Pascal and Rothman are on their last leg. And the look Feige gave Pascal is NOT the good look you want to see. Sure Sony can try to blackmail Marvel. But the movie deal was made by Sony in desperation and as a sign that all is not well. IF they try to bust the Mouse's moneymaker, you have to remember that Marvel/Disney can take the loss while Sony can't. The tide is against Sony Pictures. They fuck this up and Rothman and Pascal WILL be fired. New management isn't buying their BS.
I'm convinced they only got into this business to troll genre fans. They have no business sense and they're obsessed with their own weird agendas. Rothman with his event films and Pascal with her misguided attempts at feminism
What surprises me is that Kevin hasn't clarified anything after this interview and its been two days, something is going on right now between Sony and Marvel
I think he's waiting for a full statement of clarification, and a rollout of intentions at Comicon. Also, since Fantastic Four rights holder Fox has had two or three Xmen series in development on television, and had to renegotiate their deal with Disney to get them to allow them to move into television with that movie license, I'm thinking there will be a Fantastic Four deal announced sometime soon with Disney. The FF are a radioactive property right now, so Disney is probably waiting for some of that poison to clear out of the room before making that announcement.
Hopefully Kevin Feige and Bob Iger are having themselves a little powow right now about how to get Sony out of the picture entirely and just get the full rights to Spiderman rather than have to work with Sony and deal with their bullshit redtape meddling and side dealing. I can only hope some sort of major coup/blindside is coming from the Disney/Marvel camp.
I am ready to bet that there is current a lot going on behind the scenes. We will have to wait to what agreement they will come in the end. All in all, this might be a good thing. Sony could have gotten away with making those movies and leaving it up in the air if they are in the MCU or not. But now that she claimed that they are, it would be a clear infringement on Marvel's rights. The Disney lawyers would have a field day with this.
And seeing as how Sony's past attempts to make a cinematic universe have failed miserably(examples: Ghost busters 2016 and the Amazing Spider Man Films) I doubt sony will ever get their filthy hands on another Marvel property ever again
Rick Harding not really no. The whole film was pretty much a complete insult to the fans and Ghostbusters in general. But Leslie Jones character was so bad it's scares me, but to be fair there were a few good scary parts in the 1984 one. But if you liked it good for you. I disagree but respect your opinion
I think they should put Venom in the next film, along with the Sandman, Hobgoblin, Mary Jane Watson, a case of plot-dependent amnesia, and a kitchen sink. What could possibly go wrong?
Yeah honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to use "Venom" as a bargaining chip on negotiating an extension of the Spidey sharing deal. Otherwise, it could be another Fant4stic, albeit with less behind-the-scenes drama and issues. Perhaps Marvel reluctantly agrees to allow Venom, Black Cat, etc into the MCU, in exchange for an extension of the deal and expanding it in other ways, and perhaps being able to basically take over any solo Spidey flicks made.
Amy never said anything about the MCU in her comments. She said the world they are making for Peter Parker. So I really lean towards the worse case scenario. Marvel sets up the Tom Holland Spider-man for success then Sony throws him into their universe when the contract is up. Then they won't have to share profits with Marvel. So while the Sony Spider Verse is not part of the MCU they can use Tom Holland like it is. Sort of like a reboot using the same actor (Ghost Rider Spirits of Vengeance.) Or Marvel's Incredible Hulk movie, to Ang Lee's Hulk. Ang's Hulk ended with Banner in South America. Marvel's Incredible Hulk starts out with Banner in South America. While not in the same universe it could be interpreted as such.
I think that is what Sony is hoping for too. Have Tom Hollands Spider-Man get to be popular first in the MCU with 5 films and then take him back and put him in their own universe. Another theory is that Sony wants Marvel to start developing more Spider-Man characters to use a leverage.. If Marvel introduces characters like Spider-Gwen, Spider-Woman, Silk, Black Cat, Miles they will lose all of them if Sony doesn't renew the contract. Sony probably wants to be able to say "It should would be a waste if you couldn't use all of these supporting characters you set up."
"Bomb factory Sony Pictures" Man, there's a joke in there about Howard Stark secretly starting a film company during the war but I can't think of it...
Hey midnights edge, love your work!! Just wanted to hear your thoughts about the justice league rumors that it was reshot 3 times and is there gonna be another video about justice league coming soon? Thanks and keep up the great work!
Good update guys, I'm gonna be honest I am skeptical. I am hoping that vinciquerra is planning on selling the rights to marvel to get Sony financial stability or to make the deal indefinite with Marvel having full creative control with Sony simply sharing the profits. Vinciquerra is known for making difficult business decisions, but he is allegedly good to work with. Perhaps a follow up to talk about what his involvement could mean?
Andre hits another home run! Anything Amy Pascal touches turns to crap. Thus, the worst interpretation is the one most likely to be true. When this is all said and done, Marvel will have the rights to Spiderman. Sony is going to discover the hard way that without Feige's magic touch, they won't be able to make money on Spiderman.
Amy Pascal shouldn't be running a theater let alone a whole movie company. I think Amy Pascal made a huge gamble and power play. She waited until Feige and herself were in front of press and in the same room. Then she used the interview to segway into an ambush on Feige and Marvel. Feige wouldn't lose his cool and call out Amy in front of press like that. Thus making Amy believe that Venom was Sony's ace up their sleeve. Tom Holland being so young and impressionable, literally being thrown into the big leagues after one film, and probably was seduced by Sony to like the Venom idea, and making him an unwitting pawn. Feige would be forced to renegotiate everything.
Great explanation of the situation behind the scenes. But why would he renegotiate anything? Doesn't he have all the control on Marvel Studio's side of the deal? Sony can say whatever they want but Feige decides what comes and goes in the MCU. Why would an answer to the media determine the final decision?
Amy hoped that putting Feige on the spot would force him to allow Pascal's Planned Spider-Verse to be a part of the MCU or possibly create a PR problem by speaking out of turn and getting the fanbase rabid for Venom (and more importantly, Silver Sable and Black Cat) in the MCU. A very vindictive move on her part. He would either have to renegotiate behind the scenes for agreeing with her publicly or possibly harming his plans for spider-man by creating fan backlash, a petition and then his forced subsequent inclusion "spider-verse". Thankfully Feige handled it like a pro. Even though he looked goofy in the video, it detracted from the fact that Venom wouldn't be in the Spider-Man trilogy. He played a multi-billion dollar possum, and it worked. He has a ton of control, but Pascal is a snake in the grass. She thought she could get the upper hand, but instead she just looked like a jackass. Because for Feige and the MCU image is everything. All of his actor's play by the book. Same with the directors, or they go. Terrence Howard was a creatively liability, because he's not a team player and they chucked him. Feige has to maintain a flawless approach and execution or his castle of dreams falls apart. Feige let Amy play in his sandbox with Spider-Man and some of his friends and enemies, but Amy wanted to choose which ones, that doesn't work when you're playing in someone else's sandbox.
