The Real Reason Behind Anime Piracy
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Anime is heavily pirated, and today, we'll explore why, what causes it, and what its effects are. Does it really affect the industry like we're lead to believe?
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I am a small UA-cam creator, and I am not an expert. I can, however, provide insight into what piracy is, regardless of that. I hope you learned something with my video.
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Q: What about issues like region locking that cause people to pirate?
A: That is a big issue. I figured if I kept anime piracy in the scope of where I live it'd make things more narrow. We experience the same region locking here, but usually on different levels with smaller shows. But that is a massive deal.
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Your iq is below the subterranean of the ocean
I love netflix having over 300 anime available and region locking the majority of it. Thank you corporations
I didn't even think about region locking! Tried to keep it toward americans as an american, but thats such a good point. Hopefully something changes!
@@Saioren VPNs like Nord and Express can help with that.
Regionlocking is so ridiculous! Google is trying to stop me from using a VPN. I move my location to Canada and find out MiniPlayer YT isn’t supported. Why do companies even do this?! Why can’t they just market themselves globally?
@@Saioren it will make it expensive for them to get license for regions where demand and earnings are low otherwise why wouldn't thry wanna have more content everywhere to attract customers
VPN is a solution.
In the words of GabeN "piracy is not a pricing issue, it's a service issue".
You also have to take the "monetary loss from piracy" number with some scepticism, as these are usually calculated by the industry people with heavy bias. Back in the music piracy days they'd look at the amount of times a song was downloaded and calculate each of those as the loss of a full sale, which isn't reasonable.
Another problem with just going the official route is the abysmal state of the streaming services themselves. You can only get shows that they have distribution rights for in your area, and you can only get whatever version the streaming sites choose to give you. Most of the qol improvement in the actual usage of the site itself and the player itself had been a thing on piracy streaming sites for ages.
The problem is the industry itself, just like Hollywood, the hyper-focus on profits and payouts to the top of the top and the shareholders. The focus on quantity over quality, on product over art, etc. You'd think with the massive growth they have been having they'd be happy right? They could afford to pay workers better, give them better working conditions etc? Where does that money go do you think?
Illuminati infinite budget
In the words of anime viewers, "Give us every anime ever made for under $10 a month, or we'll pirate." Sounds like a pricing issue to me. Regional accessibility is a genuine service issue, but a good 30-40% of pirate streaming site traffic comes from the US and Japan, which don't lack for legal options.
@@Zalis116That’s because the legal services don’t have all the anime I want to watch and I also don’t like the legal service experience. I’ve been burned by them a few times. Like wanting to rewatch Inuyasha because it’s on Netflix, but then rage quitting when Netflix didn’t renew the music license. All the music in the series is gone. Replaced by one of the OST instead. The music was a major reason I wanted to rewatch. That was one of the best parts of Inuyasha. Or CR crashing on the weekend so many times I eventually said never again. Dropped CR. I prefer older anime anyway and CR was mostly only modern 2010-present anime. Then there’s the issue of the anime being split between services making you feel like you have to subscribe to all of them to truly play the legal game.
The seas are just a better experience and kinda a necessity to be an anime fan. Eventually, fans will come on a series they can’t access through legal routes. I much prefer buying Blu-ray’s and merch of my favorite series to paying these streaming services. Although, when I did pay for anime streaming services, I liked HiDive, Hulu (before the site got gutted), and Netflix. HiDive was number 1 for me. Even then, somehow I always found myself preferring the seas. The legal routes were just never as convenient for me as they might’ve been for others. There was always something that would come up. A show wasn’t available. I couldn’t switch between subs or dubs. I hated the player. I didn’t care about the particular anime titles offered.
Don't you love it when business go Public. The fact that an economist was telling Ubisoft it needs convert back to a private business if it wants to survive should be telling. This would require Ubisoft as a company to buy back all it's shares from the shareholders if not a majority of shares so shareholders no longer have a say over business.
