The Mystical Experience - In Sufism, Judaism and Christianity
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2019
- Interview with Brother David Steindl-Rast, Maata Lynn Barron (Sufi) and Rabbi Jonathan Omer-Man.
From Moses on the mountain, to Jesus in the desert to Mohammed in his cave, "the mystical experience" has been acknowledged as the core event that forms the foundation of many great religions. In this Global Spirit program, host Phil Cousineau joins Benedictine monk Brother David Steindl-Rast, Rabbi Jonathan Omer-Man and sufi mystic Maata Lynn Barron to shed light on some of the common attributes of those who yearn for and reach, however momentarily, what they describe as a direct experience of God or the Divine. "The Mystical Experience" explores both experiential and analytical approaches to this rich subject (2011).
“Theologians may quarrel, but the mystics of the world speak the same language.” -Meister Eckhart
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Very true
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"it is not needful theology delay you; for what you truly seek is _direct experience_ of truth"
A Course In Miracles
thats coo but not everyone can be right
All mystics are eternally homeless in this world. Nice to hear the views of each individual present.
What is your thoughts on mystical Christianity and I'm asking as a Muslim
Your world isn't my favourite place too and thank the aliens too
@@theguyver4934 same as Sufism.
I think it is not a standing conclusion. It makes it as this world is God's mistake. It also suggests that mystics are people who doesn't meant to be here. People who "deserve" better and the best they can deal with it to "check out" from here. The rest can suffer handling every day nuances, providing for their families, keeping society running etc.
Or everywhere is home.
It’s their eyes and calm measured manner of speaking which reveals they are now beyond the trials and struggles of life..let’s all try to get there!!
With all of the crazy nonsense that today's so-called gurus teach, this is the real thing. These three individuals have found the ultimate, which is the silent stillness, the unknown in which the sense of self exists but has no effect on what always is. This is the permanent within the impermanent. Beautiful discussion.
which gurus?
We are all God!
What a privilege to be in the 'presence 'of three such people. Yes, inspiring, beautiful and so sensible too. My ki d of spiritual people
One of the most beautiful conversations I’ve heard in this subject , listening to this I completely understand what she meant by home 🕉🔯
This is an EXCELLENT talk, most inspiring with their depth of lived understanding. Jesus tells us that we are the Temple of the living God (if you have seen me, you have seen the Father), and that we are all One. The difference between Jesus and us is that Jesus knows who He is and we don't.
It is such an enjoyment listening to all of you. Cheered my soul up... Thank you for this beautiful soulful gathering. Thank you
really enjoiyed this discussion the moderator was very knowledgeable and asked insightful questions. Peace and blessings
This was so incredibly beautiful. I cried halfway through. Thank you 🙏
It's so peace to hear them...
These mystics come from three major religions of the world which are anti to each other but still they are not debating but discussing peacefully...
Thank you for this beautiful interview! I can relate so well with each of you, especially Maatta Lynn Barron! 😇
Wow, this was awesome! These 3 wise, loving people and others like them should be our world leaders, rather than the people who are here now.
The one who are here are the same as us
in essence.
Wonderful!! One of the best programs I’ve seen and heard that can take our “searching” or experiencing to a more unified “togetherness”!
Being on a Sufipath, every person has something to express by which i am touched. Touched is for me is therefore a reflection of the Essence. Call it God, Jaweh, Allah or even Love.
God Is The One that is All.
That All is All of Us.
Gloria in Excelsis Deo! 🙏
I find it so interesting that Rabbi Omer-Man discourages people from talking about their mystical experience. It can be so difficult to convey "the peace that passes understanding".
I felt so emotional when the lady said "home". For much of my now quite long life I have had the strong feeling that there is somewhere that is home, and that it has nothing to do with where I have lived. It is so nice to be made aware that this is not something that I imagine.
I live near Yosemite, and when I draw near as I get closer and when I’m there I also experience the sense of being alive and how all is well and right.
Damn. So grateful to be able to listen to these people
Beautiful. I agree with everything said.
