Ancient Sith vs Rule of 2 Sith FULL ANALYSIS

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  • @Kyle7885
    @Kyle7885 2 роки тому +321

    It also depends upon what you think of as success. The Bane Sith schemed for a thousand years to usurp power. But only reined for 20 years before defeated when Vadar returned to the Light. The Ancient Sith maintained large empires for many centuries.

    • @darth_dan8886
      @darth_dan8886 2 роки тому +43

      Indeed. I believe the Rule of Two chain has been broken in relation to Bane's vision.
      I have a feeling that Sidious wasn't the first one to not have fully learned the knowledge of their masters, or to withold knowledge from their apprentices.
      But Sidious is ultimately one of the greatest steps away from the Rule of Two.

    • @dwsvlogs97
      @dwsvlogs97 2 роки тому +10

      Agreed! The ancient sith were never able to conquer the entire galaxy. Bane's Sith obviously were more powerful as they were able to defeat the Jedi and takeover the republic but were unable to hold the galaxy for too long.

    • @darth_dan8886
      @darth_dan8886 2 роки тому +8

      @@dwsvlogs97 True, but... They took over the Republic, but did they really take over the entire galaxy?
      The Republic itself in the age of Palpatine's Empire wasn't quite the same as in the age of Bane.
      Mostly concerned with a handful of core worlds, and barely bothering to actually extend its governance to the Outer Rim.
      Can we really say that Palpatine conquered the entire galaxy by subjugating the Republic and the CIS? Both definitely expanded their influence during the Clone Wars, but still...
      The only empire that, in my opinion, ever came close to actually conquering the galaxy, is the Rakatan Infinite Empire.
      And we all know how that ended...

    • @dwsvlogs97
      @dwsvlogs97 2 роки тому +14

      @@darth_dan8886 in the Starwars Universe the entire galaxy had never been explored. As a matter of fact they could not reach certain parts of the Galaxy because of all the celestial bodies like black holes and collapsed hyperspace Lanes. It was believed that the ancient ones placed hyperspace lanes and black holes where they are to protect The Wider Galaxy from some sort of entity that acted like a virus. However Canon depicts Palpatine as the only Sith that actually took over the Galaxy until Darth Krayt came along. 1 The Immortal Empire is nothing more than gameplay so I don't count that but if we did that is not even the Sith it just was ran by The Sith emperor Vitiate.

    • @darth_dan8886
      @darth_dan8886 2 роки тому +9

      @@dwsvlogs97 Yep, the Rakata ain't Sith either, just Darksiders. And they came very close as they were not using hyperspace lanes - they simply honed in on the Force signatures of inhabited worlds with their hyperdrives.

  • @zholland93
    @zholland93 2 роки тому +119

    Did NOBODY else notice Miraak is now apparently a sith? 😂😂

    • @ralphilagan5356
      @ralphilagan5356 2 роки тому +4

      lmao 😂 was about to comment just as I saw it ~

    • @warrenballuta1523
      @warrenballuta1523 2 роки тому +4

      Went to the comment section to see if anybody else did

    • @RPeeGames
      @RPeeGames 2 роки тому

      Right

    • @frankboone8117
      @frankboone8117 2 роки тому +6

      I swear i only came to the comments to see if someone else notice that..... But Miraak was giving a whole lot of sith energy 😂😂😂

    • @subtlegong2817
      @subtlegong2817 2 роки тому

      It tracks

  • @budahbaba7856
    @budahbaba7856 2 роки тому +37

    No one actually practiced the Rule of Two! You cannot trust Sith to honor their own promises! Ask Darth Sidius about this!

  • @PlagueOfGripes
    @PlagueOfGripes 2 роки тому +71

    Both ended up with the same problem: they destroy themselves from within. Bane era Sith would devolve into killing their masters through cowardly means rather than by proving their power as Bane wished. Even after success, Vader ends up destroying Sidious and also himself. Neither solve the issue with the dark side turning on itself, and even Bane acknowledges that it's a trap: the dark side ends up warping the user into obsessively pursuing the empty concept of power to no actual end or purpose.

    • @OrdinaryInspiration
      @OrdinaryInspiration 2 роки тому +4

      Aye power for powers' sake.

    • @ryandunham1047
      @ryandunham1047 7 місяців тому +2

      Ajunta Pal himself admits the Dark Side is a trap.

    • @TheWayoftheSith
      @TheWayoftheSith День тому

      That's awfully fictional. Power IRL leads to fulfilling your purpose or goals effectively, because few can challenge you and you'll often get your way.

  • @kingofsl8891
    @kingofsl8891 2 роки тому +33

    Was unaware Miraak the first Dragonborn was an ancient sith (4:00)

    • @berylbell8452
      @berylbell8452 2 роки тому +1

      I saw him and I was like "hol' up, that explains so much!" i mean dude DID create an island from fighting with a dragon priest

    • @TheBaldBastard
      @TheBaldBastard 2 роки тому

      Lmao I was thinking the same thing!

