CDs.
I'm curious to find out what are a few of
your favorite 'desert island' audiophile CD recording are. I have a few favs... Steely Dan's Aja..a Japanese CD pressing & Rickie Lee Jones 'Live At Red Rocks'...
Warner Brothers Japanese CD pressing...2 brilliant performances, IMO.
TX,
David-
Hi David, glad you appreciated it. I am not sure I have favourite CD recordings as such…. I like your suggestions but have way too many to mention but here’s two: Joni Mitchell Travelogue, Steely Dan ‘Two against nature’
For me the Sony CDP-X777ES is the best CD player. It's almost the same player as the CDP X7ES, but the CDP X777ES has a better and double DAC. But I must say.., the sound quality is not that much better than the CDP X7ES. The CDP X7ES, CDP X77ES and the CDP X777ES are using the same mechanism, built like a tank!
Thanks for your input
Great video. I kept expecting the Arcam Alpha 7 to come up, or so something from Musical Fidelity but we all have our favourites. I've had a bunch of different machines but I think my favourite, even over big heavy two box MF players, is my Oppo BDP-83 universal disc player. A great sounding well built understated machine. I still use it plugged into my Denafrips DAC using a little Chinese I2S adapter.
Hi Jim, thanks for your very kind comment. An old machine of high quality, with a digital output does wonders. Enjoy
Missing MicroMega milestone.