Feel blessed..... Thank you beautiful people
This was truly beautiful. I would love to hear these folks talk with politicians. The language of talking points that politicians usually rely on for retaining their carefully engineered positions would disintegrate immediately when faced with genuine compassionate questions from people who don't secretly hate them. Just a thought.
"Beautifully expressed."
This is dope.
Ive had this experience after going cold turky off weed which i smoked daily for 2 months. I felt trancedent like i rised above my ego. I noticed a lot of coincidences and it all felt like a learning experience. I couldnt describe it to my parents, i tried it but failed. I told my mother that I was outside of a room that we all live in. My parents got scared of it and let people from a psychiatric instance come. They said i was psychotic, and they took me to a psychiatric institution forced with police outside. I felt like i knew what truth was and i was to gain wisdom from it, but all those people thought I was crazy. I was treated like a crazy person (whatever being crazy is) for 2 months. it felt for me as if they took the experience away from me because i wasnt allowed to experience such things, because it doesnt fit in this modern society. It really saddens me upon this day, the thought that i could’ve learned more instead of being hospitalized and forced on medication bc they defined my situation as delusional and psychotic
there is a reason most traditions recommend keeping personal religious experiences to yourself.
God is a psychedelic trip - now i've heard everything!
the mystic swims in delight in the water in which the psychotic drowns
This is an amazing condo with amazing humans❤ thank you
Convo😊
Lovely people! This world needs more mystics!
You are it
These mystical experiences open us to the realm of true self that we are all in ONENESS w/ God!🌿❤️😇🙏
One mind One Love...
I am not a body I am free I am exactly as God created me 🙏 looking forward to home ✨
@@peacelovejoy8786 what a hinduism I am not the body I am the soul itself whose part of God which is also spirit
This is common in vaishnavism Hinduism oneness with supreme being
MashaAllah. All of them spoke the truth
The uncles and aunt i never had but always needed
Thank you so much.
Everything they are saying is true to me. That is the bliss and the heart ache.
Even if an experience is remembered and that’s fine, remember that Maria kept all this in her heart…. Every person, and therefore an experience, is really different.
Awesome!!!
Jesus says we are not of this World. The World falls away. God's Kingdom is broader than we can ever imagine. The most we can see from our very limited perspective and perception is but an approximation of the broader whole.
Yes!
So soulfull all of them 😭😭😭
Inner illumination into outer illumination.
The saddest part is that their Dr's would send them for psychological evaluation and to a neurologist.
You give too little credit to the field of psychology. If something doesn't cause trouble or distress to a person experiencing it or the people around that person, psychologists tend to not try to "cure" it. I would bet that if you went to a psychologist and told them about having the type or experience these people had, the psychologist would start by reassuring you that having experiences that don't necessarily make sense from scientific point of view is a normal thing that doesn't necessarily require treatment if you don't feel like it's negatively affecting you.
Beautiful
I went through a couple of experiences which I would describe as manifestations throughout a feeling that goes like:
I felt that I would not need any kind of pleasure, specifically the physical pleasure, because I was going through a complete state of ultimate pleasure or happiness. I also felt that this kind of state would feel the same for any human beings if they would have the chance to go through it. The condition into which it touched my spirit was - it happened when I was talking remotely and separately to a couple of human beings (women: whom I knew they were seeking light) whom I felt they had as the same spirit as I had at that time. Each experience lasted for about 10 seconds or so, and it made me feel as a free soul flying in peacefullness & divine pleasure which made me feel that if a human being would reach it out they would not need sexual pleasure at all.
I can't tell how a human being could reach it out, but, I would say:
You can get there by being into an ultimate submission to something that is unlike anything at all. In addition, look for someone who is also seeking purity and have connection with them, so that hopefully you will be able to get into the same state I had, and, most importantly, forget about every thing and find yourself in nowhere! 💚♥️
True mystic doesnt impose their opinions on others and resist nothing but accept everything.
Wow thanks
YES...The exoerience of ONENESS..CAUGHT UP IN THE VERY BEING OF THAT WHICH IS..losing all sense of personal ego..only knowing with the Father that I AM.
Such spirit's needed on the glob .
