Growing Up - and Dating - Around Bay Area Pimp Culture | What’s Pimpin’? Ep. 2
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- In a candid discussion with hosts Maddy Clifford, RyanNicole and Coco Peila, two hip-hop artists from San Francisco and Oakland, Dregs One (@Dregs_One) and Ian Kelly (@iankellyvevo703) share how growing up around pimping impacted their views of masculinity and relationships, and shaped the messages they now share in their music.
📖 Chapters:
00:00-6:35 Growing up around pimp culture
6:35-14:09 Why does pop culture glorify pimp culture?
14:09-24:44 “AOB” and how pimp culture impacts relationships
24:44-33:00 Unpacking pimp culture and abuse
33:00-44:36 Is pimp culture always exploitative?
44:36-57:26 How pimp culture shows up in hip-hop
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Women rappers and activists Maddy Clifford (a.k.a. @MaddyClifford), Coco Peila (@CocoPeila) and RyanNicole @MzRyanNicole) - known together as Still I Rise - are taking back the mic. Across three episodes, the hosts facilitate candid discussions about misogynoir and the disproportionate rates of violence Black women face, and how systemic racism and wealth inequality breed desperate conditions where pimp culture thrives. They also get deep, drawing from their personal experiences of moving through an Oakland rap scene that at times espouses both misogynistic and revolutionary ideals.
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Episode came out great thank yall for having me
Ayyyyye!! Thanks for sliding thru.
We love the gems you dropped folks
Also would love to hear from some folks who are actually “pimps” and “304’s” “sex workers” etc. I could only imagine with y’all bringing this level of mastery to the table it would be really great way to expand on the conversation.
This was a really good build. Love the different perspectives and I'm super excited about seeing what's next to come. Great work y'all!!!
Maybe if we start calling “game” what it is , coercion and manipulation, ppl will be able to see that the emotional abuse in that. Pimps are opportunist (no matter the industry)
period
I love this conversation!!! So many #micdrops amidst these brilliant folks. I’m still marinating on this idea of benevolence under the power dynamics of capitalism….bars
That middle school AOB culture was REAL lol That Early 2000s
DAMNZZZ. This might be my favorite one. I love the way everyone interrogated the topics. "Is there such a thing as a benevolent slave master? Or good cop." ~Coco Pelle (with the 3 points from downtown). I mean the gag. Also, Madlines, I caught that too... why when pimping is used to discuss any other structural inequity it's oppressive, but in its most literal and classical context it's GOOD? GTFOFH. This one had me rolling. And Dru Down's The Pimp of the Year had all of us wanting to pimp. (I was literally rapping this at 7 years old). Shots out to my internalized misogyny and misogynoir, am I right!? I definitely feel like I was groomed by Bay Area pimp culture through the music. I've had to fight tooth and nail to carve out a piece of Black queer feminist identity, like my life depended on it... and did.
Also what’s … “ predisposed to doing sex work” like ??
I wonder if he played this back and really listened to the things he was sayin
MY OLDEST BROTHER WAS A PIMP , I MEAN FOR REALZ.... IT ROLLED DOWN TO ALL OF US YOUNGER ONES, WHEN IT GOT TO ME I CHOSE TO DO SOME RESEARCH,,,I FOUND OUT THAT OUR FOREFATHERS IN ANCIENT AFRICAN TIMES HAD A SYSTEM CULTURE CALLED POLYGAMY,,,WHERE THE MAN COULD SUPPORT AND HAVE AS MANY WIVES AS HE COULD TRULY PROVIDE FOR....
African culture isn't a monolith. There's literally thousands of different customs and histories on the continent and to compare polygamy to pimping doesn't make sense because polygamy often requires that the MAN pays for all of his wives' housing, food, clothing and even sets aside savings for them. In fact, many women in polygamous relationships do not have jobs outside the home, but if they choose take on another job, they are able to keep their own income for themselves. There's no correlation.
Thank u for engaging in the convo.
Do you believe pimping and polygamy are synonymous?
@@MzRyanNicole THERE OPPOSITES, SO WHOEVER WANTS TO LIVE THE CULTURE, FEEL FREE, I LOVE POLYGAMY, WOMEN RULE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO WATCH THEM CREATE, WOMEN GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER, ONLY IN MISEDUCATED SYSTEMS ARE THEY JEALOUS AND ENVIOUS OF A MAN, THAT'S ONLY IN A MALE SUPREMACISTS SYSTEM LED BY LIE'S AND MAKE BELIEVE BULLSHIT, THE WOMAN IS THE FIRST CREATURE OF THE PLANETS SHE IS THE FIRST GOD 👑 OR GODDESS 👸🏿💥👸🏾👑,,, IT'S NOT LIKE THE RELIGIOUS DOGMA MAKES HER TO APPEAR, LOL THAT'S A JOKE....YU SEEM TO HAVE SOME OVER STANDING AND EDUCATION OUTSIDE OF THE BOX NORM THAT'S GREAT TO SEE WOMEN LIKE THAT WHO KNOWS WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE,💪🏿👊🏿👁️👍🏿✊🏿👌🏿✌🏿
@@MzRyanNicole I WASN'T RAISED TAUGHT TO ALLOW A WOMAN TO TAKE CARE OF ME , MOM AND POP'S DIDN'T PLAY THAT SHIT, WE WERE TAUGHT MEN ARE THE HUNTER PROVIDER NOT THAT A WOMAN CAN'T BE INDEPENDENT JUST THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE A MAN'S COMPLETE SUPPORT, THAT IS SHE MUST ALSO BE WORTHY OF BEING TREATED AS SUCH, DON'T GET ME WRONG I'VE EXPERIENCE THE PIMP REALM IT WAS AIGHT, BUT I CAN'T WAIT ON SOMEBODY TO BRING ME MONEY, I NEED MINE INSTANTLY, I'M JUST BUILT THAT WAY, HEY WHOEVER'S WIT IT DO YU , THIS GOD 💥🤴🏿✨ JUST NOT WIT IT, THAT BEING SAID ✌🏿 GODDESS 👸🏿💥👸🏾👑
41:47 Mad Lines The oppressor doesn’t always know why he is oppressing lol
Men talk about pimping as a way to navigate manhood. How manhood is about being cold and calculating
Cupcake no filling
Coco ain’t never heard of madams lol They got a whole show called All The Queens Men.
Madams aren't pimps
All functions of capitalism is exploitative, it depends on how people see it.
38:22 all capitalism is exploitative
NOW HERE IN THE U.S. OF A.... LET'S JUST SAY THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE MISEDUCATION OF POLYGAMY WILL HAVE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT AS A NEGATIVE THING THAT SYSTEM WAS FOR THE MOST PART TRULY A GREAT CULTURE, THAT'S WHY WE ARE ON EVERY PART OF THE GLOBE 🌎🌍....