  • @mattdafel1589
    @mattdafel1589 2 роки тому +35

    I prefer the great Sith Empires of old. The connection to the dark side was unrivaled and the vast amount of talent throughout its ranks is easy to see. If the leadership was able to tone down the in fighting they would have been unstoppable. "Through victory my chains are broken" you can never have true victory if your always fighting with the ones who follow the same cause as you.

    • @jakealter5504
      @jakealter5504 2 роки тому +3

      Ironically there were some ancient Sith Lords that did try to do that, namely Darth Marr

    • @OK-yy6qz
      @OK-yy6qz 2 роки тому +1

      It's weird because the Sith worship individual power,so no Sith Would be complacent working for or even alongside anyone else. If all Sith are equal then no Sith is more powerful which brings a problem. If Sith have Ranks the one's with the lower ranks want to upgrade immediate

    • @NottherealLucifer
      @NottherealLucifer Рік тому +2

      @@OK-yy6qz You can strive to be powerful without needing to kill everyone around you, people do it literally every day in the real world. The Sith have cooperated multiple times in history, and while it always ends badly they can have upwards of hundreds of years where its going just fine.

  • @Blitzwingz
    @Blitzwingz 2 роки тому +28

    Tenebrae-known to the Old Sith Empire as Darth Vitiate, his reconstituted Sith Empire as the Sith Emperor, and his Eternal Empire as Valkorion-was an ancient dark side entity of enormous power who manipulated galactic affairs for 1,500 years.
    This is the Winner!

    • @cash5512
      @cash5512 Рік тому +2

      He was generally speaking probably the strongest/most efficient sith ever.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 5 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@cash5512power isn't everything. Honestly knowledge and skill matters as much if not more and until he actually began seriously studying the knowledge of the ancient sith (which he didn't do till towards the end of his time as emperor) sidious was worse at both than ancient Sith. See power is only effective if you have the skill to use it properly.

  • @oscarjacquot
    @oscarjacquot 2 роки тому +27

    Hey Stupendous Wave please make What If Qui-Gon Jinn Trained Anakin PART 3 next

    • @irvingjotario3345
      @irvingjotario3345 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah we're still waiting for that!

    • @darthball001
      @darthball001 2 роки тому

      For real though

    • @jjflamez
      @jjflamez 2 роки тому +1

      if you want to see something like that on star wars theory's channel he's made a full story on what if Anakin was trained by Qui-Gon Jinn

    • @oscarjacquot
      @oscarjacquot 2 роки тому

      @@jjflamez yeah but unlike that story Qui gon jinn was training Anakin on the planet of Dathameer to help control the dark side

  • @TheAnton024
    @TheAnton024 2 роки тому +5

    4:00 we know that’s a picture of miraak from Skyrim right?

    • @sargspot
      @sargspot 2 роки тому +1

      i noticed that as well

  • @jonathankay9803
    @jonathankay9803 2 роки тому +5

    3:57 Have you ever heard the tragedy of darth miraak the dovahkiin?

  • @falloutjustcause
    @falloutjustcause 2 роки тому +4

    loved that you used a picture of miraak from skyrim lmao

  • @stealth5580
    @stealth5580 2 роки тому +1

    Did I just see an image of Miraak from The Elder Scrolls Dragonborne DLC @ 3:58?
    Great Star Wars lore btw, always enjoy hearing your distinctive tone. Stay righteous.

  • @collingoat
    @collingoat Рік тому +3

    Bane's rule of 2 that he learned from Revan was ingenious. Not only did it ensure that every new true Sith Lord was more powerful than the last, but after all, it's reliance on cunning, manipulation, & patience lead to Sidious' success. It is a shame that Anakin lost on Mustafar because of his potential future power. After becoming the disfigured Darth Vader, not only was he never strong enough in the force to usurp Sidious, but he also lacked cunning like the Sith of old. If you read the Bane trilogy, I find it hard pressed to think Bane himself would've found Anakin a worthy apprentice. The scene where Anakin is telling Sidious he can't live without Padme would seemingly be disgusting to Bane. Both himself & Zannah were much stronger mentally than that.

  • @iamahappybordercollie7597
    @iamahappybordercollie7597 2 роки тому

    wow, i was watching this channel in the mornings over breakfast most days when it had 37k subs!! that is awesome to see how much you have grown mate

  • @DarqueQueen7
    @DarqueQueen7 2 роки тому +13

    I have been deep into either lore, but this is beyond fascinating! Thank you for this education in Lore ideas, beliefs and myths.