When a business goes public it makes shares of the company publicly available for trade/sale among society as a whole. Forfeiting the status of a Private Business. Mind you not all large business are public, if the majority of shares are owned by the owner, and the owner still has say/control of the business Valve is a good example of this where Gaben owns a majority of the business and governs Valve privately, it's still technically private, and most of the rest of the shares are owned by fellow employees to boot, despite being technically a Corporation with multiple owners, it's still privately owned functionally.
However if the majority of shares are owned by people outside the company, the CEO, Boss, original Owner/Owners are subjugated by the Shareholders. This is often when business become a cancer that must "GROW" to make Shareholders happy. These Shareholders expect the value of the stocks to rise, every single year. That's the point of investing. At this point it's hard to call it a Private Business. CEO is selected by a board that represents the Shareholder's interest (kind of like a Government/State), decisions are made by the CEO who is representing that board, and must represent that board as they can be deposed in a heartbeat if the board decides. At this point Business are not really privately owned, they're private only in the sense they're not owned by the State, but they're still owned by a wide range of society, function like a public entity, and no private individuals have real power within the business as hundreds and sometimes thousands of shareholders hold the power.. CEOs and other Executives operate with the Shareholder's blessing. Kind of like Presidents and Senators operating with 'our' blessing.
There is no choice. For example in Poland there is no streaming service with anime. Crunchyroll exists but without Polish subtitles. And you can have subs only if you pirate it. There is no other way
I've pirated for almost 2 decades and I think that's the sole reason why I've saved so much money in my life. Hundreds of thousands of dollars saved.
u rich boi
one subsripition is not thousands
The sad part is that, you don’t even get full access for the service that you pay for.
@@yirehyoon6316$15 a month = $180 a year. After 6 years it adds up to $1080.
One thing to consider is the age of a lot of anme viewers... A lot of people that watch are actually pretty young and don't have the finances to pay for a subscription and a lot are like twelve years old and are finding it online without their parents permission.
Source: You made it up
@@Talon97No they didn't. Even with a large adult following, the main audience for anime are teenagers.
@@Talon97 Not really. I think the majority of us started watching anime as a kid. Even now, the majority of anime is targeted towards kids/teenagers.
@@Talon97 No. I can speak from my own experience. I NEVER watched almost any piece of media in general on a streaming website (except for 2-3 movies on Netflix).
Theres netfilx jail, crunchyroll constantly censuring and banning shit, region locking, Im not paing for that man.
What anime has CR actually censored themselves? They stream the materials they get from the Japanese content owners, which are the same censored versions that air on Japanese TV.
@@Zalis116 womp womp
@@Lenevor Thank you for the completely meaningless response that doesn't disprove or even address anything I've said.
@@Zalis116 iirc Tokyo Revengers got censored by them? Can't think of any other examples off the top of my head but I thinkk that was one of them.
@@-ponysparkle3-480 If you're talking about the manji/swastika editing controversy, that appears to be a case where the Japanese side prepared an "international version" for overseas streaming sites, similar to OniMai. Muse-Asia also streamed the same altered version of Tokyo Revengers.
From someone who grew up in Northern Europe, the issue with anime was and is not only lack of availability but also poor quality of the products officially brought to us. This has been an issue with even western media, where the quality of the streams or blurays and dvds was/is sub-par, often also with horrid localizations or subtitles. So a lot of the time we receive the product super late if at all, and when we do, it is much worse in quality compared to fan provided piracy options. Also, licensing prevented us from getting tons of classic shows, with the entire Funimation catalogue , for example, being entirely out of reach officially until a year or two ago.
Sadly, it is also a negative feedback loop, with poor products selling worse, therefore making the rights holders hesitant to put any effort in future releases.
That's a good point. I don't want to call it a lost cause yet, but the industry needs a lot of work!
WTF are you talking about about? Europe was getting anime titles only Americans could dream about back in the day. In fact if you grew up in Europe or Latin America in the 70s you had nothing but anime.
