What is Christian Mysticism?
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2018
- "Mysticism" is a much abused word, often reduced to New Age spoon-bending and mind-reading on the one hand or arrant superstition on the other. But in the Christian tradition, mysticism is a direct, ecstatic, and noetic experience of God. Fr. Kerry offers a brief overview of these three characteristics, distinguishes between apophatic and cataphatic mysticism, and concludes with some advice on how to appraise reports of mystical experiences.
Ive had multiple mystical experiences, difficult to share and tell people so its best I’ve kept them to myself. Totally reformed my character and my conscious.
Mysticism is the celebration of union with Christ. Living out of this intimacy and seeing the value of Christ within the next person. Enoch shows the attributes of a mystic: A friend of God. Creation is God's love song, the cutting edge celebration of unfolding reality, that adorns the walls and ceiling of the garden of our soul.
Beautifully said
St. Francis was the same
You mean to say "Christian mysticism..." of course ;-)
I've had this kind of experience - and very publicly.
Recently listened to the book The Cloud of Unknowing. Learned that our capacity for love is far greater than our capacity for knowledge, and, while it is beneficial to know as much as we can about God intellectually, we can only really start to grasp a true "knowing" of Him through our heart, via love. This was one of those great "AHA!" moments in life, so wanted to share it.
Trying to explain God, or our experiences of Him, is like trying to explain our love for our dearest family or friends. You can't really know it, prove it, or explain it - only those who have had similar experiences will ever understand...
When I Am with Him I feel loved. When I feel loved I Am moved. When I Am moved tears happen. When tears happen, exstatic states happen. I Am with Him, and His love that rests in me.
I don't understand how people can say God' works in Mysterious ways.. and not believe in Christian Mysticism..
Because they have not EXPERIENCED the mysterium.
"God works in mysterious ways" basically says nothing. Not sure why anyone would even say it or what people think it means, especially in a mystical sense.
Kaeben you understand more easily when you hear Bob Dylan
I immediately thought of "My thoughts are higher than your thoughts" verses... Good question!
They take the mystery out and put god in a box to carry like wallet or mobile phone
I'll never forget the day God shook me. my life has become so beautiful from that day . i was scared for so long now if i am afraid ill sit with the fear and go deep and i have no doubt God is always around me and if i ask God to come with me, they come. i no longer have the same desires from before. i am happy to sit and just be. i am so thankful to God for this human experience and all it has threaded in it. all i can do now it seems is to communicate how i feel within , a real challenge that gives my life a new meaning. thanks for this video
I have had a true mystical union with God. It happened and lasted about 40 minutes. I cannot even begin to describe it's beauty, certainty and power.
If you are a NOT Christian that has committed his life to Christ, you CANNOT have a mystical union with God, BECAUSE God does nothing unless He does it through the Holy Spirit who dwells in the believer and whose role is to conform us to the image of Jesus Christ. In the process, we glorify the Lord Jesus. So whatever experience you claim to have, was not from God but with a deceiving spirit.
Awe thank you. I never knew how to explain what I went through. I was a non believer until God took me and showed me. I've been taught directly from Him. And the love He has is nothing like the world's love thank you again
After my first few mystical experiences, I could no longer deny Gods existence, now I live in paradise one with the father daily
Meditation on the mantra of Maranatha is mystical Christianity to me. Be still and know God 🙏❤
I find my mystic experiences true treasures of the soul. True you can read books or hear people talked about God’s unconditional love but when God shows you mystically one seems to understand it on a different level. I find these moments especially when praying the rosary It seems one could travel in time and space. Knowing has a firm grip on what I believe but faith is the root of it all mystical gifts are personal but what is important in the end is to pray with your mind heart and soul
Thank you for this. I consider my self a Christian Mystic and you put into words a lot of things I haven't really thought or have been able to put into words my self on this experience. Thank you for that kind sir!