Jesus this business side is giving me a headache. If I'm the person in charge of this Sony-to-Marvel deal, I'd be pleased on having the deal on Kevin Fiege's proposal rather than our own ways (which in this case, Sony's proposal is all about MONEY MONEY and more MONEY). Play it smart, not play it safe. Sony played it safe by holding Marvel at hostage. Thus "could" backfire at them and Kevin Fiege would eventually pull off the deal by saying "Bye Sony, have a nice day and we'll be keep on making our own without having to relate ourselves to your own garbage company". Sony should just let Marvel to do their own thing and keep on reaping the money from it without having to "interfere" the whole situation. This would be a smart thing to do but knowing Sony's mindset, they'd end up choosing the latter. In the end, Marvel wins and Sony loses. What's the next step for 20th Century Fox on F4antastic Four?
"They can threaten Marvel with taking Spider-Man out of The MCU and putting him into their own Sony universe..." If I were Kevin, I'd be "okay. See you later." They have what, 15 MCU movies without even a mention of Spider-Man!?! I'd laugh right at Sony if they thought that'd be a threat.
Speedy Gunz not too mention 7 marvel television shows Agents of shield Agent carter daredevil Jessica Jones Luke cage iron fist the defenders and an two new marvel shows clock and dagger and the punisher
Speedy Gunz Yeah, they still have plenty of characters and teams not related to the X men, Fantastic Four or Spiderman that they can make movies and tv shows out of.
crankysmurf I don't trust Sony handling a goldfish. They'll probably argue over what temp. of water to put it and take the fish in and out of water killing it due to shock.
He was shoehorned at the orders of Sony execs. Sam Raimi did not want Venom in the movie. Marvel had nothing to do with it since Marvel Studios didn't exist at the time.
Sony's stupid. I mean, having Venom be a part of the MCU is better than not having him, but fundamentally, Venom isn't going to work, not unless it's pushed back even further. 'Sides, I've already stopped listening to Pascal and only trust Feige on this.
Kevin was like: WTF, woman! Shut up! That's not part of the deal! Amy was like: Keep talking, Amy. I gotta trick Marvel fans into watching Venom and Silver & Black. I gotta get Kevin and Marvel into a stronghold situation so they have no choice but to support our movies!
Any studio people watching this (and I know there must be some) ... What lesson have we learned? Announcing your shared universe plans before the first movie is out has the exact opposite effect that you hope for. It actually drives down interest. Go ahead and make your plans but keep that shit close to the vest.
It sounds more like Pascal is trying to trick fans into thinking these films are in the MCU when in actuality they're only going to have vague references to it. The one thing that I think it's really weird about this is that it seems unlikely that marvel would allow Sony to produce anything that would be considered canon in the MCU given their track record. As of right now the MCU is synonymous with quality, which is the antithesis of what Sony does. Although, the casting of Tom Hardy as venom and their pick for director actually do seem like something that Marvel Studios might do if they were producing the Venom movie.
Pascal's comments might be a lot less significant than a lot of people are making out. Consider for a moment 1976's 'Superman Vs. Spider-Man'. In it the characters live on the same world in the same universe. The Daily Planet and the Daily Bugle both exist. Lex Luther and Dr. Octopus both exist. Does that make Spidey exist in the DC Universe? Does that make Superman exist in the MCU? No. In effect there were versions of Spidey and Supes on an 'Earth Team-Up' Universe. Not that this is stated in Supes V Spidey. Just because Tom Holland's Spidey features in the Venom movie, doesn't make Venom exist in Marvel's Cinematic Universe. All Sony has to do is not contradict anything happening in the Disney owned universe and the audience will believe what they like. SO... The Marvel Cinematic Universe becomes an 'Earth Team-Up' Universe between Sony and Disney and the Venom movie will happen in Sony's own Sony Universe. Of course I could be wrong and Disney and Sony might have expanded their deal. Time will tell.
I trust nothing that comes out of Amy Pascal's mouth. When Feige or Marvel confirms this rumor then I'll believe there's a chance. Until then it's a rumor that can fade in the background like that *cringes* former Schumer Barbie movie idea. Hopefully, Barbie owners wise up and find a new studio to deal with. Hell, I'd take an avante guard Styx Barbie movie over any Sony version.
I do not care about any movie you make that is not connected to the Marvel Universe, Sony! You care about greed, I care about great movies, either work with Marvel and share, or cut the crap.
Seeing Kevin Feige's blatant surprise by her sudden announcement of this perfectly sums up the relationship Marvel & Sony have regarding their collaboration.
It's baffling to me how different Sony's video game and movie divisions are. Sony Interactive have basically rebuilt their once-tarnished reputation by showing that they 'get' what video gamers want and bringing useful funding/attention to projects like Shenmue 3 and Death Stranding. I hope that those rumours of the video game division taking over the film division is true. Maybe then we can get a great deal with Marvel. Given the Spiderman game coming out next year, I wonder if that could work into considerations.
Honestly I don't want these movies in the MCU for two reasons; it's not an original Marvel idea and Pascal & Rothman. When Marvel Studios announces a movie they take the time and care to find the right talent and it's a standout; I do not trust Sony's judgement for casting & director(Ghostbusters reboot). Also I do not want Pascal & Rothman in the MCU because they will tarnish the brand by rushing bs spinoff movies so they cash in on that Avengers money. These 2 are veterans at tarnishing franchises (Ghostbusters, Spider-Man, X-Men, Deadpool, Fantastic Four).
Spidey was 15 when dealt with Venom in Ultimate Spiderman. But I'd rather Spidey make a cameo then fight venom and win then and there. Plus I'd like symbiote invasion Avengers movie.
I like your best case scenario, it seems to imply that Sony isn't doomed after all. Who knows? New management may be able to get Sony back on track, sort out their Msrvel deal, get He-man going, make Dark Tower a viable franchise.Please!
You mentioned Silver and Black. That’s kind of interesting that Sony is working on that...Silver Sable is going to appear in Spider Man on PS4, and Black Cat will also be in the game but only through post release DLC
Venom and Carnage in a third trilogy? Only if Venom the main antagonist in the first and Carnage in a third movie of such trilogy, there has to be some time between them.
I'm not interested in a Venom movie that doesn't have the symbiote initially bond with Parker then turn to Brock. These are fundamental parts of the character.
I don't think they are approaching Venom as a villain to be defeated but a character they can headline. If you look at the landscape what all the Superhero movies lack is a good villain. If Sony were to monopoloize all the villain characters they'll have a strong position to assure they get into the MCU and Fox as well.