  • @corbinskywalker
    @corbinskywalker 2 роки тому +5

    THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS

  • @chaoticclonestudios
    @chaoticclonestudios 2 роки тому +40

    The rule of two sith did things with precise planning and patience and the old sith just charged in truly manifesting their anger so it makes sense the ancient sith were stronger

    • @RexOlafusVidulusMagnus
      @RexOlafusVidulusMagnus 2 роки тому +3

      They learned the same things about the Dark Side. If the Ancients "charged right in with their anger", then they were too foolish to atempt something like the Grand Plan

    • @lordoffaiyum9727
      @lordoffaiyum9727 Рік тому

      false more innocent death in all out war. lot less in grand plan. you are short sighted kid

    • @NottherealLucifer
      @NottherealLucifer Рік тому +2

      That's because the ancient Sith had a different philosophy, the actual Sith philosophy. Taking over the galaxy the way Palpatine did is weakness in their philosophy, he didn't win through his power or by defeating his enemies, he won by actively hiding from his enemies and having others fight his battles for him, and look where that got him. The ancient Sith weren't cowards like he was, if anyone believes none of them could have come up with Palpatine's plan they're kidding themselves, they would just never do something so pathetic in order to make an empire that wasn't even Sith.

    • @NottherealLucifer
      @NottherealLucifer Рік тому +2

      @@RexOlafusVidulusMagnus They weren't foolish, they were powerful. The ancient Sith had little to fear from most Jedi, so charging in worked more often than not.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 5 місяців тому

      ​@@NottherealLuciferamen. Glad someone else understands how the rule of two was a perversion of sith philosophy

  • @davidbaker6232
    @davidbaker6232 2 роки тому +5

    Revan actually upon discovery of the True Sith he was held bent on bringing that empire down even if it meant using the idea of a sith empire .

  • @darth_dan8886
    @darth_dan8886 2 роки тому +6

    ... Through strength I gain power,
    Through power I gain victory...
    C'mon, this could have been a strong opening!..

    • @GoldHeart666
      @GoldHeart666 2 роки тому +3

      im glad i found another that noticed

    • @nel7105
      @nel7105 2 роки тому

      It’s starling how very few people noticed this massive error

  • @sourcevid3896
    @sourcevid3896 2 роки тому

    This was very good. Well done.

  • @ryanrukezo1260
    @ryanrukezo1260 2 роки тому +10

    I replayed KOTOR too many times to let 0:09 slide bro😭. *through strength I gain power*

  • @OrdinaryInspiration
    @OrdinaryInspiration 2 роки тому +2

    In the beginning you skipped a rule of the sith mantra:
    "Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The force shall set me free."
    Love the channel!

  • @jameslathem7349
    @jameslathem7349 2 роки тому +2

    I love how he used a pitcter of miraak

  • @gorky1986
    @gorky1986 2 роки тому +3

    Ajunta, Freedon, Exar, Marka, Ludo, nice names...

  • @shadowhenge7118
    @shadowhenge7118 2 роки тому +3

    The problem with the rule of two is obvious. If you manage to get rid of both (and not come up with a contrived way of recycling them) its possible to eliminate it entirely.

    • @8Smoker8
      @8Smoker8 2 роки тому

      Yeah it's just a plot device to justify "always two there are". It never made sense tbh.

    • @jakealter5504
      @jakealter5504 2 роки тому

      True but it’s much more difficult to find them

  • @TheHorreK2
    @TheHorreK2 2 роки тому +7

    They listed problems with the ancient sith are the reason why i love the concept of a morally "good" (light side) sith like in the SWTOR game, the sith warrior campaign in particular. Still a dark side user but acknowledging how idiotic and backwards many of the sith ways are and trying to change it from within

  • @MatthewHWise
    @MatthewHWise 2 роки тому +6

    The Sith undermine each other eventually no matter if it's the rule of two or before that, but it isn't the Sith in itself rather what Force they rely upon.
    The Dark Side plagues the Sith with power and eventually damnation, but what happens when they stop using the Dark Side for power and instead use the Light for Freedom.
    I think it would be an interesting concept for a Sith to use the Light Side of the Force rather than the Dark as their goal is freedom rather than power.
    It's an idea at least.

    • @marcialhd
      @marcialhd 2 роки тому +1

      Play SWTOR roll a Sith character and choose mostly lightside options (with some pragmatic darkside choices) and its very much what you are describing, a character that is fueled by their emotions (both positive and negative) but that remains in control of them (and not the other way around).

  • @Erikjust
    @Erikjust 2 роки тому +49

    I think they are both equally strong and each have their own weaknesses as you mentioned before the sith of old could NEVER defeat the Jedi, as each time one of them rose through the ranks the other one would stab them in the back.
    But the story about the rule of two masters destroying lots of Sith lore, illustrates the greatest weakness of the rule of two, namely that there are only ever two Siths in the galaxy.
    If both of them die well that´s it gone are the Sith forever, there is no one left to teach any aspiring Sith about the old ways.
    All the lore all the rituals and powers GONE, any would be Dark Side users would literally have to start from scratch and discover EVERYTHING for him/herself, and then you better PRAY that you find a good apprentice who can train another one of his/her own.
    Because otherwise all your discoveries puff gone as soon as you die.
    And yes you might leave records of your discoveries, but as ALL the people with an education will tell you, there is a HUGE difference between theoretic knowledge and practical knowledge.
    Ray in TLJ is actually a good example of this if Luke had died and his records merely said reach out... okay i reach out with my hand and nothing happens.. Well i´m stuck unless i make the connection that when Luke writes reach out he means with my mind, i won´t be able to go anywhere.
    So the rule of two allowed the Sith to rule the galaxy, but it also made them incredibly vulnerable, because if both where to die without leaving behind any apprentices with the full knowledge of the Sith they would die out.
    With an Empire yes you would grow weaker Siths but at the same time, Sith lore had a much greater chance of surviving and even a weak Sith would still be able to teach new apprentices what he/she had learned.