@@gloriathomas3245 In the 70's maybe sure, but 90's and 00's especially were a barren wasteland in terms of anime. We got the occasional series on some random channel at some random time, but the only thing that was easily available was Pokémon and maybe Digimon for a little bit. The turn of the millennium was a lowpoint in the interest and availability of anime, at least in Northern Europe. And remember, even if Spain or France got some series for example, that doesn't mean every European country got them, especially the smaller ones.
@@gloriathomas3245maybe once, nowadays it's becoming the opposite in some case...
@@gloriathomas3245Bro what drugs are you on? Anime was unheard of over here in Scandinavia (northern europe), we barely have any merchandise and almost all anime is region-locked. It sucks.
Your analysis of why people are "choosing piracy" is incomplete because it ignores an as-of-yet unquantified but largely underestimated part of the fandom.
You should wonder where most of the piracy is coming from nowadays, thanks to the reach of internet. Anime is HUGE in Asia, South America and Africa as well, btw, and these regions may very well be weighting much more heavily in the balance than most people think. What percentage of the world population do you think these zones represent? What percentage of anime's target audience (young people) do these regions contain?
You should also consider :
- what is the relative cost of these subscriptions (in USD or euros) given the local GDPs,
- the level of access to online payment solutions *ACCEPTED* (very important!) by the big online platforms
- the severe geofencing that has been historically put in place for online services in general, often making the extra cost of a VPN service a must for those who are willing to go "legal"
You could also add in the total absence of derivative merchandise on the local markets, but that's peripheral to the issue of online piracy.
Factoring in these facts, you may very well get a totally different picture than what you imagine.
Piracy now is literally better than crunchyroll now that they deleted comments and are gonna start using ai subtitles
Agreed man. Even me a man with lots of money I can spend, I still have to use pirate sites just because shit isn’t available.
I am a lifetime pirate
Amen
Do what you want cuzz a pirate is free!
In my honest opinion people don't pirate out of malice they do it because of convenience
One piece being pirated so people can watch it without feeding greedy corporates is really fitting
Can I gat eap 1062 in dub. One piece
Without piracy only a few million people would watch anime . It's no longer a niche .
Due to their history and shady business practices, I will NEVER pay for or support CrunchyRoll. If another streaming service comes out that competes with it, then I will consider paying.
That won't happen and in streaming sphere ,monopoly is good imo so u don't need to have mutiple subscriptions. There was funimation which got merged with crunchyroll under Sony. There's still Hidive but with small library.
unfortunately no one will be able to give crynchyroll proper competition. it will just be an existing streaming service with a fraction of anime which take some animes as exclusives and basically force you to have multiple streaming subs if you wanna watch everything you wanna watch a season.
Let every anime be on the same site and make it cheap and available in developing nations too. Just like Coca Cola/ Pepsi can be purchased anywhere in the world.
I hope there will be more anime channels in UA-cam.
Channels like Muse Asia ans Ani-one doing God's Work. Its basically free and the most you can spend is membership that is way cheaper than streaming services.
you would still have to pay for it
@@briancathey498 Ani-one yes but still tho its fairy cheaper I think
You can not just calculate traffic of pirate sites and multiply it to Subscription cost of counterpart. Most of people won't bother watching it. Also there are ton of people who watch anime just because they got introduced via pirate sites. Conversion rate is also great. People buy subscription for crunchy roll or other platform after understanding value of catalogue which they would not have done if faced subscription first hand
Man, if only gogo had them all like you claimed. They mostly have what people look for, which are not the most obscure classics. Plus, something happened a few years ago that had them "reset" the site, losing most of the obscure gems they'd already managed to find. They're back at it though. Albeit a bit slowly, which is understandable (no one comments on them).
I heard kissanime also got taken down, but then got reinstated pretty quick. I guess with time gogoanime could definitely end up having all the shows, but they have a good amount now!
@@Saiorennone of the kissanime around are the same as the original.