Maybe Pascal believes she can do something like Deadpool, using the Helicarriers as a nod to Cap America...just on a grander scale, tricking the audience to give a feel of MCU...not sure what the lawyers would say to such a stunt though^^ Anyway, why should we care fora Venom solomovie again? Still not seeing the point in that character being interesting on its own...its the look I guess?
Vox Draconia The lawyers would sue, in Deadpool the hellicarrier was redesigned heavilly (originallt it looved VERY similar to the ones in WD) in fear of Marvel sueing them You don't want to mess with the MouseLawyers, they will shred anyone
If Fox Studios did one thing right in the past couple of years, it was putting out 2 very good Rated-R comic book movies. I'm thinking that the other studios, in their attempt to do the same, will get it all wrong and put out absolute dogshit. Boy, I hope I'm wrong.
Although I sympathize with the notion that the Venom card should not be played in the initial stage of the game, it's simply incorrect as there aren't really any characters that can support a Spider-Man universe aside from him, with the possible but not too promising exception of Silver Sable, who I would argue is even more suited to a later introduction than even Venom.
I am from the future to bring up how *_Venom_* had turned out: Box-office terms, it has so far grossed $200 million, even breaking October records, but the critical receptions have been negative, with many criticizing the tone and script, but has praised Tom Hardy's performance. The film has also ultimately received a PG-13 rating, despite previous claims that it would be R-rated.
I think this just a desperate move from Amy (and Sony) to keep the MCU connection/contract going. And the situation could be similar to the Marvel movies & TV shows, in which the tv shows acknowledged the movies but the movies seem to ignored them. **But if Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige are able to get involved with the Venom movies, we could have the movie we always wanted plus a rated R MCU movie.
I really want them to hold off on Venom until we get the symbeot introduced in a Spider-Man movie first. It would feel a lot less rushed. That being said, if we they are just going to jump into it, it might as well be in the MCU and not cut off from Spider-Man completely. Plus, who doesn't want to see a R-rated MCU movie?
I am glad that Kevin lightened up on not having rated R movies in the Marvel Universe. There is no way Deadpool (Yeah I know, a Fox movie) would have worked in a PG-13 universe, so Marvel now can use far more content they couldn't before. However I hope that people won't be fooled into believing Rated R means instant hit. All rated R means is that they have more leg room for content they couldn't do before with PG-13
6:03 Punisher War Zone was released under marvel Studio banner back in 2008, but has since been retconned out of continuity, probably because it was a flop best forgotten. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher:_War_Zone
I've never liked these spin offs on conceptual level. They haven't even established anything to do with Venom and the symbiote yet here comes a movie. Same goes for Sable and Black.
Pascal never explicitly said that those films are in the MCU, she just said that the films are "adjuncts" of the Peter Parker story and that Tom Holland "might" be in those films. Personally I think she's playing it very politically by not saying anything too specific, giving the impression these films are MCU but are actually they're own thing just to get fans on side. I'm kind of surprised Disney don't just use their billions of dollars from Marvel and Star Wars to just buy the rights from Sony outright.
I personally think Pascal said that in order to try and put Sony in a better position to negotiate an extension of the deal. I highly doubt she or Rothman would risk yanking Spidey out of the MCU, especially since the new CEO probably won't want to sabotage Sony Pictures' most bankable property. Besides, while Sony may still control Spidey, the MCU's got such a long track record of quality and success, while Sony has been limping along for quite some time. In terms of outcomes, I think there's two scenarios that would be plausible: --Scenario #1 would play out similarly to your Good Scenario. "Venom" and "Silver & Black" end up being added to the MCU, in exchange for increased rights and benefits for the MCU when it comes to Spidey himself. The non-Spidey Sony MCU flicks' connections to the greater franchise could be less established and more of a "marching to the beat of their own drummer" thing like what Fox did with "Deadpool" and "Logan," but the solo Spidey flicks would be increasingly in Marvel's hands, and Feige could have some creative input on Sony MCU non-Spidey flicks. --Scenario #2 would involve a massive buyout of the Spidey rights altogether, or a huge cut of the box office profits on future solo Spidey flicks being shared. Considering that Sony Pictures has long been hurting, if another company is interested in a merger (CBS has been speculated before), they may want Sony to start slimming down.
as a Spider-Man fan (but not a fan of Venom), I'm going to wait and see how Spider-Man Homecoming is first, then we'll see. I just hope that they won't wimp out and make him an "anti-hero" (as if such a thing exists), and just make him an entertaining villain.
I feel like perhaps the Jackal/Clone Conspiracy story arc could be utilised to fix the issue if both Sony and MCU wanted to have the character in their separate universe's, taking the story in separate directions. I am a HUGE Scarlet Spider fan so I would LOVE to have the Scarlet Spider in the MCU. - I know it's never gonna happen but damn I want it to so bad! - I just feel like if Sony weren't so greedy/impatient there are SOOOOO many spiderman related spin off characters that could get solo films/franchises later down the line. It's understandable that Marvel don't want to do this just yet, but I am SURE they would be willing to later down the line if Sony would just play ball and be patient, especially if it was proven to be very financially lucrative to both companies! Sorry I am ranting and raving so much, but Spiderman in MCU has, or rather had, so many expansive possibilities, before Sony started showing their true greedy impatient colours. Spiderman 2099 Scarlet Spider Agent Venom Iron Spider (in the cartoons Iron Spider is Amadeus Cho, a completely separate character) Miles Morales Spiderman
Didn't Spider-Man get his black suit when he was a teenager? The Spectacular-Spider-Man animated show did a great job with Vemon with its teenage Spider-Man.
I have to disagree slightly that venom should be for an older spider-man. Ultimate spider-man comics and spectacular Spider-Man animated series did a great job pairing a younger spider-man against venom with two different, yet effective approaches. However I would understand delaying the character to for a spider-man film that features the sinister six, I think that is a situation where a DC approach of introducing characters not established in previous films, might actually be more effective.
I think its great to have Sony's Venom in the MCU. It would feel less lawyer convoluted. I'd prefer if Marvel just take Spiderman and Venom away from Sony instead, but what can you do.
SimplyMasonZero I hope Kevin & Marvel Studios are able to get involved with Venom. Saving him from Sony and giving us the movie and character we always wanted.