Also if you could take the time to read what I am about to write below I would appreciate that
I want to say though, that when it comes to the 2 schools, I can kind of see how I could relate with both. But for me there is something more for me. The biggest thing with my Mystical Experience is that I am acutely aware of God's indwelling presence in my body at all times. So I very very often times tend to feel his emotions in regards to everything that I do. And if I were to locate where this presence dwells, most of all it dwells directly in the core of my chest being expressly linked to my heart and then throughout the rest of my body,. It is exactly like you said, it is a knowing. That's the best way to describe it. Usually God doesn't speak to me audibly, but I get a sense of His emotions and presence in almost everything that I do. And this is very very very incredibly tangible.
Also let me explain something that verifies what I am saying is true, to me personally. When I was younger in my early 20's and was saved into Christianity it became a very incredible SPIRITUAL experience for me, that is, my faith in Jesus Christ was electric and real and totally spiritually charged, via the Holy Spirit. But as I grew in my faith more and more, I became more and more aware of Him being with me, and the whole part of the Bible where Jesus talks about, I in them, and them in Me. That really became my understanding of what it meant to be a Christian, which is the core essence of mysticism. And because my faith was so invested in that, my faith in it activated the reality of it in a very tangible and meaningful way.
Eventually though I resisted that lifestyle and back slid away from the Lord for a few years, being of course, like many good men who fell into sin and temptation... led away by a woman.. Gulp.
Fast forward about 5 years. I came back fully to the faith. Immediately where I left off, I fully repented and laid my self back down for God to pick up. This was accompanied by all of the tangible presence of God I through off to the wayside, because when I stepped out into the world, the mystical experiences slowly but surely dissipated tell none were left and I was totally in a carnal state. But when I came back fully and abandoned myself to God. It was all put back inside of me and round about me like a cloak, or a garnet or a robe. I was re-robed with the mystical and spiritual indwelling presence of God. Right back in the core of my chest, in a way even more powerful then and noticeable then before.
This confirmed to me that my mystical experience was truly authentic. Because having went away I experienced nothing, but upon returning my body had fully become a habitation for the Lord to dwell in a a very mystical and PROFOUNDLY PERSONAL way. As in, I am CLEARLY not my own anymore. But I belong to Jesus Christ and He is living and dwelling in me and that fact is felt very prominent throughout the entirety of my spirit, soul and body.
So my point is, having once been a mystic, i backed away, and the presence left, but having fully returned to the faith, I was re-clothed with the full garment of the mystical presence of our Lord Jesus Christ once again. This really says a lot to me. That my mystical experience is VERY real, and should not be taken lightly. Its incredibly intimate. As in He is inside of every breathe that I take. hahaha and I mean that in a very literal way. When I breathe, I am clearly aware of Him tangibly breathing breaths of air in Unison with Him inside of my body. (Of course that be described to anyone not familier with what I mean to say)
*If you have read this father, I really appreciate you taking the time. This issue means a lot to me, because this isn't just, me talking about being a mystic or what ever, but this is a testimony of my mysticism and it is very real for me. And it means alot to tell somebody and have them know and be able to understand me without judgement and with an open heart. Because to be honest, I don't have many people who can relate with what I am talking about, as in, a lot of people tend to experience God only in church or in personal prayer, where I experience Him in every single thing that I do. So I thank you for taking the time to listen and to hear me out. Much love from me to you in Christ Jesus our Lord
On what basis do you believe yourself to be a Christian?