    • @lordoffaiyum9727
      @lordoffaiyum9727 Рік тому

      uhm holocorns and the fact is someone will always turn do to balance. Hello. clueless smh reborn

    • @Erikjust
      @Erikjust Рік тому +1

      @@lordoffaiyum9727 And do you know where ALL the sith Holocrons are?
      No so good luck finding them those that are still around and haven´t been destroyed or hidden in a place so secure you would have better luck breaking into Fort Knox then even getting CLOSE to those places.
      Also did EVERY Sith lord record his or her knowledge?
      I doubt it.
      And lets say you find some Sith Holocrons do they contain ALL the knowledge of the Siths no they are recordings and it could be something completely trivial like how to make a dark side crystal or some ancient sith prophecy about how the sith you die out in a shuttle explosion... which already happened.
      Well what if you already know that, that Holocron would basically be worthless to you.
      So yes someone can always fall to the dark side, but that doesn´t make them Sith.
      All the knowledge and secrets the Sith had learned up until that point would be lost.
      You would basically have to start from scratch.
      And that is the biggest weakness of the rule of two.
      All the knowledge of the sith concentrated in just one being.
      And if that being gets killed before he or she can teach an apprentice.
      Well that knowledge is gone.
      Some of it might be relearned in time, but other stuff would be gone forever.

    • @NottherealLucifer
      @NottherealLucifer Рік тому +2

      The Sith literally defeated the Jedi multiple times, there was even an entire purge that left the galaxy with about as many Jedi as Sidious' purge did. This idea that Sith were constantly back stabbing 100% of the time is just false. The Sith had entire eras in which they worked together to defeat their enemies.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 5 місяців тому

      For the record the ancient sith came just as close to destroying the Jedi as sidious more than once.

  • @cbailey5635
    @cbailey5635 2 роки тому +2

    mirak at 4:03 hahahhaha

  • @givesrespect8788
    @givesrespect8788 Рік тому +1

    I've read the series like 5 times(favorite series ever) and that's always been what I've understood. I mean revan only made this statement cuz him and the other apprentice overthrew their master together. This lead revan to start saying there should always be only 1 master and 1 apprentice. But possibly bane added the extra zing of destroying all the sith besides 2.

  • @Sn0manX
    @Sn0manX 2 роки тому +1

    i see you have an intro now, good, good

  • @SFAJmz05
    @SFAJmz05 2 роки тому +58

    Although I love Sidious, it is hard to see a fight between him and Tenebrae or his other forms as Vitiate and Valkorion and not see Sidious reduced to a childlike apprentice. The shear power and magnitude of force ability of Vitiate is so supreme to what we know of Sidious. I'd like to think that he is the culmination of all the sith before him but he really isn't. So my vote goes to the older Lords and Darths.

    • @N8TheGreatG
      @N8TheGreatG 2 роки тому +10

      Well said! In fighting was a big issue but the sith of old make rule of 3 sith look like cowards! And the rule of 2 died on the death star I don't count Disney bullshit saga!

    • @vibechecktsundere4912
      @vibechecktsundere4912 2 роки тому +8

      What? I absolutely love Vitiate but Sidious is superior to him. Vitiate is still the 2nd most powerful of the Sith though but Palpatine truly was the culmination of the Sith

    • @mirtastan3l
      @mirtastan3l 2 роки тому +1

      Prime Valkorion is even weaker than Prime Plagueis, who is leagues behind from Prime Sidious.

    • @N8TheGreatG
      @N8TheGreatG 2 роки тому +10

      @@mirtastan3l what crack are you smoking? Vitiate was the most powerful sith lord period! Sidious or plagues could take vitiate together! Do you not know the power that vitiate had? He gave immortality to Darth scourge after his battle with lightside Revan. Revan when he was a sith our arguably who is more powerful than city as well now I would accept somebody say Insidious is more powerful than Revan but it would have been really close. Sidious wouldn't have been able to beat Darth Sion the lord of pain! The sith that couldn't die everytime he got cut down he willed his self back to life. Sidious was a powerful sith lord in his own way but more mental than physical. Not that I'm taking away how powerful he was but not compared to the old republic sith/ ancient Sith

    • @calvinbrimage9519
      @calvinbrimage9519 2 роки тому +8

      @@mirtastan3l Valkorion would destroy sidious in the blink of an eye. He was basically a God lol

  • @TrashPanda90914
    @TrashPanda90914 2 роки тому +68

    Nihilus is in a league of his own. Without a wound in the force to stop him he could potentially wipe out all life. He doesn't need fleets or armies and he makes other Sith look like a joke in comparison.