I want both Venom AND Carnage (as I am a HUGE Carnage fan) to be in the MCU, but NOT if Sony is making them. 'Maybe' if it were a Spiderman: Homecoming situation where Marvel was basically making all the creative decisions and it was a well thought out plot that fit into the MCU then maybe they could make it alongside Sony, however Sony making it on their own would make me completely disinterested, whether or not it was supposedly in the MCU as I have ZERO faith in Sony making a Venom/Carnage film faithful to the characters. I feel like the third in this Homecoming trillogy could be Sinister Six leading Spiderman to be overwhelmed and having to rely on the Black Symbiote suit, with the ending of the film hinting at the fact that he's starting to become a darker Spiderman. Then Spiderman 4 can be him battling with inner demons/tearing the suit off and it latching onto Eddie Brock and becoming Venom and then Spiderman 5 being Carnage (maybe having Venom start to become more of an anti hero than a villain, helping Spiderman fight Venom, leading to Spiderman 6 a HUGE Spiderman MCU level event like Maximum Carnage (based on the comics, but with a few changes) in which we could see Venom becoming Anti-Venom in order to cure all the Carnage infected people! - Just an idea ;) :P - Although I also REALLY want eventually Peter Parker to pass the mantle of Spiderman over to Miles Morales in the MCU - I would LOVE to see Miles Morales as the MCU Spiderman later down the line! - Perhaps an alternative route would be to have Peter Parker being overwhelmed by the Sinister Six (led by Otto Octavious) and after spending most the film fighting valliantly defeating them but being too badly injured in the process and succumbing to his wounds, leading to the introduction of Miles Morales and his guilt over not helping when he could have and having him take up the mantle as he did in the Ultimate comics.
The MCU would ruin Carnage and probably base the character off of that garbage Ultimate version. I trust Sony more than I would trust Marvel with that character. Venom in Spider-Man 3 was more Raimi's fault than it was Sony's since Raimi didn't even want the character and symbiote in that movie in the first place.
Venom can't be a Threat to much of Spidey's other than his aunt as he has nothing worth threatening - besides Venom is more interesting as an anti-hero than a villain.
I wouldn't trust Rothman OR Pascal to stock a shelf in a supermarket. How anyone can put millions of dollars on the line based on their decision making capability is completely beyond me.
Marvel earned their cinematic universe over many years. Some recent movies like the Mummy have been so blatant and cynical in trying to do the same and failed because of it. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail with Spiderman. However, I doubt it.
I really agree with you that Venom/Carnage should be held off on until Peter is older. But Marvel and Sony are both on a huge kick that "SpIdEr-MaN iS aBoUt YoUtH!" so I doubt we'll see adult Peter Parker again any time soon.
I think Pascal was telling the truth, but might've said it to early and that's why Feige looked awkward during the interview. I also think that Venom will be treated like the Netflix shows. It will be in the MCU, but it will also have a darker tone and will only drop subtle references to the Marvel films every now and then (Aside from Spider-Man).
The movie didn't open in my part of the world until this weekend, and I fear the boat has gone for a review in this day and age. I will let you know my opinion of it in the next DC video though. (Spoiler: I loved it).
Regarding Venom versus Adult Spider-man --- Spider-man is going to be continually rebooted because the cycle is to introduce a Peter Parker High School males can identify with. Since Tom Holland has at most three movies, the third Movie will be young adult Peter Parker versus Venom, at the earliest 2021. Or Venom will have to face of with Highschool Spiderman.
Fucking "Glass Ceiling!" There was that one flick that was part of the New Hollywood movement that cost millions upon millions and bombed out... but Midnight's Edge, has there been any one passion project which has done even more damage that "Glass Ceiling" as one of the suits keeps chasing their dream movie in one form or another? Has there been one which has done damage even comparable?
A low budget, R-rated Venom movie, probably isn't that big a job. Same as Deadpool 2, which just started shooting, and we're much closer to its release than Venom's.
Pretty much decided that i will not support any Spider-Man project that Marvel is not directly involved in, and i will infact not support any Sony-movie.
What is with that photo? It looks like two parents watching their kid do something embarrassing and they both realized that was the best their kid will ever achieve.
I just love the look on Feige's face, it's like, *_"DA FUQ?!"_*
Jesus Christ, if Sony fuck over Marvel, I'll want Pascal, Rothman, and Arad to fire out of a cannon into a brick-wall.
a brick wall with big spikes, lol...
If I was hitman/mob boss I'd put those three at the top of my kill list just so they can stop ruining our entertainment.
If i was a mob boss, i would've put a hit on them. If i was a Hitman, i would do the the hit.
Sony won't be fucking over Marvel. Just fucking over themselves.
Brendan O'Keeffe Now that would be an film!
Pascal and Rothman are on their last leg. And the look Feige gave Pascal is NOT the good look you want to see. Sure Sony can try to blackmail Marvel. But the movie deal was made by Sony in desperation and as a sign that all is not well. IF they try to bust the Mouse's moneymaker, you have to remember that Marvel/Disney can take the loss while Sony can't. The tide is against Sony Pictures. They fuck this up and Rothman and Pascal WILL be fired. New management isn't buying their BS.
Rothman and Pascal better be fired because they ruin entertainment for everyone.
I'm convinced they only got into this business to troll genre fans. They have no business sense and they're obsessed with their own weird agendas. Rothman with his event films and Pascal with her misguided attempts at feminism
Crom Cthulhuson the same weird agendas marvel pushes in their comics
What surprises me is that Kevin hasn't clarified anything after this interview and its been two days, something is going on right now between Sony and Marvel
I think he's waiting for a full statement of clarification, and a rollout of intentions at Comicon. Also, since Fantastic Four rights holder Fox has had two or three Xmen series in development on television, and had to renegotiate their deal with Disney to get them to allow them to move into television with that movie license, I'm thinking there will be a Fantastic Four deal announced sometime soon with Disney. The FF are a radioactive property right now, so Disney is probably waiting for some of that poison to clear out of the room before making that announcement.
Nah. He'll wait a while before clarifying it. Such a statement so soon would be disastrous for Sony and I think Feige wants to keep things cordial.
That has me confused too, normally he's a good PR guy but he hasn't stepped to confirm or deny Pascal's comments.
Something is up.
Hopefully Kevin Feige and Bob Iger are having themselves a little powow right now about how to get Sony out of the picture entirely and just get the full rights to Spiderman rather than have to work with Sony and deal with their bullshit redtape meddling and side dealing. I can only hope some sort of major coup/blindside is coming from the Disney/Marvel camp.
I am ready to bet that there is current a lot going on behind the scenes. We will have to wait to what agreement they will come in the end. All in all, this might be a good thing. Sony could have gotten away with making those movies and leaving it up in the air if they are in the MCU or not. But now that she claimed that they are, it would be a clear infringement on Marvel's rights. The Disney lawyers would have a field day with this.
Yes! Ever since I heard about this, been waiting for the Midnight Edge video
Of course. If it's about Sony, the guys at Midnight's Edge will put their dick in it. LOL!
I wonder at how you can lose a ton of money for a compny, and still have a job.
Usually it has something to do with having dirt on the boss, having slept with the boss or being related to the boss.
JonUIUC If they fire her she will probably say it was because she's a woman.
@King Leo XVII
And if I were the boss of Sony my response would be "No it's because you're an idiot Amy."