I see that this was 3 years ago and I hope that you get this. I suppose if it's God's will you will get this. I would like to share a few things because living a life as a mystic, it's not an easy path. It's very difficult path, a very challenging path. So much in your life can change so rapidly and so quickly due to your mystical experiences. I would like to leave you with this. God is patient, God is kind, God is loving, God is compassionate, God is understanding, God is not going to condemn you, God will try to lead and guide you on the right path. God is always going to accept you back with open arms, God does not hold a grudge, god does not concern himself with human thinking, or human emotions, or human impulses, God is all loving, God is Acceptance, and your sin is only going to invoke God to wanna come closer, because god knows that the closer gods love is, the more you're gonna be consumed by this love. God knows that this love will bring transformation, god knows that this love will bring healing, and so God does not distance himself from us because of our sin. God actually desires to come closer. It is us who create distance with God. It is us who brings separation. What I would encourage you to do is go to the quiet place, go to the internal sanctuary. I would encourage you to 1st of all be honest, Be sincere, and approach this in pure away. Ask God to show you what it is you need to let go of so that he can come closer. Usually it's something that we need to let go of. Gods not going to force himself on us, gods not gonna come closer until we're ready for him to come closer. I have had plenty of experience with God. You're journey as a mystic should be more about the internal process, so Christ's life, death, and resurrection, you will need to go through that internally. I will also say this that the divine has always been with you. Without the divine there is no life. Therefore if you're alive then the divine is dwelling within. The holy spirit is dwelling in the flesh. So God never leaves but sometimes he wants to correct us. You know he wants to communicate so when you feel that hes drawing away, what hes saying is that you need to seek out the divine in the inner place, the inner sanctuary so that you can reconnect with the devine source. So I would encourage you to not become overwhelmed or feel like that there's this urgency that you need to be a certain way for God to love you, and accept you. God already loves you and accepts you. Also be in tune to what god is trying to communicate when god is withdrawing. That could mean that you need to let go of something that's whether it be an emotion, a feeling, a belief, a lie, whatever it may be. Ultimately your focus should be to seek and to know truth. So if you keep seeking you will find. Also make sure that you remain present and aware Of what's going on in the inner sanctuary. If you're not then whatever wants to take up residents within the inner sanctuary can make its home there. So you have to make sure that you're keeping that place clean and you're keeping it holy.
That was beautiful, delivered with love, kindness and generosity. @@ThomasWebb-ht1fo
If we cannot see God in all we cannot see God at all.
Fr. Walters does a great job explaining the Mystical Experience. There are no words to adequately explain it; once one tries to explain it the value of the experience immediately depreciates.
Such a very accurate description of the mystical experience...beyond words, entirely subjective...the greater, full understanding available to all who would seek.
The description on the two major schools of mystic thought sound exactly like Jnana and Bhakti yoga. Jnana the path of knowledge is removal of ignorance and delusion to see nothing besides god. Bhakti being devotion and finding a way to see god in everything and worship it. Very cool I love the correlations. All rivers lead to the same ocean.
In other words, it's new age religion...mystery of babylon.
Excellent points... " the core of religious faith is that mystic feeling which unites man with God. This state of spiritual communion can be brought about and maintained by means of meditation and prayer." ~ Shoghi Effendi Baha'i Faith
Very direct and concise. Thank you!
Yes
Can identify with a lot of these
When u know sometimes u have to write it or paint it
@@siobhanmcardle2776 Ah yes...when words fail...as they often do, paint and canvass can prevail.
Interestingly, my introduction into New Age was THROUGH the church of Rome when I was yet a Catholic. The parish I attended allowed a Reiki master to conduct her sessions in their building and I used to see her... this was monumental in my journey. Detrimental. Thankfully, I eventually started studying the Scriptures, left New Age, and later realized the many other problems with the religion of my youth.
I am so glad I found this video, this discribes my experience perfectly, and now I understand why the church who helped me have been very welcoming about my truth.....it's very normal part of Christianity.....it's just been under focused on and lost to an extent
Thank you for helping me on my oath to identify a very strong experience that nothing logical could explain 💖🙏💖🙏💖🙏
Agree with the other positive comments: I've been studying this topic on and off for years but needed a basic refresher and Fr. Kerry is excellent.
Extremely helpful. Thank you so much
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
wonderfully articulated. thank you for sharing and bringing this abstract concept to life!
Thank you . Glad you took the time to share .
Father, thank you for sharing.
So glad I found this video. Powerful. Thank you
Thank you for this, it blessed and encouraged me.
Thank you. I’ve think you’ve explained the experience very well! 🙏
Thank you for sharing your wisdom on this matter!
Wow! That was one of the most moving videos I have watched in years!
Agree.
outstanding way to explain, thank you for the material.
Beautifully expressed. Thank you.
your video has helped me so very much in affirming the spiritual experiences I have had and the "label" f my sincere Spiritual path
God is everywhere and in everything.
Thank you for enlightening me!😊
Thank you very much for this wonderful video!
Your videos are brilliant, you deliver complex information with verve and efficiency, thank you.
Thank you for the clarity that you bring to the understanding of Christian Mysticism.
