Why Did The Sith Obey The Rule of Two? - Star Wars Explained
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- All throughout Star Wars (the Phantom Menace to Revenge of the Sith and into Return of the Jedi) we have seen only one Sith Master and one Sith Apprentice. Thousands of years ago, the rule of two was created. In this video we will go in depth as to WHY the rule existed and why Sith continued to obey and respect it.
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Hey my friends!
What did you think about the Rule of 2? Would it have been better if the Sith just grew and grew into a big clan?
I think that the if the Sith grew into a giant clan, it would have expanded on the iconic "Star Wars" title, making a better and larger theme of good vs evil. More battles would most likely occur and possibly a bigger war than the Clone Wars/any major scale battles Pre - Star Wars Episode 1 would've happened.
As to the rule of two it was a pragmatic decision based on the needs for some stability in a world of perpetual assassination and lack of trust. By acknowledging the problem and codifying the system then some stability for the strong years of the present over lord and the provision to ensure a strong competent replacement trained in more than just fighting skills but leadership- Think of the Turkish Emirs who had their brothers strangled to ensure no civil war and social continuation and growth among'st a brutal people who could easily fall into anarchy and fail.
I think the world the Prequels and the KOTOR and KOTOR II show is amazing and visionary. It is Star Wars at it's most evolved and deep, It is what most of the discussions are about precisely because there is so much to talk about rather than the original trilogy. I think even the acting is REALLY good (Palpatine!) and that the portrayal of Anakin was perfect for his insecure late teenager personality. He PLAYED HIS ROLE, perfectly. He is not Luke and this is part of why HE becomes Darth Vader not Luke
The whole point about Anakin is he is really gifted but a tragic personality, not strong enough for his talents. He has a much much worse past than Luke and on top of that the wrong personality to deal with these tragedy's. He is much more arrogant AND insecure than mellow Luke and is also wrongly treated by the Jedi council with only Qui Gong being wise as too what was needed (lots of love, support AND critique) because unlike the blind suspicious Jedi Council he was open minded and in touch with what was actually going on. Yoda is not wise at this point (and later admits this) and quite blind as are the other Jedi or else they are suspicious (negative).
Qui Gong loved Ani instinctively and was his father in practice if not genetically. Anakin would not have resented instruction and discipline from a secure mature loving father figure he admired rather than an 'older brother' Obi Wan to who he felt competitive. As an older man Obiwan had learned his lesson so well he forwent the traditional Jedi practice of child cult manipulation and let Luke actually have the proper family life that Anakin never had but really needed.
I, myself, was less than happy when the new films came out mostly because Jar Jar was so jarring a personality. He was just an annoying clown fool I thought (like most) but now I do not think that even that is right. It is clear that either Jar Jar is a Sith himself (perhaps the senior planner who pulls the strings while being camoflaged as a fool or just a tool of Palpatine's as he is always where he needs to be to turn things Palpatine's way, including becoming THE Senator who convinces the Galactic Senate to give up liberty ala Hitler 1934 with the 'emergency proclamation' (created by the needs of the Clone wars; yet unseen by the blind Jedi and Senate).
It has gotten to the point that I hardly can hardly be bothered to watch the original trilogy as they seem as the 'Hobbit' does to the 'Lord of the Rings', a simple child's nursery rhyme version of a far deeper dark complicated dangerous adult world!
Star Wars Theory if there was a rule of 2 why where there inquisitors
Star Wars Theory I love your intro dude. I wondered this too. I mean, 2 isn't exactly an order. It's a partnership. But your explanation answered my question. No there won't be a rule of two because Kylo and Snoke are not sith. Snoke told Kylo that sentiment caused the fall of the Empire. That sounds more like Yoda than it does a sith. Snoke is something else. I think he's either the shaman that taught Qui Gon part of the secret of eternal life, or a fallen angel from Millius Prime.
sorry about that
Rule of two: Thousands of years of work, about 20 years of payoff
You tell me if thats worth it
notthatinnocent86 Plagueis started doing it wrong
come one after over a thousandth years were there still just as strong as the 4 strongest jedi combined and the rule would also insure that knowledge would be lost because a apprentices that grows stronger than his master before the master could teach him all that he knows will cause a massiv lost in knowledge not to mention that if the series would be a little more realistic that would by just 2 have the sith ended a long time ago by an accident that would kill them.
Two Sith ruling the galaxy for 20 years is better than thousands ruling like half the galaxy.
that only happened because sidious chose anikan as his apprentice when he already had multiple other apprentices to choose from.
The Rule of Two is kind of stupid. I know the Old Republic era Sith were more quantity over quality, but it was much better in it's way. There probably weren't many Sith, if any, that were as powerful as Sidious and Vader, but thousands of Sith is still more powerful than just two. And with that many Sith, there's bound to be some that are truly powerful. Plus, not all of them are going to be ones that teamed up with other apprentices against their masters. It could also make some of the Sith more powerful, since they constantly would have to be fighting against their rivals in the order. The Rule of Two era Sith lacked this challenge entirely.
The survival of knowledge, the discovery of knowledge, and the survival of the Sith in general would also be better off if there were more Sith. The reason for this is because there's more Sith that are researching, and more Sith to actually hold onto and protect the knowledge. And it's a bit risky having only two Sith at any one time because if those two Sith die, the whole Sith Order dies with them. That's exactly what happened in RoTJ. The Sith are much more likely to survive if there are a lot of them, even if it does cause a lot of conflict, there will always be some Sith alive.
Do, “What if Yoda just snorted a line of a coke before duelling every Sith”
Yoda:Killed them in 2 seconds, I would
JamesTheFox he’s OP as it is, imagine a crackhead Yoda
I think you mean Ketamine
happy JJ Can’t have Yoda In a K Hole. But I guess he would truly then become one with the force.