JonUIUC hollywood is such an incestuous circle jerk, it's disgusting
JonUIUC these says it's considered misogyny if you fire a female
They don't need to make a Venom movie because Amy Pascal is already venom for Sony.
Bunny Rabbit Just like Avi Arad is to anything movie related to the spiderman franchise.
Thanks for the shout-out to HH!
- Grant
And seeing as how Sony's past attempts to make a cinematic universe have failed miserably(examples: Ghost busters 2016 and the Amazing Spider Man Films) I doubt sony will ever get their filthy hands on another Marvel property ever again
They made a mistake with Amazing Spider-Man, they should have never tried to make their own MCU out of it.
batfan76 Ghostbusters is mad underrated. It a lot better than the original in many ways
Rick Harding not really no. The whole film was pretty much a complete insult to the fans and Ghostbusters in general. But Leslie Jones character was so bad it's scares me, but to be fair there were a few good scary parts in the 1984 one. But if you liked it good for you. I disagree but respect your opinion
Rick Harding you must be smoking some pretty powerful shit, pass it on lol
Rick Harding You are so fucking dumb it hurts
let me guess: not viewing venom = more Spider-Man in mcu
why Sony
100% agree that Venom should be saved for another time. I personally don't think he should even have his own film, but he appeases the fanboys.
I think they should put Venom in the next film, along with the Sandman, Hobgoblin, Mary Jane Watson, a case of plot-dependent amnesia, and a kitchen sink.
What could possibly go wrong?
I was looking forward to what you had to say.
There is no way Venom is going to be out by October. More on this in the next Podcast, too!
Yeah honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to use "Venom" as a bargaining chip on negotiating an extension of the Spidey sharing deal. Otherwise, it could be another Fant4stic, albeit with less behind-the-scenes drama and issues. Perhaps Marvel reluctantly agrees to allow Venom, Black Cat, etc into the MCU, in exchange for an extension of the deal and expanding it in other ways, and perhaps being able to basically take over any solo Spidey flicks made.
when did they start production on it?
metasprite September 2017
Amy never said anything about the MCU in her comments. She said the world they are making for Peter Parker. So I really lean towards the worse case scenario. Marvel sets up the Tom Holland Spider-man for success then Sony throws him into their universe when the contract is up. Then they won't have to share profits with Marvel. So while the Sony Spider Verse is not part of the MCU they can use Tom Holland like it is.
Sort of like a reboot using the same actor (Ghost Rider Spirits of Vengeance.) Or Marvel's Incredible Hulk movie, to Ang Lee's Hulk. Ang's Hulk ended with Banner in South America. Marvel's Incredible Hulk starts out with Banner in South America. While not in the same universe it could be interpreted as such.
I think that is what Sony is hoping for too. Have Tom Hollands Spider-Man get to be popular first in the MCU with 5 films and then take him back and put him in their own universe.
Another theory is that Sony wants Marvel to start developing more Spider-Man characters to use a leverage.. If Marvel introduces characters like Spider-Gwen, Spider-Woman, Silk, Black Cat, Miles they will lose all of them if Sony doesn't renew the contract. Sony probably wants to be able to say "It should would be a waste if you couldn't use all of these supporting characters you set up."
"Bomb factory Sony Pictures"
Man, there's a joke in there about Howard Stark secretly starting a film company during the war but I can't think of it...
Hey midnights edge, love your work!! Just wanted to hear your thoughts about the justice league rumors that it was reshot 3 times and is there gonna be another video about justice league coming soon?
Thanks and keep up the great work!
shadi helf There is, JL vid coming soon. Thanks for the kind words!
Good update guys, I'm gonna be honest I am skeptical. I am hoping that vinciquerra is planning on selling the rights to marvel to get Sony financial stability or to make the deal indefinite with Marvel having full creative control with Sony simply sharing the profits. Vinciquerra is known for making difficult business decisions, but he is allegedly good to work with. Perhaps a follow up to talk about what his involvement could mean?
Midnight's Edge also, what are your thoughts of the directors dropping out of the Han Solo movie?
Andre hits another home run!
Anything Amy Pascal touches turns to crap. Thus, the worst interpretation is the one most likely to be true. When this is all said and done, Marvel will have the rights to Spiderman. Sony is going to discover the hard way that without Feige's magic touch, they won't be able to make money on Spiderman.
Amy Pascal shouldn't be running a theater let alone a whole movie company.
I think Amy Pascal made a huge gamble and power play.
She waited until Feige and herself were in front of press and in the same room. Then she used the interview to segway into an ambush on Feige and Marvel. Feige wouldn't lose his cool and call out Amy in front of press like that. Thus making Amy believe that Venom was Sony's ace up their sleeve. Tom Holland being so young and impressionable, literally being thrown into the big leagues after one film, and probably was seduced by Sony to like the Venom idea, and making him an unwitting pawn.
Feige would be forced to renegotiate everything.
Great explanation of the situation behind the scenes. But why would he renegotiate anything? Doesn't he have all the control on Marvel Studio's side of the deal? Sony can say whatever they want but Feige decides what comes and goes in the MCU. Why would an answer to the media determine the final decision?
Amy hoped that putting Feige on the spot would force him to allow Pascal's Planned Spider-Verse to be a part of the MCU or possibly create a PR problem by speaking out of turn and getting the fanbase rabid for Venom (and more importantly, Silver Sable and Black Cat) in the MCU. A very vindictive move on her part. He would either have to renegotiate behind the scenes for agreeing with her publicly or possibly harming his plans for spider-man by creating fan backlash, a petition and then his forced subsequent inclusion "spider-verse". Thankfully Feige handled it like a pro. Even though he looked goofy in the video, it detracted from the fact that Venom wouldn't be in the Spider-Man trilogy. He played a multi-billion dollar possum, and it worked.
He has a ton of control, but Pascal is a snake in the grass. She thought she could get the upper hand, but instead she just looked like a jackass.
Because for Feige and the MCU image is everything.
All of his actor's play by the book. Same with the directors, or they go. Terrence Howard was a creatively liability, because he's not a team player and they chucked him. Feige has to maintain a flawless approach and execution or his castle of dreams falls apart. Feige let Amy play in his sandbox with Spider-Man and some of his friends and enemies, but Amy wanted to choose which ones, that doesn't work when you're playing in someone else's sandbox.
Jesus this business side is giving me a headache. If I'm the person in charge of this Sony-to-Marvel deal, I'd be pleased on having the deal on Kevin Fiege's proposal rather than our own ways (which in this case, Sony's proposal is all about MONEY MONEY and more MONEY).
Play it smart, not play it safe. Sony played it safe by holding Marvel at hostage. Thus "could" backfire at them and Kevin Fiege would eventually pull off the deal by saying "Bye Sony, have a nice day and we'll be keep on making our own without having to relate ourselves to your own garbage company".