Wait? So the site doesn’t have Kodocha anymore? I remember struggling to find that one years back. I was so happy when I found that site. I was still sad when I reached the end and found out I couldn’t watch the rest. The episodes never got fansubbed or they never got brought overseas.
Nah but crunchy roll is just making everything require crunchy roll premium I can only watch 2 seasons of an anime before having to spend money to watch the rest :/
The moment you need 3-5 subscriptions to still only get a fraction of what you're interested in, people stop giving a shit.
Gabe Newell once perfectly summed up that piracy first and foremost is due to availability problems.
I am from India, I am using Crunchyroll for 5 years at this point in time, last one year ago, I paid for the ultimate fan yearly subscription, in spite of paying it, the Crunchyroll indian catalogue does not worth it, not all of it are available, Naruto Shippuden is, but Naruto is not, JoJo 1,2,3 not 4&5, even part 1 re edition is available, we have all of Bleach, so you know but not TYBW, these specific reasons will make piracy the answer
In india watching anime in crunchyroll is like watching p*rn because you literally need a vpn to watch 😅
sorry guys, im broke as fuck
my netflix subscription ended
What happens if you pirate anime while living in japan tho? Then that'd be a different story probably since you could be arrested
forget know anime. pirate sites actually found some lost media shows. pirate sites get my respect as true fans. I mean really long lost shows. and black and white anime I grew up with.If they had a subscription or patreon or way to support the pirate site I would. unlike cruncyroll who take us for fools and remove shows and change translation as they like.
I know this is an american made video targeted to american viewers, but still, I'd like to share my Brazilian point of view on this.
Piracy in anything here was never a problem. Don't get me wrong, it IS a crime, it is illegal, but you can't help it when something is so overpriced and overtaxed that you need to decide to either buy food or buy an original media product. (also, the cops are more interested in the ones who actually share and produce pirated media than who consumes it).
Of course, pirating anime is not an exception. Indeed, before streaming, most of the people were already used to watch it through pirated websites because there weren't any official releases here, except for really popular shows like Dragon Ball or Naruto, these were broadcasted on tv, private or public.
Personally, I never spent a single cent in actually watching anime, most of them I watched through UA-cam (yep, on youtube) and on some websites. Except for movies, I did watched a couple of them at the theaters.
There was also a small period of time that one friend of mine decided to subscribe to Crunchyroll, and he shared his account with me and another friend. But, honestly, the only show I remember watching on his Crunchyroll was the first season of Spy x Family, nothing else interested me because I don't watch a ton of anime.
I "Pirate" anime becasue all of the streaming services suck ass and I don't always have the time to binge an anime so I will end up paying for multiple months AND have to watch ads.
I would rather buy stuff that directly supports the authors, animators and creators rather than filling the pockets of companies while the creators are over worked and under paid.
Now GogoAnime will go down because of you. I'll never forgive you for this.
You can use Aniwave as alternative
Yup its gone
@@maharghjoshi228it's not gone though,they just changed the name but everything's still there
1:35 What is wrong with your Audio😂
This is an opportunity for the industry. Ad supported streaming and more direct sales Could be answer. Exclusive content through direct sales also
Some anime not be avaliable for streaming in their country so they have to pirate in order to watch it.
i can find all of the anime i'm looking for...
...on my shelves haha
i haven't pirated a single thing in 23+ years. i was one of those tape traders you mention in the beginning of the video.
im from cyprus and the amount of region locked anime on netflix and even crunchyroll for us is huge, we also dont have disney+ , hulu, max and a bunch of other streaming sites. a show i love i will try and support through merch! Also thinking of starting and supporting through blurays to also preserve physical media with streaming sites becoming a reason some shows could get lost forever, which is something on my mind lately!
thank you 9anime
Because they provide a better service. faster download speeds and it's free. If a paid/subscription service can not provide that they don't deserve customers. That and Crunchyroll lost me when it tried to become a monopoly, and has also stripped the western anime Community of DVD/Blu-Ray releases. They even bought Rightstuff just so they could make sure fewer anime were released on Hard Media, as it was the best place to go. Unlike some, I actually liked buying anime I liked. Crunchyroll has made it VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS! As if they hate money.