    • @SolusFather
      @SolusFather 2 роки тому +8

      Well said. Most powerful sith of all time.

    • @darthbaneshop8030
      @darthbaneshop8030 2 роки тому +9

      I would agree. Nihilus was too powerful, anyone that had the force near him was drained. If they make a show or movie of him it would be amazing.

    • @TrashPanda90914
      @TrashPanda90914 2 роки тому +2

      @@darthbaneshop8030 that would be awesome but he would be a hard character for disney to pull off imo. I have faith in favroni but they can only do so much to counteract the Darth Kennedy effect.

    • @TrashPanda90914
      @TrashPanda90914 2 роки тому +3

      @@darthbaneshop8030 like I think if he's written wrong he could come off as boring or one dimensional.

    • @RexOlafusVidulusMagnus
      @RexOlafusVidulusMagnus 2 роки тому

      @@SolusFather literally not the case in either continuity

  • @preistscott
    @preistscott 2 роки тому

    Amazing video! What is the background music for this?

  • @j-rod5930
    @j-rod5930 Рік тому +3

    You shouldn't just pick who's better on just their victories but also their failures. The modern Sith may have gained the galaxy but they also lost said galaxy only decades later not even a full lifetime. On top of that only having 2 Sith is also dangerous for the Sith order as a whole. If both the master and the apprentice died even by an unforseen accident thats it for the order. The ancient Sith may have problems with infighting but at least their numerous enough to survive and rebuild when they lose.

  • @merihimsolomon2331
    @merihimsolomon2331 2 роки тому

    That content has me thinking

  • @jaredquinney204
    @jaredquinney204 Рік тому

    What an interesting video

  • @RogueCBR
    @RogueCBR 2 роки тому +4

    Those in the old with order are definitely more battle hardened. They had to contest against the Jedi as well as their Sith brethren. I view it as a shotgun versus a rifle. Both have merit and can do the job. The rifle has more direct power though in the end as it is more focused.

  • @danjordan1
    @danjordan1 2 роки тому +15

    I AM THE SITH

    • @taw1967
      @taw1967 2 роки тому +6

      Yes you are, my apprentice.
      Now fetch me a pizza or it’s force lightening for you!

    • @ugoeze7360
      @ugoeze7360 2 роки тому +1

      I thought you were The Senate

  • @Metal_Screamer
    @Metal_Screamer 2 роки тому +1

    3:59 That’s a picture of Miraak from Skyrim. I mean it’s a cool picture, but idk how it makes any sense in a Star Wars video.

  • @javi8905
    @javi8905 2 роки тому

    Jeez the part where u spoke about how the total jedi left could be counted on your finger with the music was extremely intense. It felt like u were telling a story of how the light was almost destroyed utterly and totally like it came that fuckin close to the edge is wild

  • @Phantom-x936x
    @Phantom-x936x 2 роки тому

    Been sub for a long time and love all your content, however I hate to inform you that you left out one of the most important parts of the creed. Power. However thanks for the years of awesome content.

  • @The_JediArchivist555
    @The_JediArchivist555 6 місяців тому

    0:11 through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory

  • @ethanparker4309
    @ethanparker4309 2 роки тому

    3:56 hey thats Miraak !

  • @Rex-The-Wolf
    @Rex-The-Wolf 2 роки тому +1

    Whats miraak doing in a star wars video, nice idea tho, i cant help but wonder whatll happen if magic users (psijic order, mages guild and their split leftovers, the worm cult, many knights and orders of the divines and other daedric cults aswell as the lesser daedra and the princes, star gazers of craglorn, hammerfell's order of the quill, the many redguard sword schools, can a shehai pierce and or resist a lightsaber? Could a jedi or a sith summon a shehai?, could the starwars galaxy posess the apolity to dominate magicka? Can this result in non force sensitives becoming more powerfull then force wielders? Oooohhhh so much fantasy!!! I love it!)
    (I can already imagine all daedric princes making forcewielders fall to the darkside intentionaly or unintentionaly, like molagbal likes domination and enslavement, malacath loves revenge, azura promites selfishness and selfnessless so shed be unintentionaly turning beings to the dark side, meridia the same, she is all about light and hating the undead, but her greed already corupts her folowers, sheogorath is obvious, i mean look at maul he went insane from tge darkness and the loss and the need for revenge, vaermina represents nightmares and bad omens but thrives on fear, jygalagg is basicaly domination but trough order, what did sidious do in the empire but withoud removing free will from everything, sanguine would be a huge supporter of spice use and other drugs, clavicus vile draws on greed and failure to colect souls, namira is fear and darkness and supports never being happy again and shes closer to the void than anything else exept sithis, boethiah would force the force users to embrace martial prowess, but i bet mandalorians would actualy like her when it comes to warrior respect, hircine im not sure but could be a supporter of alchemy to create beasts to hunt so could be i guess, mehunes dagon is about revolution and natural disasters, dark side users can create massive force storms and as we know like to topple the balance exept they crush the weak wich dagon seeks to elevate and then cast down wilst destroying the impossible to elevate weakest, nocturnal is a big mystery, shed play on the greed of the force user but thats all i think thall happen, mephala would relish in the secret murder the sith often uses in the rule of 2 era as the political maneuverung and the lies are also used by those sith often, i have a feeling that i forgot one of the princes, but the points made so not needed anyhoo)