We must pray and visualise for the world @Mohamed Ahmed for people like this from every nation and all faiths to come to the world's attention. They will help to lift the frequency of consciousness that we are all One and it could help overcome the Dark Forces.
@@margueritearavena2256agree 💯 God bless you
None of them are saying anything that wasn't already known by their race, culture, or time period. Now if some mystic were to have devised the cure for all cancers, that would be something.
There is no need to talk about the mystic experience excessively. It's a matter of a bodily potential, an intrinsic function for those who are determined to put it to use and yes, I agree that it's the most private thing there is, purely subjective and can only rarely be shared inter-subjectively with others when there is a good reason to do so.
Everyone in here.... yall are my peoples :D
She sums it all up @ 16 minutes when she says Home... that’s the best way I can describe how I feel. And what hurts the most is that’s how I feel about the woman I love, she’s not in my life right now and I feel homeless. I feel lost.
Very true brother.
What a beautiful exchange of experiences. None of us can know of the things of which they speak unless we have desired to know them and whether they exist or not Desire is the mover...regardless of the faith into which we are born. The experience of "God" is available to every human being and has been sine tome immeorial. It is the basis for alk religions. So sad that secular, fundsmentalist only deal with concepts and negate the experience of the innefable...having lost touch with the very source of their beginnings. The urge toward the transcendent is innate, inborn. Do I believe in God? I believe in the experience of God. I trust it. Whether it's what it seems to be or whether it's a "oeak ecoerience
Calling us foreard into being mor kind, caring and compsssionate human beings...either way we cant lose.
That calls us forward into being more caring compassionste human beingd ee cant lose
We are all God!
I went in search of what might have happened 2000yrs ago. I could see that human spirituality is grounded on the mystical experience and i wondered about christianity, since it is my heritage. I've had success: i had a week long meditative experience and that's what it says in the gospel of Judas, a week long experience of the "secret sayings" of Christ. Judas had a meditative experience and was then shanghaied to India where he started the Mar Thoma Church. Then it happened like Ralph Ellis says. You can see the evolution of the story if you line them up chronologically; Thomas, Paul, Mark, Matthew, Luke, John.
@@mediocrates3416 Thank you for sharing.
Mystics know the world watched as the greatest man ever born was whipped to His death. Martyrdom is part of the mustc experience
Brother David Steindl-Rast: 20:40 - he explains his mystical experience.
I am mystic 🙏✝️🌺❤️🦋 l. Was told By God.. God Bless you all.🙏❤️✝️
MISS GAYLA IAM VERY INTEREST TO BECOME MYSTIC TELL ME PLEASE THE FIRST STEP TO GET IN THE PATH OF MYSTICISM
It's mysticism a personal and private relationship with God?
@@RicardoReySantos mysticism comes after the understanding that all is one. Separation is a blessed illusion. After all, there would be nothing to behold nor any sense of me and you without the separation of various elements. There’s an experience that is like remembering who you are, rather than discovering some new thing. It is already with you.
If you want to see this, no one can possibly tell you. Instead, look, listen, observe and search. Make connections in your experience and consider those around you. Set your goal and let the inner voice guide you. If you find a teacher, don’t expect them to teach you this directly, but rather be attentive to everything and expand your awareness.
Scriptures of various sorts may help, but don’t force yourself to do anything unless your soul yearns for it. Regardless, you will be just where it is that you’re meant to be. Just be. Peace to you ✌️
Look at the eyes of the three, then talk about love.
Country systems.100 years.
Democracy.
Capitalism.
Religion.
Human quality.
What is the difference between Jewish Sufism and Islamic sufism?
I would say the fact that one is thru Islamic teaching and the other is thru Jewish teaching. Sufism is only spirituality
the guy, Abraham, who revived Jewish mystic lived in EGYP under Salahu din Ayubi. That time, Islam Sufism was very popular in EGYPT. Abraham loved the Islamic Sufism and came Jewish Mysticism. And that is how Jewish Sufisk/Mystics got started.
7:56 "sometimes through people... less so!" :)) bitter truth
This was in my FB feed today. " A priest , a monk and a rabbit walk into a bar. The bartender asked the rabbit "What will you have ?". The rabbit said " I don't know , I'm here only because of auto correct "
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WE MUST ALL REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN
What is Krishna consciousness and what evidence is there to validate such an idea?