He should take a tab and we should watch in his pov
Yet they all seem to have multiple “ hidden “ apprentices
They'd have apprentices, but the apprentices didn't have the title of Sith tho.
More than apprentices they would try beta testing on other suspects that may have more potential than the current Sith lord, so that way the next generation would be even better.
Exactly, the rule of 2 isn't perfect
@@PoorMansArsenal sort of. Theyd be like bronze class members of a gym and can only train off peak hours
That sort of makes sense. You need to keep your apprentice secret because there's a very real danger your master might look at your apprentice, decide you're right, kill you and then just take your apprentice as their own.
I mean, this is almost literally what happens in Return of the Jedi.
“Sith are greedy and wouldn’t work together.”
Okay, makes sense!
“Sith lords should prioritize the survival of their apprentice over themselves.”
Yeah I also raised an eyebrow over that one.
@@TheMaxMaxTheMax I think how it works is that Darth Bane intended for each successive Sith apprentice to eventually become stronger than their master or die, until one apprentice succeeded, and then continue the cycle. Basically, each master must train their apprentice both as a weapon of their own will as well as to create a Sith even more powerful than themselves, knowing that they will likely kill them one day. Of course that didnt stop Sith like Sidious from trying to both create a more powerful apprentice as well as maintain control over them to preserve their own life
Like you would have to teach your apprentice everything you know while also improving on your own to surpass them, killing as many apprentices as necessary one at a time until you finally lose. It basically guarantees you wont die of old age, but it does produce powerful Sith, which is the point
Wait so sith lords have to train strong apprentices in order to then kill them later on which will in turn give them more power and make them younger? Is my interpretation correct? Because that's hella confusing. Sorry I only recently started to get into star wars lore so I'm trying to understand this. The dark side is so interesting
The only thing I can think of is that they don't really die and a the ghosts we have seen and keeping the Sith going is what gives them defacto immortality.
The Rule of Two has merit, and a major weakness too. Namely, a Sith lord invests years of his life training an apprentice. If the apprentice challenges for the throne and fails, that process will have to start all over again. The next apprentice is likely to be successful, but not because he became more powerful than a master at the peak of his powers, but because the master is now likely past his prime. And that undercuts the philosophy of each new master being more powerful than the last.
Darth Bane had faced this problem before but he managed to find the holocron of Darth Andeddu to solve it. Even if age ravages the Master, they would just have to find a new vessel and make it their own. That way the Master would remain youthful and strong until the apprentice is proven the strongest.
Zannah bring my lightsaber.
Also there is zero contingency - if something happens to the master before being able to train an apprentice, the line of Sith ends. Sith Lords aren’t immortal, they could die in accidents, or what if the intended fight between master and apprentice ends up killing both?
Also Sidious killed Plagueis in his sleep, meaning it’s not necessarily the more powerful fighter who continues the line.
That’s why I always believed there must be some secret contingency plan, like another watcher in the background who would interfere if such a disaster happened. Not necessarily Jar-Jar of course.
@@magicmulder deep. hadn't thought about it to that extent, but that's exactly right. i see the Sith as a cross between a cult and the mafia. the only way to survive and to thrive is they have to have a code, a higher calling (that everyone adheres to) that supersedes personal interests, and puts the order's interests above all else.
Evolution doesn't weed out the weak, just the least adaptable. Tigers are in danger of extinction, while mice thrive despite humans putting consecrated effort into exterminating them.
Do "What if Anakin Didn't Hate Sand?"
Adam Hersi 😂😂😂😂
this is so over asked lol
"What if J-E-D-I really spelled Sith?"
+Darth Vader Sand.
that video has been done allready
Now we need a TV show about the Order of the Sith Lords
Craig Smith more like a death babe tv series on the books they'd be awesome because the books describe the rule of two and how palpatine got so much power
Craig Smith ehhh nah but in clone wars they would give the siths their own episodes
I've always wanted a trilogy or series focused around KOTOR/mandalorian era
There is a petition on Netflix to start a to series about the old republic
Peter Bergmann lol, I signed that! 😂
Anyone else notice that the picture of plagueis at 2:07 is just an edited picture of Voldemort?
Yeh I know it's so weird to look at
Did you know that if you look at the stories they are the same with new characters?
Guys. I'm the real Big Smoke. You must believe me!
Big Smoke hell yeah how's grove street
Big Smoke thats wgat i was just commenting lolol
Rian Johnson and Jar Jar Abrams:
“Wtf is the rule of two???”
Santiago León JJ did a great job of making the rule actually make sense
WoahBlow how?? He came up with the knights of ren bullshit and didn’t even give sith the surname of ‘darth’
Santiago León knights of aren’t sith
@@woahblow4127 yeah I'd like you to explain how the end of this trilogy makes the rule of two make More sense... While your at it explain why they don't belittle the original trilogy...
Tyler Sandiford they literally explain it, very explicitly. The masters keep it going because they feel the power and understand it makes the sith more or less. Take 1 apprentice, groom them to be a suitable vessel
As Luke told the Emperor, "Your overconfidence is your weakness." he saw that as strong as Palpatine was there was noone to challenge him. In nature wolves hunt in packs to take down prey to big for one wolf to deal with. He was so confident in his his postion that he didn't see Vader come up behind him. When you remove yourself from the natural order of survival of the fittest long enough you become weak.
holice kaderli III He also didn't see vader because he was so 'sucked in' to concentrating on the force lightning and didn't fewl the disturbance in the force
It´s one of the failures of the Ro2 arrogant masters.
''When you remove yourself from the natural order of survival of the fittest long enough you become weak.''
As someone who has lived that life, no. You do not.
@@ErraticFaith Evolution is about challenges. Becoming strong is about challenges. Take all the challenges out of life, and you become soft. If you go to the gym, and workout every day, you become strong. If you spend that time sitting on the couch, watching television, and eating junk food, instead, you get soft and weak, because there is no challenge to watching television, like there is in working out at the gym. .