Thank you so much for this !
awesome video thank you! I had a spontaneous awakening in 2012 that led to alot of mystical experiences...Im glad you are making this known, thank you for your inspiration
That was a nice and balanced way of explaining it.
Thank you !
Thank You Father Kerry
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him."”
John 14:5-7
Thank you for this.. I had been siting on a one question for so long and uncertainty because it seemed no one could really explain the mystical experience from a purely Christian belief for me. It changed my life entirely. More loving and more understanding and open minded for other people. I saw myself as them. I also had experienced myself as God and saw people are purely love and so sweet, not as bad or sinners. I cried when I experienced this as for a moment God's view of mankind. I know that if everyone had that experience they would cease all negative vices and put all their guns and swords away. For sure! It is impossible to harbor and hate or jealousy or envy at all once a person sees from God's own eyes mystically.
a blessing and gift from the most high .
I am a Christian mystic and also have visions and dreams that come true. It culminated in my life when I was about 25 when in GOD's swirling dark Cloud of Unknowing appeared on my right side, barely within eye sight with inexpressible rays of rotating and pulsating light. Instantly somehow, I knew it was GOD AND THE LOVE coming from behind the cloud was / is beyond my ability to explain. Telepathically GOD showed and told me so much and all time was suspended. I had had this experience many times before this moment; as if being readied for it. I think everything that was reveled in the dream could fill a book. It was more beautiful than beautiful, more lovely than lovely.
So great! Thank you!
Thank you for this you are correct sir. Thank you.
Thank you so much. I can't put into words how grateful I am for finding this. God bless you!!!!!!!
You put that wonderfully, how that word can be reperesented in a different meaning in the present era within the new age, and also how mysticism in the original term can be misunderstood or then perhaps known by mystics and others who read them and are open to the idea of different kinds of knowing or experience
Thank you! 😇
Good video, very educational
I know how to tell. There is no doubt when it happens. I know from experience
I never felt a loss of self during my experience, but rather the fulfillment of my reason for being, to know God's love and mercy and to glorify him for it. That's why we're here. That's why we were created, to be vessels for that love. Otherwise, what's God going to do with it? Hoard it to himself? That's not his nature. Our nature is to seek him out and glorify him when we've found him, or when he's found us which is what the case actually is. He's not lost. We are. We're the ones who need to be found, and by God's grace alone are we.
Exactly...no loss of "self" but a finding of it....Unity..and a love indescribable, within the Oneness of Being. Blrssed are those who find and experience it.
that's true. beautifull what you've wrote.
Anyone can have an intimate relationship w/ God through Jesus Christ... it's
One of the things He died for! To have a relationship w/ the Father!
My opinion, but you don't need to experience "God" through Jesus or anyone else besides yourself. Jesus taught in parables on how to have a direct connection with God. To become more of a "heretic"; I AM GOD, you are God, we all are God.
@@chrisdinnnc oof careful, bud. Walking on thin ice there.
Unless you have the faith of a little child you will never know God
thank you
I found I aligned more with mystical Christianity- so I have been pulled towards 2 of these directions you spoke of.
Love you all.
Excellent.
nice beard ...nice truth.
Very precise
Very well explained!
I found this fascinating.
Clear. Concise. Accurate. Great content. ❤️
Thanks for this explanation about mysticism. I have always been fascinated by the physics behind certain phenomenon. Like, telepathy, clairvoyance, etc...
It is not dark, reading mystical relevances, but a sort of deeper connection in the mind
Just my thoughts, i hope it helps.
I find Aaron Abke’s videos very eye opening… always from a perspective non-duality and onenesses.
Very good talk thank you. The simplest understanding of mysticism as a whole is often the wisest one I think because many people try to get too deep and complex within their explanation while thinking they are being closer to the truth but in my opinion they are straying further away from it.
It is what it IS.
God is everywhere guys how do u not have know where he is love yall you beutifull things 🥳🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😍
Everything you have said about mystical experiences is true and more. This space is too small to elaborate. It can take quite a bit of introspection before a person can reveal to other all that has happened, partly because their is a continuation of the experience spiritually, after the physical has happened.