Yesss Brahman , Paramatma Bahgavan realization
@@ReyWho Hare Krishna religions teaches the highest self realization it's beyong our physical sense it teaches to realized the trancendental reality
Yes and Krishna is not God Himself. He was a man who reached a level of consciousness and then he talked about God.
Detachment is an Empty Vessel my quote
Detachment is an empty vessel filled with God.
I wish they would've had at least one person from a dharmic religion rather than just three Abrahamic scholars
They never really explained "Where/What home is?" It can't be here because we all eventually die 💁
9:30 Maata Lynn Barron #Sufi
If looking at trees, walking into a village, running a bath then feeling bliss is a peak experience, and that's the best they have had, then what a stupid bloody waste of life. These egos are living in imagination.
Sri Sankaracarya. If you dont know who that is, you should!
Nothing under control... he hit the nail on the head
Beliefs are not the point when you actually have the direct experiences of the divine
Would have been more balanced if made an evangelical church had been invited as they believe in the spiritual gifts and infilling of Holy Spirit.
It would have. My fear is that Evangelicals would judge these three as misled by the Devil as the Evangelical tradition is more intellectual approach and is more exeptionalism rather than universalism. Btw Im a Christian from an Evangelical church that had a mystical experience, something I stopped sharing as it is beyond the ken or scope of the Evangelical world view.
@@hubertposadas8279Yep
My mystical experience was also "going Home" - they validated my experience
Reading the books of the New Testament, we probably asked ourselves more than once: *"Why 2000 years we do not see those miracles that accompanied the Сhurch of Christ in the I century, as described in the New Testament?"* Why do the so-called preachers of Christ have to prove that Jesus really existed and atheists boldly deny the historicity or divine origin of Christ? Maybe because the Сhurch of Christ has not existed for 2000 years?
The Сhurch does not exist in the form in which it is presented in the books of the New Testament, but there are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other christian sects claiming to be the place of the Church, but they not have the only thing that distinguishes the divine from the human and is characteristic of just the Сhurch of Christ -the reinforcement of the word with signs, that is, miracles (Mark 16:15-20). Therefore, some researchers doubt the historicity of Christ, and some of them are not opposed to declaring him a an ordinary philosopher, teacher. But even if Jesus were an ordinary philosopher, his disciples would be ordinary followers of Jesus. And they would not dare to write about the miracles that not only Jesus, but also his disciples, could perform. In this world, the great fertility of atheism can be explained by the fact that there is no main opponent of critics of the Bible - the Church. If there were the Church in our time as described by the authors of the New Testament books, where miracles are performed, the sick are healed, where prophesied, and the dead are raised, no one would doubt the historicity of Christ. Then there would be the same controversy throughout the world as in the first century - Jesus the Son of God or the false prophet who seduces the world by miracles. As a result, we can say that the emergence and development of christian sects and atheism was the result of the fact that over the 2000 years the Сhurch of Christ did not exist.
Find *"The Mystery about the Church of Christ"* video on UA-cam. The video reveals the prophecy of the disappearance and reappearance of the Church of Christ before the End of the World. Watching this video will give hope to all who sincerely seek God and will interest those who are not too lazy to think freely. Click on my name to watch the video (The video is in Russian, but English subtitles are included).
"Nanak" Beyond All reinforces those that are lost within or question their different Modus Operandi. But I am not sure if my Sikh even knows yet cares about this...? As with anything of such great intelligence, there are many that pick and choose what they desire to fulfill at their whim. "Waheguru ji is the only Truth purest of forms yet beyond form! Whaheguru Ji is the only Victorious!" This is how I and all the Sikhs greet everyone. How do you Greet my fellow beings of infinite colors and ways?
Sat Sri Akal - True is Highest the Immortal One! 🙏🏽 The headdress says it all! " It Is The Way " MK U.
Thank you. My experiences seem more normal.
Bless you
Brother David Steindl Rast more open and more informative.Otherwise I am loving this.
Abraham Maslow
TS Elliot
St Augustine
Epiphany
Peak Experience..