Oh it’s not really about that at all. Do keep the tired cliches coming though. Like the people who originally spouted all that drivel, you’re missing a key element. Any sort of mind of your own.
Also, in the first Bane book we learn, that Jedi and the Light side get stronger in numbers, while the dark side shares a Pool and get weaker in numbers. The rule of two means that the two Sith are at peak Power. Doesnt explain why the sith follow that rule, but I think thats an important side Note.
That literally makes no sense. You're telling me 1000 Sith Lords is weaker than just 2?
@@Evan8787 there is 1000 dark side points, you have an apprentice and a master, they each get 500 , you get 1000 siths they each get 1 point. That's how I interpret it, siths are selfish so they wouldn't want to share their power anyways. While jedis only use the power for protection of others.
Mosts of this is true but not because of some limit of the dark side but because the sith betrayed each other too often the dark side and the light side are no different in the level of power they have just the users. The rule of two was made because of Bane's younger life with his very abusive father and uncaring people not because of the dark side being venom it just so happened to work instead of killing the sith off.
Before Darth Bane's era, the Sith betrayed each other as compared to the Jedi weakening the Sith powers. The Rule of Two's purpose is for the Master Sith to solely train the Apprentice to become more powerful. The Rule of Two is just like the Jedi's rule of NO ATTACHMENT.
Huh, this gave me a theory. When you were talking about the Force is more like venom than fire, and how the sith creating an almost Darwin like "the strong shall survive" mentality, what if it's just the sheer amount of force users on the sides of the force that determine how powerful a force user is? Meaning, Vader and Sidious were able to eradicate the Jedi even though eras prior thousands of Sith couldn't do this, because the dark side was "distributed" amongst such a large number of them. This could apply to Luke now, who (supposedly) is the most powerful force user, because all of the Light side is within him instead of thousands of Jedi like in the clone wars. Basically, by having less Dark Side/Light Side users, individuals become more powerful and become the vessel for that form of the Force, making them immensely stronger than a large group. Idk, just a theory...
Some have theorized that, because earlier Je'daii believed that the force was a yin and yang type deal. Always in balance, one to oppose the other. That no matter how many or who followed the dark or light, the two forces of Ashla and Bogan would always find balance to equal and oppose each other. You can read it hinted in earlier (no longer canon) timeline books during the Old Republic Era. ;) The later Jedi didn't really follow this belief and teaching though. So it's a difference between the old and new eras.
Sounds like the speed FORCE
From dc comics
Who are you
JMPHeinz 57 I was thinking along those line also
Always thought about this
Quality over Quantity
Ren and Snoke aren't Sith, they're fools.
Fools with plotshields. Fight with Snoke?
1. Snoke is Force grabbing people and playing with them a puppets
2. Snoke dies
Fight with Luke?
1. Ren is threshing air like damn wheat
2. Luke's ghost is dead
Only one movie I know with worse fighting scenes is _Tekken_ and that includes both parodies and comedies.
@Brenden Malloy The emperor died in Episode 6.
@@RoboEpic Welp I can tell you didn't watch the trashy ep 9
That crap runes anakin sacrifice it was said he would end the sith and that's exactly what he did in ep6 but Disney had to F*** it all up to make a crappy poorly written sequel trilogy for money that's why for me the sequel trilogy never happened
Those 2 jackasses were fools.
True bro
I'm guessing the inquisitors don't count as Sith.
Liam nah man they were like assassins kinda like asaj ventress an apprentice was like a successor
They're more like pawns.
Liam they have ties with the force but it’s minimal
They were previous jedi turned over to the dark side. In function and rank they are just force sensitive assassin's. kinda what Darth Maul was supposed to be before he became the apprentice of Darth sidious.
Nope, they're just Dark Jedi
What if The New Sith-master (former apprentice) dies before he finds a New apprentice or dies before The New apprentice has learn everything!?
How could The rule of two survived for a millennium with those risks!?
Than he dies. It stops one master-apprentice line not the entire existence of the sith. There are multiple ways to obtain information about the sith way than just learning stuff from your master. There are books and holocrons, or they learn things from eachother.
In the comic series ''Darth Vader'' you'll learn that Sith Masters don''t often give their students information like Jedi's give to their students. A sith student needs to obtain information through spying, threatening people or murdering them for information.
There is a scene in the (I think) 1st issue where Vader asks something to Palpetine and Palpetine answers ''A Lord of the Sith asking questions and expecting them to be meekly answered? You are a poor apprentice if you think so...'' so there you go. Hope I answered that question for you.
Yeah I have to agree. Seems to me that one bad motivator in the hyperdrive when the Master and Apprentice are off to a murder world for training, and they come out of hyperspace inside a star or bounce off an asteroid.
Chris Chiss
I would think that there would be Sith Holocrons that the apprentice could learn from
I know you think that with only two Sith if there was the slightest accident the Sith are gone forever, but that's not right. If a Sith Lord were to, say, wreck his Harley or get shot with a blaster, he deserved to die as it would mean he was weak/foolish and therefore unworthy of being a Sith. The rule of two was DESIGNED to get rid of the weak/unworthy/accident-prone.
Aaron Pierce I agree, that makes sense. Still incredible.
What if mace switched places with dooku
Darth Vader 😂 100% true
I would love a "What if Mace Windu was a Sith Lord" Video
Jumbojay420 i think he would over throw palpatine around the mid clone wars time and take maul or his brother as his aprentice
Obi wan+Anakin vs Emperor Windu and Darth Maul...god damn that would be epic.
I maybe even see Windu creating an Anti-Vaapad form where it turns light energy against itself
The sith did accomplish much more during the old republic era. Yes, there was in fighting, but the imperial government and sith council regulated the in fighting so that certain conditions must be met before a sith can overthrow another. I believe it was Revan's intent to destroy both Jedi and sith, and mostly succeeded with the sith.