I mean every anime Crunchyroll gets it's hands on never makes it to disk anymore. I'm still waiting for the Youjo Senki movie on Blu-ray. Waiting for the Apothecary Diaries as well. Crunchyroll is ruining anime in the west.
As a Indian, I've subscribed to Netflix, Crunchyroll, Amazon and Jio Cinema and yet sometimes I still have to visit a pirating site to watch a anime. Like Jio lied man, all that anime revolution stuff.
The funny part about that estimated loss of revenue due to piracy. Anime revenue wouldn't even reach near that number to begin with if it wasn't for pirated websites.. because that's where 90% of anime fans across the world came from (pirated sites). Ironic how piracy is what made anime even popular to begin with and now they are backstabbing the ones who helped them gain fame and popularity to begin with. While being dilutional enough to think that anime would be anywhere as popular as right now without pirating, let alone projecting that much revenue. 😮💨
I prefer the anime itself over the merchandise. I will by a series I like on dvd or blu-ray.
I prefer the anime itself over the merchandise. I will by a series I like on dvd or blu-ray.
I don't know about you bro but I'm an equal opportunity pirate. I'll pirate American TV shows too and movies. I haven't been to the movie theater in years. It's to the point that PlayStation sent me free tickets to into the spider verse and I didn't even use them I just pirated that bitch. I will say though with anime if I like the anime enough I'll buy the manga. I have all nine volumes of solo leveling in the entire Naruto collection.
I still believe anime companies should open up donation websites, and allow us to donate to individual animes - not everyone wants to pay for 10 streaming services and not everyone wants to fill their tiny apartment with junk
Also streaming services in my country sucks when it comes to anime, and you have to pay big bucks for a somewhat decent selection of it - it is so difficult and/or expensive to watch a specific anime in my country, even those that cash out on services still end up on pirating sites more often than you'd expect
Anime and Manga piracy is largely driven by a lack of availability and anybody who was in the business of doing fansubs would tell you. In fact it was through fansubs that I got most of Gundam fix before bandai did official releases.
Most of my favorites are shows from late 70 to early 2000 and most big streaming platforms just not hosting any shows from said era on their catalog, or even worse they region lock it.
Also since you mentioning Disney+, I'm happy that they had Macross series in their catalog, since Macross doesn't have much pressence compared to Gundam in the West, but to no anyone surprise, not all Macross series are available on Disney+, for example SDF Marcross and Macross Do You Remember Love? aren't available and both are absolute classic. Do you know why both series aren't available in Disney+? Basically back in the days Macross got localized to West under the name of Robotech, and the company who owns it, is the most frustating company to deal with (screw you Harmony Gold).
Merchandise is also pirated in a way as market is mostly full of cheap chinese knockoffs
My issues at the Pirates are now on UA-cam slinging new shows like the fresh cocaine on the street it’s frustrating you think UA-cam would take down these obvious junk channels and if it hasn’t been coined, I want to Coin junk channel
I will tell you the reason why i pirate is because i don't have the money to pay for it some people are just trying to get by with what they have
I love Anime, the reason why I don't buy Anime is because they are OUTRAGEOUS. I want to support them, but to EXPECT us to pay $80-130 sometimes for NOT even a full season(sometimes like 3-4 episodes) is the MOST ridiculous thing i've ever heard in my life. I used to buy them back in the day, first with VHS, and then with DVD, but once they started doing entire seasons/sagas for $40-50 and with how that is always the case for normal TV I just became unwilling to do that..
Yeah I get it's expensive to make anime, but if they have a TWELVE episode show, then you sell me a bluray for $40-50 and we'll talk! It is absolutely unfathomable to me that they think it is reasonable to charge someone the price of a full video game, for 4 episodes of a tv show.. I seriously don't understand where they decide these prices, especially when it costs them practically nothing for the disc packaging.. It's not like it comes with a figure or its some special edition.