@Level ARE3RA Thanks.
The Absolute & unNameable Presence enjoys Her creation via the multiplicity of sentient 'beings' within this Cosmic Dream! Everywhere the eye falls is The Face of God:)
Thanks for this interesting dialog.
Tell that to holocaust survivors.
whats confusing is that how is it possible that God talks to all three and tells none who is on the right path.
I wouldn't call that confusing, I'd call it beautiful.
Looking at this with a logical or scientific mind will provide no answers
If that’s confusing you may have missed the point... watch again with no idea of right or wrong... just let the ideas flow into you❤️
In the coran He tell us Muslims if He wanted He could made us in the same religion the same colour and the language, but He made us different so we know ourselves and each other, and every path that take us to the One that we came from is THE path
@@zazozazo400 actually my point was spiritualism has nothing to do with religion just like science.
you can be an athiest and have mystical experience,in fact religion or book learning can be a hinderance to the esoteric.
Not necessarily, the secret is in religious text. Rather or not you find it through it is up to you and your understanding
I heavily disagree with that. It is all in the way you read them. You just read them like you read the ingredients on a pakkage. Or you read them and let them work you, let them soften your heart. I believe the Bible speaks about keeping it in your heart. You need that.
You need religion aswell, you need other people, they exposed you shortcomings and your talents. That is vital. You need a structure especially in the beginning. You can be free if you haven’t been a slave.
@@brambes1804 as you said you need a structure in the beginning after the self has been seen as a illusion you are free but seeing doesn’t depend on religion it can happen to anyone at any time
what has silence got to do with religion ?
Perhaps a better term would be “stillness”. It is the sense of peace you feel as you become one w/ the Divine, according to mystical tradition.
These people are talking mainly about mysticism, not religion in general.
I think it is about learning to listen. The imagery however should be extrapolated to all senses. So you listen to everything that is happening.
Every prophet has time of solitude. In Islam it is called Shalwa. Moses did it so as Mohamed.
Jesus was a yogi of the one eternal path
Yeah try and explain it to your doctor
What we would gain from science understanding more about consciousness: understanding behavior codes that were important and necessary at that time of history and it is not helpful (or some cases controlling and abusive) in today's environment. It would be also helpful to understand why there are differences in religious traditions, how and why different religious paths have their own place or their own type of people they are called to it. It would help against indoctrination, religious fanaticism and to form a right to abuse, hurt and degrade others using religion. It would help love between people belonging and practicing different ways of experiencing the relationship between "oneness" and the importance and gift of being an individual.
I am hoping that humanity will learn about the why-s and how-s. I promote psychology with religion or spirituality. A mentally unhealthy person will use religion, spirituality and even mystical experience to their own agendas. It is true for teachers and also followers. Both have to have a psychological understanding of the negativity that can grow out from a personality that got corrupted by powers, even powers of spiritual nature. (Actually it is even more)
I also believe in the balance of spirituality and the necessity of "worldly" everyday life. Spirituality is not enough. Period. We need many things to support even the chance to have time and environment to feel safe to practice. The marvelous spiritual life of the past doesn't exist for me. It was always a mixed bag. (Like crusades and other forms of control and abuse) We need material things to be here, always did. Because those material things were not there for everyone, we had separate rolls. We had roles that were as a priest or spiritual teacher of other names. Most of the society were workers. The last 3000+ years, very hard, backbreaking, illness ridden, often short lives. I think hunting gathering was maybe less backbreaking but had its challenges that I would not find the most admiring or fulfilling. Above all, we were parents, because as a species, we had to survive.
And *nothing* is wrong with it. If you believe in God: we were created like that. It is not our fault. Material world has its place. Why would we be here? Do you think it is a mistake?
28:26 no one emotion is unnecessary. It exists because it has its place. Even fear. At the right time and the right amount. When you were picking berries, the right amount of fear at the right time saved your life. If you waited too long because you noticed a clamp of irresistible berries 20 feet away from you, you would rather process that growl you heard or that rustle in the grass. You would need some fear to go hide in some safe place, not anticipating the joy of tasting that fruit.