I have become very mystical spiritual catholic person. I have direct relationship with God! I'm a very logical person!
Thank you. In addition to prayer and the Sacraments, meditation brings be closer to God.
GenXer82 I accidently got into Christian Mysticm on my own.Reading Bible all the time and repenting all the time and sitting in meditation .I ended up seeing Yahshua in my dream which has changed everything in my live.The understanding of God in my mind was all about love back then.Slowly i was growing in faith and S0me stupid pastors who have never ever tasted what i have got to taste labeled me that I am being decieved and I am under attack .Its is from Adversary not from God.They got me into fear and Since i was new to Christianity I took this very seriously and I gave up my mediation a quite time where i used to pray and talk to Almighty.Guess what its all gone.People told me oh no its new age dont meditate.But I cant get that connection back by only reading Bible superficially.Later Since i was searching madly that what Is it that I have experienced then I came across Orthodox Christianity they do the same what I was doing praying and reading Bible all the time.Due to fear I have lost that connection.🙁🙁
Priyanka Sanhotra They just say those things to scare people. God is based on love, not fear. Let go of fear and meditate again.
GenXer82 Yes but this is not the way Jesus himself would want them to do.To scare people.!!I figured without meditation there s no way you would shut your mind from worldly thought and able to listen God.Mediation is utmost important.I could not understand how these Pastor tell people Mediation is new age do not do it.With Meditating no one can hear guidance without it Bible is just any other book.And due to my mystical experiences i have spoken to all denomination pastors except Orthodoxy ..all gave me same explaination.So i gave up on Church.I dont want to go back to any catholic prespeterian or whatsoever.They made me feel that I have lost my mind.Now my only Hope is Orthodox Church Pastor.I am hoping they would help from where to start again.Problem is whosoever ever got to tast the Love of God they can never sit quitely and give up.Because that feeling no one can explain.And people like me God got me to seek him madly.I feel guilt when I sometimes feel to give up.Because i think God has gave me that experience to show me that He exist and seek him madly deeply.No one has helped.😐
Priyanka Sanhotra Actually meditation shuts the mind off of worldly things. One can even go the extra mile and meditate on God’s word.
GenXer82 Yes i know.But both way Christians or anyone needs to meditate who wants to grow closer to God.
I had my first experience with God as a 33 year old atheist on 5 grams of psilocybin mushrooms. It was the most important experience of my life to date. I treasure my direct relationship with God.
Problen is. Was it an experience generatrd within the brain exacerberated by mushrooms by D.,M. T. ? We are told that the experience of heaven lies within. And it does. Is it what it seems to be...or i s i t a p hysiologoc a l experience calling u s forward to be a more compassionate annd caring humankind...something nececcary for our very survival? Do I believe in God? I believe in the experienc of God.
I had a similar type of thing with psilocybin. The journey since then has been to embody that...maintain and strengthen the connection...see God in all things, keep God in my heart and mind, to live in God. It's been a bit of a winding road, most recently spent some time at a Sikh Gurwara, but adopting a whole new culture ultimately seems unnecessary. It definitely strengthened my appreciation for my native Christianity, helped clarify or focus my attention to the concepts of The Name and The Word.
Hope you're well and continue to shine that light.
Me also at 33 but no drugs involved...you need to experience god sober
@@AlexanderNovak0 I agree that God should be experienced sober, but I don't think it's necessarily an either/or thing. God is definitely available to us at all hours and all places, part of omnipresence. However, we live in a sick world that is very materialistic, and denies soul and Spirit.
Certain plants, created by God, seem to be able to break through this sickness, this myopic view of the world, and expose us to the deeper reality all around us. Johns Hopkins, among others, have been doing research on this for some time. What they've found seems to indicate that there's no objective difference between the reports of mystics from the various traditions and those of research subjects given psilocybin(active compound in 'magic' mushrooms).
Now, obviously there is a difference in that one person got there through discipline and grace, the other got there with a drug, which could be viewed as a type of grace(Terence McKenna would say 'gratuitous grace'). The pitfall, though, is that without the discipline it can be difficult to stand firm in that grace. You get a brief flash of insight, a bit of an after glow, but you eventually fall back into the materialist rut.