Sony should just let Marvel to do their own thing and keep on reaping the money from it without having to "interfere" the whole situation. This would be a smart thing to do but knowing Sony's mindset, they'd end up choosing the latter.
In the end, Marvel wins and Sony loses. What's the next step for 20th Century Fox on F4antastic Four?
"They can threaten Marvel with taking Spider-Man out of The MCU and putting him into their own Sony universe..." If I were Kevin, I'd be "okay. See you later." They have what, 15 MCU movies without even a mention of Spider-Man!?! I'd laugh right at Sony if they thought that'd be a threat.
Speedy Gunz not too mention 7 marvel television shows Agents of shield Agent carter daredevil Jessica Jones Luke cage iron fist the defenders and an two new marvel shows clock and dagger and the punisher
Speedy Gunz Yeah, they still have plenty of characters and teams not related to the X men, Fantastic Four or Spiderman that they can make movies and tv shows out of.
I don't trust Sony to deal with Venom, Black Cat, Silver Sable, or any Spidey-related IPs by themselves without Marvel overseeing production.
crankysmurf I don't trust Sony handling a goldfish. They'll probably argue over what temp. of water to put it and take the fish in and out of water killing it due to shock.
You really trust Marvel with Venom? LMAO. The only reason Venom was bad in SM3 is because he was shoehorned in at the last minute.
ericdxfan511 no thanks to avi arad, pascals fuckboy sidekick
That was avi arad not marvel he the reason that tasm was bad if you want blame someone it's him
He was shoehorned at the orders of Sony execs. Sam Raimi did not want Venom in the movie. Marvel had nothing to do with it since Marvel Studios didn't exist at the time.
i really hope you're right about them making a new deal
Isn't Sony pictures hanging by a thread? So far Sony hasn't had any blockbuster hits. Amy was the worst thing that has happened to Sony pictures.
Sony's stupid. I mean, having Venom be a part of the MCU is better than not having him, but fundamentally, Venom isn't going to work, not unless it's pushed back even further. 'Sides, I've already stopped listening to Pascal and only trust Feige on this.
Kevin was like: WTF, woman! Shut up! That's not part of the deal!
Amy was like: Keep talking, Amy. I gotta trick Marvel fans into watching Venom and Silver & Black. I gotta get Kevin and Marvel into a stronghold situation so they have no choice but to support our movies!
Any studio people watching this (and I know there must be some) ... What lesson have we learned? Announcing your shared universe plans before the first movie is out has the exact opposite effect that you hope for. It actually drives down interest. Go ahead and make your plans but keep that shit close to the vest.
It sounds more like Pascal is trying to trick fans into thinking these films are in the MCU when in actuality they're only going to have vague references to it. The one thing that I think it's really weird about this is that it seems unlikely that marvel would allow Sony to produce anything that would be considered canon in the MCU given their track record. As of right now the MCU is synonymous with quality, which is the antithesis of what Sony does. Although, the casting of Tom Hardy as venom and their pick for director actually do seem like something that Marvel Studios might do if they were producing the Venom movie.
"A ME video. Cool lets watch while i have a meal."
*First picture has Amy Pascal*
*Stop eating. Wonders if would be able to eat someday*
Pascal's comments might be a lot less significant than a lot of people are making out. Consider for a moment 1976's 'Superman Vs. Spider-Man'. In it the characters live on the same world in the same universe. The Daily Planet and the Daily Bugle both exist. Lex Luther and Dr. Octopus both exist. Does that make Spidey exist in the DC Universe? Does that make Superman exist in the MCU? No.
In effect there were versions of Spidey and Supes on an 'Earth Team-Up' Universe. Not that this is stated in Supes V Spidey.
Just because Tom Holland's Spidey features in the Venom movie, doesn't make Venom exist in Marvel's Cinematic Universe. All Sony has to do is not contradict anything happening in the Disney owned universe and the audience will believe what they like.
SO... The Marvel Cinematic Universe becomes an 'Earth Team-Up' Universe between Sony and Disney and the Venom movie will happen in Sony's own Sony Universe.
Of course I could be wrong and Disney and Sony might have expanded their deal. Time will tell.
Been waiting on midnight edge to cover this
I trust nothing that comes out of Amy Pascal's mouth. When Feige or Marvel confirms this rumor then I'll believe there's a chance. Until then it's a rumor that can fade in the background like that *cringes* former Schumer Barbie movie idea. Hopefully, Barbie owners wise up and find a new studio to deal with. Hell, I'd take an avante guard Styx Barbie movie over any Sony version.
I do not care about any movie you make that is not connected to the Marvel Universe, Sony! You care about greed, I care about great movies, either work with Marvel and share, or cut the crap.
I feel like Disney and Lucasfilm is probably up for some Midnight's edge treatment right now
Seeing Kevin Feige's blatant surprise by her sudden announcement of this perfectly sums up the relationship Marvel & Sony have regarding their collaboration.
Thank you soo much @Midnights Edge - love these videos you make - find them so interesting and informative! :)
It's baffling to me how different Sony's video game and movie divisions are. Sony Interactive have basically rebuilt their once-tarnished reputation by showing that they 'get' what video gamers want and bringing useful funding/attention to projects like Shenmue 3 and Death Stranding.
I hope that those rumours of the video game division taking over the film division is true. Maybe then we can get a great deal with Marvel. Given the Spiderman game coming out next year, I wonder if that could work into considerations.
Honestly I don't want these movies in the MCU for two reasons; it's not an original Marvel idea and Pascal & Rothman. When Marvel Studios announces a movie they take the time and care to find the right talent and it's a standout; I do not trust Sony's judgement for casting & director(Ghostbusters reboot). Also I do not want Pascal & Rothman in the MCU because they will tarnish the brand by rushing bs spinoff movies so they cash in on that Avengers money. These 2 are veterans at tarnishing franchises (Ghostbusters, Spider-Man, X-Men, Deadpool, Fantastic Four).
Sony is just a shady ass company with Rothman and Pascal. Feige looked soo uncomfortable in that interview lol
amy pascal sounds like a crazy person... i wouldn't trust that lady to make me a sandwich let alone manage a movie studio...
My cat could do a better job running Sony studios then she could.
REAL EYES OPEN I trust a 4 year old more that her
Spidey was 15 when dealt with Venom in Ultimate Spiderman. But I'd rather Spidey make a cameo then fight venom and win then and there. Plus I'd like symbiote invasion Avengers movie.
I like your best case scenario, it seems to imply that Sony isn't doomed after all. Who knows? New management may be able to get Sony back on track, sort out their Msrvel deal, get He-man going, make Dark Tower a viable franchise.Please!
Sony's delusional. The MCU has grossed over $11 billion dollars. The MCU doesn't need Spiderman; Spiderman needs the MCU.