The middle way is a very important concept. The middle way is not stagnant. It varies by circumstances. I think the middle way can't be thought because it is always different. Wisdom is to learn what is the middle way and to notice it when we are off course.
Behind every war is fear from the population who are following someone who use that fear. Someone who has agenda, who want to control others and who has no problem committing abuse and crime on others. I don't see Hitler being fearful. I see unquenchable thirst to control others, to make others follow his wants and will. To manipulate others (also with fear but with other means to) he had no boundaries and limits.
Some people have no fear. And they are dangerous.
The mystic is not a different kind of human being but every human being is a different kind of mystic.
I wonder, has anyone in that group ever vaped DMT?
No DMT and all drugs cause a reaction from within. They don’t actually bring anything from outside. So our nervous system is capable of these experiences stand-alone. Go within. All is happening within
WRong!! Next video..
Having studied mystical experiences because I have had two myself, I am sorry to tell you that none of these "mystics" has had a mystical experience. These experiences are profusely described by John of the Cross and Theresa of Avila. Meister Eckhart has decribed the way to get them. These decriptions are exactly what I have experienced. Evelyn Underhill has also done a huge psychological research on the experiences of the most known mystics and her findings on the first two mystical experiences are descriptions of my experiences.
this whole interview is kind of weird
too many I's
Some people think and believe that there are many paths to GOD. In fact, there are many paths to Jesus and if you except Jesus total and free gift of sacrificial love, then through him and him ONLY, you embark on ONE road / path to GOD. For JESUS is the way, truth and life for he is GOD clothed in glorified, transfigured and elevated human flesh that houses the Spirit of GOD.
Advaita vedanta , iam mystic also Aham brahmasmi
In that state there is no I 😅
It is your fantasy or imagination. Discover who you are; not what is out there or what books and scriptures say. Explore with an open mind with no programming. Please
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It is outside the imagination. This is why you cannot understand it.
KRISHNA IS WITHIN
@@ArmwrestlingJoe you’re not an spiritual seeker, you’re lazy.
I have found peace through Satan
That is impossible.
Good for you
keep on praying to Satan. I am sure it is your savior.
Yes he drove you to peace.
All that's missing is a frat boy that did one too many shrooms
@Level ARE3RA I believe you left precisely this comment in reply to one of my own on another video. Is this a program that you recommend whenever you notice someone who appears to be experimenting with psychedelics?
Look at all the silly uniforms
Christianity is not." But a away" it is the ONLY WAY.
This Benedictine , I would think has had himself compromised much like Thomas Milton .
Christ did not come to be one teacher among many , he came as the very SON , of GOD the second
person of the Trinity.
He didn't dialogue with the scribes and Pharisees , he condemned them
This Benedictine should see his enemy in that woman .and Proclaim Christ. Superiority and all things spiritual ..
You’re stuck in the exoteric understanding of Christianity.
@@befree4876
I am not an idiot like the pope who was given a hammer and sickle with Christ crucified on it , the fool
Accepted it.
I'll stick with Saint Thomas Aquinas understanding of Catholicism .
@@tomdooley3522 I agree with you.
@@tomdooley3522 Your words are filled with condemnation and separation. Brother, remember st. Paul who said that Christ in his body united all that stands opposed. That isn't limited to "Greeks and Jews", it transcends time and place. If you see opposition everywhere, I am a bit worried about you. I am not calling you to abandon Christ, but to love your enemy and see the Truth even in the philosophy and mysticism of muslims and jews. As did st. Thomas Aquinas with Averroes, Avicenna or Maimonides...
@@thedisintegrador
I can accept truth where ever it comes from , but at this point in time , we are betrayed on all sides
Being handed over to darkness by the shepherds of the flock , the prince's of the people sell us into slavery, I am not to interested in Makeing nice with the enemy.
I have come to set one against the other, if your not with me your against me, if they hate you know they hated me frist. , see I sent you as sheep among wolf's.
these pukes try tell you a wolf is a misunderstood family man , and a
Hyena and a jackal are as honorable as a lion, they see nothing special about Christianity they don't despise and thinks needs ended.
Pure evil
Beautiful