So, I believe, these substances can be useful tools to reorient us to the true nature of reality and the presence of God, but that there needs to be an understanding that this is always there. Something like a committed religious practice would be useful. I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel, but I worry established traditions will balk at the notion of adding a new sacrament, denouncing it as sin.
Sin, in my view, isn't some moral thing, but relates to our connection with God. Anything that disrupts that and puts us in separation is sin. And so, I think, it would be a sin for us not to utilize these tools, skillfully, to bring God's children back to His presence.
What is god
Bravo
definatly god is everywhere
Five years wow
I am a mystic in the Western Esoteric Tradition and I found this video very concise and informative. I appreciate you not speaking for other traditions but there is so much in common between the world's mystical traditions. Zevi from Seekers of Unity said something to the effect that the big secret about the secrets of different traditions is that they're all the same secrets just dressed up in different cultures. Thank you for taking the time to explain this topic.
Even in darkness god is there 😊
Wonderful. Could you please provide some form of mentor ship or steps on how to follow this path. Thanks in advance.
Aries Pony Aj VERY well said!
Meditate...learn to leave your own body..YOU are your own best mentor.
if you're rich, help others, selfishness is evil
It's funny how so called " saved " Christian millionaires rationalize their wealth thinking they are righteous and " with the Lord ". Christ said ; " Get away from Me for I never knew you!".
never forget Love, are you here to curse others? there's is too much misery (spiritual and material) and blindness... but are you a saint (with a sword) ? or a friend of Jesus and everyone? God likes poverty, but misery comes from the devil (and sins) let's pray more. God bless the blind ones with the gift of cure.
I dig this cat.
i have mystical abilities! And i use them to do gods work.
I was looking for something like this... i'm Christian, but maybe because my Yoga pratice for many years in look for God, i don't feel that i have the same vision or fellings that people in normal churchs. Not is about feel me high than others, i just feel a diferent way to connection... bhakti/devotional. It is hard to explain... sometimes i asked to myself, if i was not wrong, because this fellings invite you to be more distance of the normal build life in socity... iam keep follow normal life, but i still listen the call by times in times to go away. Sometimes i just feel the wish to sit and stay on Presence Him, i dont pray, i dont ask, i am not have any expectation to recive something, i just want be there...
Read works of Evelyn Underhill. Her major work entitled Mysticism (it is a complete treatment of the issue). I recommend reading Practical Mysticism(it is more concise) it is a primmer.
A Christian mystic/monk, a buddhist monk, a muslim sufi and a jewish kabbalist all speak in the same way you did in the comment. The true nature of God is experienced through moment by moment awereness of existence. The more aware you are the, more you'll feel the presence of God through you. The reason why you dont associate yourself with the people who go to church is because they are performing empty rituals, without being present. A person with low awareness who believes in God without previous direct experience of God will always end up doing empty rituals.
I would recommend the Orthodox perspective, which is very open to mysticism and theosis or deification, which is union with God, and very similar to that found in Yoga. Unlike with many other Christian paths, mysticism and union are an accepted (and central) aspect of Orthodox Christianity.
Anyone that practice yoga has engaged himself to the practice of eastern mysticism and it is demonic in nature.
Is there any catholic mystic that has experienced a hybrid of cataphatic and apophatic? Sorta like a Sri Aurobindo of catholicism?
I think St Francis communed with birds and other nature.
I kinda wanna say I don't think Catholics employ mystical beliefs....well not in public UK
To be honest anybody discussing mystical stuff in the UK is more likely to get sent down the mental health route.....it's quite ruthless overhere, I barely survive without my church
I can totally relate to the god is nothing but i believe there is something i dont know what. exactly what i feel like and think about most of the time
To know Jesus Christ is to have life eternal
It is Love. That is - "big love", not romantic "love"
Mine happened 16 years ago in my living room. I was praying to the God I was taught of by the world. You know Jesus dying on the cross for my sins. What did that mean to me prior to my experience. Nothing. My prayer consisted of selfishness. God change everyone around me because it’s their fault I am the way that I am. I did not expect to actually hear God answer me. He said I had to change. I said God is that you. Are you answering me. Then I heard yes child this is Jesus you have to change. I said yes Jesus, change me. The second I uttered the name of Jesus the power of God which consists of His Holiness and Love His Glory overshadowed me I was UNDONE!!!!All this was happening in me. I did not hear an audítale voice. Father God was revealing His Son in me. Praise Father I was being born again. Remembering my origin. That I came from God. That I had always existed in Him and with Him. O my goodness guys. I am a mystic in the sense that I am no longer a catholic or anything else but a king and priest. Praise the Father Son and Holy Spirit. 3 in ONE just like me!!!