#necro I personally don't identify with either the Jedi or the Sith. One teaches that you should purge yourself of all human emotion, which means you lose the ability to be empathetic towards others. The other teaches that you should completely give in to your emotions, particularly your negative ones, and basically become a giant bag of dicks who only cares about himself.
The only school of Force users that is actually built to last is Grey Jedi.
@Arcturus Blake Gray jedi is better than the nihilistic scum you had in the Prequels, there´s a reason why Kenan and Ahsoka are popular characters, gray jedi add in a layer of character development to the jedi.
@@HunterStiles651 grey is where its at
Except Grey Jedi isn't a thing
a sith council in a movie would be epic
I hate to burst your bubble but it’s not a part of the canon, it won’t likely happen. I’d love to see it happen though.
@@haydenhill28 The old canon had the Brotherhood of Darkness, they likely should be canon, even if it might never be confirmed officially by Disney, because they're the reason Darth Bane created the rule of two.
There won’t be any sith in the new trilogy so forget the dark council
@@ΣωτήρηςΣωτηρίου-θ8γThis was a weird comment..
Bringing back Palpatine (through the opening crawl no less) completely invalidates Anakin’s ark. It was also just lazy writing.
I don't think JJ had much choice. Johnson didn't leave him a lot of avenues to explore by closing all of the things that TFA set up with a casual wave of his hand. Not that JJ's innocent in this whole mess though. If he had just created a different bunch of antagonists for the good guys to face instead of a lamer version of the Empire he wouldn't have had to scramble to figure out a way to end the trilogy.
@@BP-dn9nv exactly. What a fuckin mess. Disney and their bullshit can just fuck off man, ruined pretty much everything I thought I knew about starwars 😪😅
agreed and he got so easily defeated like if he could get his lightsaber he probably would have 1v2ed kylo and Rey easily
What Anakin Did Not Win The Pod Race?
Hammerglaze I think he's already done a video about that.
Hammerglaze Spoilers bro, jeez
If you haven't watched it you shouldn't watch this video :P
unknown1233454848384 At least it wasn't a tide pod race.
Just punch Watto in the face, steal the hyperdrive and run off
I think a friend of mine put it nicely:
"I think I’ve talked about this before, but-seriously, Darth Bane was quite possibly the worst thing that ever happened to the Sith. Like-weird, demonstrably false zero sum/“dark side as solute” models of how the Force works notwithstanding, he managed to do what the Jedi spent millennia attempting: he removed the Sith as a galactic power. Congrats, buddy, you consigned the Sith to a millennium of being a complete non-factor, destroyed their culture and history, and risked the sad miserable remnant that was left being utterly obliterated and forgotten if both master and apprentice got into a fucking speeder accident!And all the Banite Sith had to show for it was … 20ish years of ruling the galaxy (but not openly-and not even by virtue of Being Sith; Palpatine would’ve won the galaxy whether or not he was Sith, he was just that good at politics) followed by some farmboy blowing it all to hell? Wow. Incroyable."
cant blame writers for giving an excuse as to why palpatine was all alone with his half-robo robin, i think removing rule of 2 and saying the jedi wiped them out wouldve made the jedi more imposing vs the space christians they supposedly are?
I think the implication is that the Sith were becoming weak enough due to their own internal conflicts that their end at the hands ot the Jedi was actually becoming close to inevitable.
Darth Bane finished the job for them, sure, but in a way that ensured that eventually a much more powerful Sith would emerge who could end the Jedi.
Bane was the best thing to happen to the sith the brotherhood of darkness and the sith as a whole before them was destroying itself left and right with infighting and it’s a serious problem when weak apprentices can gang up on a dark lord and kill them then install a weaker substitute.
The sith were still a major galactic power their enemies belived them dead but they were hiding in plain sight as politicians, artisans, builders, and prominent figures in the galaxy.
Hell Plagueis himself was the former head of the intergalactic banking clan.
Plus while they were in hiding they were amassing power, bane was already stronger then any of the sith that existed in the brotherhood of darkness and each successive master was stronger than bane.
What if Ahsoka never left the jedi order. Please.
Geo Xev She Would Be Dead
She would've been killed during the jedi purge
Anakin probably would not join the dark side as easy actually
If she never left Anakin wouldnt have disliked the jedi council as much as he did.
And even if He Did Join the Dark side, Ahsoka would've tried to turn him back.. and because Padme hadn't died yet, Anakin might've came to his senses and returned back to the light side.
There should be many Sith Lords with one apprentice each. Obviously there should be rankings with there with lords like the Jedi
They tried that. In fighting still continued. Which is why two there always should be, no more, no less.
Revan: Any master who trains multiple apprentices is a fool.
Dooku: Huh. I wonder who that's for.
He didn't train multiple apprentices at once tho. He started training savage after he thought he succeeded in getting ventress killed
@@Zanoladab And neither Savage or Ventress were actual apprentices, they were just assasins.
dooku wasnt a master he was an apprentice Sidious tho he a fool
what if the padawan who saved senator Organa survived?
Raja V Than we would have one more jobber Jedi to serve as cannon fodder.
Interesting! At least one more Jedi to survive during the rise of the Empire wouldn't be that bad.
Yves Heinrich and I figured he would go with Organa and maybe be trained by obi wan or Yoda and then be a master to luke
+Raja V I was thinking of that too! It really makes sense as well if it would've happened. It'd bring much more hope to the galaxy than expected.
I saw that clip the other day, but he didn't save him, he was trying to get away from the clones and Organa just happens to show up when he was making his getaway.
What if Luke got cocky in A New Hope?
what if there is no obi wan in the starwars univers
+Darth Vader So, you'd just stand still on that carrier, speak out your words to the high ground that is individually a sheer nothingness?