  • @timb1094
    @timb1094 2 роки тому

    Who else noticed the dragonpriest art that just strangely got left without an explanation in a star wars video lol great vids just had to point that out

  • @irvingjotario3345
    @irvingjotario3345 2 роки тому +10

    Darth Revan inspired Darth Bane to create the Rule of Two which in a sense, the Ancient Sith paved the way for the rise of the Modern Sith, which ultimately culminated with Palpatine succeeded in wiping out the Jedi and turned the Republic into the Empire.

    • @maxxdahl6062
      @maxxdahl6062 2 роки тому +2

      But oddly, what he did required absolutely no sith training. It was his speaking and political ability. The rule of 2 is/was dumb if only for if a freak accident happens with both of them. Sith are wiped out without the jedi doing absolutely anything.

    • @tomm2037
      @tomm2037 2 роки тому

      Whhhasssssssst up sitha

    • @GayFishYe
      @GayFishYe 2 роки тому +1

      The Rule of Two was first teased by Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma, but it wasn't actually put into context until Revan, and then put into formal practice until Bane.

    • @TortillaBill
      @TortillaBill 2 роки тому +1

      It seems to me that you've read the books

    • @irvingjotario3345
      @irvingjotario3345 2 роки тому +2

      @@TortillaBill You got that right, because I have the LEGENDS Darth Bane Trilogy novels, Darth Plagueis novel, the TPM and ROTS novels, and almost everything else. 👍

  • @szyfryczarne166
    @szyfryczarne166 2 роки тому +1

    3:57 it is a picture of miraak, the evil dragonborn from skyrim, who got stuck i apocryphia, the dimension of herma mora, the deadric prince of hidden knowledge.
    I had no idea that those words are connected xDDD

  • @UltraInstinctShaggyNO.1
    @UltraInstinctShaggyNO.1 2 роки тому +19

    The antient sith without any doubt were far more powerful in my mind.
    Mostly because of the feats they managed to achieve, although they didn't manage to conquer the galaxy, I believe if famous antient sith were in the shoes of modern with such as palpatine, they would easily do the same if not better than palpatine did. I also think the antient jedi were far more powerful than modern jedi, as they were less clouded and had a much stronger affinity with the force compared to modern jedi. Which made them a harder opposition.

    • @darth_dan8886
      @darth_dan8886 2 роки тому +6

      While I would argue that it is the meticulous work of the generations of the Rule Of Two Sith that weakened the Jedi and the Republic, there is no denying that they themselves have grown weaker, lacking the challenge that used to demand overwhelming power.
      Yet, I also cannot say that the ancient Sith were not as successful, having ruled the galaxy or at least huge chunks of it a number of times, and having driven the Jedi to near-extinction just as often. I would even argue that the Ancient Sith rose stronger after their failures than what followed Sidious' Empire.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 5 місяців тому

      ​@@darth_dan8886the rule of two was a perversion of sith philosophy. The goal of being a sith was to become a literal unstoppable force of nature bending the universe, the force, and even reality to your will. That doesn't exactly go along with hiding in Shadows and manipulating others to fight for you.

  • @Demigod_3scrub
    @Demigod_3scrub 2 роки тому

    0:56 that Vader artwork is sick.

  • @thegoldenbox
    @thegoldenbox 2 роки тому

    Wow, noticed 9:12 is an illustration I made of Darth Vader in an infinite galaxy (on my DA)! Really cool that it was used here since I love these videos!

  • @Stay-xb9id
    @Stay-xb9id Рік тому +1

    The rule of 2 only worked because the jedi was use to peace and didn't even train to actually go against a dith or real opponent like jango fett or bane. Only certain jedi had the ability to survive or beat there opponents. Having only one battle master one planet to occupy. Snd being under the jurisdiction of the republic instead of the republic being under theres. Out of 10,000 jedi only like 300 was battle ready or tested and even less to adapt to military command. Now that i think about it, dooku said something similar.

  • @TheWaxonator
    @TheWaxonator 2 роки тому

    Does anyone know where the source of the picture at: 13:23 to13:31 is from? Which artist it's from and if it depicts any specific character, have tried reverse image searched and also general googling for about 30mins now, and i can't find anything, any help would be appreciated i really enjoy that art.