If it's a deal that hasn't been finalised, Pascal announcing it publicly would have just given Feige all the negotiating power he'd ever want
You mentioned Silver and Black. That’s kind of interesting that Sony is working on that...Silver Sable is going to appear in Spider Man on PS4, and Black Cat will also be in the game but only through post release DLC
I'd say I'm skeptical, but it'd be more accurate to say I'm not buying it. I'm hoping for the good scenario though.
Venom and Carnage in a third trilogy? Only if Venom the main antagonist in the first and Carnage in a third movie of such trilogy, there has to be some time between them.
I'm not interested in a Venom movie that doesn't have the symbiote initially bond with Parker then turn to Brock. These are fundamental parts of the character.
I don't think they are approaching Venom as a villain to be defeated but a character they can headline. If you look at the landscape what all the Superhero movies lack is a good villain. If Sony were to monopoloize all the villain characters they'll have a strong position to assure they get into the MCU and Fox as well.
Maybe Pascal believes she can do something like Deadpool, using the Helicarriers as a nod to Cap America...just on a grander scale, tricking the audience to give a feel of MCU...not sure what the lawyers would say to such a stunt though^^
Anyway, why should we care fora Venom solomovie again? Still not seeing the point in that character being interesting on its own...its the look I guess?
Vox Draconia The lawyers would sue, in Deadpool the hellicarrier was redesigned heavilly (originallt it looved VERY similar to the ones in WD) in fear of Marvel sueing them
You don't want to mess with the MouseLawyers, they will shred anyone
It's cute that a female studio executive who makes roughly $3m a year uses the code name "glass ceiling" for her projects.....
If Fox Studios did one thing right in the past couple of years, it was putting out 2 very good Rated-R comic book movies. I'm thinking that the other studios, in their attempt to do the same, will get it all wrong and put out absolute dogshit. Boy, I hope I'm wrong.
A rushed into production comic book movie featuring an anti hero? Because that's worked so well over the years...
Although I sympathize with the notion that the Venom card should not be played in the initial stage of the game, it's simply incorrect as there aren't really any characters that can support a Spider-Man universe aside from him, with the possible but not too promising exception of Silver Sable, who I would argue is even more suited to a later introduction than even Venom.
I am from the future to bring up how *_Venom_* had turned out: Box-office terms, it has so far grossed $200 million, even breaking October records, but the critical receptions have been negative, with many criticizing the tone and script, but has praised Tom Hardy's performance. The film has also ultimately received a PG-13 rating, despite previous claims that it would be R-rated.
Bomb factory Sony Pictures... Too funny...
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I think this just a desperate move from Amy (and Sony) to keep the MCU connection/contract going. And the situation could be similar to the Marvel movies & TV shows, in which the tv shows acknowledged the movies but the movies seem to ignored them.
**But if Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige are able to get involved with the Venom movies, we could have the movie we always wanted plus a rated R MCU movie.
I really want them to hold off on Venom until we get the symbeot introduced in a Spider-Man movie first. It would feel a lot less rushed. That being said, if we they are just going to jump into it, it might as well be in the MCU and not cut off from Spider-Man completely. Plus, who doesn't want to see a R-rated MCU movie?
I am glad that Kevin lightened up on not having rated R movies in the Marvel Universe. There is no way Deadpool (Yeah I know, a Fox movie) would have worked in a PG-13 universe, so Marvel now can use far more content they couldn't before.
However I hope that people won't be fooled into believing Rated R means instant hit. All rated R means is that they have more leg room for content they couldn't do before with PG-13
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Punisher War Zone was released under marvel Studio banner back in 2008, but has since been retconned out of continuity, probably because it was a flop best forgotten.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher:_War_Zone
I've never liked these spin offs on conceptual level. They haven't even established anything to do with Venom and the symbiote yet here comes a movie. Same goes for Sable and Black.
Pascal never explicitly said that those films are in the MCU, she just said that the films are "adjuncts" of the Peter Parker story and that Tom Holland "might" be in those films. Personally I think she's playing it very politically by not saying anything too specific, giving the impression these films are MCU but are actually they're own thing just to get fans on side. I'm kind of surprised Disney don't just use their billions of dollars from Marvel and Star Wars to just buy the rights from Sony outright.
I personally think Pascal said that in order to try and put Sony in a better position to negotiate an extension of the deal. I highly doubt she or Rothman would risk yanking Spidey out of the MCU, especially since the new CEO probably won't want to sabotage Sony Pictures' most bankable property. Besides, while Sony may still control Spidey, the MCU's got such a long track record of quality and success, while Sony has been limping along for quite some time.
In terms of outcomes, I think there's two scenarios that would be plausible:
--Scenario #1 would play out similarly to your Good Scenario. "Venom" and "Silver & Black" end up being added to the MCU, in exchange for increased rights and benefits for the MCU when it comes to Spidey himself. The non-Spidey Sony MCU flicks' connections to the greater franchise could be less established and more of a "marching to the beat of their own drummer" thing like what Fox did with "Deadpool" and "Logan," but the solo Spidey flicks would be increasingly in Marvel's hands, and Feige could have some creative input on Sony MCU non-Spidey flicks.
--Scenario #2 would involve a massive buyout of the Spidey rights altogether, or a huge cut of the box office profits on future solo Spidey flicks being shared. Considering that Sony Pictures has long been hurting, if another company is interested in a merger (CBS has been speculated before), they may want Sony to start slimming down.
new Midnights Edge, what a happy day!
as a Spider-Man fan (but not a fan of Venom), I'm going to wait and see how Spider-Man Homecoming is first, then we'll see. I just hope that they won't wimp out and make him an "anti-hero" (as if such a thing exists), and just make him an entertaining villain.
WAAAAHHHHHHHYYYYYY!?!!? X'( Why would you want to rush and screw up Venom... AGAIN!??!
I feel like perhaps the Jackal/Clone Conspiracy story arc could be utilised to fix the issue if both Sony and MCU wanted to have the character in their separate universe's, taking the story in separate directions. I am a HUGE Scarlet Spider fan so I would LOVE to have the Scarlet Spider in the MCU. - I know it's never gonna happen but damn I want it to so bad! - I just feel like if Sony weren't so greedy/impatient there are SOOOOO many spiderman related spin off characters that could get solo films/franchises later down the line. It's understandable that Marvel don't want to do this just yet, but I am SURE they would be willing to later down the line if Sony would just play ball and be patient, especially if it was proven to be very financially lucrative to both companies!
Sorry I am ranting and raving so much, but Spiderman in MCU has, or rather had, so many expansive possibilities, before Sony started showing their true greedy impatient colours.
Spiderman 2099
Scarlet Spider
Agent Venom
Iron Spider (in the cartoons Iron Spider is Amadeus Cho, a completely separate character)
Miles Morales Spiderman
Wow! It's almost as if Sony Pictures has no idea what to do with itself or the IPs they own the rights to...