You should have giving him the LAVA GROUND!
More than one character would still have a dick
Matt Fahey thats fucking amazing
the sith wouldnt have won
Ok this was cool and all but is no one gonna talk about the goofy-ass Darth plagueis picture that literally used Voldemort's face?
Yes, it horrifying
The answer is easy to this they didn’t
When plaguis was training palpatine, palpatine was training maul then trained count dooku and dooku trained multiple people such a savage oppress and grevious(if u count him)
They did loop holes, for "Sith Assassins" Maul was allegedly one. Savage and Ventress were as well. Its supposed to mean. Only 2 sith Lords. At a time.
I agree
Aproximate the rule of two means a master and a apprentice
Obi-wan Kenobi That‘s not what the rule of Two is about.
It only says that a Master should only train one apprentice at a time, however not that multiple Masters aren’t able to trains one apprentice each. Palpatine only ever had 1 apprentice at a time, he first trained Maul, then Doku. Doku only trained Ventress, since Grievous is more of. a droid and definitely not a Sith.
Schokobär Wasabi but dooku also trained savage oppress ?
I have a theory. Depending on the time when the prophecy about Anakin was crated, would the rule two make it so when Anakin “brought balance to the force” there would (roughly) be an equal number of Sith as there were Jedi. The rule of two would greatly bring down the number of Jedi (making them Easier to make extinct). That might have made it for this reason.
When Darth Maul was "killed" Darth Sidious took on Count Dooku as his new apprentice and during the Clone Wars Count Dooku had an apprentice named Ventress. Darth Sidious feared Ventress was getting to powerful and that Dooku and Ventress were planning to kill him, so he ordered Count Dooku too kill her to prove his loyalty. Didn't this kind of break the rule of two??
Brandon Murray no as ventress was a dark Jedi assassin/ sith assassin as the rule of two says there will only be 2 sith Lords a master and apprentice but wasn't limited in using other force sensitive creatures as tools to gain power but not being the sith assassin to their level
But the question still stands:
Wouldn't Sidious want Ventress to fight Dooku and see who would be more powerful? Ordering Dooku to kill her just seems cowardly
Dario Colon good point I would have just done that
Sidious didn't care about Dooku or Ventress in the long run, and simply wanted a reliable placeholder/primary agent to carry out orders regarding the Sith until Anakin was prime for turning to the dark side. Sidious wouldn't have wanted Ventress possibly killing Dooku in a fair fight, and so simply told Dooku to kill her so as to tie up some loose ends prior to Sidious then disposing of Dooku in episode III, effectively eliminating all other dark side users other than himself.
If anything, he was enforcing the rule of two. A few random dark side thugs is one thing, but at this point Darth Sidious had two apprentices and was violating the rule. He was also beginning to see the inevitable consequence of breaking that rule.
IMO it should’ve been plaguies that came back to life
Hell I would've settled for Darth Sidious still, but I'd they like actually included lore. Like what if Sidious learned the ancient Sith magics of necromancy and basically pulled a Voldemort by leaving his soul tethered to a sarcophagus (just for example) inside an ancient Sith temple. And then he could say he put it there before he even started training Anakin, because he knew that he would be an incredibly powerful Sith and why would he risk his own life, knowing the nature of Sith apprentices
Well plagueis is character pretty much no one likes or even knows
Both the ways of the Jedi and Sith are equally wrong. Think about the force and emotions like flames. The Jedi are always keep the flames down, always fearing that they could get out of control, that someone might get hurt. Yet such a small flame is next to useless in lighting up dark nor can it warm your heart.
The Sith are not only pouring superdense radioactive fuel into the fire, they also throw themselves willingly into the inferno they create, to be consumed by it.
The true way lies between the two extremes. It would take enormous amounts of willpower, character strength and skill to learn, find and hold this balance, but those who master the force might truely become one with it.
That's basically Revan.
Flipping Chips I agree which is why Mace Windu is one of the most powerful force sensitive beings and the most in his age group
Agreed Mace Windu and Revan both picture the ideal.
Don’t Forget Qui Gon Jinn. He also felt the force wasn’t just light or dark.
Assessment basic, Harder try, focus more, you will.
The Rule of Two was, in essence, a gambit: extremely long term, and incertain in its endgame.
The very purpose of the Rule of Two was to create the ultimate Sith Lord, one that would eventually dominate the galaxy with his (or her) sheer power in the Dark Side. But should the chain of Master and Apprentice break just ONCE (as it did in RotJ), the whole plan goes to waste.
Who else saw episode 9 and totally didn't pay attention to the end of the vid
sequels are shit non canons disney shit gtfo
I believe that palpatine killed plageious in his sleep though so there was no proof that palpatine truly was stronger. With how the sith act I doubt that the sith would be so selfless as to put the good of the sith above themselves and teach their apprentice everything. I imagine that the master would hold back from teaching the apprentice certain things to keep an edge over them, this would eventually lead to each new master becoming weaker as they don't have all the knowledge of their former master who they betrayed.
Strength doesn't just come from brute force, the Sith acknowledge cunning. When Darth Bane declared the rule of 2, he realized; that secrecy and deception were the weapons of the sith, not fight Jedi with large armies rather through the shadows and manipulating events.
To add to the above comment, Sidious eventually became more powerful than his master and Vader would have become more powerful than Sidious had he not gotten volcanoed.
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Thank you for this. I wondered about this topic for so long. This provided some much needed insight.
bane was always my fav Sith
Darth Vader Blame whiny Anakin. Most people do.
I wonder if you know who Revan is.
The Cheshire Cat yea, he was good, bane is the best in my opinion
Ah all right :) Care to enlighten your opinion? ^^ I respect it, but I am just curious :P
The Cheshire Cat first off, I respect your opinion, and I see your reasons if even is your fav, but why u love bane so much is:
1. he started training in his 20's, and quickly surpassed everyone, killing ALL teachers and fellow students.