  • @zarroc1632
    @zarroc1632 Рік тому +2

    Dose this mean Anakin Skywalker could potentially summon force storms with red lightning😳🤨

  • @mrvwbug4423
    @mrvwbug4423 2 роки тому +5

    Theoretically Tenebrae was probably the most powerful sith to ever exist, assuming his ability to consume all life on a planet was directly through his own ability to wield the force, rather than through the use of Zildrog and the Gravestone. Based on the events on Ziost it's likely Tenebrae did learn how to destroy a planet with his power in the force alone as the Gravestone was not operational at that time. Sidious also probably learned how to transfer his essence between bodies from old sith holocrons that referenced Tenebrae and likely collected by Plagueis.

  • @rhysbooth4842
    @rhysbooth4842 2 роки тому

    3:56 that is mirak from the dragon born dlc in Skyrim

  • @jonathankennedy2073
    @jonathankennedy2073 2 роки тому

    So did anyone else notice that he shows a picture Miraak from Skyrim's dragon born dlc at 3:58?

  • @grandmyotismon
    @grandmyotismon 2 роки тому +1

    Using art of mirak while in approcratha? I recognize the outfit mirak wears in skyrim, the tendrils of hermas mora and his his library of books.

  • @coreyriegle1328
    @coreyriegle1328 2 роки тому

    The only thing I would add is that if I was counting "possibly"'s then I would count Windu also.

  • @nicholascollins7219
    @nicholascollins7219 Рік тому

    Would be interested of mine to see about ancient legends of Yedi history and other

  • @face4682
    @face4682 2 роки тому

    Great video!

  • @davidbaker6232
    @davidbaker6232 2 роки тому

    Actually there were many Jedi bastions that were still populated in the hundreds and still active across the galaxy most of which Palps. surprisingly didn't know about .

  • @ALC42069
    @ALC42069 2 роки тому +1

    Can’t manipulate a world eating god IMO but I get where he comes from with it. I think it’s more just the way the timeline played out and how they got some of the explanations done, but truly face to face, I don’t think any modern sith order would stand a chance in many situations against the sith of old. Man I would love some movies covering these timelines.

  • @MotionlessKnight
    @MotionlessKnight 2 роки тому

    Watching these videos makes me really hope they they finally break down and do a Knights of the Old Republic live-action trilogy or at least some semblance of a trilogy about Revan. Some of the pictures on this video, one in particular, makes me think that Keanu Reeves would back a bad ass Revan.

  • @bmonz808
    @bmonz808 2 роки тому

    3:57 image of Miraak from TES:Skyrim

  • @StealthyDead
    @StealthyDead 2 роки тому

    He forgot "Through strength I gain power."

  • @ZephrusPrime
    @ZephrusPrime 2 роки тому +6

    Kathleen Kennedy-"There was no lore and nothing to build our story from..."
    Everyone-🤔

  • @Cryanister
    @Cryanister 2 роки тому +1

    The problem was that no sith, except Darth Bane, actually honored the rule of two.
    If a sith apprentice became strong enough to kill their master, they would do it even via cunning and betrayal and always way before having learned all the things their master knew.
    And if a sith master realized that their apprentice was getting stronger and dangerous, they would withhold knowledge or kill them off before they actually became a threat.

  • @silvernexoknight
    @silvernexoknight 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome Vid

  • @nuniko117
    @nuniko117 Рік тому +1

    lol the pic like 4 minutes in is skyrim lol miraak in the world of apocrypha was not expecting to see that hehe

  • @davidchase9424
    @davidchase9424 Рік тому

    Dave Filoni should do "The Old Republic"/Hyper-Space War/Revan

  • @ItsFreeRealestate0
    @ItsFreeRealestate0 2 роки тому +1

    Was that Miraak I saw in there? 👀 God I hate what a nerd I am 😂

  • @ragingcyclone369
    @ragingcyclone369 2 роки тому

    Interesting conclusion and probably one that cannot truly be answered. Sort of like comparing the attitudes and mentalities of differing eras of the SW universe. It'll be interesting if the conclusion changes in a year or two since I do believe we aren't done with Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorian's daughter yet, and we know he feared her power enough to lock it up when she was a child. Vaylin could yet prove to be more powerful than all of them.

  • @bee2.0thelegendarysupersai69
    @bee2.0thelegendarysupersai69 2 роки тому

    2:29 Duh, duh, duh. Duh duh, duh duh! Duh! *epic guitar rift*
    BEAST WARS!

  • @ava-1536
    @ava-1536 2 роки тому

    Idk if this count to anything but another red force lightning user that I've seen was in the star wars force unleashed dlc when Luke Skywalker fell to the dark side to fight starkiller

  • @davmccar
    @davmccar 2 роки тому +2

    I want to hear more about Darth Gravin. The idea loan of trying to merge sith and Jedi ideologies is absurd, y'all say he went crazy trying to do so I said he was crazy beforehand. I want to hear his story.

    • @SolusFather
      @SolusFather 2 роки тому

      Tbh if the sith used the same system as the Jedi. The Jedi would 100% get stomped.