Fine job! If indeed, one realizes that God is All That Is, this means we are now learning to live "on earth as it is in heaven," something the Master J. C. learned long ago. This is the place where miracles become normal and I can assure you, my life has been (and still is) one long miracle in its unfolding. I remember the first time it dawned on me: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." SEE God! What an extraordinary statement. And to see God is to see God everywhere. Blessings. Charles. V. Davis, A.T.O.M.
@ARE3RA level I'm pretty sure you have your head screwed on backwards. He, he, ha, ha. (Your mantra for the day.)
@ARE3RA level I couldn't have said it better myself.
"...an inter-subjective objectivity" kind of makes a lot of sense, abstractly. Thank you for pointing well in words that which is very abstract and ineffable.
The biggest realization of the mystical path is theosis, that you and god are one.
more so that we are a son of God if we have forsaken all sinful ways and are dedicated to Jesus.
Theosis is not realizing that we and God are one, Theosis is a trans-formative process where we grow to become more like God. We don't become God, big difference.
@@codythomas7593 you the real mvp
@@codythomas7593 In the experience of deification we experience becoming one with " That Which Is"...i.e. "I Am". Paradoxically, one within the two..entirely subjective and beyond description. Do I believe in God? I believe in the experience of God...one that moves us to be kinder, more compassionate and loving towards our fellow man. Ithas survival value for the human species. I trust it, whether in am evolutionary sense it leads toward a peaceful united human family or is what it serms to be...a valid reason for belief in an afterlife. Either way, we don' t lose.
God bless you for verbalizing this. 🙏
Im a Mystic but most would just say," he weird"! It's easy to confuse the two. Anyway one time Jesus told me about Something bad that would happen. This was the good part. The bad part was,the event still tore my heart up. 💔 So being a Mystic doesn't mean immunity from pain.
What books can I read to learn more about this?
Now I know what Santi is doing on his off days.
You are a lost sheep
Superlative!
better be with God without books, than far from God in a library... it's very important to meditate on what God is and is not...
Also there is absolutely no way to confuse the mystical experience for anything else. Having a heavy emotional experience is nothing like a mystical experience. If you have ever had such an experience you would never be able to mistake it for any other experience on earth. A mystical experience is known as gnosis ie an direct knowing from divinity itself. You will KNOW when it's God who has touched you who has shown you his light. There is NO mistake
"Share in my cross and enter OUR FATHER'S kingdom. Beware of ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing with forked tongue's. Be wise as a snake and calm like a dove"
- YESHUA CRISTO LORD GOD
"Peter isn't always Peter"
- Immaculate sorrowful MOTHER MARY
"The human soul is the battlefield between GOD and satan"
- Saint Padre Pio of Pietrelcina
"Lukewarms tear the Eucharist from YESHUA'S aching beating heart"
- unknown mystic Helena Pelczar
"I only fear my sins'
- Saint Francis of Assisi
Must it be contradicting to experience more of the sacrament and still be able to see God in every people?
Quantum physics has bourne out the mystical experience, i,e, "spooky action at a distance"...telepathy, omniscience, time travel..etc. The mystic knows experientially what he or she cannot write in a quantum equation.
I love your last sentence. I shall save it. Thankyou :)
Physicists know that 4% of the universe is matter. The other 96%, they have no idea. That's why they are searching for the Higgs particle. Mystics however have known the answer forever.
Mystical noesis is purified and amplified faith. Faith is noetic. A mystical insight can occur simply by contemplating the mystery, gratuity, and connection that is faith. Faith is a dim awareness of the leaf's connection to the tree.