If the good scenario is true, it will probably be revealed at D23 which is a week before Comic Con.
Didn't Spider-Man get his black suit when he was a teenager? The Spectacular-Spider-Man animated show did a great job with Vemon with its teenage Spider-Man.
I have to disagree slightly that venom should be for an older spider-man. Ultimate spider-man comics and spectacular Spider-Man animated series did a great job pairing a younger spider-man against venom with two different, yet effective approaches. However I would understand delaying the character to for a spider-man film that features the sinister six, I think that is a situation where a DC approach of introducing characters not established in previous films, might actually be more effective.
Sounds like Feige waiting to see how Spiderman solo movies do. Like the deal is contingent upon its box office
Amy Pascal had another Amy Pascal moment.
There, done. :)
Sony counting chickens while trying to keep their eggs from cracking on the floor.
I think its great to have Sony's Venom in the MCU. It would feel less lawyer convoluted.
I'd prefer if Marvel just take Spiderman and Venom away from Sony instead, but what can you do.
SimplyMasonZero I hope Kevin & Marvel Studios are able to get involved with Venom. Saving him from Sony and giving us the movie and character we always wanted.
Patiently waiting for the video on Han Solo directors leaving a project after weeks of shooting.
Until I hear it from Kevin Frog e's mouth or until we hear that Marvel is producing Venom I'm not gonna believe any of this
I want both Venom AND Carnage (as I am a HUGE Carnage fan) to be in the MCU, but NOT if Sony is making them. 'Maybe' if it were a Spiderman: Homecoming situation where Marvel was basically making all the creative decisions and it was a well thought out plot that fit into the MCU then maybe they could make it alongside Sony, however Sony making it on their own would make me completely disinterested, whether or not it was supposedly in the MCU as I have ZERO faith in Sony making a Venom/Carnage film faithful to the characters. I feel like the third in this Homecoming trillogy could be Sinister Six leading Spiderman to be overwhelmed and having to rely on the Black Symbiote suit, with the ending of the film hinting at the fact that he's starting to become a darker Spiderman.
Then Spiderman 4 can be him battling with inner demons/tearing the suit off and it latching onto Eddie Brock and becoming Venom and then Spiderman 5 being Carnage (maybe having Venom start to become more of an anti hero than a villain, helping Spiderman fight Venom, leading to Spiderman 6 a HUGE Spiderman MCU level event like Maximum Carnage (based on the comics, but with a few changes) in which we could see Venom becoming Anti-Venom in order to cure all the Carnage infected people! - Just an idea ;) :P - Although I also REALLY want eventually Peter Parker to pass the mantle of Spiderman over to Miles Morales in the MCU - I would LOVE to see Miles Morales as the MCU Spiderman later down the line! -
Perhaps an alternative route would be to have Peter Parker being overwhelmed by the Sinister Six (led by Otto Octavious) and after spending most the film fighting valliantly defeating them but being too badly injured in the process and succumbing to his wounds, leading to the introduction of Miles Morales and his guilt over not helping when he could have and having him take up the mantle as he did in the Ultimate comics.
The MCU would ruin Carnage and probably base the character off of that garbage Ultimate version. I trust Sony more than I would trust Marvel with that character. Venom in Spider-Man 3 was more Raimi's fault than it was Sony's since Raimi didn't even want the character and symbiote in that movie in the first place.
Venom can't be a Threat to much of Spidey's other than his aunt as he has nothing worth threatening - besides Venom is more interesting as an anti-hero than a villain.
"Sadly for the fans, it is not Netflix, but bomb-factory Sony Pictures that hold the keys to Spiderman" LOL savage.
I wouldn't trust Rothman OR Pascal to stock a shelf in a supermarket. How anyone can put millions of dollars on the line based on their decision making capability is completely beyond me.
Trankgate part 5!
Daniel Scott Yeah, now its getting closer.
Midnight's Edge Wait there's a new video coming out for Trankgate I thought it was over.
My brother-in -law is a huge fan of venom im just worried because i want spiderman in the mcu
Marvel earned their cinematic universe over many years. Some recent movies like the Mummy have been so blatant and cynical in trying to do the same and failed because of it. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail with Spiderman. However, I doubt it.
It would be much better if Spider-Man was fully back at Marvel and as far away from Sony as can be.
I really agree with you that Venom/Carnage should be held off on until Peter is older. But Marvel and Sony are both on a huge kick that "SpIdEr-MaN iS aBoUt YoUtH!" so I doubt we'll see adult Peter Parker again any time soon.
Thanks for your good videos. Personally I fear that Sony will go down the bad scenario. Havn't exactly impressed me.
I think Pascal was telling the truth, but might've said it to early and that's why Feige looked awkward during the interview.
I also think that Venom will be treated like the Netflix shows. It will be in the MCU, but it will also have a darker tone and will only drop subtle references to the Marvel films every now and then (Aside from Spider-Man).
I could see that being the case. The release date I could see being pushed back, after the final details of the deal are negotiated.
Hey Love your work! was curious if you were going to do a Wonder Woman review?
The movie didn't open in my part of the world until this weekend, and I fear the boat has gone for a review in this day and age. I will let you know my opinion of it in the next DC video though.
(Spoiler: I loved it).
Regarding Venom versus Adult Spider-man --- Spider-man is going to be continually rebooted because the cycle is to introduce a Peter Parker High School males can identify with. Since Tom Holland has at most three movies, the third Movie will be young adult Peter Parker versus Venom, at the earliest 2021. Or Venom will have to face of with Highschool Spiderman.
Fucking "Glass Ceiling!" There was that one flick that was part of the New Hollywood movement that cost millions upon millions and bombed out... but Midnight's Edge, has there been any one passion project which has done even more damage that "Glass Ceiling" as one of the suits keeps chasing their dream movie in one form or another? Has there been one which has done damage even comparable?
*facepalm* Goddammit, Sony........
Wait! They are rushing a Venom movie in a year in a stupid attempt to use it as leverage against Marvel? What if it bombs?
A low budget, R-rated Venom movie, probably isn't that big a job. Same as Deadpool 2, which just started shooting, and we're much closer to its release than Venom's.
Pretty much decided that i will not support any Spider-Man project that Marvel is not directly involved in, and i will infact not support any Sony-movie.
What is with that photo? It looks like two parents watching their kid do something embarrassing and they both realized that was the best their kid will ever achieve.
I think they are connected. Thinking about, Pascal would get sued in a heartbeat if she made a claim like that.
I refuse to give Amy Pascal the credit of believing she has any idea what the MCU is... in her mind it's marvel so it has to be in the MCU.
Anyone have a link to the interview with Feige and Pascal?
Are you guys doing a video on Ron Howard taking over for the Han Solo movie?
Of course.