2. Had a parasitic armor suit that protected him from lightsaber and anything else, except lightning.
3. Transferred his soul into another person.
4. learned all of revan's skills from his holocron.
5. made his own holocron.
6. killed hundred of Jedi mastered and created new and old forms of combat.
7. curved hilt added edge to combat. what are your reasons for your opinions?
I think the Sith should've been more like the jedi and they whould've won. Let each Sith lord have a padawan until he proves himself worthy, then cut him lose of his master and give him an apprentice on his own, give the former master another apprentice to fill the apprentice he lost. The apprentices would've been less likely to turn on their master since they would eventually gain power if they were loyal. And would gain an apprentice with it.
In the extended canon, the Sith on multiple occassions wiped out the republic and the jedi. Yet every single time, just as they were about to win, they became greedy and turned on each other as they were desperate to be in power after victory. This meant that they would always end up sabotaging their own victory and success at the last moment. The Dark Side carries with it many advantages. One of them is ruthlessness and an absolute lack of morals to restrict their behavior. This can give an advantage over their enemies. But it also means that they lack true unity, born out of compassion and respect. The inevitably self-destruct while the good guys would rather die than turn on each other.
Because they had no choice. For all their talk of freedom, the Sith are slaves to power.
Yautja Prime aren't we all slaves to something
@CoreReport Exactly, that is how I would have identified in the starwars universe.
@@drizzy6302 Anyone enslaved can be freed and most people's prisons are in their own mind.
CoreReport what are the grey jedi?
@@thejazer1580 Grey Jedi aren't really an order, so much as a loose classification for Jedi that are no longer purely aligned with the light side of the force, yet also do not necessarily embrace the dark side. They tend to regard the Force as tool, much as the Sith do; but since they do not embrace the dark side they do not fall prey to ambition or lust for power. The Jedi tend to keep as close a track on Grey Jedi as possible; as most of them are not a part of the Order, the Jedi have little authority over them, and are concerned they might become Dark Jedi (Jedi that have embraced the dark side, not entirely dissimilar to the Sith).
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Bane was wrong about the dark side and the force in general. The dark side is not venom that can be diluted, it is infinite and flows through all living beings. All living beings hold light and dark inside of them. Limiting the number of Sith does not make the power more concentrated.
Well, it does in a way because the Master and the Apprentice could gain knowledge and power easily because of their longer lifetimes.
No, the force is within all livings beings. There is no 'light' side. The dark side is a corruption of that force, like a cancer.
Bane just wanted the sith to stop being weak and be more aware of knowledge in the force, Bane did nothing wrong.
I think the Sith would've been more stronger if they established a similar code to Jedi, proper training, multiple teachers, and create special maneuvers for sith that like working together
They needed to control the darkside and sith have trouble controlling it to begin with, but Lawful evil sith like Krayt showcase the potential of the sith.
What if the sith made a council like the jedi where every sith van rank up and become a master and once a sith becomes a master they can take on a apprentice and the apprentice will learn and soon overthrow the other Master, the Inquisitors could be like jedi sentinels who guard the sith temple as well and the sith main priority would be to try and destroy the jedi.
Seriously, where is all this amazing music coming from? I looked at Maytook and cant find them anywhere.
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Its a smart idea for the rule of 2 because if too much they will kill themselves for power, but with 2 its a easy process than commanding 100s of sith
Rule of 2 is still stupid because instead of 2 apprentices joining to over take the master it leaves the master vulnerable to Jedi who would always have greater numbers. That's the reason why Palpatine looked beyond the sith and got political power in the republic. He was basically admitting he wasn't as strong as Jedi outright and needed more numbers.
Got a good point as if the master is killed before he/she can fully train their apprentice, then the entire Sith plan could be undone. Though I suppose it's deliberately a 'so stupid it just might work' kind of plan as it plays on the Jedi orders arrogance, they loved to believe that they had destroyed the Sith and that they could halt their return and that nothing would be changed by events for Republic, they were so wrong.
And apparently just 1 jedi was able to defeat him(mace windu) without much trouble according to george lucas,imagine windu plus yoda plus anyone else, it would destroy him xD
Arkeym MS windu was possibly the only jedi capable of beating him though, as his fighting form was uniquely suited towards fighting sith.
Plus it made them vulnerable to accident's, diseases etc.
Sith Apprentice: "Hurray, I've just killed my master! Now I need to find dude to teach him things!"
AT-AT Pilot: "Damn, I wish I don't step on any moron like yesterday. Those people just can't learn"
Ground under AT-AT's leg: *Splash*
The sith were reckless and destroying themselves for power making them weak against the Jedi. It was time to start fresh, something new like the rule of two. This allowed the sith to lay low and strike when the Jedi least expect and in the end it worked. I always felt the Jedi should have followed the rule of two as we’ll or something else along those lines. It would mean less padwans falling to the dark side and less of the strict codes that’s more about keeping Jedi in line then truly enlightening them on such natures. They’re would be much more of a focus on the force and be less involved with politics as they would go planet to planet, city city learning the force and helping those in need. The large number of Jedi or sith is their own downfall as the sacred teachings of the force was spread too thin.
Does the rule of two apply in totality, or could there be a master and apprentice elsewhere in the universe?
Can you imagine if in pt 9 they did a time jump and there are now hundreds of siths and Jedi again.... what a movie that would make
The “ Rule of Two” makes sense because if the master has multiple pupils they can join momentarily and destroy the master however each pupil is only a fraction as powerful as the master but if there is only one pupil and he she or it reaches the point where he or she or it can best it’s master, the single pupil will be just or slightly above as powerful as the master.
3:24 if only we knew back then...