I've just been watching on Aniwatch for a year and a half
I donate the cost of a yearly CR subscription to the dormitory project every year to make a point. I am not paying for DRM on principle. Give me the pure uncontaminated product and I will pay you.
I'm too poor to pay for subscriptions. I mean the only streaming service that lowered the price for my country to make it more viable choice for anyone was Amazon Prime Video, and yeah I bought only this one. Because it's much less expensive then Netflix or Crunchyroll or any other site really. I also have HBO that I am not really paying much for because I share it with my Father and the rest of Family. If there's an Anime I wanna watch there GREAT! I will watch it there! Still Most of The shows I'm watching aren't there are probably never will be. So I really just gotta pirate.
Also in my Childhood we had Dragon Ball in TV and some other Anime, but now there isn't a TV station that would give us any anime... So yeah I can't watch anime by just putting up a channel 3 in my TV.
i pay for the anime network on cable but most of the time they just dont have what i want to watch
GoGoAnime is the only place i can watch Pokemon in Japanese
I started watching anime by having a Crunchyroll subscription but I kept having this problem where they didn’t have the shows I wanted or they didn’t have all the seasons so I turned to pirating where I never have to worry about them not having the show I want to watch and they always have every season sub and dub
Like I want to pirate anime but I don’t want a virus
Yeah
I'm not paying a dime to Sony, Disney, or Netflix.
Until I have the option to get my anime directly from the source, I'm going to illegally download or watch on less than legal streaming sites.
Adding my perspective: Until recently it was not possible to watch most English anime dubs legally in Southeast Asia (outside of Netflix), with the regional fandom generally more into subs & vernacular dubs and the resulting lack of regional demand for EN dubs.
While the eastern expansion of Crunchyroll has indeed been a welcome positive development for dub watchers in these regions, gaps still exist: Sentai dubs are still legally unavailable, as do the Funi/CR-produced dubs of some anime (like Attack on Titan).
Orrrr, you could just torrent
Very high quality video dawg you need a couple million subs
Growth of anime viewers or otaku in general is largely atteibuted to these pirated sites where we got to learn what anime even is, and not just some cartoon.
These geographical restricted, lack of available "licensed" streaming platforms like crunchyroll and anime distributors are able to capitalise on that and can even think of making money is all thanks to those sites .
Not saying Anime piracy is right, but should make these animes available on youtube like muse asia have done, where some popular animes can only be available through premium, but for rest, just watch ads.
People still don't have a choice, literally no one is selling digital anime. They all just want money for nothing but a promise.
I find it funny that “pirates” are watching a pirate show (one peice) on a pirate website 😂
If there was a service that had bluray quality I would pay monthly especially for older series. My god I could stop buying hard drives.
Until the artists get paid what there worth and the investors and ceos stop pocketing all the money, people are gonna pirate.
Most of the anime which have dubs available on piracy sites does not have dub on these legit streaming services.
Here we re 10 year behind Case Closed, the last dub we had it in 2016 I honestly have come to realize if I wanna watch it I have to do it sub and choose a pirated website if I have to watch it. Literally leaves us with no choice but to watch it in streaming to see it and at least understand what they say!
Now with hidive gone, piracy is the only option for its exclusive.
thank for telling me how to pirate
not just anime, movies are also pirated.
*sees Bersker*
Monkey brain go, "ass"
also there is the localisation problem. while fansub do it as a passion project, some official localizations have people that hate the medium and its fanbase working on ot.
English-language fansubs don't exist for contemporary airing anime. The most-watched pirated versions are just straight rips of the official localizations, meaning that pirates are just looking for free stuff, not better subtitles.
Is that Ronald Reagan
I’ve always thought piracy was fine, but i still try to support the shows whenever i can lol
if there was an official site like any piracy site for like 2-5 dollars a month id buy it