  • @JoniukasVader
    @JoniukasVader 2 роки тому +4

    ORDER 66

  • @baldrian22
    @baldrian22 2 роки тому

    in legends, it was also a third purge, atleast i think its considerd a purge but not that mutch of info about it done by the One sith some 120-130 years ABY

  • @calonarang7378
    @calonarang7378 2 роки тому

    It was Lord Mömen that reassured Darth Vader that he knew little of the Dark Side's Abilities.

  • @brandonmay3785
    @brandonmay3785 2 роки тому +2

    I think bane misunderstood the message revan left. Bane thought if there was only two than they would be more powerful with the force . I think what revan really meant was syths always seek more power and eventually try ruling, a lot of getting stabbed in the back and in fighting. Making the syth as a faction weaker . With there only being two they can focus all their energy on taking over the universe . With the Jedi their more principled and trained on certain beliefs. With the syth there were not the same principles in play. Causing civil wars between themselves . I think what palatine was doing with the disguisiters was smart . Basically making a syth army that could never oppose him because they were never taught like Vader was

  • @olysiparadox8886
    @olysiparadox8886 Рік тому

    @ 03:58:
    Darth Miraak

  • @jmanrique17
    @jmanrique17 2 роки тому

    Missed the power line for the sith mantra at the beginning

  • @ayiza8511
    @ayiza8511 2 роки тому

    Btw it was calic druma (did not spell it right) that was on trail kon came to rescue him

  • @drakerydenFalls
    @drakerydenFalls 2 роки тому

    “We as children compared to the old masters”

  • @ShadowGeek12
    @ShadowGeek12 2 роки тому

    I dont see sidious killing plagius in his sleep as him showing siths growing on power, just being more cunning

  • @DGNRBlade
    @DGNRBlade 2 роки тому

    Ay bro pretty sure that Miraak from Elder Scrolls at 3:58 lmao

  • @sirhenry9313
    @sirhenry9313 2 роки тому

    3:54 That....is Mirak....an evil man craving power, but not a Sith :D

  • @shadeirt
    @shadeirt 2 роки тому +2

    I still give it to the ancient sith while yes the infighting was very detrimental to them I believe if Revan would have fallen a 2nd time and after defeating malek he would have converted or killed the remaining jedi from the universe then with the star forge and his army he would have returned for viciatates throne.

  • @natedouglass5119
    @natedouglass5119 2 роки тому +8

    I really can't argue with much of your analysis. I would be curious to see what would happen if you included the Sith after Sidious. Does Caedus compete with Sidious? What about Krayt? Lost Tribe?

    • @theclown2483
      @theclown2483 2 роки тому

      Caedus doesnt really exist in canon anymore. Kylo Ren is supposed to be Darth Caedus.

    • @jakealter5504
      @jakealter5504 2 роки тому

      He was more like Vader. Hard to say with the lost tribe

    • @staarfinger7322
      @staarfinger7322 6 місяців тому

      Krayts rule is flawed due to everything being centered on one sith. If that one sith died everything falls

  • @miguelperez9906
    @miguelperez9906 2 роки тому

    Half of the galaxy for centuries vs the whole galaxy for less than a quarter of one.

  • @raylensmith4126
    @raylensmith4126 2 роки тому

    at 4:01 thats Miraak from skyrim

  • @edeyboy2931
    @edeyboy2931 7 місяців тому

    Bane's rule of two made the Sith much more interesting and left the individuals following him open to a far greater potential for power.

  • @SHARKVADERS
    @SHARKVADERS 2 роки тому +6

    NNNNNNOOOOOOO

  • @charlesgrissom3043
    @charlesgrissom3043 2 роки тому

    What if Master Windu had two purple double bladed Exar Kun lightsaber’s he would literally have been unstoppable in lightsaber combat. By anyone who isn’t a light sider who’s more powerful than Yoda, Luke or the Wills from any era. You should do a what if video.

  • @anthonyruiz1493
    @anthonyruiz1493 5 місяців тому

    Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength, Through strength I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.*

  • @derekrivard626
    @derekrivard626 2 роки тому

    Could we SF/Fantasy nerds agree finally among ourselves that the phrase “nigh invulnerable” be forever stricken from our vocabulary? It’s almost never true, and worse, it reminds me of The Tick so much I want shout “SPOOOOOOONNNN!!!

  • @criadordecurio4659
    @criadordecurio4659 Рік тому

    When i see sidious and anakin, i remember of qel droma and exar kun

  • @AngelusAnsell
    @AngelusAnsell Рік тому

    Anyone else notice that Revan tends to resemble Keanu Reeves whenever we see him without his mask, or is it just me?

  • @jjflamez
    @jjflamez 2 роки тому

    Video: talks about the clash of Darth Bane and the Brotherhood of Darkness
    The Jedi: Hey Hey Hey! I'm supposed to be in the spotlight!

  • @white_ninja9828
    @white_ninja9828 2 роки тому

    Did anyone else notice the picture of Miraak at 4:05? No? Just me?