Lol
The rule of 2 is pure genius. It ensures to true Dark Lard is the strongest. This along with cunning, always seeking further knowledge, & infiltration in the political spectrum was key. I’d argue based on Bane’s rule of 2, Anakin was not a worthy apprentice. Ever before he became the maimed he said he could not live without Padme, which under Bane’s rule that is weakness.
No, it's lame and doesn't make any sense. Lucas just added it because there were only 2 "Sith" in the OT. If he added more in the prequels, he'd have to explain why they all disappeared by Ep. IV, which he clearly didn't. It was much cleaner, and easier, to make up some "rule" that keeps the Sith to 2 so that Vader and Sidious remain the only two Sith by the start of Ep. IV.
New topic idea
"what if Darth Jar jar took maul as his apprentice?"
When you said at the end "Remember.." And then a darth vader impression...i was thinking Mufasa "Remember who you are"...dammit James Earl Jones!
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Narrator: They didn’t.
2:58 that makes A LOT of sense since Vader had planned to overtake Sidious with Starkiller....until Disney decided that wasn't cannon. Fuck you Disney, it is cannon in my heart.
Lucas had 4 years since the game released to make that canon... why didn’t he?
Thank you. This answered my question perfectly.
Fantastic explanation thanks for giving me a short and sweet explanation. I feel so enlightened by your great words of wisdom. Sir jedi historian
I find the rule of 2 to be impractical, illogical, and unsustainable. cool in theory, but there is no way an order that dwells in secrecy and deceit, that is capable of going undetected in the force would be able to enforce the rule of 2. people unconnected to the sith on opposite ends of the galaxy would grow up with abilities they don't understand, some would use it for good and others would be corrupted on their own for any number of reasons. now they might not learn the ways of the sith, but ultimately there is nothing preventing some random number of these force sensitives with in an entire galaxy from just stumbling on a sith holocron, or archive that would give them information about the sith. my honest opinion is that in SW: PM when yoda says "always 2 there are, no more no less" I don't believe for a second that he is confirming the rule of 2 but merely stating that the sith work in pairs. think about it, it is a completely brain dead concept to put all knowledge from an entire civilization into just 2 people. if they die it's the end like in ROTJ, palpatine and vader died and they were the 2 sith lords, but we now have snoke and Kylo ren. how could that be unless palpatine didn't follow the rule of 2, or there are other sith cells in existence.
The rule of two seems difficult for the sith to keep to . Sure there was other sith out there that wasn’t part of the two . I just think they be more with hiding and getting stronger .
If there is supposed to be balance between light and dark in the force, why does the Jedi prophecy say sith should be non existent. You said this around 3:25
Jedi prophecies are right, just misinterpreted because of Jedi extremist point of view. Anakin really did restore the balance back in episode 3, by (almost) evening number of sith and jedi. Jedi are just too foolish to realize that. That's why sith always return
Or at least that's my head canon lol
@@user-zz3sn8ky7z wasnt that sidious with the 66 order?
The balance is not a balance between light and dark. Lucas explains this by saying the dark side is a corruption of the force. That’s why luke was so important to the story, succeeding where his father failed as the chosen one by redeeming him and destroying the last Sith Lord and restoring order.
Opening background music is epic!
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2:09
Someone stepped on voldemort’s head
Snoke already broke the rule of two since he has Kylo Ren, the Knights of Ren and POSSIBLY evil Ezra Bridger.
Neither are sith, kylo ren is a dark jedi
In Canon, the sith order (banes sith order) ended with vader. There could only be 2 siths and dark jedi are just jedi that turned to the dark side. Snoke may be something entirely else But right now we don’t know.
Cortex so what was dooku? Wasn’t he a fallen Jedi as well? We will never know about Snoke now. God i hate the last jedi
Dooku was a sith, Darth tyranus. Also, after dooku left the order he was a grey jedi before palpatine turned him to the dark side
Sith only care about themselves, the only reason Jedi turn to the dark side usually is to gain more power for themselves, so why would they care about the future of the sith
I think the rule of two was a brilliant master stroke. Not only for the reasons you named, but also because it insured at least temporarily a sense of loyalty between the master and apprentice. A master to keep the Sith alive had to protect their apprentice who was an investment of time and training. The apprentice had to protect their master because they craved the knowledge and power their master could provide them with. In a twisted way it almost made them partners. Two powerful selfish beings for a time worked together for a common goal. Whenever the Sith forgot this doom was not far behind. One could say both Plaguesis and Palpatine died because they failed to follow the rule of two. Both wanted immortality, and both were killed by an apprentice who exploited their weakness: pride. I would argue Palpatine could have lived for many more years if he had invested more in Vader, thus insuring his loyalty and not looking for an apprentice to replace him. Both Canon and Legends paint the picture that Palpatine had a very hands off approach to Vader. In short Darth Vader gained most of his power before and after his defeat on Mustafar by himself. Just think how much more powerful he would have been if his master the Emperor and bothered to actually train him like he promised.
Didn’t Palpatine achieve pseudo immortality through clones in Legends?
@@roronoalaw7772yes but he was later defeated again in Legends. The basic point still stands. The Rule of Two produces superior Sith while balancing their innate ambition.
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"There can only be two sith"
Clone Wars: oh I don't think so
ya instead of getting incompetent power hungry sith we get incompetent power hungry imperials instead
What If Greedo shot first in the Catina bar?
3:42 I believe the rule of two is the best thing the sith could do, because in doing so the apprentice must be as strong or stronger that the master making the sith stronger by each kill of a master.
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The Jedi also benefited of that code, as we saw with Luke and what we're seeing with Rey. There were less and less disturbances in the force and the mentors had more time for one disciple.
There are of course rarities like Darth Maul, who would NEVER go against their master.
Actually if I remember right Jedi masters had only one Padawan from Episode 1 or earlier. And Rey wouldn't benefit form anything other than plotshield.