I don't believe in gnosticsm or whatever was condemned and I don't know if this is the same thing but one time on a lark doing rosary things as a protestant coming to orthodoxy with very little knowledge and I believe I had an epiphany of God as pertains to me and it ripped my soul in half and I had trouble functioning for a couple or few days.
It was morbidly heavy and made me realize how much damage and sin and soul erasing I had done my whole life and it wasn't condemning, it was very humbling and it has totally made me awry of much of the commercial religion I see.
That thing is extremely heavy and scary, yet if I was cast away from it, I would have still adored it and loathed myself and excepted the fate just for meeting it to tell it sorry and please look after my wreckage
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What about having a Eye appear to you?????
“Christian” mysticism? Do you mean a Christian having a mystical experience? The ineffable nature of this experience of the ever present here and everlasting now defies labelling.... but seriously now, this was a great intro to this subject and I loved your explanation of apophatic and cataphatic, terms to date I struggled comprehending. Question.... why is Christianity not more concerned with the fostering of this direct experience? Zen Buddhism strived to create a mystical method? Is it extremely difficult to achieve? Is the church worried about loss of authority in the face of such an approach??? It seems at face value Eastern religions place more emphasis on this aspect of practice?? p.s ... many books!!! I have shelf envy!!!
Amen! Hey I think I can answer some of your questions from my own personal experience.
I am certainly a Christian Mystic, the emphasis of my faith has always been on Union with God in Christ. God is with me at all times, all the time, all inside of me and I can sense His mind, will and emotions at all times concerning everything, like I feel how He feels. He doesn't communicate with me so much with audible words. Its more of like he said. A knowing. But it is also kinda hard to explain to a person outside of this experience in a way that would make any meaningful sense to them. In alot of ways it is a mystery that I can understand but not fully be able to put into words. If that makes any sense to you.
He really did an AMAZING job explaining it though much better then I could of done.
The reason why Christianity is not more concerned with mysticism, in my opinion is because Christianity has become incredibly religious and dogmatic.
That the idea of Christian mysticism has gotten lost and buried underneath a pile of dogmatic doctrines and intellect oriented theology.
Christianity is such an in depth faith. There are so many aspects to it. Such as, the code of conduct as to how you should live your life, the morality side of it. Then you got the Tenets of the faith, believing in Christ as God's Son, The Savior of humanity, making Him Lord of your life. Then you got numerous other doctrines, heaven, hell, doctrines on food and drink, doctrines on Grace vs The Law, doctrines on God's sovereignty, doctrines on predestination. On and on and on.
My point is the Christian faith is incredibly THICK. There is so much to it and so much to take in. That people, have for along time, got into the pattern of viewing it as a text book, wherein, the most important thing you can be doing is learning the Tenets of the faith and forming proper theological doctrines, and THIS is the fullness and completeness of the Christian experience. (This is what the majority of the main stream church has come to believe anyways not my personal opinion.) All mystical experience with God has been thrown out the window.
And the issue is, it has tried to make a reemergence into the main stream over the past century. The charismatic church as some of its leaders with an emphasis on mysticism. But it isn't a full view or anything and a lot of times and devolved right back into religious dogma as well. BUT, that being said the Christian Charismatic movement, that is, people who have started believing in the the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and doctrines concerning the Holy Spirit, have started to venture back into Christian Mysticism again. That is alot of how I came to start learning about it.
Also the mystical experience is in constant condemnation from many other denominations within the Christian Church. For example, ministers like John MacArthur, Baptist preachers who are focused on tareing down any preacher who focuses on Christian Mysticism within the Protestant movement. Immediately labeled a heretic of the church by many of the other denominations within Christianity.
Christian Mystics have certainly been attacked and even made martyrs by the religious wing of the church of for centuries.
Look in Madam Guyon of 17th century France. She wrote some of the GREATEST works of all time concerning Christian Mysticism. And what was her reward, spending the last 15-20 years of her life locked in prison.
Also if you are interested in looking into Christian Mysticism and how to engage in its experience this book by Madam Guyon is the best book I have read on the practice.
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@@TheBelovedDisciple144 Thanks for the reply … I'll be sure to take a look at Madam Guyon!