The Jedi don’t benefit from the rule of two. The rule of two doesn’t cause less disturbances it just concentrated the siths power because no longer could sith ascend by any other means but surpassing their master. Before the rule of two apprentices would at times team up and kill the master then a weaker one would arise. The Jedi don’t benefit from having a limited number of only 2 because unlike the sith the 2 Jedi aren’t going to kill each other in a duel to prove which one is stronger with the victor becoming the new master and continuing the cycle.
what is the song at 1:30
Tell me if you find an answer
Star wars Theory Can you do what if the Millennium Falcon's hyper drive worked in empire strikes back When Han was escaping the asteroid field.
I really enjoy your channel man
this video was so well edited
The Sith are actually more intresting then Jedi, they have way deeper meaning and purpose if you think about it
Yes and no, lightsabers have no color in black and white
Im just casually waiting for jar jar to be announced as a sith lord
I didnt realize anakin wiped all sith from the face of da galaxy
Don't know why but i get chills when I hear the song at the end of the video 😂😂
Love the background music as well as the video
Did they though?
Palpatine had trained Maul while Plagueis was still alive and was already working to target Anakin by Episode 1.
Dooku had Asajj Ventris as an unofficial apprentice while he was Palpatine's apprentice and, at the same time, Maul had survived his duel with Obi Wan from Episode 1, recovered, and would have taken on Savage as his apprentice.
During the Clone Wars, there were technically 5 Sith with Palpatine also actively trying to turn Anakin.
There's even a case to be made that Grevious was Dooku's second apprentice since he taught him how to wield a lightsaber (a force user's weapon).
Even after Anakin became Darth Vader, Maul survived into Rebels era so there were 3 Sith at least during that time (and Maul was trying to recruit Ezra as well so there could have been 4).
Even in the Empire Strikes Back, Vader was trying to recruit Luke while Palpatine was at the height of his power.
He was trying to make a new rule. Rule of family. Dynastic order of the Sith.
I think secrecy is the route to stay with
I have got some suggestions for tomomrows episode.
What if Luke got killed by Darth Vader in episode 6.
What if Luke joined Darth Vader in episode 5.
What if Darth Vader didn't killed the Emperor in episode 6.
What if Qui Gon Jinn survived in episode 1.
What if Boba Fett survived the sarlacc pit in episode 6.
What if Yoda Killed the Emperor in episode 3.
What if the Emperor killed Yoda in episode 6.
What if Mace Windu survived in episode 3.
What if Anakin and Padme did not get married in episode 2.
What if Obi Wan Kenobi and Padme Got married.
I hope you do one of these suggestions. You are awesome star wars theory. May the force be with you!
Gaming Boy Boba Fett did survive the sarlaac pit.
I just love the way this man says ''weak''
So menacing
I've always thought there was much sense to this; as fear and hate are the most destructive feelings of all, and make the bulge of emotions leading to the Dark Side... Thus any bigger clan would be quite understandably consumed by its own members' hatred and destructive nature.
Good video, this.
The Sith empire nearly brought the republic to its knees and they were both fighting the Republic AND themselves, now imagine if they were united among themselves and solely focused on the republic.
Forgetting about the boundaries of cannon
Rule of two is flawed and has its own weakness, it has been shown trough the SW stories that force doesn’t have a given quantity or potency, it all depends on the wilder, The exiles, Freedon Nadd, Marka Ragnos, Darth Revan, Vitiate, Exar Kun, etc.. all form the time of many and were no less powerful for it, it could be argued that by theory of the Rule, many should have been way above the previous mentioned ones yet most are just cannon folder in comparison, then you have the sith own nature of betrayal and plotting, always holding something back for they know betrayal will inevitably arrive, little pieces of wisdom not passed on, small techniques not thought, forms forgotten…..Small and ineligible in each generation this losses may be, but in time, build up, they do. ^_^
Anyway I really would love to see the Pure blood brought back for a moment, even if just one
What if they didn’t have a bad feeling about this?
Anakin's prophecy was that he would "bring balance to the force"... He fulfilled this prophecy when he helped kill all the Jedi but Yoda and Obi Wan, leaving himself and Palpatine... Bringing balance to the force, 2 light, and 2 dark... I think that is something no fan should overlook... 👍
what music is playing at 1:14-2:00? BTW love the videos mate.
I like this video. Can you do a video on Palpetine using the Rule of One? Once he took over the galaxy, it can be argued that he never meant for Vader to take over as he kept him only as a tool for further his will. Much of this is from the Book of the Sith and I hope you can do a video on it one day. Thanks! TRoss
"Always two, there are. No more, no less."
-Darth Tyranus
-Darth Sideous
-Darth Maul
All three of them were active sith at the same time.
I call bullshit.
Darth Maul was never meant to become a true apprentice but someone to carry out assassination for Sidious when he was still an apprentice to Plagueis. There was a time when Sidious was considering on making him a true apprentice after he killed his master but since he was defeated, he was unworthy of the title and had to be replaced with Tyranus.
Yes, but the rule of two includes apprentices.
“Always two, there are. No more, no less. *A master and an **_apprentice.”_*
DaisytheFox The thing is, sidious himself disrespected the rule of two. That being said, he thought maul as somewhat of a true apprentice. After learning his death(or at least his supposed death), he took a new knew apprentice dooku, but sidious thought him only as a disposable pawn.
Because it's much easier to overthrow one person when there's only one other person and it's you, lol.
Jedi order? Thousands of Jedi.
Sith? Steve and Steve jr.
Who will win?
Order 66.
Lph PhD They would’ve never pulled off Order 66 if the clones hadn’t been made
@@TheHoodedReaper yeah , and the clones were made because of palpi boy
@Basic mandalorian *Sifo Dias
Well there was a sith who himself alone killed the entire Hedi council about 5000 jedi before being killed himself
So even if it's 2 or 1 vs 1000 still the sith were more powerful